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half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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~~pour more milkshakes on farage tbh~~

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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America is in a bad spot in a way I guess

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Actually America is the biggest fucking joke right now

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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we have an embargo on huawei because of a trade war

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Oh I know

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Here's what I find funny

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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a dude self-immolated on whitehouse grounds and nobody cared

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:44 AM

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The Democrats lost, obviously, to trump

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Many people would say because they focused on social justice instead of policy

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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lmao

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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it's a lot more complicated than that

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like, insanely so

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Yeah obviously

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But

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Clinton could not focus less on social justice if she were an actual mummy

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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They need to start campaigning now for the new election season

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:45 AM

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clinton
social justice

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it was more that most democrats wanted bernie, and the DNC fucked him over hard

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so they just... didn't vote

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:46 AM

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So naturally they're talking about their policies and what they're going to to better and all the things they're going to fix

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In a parallel universe

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:46 AM

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how many democratic candidates are we up to now? 20?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Because in this one it's all "This is about beating trump"

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:46 AM

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They're not fixing anything beyond the implementation level, they're pulling hard to nominate another corporate democrat

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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the worst part? most people will vote for whoever they nominate because literally anything will be better than trump

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Yeah, ushering another 4 years of liberal tepidity

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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and things will not change for another few cycles because no matter how shitty a candidate "at least theyre better than trump"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I don't think hillary would have been much better

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i disagree

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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She wouldn't, that's the joke

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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They were both terrible choices

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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She would have been tepid

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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good? no. still better than trump

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I mean that's kind of debatable

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:47 AM

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at least she wasnt unknowingly a russian puppet

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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She has a brain, yeah

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That's the main difference

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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queer people wouldn't be under attack rn

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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And that brain loves war

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Exactly

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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at least she didnt leak

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what was it

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1000 troops in venezuela?

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remember that?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Sorry to be that guy but

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If we're talking about hillary and leaking

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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lmao

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I mean, really, cmon

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Haha

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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at least she wouldnt have walked out on stage

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for a completely unrelated event

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with a notepad that had a declaration of war on it

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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You're right

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I'm still scratching my head over this idea that most Democrats wanted Bernie. He didn't even come close to getting the most votes.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:49 AM

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She would have sent it by email and stored it on an insecure server

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And it would have been leaked for her

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Anyway

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I'm actually not sure how I feel about bernie

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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@solid wolf maybe not "most", but enough to kill hillary's chances

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hey! that server was totally secure!

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i mean, nobody knew it was in her bathroom

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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That is hilarious, cmon

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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/s

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Server, water

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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after years of hearings, she may be getting close to understanding what a server actually is

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Reeeeally

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Haha

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:51 AM

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i used to have a microfiber cloth with her on it, signed by the dev of bleachbit

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"like, with a cloth?"

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:51 AM

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@sand goblet He comes off like the leftist version of Trump. Strong populist messages; little policy backing it up.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:51 AM

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he seemed good at the time

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:51 AM

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I wouldn't say trump has little policy backing it up

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But that wall though

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:52 AM

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much like stupid stunts that get people killed

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as the years have gone on, it's clear he's a... what's the word?

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shit, i forgot

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:52 AM

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He's a troll

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:52 AM

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basically a capitalist that pretends to be socialist in order to placate the public

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Oh nah he's totally a capitalist

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Capitalism and socialism aren't conflicting AFAIK

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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it kills me that the entire country still calls him socialist/communist

hasty stream Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I mean y'all only voted for him -.-

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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not conflicting, but he's very clearly not a socialist

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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American politics lol

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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voted for whom?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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I didn't vote for him

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I'm in Ireland!

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Bernie calls himself a socialist, though.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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\o/

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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no matter who you mean, i guarantee i didn't vote for him

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@solid wolf and?

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:53 AM

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A capitalist can implement socialist policies, for example, we have universal health care here in Canada, implemented by capitalists. We're significantly better off than the US in that regard.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 AM

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hang on, let me find the term

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Universal health care is great

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You won't take away my medical caaaard

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 AM

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We're cartoonishly behind the times in that regard.

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And education.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist

Champagne socialist

"Champagne socialist" is a pejorative political term originating in the United Kingdom.The phrase is used to describe self-identified socialists, whose comfortable upper middle-class or "preppy" lifestyles are thought to contradict their political convictions; this is typifie...

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not what i was thinking of, but about the same

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 AM

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The fact that the US doesn't have UHC is a crime, and should instantly disqualify from nomination for any political party any person who doesn't support implementing it immediately.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Freezepop's Hypothetically starts playing in the background

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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It's part of the Democratic party platform.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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I'm not sure what Ireland has counts as UHC

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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@crisp sierra we have literal white supremacists as republican candidates lmao

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 AM

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You can get a medical card but it's means tested

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Sounds like a hell of a welfare cliff, @sand goblet

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:56 AM

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democrats: center left at best
republicans: literal fascists
far-right: straight up nazis

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Something like that

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It covers basically everything though

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@half spoke that's a slippery slope you're sitting on there

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:56 AM

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how so?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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You're taking labels which are already pretty useless and assigning them to hate groups

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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@solid wolf not really, since a lot of their candidates support private healthcare as well. for example Beto, Buttigieg

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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no no

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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How is that in any way a good idea?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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republicans are literally fascists, and the alt-right are literally, literally neo nazis

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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No, that's simply not true lol

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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why do you think that?

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and which part?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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You could say that the far left are closer to being fascists if you brought up the right examples

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The whole distinction is pointless

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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ah, delicious horseshoe theory

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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You'll have to explain that one for me lol

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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@crisp sierra Multi-payer healthcare is successful, though.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 AM

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"only centrism is correct" essentially

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"the political spectrum is a horseshoe, the far right and the far left are exactly the same"

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Single-payer isn't the only way to do UCH

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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horseshoe theory: the far left and the far right are actually the same! the left-right continuum is shaped like a horseshoe!

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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That's not what I said

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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No one says they're exactly the same.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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HAHAHAHA

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HA

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HAHA

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HA

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yes they do. constantly

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spend some time with self-identified centrists

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Yeah okay, but that isn't what I said :P

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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it's very close though

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Not even

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Spend less time on reddit and more time talking to real, actual people.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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I'm saying that there's shitty people in every aspect

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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@solid wolf i do

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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if that isn't what you said, you must've been saying that the far right doesn't tend toward fascism, which is... kind of a weird place to be

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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and i don't use reddit. like, at all

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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since that's their thing

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Whatever social media platform you're into

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Actually I was more wondering about calling republicans fascist

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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i dont use social media much

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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like, the thing that they actually like, and think is good

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 AM

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alright so, we are in a place right now, where multiple red states are creating test cases against roe v wade

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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But hey, you guys remember antifa, right?

