guy
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
vapid bluff
sup
sand goblet
guyses
stark prawn
It's educational.
rough sapphire
you have to do a pathway
its fucking pidd though i did one before
multiple choice quizes
stark prawn
Aka we hope you'll pay after school when you are working.
proper dune
GCP has a 100 times better interface
rough sapphire
and better docs
proper dune
sometimes I think AWS is only as confusing as it is so they can sell more AWS certifications
rough sapphire
simple how do you do a vpc on aws.. see you in an hour when you get it right...
how do you do it on gcp it literally takes 2 minutes because there ui is so clean and everything jus works
sand goblet
Isn't GCP basically just k8s?
vapid bluff
does gcp have a free version
rough sapphire
yes
vapid bluff
like the 1 year on aws
rough sapphire
for 1 year
vapid bluff
noice
rough sapphire
300$
proper dune
I havent seen much difference in prices between the two but I basically only really use similar GPU instances on both
rough sapphire
instant 300$ or its like 250โฌ
and if you are doing a thesis you can apply for upto like 5k$
vapid bluff
welp now i know what to do when my aws trial runs out ๐
proper dune
Does bachelor's thesis count?
proper dune
๐ I probably wont even need the $$ but free 5K is pretty yeet
rough sapphire
i need lots of ml servers for my idea lol
proper dune
I can be running machine learning instances literally 24/7 for the whole year
rough sapphire
I had loads of shit running on it before mine ran out
wireguard vpn...
7 websites...
part of my black seo...
sand goblet
Always Free *
- May not always be free
proper dune
@rough sapphire definitely does cover it 24/7 for the whole year given you're getting the RI pricing with AWS
just need to keep cost under $0.57 an hour which is possible with the single GPU instances with nice pricing
rough sapphire
my biggest problem with aws was why the fuck is the default server location oregon
4979.52
proper dune
lol AWS regions trip me up every time i use it
"wait wtf, where did my machines go. oooooh wait i was in the sydney region"
sullen thorn
gcp also gives you free stuffs ๐ (in terms of money to spend on anything, not just a free single core server)
@proper dune or anyone else (tagging him specifically cuz i swear he knows random stuff like this), any chance you know how to use flex/bison, or lemon? (not necessarily for python stuff, just in general)
proper dune
parser generators are one of the few things I havent used :P i have written my own parsers but heard bad things about generators
recursive parsers are really nice to use and write
sullen thorn
oh
damn found something you havent used :/
i mean i wrote a very simple parser, but it relies on the formatting being perfect, there not being any comments, and it cant fully parse everything in the language (kinda just skips the stuff it cant parse)
and i figured since im gonna rewrite it so it can consume the whole language, i figured id do it properly
sullen thorn
wow nice ๐
sand goblet
minikube's terminal app has emoji for some reason
sand goblet
even more
stark prawn
We don't know yet.
In the next 2 years the members will have to create laws to implement it.
worn kite
and maybe notice that it doesn't work this way... ๐
sullen thorn
ok that doesnt sound too bad
tired osprey
thats what they said about gdpr
and then we had this chaos and now some sites are simply blocking any european IP
sand goblet
they were still right about it
the sites that block themselves were never even close to being GDPR-copmliant
do you really want to visit them?
dusky orchid
can't i just put a thing on there saying "id you're from eu pls don't visit"
and then ignore it all
tired osprey
i did in fact once want to visit some chicago news paper who let pop a banner up basically saying youre from the EU youre not getting in here
dusky orchid
sounds fine
sinful copper
I've never understood the point of sites blocking European users
like, if you don't have any assets that EU courts can reach can't you just, not comply?
gentle moss
they don't want to land in a GDPR hell hole
if they happen to saaaayyyy
have edge servers
in europe
or they use a provider that does
i mean that's just the bluntest way to avoid having to deal with GDPR
pulsar oyster
hey guys just wondering, are the $60 aud ardino kits actually good
stark prawn
I have yet to encounter any sites doing that.
pulsar oyster
considering to buy one
tired osprey
yes
sand goblet
but I'm not annoyed with the EU, I'm annoyed with the site
pulsar oyster
i mean off ebay too sorry
gentle moss
same gdude
gentle moss
i WANT to read local american news sites
stark prawn
With autoplay video etc, the real experience
vestal briar
Mm
rough sapphire
did EU ban memes
rough sapphire
le gasp
stark prawn
cosmic quiver
@rough sapphire no and it never was going to
vapid bluff
i have a weird unknown device on my network. what's the best way to figure out what it is?
vapid bluff
thanks ill check that out
yep, home network
i just noticed it in the router settings page
lone otter
Assuming you're not on a subnetted network and your ip is 192.168.0.11, you should be able to sudo nmap -sV "192.168.0.*"
You'll get a list of connected devices, services running on them, and a good guess of what the device is
vapid bluff
hmm
is it supposed to take a while?
