ot1-perplexing-regexing

[sand goblet]

well, no

[languid kelp]

gdude is talking about tulpas

[sand goblet]

schizo is involuntary

[urban garden]

what

is tulpha com

community

[sand goblet]

just follow along

you'll get it :P

a tulpa is different in that yes, it's a second personality, but it's "active" (as in, you can talk to/interact with it) while your own main personality is

and it can't just take control

[urban garden]

ok XD

[sand goblet]

the only real difference between this an an actual mental disorder is like

the restrictions you put in place

which is one of the reasons it's dangerous

[vague shuttle]

ah okey, I feel like I have a better understanding of it know. Why do these kinds of experiments tho? Sounds like it could backfire a lot

[sand goblet]

Because I was interested and not in as good a frame of mind as I have been

there are some other aspects to this

another part of it is building a world in your head for the tulpa to reside in

they call that a wonderland

I stll have mine

[urban garden]

i actually dont get it

[vague shuttle]

Ah I feel you, dark places can take u into new dark worlds

[urban garden]

are you talking about drugs or what

[vague shuttle]

no

[sand goblet]

No, this is all mental work

[urban garden]

mental work? wtf

[sand goblet]

the difference between a wonderland and anything else you imagine is that a wonderland is persistent, it sticks around

trust me, I know how batshit it sounds, marshall :P

[vague shuttle]

I have been on the edge of entering dark worlds aswell @sand goblet mine was not anything close to this tho. Mine was more in the line of criminal acts

[sand goblet]

yeah but you're talking figurative

this is literal

mine is kind of a desert beach

[urban garden]

its drugs.. I understand

[sand goblet]

no drugs. :P

[vague shuttle]

U mean when I said dark worlds? That is just a metaphor

[sand goblet]

yeah, I know

so the wonderland is a pretty standard thing

[vague shuttle]

I actually meant criminal acts

[tame terrace]

okay so

[sand goblet]

oh before I continue

[urban garden]

are they allowed to talk about drugs here

[sand goblet]

don't do any of this

[gentle moss]

big bang theory needs the canned laughter else it's failures are in the open

[sand goblet]

it's a bad idea

[gentle moss]

oooh, scrolled up

[tame terrace]

criminal acts, drugs, and inventing tulpas seem like kind of heavy topics for this channel

[sand goblet]

yeah, I agree on two of those

the tulpa thing is just relating a story

[vague shuttle]

That should be a new off topic channel "criminal acts, drugs and inventing tulpas"

[urban garden]

they talk about drugs

[tame terrace]

@urban garden you're the one talking about drugs.

nobody else has brought it up

[urban garden]

whta

they said they are in different worlds so definetly drugs

[sand goblet]

mate I don't even drink

[vague shuttle]

Doesnt have to be

Meditation can do a lot for the right people

[sand goblet]

everything I've mentioned up to this point is confined to your own psyche

it's in your head

that is as far as most people go

buuuut you can go further

I'm not really gonna go into detail on this since I don't want anyone to try it

but

It's possible to train your brain to hallucinate a tulpa in the world around you

[wet steppe]

Is this deliberate delusion

[sand goblet]

yes

And it's also possible to give the tulpa control over your body

[urban garden]

oh wtf

[sand goblet]

those are two things I fully advise staying the fuck away from

[urban garden]

are you kinda crazy

or something

[sand goblet]

Haha, that's such a loaded question

[vague shuttle]

Has nothing to do with that really

Even if he where/is

[sand goblet]

I am talking theoretical in some parts here

[wet steppe]

This is like the exact opposite of cognitive behavioural therapy

[sand goblet]

I haven't done that

[languid kelp]

@gentle moss you enjoy the BBT?

[gentle moss]

lol

fuck no

it's awful trash

[tame terrace]

according to the internet, "tuplae are often associated with MLP lovers". why is that?

[urban garden]

you are actually crazy why shuold people want to hallucinate

[tame terrace]

do you make pony tulpae?

[vague shuttle]

lol

[urban garden]

why you just dont take drugs then omg

[sand goblet]

Yeah, I know why that is, and it's so fucking unhealthy

there are people that legit did do that

from the standpoint of healthy tulpa work, it's a travesty

because they're creating the tulpa of a character that already exists

what you get is a personality that has constant identity crises

[tame terrace]

I'm not sure how "healthy tupla" isn't an oxymoron.

it all sounds unhealthy to me

[sand goblet]

it's all unhealthy

doing that is just more unhealthy

[tame terrace]

guys, you're all on thin ice. we don't discuss drugs on this server, final warning.

[vague shuttle]

Hmm, but u discussed alcohol before

[sand goblet]

alcohol isn't a banned drug in most countries

that is what most people are referring to here :P

[tame terrace]

okay, to be clear, we don't discuss illegal drugs

[languid kelp]

just to be clear

[sand goblet]

In my experimentation, I built the tulpa and the wonderland and got it to a point where it was more or less "sentient"

[languid kelp]

what about cannabis?

[vague shuttle]

Good, I like being clear.

[gentle moss]

that's illegal

[vague shuttle]

Everyone says drugs but really mean illegal drugs. Many have a hard time understanding that alcohol is a drug aswell

[gentle moss]

and there's no point getting into a discussion about decriminalisation

[tame terrace]

yeah, don't discuss cannabis here either.

[sand goblet]

and that's as far as I went

[gentle moss]

it's still illegal

[tame terrace]

keep in mind that we welcome users as young as 13 here.

[urban garden]

tulpa is drug too

[tame terrace]

keep all conversation appropriate to those ages, please.

[vague shuttle]

Then alcohol should be banned aswell honestly

Considering age 13 and whatnot

[urban garden]

tulpas should be banned too

[languid kelp]

...

[sand goblet]

I noticed that during my time with the tulpa, a lot of people I knew said that it was like I wasn't entirely there in conversations

[gentle moss]

urrrg, i'm gonna go build my box. this is drab.

