ot1-perplexing-regexing

[rough sapphire]

:3

[gentle moss]

Dubai isn't covered by google fi

that's a problem

plus it requires a phone

that'd mean tethering and shit

[rough sapphire]

hmm complicated

speaking of dubai.. they make you pay through the nose if you miss mobile bill payments

[gentle moss]

got it down to about £800 a month by specifying exactly which countries they're going to be travelling to

[rough sapphire]

cool.. are they going to be using it for gps navigation and stuff..

[gentle moss]

nah, it's for connection to their servers for logging data and shit

car metrics from races etc

[rough sapphire]

cool cool

[gentle moss]

whenever i ls -al i always feel like i made a typo

[summer rampart]

edit: actually right now I have
alias ls='ls -AF --color'
alias ll='ls -lh'

[gentle moss]

not a fan of -AF

[summer rampart]

wai?

[gentle moss]

idk, i like my lists

oh damn, look like grumpy cat died

[rough sapphire]

awww

[vestal briar]

Yep @bisk

Oh tut discord

And that was to the joke thingy

🤷

[sand goblet]

@gentle moss Yeah you were right, the extra NAT on the ISP side was preventing port forwarding

We now have a static IP and it's all good

Surprisingly, the guy used teamviewer and made sure my rules were correct

Good thing I was on Windows

[gentle moss]

:D

[gentle moss]

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/17/oracle_ai_inks_eurovision_horror_show/

hah, cute.

Baby by myself the stain grows more obvious.

i've definitely heard worse eurovision entries than this

i think we can do away with eurovision song writers now

[stark prawn]

But what about all the meme entries.

[gentle moss]

polish girls butter churning?

[tired osprey]

please

verda seduchka or how hes named is the best clearly

[gentle moss]

if you drink enough eurovision starts to sound goo-nah i'm just playin

[stark prawn]

Some of these performers arent even hitting their notes.

[tired osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjHJneVonE

[gentle moss]

yes you keep going on about that but dude you were like 3 when it was on

like i couldn't actually believe they did this

i think that was like 2015 or so

[stark prawn]

Ireland send in a puppet once

[sand goblet]

that was dustin, the turkey

He's from the kids programming on RTE 2, everyone knows him here

[gentle moss]

haha

[sand goblet]

it was because Ireland realised there was no point in taking eurovision seriously lol

haha, el reg

We would like to offer our heartfelt thanks to Popbitch's in-depth guide to the competition, which saved us listening to all 26 finalists

[gentle moss]

:D

[oak tangle]

is that happening right now? the songfestival thing

[gentle moss]

yes

it's on tomorrow

the finals or w/e

[stark prawn]

The Dutch had a meme entry once called de toppers.

[oak tangle]

they're not really a meme, though. They're a marketing unit earning big bucks in The Netherlands.

for Dutch terms that is

selling out concert after concert with that concept

[sand goblet]

the butter churning thing was definitely the funniest

[gentle moss]

yeah

they knew exactly what they were doing in that whole performance

[rough sapphire]

damn.. bring back 2015

[oak tangle]

2015?

[sand goblet]

the year of the polish butter churning championship

[oak tangle]

oh

must have missed that

[sand goblet]

pretty hilarious eurovision

was funnier to see the reactions at home though

[gentle moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ920cN2HmA

was actually 2014

that stage was pretty cool

the stage is one of the best things at eurovision

[rough sapphire]

what stage..

[gentle moss]

:P

[rough sapphire]

is that how polish sounds like..

that's nice.. the singing wasn't all that great.. Russians sound better comparatively..

[gentle moss]

back then i used to go around my mates and do the eurovision drinking games

feck me they're dangerous

[rough sapphire]

like what.. drink till the song is over? lol

[gentle moss]

song has love in the name: drink.
wind machine: drink.
key change: drink.
helicopter shot of nation in intro: drink.

etc etc

[rough sapphire]

wildly dangerous..

did a drinking competition like once in my life.. then never again..

[sand goblet]

But how do you know it's a helicopter and not a drone?

[rough sapphire]

drink first.. ask questions later

😛

[gentle moss]

times are so different now gdude :'(

[sand goblet]

Haha

[stark prawn]

Drones are just humanless helicopters

[rain spindle]

Humans are droneless helicopters

[sand goblet]

I'm not a helicopter

[gentle moss]

hold out your arms and spin in a circle

[rain spindle]

@sand goblet You are a droneless helicopter

[gentle moss]

nah i've heard him talk

[sand goblet]

Am I an apache attack helicopter?

Meh, bad meme

[rain spindle]

There's worse.

[vestal briar]

Made my first wrapper

Also my first PyPi thingy

https://pypi.org/project/jilkpw-py/

[fervent dock]

@grim pelican The way I think about it, is if if you want to insert between X and Y, then with singly LL all you have to do is set Z.next = X.next; X.next = Z. This means you don't need to touch Y at all. I find this straight-forward. Obv with doubly LL you only really do the same but in both directions, though I do see that as a step-up in difficulty. On the other hand, implementing something like selection sort on a singly LL would be a nightmare, and having the ability to traverse in both directions makes it easier to implement such features. It depends on the purpose of the structure, but I do see singly LL as easier to implement.

And sorry about polluting #python-discussion 👀

[grim pelican]

yea that's true i suppose, and yea don't worry about it lol

[vestal briar]

🤔

Nope

That was for a msg 2 days ago

[viscid quarry]

a server im on wants me to create a mock server for discord bot

rly

[vestal briar]

?

[vestal briar]

I want to learn C but I am too tired atm & don't have any projects lined up

[viscid quarry]

puts on glasses

now you can c

[vestal briar]

👏

I am ill atm but I feel like I am doing nothing

[viscid quarry]

if i were ill i would relax in bed

[vestal briar]

:/

I am stressing about nothing but can't help it

[viscid quarry]

you wouldnt stress over nothing

something has to cause it

[vestal briar]

Waisting half a year learning 1-2 frameworks with python

If I had to pin it on something

I think it is multipule sources in general though

[sand goblet]

Wasting.