Starting Nmap 7.70 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2019-03-27 22:37 New Zealand Daylight Time I got that and then it's just blank
not outputting anything else
lone otter
You can press any key to see progress
vapid bluff
got it, ty
rough sapphire
the EU banned memes!!
I thought it was just a hoax.. but plenty of memes from EU on facebook are censored!!!!!
omg
gentle moss
fvcgbhjnmk,l.kjhngvfcvgjnmklkjmnhjhnmk,lmlk,
that's what you get when you smash your head into a keyboard at people
rough sapphire
this is horrible..
gentle moss
are you a lawyer?
rough sapphire
I see comments on pages based in EU that I follow on fb.. they're censoring most of the memes.. it's like a dictatorship
rough sapphire
not at all..
gentle moss
have you read the transcripts of the debates in EU parliament?
rough sapphire
no.. but I do see that they've started censoring memes.. and that's concerning
rough sapphire
I'm serious.. I didn't take a screenshot.. but I will next time
I was wondering how they were going to ban certain memes.. It's crazy
rough sapphire
Idk man.. and Idc..
gentle moss
wow
go grab ur guns boyz! dems a comin fer us! INTO ZE BUNKER!
i thought i was paranoid.
rough sapphire
and this happened
which is pretty cool.. so here's an unrelated meme
Classic
rough sapphire
I leave you to your brexit.. laughs in freedom
oak tangle
The interesting thing is that the article won't come into effect for another two years, so anything you see today is not really related to the article
It's probably people protesting it after the fact
grave phoenix
dusky orchid
or just trolling
oak tangle
That as well
rough sapphire
I am concerned... how can they selectively censor certain images
dusky orchid
because they know there's people who don't know the details who are willing to spread it around without looking into it further
rough sapphire
wait.. let me post screenshot
ok.. I can't seem to find the comments now.. but they were on a page called LadBible that's based out of the UK..
usual people tagging their friends with memes.. except some images were greyed out..
oak tangle
Memes don't even fall under article 13, because of the "for purposes of quotation, criticism, review, caricature, parody and pastiche" exemption
rough sapphire
ok.. that sounds reassuring.. maybe it's my internet and I'm just paranoid...
oak tangle
I think there are reasons to be concerned about this article, but a lot of people just meme about the banning of memes
It's what the internet does
The thing I worry most about is that companies are basically required to implement upload filters and the examples we have of implementations (e.g., YouTube) are all overeager and err on the side of caution for the copyright holders.
rough sapphire
what sort of filters..
oak tangle
So, a lot of what should be allowed (educational, covers, whatever) is blocked automatically and the appeal process is biased
rough sapphire
so the companies have to appeal to some EU committee?
oak tangle
No, the internal appeal of that company
Say your video gets blocked by YT filters and you want to appeal that
Right now, the copyright holder plays a major role in that appeal process and they usually have nothing to gain from releasing the block and some notoriously won't, even if the use is okay according to law
Or, at least, is probably okay
ANyway, this filter was already in place
But, if this is what other filters will look like, they may be "overeager" as well
rough sapphire
yeah.. but the appeals for YT videos has always been roundabout and hectic..
they once took off a video of mine cuz there were ten seconds of music playing in the background at some random time..
not sure if it counted as a strike but youtubers are always cautious because of the 3 strikes thing..
oak tangle
Yeah, so that's what I mean. If that's a model for how it's going to be everywhere, then it will not be pleasant
gentle moss
The largest problem with the whole damn thing is that there will probably end up being one single company that monitors all the content to match
and false positives are already common
the internet always adapt, i wouldn't worry about it
river anvil
imagine being in the EU right now
tame terrace
half of this community are in the EU, not sure what your point is @river anvil
sand goblet
I'm not super worried about it either
tame terrace
not sure that means what you think it means.
sinful copper
memes are illegal in the EU now, aren't they
tame terrace
no Random is right.
stark prawn
Someone I know went to prison for 4 months after being found guilty of possesion of memes.
sand goblet
I know you guys are shitposting, but some people do actually think this :P
river anvil
meme torrent sites
oak tangle
I've got a couple of "comics" in my trunk, if anyone's interested.
They'll cost you, but they're funny and rare
sinful copper
er what
sand goblet
haha, I can just imagine walking down the street
seeing ves in a trenchcoat at the end of a seedy alley
sinful copper
the point is, many memes use copyrighted images
river anvil
๐ต
sand goblet
you walk over and he opens his coat, and it's full of pepes
@sinful copper it doesn't apply to individuals
sinful copper
and even for those that don't, sites are being required to implement automatic filtering
it applies to the sites individuals post on
sinful copper
if Twitter can get sued for letting people post memes, they're not going to let anyone post memes
oak tangle
But, that's not true
sinful copper
so I don't give a shit it doesn't "apply to individuals"
river anvil
theres a difference between memes and copyrighted work
oak tangle
There's an exemption for exactly that purpose in the article
river anvil
some memes contain copyrighted work
sand goblet
I mean, you guys realise that they specifically had a press release about this right
river anvil
some dont
sand goblet
explaining exactly how and why it doesn't make memes illegal
river anvil
is creative commons still a thing?