[sand goblet]

even those that didn't know I was doing it

[urban garden]

I googled it @sand goblet

[sand goblet]

and it was clear that my programming took a big nosedive

[urban garden]

you are basically talking to yourself and trying to think there is someone who talks with you

[sand goblet]

so that's when I decided to stop and reverse it

yes, that's more or less it

[urban garden]

thats so f*** crazy dude really

[sand goblet]

I did tell you it was pretty batshit

:P

there's no real way to get rid of the wonderland but you can just ignore it, it's only there when you want to go there

but the tulpa is gone

[urban garden]

why people do this

[sand goblet]

for me, curiosity

[urban garden]

probably when they are completly lonely

[sand goblet]

yeah, that is a reason people do it

there is a huge online community, but I'm not going to link it because - again - I don't want any of you to try this

[vague shuttle]

Many reasons tho, some people probably feel so shitty they need to escape the real world. As many people do in games

[urban garden]

im not crazy im for sure not gonna talk to myself lol

[sand goblet]

I did get some very useful experience out of this however

I have multiple friends that have real personality disorders

[urban garden]

i play games sometimes to have fun and relax and not to escape the world xd

[sand goblet]

and some of the techniques I learned, I was able to teach to them, and they have helped

[vague shuttle]

Well u are not alone in this world 😃 There is many that use it to escape

[urban garden]

lol

[sand goblet]

but yes, in case I haven't said it enough times, don't mess with this stuff

[urban garden]

still better than talking to yourself

[vague shuttle]

especially things like mmorpgs, world of warcraft

[sand goblet]

it's risky and I'm lucky that I suffered no issues

[urban garden]

yes probably you can get crazy af

[sand goblet]

creating a tulpa and then disippating it leaves you with kind of an empty feeling for a while

you learn to ignore it but it's still there if you go looking for it

[urban garden]

you watch too much deathnote

[sand goblet]

it's no problem anymore, but it sure wrecked my head for a while

haha, god, I hated deathnote

what a terrible anime

[urban garden]

why terrible

I like it

[sand goblet]

have you watched it?

[urban garden]

yes

[sand goblet]

did you watch all of it?

[urban garden]

no

xD

[sand goblet]

yeah, see

you have that whole thing with L

[urban garden]

I stopped to watch it at some part i dont know

[sand goblet]

the first half of the anime

[vague shuttle]

I watched the movie, it was ok at best

[sand goblet]

and then

the second half of the anime

is the first half repeated basically

[urban garden]

yeah I watched the stuff with L

[sand goblet]

just with another guy

[urban garden]

lol

the movie on netflix

[sand goblet]

at least it had some memeworthy stuff though

[urban garden]

I really liked it

[sand goblet]

I take a potato chip

AND EAT IT

[urban garden]

😛

[vague shuttle]

Okok

Favorite movie of all time?

[urban garden]

Bee movie

xd

[sand goblet]

hmm

[urban garden]

jk

[sand goblet]

legend of everfree

you guys definitely don't know that one

it's an MLP one

[urban garden]

nope

[vague shuttle]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054387/

Thats mine

[urban garden]

lol

[sand goblet]

haha I bet Marshall here would find that world just as weird too

the world of grown-ass people watching my little pony

[urban garden]

honestly

Id like to learn python but

now im scared

[sand goblet]

don't worry

I'm just a weird one

:P

[urban garden]

xD

[sand goblet]

but I do have 11 years of experience with Python if you get stuck

!resources

[royal lake]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected goodies that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/info/resources

[urban garden]

nice 😄

[sand goblet]

for now though I'mma get lunch, afk

[urban garden]

what are you doing with python

in 11 years

[sand goblet]

Honestly, not as much as I'd like

I was never able to find a job in it

Now I'm starting my own company

[vague shuttle]

that was a quick lunch, is ur own company the one u are at now?

[sand goblet]

I'm eating my lunch now

I just got it

like I said :P

Also, while I am director here, no

it's not that one

[urban garden]

ok

but what have you done so far

[sand goblet]

Most of my work revolves around automation and web development

I built a couple toy CMSes, wrote a bunch of code for @royal lake and the old Python Discord site

I'm one of the two people behind https://ultros.io - which unfortunately is stalled

I also took over and ran a Minecraft community, the one with the first custom server with multiworld back in the days of MC classic

[urban garden]

cool

[sand goblet]

It was my introduction to python, in fact

[urban garden]

why?

[sand goblet]

Why what?

[urban garden]

why python for minecraft?

[sand goblet]

It wasn't my project originally, I took it over

[wet steppe]

Kotlin

[sand goblet]

But it was a great match for a server software for Minecraft

Apex, this was like 10 years ago

[wet steppe]

Ooh

[sand goblet]

we were still on python 2

[urban garden]

but minecraft is written in java why u didnt code in java then

[sand goblet]

The server didn't have to be Java

it was just networking after all

and there was no Spigot or Bukkit back then

[urban garden]

oh

[sand goblet]

there was just Minecraft Classic

this was long before modding took off

[urban garden]

ok

[sand goblet]

heck this was before Minecraft was even popular really

when Notch used to hang out on IRC

even joined our server a few times

[wet steppe]

Notch got banned by Microsoft from the Minecraft anniversary

[urban garden]

?

[sand goblet]

yeah, I know

it was because of some tweets he made, which honestly didn't even sound that bad from what I read

I think it's just MS being careful

[urban garden]

they want the money

[sand goblet]

that has nothing to do with notch though

[urban garden]

xD

[sand goblet]

he hasn't been involved for years

when he sold Mojang, he also left

outbid Jay-Z on a very expensive property

and now is kind of hermiting

[urban garden]

sure

how old are you

[sand goblet]

his wife left him not too long before all that as well iirc

his mental health took a huge noisedive

26

[urban garden]

what happened 2002

[sand goblet]

I made the username

[urban garden]

ah

[sand goblet]

boring, I know

[urban garden]

xD

[sand goblet]

people that don't have any more points to make try to use that number to pretend I'm a teenager to discredit my point when I disagree with them

little do they know, my profile photo doesn't really look like I'm 16

haha

[urban garden]

yeah thats why I was wondering

then I thought mb you have a child born 2002 but nah

[sand goblet]

a child?