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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What about the Mobius theory

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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fighting nazis is exactly like nazis

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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That far left group that went and rioted on the streets and beat people up for their beliefs?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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hahaha yeah, fighting nazis is fascism

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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You don't know that they're nazis though

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That's why it's a slippery slope

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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please

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give me an example

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of someone being attacked by antifa

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who is not a nazi

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:01 AM

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They're just beating up random people on the street

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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[citation needed]

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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that's not a thing

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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also requires proof that those people are antifa

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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And at the very least you can admit that rolling down a street, destroying property and looting stores doesn't count as activism

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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disagree

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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That's just gratuitous thuggery lol

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:02 AM

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in a society that places capital and property above the lives of actual human beings, destruction of property is very much a protest

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:03 AM

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"It's okay to be violent when I agree with the message" is a horrible take.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:03 AM

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It's hardly the owners of local businesses that are at fault for trying to survive in that society

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:03 AM

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thats not what i said, but okay

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nobody who is antifa is attacking mom and pop stores

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at all

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ever

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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If you say so. I personally would love to see you prove that. :P

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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you made the claim :P

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Enki, you made a claim, too

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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which one?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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It might go against whatever ideal an organisation claims to have

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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nobody who is antifa is attacking mom and pop stores

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That's an assertion.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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a claim made without evidence can be refuted without evidence

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:04 AM

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But that doesn't matter if the people don't follow the ideals

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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"i'm a christian. i worship satan and burn churches, but i'm totally a christian"

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actions speak louder than words

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Haha, I know what you're trying to say, but that is basically what happens

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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I've got to say, you've got an obsession with labels and purity testing that I flat-out find unhelpful.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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You ever hear of the Murphy report?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:05 AM

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are

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are you seriously claiming that using labels

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in a society, built on labels

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is bad?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I'm guessing not then

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 AM

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correct

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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It was a report into the actions of the Catholic Church in Ireland a while ago

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I'm more concerned with people like this
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/kkk-charlottesville-richard-preston.html
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charlottesville-charges-20181002-story.html
https://gizmodo.com/posterboy-for-alt-right-violence-jailed-1798442835
i.e., actual fascists, who are in actual jails right now for beating people in the streets
than somebody who broke a pane of glass

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I'm telling you that the way you obsess over labels and what groups people "really" belong to is unhelpful. Blanket classifications like that strip all of the nuance from the discussion.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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^

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alright, but when you go "ALL ANTIFA BAD BECAUSE OF ONE PERSON"

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you have to use labels as a defense

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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No one did that.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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gdude did

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 AM

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He did not.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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"It's hardly the owners of local businesses that are at fault for trying to survive in that society"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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The Murphy report basically officially exposed decades of child abuse by clergy members in Ireland

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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gdude claimed that antifa are destroying mom and pop shops

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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They're not the ideals that Catholicism teaches

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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with no proof

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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But they're still considered catholics

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 AM

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and i disagree with that, for several reasons

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but those are two entirely different scenarios

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 AM

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I mean that's basically the example

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It directly contravenes what the movement is supposed to be about

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 AM

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so, the catholic church is a structured organization. antifa, as an anarchist group, is not. when a structured org claims to have ideals that they don't follow, actions speak louder than words

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a few assholes claiming to be antifa (whether they are or not) does not make all antifa bad

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 AM

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how did we get from party nominees, to this? this is extremely convoluted

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 AM

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welcome to off-topic

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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It's 4am @crisp sierra

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Don't think too hard lol

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Dare I link it?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

No true Scotsman

No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample. Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the ...

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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r/whoosh

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whether they are or not

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a large-scale, worldwide conspiracy that infects the top of the organization? much different than an anarchist group

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Huh, so that's what that's called

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Didn't realise it had a name

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:11 AM

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also

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

Argument from fallacy

Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), the fallacy fallacy, the fallacist's fallacy, and the bad reasons ...

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I mean the main issue I have with antifa is that I don't get why it was needed

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:11 AM

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I pointed out your fallacy. I didn't say that was evidence that your conclusion is wrong.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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@sand goblet alright, we have literal white supremacists running the country

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Enki, you spend a lot of effort telling other people what they think, rather than trying to absorb what they're telling you

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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we have an epidemic of nazis

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Who, where? With what proof?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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are

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are you serious

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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we have an epidemic of nazis

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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trump literally admitted it

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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What data do you ahve for this?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 AM

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We don't get that news here

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Which is kind of telling because they can't shut up about trump here

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 AM

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alright, hang on

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Take your time

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-charlottesville-delay/index.html

CNN

Trump: 'Both sides' to blame for Charlottesville

In a remarkable news conference in the lobby of Trump Tower, President Donald Trump blamed the violence in Charlottesville on both sides of the conflict

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that, for starters

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"literal nazis in the streets murdering people, but both sides"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Hang on, I need a source for the event as well

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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we have an epidemic of nazis
That article does not support that thesis.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Unite the Right rally

The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist rally that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017. Protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, ...

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whoaaaaa sorry for the pic from the link

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 AM

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One that isn't Wikipedia if possible

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Too biased

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 AM

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read the references

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 AM

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No, seriously, Wikipedia is terrible for news

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 AM

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read

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the

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references

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460 of them

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take your pick

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 AM

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I also just linked 3 news articles, 2 of whichtalk about people from that rally going to jail

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Wikipedia does not fact check references

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It's not part of how it works

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The fact checking is down to the references themselves

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That's why I prefer to get news from news sources

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 AM

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im not teaching you the last 4 years of american politics

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the references ARE news sources!

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I think you're being a little silly gdude, you know how wikipedia works. A sentence makes a claim, the claim links to a reference, the reference can be clicked upon, which leads to an actual news site containing the journalistic integrity you seek, which backs up the claim made in the original sentence.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Found a BBC article

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 AM

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https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/tonight-on-frontline-documenting-hate-charlottesville/

FRONTLINE

Patrice Taddonio

Tonight on FRONTLINE: "Documenting Hate: Charlottesville"

Tonight, we'll bring you a disturbing, important work of accountability journalism and skilled filmmaking.

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http://www.cbs19news.com/content/news/Kessler-abandons-battle-to-obtain-permit-for-anniversary-rally-489027691.html

Kessler abandons battle to obtain permit for anniversary rally

Jason Kessler is no longer seeking a permit to hold a Unite the Right anniversary rally in Charlottesville on Aug. 11 and 12.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-fbi-arrests-a-white-supremacist-leader-who-fled-the-country-for-central-america/ar-BBOQRDz

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Okay, so I do remember reading something about this at the time

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Now back to the first article..