sinful copper
ok regardless of the legality of memes specifically
sand goblet
of course it is, kazo
sinful copper
the auto filtering requirement places an excessively onerous burden on sites that allow user-generated multimedia content at all
sand goblet
Yes it does
river anvil
oh so what has changed exactly
sinful copper
which means that most sites just won't, and those that do will have unappealable algorithms delete your stuff
sand goblet
well, no, I doubt that
that's going to the extreme
what's probably going to happen is that some companies will spring up that offer filtering services
river anvil
i think theyll just have algos like the youtube ones that auto age strict or demonitize videos based off of whether or not they think it should be
and then youll have the potential to appeal it
sinful copper
"you're not allowed to post links to news articles" isn't true either, but there's no clear distinction between "site that allows users to post links to news articles" and the commercial news aggregators that that section of the law is intended to target.
sand goblet
I mean, that's an entirely different issue
I'm a lot less interested in that one because it'll be shot down if it actually is the case
sinful copper
and not being forbidden from doing something doesn't really matter if there's nowhere I can post that isn't forbidden from letting me do it
sand goblet
While the text of the agreement is now final, the individual countries can still delay or block it
it's not quite over yet lol
also sure, but is anyone going to use an aggregator that doesn't let you aggregate?
is reddit going to stop you posting links to the daily mail?
I don't think so
r/funny has to get their content from somewhere
river anvil
so what exactly is article 13 doing?
sand goblet
well before I answer that
you should know that it's actually Article 17 now
Here's the actual final text, http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-8-2018-0245-AM-271-271_EN.pdf
all 148 pages of the proposition
article 17 has a few parts, but this is the important stuff
Member States shall provide that an online content-sharing service provider performs an act of communication to the public or an act of making available to the public for the purposes of this Directive when it gives the public access to copyright-protected works or other protected subject matter uploaded by its users.
An online content-sharing service provider shall therefore obtain an authorisation from the rightholders referred to in Article 3(1) and (2) of Directive 2001/29/EC, for instance by concluding a licensing agreement, in order to communicate to the public or make available to the public works or other subject matter
Member Statesshall provide that, where an online content-sharing service provider obtains an authorisation, for instance by concluding a licensing agreement, that authorisation shall also cover acts carried out by users of the services falling within the scope of Article 3 of Directive 2001/29/EC when they are not acting on a commercial basis or where their activity does not generate significant revenues.
If no authorisation is granted, online content-sharing service providers shall be liable for unauthorised acts of communication to the public, including making available to the public, of copyright-protected works and other subject matter, unless the service providers demonstrate that they have:
(a) made best efforts to obtain an authorisation, and
(b) made, in accordance with high industry standards of professional diligence, best efforts to ensure the unavailability of specific works and other subject matter for which the rightholders have provided the service providers with the relevant and necessary information; and in any event
(c) acted expeditiously, upon receiving a sufficiently substantiated notice from the rightholders, to disable access to, or to remove from, their websites the notified works or other subject matter, and made best efforts to prevent their future uploads in accordance with point (b).
there's a lot more than this, but you get the gist of it
it's worth reading the entire article yourself if you're interested
river anvil
just looks like lawyer babble to me
sand goblet
point 5 is very interesting
In determining whether the service provider has complied with its obligations under paragraph 4, and in light of the principle of proportionality, the following elements, among others, shall be taken into account:
(a) the type, the audience and the size of the service and the type of works or other subject matter uploaded by the users of the service; and
(b) the availability of suitable and effective means and their cost for service providers.
this stuff is expanded upon a bit, but basically what this means is that smaller services will likely not have to worry about this, and services that are unable to afford the filtering services will also likely be excempt
later on, it points out that you only need to worry about filtering if you have more than 5 million users per month
Where the average number of monthly unique visitors of such service providers exceeds 5 million, calculated on the basis of the previous calendar year, they shall also demonstrate that they have made best efforts to prevent further uploads of the notified works and other subject matter for which the rightholders have provided relevant and necessary information
it states that if your service is less than 3 years old and has an annual turnover of less than 10 million euros, it also only has to remove content when notified
... in respect of new online content-sharing service providers the services of which have been available to the public in the Union for less than three years and which have an annual turnover below EUR 10 million, calculated in accordance with Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC20, the conditions under the liability regime set out in paragraph 4 are limited to compliance with point (a) of paragraph 4 and to acting expeditiously, upon receiving a sufficiently substantiated notice, to disable access to the notified works or other subject matter or to remove those works or other subject matter from their websites
paragraph 7 may also be of particular interest to @sinful copper
The cooperation between online content-sharing service providers and rightholders shall not result in the prevention of the availability of works or other subject matter uploaded by users, which do not infringe copyright and related rights, including where such works or other subject matter are covered by an exception or limitation
no dodgy filters.