[urban garden]

yes

[sand goblet]

breh I haven't had a partner in like

I dunno like 5 years

[urban garden]

go tinder

xD

[sand goblet]

haha no

[urban garden]

better than tulpa!

xd

[sand goblet]

I mean I like to think that my girlfriends are not experiments anyway :P

[urban garden]

xD

[sand goblet]

I do know a guy that dated his tulpa though

[urban garden]

omg ;D

[sand goblet]

to say it was a bad idea was an understatement

lol

[urban garden]

yeah so

ok no

i dont want to think about it

xd

[sand goblet]

but tinder is still a bad idea

at least where I am

it doesn't have the local userbase, so you just get people that use it to troll

[urban garden]

where I am there is big userbase

cool

i live in germany

[vague shuttle]

Doesnt matter, tinder is shit anyways.

On the topic of notch, I heard from himself that he spends his time partying a lot nowadays making up for lost time in his youth

[urban garden]

lol

[sand goblet]

That doesn't sound like a good path to happiness

[urban garden]

do you know hytale

[sand goblet]

Yeah, looks interesting

[vague shuttle]

No it doesn't. He is most likely surrounded with people that he will never know likes him for him or for his money

[sand goblet]

Hope it turns out to be good

[vague shuttle]

probably his money

[urban garden]

its gonna destroy the minecraft community to its full as I think

[sand goblet]

I don't think so

But it'll be good nontheless I'm sure

there have been many pretenders to that particular throne

[vague shuttle]

Minecraft is like World o f warcraft in that sense.

[urban garden]

but the userbase of minecraft will get really small.. I mean in the multiplayer area

maybe some ppl still hang out in there worlds and stuff

[sand goblet]

Most people play single player, amusingly

[urban garden]

yea how boring

[sand goblet]

yeah, I don't enjoy it either

[urban garden]

multiplayer is so much coooler so much more options

possibilities 😄

[sand goblet]

It wasn't originally intended to be multiplayer

which is amusing

[urban garden]

i mean yeah but hypixel actually made it so far being the biggest minecraft network , building up a company and now just starting their own game thats pretty sick

its pretty in hype

[sand goblet]

I don't like a lot of how the Minecraft server community works

[urban garden]

me neither

[sand goblet]

to give you an example

that community I used to run, The Archives

it still exists on Discord actually, but it isn't a Minecraft community anymore

We had trouble getting a userbase after all these commercially-oriented servers showed up

Our network was always 100% free

If you wanted a playerbase then you had to be on all the serverlists

and holy shit there were a lot

and all of them had some kind of paid feature

to illustrate my point

one particular server list we got onto early and actually sat comfortably at the top for a while

[urban garden]

ive used to work with a kinda investor on minecraft networks.. he build up always the same servers with similar features and some little self programmes stuff, paid big tubers to play on and earned all the donations

thats so fucking unenjoyable when its all around the profit

[sand goblet]

I was making enough money to pay for their "premium offering" which basically was just like

bidding for the top spots

one day I was approached by another server, runecraft, who asked if we'd let them have the top spot that month

we declined

this site used to allow you to see how much everyone was bidding

[urban garden]

lol

[sand goblet]

when we were top, it was maxing at around 100 dollars per month

a couple months later, runecraft rocketed to the top of the list

their bid was 120,000 dollars

[urban garden]

just for being at the top of a serverlist?

[sand goblet]

120 thousand dollars.

yes

like holy fuck

[urban garden]

thats free these days

xD

[wet steppe]

Lol wow

[sand goblet]

120k? buy a fucking car

buy 4 cars

[urban garden]

i mena sure there is something like a highlighting probably which you can pay for but the most serverlists work like of the number of votes player give

[sand goblet]

that isn't how they work

voting is only one part of a larger system

[stark prawn]

There must be a lot of money in servers than.

[sand goblet]

there is to a degree

[urban garden]

sure depends on the page I mean some of them are filteirng by votes some by players and stuff

[sand goblet]

Most of them are allowing you to pay for your votes to count for more

[summer rampart]

when it gets to that point isn’t it a big part of it getting kids to get their parents to pay for their rank or whatever? re: grote’s statement

[sand goblet]

A lot of them also have a separate section for servers that are paying

oooooh I love how you mentioned that

[urban garden]

hm Idk i was just active on one list which is european so there they dont offer stuff like this

[sand goblet]

I love it

because there was a big controversy

in which mojang said "OK, fuck that shit"

"We're going to enforce our EULA"

the EULA bans any payment for anything, except for completely cosmetic stuff

[urban garden]

i mean much people dont give a fuck about the EULA and mojang cant delete like every little server whos doing that

[sand goblet]

if it gets them anything functional at all, then it's disallowed

you say that, but you are wrong

they have a team of lawyers, and by god they used them

[urban garden]

of course

[sand goblet]

a lot of servers, particularly big ones, were contacted by their lawyers and subsequently fixed

or shut down

[urban garden]

thats why I said they cant delete every little server I mean there are soooo much servers in so much different languages and they would need to check every server on its own if it offers only cosmetic stuff thats not easy probably XD

[sand goblet]

yeah but nobody cares about those servers

they're small

[urban garden]

I actually reported a server with about 300 players because they offered things like /fly and stuff in PvP and 1 year later they got removed xd

[sand goblet]

Sure, but they were hunting the large servers down

:P

[summer rampart]

@urban garden 300 players like concurrently?

[urban garden]

yea

[sand goblet]

yeah that's pretty small

[urban garden]

maybe more

[summer rampart]

also /fly in pvp 0.o

[urban garden]

I know that was a fucking mess they just wanted the money from the kids

they just offered Ranks for paysafecard

xD

[sand goblet]

paysafecard is actually a great idea for not getting caught with your pants down

super hard to track

A lot of people that write ransomeware and stuff use it

[urban garden]

a lot of people that are under 14 years old use it

xD

[sand goblet]

well, can't get cards of their own

:P

[urban garden]

why not

[sand goblet]

too young in many countries

[urban garden]

okay

its weird in my country its like some ppl only give them for 18y/o ppl and some dont give a fuck and give them every 10 years old

[sand goblet]

sounds more like a parenting problem

[gentle moss]

Probably debit cards.