[viscid quarry]

for me, if i wanna learn something, i need a reason

[sand goblet]

But why do you think it's a waste?

[vestal briar]

I know i'm not

[viscid quarry]

being better at something is why i learn

[vestal briar]

But thats what I think at the same time

Like I learnt 5 things yesterday in python

I wanted to make websites and I still do but for some reason I feel like I wasted the time when I could have learnt something else that would have only helped me now

A catch 22-ish

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Basically stressing over nothing

[wet steppe]

just do django

it even has Go in the name

[vestal briar]

I know flask..

[wet steppe]

djanGo

[vestal briar]

Uh hu

[stark prawn]

editors continue to surprise me.

Wrote a commen """Returns a tuple with (command, out_var)."""
And it autocompleted those variables in the code

[vestal briar]

Christ

[vapid bluff]

which editor?

[wooden kindle]

Holy shit emacs evil mode is blowing my mind

I still don't really know what it is either tbh

[grim pelican]

what about it that blows your mind?

[wooden kindle]

It does basically everything

[grim pelican]

oh no, i was clarifying what you meant. I wasn't sure if you were saying that you didn't know what evil was, or if you didn't know what about it that blew your mind

[wooden kindle]

Ohh

[grim pelican]

lol

[wooden kindle]

I don't really know what to call emacs

[grim pelican]

the paragon of editing perfection

is what you can call it

[wooden kindle]

^

Like you can setup emails, IRC, fukin twitter

[grim pelican]

i like how IRC comes standard with emacs too

[wooden kindle]

Like can you even call it an editor?

[grim pelican]

it's an OS that just happens to also edit files

lol

[wooden kindle]

exactly lmao

I've been getting into Vim and VScode has pretty good integration but it it still felt a little off. Like 8 plugins into Neovim I found spacemacs and spent the rest of the day squealing like a child over all the layers

[grim pelican]

haha nice

[wooden kindle]

[summer rampart]

@wooden kindle how's the resource usage and performance? I wanted to try either spacemacs or build my own starting with evil mode but I stick with neovim because it's fast and lightweight

[wooden kindle]

With the daemon running it feels exactly like neovim and more.

A little hungier for resources tho

[summer rampart]

did you go with helm or ivy?

[summer rampart]

should I go to the dark side

[grim pelican]

let the emacs flow through you @summer rampart

[summer rampart]

I’m thinking of trying out doom-emacs but I’m afraid I might get struck by the holy vim lightning

[grim pelican]

TIL about doom-emacs

[gentle moss]

i am all about doom

but this is too much

[tame pier]

CLI editors

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I use Nano

[grim pelican]

emacs has a GUI, it's better than the TUI counterpart

[tame pier]

TIL

Probably isn't better than PyCharm tho

[grim pelican]

they're different tools, i wouldn't tell someone to use one over the other

of course that doesn't stop people from turning their emacs config into something that can emulate almost all of pycharm's behavior

[gentle moss]

i use nano too @tame pier

[tame pier]

That's awesome @gentle moss

[gentle moss]

i spend a lot of time on our servers, nano makes life tolerable

[tame pier]

But why don't you just get with the damn program and learn Vim already @gentle moss

[grim pelican]

don't you mean ed? /s

[gentle moss]

fuck VIM i want a text editor not a lifestyle choice

[tame pier]

I actually bought a book on Ed, dunno why

lmao

[grim pelican]

haha nice

[tame pier]

True dat

[gentle moss]

the downside is that i also manage some pfsense boxes

which use vi

not vim

and none of the cheat sheets i've found seem accurate

.... so i installed nano on them.

[grim pelican]

vi/m has a tutorial built in

[gentle moss]

it can jump off a cliff as far as i'm concerned

[tame pier]

hahahaha

[gentle moss]

whoever decided that's the default text editor of everything is an awful person

[tame pier]

but how could you hate dearest vimtutor?

[grim pelican]

well it is the editor of the beast (vi vi vi)

[tame pier]

vimtutor like like the helpful senko-san

Nein

[gentle moss]

i'm aware of how old it is but christ why didn't someone just go "alright lads, you've had your fun. lets get serious here." when we figured out how to fucking process words.

[tame pier]

[gentle moss]

https://www.twitch.tv/beehivekay/ - i'm making food and that. eurovision hangover.

[royal tartan]

who won @gentle moss ?

the whole thing was too painful for me

[languid kelp]

the netherlands won

[oak tangle]

So, I've read

Were "we" a proper embarassment in ESF tradition?

[sand goblet]

I'll check

..yes

:P

[oak tangle]

Nice. It's probably impossible for me to avoid the song in the next couple of weeks

[sand goblet]

it sounds like.. wolves?

[oak tangle]

I'm going to listen to it

Now I want to know

[sand goblet]

it's just in general very generic

:P

lemon will be disappointed

did you see oracle's "entry"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MKAf6YX_7M

[oak tangle]

I don't like that intro at all

the dutch one

[sand goblet]

yeah

like I say, wolves

lol

[languid kelp]

pls no hating on wolves

[oak tangle]

biological appropriation

[vestal briar]

Stpid volves

[languid kelp]

triggered

[vestal briar]

no me stokerino

Right

What to do

[sand goblet]

Sure is, ventus

I mean they had help from a real singer too

The AI just output lyrics and a basic melody

and the actual lyrical performance

I mean don't get me wrong, we have the tech to also perform the lyrics

I'm sure you've heard of vocaloid

[vestal briar]

Be nice to ai

[sand goblet]

miku is a terrible example

some of them are fairly realistic

but

[vestal briar]

Once they control us maybe you wont be a slave >:D

[languid kelp]

i dont know if that is sillier than it sounds or not

because its silly

[sand goblet]

the problem with miku is her vocaloid is overused

because it's one of the default ones

but you can still do it right

[vestal briar]

I want a religion about electronics

[sand goblet]

here's some examples, https://youtu.be/QGQ5ZDLaoVI

[vestal briar]