Basically what the above is saying that filters should not produce false positives
and that false negatives are OK if reasonable effort is going towards working on them
I'm not a lawyer obviously, but the text isn't that hard to glean
I've gotta finish up here and go home from work, so you guys can peruse the text yourselves
the tl;dr is that this isn't nearly as bad as people think it is
when is that ever not the case, eh?
cosmic quiver
I honestly still think that the whole kneejerk reaction against it started from someone saying that art 13 will kill the internet and then like 10% of their audience thinking its true then perpetuating it forward
then it just became a meme
There's a short Q&A I posted yesterday and ironically enough it makes memes more legal than ever to be posted
it makes it easier for youtubers to handle false copyright claims
It's literally everything everyone on the internet has been whining for
It makes the fair use laws more rigid
cosmic quiver
ye
It's not perfect because there are some vague wordings that are up for the european court to decide on a case by case basis
but like
shell blade
when you init git on a django project for the first time does usually take awhile?
cosmic quiver
no
shell blade
uh oh
cosmic quiver
are you stuck in git init lol
shell blade
it's loading so muc stuff
shell blade
yeah
cosmic quiver
what does it say
lone otter
Did you mean -A
lone otter
Is it a particularly large django project?
sand goblet
Whassat
lone otter
--all
shell blade
no its new
sand goblet
Ah
lone otter
huh
sand goblet
Do you have your virtualenv gitignored?
shell blade
no
sand goblet
So.. Are you also adding it to git?
shell blade
ohh yeah it looks like it
shy aspen
that'll do it. ๐
sand goblet
:P
gentle moss
git ignore plugin for pycharm is nice
shell blade
git reset then i think
shell blade
rm - rf .git?
lone otter
yeah git reset should work
shell blade
kk
git is so interesting when your new
what else do you usually put in your gitignore file?
stark prawn
I usually copy the template ones from github
sand goblet
the .idea folder
shell blade
oh ok really k
sand goblet
the gitignore plugin for pycharm can generate a gitignore as well
it's a really nice plugin
shell blade
yeah i'm trying to make sure i have the command line down first before using pycharm since Shaffer told me to do that
lone otter
Yeah github's gitignores are useful
gentle moss
the pycharm plugin really is helpful for ignore files
makes adding / removing stuff from ignore quite easy
lone otter
lol
shell blade
so yeah that worked perfectly thanks guys!
sand goblet
:>
sonic night
hey @rigid basin, u wanted to help me before in a thing, just asking if u here 
Integrated the problem into 1 test file too.
sullen thorn
reddit?
vestal briar
Yeah
sullen thorn
lol - but yeah i agree its pretty awesome
vestal briar
Billionare one
sonic night
purrfect building ๐
vestal briar
Clould be just a "hip" building without the handles ane like some green grass roof
Also :(
rough sapphire
???
rough sapphire
nested ternary operators
sand goblet
You don't say
rough sapphire
but systemct1 doesnt make any sense
sand goblet
Yeah, it doesn't
rough sapphire
systemcontrol?
sand goblet
System control, yeah
rough sapphire
see I didnt even know what it does.. you could guess
river anvil
do you use linux
rough sapphire
yeah.. for running python
river anvil
see, i dont
and you also have the knowledge that it was actually ctl not ct1
which i did not
rough sapphire
but I've never used systemctl .. dont even know what it does
rough sapphire
that's what she said
river anvil
i told you what it is
while i had no clue what it was
the font make it look like a 1
rough sapphire
change the font
rough sapphire
why would it be ct1 ?
also 1 and l look different
lI <--- which one is L and which one is I ?
rough sapphire
wow.. I'm blind..lol
see I could never tell that.. like ever..
I think thats the case for most people..
does anyone use Line here? you know those usual QR codes you can use to add friends? Line has ultrasonic sound to do that too..
saying cuz most people cant hear that ..some can..
rough sapphire
sl -alFc | lolcat -t
river anvil
ill take things people have never said for 500
river anvil
i watched one
and i couldnt watch it
it was terrible
everyone ive met has said they dont like adam sandler or indifferent
lilac glade
...what is that?
lilac glade
So that's normal?
stark prawn
No
lilac glade
Right
stark prawn
The chip is normally flat, with solder balls between the connections
dusky orchid
that makes me want to touch along the strings
stark prawn
I wonder if people would do this with desktop cpus
lilac glade
Play it like a violin
Otherwise, that just makes me uncomfortable
To the point of near-disgust.
dusky orchid
immediately after i've touched it just to see what it's like, i'd immediately squish it back down
lilac glade
You'd short it out lol
stark prawn
Intel cpu's have over 2000 contact points though, that would be one hell of a job
dusky orchid
the purpose would be distruction, ref
stark prawn
Not that you need all of them.