If parents are giving a child a credit card that's fraud

[stark prawn]

I had a. Debit card from age 12.

Parents could see every transaction though.

[gentle moss]

Same

[stark prawn]

You can't pay with it on most foreign sites though, unless you use paypall

[sand goblet]

I hate parent/child banking in the US

It makes it very easy for abusive parents to be abusive

I have several friends with abusive parents that, despite being of age, have a bank account their parents are still allowed access to

over here, when you hit 18, the bank locks your parents out of your account

[languid kelp]

i don't think abusive parents need help to be abusive, fwiw

[sand goblet]

well it sure is a lot harder to leave when they can literally take all your money

[languid kelp]

are you saying... even at 18 parents in the US can withdraw the money?

[sand goblet]

I'll give you an example

I know a girl extremely well, we'll call her C

She's a couple days younger than me

sorry, had to get up

Several years ago, her uncle died and left her a ton of money in his will

And she got it

But she's in a very abusive situation, her dad is a control freak and her mom is complicit

She managed to move out last year

and suddenly found that all of this will money had just been taken from her account

and it was no small sum

now, she's 26, as I am

isn't that nuts?

it's nuts.

there is no world in which allowing that to happen makes sense

[gentle moss]

FREEDOOOOOOOM

[languid kelp]

so... what has she done about it?

[stark prawn]

That will be a pain to get back.

[sand goblet]

She can't do anything about it

[gentle moss]

i imagine you could sue your parents

[sand goblet]

Since her parents had access to the bank account, it's assumed that they had permission to take it

[languid kelp]

that is spectacularly stupid, pretty much as stupid as I would rate myself

[sand goblet]

even though she never gave it

[gentle moss]

damn

[stark prawn]

You also have these children that find they have tens of thousands of dollars in creditcard debt. And they'll only find out when they try to borrow money after they turn 18.

[sand goblet]

C had to go back to that home because she did her back in and couldn't look after herself

[languid kelp]

not sure how a minor could accrue debt

[sand goblet]

while she was recovering, her dad went into her room, searched for any job applications she had, CVs/resumes, that sort of thing

[stark prawn]

They don't do it themselves.

[sand goblet]

and shredded them

[stark prawn]

wtf

[sand goblet]

she's moving out next month again, luckily

[languid kelp]

that is simply unacceptable

[sand goblet]

you're telling me

[languid kelp]

next month sounds too far away (sorry)

[storm elm]

i don't think minors can sign for any kind of debt where i live

[stark prawn]

The parents do it behind their back.

[storm elm]

well that's illegal too isn't it?

not saying it'll stop them but maybe it would help with getting debt forgiveness if it was illegally attributed to the minor

[sand goblet]

I mean it's all illegal

force-feeding people is illegal

trying to push people off of rooves is illegal

going through people's sensitive clothing and throwing half of it out is illegal

you think that stops them? :P

[tame terrace]

please don't call them rooves.

[sand goblet]

I'm english, OK

[tame terrace]

[sand goblet]

haha

[storm elm]

no that's why i explicitly said it wouldn't stop them

[sand goblet]

okay, trying to push people off of inverted ceilings, then

[vague shuttle]

Never seen rooves before

[sand goblet]

you're welcome

[tame terrace]

rooves is archaic

[storm elm]

🇺🇸

[sand goblet]

for once I'm right about something

yeah, the murricans use roofs I think

[tame terrace]

no, everyone uses roofs

[sand goblet]

we don't

[tame terrace]

you don't, personally

everyone else in the world does.

[storm elm]

rooves is how i pronounce it to be fair

[vague shuttle]

Funny, in Sweden we are taught british english and still we was taught Roofs

[sand goblet]

no, we don't

people in Ireland do

none of the english people we know do

[tame terrace]

the BNC stats there are particularly interesting

[storm elm]

@vague shuttle "we was" is not correct in any english dialect except ebonics

[sand goblet]

how did we get from domestic abuse to etymology anyway xD

[vague shuttle]

y I know, too lazy to change and its not like im a writing a essay on this chat

[sand goblet]

you could be

maybe this is your test

[storm elm]

i'm just giving you shit, no worries

[vague shuttle]

Dont worry, I eat it gladly

[storm elm]

second languages are tough

[vague shuttle]

shit lover

[sand goblet]

goddamit Bran Dad

Why are you like this

[storm elm]

lol

[sand goblet]

dad of brans

[vague shuttle]

y second languages are tongue

[storm elm]

what?

[sand goblet]

well unless you don't use tongues for speaking

[vague shuttle]

I meant though

[storm elm]

hahaha

[vague shuttle]

lol, im fuckign with u

[storm elm]

had a good laugh, ty

[sand goblet]

:P

we all speak with our tongues, right?

I have this pocket book of tongues, how do you guys store your tongues?

[stark prawn]

I deep freeze them, they last longer that way.

[vague shuttle]

Well I am from sweden so we salt the hell out of it

so i(t) lasts over the winter

[rough sapphire]

PIckle it in Alcohol.

[stark prawn]

And eat it raw like herrings.

[vague shuttle]

The words I have the most issues with are where and were, but I think I have it nailed somewhat even tho I need to remind myself.

Ah fuck, now that I was gonna write it out I am not so sure anymore

[stark prawn]

the and the is annoying.

[vague shuttle]

were = past tense, a state?
where = present, location

[sand goblet]

Yep

good

[storm elm]

where were you?

[sand goblet]

where isn't really a word that has a tense but yeah

[stark prawn]

didn't and hadn't'st

[sand goblet]

were is like, the past of is

is/was/were

[languid kelp]

is oatmeal the best porridge?

[sand goblet]

is cereal soup?

[wet steppe]

oatmeal is a word for porridge

[languid kelp]

cereal is not soup.