Just grannys going around destroying tvs

IT IS THE DEMON THAT CAME TO KILL US ALL

[sand goblet]

they do still have a distinctive vocaloidness to them

but they're pretty good

[vestal briar]

Tut gdude is blanking me

Oh well

[sand goblet]

yeah, you see what I mean

owen, you had nothing to respond to

some of the vocaloids are realistic enough that they were able to add the sound of the performer breathing in lol

[oak tangle]

There's a lot of research going into emulating the human voice, so it's going to get even more amazing in the near future

[sand goblet]

Yeah

I mean hey, alexa can whisper now

[summer rampart]

imagine hearing something whisper late at night

[sand goblet]

I mean, that's what it's for, lol

to give you a completely different piece of music that a lot of people mistake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNaKTKQWORY

this is from the splatoon 2 soundtrack

and most people think it's a vocaloid

it is not, these songs have actual singers

thrown through a filter obviously, but pretty interesting nontheless

Here's some BTS https://youtu.be/hWzbdmlaQog?t=29

another good BTS https://youtu.be/TxF3bMJpScI

Automod can be a pretty complex subject

there's no one defined approach

oh yeah, I forgot about this too https://youtu.be/jGZW_Uvhvvk

goddamn nintendo really went all in

[plucky monolith]

I'm only here for the chat names lmao

[sand goblet]

You need to use setTimeout

rather than an actual loop

JS is not designed for blocking work

[lilac glade]

Mortyyyyy
I'm on a hawaiian shirt, Mortyyy!

[vestal briar]

👏

[vestal briar]

Ooh atom is fancy

[viscid quarry]

sublime is fancier

[vestal briar]

Uninstalled

I just went back to vscode because I like it more

[twin flare]

I always fall back to sublime

(my first)

[viscid quarry]

my first was notepad

[twin flare]

notepad++ made me feel l33t

[viscid quarry]

made an IRC bot with 30 files and almost 300 lines per file, in notepad

it's always good using notepad to learn a language imo

so you don't get lazy and use autocomplete bs, etc.etc.

[sand goblet]

It's certainly a great way to connect with the profane parts of the dictionary

[viscid quarry]

oh yea that too

i said some words i never knew i knew :D

[stark prawn]

Never heard of botepad. Is that a decent editor?

[viscid quarry]

for the first couple of years that i learned cpp, python and java, i just used notepad

what's a botepad ?

[stark prawn]

🤔

edited

[viscid quarry]

idk what you mean

[wet steppe]

what's botepad

[viscid quarry]

🅱otepad

wait a second

bpdq

are all the same letter

with different orientations

[wet steppe]

nearly

q has a fliky

[viscid quarry]

still oriented reverse

[stark prawn]

q and p are mirrored in most fonts

[wet steppe]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IDQpggePaak/maxresdefault.jpg

[viscid quarry]

qo.op

[wet steppe]

fonts are different to actual letters

like look at the letter "a"

[viscid quarry]

that's a character

[stark prawn]

What's wrong with a?

[wet steppe]

small a is this http://clipart-library.com/images/qTBobdLEc.jpg

[viscid quarry]

uh

that's just lazy-style a

[wet steppe]

fonts do their own thing

[stark prawn]

that's a very ugly font

[viscid quarry]

^

it's beautiful in it's own way though

[wet steppe]

what I am saying is that
fonts are based on typesetting, and they are different to the actual letters

[stark prawn]

how would you define the actual letters?

[vestal briar]

I made like 1 thing on notepad

Then went onto sublime to make a lest in time gmod hud

[wet steppe]

letters from the days of written word

[vestal briar]

Then vscode from there on

[wet steppe]

there were variations there too though

[viscid quarry]

my dad sends me letters from prison

[stark prawn]

There is no standard definition that says the a has to look like that.

[wet steppe]

more modern "a" and sans-serif "q" started getting used after typesetting was invented

the original shapes were different

I prefer to refer to the old shapes I guess 😄

[rain spindle]

What's everyones favourite programming fonts?

[vestal briar]

consales

[wet steppe]

IDK I always set IDE fonts as default

[vestal briar]

^

[wet steppe]

I do change the colors though

for syntax highlighting

[twin flare]

leave it to a programming chat to go deep on fonts

[vestal briar]

The default is consales :P

[rain spindle]

I like firacode

• I need a powerline supported font

[wet steppe]

I don't support ligatures

they are pretty though

[stark prawn]

You need a powerline font for your ide?

[vestal briar]

Yep

For vscode

Broken

And font size 14 glitched _ to

[stark prawn]

I guess just don't use any plugins that use powerline

[wet steppe]

some of these ligatures don't look good to me:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-aI4l2sSwV0/maxresdefault.jpg

[vestal briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet steppe]

I don't likee the hashes merging

or squiggle into at

[rain spindle]

@stark prawn I use vscode

And a powershell terminal

I need to do it by hand

[wet steppe]

the arrows do look nice

but ===> looks okay to me 😄

[stark prawn]

I have use zsh, and it just uses the terminal's font, not vscode's font

[vestal briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also curses is annoying

[wet steppe]

I hate it when
C++ memers insist on using Ncurses for all their GUIs 😂

[vestal briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'll use all core stuff in C

And then gui and all else in Python

[viscid quarry]

Comic sans for me

[wet steppe]

there's a comic sans monospace for coding lol

[tulip palm]

is there? i've been looking for one for ages

[wet steppe]

https://github.com/belluzj/fantasque-sans

[tulip palm]

not comic sans enough

[vestal briar]

That actually looks really nice

[gentle sparrow]

Hack font is nice

Not offensive in any way

https://github.com/source-foundry/Hack

[vestal briar]

EXCUSE ME

THAT IS VERY OFFENSIVE

( https://sourcefoundry.org/hack/ )

Looks like modified sans serif

[wicked talon]

isn't everything technically modified sans serif

[gentle sparrow]

It is modified dejavu

And dejavu is also quite unoffensive

[lone otter]

hack's quite nice

I use fira for ttf and tamzen for bitmap

https://github.com/sunaku/tamzen-font

[wet steppe]

hack doesn't seem to have ligatures so maybe I would like that

typo

I'm trying to find a nice font that preserves "===>"

and "++" and "=/="