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:20 AM

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like, i get that the content of wikipedia articles is biased. but wiki articles are not meant as truth, but as a jumping-off point. read the page, read the references (you saying all 460 are biased?) and then go from there

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it's going to be hard to find unbiased articles about nazis. very few people are neutral on the subject

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:21 AM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?fbclid=IwAR0505Q18ertXGppYLqbHe9XpjgIFMCnqphLxq3S35KO2srNWNkO1zocP9A&utm_term=.4c6a2e11d7de

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Is this evidence that we have an epidemic of violent left wing protesters?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:22 AM

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"shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields"

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those horrible antifa

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attacking someone who was...

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reads notes

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being violent

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Having pepper spray is violent?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:23 AM

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the "muh berkeley" thing is a dogwhistle

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:23 AM

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No, it's not

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It's a poor argument

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exactly as poor as the argument you're trying to make

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:23 AM

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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/wielding

www.dictionary.com

Definition of wielding | Dictionary.com

Definition of wielding from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

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aight im out, this is going nowhere

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Okay yeah, done reading now

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Can't think of any good reason for Trump to have said that

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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also, you asked earlier about a citation for when i said we had a nazi epidemic
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

Southern Poverty Law Center

White Nationalist

White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could...

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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I can't even really tell the point he was trying to make

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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thar ya go

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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btw the SPLC is literally the #1 authority on hate groups in America

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:24 AM

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"nazis not good, but non-nazis not good too" is all i can get from it

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Again, you're telling me what my point is, rather than absorbing what you're being told

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:25 AM

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That page suggests that it's a problem that is rapidly solving itself

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:26 AM

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...

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because of antifascist groups

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:26 AM

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you know one of them actually murdered somebody at that rally right?

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with a car?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:26 AM

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antifa is literally the reason that IE "disbanded"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:26 AM

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It says that these groups voluntarily have retreated from the public space after the event that @crisp sierra thinks I ignored

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And that it failed to gain any traction since then

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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uhhhhhhhh

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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It's right there, first thing on the page

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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patriot front is still big

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IE disbanded and became something else and are still big

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Did you read that article before linking it to us?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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there are straight up nazi rallies in upstate new york

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Maybe we need a better source?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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most of these are disappearing because people are actively going against them

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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iirc SPLC lost a defamation lawsuit for wrongly listing someone as an Anti-Muslim extremist recently. They had to pay like 3 million bucks.

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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The literature you provided doesn't support that claim, Enki

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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so i'd take anything they say with a grain of salt

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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I wouldn't.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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like, IE disbanded because people doxed the organizers
stormfront and gab are only having a tough time because companies are actively deplatforming them

shell blade Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/stop-fighting-hose-parenting-hose-off-gif-12003125

Tenor

stop fighting

▶ Play video

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Nah I don't think one mistake is enough to discredit an entire org

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Losing a lawsuit doesn't make you stop being the most respected authority on your subject.

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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madi it's just a typical Internet discussion

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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the situation is not "handling itself", theyre disappearing because we're fighting back

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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it might not just be one mistake though. could be indicative of a wider issue.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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citation needed

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Again, Enki, you're offering no evidence to support that claim.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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For once I agree with Enki lol

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Mods are standing by with firehoses should heads need to be forcibly chilled

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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you cant just say "could be" and expect that to be an argument lmao

crisp sierra Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Citations Needed is a good podcast, by the way

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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and to me the fact that they even made the mistake in the first place is a red flag.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 AM

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Nah, cmon

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We all fuck up

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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that they didnt fix it and needed to be sued to do so is a red flag.

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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I had a bug in my code once. Clearly I'm a bad engineer and shouldn't be trusted.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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so you think anybody on that list should be able to say "nah, im not a nazi!" and just... be removed?

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richard spencer says he isnt a nazi, but he still is

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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no, but they shouldnt defame people and make false claims.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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@solid wolf You say it jokingly, but there's code that has gotten people hacked or killed.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Should it take a lawsuit though?

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I mean they clearly have their own policies on making the decision

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:30 AM

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@vapid bluff it was a mistake?

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you say that like they did it on purpose

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 AM

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they disagreed

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hence the lawsuit

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 AM

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that... doesnt mean they did it on purpose

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 AM

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ugh

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 AM

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It's a grey area really

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It's hard to say what actually happened

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 AM

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@rough sapphire That doesn't mean anyone who has ever had a bug in their code should be distrusted.

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 AM

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yep, someone just accidentally compiled a report on the guy and his organization and published it for all to see

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total accident

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@solid wolf It's very much a per-situation basis. Equifax and not patching their systems come to mind.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 AM

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prove it

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you wanna make claims without evidence, they can be refuted without evidence

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@half spoke you've made plenty of claims without evidence.

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 AM

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-nawaz-v-splc/562646/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/06/18/splc-statement-regarding-maajid-nawaz-and-quilliam-foundation

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you can google the rest yourself if you like

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Oh hey, WaPo agrees with meta

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Didn't you use them as one of your sources for something else?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:33 AM

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hang on

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do any of them say this was anything other than an accident, and provide proof?

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because if not, you're just showing the situation happened, which is not what we're debating

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Given our understanding of the views of Mr. Nawaz and Quilliam, it was our opinion at the time that the Field Guide was published that their inclusion was warranted. But after getting a deeper understanding of their views and after hearing from others for whom we have great respect, we realize that we were simply wrong to have included Mr. Nawaz and Quilliam in the Field Guide in the first place.

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it was our opinion at the time is not an accident

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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thats

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one hell of a way to twist my words

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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how do you even believe something like this happens as an accident?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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did they defame him on purpose

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is what im asking

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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I think what meta is saying is that the case shows that they aren't doing their due diligence when it comes to the research

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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yes, i'd say so

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:34 AM

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then prove it

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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they literally said it themselves.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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where?

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018/06/18/splc-statement-regarding-maajid-nawaz-and-quilliam-foundation

Southern Poverty Law Center

SPLC statement regarding Maajid Nawaz and the Quilliam Foundation

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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no

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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first paragraph

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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thats not in there at all

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read what im saying

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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thats your interpretation of it

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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not, "did they include him on purpose"

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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yes, you dont include people on a list by accident

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youre just grasping at straws

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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did the SPLC recognize this guy was not an extremist, and put him on the list anyway?

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stop twisting my words

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:35 AM

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theyre pretty twisted to begin with

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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"we realize that we were simply wrong to have included Mr. Nawaz and Quilliam in the Field Guide in the first place."

vapid bluff Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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i dont have to do it for you

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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aight, enjoy the block

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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The question you're asking is kind of irrelevant though isn't it @half spoke

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Like

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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no, it isnt

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Either they did it on purpose

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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meta is saying they defamed him on purpose

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Or they didn't do the research

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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thats not how reality works

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Both of those things are bad for credibility

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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its not a binary choice

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Pretty sure he's not

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 3:36 AM

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off_topeek

tame pier Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Yes that's where we are

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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i asked if they defamed him on purpose. meta said yes. i asked for proof.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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I'm not sure what other possibility there is though

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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they were wrong?

