Okay
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
sand goblet
I mean, are you trying to tell me you can't argue against someone's point if they came in after yours?
oak tangle
No
sand goblet
that's what it sounds like
oak tangle
No, not at all
sand goblet
this is getting too meta to be useful, honestly
oak tangle
Haha
plucky ridge
I think the point is you can play devil's advocate, but don't get hurt about it if you chose that position
oak tangle
It's my honest opinion that I think that tech journalist should not be sloppy in their reporting
And that they at least should know something about how tech and/or measurements work
oak tangle
And, that was why I made my original comment
So, when I made my first comment, I wasn't arguing against you, I was remarking that the quality of tech journalism displayed here was sub-par by pointing out a really bad way of comparing temperatures in Celsius
sand goblet
I'm kind of lost at this point
oak tangle
I'm not sure why
Article uses percentages to compare degrees Celsius; Ves remarks that's stupid.
sand goblet
Yeah I'm still thinking of how to put that into words
oak tangle
That's how the conversation started
oak tangle
So, what was my point? That I think this is sloppy journalism
sand goblet
do you disagree that journalism intended for the masses should use terminology that most people understand?
oak tangle
Sure and it's perfectly possible to do that here without using incorrect percentages
sand goblet
linear charts? maybe
it would be very difficult to otherwise show a relationship in rise without a percentage
plucky ridge
Two bar graphs side by side
This one got this hot while running x program
That one got this hot while running x program
Boom
Comparable and easy
oak tangle
I don't even think you need those
sand goblet
if you're not going to have a percentage then it would be useful to give the user some idea of how much hotter whatever they currently use would run on a 4
oak tangle
The important message here is that the RPi4, under full load, runs much hotter and at such a temperature that the device needs to engage a protective measure (throttling)
80% is just an arbitrary number that doesn't mean anything and doesn't even tell you if it's bad
So, instead of sloppy reporting, do it right
sand goblet
yeah, which they did say before the percentages
oak tangle
I'm not arguing against that
I'm just saying that the percentages here are really sloppy
And I expect tech journalists to know that
Or at least the editor
sand goblet
really the problem I have here is like
if you were doing a percentage based on absolute zero
it would be.. well, a very small percentage, wouldn't it
oak tangle
I'm not saying that you should do that either
sand goblet
yeah I know
plucky ridge
The point here is
sand goblet
I just can't think of another way, short of providing some formula that most people wouldn't bother or be able to solve anyway, to give people some idea of how much hotter their current workload might run on a 4
plucky ridge
Chaaaaarrrrrrrtttttssssss
oak tangle
Just state that it will run 50 degrees celsius hotter, well above what's considered a normal running temperature
sand goblet
that wouldn't be true though
oak tangle
I mean, a journalist should know how to express themselves and it's really not that hard to avoid incorrect statistics here
Well, just report the temperature differnces then and interpret them
I'm not a RPi4 expert, so the terms I used may not be technically correct, but I gave it as an example
plucky ridge
"At this temperature, you can fry an egg. At this one, you can't."
"If you touched the board at this temperature, you're more likely to cry than you would if you touched the other board at its temperature"
sand goblet
I'm posing that some kind of percentage is the most user friendly way to express the likely change based on the temp the user has already observed
plucky ridge
More friendly than seeing that one bar is higher than another?
sand goblet
Not unless you can put your own temp into the chart
sand goblet
In a textual article though?
plucky ridge
They had a picture
sand goblet
Bearing in mind most articles aren't interactive
sand goblet
Well let's say your chart showed a 20 degree difference when idling between the two models
Unless your temperature is the same or close to the temp shown in the 3B chart, the rise based on your temp won't be 20 degrees
That might be a good enough estimate for some uses though, I suppose
plucky ridge
The lowest temps aren't the trouble makers though
And honestly, your base line idle, and a program that maxes out the cards are enough
So 4 total bars
Boom
Done
And a little like
Icon of fire or a line showing where throttling starts
sand goblet
Hmm, maybe
sand goblet
I wonder if any of you guys remember that guy that was going on about KaiOS here
well I guess it's at least picking up a bit of steam
wet steppe
is that allowed
wet steppe
wtf
robust sierra
wat
robust sierra
when did they switch to soviet logo?
robust sierra
o
vestal briar
๐ค
sand goblet
vestal briar
Fucking weird
wet steppe
oh yeah such a good movie
sand goblet
I trolled them so hard.