[sand goblet]

PyCharm allows you to disable ligatures in the settings

I imagine most good editors do too

[wet steppe]

but ligatures are the whole selling point of the font

may as well use a non-ligature font in that case

[sand goblet]

Well no

Fira mono does not have ligatures actually

Fira code is just Fira mono with ligatures

[wet steppe]

ah okay

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tonsky/FiraCode/master/showcases/all_ligatures.png

I prefer Fira Mono 🤔

[sand goblet]

But the point is that if you like a font with ligatures then you can disable the ligatures without editing the font

[wet steppe]

if you disable Fira Code ligatures does it become Fira Mono

[sand goblet]

I dunno

[wet steppe]

probably seperate fonts I guess

TBH looking at that comparison image some of these ligatures are so bad

arrow lengths are way harder to judge

and why does it combine #_(

$> is a particularly bad ligature too

[lone otter]

Fira Code and Fira Mono look different

Like despite ligatures

[sand goblet]

I like the ligatures

They exist to give you more semantic meaning

[wet steppe]

I'm super anti ligature 😂

I understand some of the arrows being good

but others just shove symbols closer together and its a bit ???

[sand goblet]

Honestly you need to use it a while to appreciate it

You don't consciously notice most ligatures but they register

[wet steppe]

these are problematic 😂

look at that at sign

[sand goblet]

Nah they're not

There's a tilde there

[wet steppe]

it looks like just a fancy at sign instead of "~" and "@"

[sand goblet]

It's super obvious

It's also wider than one character

[wet steppe]

I think that's way too ambiguous

its a step backwards

[sand goblet]

Not in the slightest

You're seeing these outside of the context of the editor grid

[stark prawn]

The @ is strange in the base font though

[sand goblet]

You need to try it in an editor

[fervent dock]

they make the walrus look ok

[wet steppe]

without ligatures its really easy to see the difference between these:
->
-->
--->
ligatures make arrows very ambiguous

[sand goblet]

Nah it's still easy to see that

Again. Use an editor.

[stark prawn]

That's a clear difference

[wet steppe]

you have to judge the length by eye

[sand goblet]

Like you do with the gaps, yes

[wet steppe]

no because you can count the gaps

[sand goblet]

Nobody counts the spaces lol

If we did shit like that, we'd take far too long to read code

[wet steppe]

your brain counts every time you look at this
-> --> --->

[sand goblet]

No, it doesn't.

[wet steppe]

it does

[sand goblet]

Symbol recognition is far, far more complex than that

[wet steppe]

these two arrows in particular I think will get confused

one is a big longer

its not enough to differentiate

[fervent dock]

it would look far more obvious if they weren't just floating in space too

[sand goblet]

Nah, I can easily tell which one is longer, and by one character

But again. Editor grid. Use it.

[wet steppe]

<=> and <==> is so much clearer

than a difference in length

[sand goblet]

You're basically just ignoring me at this point :P

[wet steppe]

I've used ligature fonts in editor before

your point is moot

[sand goblet]

It doesn't sound like it honestly

There's no objective advantage to not having ligatures here

It's just your personal preference

[wet steppe]

yeah that's fine, its personal preference

I don't disagree

[sand goblet]

Yeah, which is fine

I mean, I prefer ligatures just because I like eye candy tbh

I don't find either way easier to read

[wet steppe]

I have a personal preference for Python over VB Script
but I still argue with people that they should use Python 😛

I can't say that Python is objectively better though

[sand goblet]

Sure, but Python wasn't conceived as the result of a drunken rant among Microsoft employees :P

[wet steppe]

Linux was made by some random college kid

[sand goblet]

Technically, so were most things in the tech world

We've all used Google

[wet steppe]

IDK Google's origin

[sand goblet]

I have an entire book on it

Interesting stuff

I particularly found it amusing how their first test group went

The page loaded, and they sat there and did nothing

When asked why, they said they were waiting for the rest of the page to load

Yknow, like, ads and stuff

They had to put a notice at the bottom that read "That's it, that's everything, please start searching"

[wet steppe]

haha

[vestal briar]

Hmm

I need a new project

Short-term

Long-term is C over the course of a year to know it as well as I currently know python & ecosystem

But i'd like a short-term project for a month that I could partially rewrite with C

I am thinking some kind of mp3 player of video converter utilizing ffmpeg

Would like to learn some pgobject

[wet steppe]

make a web app

[vestal briar]

Already know Flask

Want to be learning some new stuff with python (also can't really rewrite it in C)

[vapid bluff]

if you want to have some real 'fun' use the libav c libraries... shudder

[wet steppe]

DjanGo

Pyramid

Tornado

DjanGo

[vestal briar]

Apex

You listed django twice

And some unpopular ones

[wet steppe]

👀

[vestal briar]

I am taking a break from web to do low-level stuff

[wet steppe]

use ArgParse and BeautifulSoup to make command line web scraping tool

[vestal briar]

click*

[wet steppe]

click is too good lol
too easy

[vestal briar]

I heard of BeautifulSoup but dont know what it is

Oh it's just scraping

[wet steppe]

^

like scrapy

[vestal briar]

I was hoping for a better version of curses

Imma just learn pygobject

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet steppe]

why not make a GUI in PyQt
and then remake in actual Qt

ah or GTK yeah

[vestal briar]

If I have to do windows aswell, i'll just make a webapp with flask and use a c/c++ webview thing to connect to flask

Tada fancy gui like electron

[wet steppe]

what's c/c++ webview thing

[vestal briar]

But I want a fancy gui for linux only so this is better

I forgot the name

It supports go, c and c++

[wet steppe]

GTK?

[vestal briar]

This one

https://github.com/zserge/webview

Nah

It's like a tiny web browser

Connected to 1 url

[wet steppe]

ah okay

[vestal briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet steppe]

like a lightweight electron?