You could leave out a ram channel or some pcielanes for example
rough sapphire
that would not work btw
because all the connections have to be equal length
thats why all the ram traces are funny on console mobo's
stark prawn
to delay the signal yeah
dusky orchid
til
i'm building a pc atm actually and i see that the ram lanes on the mobo do a folding thing
only some though
vestal briar
Maybe alternated latches
dusky orchid
is this the reason though, it doesn't seem to perfectly match
rough sapphire
the ram traces are like a game of snake on the old nokia 3310
vestal briar
stark prawn
They don't match in order to keep the signal in sync
vestal briar
I'm bored
lilac glade
Squiggle RAMs.
stark prawn
The lengths to all the pins need to be the same, and the physical distance varies quite a bit depedning on which pin on the connectore.
rough sapphire
I don't need ram
i have nvme
i can also do system in memory because I have all the memories
sonic night
u dont need ram, if u dont use java 
vestal briar
Kotlin?
rough sapphire
yea i was sad when i heard kotlin was jvm
vestal briar
Python + the Java extention thing
rough sapphire
scala eww
vestal briar
It can do others, jvm is more for android stuff
No, jpython
Something like that
So you hate python? :(
rough sapphire
python is more of a prototyping lang
make it in python but not for production code
stark prawn
jython
vestal briar
Python is fine for production just not on speed critical parts
viral crystal
sonic night
:cringe:
tired osprey
ey its terry he always was like that
stark prawn
He noticably detoriated
sonic night
If he was that smart, he could make code analizer instead of making new syntax, etc etc.
but u need to step to higher level languages to do harder tasks.
sonic night
i didnt say not smart, i said "that" smart, and for him "that" == "most"
tired osprey
basically you cant, thats a weakness of floating point numbers in computers
what you can do is round them to a certain degree and then continue calculating
stark prawn
You could save the money in cents and just add the dot when displaying it.\
round(12.45678, 3)
12.457
you should really be saving the money in cents (or some smaller decimal fraction)
round should be defined, post your whole code
stark prawn
round should be available without importing
vestal briar
Mm
stark prawn
sand goblet
Looks excellent, as expected
cosmic quiver
v hyped
sand goblet
If we're all getting it, we should all play coop :P
tame pier
vestal briar
Damn
gentle moss
man, who knew a lightshow took so much computing power to run
sand goblet
Hah. Third boolean. Great idea for a challenge.
Some languages actually do have a Maybe. I wonder what the real use for it is.
Can't remember off the top of my head. They're not languages you'd usually make use of, though.
fervent dock
Came across this wiki article if anyone's interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-valued_logic
I don't like the word trilean ๐ฌ
kindred fractal
That sounds weird ngl
cosmic quiver
ternary
rough sapphire
anyone ever got caught up in code reuse fever?
rough sapphire
anyone tried installing chromeOs on windows.. I hear you can use google play apps on it.. would be cool to use assistant to open stuff on my laptop
gentle moss
@rough sapphire, all the damn time
rough sapphire
heh
gentle moss
i'll be like "oh shit, i need an ssh function.... i think i have that in a project..."
i wrote some SMTP code once and now i just steal it for everything, even though it's awful and could be written better
it just works for what i want
no shame in that
gentle moss
i do that with flask too
all the internal tools i make for my company i make have the same flask templates / css
wow, double i make
gentle moss
i guess the code reuse is infecting language
rough sapphire
i try to write generic libraries with waay too many configuration options and use cases and error checking
when a simple tool for a specific purpose would be far faster and easier to code and maintain
gentle moss
ahhh, mine's mostly just a bunch of functions or jinja templates
but then again i make tools not uhhh, real stuff
fervent dock
hey bisk, could you link your soundcloud again
i promised i'd check it out some days ago on stream
gentle moss
uhhh... ignore the first one it's a dumb remix of a thing a published author sent me
*a dumb thing a published author sent me
i recommend: Oh Lord, Summertime, Express Noodle, Neon Nightlife and Tribes
i love all of them (except Worst Rap)
Lounge monkey was a nice idea. Lounge version of an aggressive song. Idea done by Richard Cheese already tbh.
gentle moss
I played the original on stream yesterday, very fun. Sort of why I did a cover.
i was that dude who used to take a guitar to parties except i played shit people sang along to or enjoyed ratherthan wonderwall
ยฌ_ยฌ
got a notebook full of songs in my own notation that i now cannot read easily
fervent dock
you covered it really well
fervent dock
yee got it by lyrics
gentle moss
:D
fervent dock
i honestly prefer yours
gentle moss
it's a fun one to play on bass
i did think about doing that as a thing for a while, but drive and inspiration is hard
but just like john wick...