[gentle moss]

milk is soup, cereal is croutons

[storm elm]

meal in that context just refers to finely processed foodstuffs

[sand goblet]

No, I think cereal is the main meal item, milk is a sauce

[storm elm]

there is cornmeal which i find to be weird

[vague shuttle]

Cereal is sugar, milk is fat

[sand goblet]

wow rude

[gentle moss]

fucking party pooper over here

[sand goblet]

haha

[storm elm]

is it just me or are croutons terrible?

[gentle moss]

it's just you

[storm elm]

like eating dry cereal

[sand goblet]

I like them

well don't eat them on their own

you luddite

[gentle moss]

you're supposed to put them in soup mate

[storm elm]

in lettuce soup?

[sand goblet]

I like 'em in salad

but salad should have a dressing

[storm elm]

agreed

[gentle moss]

yeah, naked salads are lewd

[languid kelp]

technically, i believe oatmeal is a type of porridge

[wet steppe]

no
oatmeal is porridge

[stark prawn]

I always wonder what that tastes like.

[sand goblet]

oatmeal is entirely separate from porridge

[gentle moss]

it's just ground up oats

[sand goblet]

yeah

[wet steppe]

oatmeal is the american english for all porridge

[vague shuttle]

Porridge is a poor ridge, oatmeal is food

[sand goblet]

well as usual, the american english is wrong

[gentle moss]

americans don't know any food

[sand goblet]

you guys think a grill is a broiler

[gentle moss]

so it's fine for them to think that

[sand goblet]

like what

does it boil but with an R?

[storm elm]

croutons or dry cereal makes the roof of my mouth bleed 😦

[wet steppe]

as far as i know americans mostly don't know the term porridge at all

[summer rampart]

Porridge is very soft rice

[gentle moss]

what

that's rice pudding

[sand goblet]

it can be

[storm elm]

@wet steppe that isn't true

[sand goblet]

porridge is a type of food

it's not a specific food

[storm elm]

oatmeal is not the american english for all porridge

it only refers to the variety made with oats

[wet steppe]

there's porridge that isn't oats?

[vague shuttle]

Yes its called meal

[gentle moss]

hey @sand goblet

i've got a question

how many ovens is too many ovens?

[sand goblet]

hmm

four.

no, five.

[gentle moss]

:D

:D

[sand goblet]

I have legit had a use for 4 ovens

my grandma has 4

[storm elm]

there is rice porridge called congee or 粥

[wet steppe]

I've never heard of wheatmeal

[gentle moss]

it'd be nice but just plan your cooking better and 2 is probably fine

[storm elm]

rice porridge is tasty

[gentle moss]

having 5 ovens is just bad because it's an uneven number

[vague shuttle]

Have u heard of a cheatmeaL?

[sand goblet]

that's the problem

[gentle moss]

you need another oven to go next to it

[sand goblet]

you plan your cooking so well

that everything takes the same time

[tame terrace]

might be different kinds of ovens?

[sand goblet]

and then you don't have enough ovens

[gentle moss]

well if you're going to have four ovens for different oven types why not get a pizza oven?

[summer rampart]

maybe they're four doors to the same oven?

[wet steppe]

I heard of cornmeal
but it was for chickens to eat

[vague shuttle]

one might be gas, one might be wood, one might electric etc.. Ever thought of that?

[tame terrace]

I mean they look similar but maybe it's like an air fryer and a microwave and they just look the same.

[gentle moss]

wtf is an air fryer

[storm elm]

sometimes they even put preserved egg and pork in

[sand goblet]

oh I have an air fryer

it's why I don't need 3 ovens

[storm elm]

tastes like chicken noodle soup

[tame terrace]

it's this fancy new thing the kids are doing

[gentle moss]

how do you fry things with air

[sand goblet]

it's a convection oven

[gentle moss]

can i do it with my heat gun?

[sand goblet]

but you have a basket

that you shake like a fryer

[summer rampart]

can I do it with my hair dryer?

[gentle moss]

can i use it like a normal fryer?

[sand goblet]

basically

except you can't put oil in it

[gentle moss]

battered fish?

[sand goblet]

because it'll go fucking everywhere

no

[gentle moss]

oh

[tame terrace]

supposedly it makes very good fries.

[gentle moss]

hmm

i can imagine

[sand goblet]

it does

[gentle moss]

like non greasy

[tame terrace]

sorry, in british those are called GRAVYLESS POTATO CHIPPERS

I didn't mean to confuse you

[rough sapphire]

catching up here... it's likely the top 2 are grill/oven combos.

[sand goblet]

all ovens are like that here

[gentle moss]

i mean if your house ever gets cold

you could always just put all 4 ovens on and open the doors

i like the dudes hob though

[tame terrace]

I read that as hbo

[gentle moss]

:D

[tame terrace]

this guy has the best HBO

[gentle moss]

Human Body Odour

[vague shuttle]

Guys guys

What is the best invention in human history?

[gentle moss]

lathe.

[sand goblet]

pretty similar to my hob

but smaller

Gas hobs are the best, change my mind

[tame terrace]

best invention? cheese slicer.

[vague shuttle]

Really @gentle moss ? Is that the best invention u can come up with

[gentle moss]

huh?

[vague shuttle]

Now @tame terrace he is on the right track

[gentle moss]

are you kidding? the lathe is responsible for precision engineering

couldn't mass produce cheese slicers without the lathe

[summer rampart]

the best invention is the trebuchet, change my mind

[tame terrace]

yeah well the ostehøvel is responsible for precision cheese slicing

[vague shuttle]

And the cheese slicer is responsible for feeding those engineers!

[gentle moss]

cheese lathe

[vague shuttle]

@summer rampart Good input but it is designed to kill people

[rough sapphire]

I would say the telegraph

[sand goblet]

there are food lathes

[summer rampart]

but a cheese slicer can't launch 90kg projectiles over 300 meters

[tame terrace]

in human history.

but this is the worst invention:

[gentle moss]

haha

[tame terrace]

what the fuck were they thinking here

[gentle moss]

for when you want to feel like you're shooting your cheese

[summer rampart]

ergonomics

[wooden silo]

The electronic spreadsheet

[sand goblet]

that looks like it belongs in a car

[vague shuttle]

Im gonna be the usual swede lover that I am

The tree point belt

[sand goblet]

well dementati have I got news for you

I know one of the daughters of the guy that invented excel

unfortunately she wasn't quite as smart and ran a competing shop against us, deciding to buy all her stock off of amazon

[vague shuttle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt

[sand goblet]

didn't last long

[wooden silo]

Did he invent excel or visicalc?