I had to field these denials pretty regularly on the Mozilla discussion groups; there was one guy in particular who posted long screeds every couple of weeks accusing us of being Nazis because of the logo. I'm not sure he really understood World War II, but hey.
the interesting thing is the director told the main actor to invent a back story
which never gets told in the film
sand goblet
Looks like around 1998
wet steppe
hmm
didn't know about this
I should read about history of Mozilla IDK what their story is
sand goblet
Don't forget, cookies are only cookies because there was a bakery below the netscape offices that they got cookies from every morning, and they couldn't think of a better name
vestal briar
Huh
sand goblet
Source: Chatted in person with the original founder
vestal briar
And hyper text transfer protocol is only named that because it is a hyper text transfer protocol
sand goblet
Well, it's a transfer protocol for hypertext, yep
sand goblet
Don't forget that links were also called hyperlinks
vestal briar
Yep
First website on the internet is weird
It is advertising what http is
Wow look a link
Heh they used CamelCase for html
sand goblet
They did, yeah
vestal briar
What is HyperText
Hypertext is text which is not constrained to be linear.
Hypertext is text which contains links to other texts. The term was coined by Ted Nelson around 1965 (see History ).
HyperMedia is a term used for hypertext which is not constrained to be text: it can include graphics, video and sound , for example. Apparently Ted Nelson was the first to use this term too.
Hypertext and HyperMedia are concepts, not products.
See also:
A list of terms used in hypertext litterature.
Conferences
Commercial (and academic) products
A newsgroup on hypertext, "alt.hypertext" .
WorldWideWeb is a project which uses hypertext concepts.
Standards . ```It's just a fun little website advertising what most people in this world take for granted now
Only a quarter century ago
wet steppe
what do these bois actually do? https://www.w3.org/
sand goblet
it's an international community where Member organizations, a full-time staff, and the public work together to develop Web standards.
sand goblet
yeah
sand goblet
it is, yeah
frosty berry
about everything about the web, yeah
frosty berry
yeah, js is a notable exception
webrtc, svg, html, css, etc are on them on the other hand
wet steppe
SVG is nice
sand goblet
I wish we'd get that image format that rises in quality the more of it you load
frosty berry
hm, apparently websocket got outsourced to whatwg
sand goblet
instead of loading rows of pixels
sand goblet
no, not that
frosty berry
that did sound a lot like that though ๐
frosty berry
sand goblet
No, no, that's still loading rows
wet steppe
Note that iPhone Safari and Internet Explorer do not support progressive view.apple why
wet steppe
it looks cool how the FLIF loads
sand goblet
FLIF also has some interesting use cases in mind
like for example, your phone can stop loading an image once it's at the highest resolution your device can handle
sand goblet
yeah but you get my point
for responsive web design you often won't need the browser to download the whole file
wet steppe
would be good for loading time yeah
sand goblet
frosty berry
https://bellard.org/bpg/ is also a nice image format, it has a fast javascript implementation in the browser so you can use it directly
doesn't seem to load progressively though, but it's much smaller than jpeg for similar quality
(or much better quality for similar size, take your pick)
frosty berry
yeah, he's a monster
wet steppe
he made his own emacs clone wow https://bellard.org/qemacs/
frosty berry
he made QEMU, and a javascript PC emulator that could run linux, and his own tiny c compiler, and also broke a longest pi approximation on a $3000 pc budget (using the algo he had designed to do that)โฆ and so many things
and recently a javascript compiler that passes the latest specification of javascript, and can produce binaries from it
oh yeah, and he started ffmpeg also
frosty berry
interresting
sand goblet
although as it states
BPG makes no claims about progressive decoding, but trying to decode an incomplete file does sometimes work.
wet steppe
RGBA is like Canon Raw ?
frosty berry
no, raw is bigger again i think, it stores more info about the light
rgba is usually what your gpu sees in the end, it's a stream of 32bit values, one per pixel (8 bit per channel) usually
frosty berry
@sand goblet yeah that doesn't seem to be part of the design's aim
sand goblet
yeah
frosty berry
@sand goblet the gpu does blending
sand goblet
Ah right
frosty berry
it probably sends rgb to the screen though, not much sense in sending the alpha channel
sand goblet
right, right
frosty berry
unless it makes more sense to send it all without conversion, and let the screen drop it, i don't know ๐
brisk compass
internet: this is how u do this code
me: does it
me: doesn't work.
internet:
internet: do it again
internet sais importing variables is easy but it just doesn't work
wet steppe
๐
brisk compass
yes
gentle moss
everyone fucking called it
the point was the comment isn't funny because we're going to have a self serving moron for PM
gentle moss
some are way worse than others
our prime minister makes more money by writing articles for the telegraph than doing his job as PM
ยฃ270k a year
was it the telegraph? whatever.
rough sapphire
wow.. that's a nice chunk of change
gentle moss
only gets ยฃ160k for being PM, iirc.
that's uhh....
not cool.
especially when that newspaper has been promoting him in politics while he's been working there
pretty skeevy
rough sapphire
I'm sure people don't read the telegraph all that much anyway..
are you sure it's just 160k.... I thought May was on course for a mil this year.
gentle moss
The Prime Minister is paid ยฃ150,402 a year. This includes the basic salary for a member of parliament which is currently ยฃ74,962
so MP salary + bonus
rough sapphire
plus all the extras
gentle moss
house to live in, driven around, etc
rough sapphire
like a house, etc.
whereas the majority of the people the represent struggle aorund on 30k a year.... others even less
gentle moss
yes
i think average household income is like ยฃ26k?