[vestal briar]

Basically

[wet steppe]

yeah seems good

[vestal briar]

Just making a website

And box it to make it a program

Get the user to run a flask uwsgi thingy

And just connect to a locally-hosted server basically

[wet steppe]

Gdude likes Bottle you could take a look at that

https://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/

[vestal briar]

Or I could use Flask that I am an expert-ish with

[wet steppe]

you don't like it when I suggest other HTTP frameworks

[vestal briar]

I know it well but I don't have a ton of experiance with it in the real world kinda thing

It's like saying to me to learn like java

No usecase for me/Redundant :P

[wet steppe]

yeah I see

[vestal briar]

Actually may aswell make a flask thingy with ffmpeg

At least i'll learn ffmpeg/interacting with c in python and that webview thingy

[wet steppe]

what will it do

[vestal briar]

Utilize ffmpeg to do cool stuff to videos

And convert filetypes on your pc

Think of it as a bad handbreak

[wet steppe]

ah yeah I see

[vestal briar]

Tut

This is making me learn JS >:D

[wet steppe]

lool

[vestal briar]

Need ajax stuff for no refresh

Oh well

All could be done in like 10 lines

But gui and stuff

This is why you use a gui framework

[wet steppe]

Bootstrap.CSS 😄

[vestal briar]

👏

The IE of css

Anyway, kitboga is now https://www.twitch.tv/kitboga

Hmm where has 30 mins gone

Oh no it's just starting

[wet steppe]

"Coding & GTA RP" 😄

[vestal briar]

:)

No scammy today

But that's fine

[wet steppe]

XD

[vestal briar]

He does intermiddiate C# but to make cool scammy annoy things

[wet steppe]

GTA V mods got legit TBH

[vestal briar]

Yup

[wet steppe]

there's an excellent Thanos mod

[vestal briar]

It has kind of had an popularity rebirth

Aswell as the already 500 million in after-launch micropuchases

[sand goblet]

I just wanna say that laminators are the worst thing

I needed to laminate 31 pages

I got like 10 in and then it ate a page and broke

[wet steppe]

waow

[rough sapphire]

Didn't know people still laminated things

[sand goblet]

we do

:P

oh well, at least it isn't my laminator

I'll wait for it to cool down and see if I can open it

oh wait, I'm at work

no screwdriver

[oak tangle]

my gf laminates a lot of things

but she's a primary school teacher

so it makes sense

[stark prawn]

tbh it's almost as fun as making labels

[tired osprey]

different people will interpret this differently

[lone otter]

different people will interpret this differently

[wet steppe]

different people will interpret this differently

[vestal briar]

different people will interpret this differently

[gentle moss]

different people will interpret this differently

[sand goblet]

I interpret it as spam

[summer rampart]

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi5.walmartimages.com%2Fasr%2F220b9405-3e45-4410-8996-1db6e5262f3a_1.dcef6a080c598b7fbcd60de1456562cd.jpeg&f=1

[sand goblet]

[wet steppe]

Is it good to eat

Its like ham ?

[sand goblet]

I'm told it's good to eat

yet, I would rather not

[summer rampart]

it's alright

[gentle moss]

it's not delicious at all

[sand goblet]

you're just saying that so we leave you with all the spam

[gentle moss]

thats defamation

[vestal briar]

SUE

[sinful copper]

it is basically ham (technically also pork shoulder that's prepared the same way) that's been chopped up and pressed into a solid shape

it has a different texture than normal ham on account of being chopped up, and some people find that unpleasant

[wet steppe]

It looks too compressed

Dense

[vestal briar]

I ran a windows virus on wine

The shittiness of WINE saved me

Long story with that virus

(Anyways unless it was a big day-zero virus that attacked windows and linux, it wouldnt get out of the poorly made wine sandbox)

[wet steppe]

lol

[autumn night]

@full matrix to be clear, you would need to know the license the content is provided under

if it's provided under something like CC-BY-SA then yes, you can share the data under the terms of that license

[full matrix]

why u mentiond me here?

[autumn night]

because its off-topic for a help channel

it's not a python question

but i have some familiarity with the subject so i can try to help still if you want

[full matrix]

yes please

i am confused about this all

i made my code already after fixing bugs and will be sad if it is ilegal

[sand goblet]

Do read what I said in #python-discussion as well

[full matrix]

@sand goblet i can't remember what you said 😃

[sand goblet]

Well go back and read it again :P

[vestal briar]

Nobody will arrest you if it is personal

But against tos

And maybe against rule 5

[sand goblet]

talking about legal issues is missing the point entirely

[full matrix]

as doing something against the law is forbidden

[sand goblet]

okay, I said it in #python-discussion but I'll say it again

terms of service are not legally binding

[vestal briar]

https://www.goodreads.com/api

@full matrix

[sand goblet]

however the site is within its rights to ban you

or send an abuse report to your ISP

they wanted to learn scraping, so I don't think they'll go for that

[autumn night]

it could likely get their bot banned

im also trying to keep my personal views separate from my "official" views as "a guy who tries to be helpful on discord"

and in the latter capacity i will say, be careful with breaking TOSes and don't commit copyright infringement

[full matrix]

@vestal briar they said 'no quotes api yet'

I have another question

when a client request a bot that do what site doesn't want me to do,,,then is this legal!?

[vestal briar]

Against TOS

Read what gdude said

[full matrix]

indeed can i go to jail because of TOS ?