fervent dock
tribes has an interesting almost oriental feel to it
gentle moss
kinda the idea, also inspired by Skinny Puppy type vibe
industrial crossed with asian sorta tones
tribal type vibe, hence, tribes
and if you check out skinny puppy start off light with the Greater Wrong from Right album rather than Last Rights or something
:D
fervent dock
where are the sounds from, some kind of a vsti?
gentle moss
yah, a lot of stuff is digital
the "aiiiiyeeeeeee" voice is actually me
formant and pitch shifted
the drone voice in the background is a free VST
bunch of other stuff is just samples
the drums, iirc, are just the amen break but heavily chopped
my soundcloud is a limited selection of my entire collection :3
fervent dock
dont be afraid to upload more
these are really fun creations
tribes is definitely my favourite so far
gentle moss
i guess it's a matter of the fact i view it as a hobby. like juggling or some shit
sometimes you like to show off or w/e
fervent dock
right
gentle moss
i can upload all of it, i think
sec
not like i'm ashamed but some of it i just cba to bother manually typing out a load of crap for a social platform
gentle moss
depends on which stuff
here's an example of where i was just messing with an idea i'm actually going to finalise sometime this year with a friend of mine
oh damn, can't mp3 into discord?
mean.
nvm sort by modified was on latest
i figured copy from samba share would change date
for some reason
me and my dumb ass author buddy are gonna cover this based off this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ZEVZm1nms
so i spent a while messing with the idea of it
since i generally make what i want to hear i often do go back to listen to it when i'm in a certain mood
after i rewatched the movie Contact i made this one
re-listening i see all the good ideas but realise my execution failures :D
that was made in 2k8
:D
fervent dock
first contact in the second half is really beautiful
own music always sounds different when you don't hear it for some time
when you work on something for hours it just begins to blur
gentle moss
also when you spend years working as a sound engineer
fervent dock
i sometimes need months so forget something after obsessively working on it for a couple of days
fervent dock
well, its a learning process
gentle moss
yeah, that's totally true
the guitar drop in that one is nice
and how it ends
if you haven't seen the movie it doesn't mean much though
imo anyway
fervent dock
i've seen extremely few movies compared to most people ๐
gentle moss
i still hear the line about the furthest yet and see the dad sticking a pin in the map
oh, i'm the opposite
i've almost watched every top 100 in every genre of IMDB
except horror
gentle moss
unemployment in a deprived area for the win.
:P
had to have some background noise but you end up picking up a lot
Contact is actually a spectacular movie though
Carl Sagan was heavily involved in it
oh yeah, he wrote the book
shit
fervent dock
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gentle moss
ignorance of popular culture is no offence to be ashamed of
i intentionally cut myself off early on and then binged it to catch up
fervent dock
oh i'm not ashamed, just generally very busy and uninterested
gentle moss
i feel more ashamed about not seeking out or looking for new things rather than not knowing existing things
fervent dock
i've been discovering a lot of new music lately which is good
gentle moss
oh yeah, that's why i stopped doing music for a while
fervent dock
and rediscovering music i used to enjoy years ago
gentle moss
well if you liked tribes
try out Skinny Puppy's album Greater Wrong from Right
Or Infected Mushroom's Viscious Delicious
fervent dock
i will thanks
gentle moss
Puppy's more on the industrial side, Infected is more on the trance side
fervent dock
i've heard of infected mushroom before but i'm not familiar with their sound
gentle moss
however Infected went towards like uhhh
a weird trance / goa / heavy metal cross over on viscious
VERY fun
probably the seminal piece of the album
was weird, i went to see them DJ their own music at Ministry of Sound in London and was just hanging at the bar and looked over and there they were
just having a beer
before the set, no one paying a mind to them
just walked over and was like "i've been a fan since intelligate" (their first album) and we got into a weird little chat about psy trance and influences
i say album, it has 2 tracks. :D
EP more like
then i watched them do a real nice set and got half to deaf
fervent dock
im enjoying skinny puppy so far, will slowly work through the album
they remind me of some band i used to know but i can't recall the name
gentle moss
very political / social sorta stuff
the combination of gentle / aggressive industrial music works well on that album
Daddyuwarbash is probably my favourite on the album
near the end though, so keep listening ;)
weird fact, mentioned it before in here, skinny puppy's early work was used in guantanamo bay as a method of torture
but so was AC/DC so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fervent dock
i guess anything would work if played endlessly
gentle moss
yah
i had to do sound for loads of dance troupes who needed to practice the same song like 10x in a row
plus the 5 days and 5 nights they were performing said routine
APPLE BOTTOM JEANS AND THE BOOTS WITH THE FURRRRRR
jesus christ there are songs i can't forget
CD 2, Track 20.