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humans fuck up, oops

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Yeah, exactly

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So the research wasn't good enough, right?

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Because it was wrong

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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that doesnt mean they didnt research

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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No, I didn't say that though

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:37 AM

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"Or they didn't do the research"

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you did

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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That's not..

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Alright maybe there's a dialect difference here

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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that could be

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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What I'm saying is that the research wasn't good enough

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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but regardless, that doesnt discredit the entire organization

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Which looks bad for a research based org

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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if thats the case, nobody in academics has any credibility

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Oh sure, I agree with that

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That's just the point I feel was trying to be made

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:39 AM

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in that case, yes, i agree

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they didnt do the proper research and thats awful

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and i hope SPLC have restructured in order to prevent this from happening in the future

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:39 AM

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And we also found a discrepancy just now, right?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:39 AM

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in that department, i feel the statement was lacking

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:40 AM

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In the white nationalism thing, they're missing information about the situation that your argument relied upon

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:40 AM

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hang on, i dont follow

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what information?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:40 AM

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It's nearly 5am, but it's up there and it wasn't my point being made

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:41 AM

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You have claimed, repeatedly, that antifa is responsible for the retreat of white nationalism from the public spotlight. The literature you have provided does not support your claim.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:41 AM

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I'm saying that if that's the case then they also aren't properly handling the research for the subject

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Assuming the info you have is correct

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:41 AM

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alright, i take issue with that statement

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one issue doesn't mean the entire thing is a house of cards

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the SPLC has existed for decades and they've only had one mistake

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:42 AM

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No, I know

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This is the second one

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That's what I'm saying

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There's a problem with the source

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You used it to back up a point but it doesn't agree with your point

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And it seems like you feel like your point is legit, which means they have messed up again

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:43 AM

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what point do you think it's backing up?

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i think there's a misunderstanding

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:43 AM

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The opening paragraph, which is billed as the important stuff for someone skimming, states that after the 2017 event, the white nationalist groups went underground voluntarily and have failed to gain any traction since

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Without suggesting any other reason than they're bad at what they do

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Which, thank fuck, I guess, lol

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But your point says that the reason they're failing is because people are fighting back, right?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:44 AM

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i think that's a poor summary, but my argument is that the retreat is due to people fighting back

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yes

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wow, same wording and all lmao

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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It's likely a combination of both things

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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You have not provided evidence for that argument.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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I mean, I say that because people are fighting back

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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it's certainly not just one thing, no

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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"I have this rock that keeps tigers away"

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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but this problem did not just solve itself

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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But the site doesn't state that

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:45 AM

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alright, let's take a look

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do you know stormfront?

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https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/stormfront
they've been around forever

Southern Poverty Law Center

Stormfront

Created by former Alabama Klan boss and long-time white supremacist Don Black in 1995, Stormfront was the first major hate site on the Internet. Claiming more than 300,000 registered members as of May 2015 (though far fewer remain active), the site has been a very popular onl...

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ugh, that fucking picture

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Rings a bell

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:46 AM

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basically a nazi imageboard

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Oh jeez

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:46 AM

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after unite the right, they went after heather hayer's family

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:46 AM

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No, not heard of that

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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heather was the woman murdered at the rally

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Ah right

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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i mean like, they really went after them

shell blade Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Why are you guys even arguing about?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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and the CEO of cloudflare literally woke up one day and was like "fuck those guys" and cancelled their contract

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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We're not arguing @shell blade

shell blade Jun 4, 2019, 3:47 AM

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righht

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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since then, stormfront has had their hosting cancelled, their DNS cancelled, everything

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Oh yeah I did hear that stormfront was kicked off cloudflare

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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it got to the point where their chinese registrar kicked them out because the chinese government didn't want to be involved with them

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Yeah, it's coming back to me now

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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None of this sounds like it's related to the actions of antifa

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:48 AM

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this is not stormfront infighting, this is because people fought back

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@solid wolf if you would read what im writing you would know why what you said is irrelevant

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anyway, another example is gab

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Gamers against bigotry..?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:49 AM

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i wont link them for obvious reasons, but they were another nazi platform

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hang on and ill grab related sources

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

Gab (social network)

Gab is an English-language social media website, launched publicly in 2017, known for its mainly far-right user base. The site has been described as "extremist friendly" or a "safe haven" for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right. The site allows its users to read ...

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Oh you mean the twitter replacement thing

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Yeah yeah I remember this one

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:50 AM

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it was a twitter replacement for "muh free speech" and has almost entirely a 100% nazi userbase

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:50 AM

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I actually did make an account there back when it launched but I basically never used it

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:50 AM

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one of their users talked about going on a shooting spree a lot. nobody alerted the cops. eventually, he...

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let me look real quick

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shot up a synagogue

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)#2018_Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

Gab (social network)

Gab is an English-language social media website, launched publicly in 2017, known for its mainly far-right user base. The site has been described as "extremist friendly" or a "safe haven" for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right. The site allows its users to read ...

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iirc that was the event that made people deplatform gab

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all their payment processors told them to gtfo

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Yeah, I remember

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Enki, I'm still caught up on this assertion that you made where antifa prostests have caused the alt-right to retreat from public spotlight. You keep talking about other things related to the alt-right, but you've avoided defending that assertion.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:51 AM

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so iirc they went to bitcoin. it worked for a bit until their hosting provider told them to go too

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now, they're trying to use the fediverse

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Here's an annoying thought

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:52 AM

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it's failing hilariously because:

they have no tech experience
and 2. all the mastodon apps are refusing to serve gab instances

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Are you at all interested in supporting that assertion, or are you just going on about tangentially related things?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:52 AM

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@solid wolf again, read what i wrote and you'll know why what you're saying is irrelevant

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:52 AM

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One of the complaints about the right is that it's authoritarian, and to a point that's true I guess

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While I personally would never defend what happened on gab

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It does raise an interesting point about where this stuff lands when it comes to free speech

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:53 AM

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there's also identity europa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Evropa

Identity Evropa

Identity Evropa (), rebranded as American Identity Movement in March 2019, is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization established in March 2016. The group is identified as a white supremacist organization by the Anti-Defamation League and is designated by the ...