ยฃ28k
so he's making ยฃ270k writing an article every few months
and ยฃ75k for being an MP
now he'll get another ยฃ75k on top
oak tangle
Our prime minister earns โฌ 165.916 this year, including end-of-year bonus
gentle moss
i think the fact he makes a quarter of a million a year from a newspaper while being a member of parliament
is a bit...
fucked up.
even more so when he's PM
oak tangle
So, instead of the PM controlling the press, it's the press who've bought the PM?
wet steppe
@gentle moss he works in london
so the relevant number is the london average which is ยฃ33k
gentle moss
yeah kinda ves
huge difference apex _
damn it
i need to fix my keyboard, can't do my sarcastic eyes anymore
:(
wet steppe
28 to 33 is fairly big
wet steppe
didn't know writer pays that well
gentle moss
it usually doesn't
but he's embedded in the Tory party
and an MP
and was a minister
wet steppe
I understand George Osb. being paid a lot cos he head editor
wet steppe
hmm yeah
warm valley
@plucky ridge Hello mate, If you've got nothing to do, would it be possible to get a starify on myself again ๐ ?
royal lakeBOT
warm valley
YESSS
wet steppe
nice
plucky ridge
Went with 1 minute this time in case it turned out to be one you didn't like
wet steppe
now u got another infraction lmao
warm valley
Yes mate, 2 infractions, 2x less chance to ever become a staff
plucky ridge
!user
royal lakeBOT
rough sapphire
I have 3.. maybe some day you'll learn how to play in the big leagues with us bad boys
warm valley
Mr hemlock, you been naughty?
rough sapphire
Bad boys bad boys
plucky ridge
I'm pretty sure one of them is Lemon saying I'm too handsome
plucky ridge
Admins and some of our core folks have it. It's for the vital parts of the site and bot that we need to make sure get done right
Which is why I only have it because I'm an admin
-self zing-
wet steppe
its different from Contributor role?
warm valley
vapid bluff
dont listen to the lies mr hemlock is a serial meme spammer
wet steppe
dont listen to the lies mr hemlock is a serial meme spammer
vapid bluff
eventually he worked his way up to admin and hid traces of the spam
jagged fog
oh cool command
vapid bluff
apex what the hell
plucky ridge
I do typically speak mostly in .gif responses in the staff channels, yes
vapid bluff
thats like the 4th time youve repeated something ive said right as ive said it
self bot?
it usually involves mr hemlock too
hemlock
plucky ridge
Yeah I've been wondering that as well
vapid bluff
hemlock hemlock
plucky ridge
It's like instant too
wet steppe
have you heard of our Lord and Saviour Cntrl+C Cntrl+V
plucky ridge
vapid bluff
dude are you like watching and waiting for me to post
wet steppe
๐
vapid bluff
cause thats creepy just come up and say hi instead of staring from a distance
warm valley
What does this lord and saviour do @wet steppe?
vapid bluff
we can go out sometime
but i gotta tell you im not cheap
and youll have to pay for dinner
at least maybe the first few dates
then we can slow work towards 50:50
wet steppe
1:99
warm valley
I got 99 problems and paying is all of them
wet steppe
^
warm valley
when you're part of BinGang, you can't afford to pay
wet steppe
YES BinGang
wet steppe
awesome
warm valley
do you think we make it?
vapid bluff
woo-oooah, we're half way there
wooo-oooah, bin's too small to share
move your hand
or ill bite you and swear
wooo-ah, bin's too small to share
warm valley
.