[sand goblet]

excel

[wooden silo]

Oh, ok, not as cool, but still.

[tame terrace]

serious answer, maybe the printing press.

[sand goblet]

yeah, not as cool

but hey

[vague shuttle]

Good input aswell

Im still going strong on swedish inventions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrench

[wooden silo]

The electronic spreadsheet isn't up there with some of them, but it was pretty revolutionary

[languid kelp]

its 2019, shouldn't we have new seatbelts by now?

[sand goblet]

I knew a guy that used to calls those wenches

[storm elm]

why not the digital computer?

[sand goblet]

Maybe his dad was a pirate

[wooden silo]

Probably one of the main reasons why we have personal computers today

[storm elm]

oh oh, I'll have to change my answer to beds

[wooden silo]

Von Neumann machines.

[storm elm]

beds are the best invention

[sand goblet]

I admit that beds are great

[storm elm]

imagine having to sleep on hay or the floor

[sand goblet]

but I think that the scientific method was one of our best inventions

[wooden silo]

The von Neumann architecture is pretty magical.

[tame terrace]

isn't that more like most important invention of future history?

[sand goblet]

future history?

I don't know if that works

lol

we are all future history

[tame terrace]

it works.

[sand goblet]

this conversation is future history

my hair is future history

probably

[tame terrace]

yes, but so is your hair in ten years

baldy

[summer rampart]

we're always stuck in the past though, literally

[sand goblet]

haha

[tame terrace]

yes. because of brain input lag

[sand goblet]

good thing it isn't noticeable lag :>

[tame terrace]

obviously by definition it wouldn't be

[vague shuttle]

Hey guys, can we only mention inventions that come from our country?

Like
Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamite

[sand goblet]

that's the joke

[tame terrace]

yeah good job alfred

you did it

I already mentioned the cheese slicer, which is a norwegian invention

[sand goblet]

oh, dynamite is swedish

so it goes BFOFOFM?

[tame terrace]

we also invented the pressurized spray bottle

[vague shuttle]

I do not understand that joke

[summer rampart]

you did a bang up job al

[sand goblet]

it's a reference to that dumbass haskell video

[vague shuttle]

ah

[tame terrace]

I like that video

[sand goblet]

such a good video

xD

[summer rampart]

pls link, or is it called dumbass haskell video?

[storm elm]

the Kalmar union was a pretty good invention

[tame terrace]

oh and I think the paperclip is a norwegian invention

[sand goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqvCNb7fKsg

[vague shuttle]

Another great swede

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Linnaeus

[languid kelp]

Black box flight recorder, wifi, penicillin, google maps (australia)

[storm elm]

🇩🇰 > 🇸🇪

[oak tangle]

we probably don't have that many inventors or inventions in our history

[vague shuttle]

Hahah sure

lol, good try @storm elm

[oak tangle]

but I'd have to check

[summer rampart]

first 5 seconds
aboat

[sand goblet]

hey man, more of us are inventors than you think

[sand goblet]

especially programmers lol

[tame terrace]

oh yeah the dutch never invented anything

[languid kelp]

wifi? 🤔

[sand goblet]

yeah nobody uses any of those lemon what're you talking about

[gentle moss]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries

scotland cornered the market in inventing / discovering shit for some reason

that's why they've put their feet up and live off shortbread and heroin now

[tame terrace]

wow. they basically invented inventions

[sand goblet]

scotland cornered the market in deep frying everything

[storm elm]

@tame terrace I feel like wifi was largely not a dutch invention but maybe i'm wrong

[gentle moss]

well when you've invented everything else gdude

what else is there left to do?

[sand goblet]

DEEP FRY AN ENTIRE TURKEY

[tame terrace]

oh okay, guys

guys

stop everything

brandod feels wifi wasn't invented by the dutch

[sand goblet]

sudo shutdown now

[storm elm]

actually several of those inventions i don't think are majority dutch

I mean i might be wrong

[vague shuttle]

Skype, Minecraft, Spotify only to mention a few swedish companies

[storm elm]

that's why i didn't state it as a fact

[sand goblet]

Minecraft isn't a company

[oak tangle]

you can define "The invention of" in several ways, of course

[vague shuttle]

Oh sry

Mojang

[sand goblet]

you're thinking of Mojang

:P

[tame terrace]

the truth is that most major inventions were invented by many people from many countries at roughly the same time

but one person usually gets the credit

[gentle moss]

except the lathe

[tame terrace]

haha

[oak tangle]

or multiple, but one in every region

[vague shuttle]

Not true when it comes to sweden, we are the best. Nr.1

[tame terrace]

who invented the lathe

[gentle moss]

french dude

[storm elm]

lol

[gentle moss]

i think

[tame terrace]

Network scientists Victor Hayes and Cees Links laid the basis for WaveLAN, which would later become Wi-Fi in Nieuwegein.

[wet steppe]

4G > Wifi

[gentle moss]

like the metal lathe, not the wood lathe

the wood lathe is like thousands of years old

[sand goblet]

all this time and wifi is still kind of shit

sadface

[sand goblet]

oh hey

[gentle moss]

the sadface of the dude who invented the metal lathe

[sand goblet]

it's the inventor of wifi

[wet steppe]

All wifi is garbage yeah

[tame terrace]

so you don't think five other people invented the metal lathe?

[oak tangle]

that's not an old photo, g

[wet steppe]

I don't use wifi at all

[tame terrace]

wifi isn't garbage, you'er both garbage.