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:53 AM

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I'm not someone that believes that platforms need absolute free speech though

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Enki, I understand that you've gone on about something different, but you still made an assertion that you've not provided evidence for

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:53 AM

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a bit more secretive, they ran a discord that was infiltrated by some antifascists, who then proceeded to dox the leaders

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:53 AM

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It's only irrelevant because you seem like you don't want to talk about it anymore.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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they have since switched to the "American identity Movement" name, but it's still IE

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I'm gonna have to cut you off

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I'm up at 5am discussing politics

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And sleep is important

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Haha

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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true

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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g'nite

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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basically my point is that these groups are going away because people are fighting back, because people, including antifascists, are making them go away

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:54 AM

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nice chatting with ya, @sand goblet

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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that's why antifa is important

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aight then

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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You keep saying that, but provide no evidence for the assertion.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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I don't think antifa itself has done all that much, but I'm sure other groups have

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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i linked you, seepho

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Anyway, yeah, gotta run. Later all

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:55 AM

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when you get up, do some research on richard spencer

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goodnight

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Enki, what did you link that showed Antifa contributed to the decay of the alt-right?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 3:56 AM

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In March 2019, the non-profit left-wing media collective Unicorn Riot released more than 770,000 messages leaked from Discord channels related to the group. The leaks had been published on the "Discord Leaks platform" established by the Unicorn Riot.[2] Within the leaked chat logs, members of the groups are discovered to have laid out plans to "infiltrate" local Republican parties and win public offices, plans to influence local media to garner positive coverage, as well as plans for rebranding the group's racism and antisemitism with the "identitarian" label and innocuous-sounding slogans such as "Make America Beautiful Again". The Southern Poverty Law Center commented that the group's rebrands "offers further cover to smuggle white nationalist views into mainstream politics", and that its attempts to influence media for spreading propaganda and recruiting were "often successful". Shortly after the leak, Patrick Casey said that the group "has been retired" and announced the formation a new group, "American Identity Movement". The SPLC commented that the new group will continue Identity Evropa's efforts at "quietly working to normalize their ideas within the Republican Party."[12] After the leak, Discord removed Identity Evropa' chat channels from the platform. The group switched to Slack, but was again removed shortly. Zelle stated that they would investigate and remove associated accounts, after journalists informed the platform that Identity Evropa was using it to raise funds. Legal documents filed to the Arizona Corporation Commission under the AIM front group "Foundation for American Society" was found to have used Identity Evropa's email address.[38]

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if you had read, you would have seen

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also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rh1dhur4aI

YouTube

Sarah Burris

White nationalist Richard Spencer punched in the face camera while...

This video was used to supplement news story: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/watch-white-nationalist-richard-spencer-sucker-punched-in-the-face-during-trump...

▶ Play video

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mods please tell me if thats too much

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RS is a nazi, plain and simple. a few years back, he got the crap kicked out of him in public

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since then, he has made multiple statements that he's actually terrified to speak in public, because of what happened

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all of his groups disinitegrated

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everything he was responsible for was undone

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last thing i'll post on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer

Richard B. Spencer

Richard Bertrand Spencer (born 1978) is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist.
He is president of the National Policy Institute (NPI), a white supremacist think tank, as well as Washington Summit Publishers. Spencer rejects the labels white supremacist and neo-Nazi, cons...

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CW, super racist, horrible stuff

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like, cartoon nazi levels

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 3:59 AM

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You're describing things that AntiFa has done. You have not provided evidence that what they have done has had any effect on the rise of white nationalism.

I'm kind of flabbergasted here. I'm hung up on two claims you've made that don't appear to be true based on the evidence you provided.

1 - we have an epidemic of nazis. The SPLC article you linked states that the alt-right movement is decaying of its own accord
2 - antifa is responsible for the decay of the alt right - You've linked things that antifa have done, but have not shown a causal link between the two.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:00 AM

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are

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are you fucking serious

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In March 2019, the non-profit left-wing media collective Unicorn Riot released more than 770,000 messages leaked from Discord channels related to the group. The leaks had been published on the "Discord Leaks platform" established by the Unicorn Riot.[2] Within the leaked chat logs, members of the groups are discovered to have laid out plans to "infiltrate" local Republican parties and win public offices, plans to influence local media to garner positive coverage, as well as plans for rebranding the group's racism and antisemitism with the "identitarian" label and innocuous-sounding slogans such as "Make America Beautiful Again". The Southern Poverty Law Center commented that the group's rebrands "offers further cover to smuggle white nationalist views into mainstream politics", and that its attempts to influence media for spreading propaganda and recruiting were "often successful". Shortly after the leak, Patrick Casey said that the group "has been retired" and announced the formation a new group, "American Identity Movement". The SPLC commented that the new group will continue Identity Evropa's efforts at "quietly working to normalize their ideas within the Republican Party."[12] After the leak, Discord removed Identity Evropa' chat channels from the platform. The group switched to Slack, but was again removed shortly. Zelle stated that they would investigate and remove associated accounts, after journalists informed the platform that Identity Evropa was using it to raise funds. Legal documents filed to the Arizona Corporation Commission under the AIM front group "Foundation for American Society" was found to have used Identity Evropa's email address.[38]

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read it again

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:00 AM

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I'm being genuine. Can you be genuine?

What claim do you think that paragraph you keep posting supports?

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:00 AM

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what did I miss

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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read. it. again.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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is someone fighting

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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read the article

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Enki, please.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Politics

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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read the article

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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I did, Enki.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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you know what we need.. gladiator arenas.. where people can duke out their political differences

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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clearly you didnt

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Which of your assertions do you think this proivides evidence for?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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2

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:02 AM

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they can choose their weapon of choice.. ranging from fist fights to gaming competitions

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:02 AM

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1 i already talked about with gdude. at this point you are trying to derail what im saying

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 4:02 AM

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oh boy what did i stumble across

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ablobpopcorn

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:02 AM

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No, Enki. I'm trying to hold you to task for claims you made. Please stop telling me what I think; it's disingenuous.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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im not

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stop twisting my words

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i linked you

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to tons of shit

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i quoted it twice

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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@rough sapphire @proper dune Can you guys not?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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read. the fucking. page.

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Enki, I read it.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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anyway, im out. youre incredibly disingenuous

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Why so angry?

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Can you use your words and tell me why you think that supports your assertion?

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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it would be obvious if you had read the article

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@rough sapphire because im talking to a brick wall

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:03 AM

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what I do

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Nothing

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Let they burn

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aye aye

shell blade Jun 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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and if anyone actually listened to me their would be no hurt feelings right now...

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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feelings arent hurt

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mine arent, anyway

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:05 AM

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No one has hurt feelings.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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im simply frustrated

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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well I had chinese yesterday.. I feel pretty hurt..

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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alright, seepho
im saying that antifa groups have contributed to the decline in nazis

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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I think they put chicken brains in my soup.. and it upset my stomach all day

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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as proof of this, i gave an example where a collective called unicorn riot doxed a bunch of nazis

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Enki, I'm not going to play this game where you dip in and out of genuine discussion as you feel like.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:06 AM

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what in there do you think supports my point?

solid wolf Jun 4, 2019, 4:07 AM

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You said you're done; we're done.

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 4:07 AM

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now that i actually want to give you the benefit, youre out?