that was impressive
I'm amazed
now I feel the urge to change my name to Bin Jovi
robust sierra
@warm valley can i be bingang too
warm valley
Everyone can be bingang
robust sierra
ayy
warm valley
but I aint making a new picture ๐
vapid bluff
you know those costumes kanye and whatshisface wore in that music video
whatsitcalled
vapid bluff
lm fucking ao
warm valley
I only know of one lord and saviour, and that is (ctrl+c, ctrl+v)
warm valley
@plucky ridge look what you've caused ๐
rough sapphire
how many do you have
robust sierra
hehe
rough sapphire
o.o
plucky ridge
Unsure of how I'm to blame for this
warm valley
you're not to blame, sorry ๐
plucky ridge
To be fair most of his stuff is old
rough sapphire
9
plucky ridge
But again, they're old and he's been behaving himself quite well as of late
warm valley
thats the most important thing, live and learn
torn ridge
i have none!! surprisingly
plucky ridge
Absolutely. I'd rather people shape up and we continue to grow as a community
sand goblet
always satisfying to docker system prune -a
vestal briar
Ooh
wet steppe
Ooh yeah
vestal briar
Oooooh yeah that's the spot
wet steppe
Ooooooooooo
vestal briar
Oh yeah that's it
wet steppe
YEEEET
robust sierra
when was the last time lemon used his ban hammer?
vapid bluff
plucky ridge
Oh yeah... he'll be back tomorrow, potentially
vestal briar
Christ these are cringefest
plucky ridge
Bleh
tame terrace
@robust sierra to answer your question, the last time I banned someone was yesterday at 10 AM
wet steppe
is it possible to hide in a bin to avoid ban
rough sapphire
is anyone familiar with YouTube RSS feeds?
robust sierra
Out of interest from #python-discussion, what kind of programs do you read? @pine vector
warm valley
@wet steppe Mate, bingang avoids the bangang
robust sierra
^
vapid bluff
petition to add another version of 
but it's bon jovi
called ban jovi
could be holding a banjo
warm valley
The name's
Jovi...
Ban bin bon jovi
wet steppe
nice
vapid bluff
thats what they call him round some parts
bun jovi, who's a baker in an alternate universe
sadly his singing career never took off
pine vector
@robust sierra a lot of times, its usually something along the lines of a tool/library I'm using. Usually a mix between docs and source. Latest forray was Ansible source...
vestal briar
It takes me a bit to read functions if I have no experiance in the related field
rough sapphire
it takes me a bit to read anything
vestal briar
If it is flask or discord.py or python in general or some rust, I am pretty fast now
Something snapped, it took twice as long a couple months ago
rough sapphire
i think i need to get into the habit of trying to read code in like sections rather than reading every line and moving onto the next line
vestal briar
Yeah
It's just annoying if you are reading a POS structure
Lemme get the worst and shortest code I have ever read in my life
rough sapphire
pulls up my code
vestal briar
struct JavaVM_ {
//stuff
const struct JNIInvokeInterface_ *functions;
//stuff
}
struct JNIInvokeInterface_ {
//stuff
jint (JNICALL *GetEnv)(JavaVM *vm, void **penv, jint version);
//stuff
}
JavaVM_* vm;```This is some anchaint java c++ binding thing
rough sapphire
wow looks like theres... stuff happening?
rough sapphire
the uh //stuff is very useful
rough sapphire
that was me in my GCSEs when i was forced to comment on everYTHGIN
vestal briar
Christ
My commenting style is no inline unless strictly nessesary
Just short functions with long docstrings
short functions with no comments is just engineered malware
rough sapphire
print("Hello World!") #prints out the statement "Hello World" to console
word = "test" #sets "test" to variable word
guess = input("Guess the word!") #asks the use to input a word and sets it to variable guess
if guess == word: #if variable guess is equal to variable word
print("YOU GOT IT!")#prints out the statement "YOU GOT IT!" to console
else: #if variable guess is not equal to variable word
print("try again")#prints out the statement "try again" to console```writing code in something that wasnt designed to have code written in is hard 
that took way too long
vestal briar
๐ค
print("Hello World!")
if input("Guess the word!") == "test":
print("YOU GOT IT!")
else:
print("try again")```That's how i'd structure it
Seeing as nothing is used twice so no vars needed
rough sapphire
i always assign inputs to variables idk why
vestal briar
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rough sapphire
regardless if im even going to use it ever
vestal briar
I don't unless they are used twice or it makes code ugly
rough sapphire
for me i find it makes it look nicer but harder to read from someone elses perspective
vestal briar
Yeah
I am working on a rewrite for a little rust crate
Only problem is it is not working when you pass right inputs
rough sapphire
I dont know anything about rust
tired osprey
Rust -> nix
rough sapphire
@vestal briar wanna see some real bad code that when reading through is hard to understand what the fuck is going on...?
vestal briar
Nope
tired osprey
Aw no rust is bad talk then
vestal briar
I am trying to make my tests nicer for rust
rough sapphire
okay then 
vestal briar
@tired osprey How me return &str error for Result<T, E>
tired osprey
The static lifetime owen
rough sapphire
i never said rust is bad?
tired osprey
&'static
rough sapphire
oh
vestal briar
Oh
tired osprey
Uhu
vestal briar
It has to have '?