I do not know who did the song
i do not want to know
fervent dock
i think i have suffered the most from my own music - re-recording vocals for a song 40 times and then trying to sleep, cannot stop hearing / singing it
gentle moss
ah, recording is always a bitch
fervent dock
especially when it's not even good music
gentle moss
or when you're on holiday in a cabin and pretty damn drunk
and don't have your own instruments
ashamed i am.
worst recording i did was a bass solo that took like +60 takes
then on re-listen after reflection the like 20 something was the best
i can't imagine being a painter
you can't undo it
fervent dock
maybe it teaches you to accept imperfections though
gentle moss
imperfections sometimes make music
fervent dock
being able to re-do something forever might be a curse
gentle moss
a weird example is death magnetic by metallica
they cut the drums to be perfectly in sync
it sounds.... weird
fervent dock
oh yes
digital drum composition often comes out weird
you have to mess with it a lot to give it a natural feel
gentle moss
which you shouldn't have to do if you have a good drummer.... LARS
perfect drums are fine for certain types of music, but for other stuff it's way weird
the difference in like micro seconds of a snare hit can make a difference in feel
so, you do some musical stuff then i guess?
as if it wasn't obvious by now
ยฌ_ยฌ
got a soundcloud or w/e?
fervent dock
oh yeah, but only digitally for a couple of years now, purely as a hobby
don't have anything publicly available atm
gentle moss
that's fair, gotta hone your craft and that
i've been doing "music" for 22 years
maybe 23
fervent dock
last summer i spent a lot of time with a friend living in his cabin outside of a small town, spent most time working on music, great experience
gentle moss
super fun just getting to hunker down and think about one thing
i feel it's kinda like programming
like when you get in the zone
it's just way more drawn out because it's real time and mistakes can't be undone as easily
isolation helps a LOT
that's why some of the most famous recording studios are in the middle of fucking nowhere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockfield_Studios#Artist_roster - this is about 30 miles from me
fervent dock
the cabin is isolated just enough so that we can be as loud as we want, anytime we want, but close enough for quick travel / supply runs
so really ideal for a creative mindset
gentle moss
i tried to get a job there for about 3-4 years tbh
yeah, exactly
you need to be able to get shit, but want to be alone
fervent dock
oh
gentle moss
no bars, no pubs, none of that shit
fervent dock
that is not too far from where i am right now
gentle moss
wait, you're GB?
fervent dock
and i know a girl from monmouth ๐
gentle moss
FoD here.
gentle moss
Know the FoD?
fervent dock
uh no
gentle moss
I'm like a 10 min drive from monmouth
i go there to get my glasses.
and my musical supplies at GREATLY INFLATED PRICES
however it is fun to drop in the shop and just pick stuff up off the rack and play it
they know me now so they just let me do what i want
:D
drop in and just test all the basses to see if i fancy buying a new one
then buy a shit load of strings so i'm not being mean
some of the guitars too
i think they're kinda mad at me for not actually buying a guitar from them
but i keep buying the high mark up small stuff
so they can't bitch
fervent dock
i have an acoustic guitar at home but struggle to find time to practice, been generally on the move for the past couple of years so a computer is what i'm stuck with
not that i'm complaining
gentle moss
i was in the same place, no real I/O device so i couldn't record properly
plus i got heavily into trance
so digital music production became a big thing for me
now i like doing a combo
work with what you got
you can paint with blood if you so wanted
etc
man, i get a bit prophetic at times
fervent dock
i was watching when you've played on stream something that was recorded on a ยฃ5 webcam or something, had an incredible sound
gentle moss
Summertime was all done on the ยฃ5 webcam
a bunch of stuff was.
that's just tools and knowledge
fortunately there are loads of resources out there now, when i started out it wasn't as easy
i got a few good books and a few photocopied papers
helped me a lot with mastering
gentle moss
unfortunately no....
because i was an awful degenerate at the time i was learning those skills
the only thing i kept was the skills
i do have a photocopied paper on mastering somewhere
i might even have scanned it to pdf
i'll check my hard drives after work tomorrow
fervent dock
i do own a book of sorts but it hasn't helped me much, i now have a very rough idea of what to do
but my largest problem has always been getting something that will sound good on all kinds of speakers, not just the ones i'm using at the moment
gentle moss
the photocopied "guide" was given to me by a sound engineer who worked for the BBC, did glaston, rockfield recordings, etc
i definitely have the physical copy
fervent dock
it's probably mostly practice anyway, but i'd be happy to read it if you ever manage to find or upload it
gentle moss
and yeah
test a mix in loads of speakers
monitors, monitor headphones, commercial headphones, in ear head phones, car stereo is important
but i worked for a venue
so i got to mix a shit load of stuff on a 2kw PA system
:D
used to drag my PC out of hours on off weekends to the theatre and plug it up to the mixing desk
club volume mixing.