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https://unicornriot.ninja/faq/

UNICORN RIOT

FAQ

Structure of Unicorn Riot

Is Unicorn Riot a registered non-profit organization?
Yes, we are a registered 501(c)3 educational media organization. All donations are tax-deductible!
Ho...

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enjoy

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because apparently you cant click links

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 6:32 AM

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say I got correlation scores between 1 query vs 4 others..

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the range of correlations scores possible is 0 to 1... I set a threshold saying that 0.2 would be weak correlation is scores of 0.6 are most frequent..

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I computed three correlation scores.. min, max and avg... and said there was correlation if max was > 0.25 and min was >0.2 ....

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I kept the difference between max and min as 0.5 ... to indicate there are others among the 4 queries in correlation and its not plain weak correlation... but I'm not able to explain this intuition :<

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wondering if there's a mathematical term for this

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well fuck it.. im just gonna say so it's not biased on partial correlation

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Woah linked lists are funky but I mostly understand

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It's a structure with a value and another that recurces

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Making a a chain of pointers with values on any size

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But you are blind to the next value because of how its chained

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Kind of. You could always do c->next->val

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Also this is confusing struct node * next;

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I always confuse bad pointer declarations as multiplying

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Yeah, you should type it differently

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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:/

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Oh well

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Struct node *next

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 AM

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With the blind you have to iterate over to find the length

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That's more what I mean

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Ah, gotcha

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Could always store the length as the first node

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:35 AM

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True

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But it's recursivr

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So it would have it in every one waisting a bit of memory as a pointer

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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No it wouldn't

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Each link is only the size of two pointers

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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But it would be the size of 3 when you only need the 3rds info once

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Or a pointer + data size

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Not sure I follow
Sorry it's almost 4am

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Is fine :P

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I mean because it is recursive you can't store the length of it in obly the first node. You have to do it in all

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Yeah you can

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Hang on

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node 1:
    data: 2
    next: [location of node 2]

node 2:
    data: 54845
    next: [location of node 3]

node 3:
    data: 874965
    next: null

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Yep

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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each node consists of a 32 bit pointer and a 32 bit int

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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I mean node 1 can't store the length

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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node 1 in that example is storing the length though

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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Ohh you mean just using the value of node 1 to store the length

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 AM

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yeah :P

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Not a new datatype exclusive to node 1

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👍

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:43 AM

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correct

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Got to go in 2 mins

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 7:43 AM

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although, you could have a new datatype for node 1 that stores an int while all the other nodes store something else

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aight, have fun

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 7:44 AM

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Yeah :P

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Just store an array

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Node1.value[0] is the length

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😎

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Yeah gtg now

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 8:24 AM

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I am so tired

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Hnng

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 8:25 AM

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mood

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Not staying up that late again for a while

tidal cape Jun 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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I'm trying to sign up for the code jam but everything I write or copy-paste to the google form is with white letters (and invisible unless I highlight it with my cursor). Is it meant to be like that or is it my problem? I don't think I've seen it before

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Maybe try another browser

tidal cape Jun 4, 2019, 9:24 AM

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I was using firefox, I'll try chromium

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Yeah that seems to fix it, help

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Yeah it happens for some reason

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I guess google wants you to use chrome

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You can just edit the html with stylus

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I just copy and paste from notepad

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 10:04 AM

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if i have an integer of arbitrary size, is there a way i can reduce it to below a specified number?

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that was a bad way to word that

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was looking for modulus

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:11 AM

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👏

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 10:17 AM

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thats it

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c programming has finally helped me in life

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Uh oh

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https://www.learn-c.org/en/Binary_trees

Binary trees - Learn C - Free Interactive C Tutorial

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 10:37 AM

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HAHAHAHA

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i hate trees

jagged fog Jun 4, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Apple Pro Stand 999$ topkek

languid kelp Jun 4, 2019, 12:45 PM

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don't bag it till you try it

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 12:51 PM

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https://twitter.com/oppo/status/1135393369113280512

OPPO (@oppo)

For those seeking the perfect, notchless smartphone screen experience – prepare to be amazed. 📲

You are taking a very first look at our under-display selfie camera technology. RT! 🤯 https://t.co/FrqB6RiJaY

Retweets

3603

Likes

9677

▶ Play video

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 12:53 PM

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I never understood the notch hate

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they look fine to me

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 12:57 PM

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it's a stand

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you'd have to be nuts.. to buy it for $$$

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 12:58 PM

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^this

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 12:58 PM

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🌰 🍩 🔩 🥜

languid kelp Jun 4, 2019, 1:00 PM

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you get what you pay for

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it "has an intricately engineered arm that perfectly counterbalances the display so it feels virtually weightless, allowing users to easily place it into position".

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where else can you find that!

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 1:01 PM

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its marketing

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its only a 32" monitor

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doesn't need any kind of special stand

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 1:02 PM

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it's a stand... I could make one if I spent a weekend on it..

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for 30$

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no one needs an over engineered stand..

languid kelp Jun 4, 2019, 1:02 PM

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no bullying!!!

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 1:03 PM

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it doesn't make you a better developer..

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XD

languid kelp Jun 4, 2019, 1:06 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc3F8CytBVc&t=6166 skip to 1:43:02

YouTube

Multiverse Tech

WWDC JUNE 2019 | IOS 13 | MAC OS | ANNOUNCEMENTS |

In this video we will be witnessing the live event from San Jose, California where Apple will be unvelling quite a few software products and a few major anno...

▶ Play video

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 1:06 PM

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yeah I watched it live

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even the audience knew 999 was crazy

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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lol

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XD

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 1:10 PM

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its not as if its some new massive size of monitor

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its just a 32" monitor

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 1:11 PM

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fancy stand my ass XD

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im gonna go look up videos where people are making fun of this demo

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link me if you see any good ones

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3gm5p-Ym8o

YouTube

FRONT PAGE TECH

I can’t 😂 NEW 2019 Mac Pro!!! 😂 OFFICIAL WWDC19 Recap Vide...

EP. 854 - OFFICIAL WWDC19 Recap Video 🍏 Apple's WWDC event / keynote for 2019 just ended a few hours ago and this is my... reaction to the new Mac Pro 2019. ...

▶ Play video

zenith crypt Jun 4, 2019, 1:15 PM

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@tame terrace i am leaving server due to new icon. I do not think the Python community should have a controversial position.

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 1:23 PM

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a terrible loss

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 1:38 PM

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thinkmon

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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bloboutagetriggered

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:37 PM

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shit i thought that was a cooking video for a second

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looked like a cheese grater

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i suppose that'd be useful if you ever need to....