[vestal briar]

Haha no

At max you will be sent an angry letter by your isp or be cut off eventially

Again, read what gdude said

[full matrix]

what is 'isp'

indeed you know my problem is in :

[vestal briar]

Ask duckduckgo/google

The art of the search

[full matrix]

if it is ilegal..then it is fobidden in my religion (it is like stealing)

[vestal briar]

stealing is a broad word

Would it be stealing if you robin hooded

Like what laws does it follow

[full matrix]

indeed yes (you shouldn't do this as what is built on wrong is wrong)

[vestal briar]

Depends on the POV of wrong

"Stealing" bread for your family to survive is seen as wrong and not wrong by diffrent people sort of thing

If you consider it stealing or the Priest/Imam says it is, I guess so

But as gdude said, by laws it is not stealing at least in the UK and US; if you do it majorly, it can be classed as copyright infringement

@full matrix

[full matrix]

and what will heappen then

after copyright infringement

[vestal briar]

Depends on the country

Often it is just nothing but a notice

If it's bigger, a fine

[full matrix]

in egypt.. if you hacked the website itself and said 'i did it come and send me to jail, no one will care

[vestal briar]

If it's like mutli-billion, jail

I can't talk for egypt

[robust sierra]

i think im getting deja vu, @vestal briar wbu

we had a similar convo before

[vestal briar]

Though I think they would have stricter policies then that or everyone would be going to there to hack @full matrix

@robust sierra We did & I know what one. It was a futile ignorance argument with someone in saudia arabia

[robust sierra]

i think he was from iran

[vestal briar]

One of the two

I think I had that one and a mini one before that :P

[full matrix]

indeed i think i am making it big problem

[vestal briar]

I'm not religious so not sure my grounds on it FYI, take it all with a grain of salt

Though it's probably fine aslong as you are not hurting anyone/anything by doing it (finances or otherwise)

[full matrix]

but a case like this is very small and won't affect them right?

[vestal briar]

Yeah

Won't affect authors at all

If it's just a quote

Might do something to goodreads?

But they don't have that feature I don't think

(Not saying any of this is right or wrong to do now btw, no warrenty/rule 5 implyed)

Oh yeah it doesnt' show here

[full matrix]

the problem is just about affecting the server performance and using important data right?

mmmmmmmmmm

[autumn night]

there are 2 aspects

1. the goodreads TOS
2. publishing/sharing goodreads' data/content

[vestal briar]

Breaking tos

Not hurting authors

[autumn night]

1. is up to you, just decide what seems right to you

[vestal briar]

Possible huring goodreads but not in a signifiant way

[autumn night]

2. without an explicit license otherwise, even copying the data probably constitutes an unauthorized copy. but if you are not sharing the data w/ the public, then likely nobody will care. e.g. it's just for you and your friends

[vestal briar]

Yep

[full matrix]

ok then

[vestal briar]

Basically goodreads doesn't care all that much when it comes to private use

[full matrix]

i am disapointed now of this world and its dark face

[vestal briar]

Nothing will be happening to authors

So it's in a gray area

I'd say it's fine

[wet steppe]

[vestal briar]

If nobody cares, doesn't hurt anyone and it benifits me: I would personally take it

[full matrix]

right

[vestal briar]

1 done

2 70-80% for goodreads

3 Yep

[full matrix]

what u mean

[vestal briar]

Goodreads doesn't care all that much, max a ban
Server load would not be affected much for goodreads, it is not hurting the authors at all
Cool thing

They are the for reasons in this circumstance (for me atleast)

Against would be if it was being sold commercially

[full matrix]

that means small scraping won't hurt then they don't care

no no no commerciall here

[vestal briar]

They won't care apart from maybe an automated ban

But rule 5 so I can't tell you to do it or not

Or help you

[full matrix]

ik

so in this cases:1_not harming 2_no commerc ----->they won't care

[vestal briar]

As I see it, yes

[full matrix]

ok then

thank you man 😃

and for afterwards

[vestal briar]

No problem

Take care

[full matrix]

i can find the reasons for their tos in their tos right?

[vestal briar]

https://www.goodreads.com/about/terms

[full matrix]

so i can stay away of waht they hate

under which tag??

[vestal briar]

This license does not include any resale or commercial use of any part of the Service, or its contents; any collection and use of any book listings, descriptions, reviews or other material included in the Service; any derivative use of any part of the Service or its contents; any downloading, copying, or other use of account information for the benefit of any third party; or any use of data mining, robots, or similar data gathering and extraction tools.```

It is breaking tos

[full matrix]

XD

[vestal briar]

The licenses granted by us terminate if you do not comply with this Agreement.

So you will get banned is all if you where doing it

[full matrix]

good then

you helped me alot

thank you so much 😃

[vestal briar]

No problem

Uh oh whats this

http://time.com/5591944/ukraine-volodymyr-zelenskiy-disband-parliament/

Ah it's fine

New ukranian goverment going by his promises

That was fast to disband paliment

[full matrix]

indeed politics is not clean anywhere

when reading news i find out world is more danger

[vestal briar]

Technically he's doing it for peace

Well to go towards peace at least

[sand goblet]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/binary-ast/

[bleak lintel]

ahhh that's smart

hm, impressive stats

[tight fractal]

Will a server in the vacuum of space overheat? 🤔

[rough sapphire]

vacuum doesn't mean the temperature is low.. and the server will heat regardless of whether or not it's in a vacuum

[mental ether]

you'll need extra fans to push those scant few hydrogen atoms through the heatsink

[proper dune]

A server will heat more in the vacuum since theres no conduction or convection losses

[sand goblet]

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/05/20/huawei-granted-temporary-reprieve-from-us-import-ban-suppliers-relieved-of-havoc-for-now/

[rough sapphire]

you know those mafia bosses who like to send a message..

this seems like that

[stark prawn]

We think huawei may be spying on us, so we are going to allow them back in for 3 months.

[sand goblet]

Haha

[sand goblet]

oh you'll like this one

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/iphone_mems_gyroscope_fingerprinting/

[full matrix]

@autumn night here?

[autumn night]

yes but you got your answer: "idk"

cause the docs arent published 🤷

[full matrix]

@vague tulip here we can talk about off topics right?

XD

do you know similar one?

i searched alot

and can't find what i want::(

a site should have sent me a mail with db while agoe

but nothing came 😦

[sand goblet]

https://antergos.com/blog/antergos-linux-project-ends/

[wet steppe]

wow

[vapid bluff]

TIL cat litter caused a nuclear accident...