[oak tangle]

we still dress like that

[storm elm]

anyway the netherlands is cool i am just doubtful of that list's correctness

[wet steppe]

I wire my computers in

[gentle moss]

i guess like many people could have done a lathe

[sand goblet]

wifi is pretty garbage

[vague shuttle]

Wi-fi is not garbage, it is the person installing it that is garbage

[gentle moss]

but we still have that dudes lathe

[sand goblet]

I mean it requires that everything be transmitted twice

surely we can do better than that

[wet steppe]

I haven't used wifi in 2019

[storm elm]

I almost worked in the netherlands but the costs outweighed what i would make 😦

[tame terrace]

I don't know what you want from wifi if you think it's "garbage"

[storm elm]

wifi is pretty good nowadays

[oak tangle]

So, which ones do you doubt, Brandod?

[tame terrace]

if set up correctly and using the latest 802.11 standards, it's very fast and reliable.

[sand goblet]

it's pretty good compared to what it used to be like

[wet steppe]

Wifi lag -> lose fortnite game

[vague shuttle]

Pretty good?!?

That is a insult to what it is today

[sand goblet]

but I can't help but feel like it could be a loooooooooooot better

[tame terrace]

you all feel a great deal

[summer rampart]

man that video is great

taught me swedish

hfeflflfo gfufyfs

[storm elm]

@oak tangle wifi, bluetooth, cds and so on, and fair trade

[gentle moss]

:D

[wet steppe]

I feel like wifi belongs in the bin

[lilac glade]

@tame terrace I feel with my hands. Does that count?

[storm elm]

fair trade is definitely not an invention in the first place

[vague shuttle]

Its sucks aswell either way

(fair trade)

[oak tangle]

@storm elm cds and so on were mostly created in the research labs in Eindhoven, by Philips and Sony (sometimes in collaboration)

[tame terrace]

@lilac glade it was enough for your mom

[sand goblet]

I don't feel enough, tbh

:v

[wet steppe]

For real though
I don't understand people who have a desktop and don't use an ethernet cable

[sand goblet]

oh someone else made that joke

[tame terrace]

it's not always that easy

[storm elm]

but to claim that as one country's achievement especially principally the Netherlands seems inaccurate@oak tangle

[sand goblet]

yeah, it's not

reels of ethernet are expensive

[wet steppe]

Whyyy

[oak tangle]

Why, brandod?

[tame terrace]

it's expensive to wire up a house

[oak tangle]

You can say the same for many inventions in history

[storm elm]

@oak tangle ok but it still holds true

[sand goblet]

you don't always have to wire up a whole house

but yeah

[oak tangle]

We all claim them because they were developed in that country

[sand goblet]

I mean, as if I can talk, we did

[oak tangle]

not by a government project or anything

most of the researchers involved in those labs were dutch

[sand goblet]

but wifi does have a lot of issues

it's insecure, it requires double transmission, it's prone to interferance

[storm elm]

as far as i know the japanese were largely responsible but i'll look it up

[sand goblet]

some people think that microwaves don't cause wifi problems

they sure can

lol

[vague shuttle]

In the end cant we all just agree that Sweden is Nr.1 when it comes to inventions?

[tame terrace]

I didn't mean the entire house, but I do need to wire up an outlet near each of the computers. it's on my list of things to do but meanwhile I've been using 802.11ac in our house for a year with practically zero issues

and microwaves are only a thing on the 2.4GHz spectrum

[vague shuttle]

@sand goblet Ofcourse putting a hotspot in the microwave is never a good idea

[gentle moss]

microwaves sure do cause problems

[sand goblet]

hahaha

dammit gal

[gentle moss]

especially if it's a poorly maintained one

which has RADIATION LEAKS

:OOOOOO

[storm elm]

@oak tangle ok I'll have to give you CDs i was wrong about that but wifi does not seem to be mostly a dutch invention

[wet steppe]

Microwaves make my food too hot 😠

[gentle moss]

we have to PAT test some microwaves when we're doing yearly appliance checks, we have a radiation leakage detection machine or w/e

[sand goblet]

honestly the biggest problem with wifi is security

and I'm not talking about hotspots

[tame terrace]

modern routers operating on 5.0GHz or even multiband have auto-channel software that's usually good enough to avoid interference altogether

[vague shuttle]

Yes I can agree with that and be serious at the same time @sand goblet

[gentle moss]

yeah, some of that channel hopping stuff is smart

[sand goblet]

all currently supported forms of wireless encryption have been broken

[tame terrace]

5.0GHz have a lot more channels than 2.4GHz too

[sand goblet]

as have the new standards we can't even use yet

[gentle moss]

i still see in our building though nearly all access points / routers spitting out channel 1, 6 or 11

[wet steppe]

My router has 2 bands it has one called 2g and one called 5g @tame terrace

[languid kelp]

since we're roughly on the topic,

[sand goblet]

the fritzbox we have actually has a really nice channel viewer

[tame terrace]

yes apex

most modern ones do

[languid kelp]

if a person has access to a wifi network, how secure are individual PCs on that network?

[wet steppe]

Is 2g 2.4ghz

[tame terrace]

yes

[sand goblet]

only as secure as their individual configurations

[vague shuttle]

Well to be fair 5.0 we can use

[wet steppe]

Some phones can't use 5ghz wifi :O

[tame terrace]

5g has better throughput and less chance of interference

2.4 has better range

[vague shuttle]

y

[sand goblet]

ARP poisoning is still a huge deal on public networks

I would never use public wifi without a VPN

[gentle moss]

@languid kelp they might as well be plugged in

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[languid kelp]

@gentle moss ?? really

[sand goblet]

incidentally, ARP poisoning is how many parental control devices work

[languid kelp]

i mean, they're plugged into what though

[gentle moss]

the LAN

[sand goblet]

which makes them laughably easy to bypass

[vague shuttle]

Ok guys serious question

[storm elm]

my router's setup labeled the bands backwards so my 2.4ghz wifi runs at 5 ghz and the 5 ghz at 2.4. I'm too lazy and my family doesn't care so i guess it'll stay that way

[tame terrace]

security is a problem, though. sure. I'm also weary of public wifi. I don't really fear hackers in the yard.