tired osprey
That's the life time
vestal briar
I thought rls was bugging out with it
rough sapphire
i menat "know" instead of like
vestal briar
Ah
rough sapphire
im just really fucking stupid apparently
tired osprey
The full syntax is &'static var_name
vestal briar
I should really do chapter 10
tired osprey
If you're like really bored you could also do manual life times
tired osprey
Who knows
vestal briar
I am rewriting from scratch and I now feel like I know what I am doing
lime jewel
I will say some kids are stubborn. Some kids have self esteem issues and being shut down about an aspect of programming might be enough for them to shut down themselves on programming in general
sand goblet
yeah, you're right about that
everyone's situation is unique and it's best not to take a risk there
lime jewel
(Speaking as someone who shut down on art even without someone else criticizing me lol)
sand goblet
art is hard as heck
rough sapphire
^ like theres not much this is right/this is wrong - theeres common practice but a lot of it is just up to the artist
lime jewel
Yeah. Especially when you donโt draw anything from the years of 5 to???? 16? 17?
rough sapphire
ive always been annoyed cus im creative as fuck like theres so much going on in my brain but i cant. put. it. on. the. paper.
sand goblet
yeah, that's the problem I have too
rough sapphire
it wont come out right and it doesnt look good
sand goblet
however I have no real like
I don't want to be an artist lol
I wouldn't enjoy it if I was good at it
rough sapphire
yeah same i just would like to be able to doodle
sand goblet
I do enjoy web design, but I have the same problem there - I often can't translate my thoughts into CSS
good thing we have CSS frameworks
lime jewel
Have u ever gone back to look at art u did a while ago riot?
rough sapphire
??
lime jewel
The reason I ask is whenever I draw. It like physically repulses me I feel like I canโt make it look good and I hate it
btu every time Iโve looked through art Iโve drawn in the past Iโm actually fairly happy with a lot of it
rough sapphire
image spam imcoming
and by spam i mean like another 2 pictures
this is some of the "art" (as well as some image editing) that ive done that i still hate
lime jewel
I rlly like them!
rough sapphire
theyre ugly
lime jewel
Im at work rn so I canโt say a whole lot sorry
The brain is a rlly cool design. Anytime I try to do something along those lines I end up over complicating it and cluttering it. But I rlly appreciate your use of white space in it
the neon sign looking one is rlly cool. Howโd you do that one? :D
rough sapphire
a lot of blur effects
as well as adjusting transparency and adding layer masks
most of it was just editing
lime jewel
same with the.. leather? Looks kinda like leather or smth. The lighting keeps it interesting but itโs simplistic enough to easily grab the eye
rough sapphire
yeah same with the leather - that was a lot simpler than the neon
i just wrote riot in text - adjsuted the transparency so that it looked dark enough that it looked sunken in - then i selected the outlines of the text and added some blacks and whites
sand goblet
I haven't done much - if any - art or logo design
I've actually only ever made one logo I've been happy with tbh
rough sapphire
i use gimp
sand goblet
I needed a vector, so inkscape was my only option really
rough sapphire
i dont know anything about art so i dont really know what a vector is - ive heard of it before but
sand goblet
well when you work with something like gimp, what you have is a raster image
it's an image where each pixel is defined directly in the file somehow
a vector image is defined using math instead
rough sapphire
i like maths 
sand goblet
because of this, they're usually infinitely scalable too
hence, we have SVG
scalable vector graphics
rough sapphire
ahh
sand goblet
there's no pixellation because the file isn't an image, it's instructions on how to render an image
for example
if you download the SVG for the M in the logo and open it in a text editor
it's a really neat way to do it
i still dont understand why these flags are here
sand goblet
Most recent seasonal event was LGBT pride month
rough sapphire
ahhh
sand goblet
A new season with new emoji hasn't come in yet
Inkscape isn't like any editor you've used, if you don't know vector
It takes some getting used to
rough sapphire
rough sapphire
my life moto is wing it until something breaks and then learn it
frosty berry
inkscape is cool
i broke it though, dunno if they fixed it ๐ i just reported the bug and it came from a library they had vendored in a decade ago and never updated ๐
hopefully they got ride of that version and linked to the updated version instead
sand goblet
You'd hope so
rough sapphire
everything seems pretty normal?
frosty berry
good night!
rough sapphire
the lines are really smooth
ebon tree
idk how many times i visited stackoverflow and i have never visited the homepage https://stackoverflow.com/index.php
ye gods my plans have been foiled
frosty berry
stackoverflow is a dot net website, so this .php is highly suspicious anyway
funny, i get 10h elevator music here, not what the preview showed
rough sapphire
yeah i get trololol for 10 hours when i open the link but in discord i get bubble guppies for 10 hours
I was today years old, when I saw the main welcome page of stackoverflow
ah it changes each time
clever
rough sapphire
Iโm trying to apply for a job and my internet just went down
It wasnโt meant to be
i never know what to say when they say "expected pay"
like i dont know ive only ever had one proper job at the moment
id work for free tbh man im desperate
put Yes:P
expected pay: Yes, please.