1 February 2014: Designed to last ten thousand years, the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) site approximately 26 miles (42 km) east of Carlsbad, New Mexico, United States, had its first leak of airborne radioactive materials.[91][92] 140 employees working underground at the time were sheltered indoors. Thirteen of these tested positive for internal radioactive contamination increasing their risk for future cancers or health issues. A second leak at the plant occurred shortly after the first, releasing plutonium and other radiotoxins causing concern to nearby communities. The source of the drum rupture has been traced to the use of organic kitty litter at the WCRRF packaging facility at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where the drum was packaged and prepared for shipment.[93]

tl;dr: The source of the drum rupture has been traced to the use of organic kitty litter at the WCRRF packaging facility at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where the drum was packaged and prepared for shipment.

[lilac glade]

Pokemon Rumble Rush came out yesterday. Not even 1 hour in and I'm already locked out due to a bug.

[sand goblet]

Yeah, I'm not finding it compelling either way

I mean goddamn, those models

[lilac glade]

Yeah, but that's the Rumble style, AFAIK. I haven't played other Rumble games, so I figured this would be my first while bored at work.

I can't leave this page, but I also can't select anything on this page. I should be able to remove one of these items from my very limited inventory, but cannot.

[vestal briar]

Holy

Thats a bad looking game

Looks like a wii port to mobile

Oh and it has microtransactions, very OG there :/

[sand goblet]

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoIsGooglesLanguage

[vestal briar]

https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4?t=39

(Watch, it's clipped to 39s)

[autumn night]

hi @jaunty skiff

[rough sapphire]

is that pokemon on switch??

[lilac glade]

No, that's a mobile ghame

[rough sapphire]

Pokemon Rumble Rush

oooh

im gonna try

[rough sapphire]

any russian speakers online?

[rough sapphire]

is anyone familiar with how they run datacamp.. I understand it's by using containers..

spawning one for each student user.. how do they balance load..

like I understand it's a docker api call that probably spawns each one.. but how can it handle so many requests and manage to deliver

[tame pier]

Possibly Kubernetes?

[sand goblet]

It's more likely to be a custom solution, but kubernetes and docker swarm are both great at that

[sand goblet]

I used up the last of my brioche by filling it with crisps

I can hear the French complaining from over here

[gentle moss]

crisp sandwich

$$$

[vestal briar]

Yummy

Now

What is the best on them

Pringles? Nic Naks?

Walkers?

[sand goblet]

I used tayto

it's all I had

[vestal briar]

I think I finally understand pointers :)

Need practise though

[sand goblet]

you only think you understand pointers

[vestal briar]

:)

[sand goblet]

:P

[vestal briar]

Rust ones are nice

C.. not so much

[vestal briar]

My C & C++ guy in school tries to never use them

Wow

[sand goblet]

http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html

:P

[wooden silo]

I mean, you should only need to use raw pointers rarely in modern C++.

References and STL abstractions protect you from them in most cases.

[sand goblet]

You say that, but people do use them

[wooden silo]

I'm just saying that @vestal briar 's C&C++ guy isn't exactly wrong.

It's probably a good idea to strive not to use them if you can avoid it.

[sand goblet]

Well, yeah, that's fair

[gentle moss]

You spend several hours creating a new copy of the Universe which is identical to the existing one except your foot has a hole in it. You then hear that it can be done more elegantly with Dyadic Functile Hyper-Arrows, but the very act of reading some of the included sample code causes one of your metatarsals to explode.```

hah, haskell

[vestal briar]

Yeo

[wet steppe]

Sounds standard for haskell

[vestal briar]

I don't get what that means

Gtg

[rough sapphire]

im handsome

[proper dune]

if you use raw pointers in C++ for any reason other than backwards comatibility (with C or otherwise) or ABI interfacing, you're dead to me

[sinful turtle]

My 4 and a half year old phone finally died today

I don't know whether to be annoyed, or relieved that I can get a new phone lmao

[lilac glade]

Battery failure?

I'd just replace it and move on, if I could.

[sinful turtle]

Nope, dropped it and something on the inside of the phone died

I don't think it was the battery because the screen still came of with a load of coloured bars

Somehow something inside my phone broke before the screen did, which suprised me

[vestal briar]

I'd say some connector came loose

Could still repair it >:D

Wait 4 years ago is only 2015

[sinful turtle]

I don't really want to use that phone ever again because of how slow it was

(It was an iphone 5c)

[vestal briar]

Ah

[grave phoenix]

Time for a S10

And use it for another 5 years

[rough sapphire]

Does anyone know if github followers are public? That is, can anyone who knows my profile look at my followers/who I am following?

[sand goblet]

Yep

[rough sapphire]

rip

Shame, I wanted to add people ik irl

[sinful copper]

you might want to make a separate profile for your real name anyway etc, and make stuff you can show prospective employers etc

[sand goblet]

I think it's usually pretty obvious when someone does that

[sinful copper]

like i get the instinct to not want your real identity all over everything but

[sand goblet]

I'd do it with LinkedIn, but not with github

[sinful copper]

github is kind of a gray area

well the alternative is to just do all github activity under your real name

but @rough sapphire seemed to be saying they already are doing some anonymously

[sand goblet]

That's what I do, yeah

[rough sapphire]

Yeah right now my github has no personal info on it

[sinful copper]

(also btw you know the email address you set up for git is public and stays on commits forever, right?)

had someone else coming in and complaining about that

[lilac glade]

My Github account is under both my real name and my username.

[sand goblet]

Oh, that's always a fun complaint

[vestal briar]

I am thinking of making stuff public

But I have to scrub

[lilac glade]

I don't mind what's on my Github profile, for it's also a way for me to keep track of what I've done.

[rough sapphire]

woah what it said my email was private

[sinful copper]

your email address for registration is private

[lilac glade]

https://github.com/Refisio

[vestal briar]

https://gitlab.com/scowez

[sinful copper]

your email address that goes in the commit header - which could be different, but won't be if you didn't set it up specifically, is public

[vestal briar]

Basically my portfolio I use it for

[sand goblet]

https://github.com/gdude2002

[vestal briar]

I have a dedicated website now

[sand goblet]

Haven't used in a while

[vestal briar]

Even 50

[rough sapphire]

how do I see my commit headers?