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shred some files

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helps with those cheesy memes

fervent dock Jun 4, 2019, 2:38 PM

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wait, it's not a cheese grater?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:39 PM

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at least now there's an input method to allow you to have something with your spam

fervent dock Jun 4, 2019, 2:39 PM

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i thought they were trying to compete with the razer toaster

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📎 gJgptKbP2g3hyJjqnPcUan-320-80.png

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:40 PM

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$999 for that stand is crazy though

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you could get some slick as fuck vesa mounts for that money

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Ah

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That shit

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Honestly fuck apple in the last 5 or so years

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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What's this about a stand?

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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the apple stand is $1k

summer rampart Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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$999 monitor stand

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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for a monitor

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not even an imac

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just a monitor

summer rampart Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 PM

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also the VESA mount is 200 I think

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 2:55 PM

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simply amazing

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they can make anything proprietary

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 2:58 PM

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What even lol

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Oh well, I already hated apple products

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I can't afford their stuff

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some of it was cool though

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the new Mac Pro is a beast

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 PM

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they always have nice hardware

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 PM

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It really does look like a cheese grater

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 PM

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even then
its "up to 28 cores"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190604_160654_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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wait what

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is that a real electronic product

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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there are plenty of servers with over 100 cores out there

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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It's the new Mac Pro!

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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notlikethis

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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We went from trash cans to cheese graters

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:08 PM

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And I still haven't gotten shipping info on the MBP I bought last week.

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Cheesus.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Last I checked, trash cans were more expensive than cheese graters..

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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depends

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Goodbye trash can, hello cheese grater: Apple’s reinvented Mac Pro will shred your workflow

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Thanks, TechCrunch.

lone otter Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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oh yeah

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Haha

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:09 PM

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TechLunch

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mmmm cheese

lone otter Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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apparently there's a max of 1.5TB RAM capacity

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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PFFFT

📎 cheese-grater.png

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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yeah

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but IBM Z series
got 32TB ram capacity 😮

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:12 PM

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As expected as the sun setting.

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 PM

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yep apple gonna apple

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their Swift UI stuff is pretty good

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but yeah

sinful copper Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 PM

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someone pointed out that the $6K price is not actually ridiculous for pro video gear (the kind of use case that actually needs a mac as beefy as the mac pro), and it'd probably be the cheapest thing on the cart

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:13 PM

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The new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 for the 8-core Intel Xeon 3.5GHz model, with 32GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and Radeon Pro 580X graphics card```

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what for how much now

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Oh yeah that is woefully overpriced

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Jeez

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 PM

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christ

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that would be an expensive cheese grater

sinful copper Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 PM

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i don't understand why they made it so ugly though

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just make it look exactly like the G5 / first-gen Mac Pro

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that was apple's best design

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:14 PM

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They're following the kitchen theme

sinful copper Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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this is just, like, an uglier knockoff version of that

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Should've made it a toaster

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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obvious because people are always using their macbooks at trendy breakfast bars

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so they wanted this to blend in

sinful copper Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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(first gen mac pro)

📎 Z.png

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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but there will be a spate of situations where someone tries to make a spanish omelette with it

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I wonder if all the ports are on the top

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Then it basically is a toaster

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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THERE ARE NO PORTS

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that's the new game

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Haha

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Yeah, power and a thunderbolt

tulip palm Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 PM

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the ports are on the bottom so you don't see them :^)

lilac glade Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Create a problem to sell a solution, I like it.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 PM

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USB is extra

gentle moss Jun 4, 2019, 3:16 PM

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"well we can't do proprietary connectors on PHONES buuuuuut...."

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fingers crossed @ EU stopping them doing that on phones though, seriously

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:17 PM

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thunderbolt on laptops is cool though

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its fast boi

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for audio stuff

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Yeah but then no USB

sinful copper Jun 4, 2019, 3:18 PM

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there are two thunderbolt/USBC ports on top, and two more and two USBA on the back, and dual ethernet

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 3:18 PM

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it needs more USB than that

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my gaming PC has like 15 USB ports

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for no good reason

timid latch Jun 4, 2019, 3:27 PM

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made a flow chart of some simple python code, does the style look good or?

📎 test.png

tulip palm Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 PM

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i mean, it's understandable, but it doesn't really do the job of a flow-chart generally speaking. usually a flow chart will just say what's happening rather than showing the exact code it's running.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I think most people are thinking of UML when they talk about these charts

timid latch Jun 4, 2019, 3:32 PM

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well, I was thinking of making a program to generate flowcharts, so showing the code seemed like the best way to go.

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maby this is a bit cleaner.

📎 test.png

runic bolt Jun 4, 2019, 7:25 PM

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I want to build a game/system like Habitica (if you dont know, search for habitica or habitRPG on youtube) but a little bit more on the game side rather than a to-do app with a progress bar written XP.
Think about those mangas/webtoons/movies where a character gets inside a game and you can raise your stats by doing things (raise STR by going to the gym, for example).
Can anyone recommend me a language to build this? Idk anything about programming, but I don’t see a problem learning anything.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 7:34 PM

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a language? Python can...

runic bolt Jun 4, 2019, 7:39 PM

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But is it the recommended one? Also, sry if I sounded rude up there, english is my second language.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 7:39 PM

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you didn't sound rude at all, don't worry about it

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recommended really depends on the context

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but I'd say it would be a good choice. it is 100% capable... Python can do nearly anything

oak tangle Jun 4, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Habitica is in-browser, right?

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Do you want to create an in-browser game as well?

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 7:51 PM

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it is both in-browser and a mobile application

runic bolt Jun 4, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I’m still thinking on what platform it will be on (PC/browser/android)

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Maybe browser since it is more flexible for accessibility

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 8:06 PM

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is this something you want to learn from? you mentioned earlier you know nothing about programming

runic bolt Jun 4, 2019, 8:13 PM

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I just want to make something that may motivate me as I’ve always dreamed of having a real life system where you can level up and grind yourself. So I decided to make a system where I can set a goal, a reward and a stats and skills system where you can have a visual feedback on your progress like you do in RPGs. I really know nothing about programming and if I can learn from this, it’s even better

glass gorge Jun 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Not as discouragement, but inspiration: you could check out habitica on android for ideas

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Could make it a web app?

runic bolt Jun 4, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Yeah, I actually joined habitica thinking it would really gamify my life

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But it ends up it doesn’t really gamify; it just puts a game interface over a To-Do app

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Like, reading a book, going to the gym and other things dont actually give you a raise in intelligence, strenght, or other things

glass gorge Jun 4, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Ye, thats the seller

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To just have a bigger reason to actually monitor own progress

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 8:58 PM

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anyone know of any general programming servers other than Programming and TCD?

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Programming Discussions is my favourite

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Less memey than the rest, more professional

half spoke Jun 4, 2019, 9:09 PM

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awesome, thanks

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@half spoke programming language theory?

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idk how to get to it

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:41 PM

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@half spoke Rule 10 states We do not allow advertisements for communities (including other Discord servers), so it's not really something I'd suggest asking about.