I put ยฃ6
Which is below what they put on the advertising page but tbh I donโt mind earning ยฃ6
Iโd be pretty happy with that considering I donโt really have a house to pay for any bills etc
Because somehow I have a feeling โPLEASE PAY MEโ might be off putting 
What the fuck
Oh lord
What is that
Kill it
vestal briar
Inkscape is awesome
I use it as my main thing for photos apart from if I am trying to edit pixels directly
Like adding text or something over is a job for inkscape ๐
rough sapphire
The lines are so SMOOTH
timid latch
plucky ridge
Riot it's weirder on my screen because his face is cut in half
rough sapphire
Why is his face cut in half
bronze shuttle
Screen size and line wrap probably
coral void
_ _
rough sapphire
That somehow looks more put together than on my screen
Oh my screen he has massive lines between his eyes
timid latch
rough sapphire
bronze shuttle
rough sapphire
Oh dear
rough sapphire
I donโt know who this man is but I want to know why he is so comfortable with having people mangle his face in emojis
coral void
_ _[shift-enter]
rough sapphire
@coral void ??
timid latch
__
coral void
underscore, space, underscore, shift-enter, then put it in there
gives you a bare line
timid latch
half spoke
@rough sapphire for pay, you either put what you expect, or put "scale" if you dont care
historically it was so people could weed out jobs that didnt pay enough but with how the conomy is now thats not an option
rough sapphire
he's a full time viking..
who programs in his parttime while he not pillaging villages in the arctic..
timid latch
๐
rough sapphire
Has the servers icon changed or am I going insane
bronze shuttle
If you're talking about this icon it changes everday.
rough sapphire
Oh okay good Iโm not insane
bronze shuttle
Oh I wouldnโt rule it out yet we could both be insane.
rough sapphire
Thereโs most likely a high probability of that being true
I canโt sleep and Iโm tempted to just hop on my computer and start coding again
Before I couldnโt find motivation now I canโt stop
frosty berry
expected pay: try something bigger that what you earn currently ๐ if you are not desperate for a job right now, you can try significantly more (and do some market research to know how much people in similar jobs in your area are paid, to ask above median), if you are, probably put somewhere around the minimum you could get by. It depends a lot on your situation. It depends on the job.
rough sapphire
I earn nothing currently - not consistently anyway
so any money would be REAL GREAT
expected pay : yes
frosty berry
glassdoor can be a way to know what people in the company are usually paid for similar positions too
which is one of the best datapoint you could have
applying for a dev job?
rough sapphire
no 
i just need a job
any job - ive applied at a bike shop
im also waiting to hear back from a couple retail stores
i got rejected my mcdonaldsthe other day so my expectations are low
frosty berry
๐ฆ
if you are there, you probably have some dev knowledge, did you try for entry-level jobs in that?
rough sapphire
i dont think id even get like entry level tbh i really need to start committing - my "4 years of coding experience" translates to the skill level of someone whos been really trying for about 3 months
frosty berry
Are you sure you are that bad? It's not uncommons for devs to only see their flaws
rough sapphire
I mean i think so - i also have a lot of "bad practices"
frosty berry
Do you have any personnal project to show? Don't worry, a lot of people show aweful code and are doing fine
rough sapphire
https://pastebin.com/PXiaVUGJ heres the biggest project ive done recently - its not fully finished yet and i also havent commented anything cus im an idiot
frosty berry
It's never too late to fix things, and i'm sure you learned things, whever you learned the good way or the bad way, you have something to compare to
rough sapphire
I think an issue i have is - if learning something looks complicated - i will find the LONGEST work around to avoid it
it wasnt until my late 3rd year of learning python that i started learning classes cus i was so scared of them
frosty berry
Ok, you certainly need a mentor to teach you how to organise code
rough sapphire
oh god yeah i just shove things everywhere
frosty berry
Yeah, don't do that, learning new things is usually easier and more fun than it looks
rough sapphire
it probably doesnt help that when i was taught python in school - it was kinda by someone who clearly didnt really know what they were doing
yeah ive started learning classes - ive also started learning databases recently
frosty berry
Anyway, it's not a flaw, you can definitely remedy that, even on the job if you find one where they are ready to mentor, considering the high demand in some place, and since you are going to start cheap for them, it's plausible
Learn git, put your thing on github, start refactoring to use shorter functions, named well, then classes, your code will get better
rough sapphire
im trying to install git and its asking me about a text editor but when i select Sublime it wont let me hit next
rough sapphire
I made a thing
i dont know what to do with it but it has files in it 
oh god im confused again he's talking about branches
i dont like trees
Iโm way too sleep deprived to be learning new things I need a nap 
sand goblet
ugh, yes. Server folders.