[lilac glade]

That reminds me that I still need to learn how to use Flask... and CSS... and HTML...

Fun times.

[sand goblet]

Commits contain your email and name as provided to git

[lilac glade]

More procrastination.

[sand goblet]

When you set it up on your machine

[vestal briar]

I need to do C

I am now but it feels like I am not doing enough

Even though its long term..

[sand goblet]

UN Owez Was Her

[rough sapphire]

I'm looking at my commits now, I'm not seeing my email anywhere

[vestal briar]

Yeah

[sinful copper]

@rough sapphire view it in patch mode

[vestal briar]

Seems he's gone

[sinful copper]

e.g. https://github.com/Random832/pyvecfon/commit/53d5163b50884b2b5352f77914e520300d634355.patch

and read this https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-commit-email-addresses

[rough sapphire]

I feel 11/10 violated rn

[sand goblet]

That's what happens when you don't understand your tools

Accountability is why it works this way, though

It's a noble goal

[robust sierra]

aw fuck

[sinful copper]

ok it is possible to remove them (if no-one else has cloned the repository) using git filter-branch from the command line

[robust sierra]

big fuck

i thought my email was private grr

[sand goblet]

I don't understand people that are secretive in professional spaces like github

[sinful copper]

or if you don't care about the commit history, just recreate the repository (much easier than filter-branch)

[rough sapphire]

whelp just deleted all my repos

[vestal briar]

I have everything but phone, real name, photo and exact adress online

[sinful copper]

...i hope you didn't lose a lot of work doing that, i could have walked you through removing the email addresses

[robust sierra]

@sand goblet since when was my github ever professional

[sand goblet]

Github in general is professional

I still forked a potato, I'm not gonna hide because of that

We're all people

[rough sapphire]

nah I have them all locally. Thanks though random. Now I just need to research setting up a different email

[sinful copper]

ah

if you want to keep the commit history, you can edit the local repositories with https://stackoverflow.com/questions/750172/how-to-change-the-author-and-committer-name-and-e-mail-of-multiple-commits-in-gi - this will change all the commit hash values

once you have a new email address (or that github no reply thing) set up

[wet steppe]

I still forked a potatoLMAO

[sinful copper]

make a backup of your repositories before proceeding with that

[robust sierra]

ayy my email doesnt show on Berone

[sand goblet]

@wet steppe drtshock/potato if I'm not mistaken

[vestal briar]

Mine is obvious

[username]@[the prefix of my username]

[rough sapphire]

At present now that my repos are down for the moment, is my email back to private?

[sand goblet]

Not if anyone cloned them ever

[robust sierra]

i think theres a setting u can change

[rough sapphire]

They were all private repos

one was public for i believe 5 minutes

[sinful copper]

there's nothing else on github that surfaces the email addresses except commits in visible repos, aiui

[sand goblet]

I always read that like a word

Ayoooey

[robust sierra]

@rough sapphire go to Settings > Emails > Tick Keep my email addresses private

[sand goblet]

That won't do it

[vestal briar]

Intresting.. https://gitlab.com/snippets/1859943

    what
        is
        this
            thing
        that's
        happening

becomes the following "tree" structure:


    └ what
        ├ is
        ├ this
        │   └ thing
        ├ that's
        └ happening

[robust sierra]

it wont cover up past commits, but it will cover up future commits right?

[sand goblet]

No, it has nothing to do with commits

[rough sapphire]

oh hey, mine says "because you have email set to private 123456789username will be shown instead"

[sinful copper]

@sand goblet huh? https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-commit-email-addresses

@rough sapphire did you look in your repos and see what was showing up before deleting them? if it was always private it might not ever have been a problem

[sand goblet]

Yep nothing to do with commits

That's for the web editor

[sinful copper]

web editor has nothing to do with commits 🤔

[rough sapphire]

I did not look, deleted first asked questions after

[sinful copper]

anyway it says it can also block you from pushing commits that have your real address in them https://help.github.com/en/articles/blocking-command-line-pushes-that-expose-your-personal-email-address

(to put the noreply thing on command line commits you have to configure it outside of github)

[rough sapphire]

Is there a github look-alike for people who value privacy

Or is that just an external hard drive

[sinful copper]

it's not really a github issue

[wet steppe]

yeah private repos

[sinful copper]

this is inherent to how git itself works, and github provides adequate mitigations for it if you set things up properly

[vestal briar]

GitLab?

You can make it 100% self hosted

[rough sapphire]

Gdude, ou still around?

[vestal briar]

x 2

[rough sapphire]

Anyone else could prob answer just as easily: would I have been notified in some way if someone cloned one of my repos?

[sinful copper]

@rough sapphire i bet your millisecond timer takes longer than a millisecond to run

put the start time in a variable and just subtract it from the current time, instead of having a counter that goes up

[fervent dock]

@rough sapphire On github each repo will have an Insights tab, under which is Traffic which shows clones and views, but if your repos were private no one cloned or saw them

I'm not sure if the insights thing is guaranteed to be 100% accurate

[rough sapphire]

Thank you

[sinful copper]

@rough sapphire new Date().valueOf() is current time in milliseconds since January 1, 1970 UTC

er, Date.now()

(valueOf is the old way of doing it and it's awkward)

[sand goblet]

@rough sapphire Ding

Sorry, been eating dinner

Insights help, yeah

[rough sapphire]

I'll tell you hwhat, you just discovered time travel

[rough sapphire]

||Move over [REDACTED DUE TO SPOILERS]||

[rough sapphire]

great Scott

we gotta go back Marty..

[rough sapphire]

||Doc, what do you mean you destroyed my future and Biff is going to marry my mom?||

[sand goblet]

@gentle moss https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/may/24/theresa-may-resignation-uk-prime-minister-politics-brexit-live-news

[rough sapphire]

expected this

[gentle moss]

totally expected

[rough sapphire]

then there will a second referendum

[gentle moss]

a truck for a shredding company just appeared at downing street too