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( Not sure if you'd be yelled at about it, just wanting to let you know )

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:45 PM

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interesting that it doesn't say "unsolicited advertising"

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

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we call that spam

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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@rough sapphire not sure I need you to recite rules to our members, especially when they don't apply.

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we don't allow people to come in here and advertise their communities, you're welcome to talk about other communities though.

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we do automatically remove invites to ones we haven't whitelisted, but we're open to whitelisting communities you guys think are great.

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feel free to suggest stuff like that in #community-meta

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Eh, that to me feels like it'd be opening up potential abuse since alt accounts could say "We like so and so community!" - so figured that discussing it was off limits.

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:51 PM

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not saying we'll whitelist anything that anyone says they like

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but like in this case someone mentioned progdisc, which, frankly, I wouldn't be opposed to whitelisting.

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that's a great community, our members would be well served to be members of both

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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I just see advertising as different than others I suppose.

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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alt accounts? so the server gets flooded with new joins that immediately begin plugging a server and nothing else? sounds legit

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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@narrow comet Bad example, but it's one such example, yes.

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:52 PM

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https://discordapp.com/invite/9zT7NHP

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here's an invite to progdisc btw

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Omg advertising ;)

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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we share some staff with them

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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We do?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Huh

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Cool

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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uhm, lemon? you there? this "lemon" guy is advertising and needs to be banned

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wait

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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yes, @dawn tree is a helper in both

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off the top of my head

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Ah right, Helper counts as staff

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Yeah that's the only one I noticed

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Was that sarcasm, the Ah right, Helper counts as staff?

dawn tree Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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👋

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Hello

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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you're staff there too, right rags?

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Yah, mod there

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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and you used to be staff here so that sorta counts

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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who's rags

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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me

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:54 PM

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robotboi here

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ragsy mcmuffins is his real name

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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🤔

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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so there's one person on the server affectionately named rags and another affectionately named scrags

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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that's fact

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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nice

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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nah I used to be called Rags

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Huh I remembered that domain

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Also great domain

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rag.gy

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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oh okay, still though

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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yes, scrags and rags are actually both aussie so I suspect they may be brothers.

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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So if you changed your name to Rich, it'd be a true story of Rags to Riches

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 PM

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You should sell that for like 20k to a toy store :P

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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People always call me either Rags or Raggy. I switched to Raggy here when I got the domain

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Yeah

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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ha what a ridiculous coincidence

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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great domain btw

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Lemon the copycat :P

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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wish I could've gotten like lem.on or whatever

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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45 bucks an year or something for that. no regrets

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it's great

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I can have an email at me@rag.gy

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:56 PM

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The smallest domain I have is the website

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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what'd you get, le.mon?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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jilk.xy

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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l.emon?

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.lemon?

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lemo.n?

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lemon.?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I don't think emon is a TLD

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Mine is just o[lastname].com

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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is mon a TLD for Mongolia or smth?

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I think he got beardfist.com

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:57 PM

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Also a good domain

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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mine was lyricly.tk until they threw out the free domain after a year

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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.mo is the closest domain I found

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not good enough

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Also I made this portfolio a week ago and it's already out of date and has childish wording to me now 🤔

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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le.mo/n

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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👏

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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and I think I deleted the GitHub Pages repo... I didn't do anything good with the domain anyway, I thought the only way to put something up on it for free was GitHub Pages

proper dune Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I'm just glad Guyana exists tbh

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thanks for .gy

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I put like 2 pages on it

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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It feels weird for ips to be location based tbh

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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How come?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Like I get why they are

wet steppe Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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.io is a place

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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ayyy!

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Things like the ipv4 shortage

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Libya exists

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so I could get lyric.ly

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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In high density areas

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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.io may be lost soon

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Compared to a country with like none

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

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oh, I already knew I could get lyric.ly

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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@sand goblet What do you mean?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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And it's also weird how a company can just own a switch to kill a billion domains, never to return

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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lost? where would all the crappy online games go

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.io is their brand

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wait, that's good!

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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io is the Indian Ocean, a territory currently controlled by the UK, and so the UK runs the registrar for it

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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down with .io

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DOWN WITH .IO

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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.io and .sh may be lost

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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However the UN has ordered the UK to return control of that part of the world to the natives

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:00 PM

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There goes the startups

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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dang without .sh how will we have uhh

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hashbang.sh

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was that what it was called?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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I like .pw

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But it's used for spam because it's cheap

rough sapphire Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@sand goblet Do you have any references or articles about this?

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Like is the LastPass company got last.pw

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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yeah it was hashbang.sh, nice little place where you can get a system to SSH into for free

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Yeah, linked one a while back, hold on

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:01 PM

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@vestal briar but that doesn't even fitttt

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they should have named themselves LastPassWord

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Oh well

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I like pw

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What other hip ones are there

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@vestal briar oh, I have a whole bunch of domains.

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 PM

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-mauritius-worldcourt/world-court-britain-must-return-indian-ocean-islands-to-mauritius-idUKKCN1QE1WX

U.K.

World Court - Britain must return Indian Ocean islands to Mauritius

The World Court on Monday told Britain to give up control over the Chagos Island...

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:02 PM

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.no ;)

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:03 PM

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/27/io_domains_uk_un/

Uh-oh .io: Question mark hangs over trendy tech startup domains as...

The Chagos Islands situation, already a shameful episode of UK history, just got worse

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Also for £5k you can register one commerically

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Weird that

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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So there y'go

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I have a .io myself too

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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here's some of them

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Expensive damn domain

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I have 2 .coms (one expired yesterday) and 1 pw

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I might use lemonsaur.us at some point

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Oh uh I have to try and get a domain for a very general word now

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Forgot about that

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🤔

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:05 PM

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haha

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it's live

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my fiancees blog

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nothing super exciting

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:05 PM

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I want to dox myself but I have to wipe any regrets that can be traced

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Ahh I dug myself a hole

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:06 PM

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gonna redact those for now

oak tangle Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 PM

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yeah, sorry for that

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I thought it was a joke domain

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 PM

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📎 unknown.png

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 PM

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zinharo is pretty good

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Yeah

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I just reserved it for the future

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Incase I want a name like Aviato

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;)

tame terrace Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 PM

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haha

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yeah

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did you go on a spirit journey to discover it

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in a public bathroom along the highway

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Oh god yeah

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5 mins of think is a spirit journey for me

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FUCK I SAID CLOUD TWICE

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 PM

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I sniped gareth-coles.dev when that ext became available

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Ooh .dev

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That's a good startup one

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I feel like those come at a premium though

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 PM

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It's not a good startup one

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Pretty sure it has to be you

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Awh me <3

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:09 PM

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awh, me

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Thanks gdude :)

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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no, ME, owez

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Oh uh

narrow comet Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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obviously

vestal briar Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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HE IS MINE

sand goblet Jun 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

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What