rough sapphire
I imagine that if a server goes in there.. people would rarely be inclined to go back
sand goblet
Nah, I'm grouping them
rough sapphire
that's what they all say too
sand goblet
you realise that some of these servers are my servers
vestal briar
Is that some of the canary features?
sand goblet
I'm on stable
but I noticed it this morning in the android alpha
and now I have it on stable too
half spoke
hmmm i dont have it yet
sand goblet
there are also blockquotes
gonna be using the heck out of that
I think this may be in wide access on canary? but I have no idea
sand goblet
sand goblet
sand goblet
not sure, haven't got one
wet steppe
Want
bleak lintel
perfect
wet steppe
Plex
wet steppe
Can u put more than 4
sand goblet
yes
wet steppe
Discord is killing my phone battery ๐ ๐ ๐
rough sapphire
Welcome to most applications on mobile
bleak lintel
Nah discord is particularly bad
wet steppe
Ye many apps are fine
Reddit app drains very little battery
Or IRC
FB chat WhatsApp etc
vestal briar
I don't think that it's came to ubuntu's release channel
prime aspen
How do you make toffee?
I think I massively fucked up by making caramel then add milk
sand goblet
I think it'll be Canary for wider use, yeah
I'm on stable, but I have the android beta, and I set up there
rough sapphire
There was a thing for BD that had server folders that I used to use
torn ridge
BD = dodgy as hell, AND against TOS ๐
gentle moss
bar the fact it breaks the ToS
rough sapphire
I mean I wouldnโt say itโs dodgy but yeah against TOS but shhh donโt tell anyone 
wet steppe
yeah bar the fact it breaks the ToS
sand goblet
also bar the fact that it's known for having plugins that steal your token
wet steppe
yeah I mentioned the plugin
rough sapphire
I mean donโt install dodgy plugins
I donโt use it anymore anyway
do you guys know of a place where german pythonistas hang out?
oak tangle
Online or in real life?
rough sapphire
online
wet steppe
here
rough sapphire
because my decision for my little project is to do everything in german and english so i can get help later. but its twice the work
oak tangle
Which parts do you have in multiple languages? Names, comments, and docstrings in code or end-user text?
rough sapphire
function names, variables are in english only. but the prints are in german and english, and the entire repository stuff on github too
i am still at an early stage where i could switch the wheel
turn the wheel
oak tangle
As a non-native speaker myself, I basically use English for everything, except end-user text if it's strictly intended for a Dutch audience
vestal briar
I wish I knew two languages
oak tangle
I only know one well (Dutch), one passable (English), and I can have tourist-level interactions in a couple of other languages (German, French, maybe Swedish)
vestal briar
I know english and hardly passable tourist for french and german
oak tangle
there are so many things I should implement today, but I'm really sluggish
probably the temperature
sand goblet
I'm at work and it appears that the school of english is on the football field
doing.. zumba?
it sounds like some kind of tribal chant honestly
plucky ridge
That's the dancing exercise thing, right?
sand goblet
Yeah, that's the one
wet steppe
I don't like it when people make exercise weird
sand goblet
they keep making this high pitched "ooh ooh" sound and it's driving me up the wall
plucky ridge
Could listen to music with headphones or something
Or make your own high pitched noise back at them.
plucky ridge
Just open the window and be like "YAAASSSSS QUEEN! SLAY!"
I swear that's become my like battle cry
Drives my wife nuts
wet steppe
Hemlock do you wanna join BinGang
plucky ridge
But she knew what she was getting herself into when she married me. And not in particular.
I'm too busy being a VanMan
wet steppe
oooo
wet steppe
looks... spacious
plucky ridge
That it is. I've transported full sized desks in it
And the back seats fold down, so I no longer have to deal with actually taking them out
sand goblet
They're doing it to despacito now
I'll give them a pass though since they're Spanish and all
rough sapphire
in soviet russia, you do not tell plane where to go, plane tell YOU where to go
rough sapphire
nyoom
torn ridge
Thats a nice van @plucky ridge
i used to have a toyota estima arriva, it was sooo good!
it had electric curtains, 9 seats
a cool / hotbox
plucky ridge
Niiiiiice
torn ridge
and all the seats folded down!
you could fit a double mattress in the back!
only problem, jap import so it wasnt treated for our rodes
cracked head gasket 1 year after i bought it
repair cost ยฃ1000
purchase price ยฃ800
not worth it, i was sad to see it go ๐ฆ
i limped it into a webuyanycar type dealership
and it started first time and didnt overheat ๐
got a good price LOL
rough sapphire
Citroen C8 is a pretty big motor.