[vague shuttle]

Does anyone here actually work?

[gentle moss]

lol

yes.

[sand goblet]

I've seen drones around here lemon

[vague shuttle]

Im not talking employement

[languid kelp]

sure. but the LAN is just to share internet... not files that are not explicitly shared .. right?

[sand goblet]

it's a possibility

[vague shuttle]

I mean actively working

[gentle moss]

it's my days off

[tame terrace]

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying I'm not worried about it.

[gentle moss]

:P

[tame terrace]

besides, this is norway. we're nice here.

[sand goblet]

when I say that, I mean there were drones over our house that were associated with criminal activity

[storm elm]

I'm in uni so i just tutor people and do projects. not sure if that counts as working

[gentle moss]

but even at work it's like sysadmin / tech support stuff so there's a lot of free time to chat shit.

perks of working in tech

[vestal briar]

Hmm?

[storm elm]

I want to be a sysadmin

hard to get a position to start off though

[sand goblet]

rather you than me

[languid kelp]

i'm asking if its easy to escalating privileges once a person has WIFI access

to a private network

[vague shuttle]

@tame terrace I remember a time tho when u wanted to become a independent nation and suddenly after we grant u it u discover oil.. That wasnt so nice now was it?

[sand goblet]

depends on the network

depends on the machines on it

[storm elm]

my uni's sysadmin tried to hire me twice but the uni merged the it departments and closed the position 😦

[gentle moss]

i started in tech support and just worked up until i was building / in charge of shit

small company though

[vague shuttle]

I applied for a similiar job last night, number of employees are 6

So small

and its a support job

[sand goblet]

my company needs devops but not sysadmins

the future is here, today!

[storm elm]

my only real tech job so far was doing IT work at the EPA over a winter and summer break

government IT is very boring

[gentle moss]

so is school IT

[vague shuttle]

My only real IT job so far was IT support at Volvo, I quit 2 months in because of a jerk

[gentle moss]

i work for a company does business to business

so diverse environments / problems

[storm elm]

well working for the government in a non-competitive environment means when your tasks run out you just show up and sit there for 8 hours

I ran out of stuff to watch on netflix and youtube for a while

[sand goblet]

good reason to buy a switch

[tame terrace]

@vague shuttle worked out well for us

[vague shuttle]

Lol, when I started at volvo support it was vacation time. So we got a total of 5 phone calls in a week

[storm elm]

working there made me feel upset about sending money to government organizations

[vague shuttle]

@tame terrace it sure did, left us to rot tho. Now Sweden is just a bunch of group hugging hippies not caring for their own country

[storm elm]

most of the employees did nothing all day and i asked for extra work but my boss didn't like that

[tame terrace]

"group hugging hippies", wow

you must be fun at parties

[storm elm]

do you like that surstrumming stuff or w/e?

[sand goblet]

is this another reference to the hen/han/hun controversy?

[vague shuttle]

Id like to think so, I usually spend the night pointing out to girls how they should not take that extra tequila shot and get so drunk they go home with the first boy they see.

[tame terrace]

well aren't they lucky to have you

[vague shuttle]

Never tried or even smelled surströmming yet @storm elm

@sand goblet and no not really, just some politicians being idiots. Like the feministic party we have, they wanted to dismantle the army and replace it with some vocal something something force

[storm elm]

tequila smells of vomit

[sand goblet]

I think you'll find that vomit smells of tequila

[storm elm]

I'd much rather have vodka or rum

[gentle moss]

haha

[sand goblet]

xD

[wet steppe]

Tequila is nice
At Mexican restaurant

[sand goblet]

@vague shuttle Do they want women in the army, or are they replacing the concept of having a defended country?

[storm elm]

which one?

[vague shuttle]

They want to replace a army of force and violence with a army of dialogue basically

[sand goblet]

haha good luck with that

[vague shuttle]

Women in the army we have had a good while

[sand goblet]

great way to get yourselves annexed

[gentle moss]

and also something no nation would do

"so we've got this idea, we're gonna stick megaphones at the border and politely ask russia to fuck off"

[storm elm]

I think they ruled that excluding women from the draft in the US is unconstitutional

[sand goblet]

they did, yeah

[vague shuttle]

@sand goblet This is even our armys latest campaign, https://www.svd.se/forsvarets-nya-kampanj-vacker-reaktioner

(Didnt find the official ad) But it basically is a picture of that women with a text that says "Come as you are"

[gentle moss]

good song

[sand goblet]

Seems like a good campaign

[gentle moss]

and tbh not wars are better than wars

[vague shuttle]

Yes I agree, as do many other people @sand goblet

too bad I cant join the army, I have wanted to. Even tried to volunteer

[tame terrace]

so, what's wrong with this exactly?

[vague shuttle]

That is the price u pay for asthma and pollen.

With the ad? @tame terrace ?

[tame terrace]

yes? what's your point

[vague shuttle]

I simply said to @sand goblet that we have had women in the army for a long time, and this is a recent ad that försvarsmakten has started.

[tame terrace]

ohhh

right

sorry, yeah that makes sense

[gentle moss]

well tbh you did just say feminists wanted to replace the army with some megaphones

[tame terrace]

sorry?

[gentle moss]

so idk man

[tame terrace]

am I the mister white knight in that statement?

[vague shuttle]

@gentle moss Yes, but fortunately they have no influence in politics.

And it's a stupid idea

@tame terrace I feel like we are going in a bad direction here so Im just gonna remove the comment instead.

[tame terrace]

that might be wise.

[wet steppe]

You kinda need an army 👀

[vague shuttle]

Say that to https://feministisktinitiativ.se

[wet steppe]

I don't understand their position

How do they stop invasions

[vague shuttle]

If this wasnt a modern society darwin would have taken effect a long time ago on those people

[gentle moss]

"Stop all arms production and arms exports"

that's a good thing

[wet steppe]

No, arm exports to western europe are fine and ethical

It depends on the export target

[vague shuttle]

Well sorta, I would not like them to export to middle eastern countries as we have done

other countries are for the most part fine