lone otter
!unmute 264176309142421514
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: Un-muted @rough sapphire.
rough sapphire
lone otter
bot automuted because too many attachments were sent at once
rough sapphire
i was trying to send pictures of my car and got kicked in the face by the bot
sucks to be you...lol
im back tho
lone otter
rough sapphire
Okay well hereโs my current (and first) car, had both interior and exterior painted and changed the seats for some snazzy ones Iโm very happy with it waits for photos to send slowly this time
Itโs not finished yet so I donโt have a full pictures because the front of it is fucked cus it was second hand
@rough sapphire Looks like you are missing a wheel
I do however have my username on my plates
Yeah 
as of right now thereโs a spare wheel on, gonna get a proper wheel put on soon hopefully
Iโve named him Michael
@rough sapphire Why is it SORN'd?
it isnt? i dont think anyway unless some magic fairy did it without me knowing
cant take it out on the road and stuffs yet
but like i havent done anything to specify that
unless its standard in which case
i dont know about cars i just had a dad that works for fords so he jsut does a bunch of shit
lol
it's just not taxed, thats all
yeah i only passed my test a while ago and ive been using my dads car while mine is getting sorted out and stuff
i hate my dads car man
Fair enough ๐
looks like a nice car.
ford fiesta
apparently the mileage is good and my dad said he wanted to sell it cus it'd be in real good condition after its fixed
Yeah, the average that many of the auction places use is 10k per year.
so 30k at 4 years is below average.
My C8 is 50k at 15 years ๐คฃ
sand goblet
Ran into a dumb issue on digitalocean last night
when using kubernetes, if you want to assign a specific domain to a load balancer used for one of your pods, you have to do it by specifying the ID of the lets encrypt SSL cert for that domain
which changes whenever the cert is renewed, so now your ID points at nothing and your app goes down
good times
I solved it by switching to nginx ingress, which has allowed for a much nicer configuration anyway
gentle moss
\o/
sand goblet
now all I have is this, and it does all the SSL stuff too
@gentle moss groove armada?
I didn't realise they were rehashing their songs, but this appeared on my release radar
gentle moss
nice
sand goblet
not sure how I feel about this
lol
what the..
I can't believe they did that
what
gentle moss
oh god
gentle moss
that song, the original, can eat a dick
gentle moss
this will hapoen as it's always happened
except thanks to our collective lack of memory
and how technology is a time compressor
gentle moss
it'll happen faster and faster
sand goblet
at least this was good
gentle moss
until there are only remixes
sand goblet
you sure? I feel like it's your era!
haha what
starve Ireland, what
good fucking luck
gentle moss
yeah i mean it's not like you'll ever run out of pota---...oh.
gentle moss
Priti Patel has been made home sec if i'm not mistaken
she's been an advocate for the death penalty for ages
like a decade
vestal briar
Guess what programming orientated popular website that is used by like 1 million users per day at least has a shit ton of spaces in every 5k lines html doc
sand goblet
I'm more interested in this starving Ireland for a better deal thing
like does the UK think we can't trade on our own or something
vestal briar
Who's that?
vestal briar
Sorry dude!
gentle moss
guy who played Roy Batty in Blade Runner
vestal briar
Hauer is a knight in the Order of the Netherlands Lion since 2013.[13]
gentle moss
oh nice
sand goblet
tears in the rain
that quote was in a song of the same name
but I can't remember whose it was
gentle moss
Rutger actually improv'd that line / speech in the movie
wasn't on script for it
when Batty dies holding the dove
sand goblet
yeah
sand goblet
haha, what the fuck
sand goblet
the charade begins
the next few days is going to be quite the comedy festival, isn't it
I never use this thing but this is what the news section in my launcher has lol
plucky ridge
It's Fluttershy isn't it
plucky ridge
When I'm poorer than I already am
wet steppe
nice
gentle moss
"There are no limits to what a woman can achieve. As I have demonstrated, a woman can fuck everything up just as competently as a man can." - Tezza May
wet steppe
Thatcher kinda beat her to it
gentle moss
i think tezza's fucked it harder
wet steppe
ah thats not a horse
sand goblet
It's a humanised horse
wet steppe
oof never mind
tired osprey
what about it apart from the clothing is still horsey?
sand goblet
The fact that it matches an official design?
Although it's certainly a different artistic take lol
gentle moss
i'd say it's a drawing of a person cosplaying a horse
ish
i mean it's not even the horse, just the colour palette
i look at that picture and i'm like "that's not a horse at all."
rough sapphire
Where did those come from or are we talking about a different picture because I see a **girl/88