Oh Lord was done like that
Oh Lord? Oh Lordie? wtf did i call it
w/e
fervent dock
i never seemed to get anything to sound right in a car, but it might just be that the car i drove last summer had a really horrible sound system
gentle moss
cars are hard
fervent dock
it seems to be common advice to always listen to own music in a car before finishing the mix
gentle moss
but if it can sound good in a car you're onto a winner
man, i used to have to record mine down to tape
:D
testing it in a 1988 nissan micra
gentle moss
yeah i'm old
fervent dock
car has no 3.5 in
gentle moss
again, i'm old
also, essential, player doesn't matter in a car
it's about the speakers
change the player and the amp all you want
you've still got like ยฃ10 worth of speaker in a cheap 90's car
when i started modding my micra the first thing i did was put a set of 6x9 speakers in the rear shelf with added weight to stop vibration
then a 12" subwoofer under the seat
500watt amp in the boot
passenger seat
made some people pretty happy ยฌ_ยฌ
fervent dock
gentle moss
ikr, so awful
car was made for me, not for passengers. not my problem they felt homo-erotic about some drum and bass
fervent dock
i've been enjoying the skinny puppy record, reaching the end now
the second half has been a bit better perhaps
past present and use less, good songs
gentle moss
i am not living here
etc
got there yet?
in this place of safety i am fortunate to be alive
fervent dock
i'm listening to a playlist put together on youtube, maybe it's not in order
ill look it up on spotify
gentle moss
nah, it is
i use the youtube pl all the time
and i own the fucking album. it's just easier these days
fervent dock
goneja now, then daddyuwarbash
fervent dock
ill let you know when it begins
goneja is long, but fun
i remembered the artist they reminded me of
it's a dude who goes by Celldweller, apparently also know as Klayton
fervent dock
i used to really love wish upon a blackstar, but i havent heard it in quite some time
your favourite now
fervent dock
captivating
fervent dock
definitely one of the best tracks on the record
gentle moss
yah.
fervent dock
but i feel ready for more, did not feel like a closing track
more of an interlude feel
gentle moss
welcome to skinny puppy
this is the most uhhhh
easy listening of their work
that's a good one
2nd album i think?
hard to remember, they've been going longer than you think
kind of like Nine Inch Nails
fervent dock
3rd, im looking at the wiki page
fervent dock
you've definitely shown me some good music
fervent dock
i found the previous album to be a very comfortable first listen, but you might have chosen it for that reason
gentle moss
yah, artists take a while to figure out what their sound really is
so starting people of with the "correct" state is good
fervent dock
yee
gentle moss
then the early stuff is more paletable
paletable? palatable? palletable?
palatable.
lists help. ยฌ_ยฌ
god damn i love their early shit though
sorta more than the new stuff. it feels raw
it reminds me of fucked up 80's pop music
due to the equipment used
fervent dock
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i mean this 1987 record still seems to have a very polished sound
i'm liking it though
gentle moss
yeah but you can tell a TR-808 if you know it
Duran Duran used that shit iirc
however, i was an engineer so
gentle moss
don't be. it means i can listen to any music and still appreciate it on some level even if i hate the content
"oh, real good mix there. shame about EVERYTHING ELSE"
it's like i was watching punisher again until we got into music and because of my IT knowledge
i was like
"Oh, that's a Hitachi CP-EX400 series"
then there's a cut away to some DIFFERENT PROJECTOR
recognising shit on a certain level can take you out of the experience
i'm still trying to learn to block that out
fervent dock
nowadays its really easy to recognize overused drum samples or even vocal samples that producers seem to love
fervent dock
i had to look it up, the fast version from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQLk7NcpO4 sounds much like any d&b track i've heard lmao
fervent dock
probably not ๐
fervent dock
ok
shell blade
what are you two up too?
shell blade
ohhh
shell blade
ahh breaks
gentle moss
so you can watch it out of time
no
one break
THE break
it's all audio so don't worry about watching
fervent dock
the narrator gives it an alien documentary feel
fervent dock
oh ok
gentle moss
in coming jungle
UK once again cements itself in music
i have actually built that manual split in drum boxers myself
some of my tracks use it
if i want dnb i go for the amen break
take the original and then fuck with it how i feel
you can see why early dnb sounds all the same
gentle moss
you can go mad with them
like uhhh
square pusher
haha
i forgot he was mentioned in this
square pusher, amazing bassist btw.
shell blade
sommersoft said he use to spin breaks
gentle moss
i'll link a thing after this
i can't do real mixing
twin decks
i'm a digital man
shell blade
what decks do you have?
gentle moss
none
i used to mix using ableton
if i was doing live stuff
but i was only doing like small parties / clubs
fuck, talked too much and it stopped playing cause it scrolled
shell blade
oh i had 2 mk5 a vestak mixer and serato setup
fervent dock
im at 11:00 now
shell blade
mine keeps stopping for no reason
gentle moss
i should've opened it in a new window, usually i do 3-2-1's on a dual screen PC
you ever done a 3-2-1 madi?
shell blade
noo
gentle moss
man, that seems weird
it's like the easiest way to watch a video together with a mate
shell blade
why?
fervent dock
i dont think ive ever done it either ๐
gentle moss
i do it all the time
shell blade
lol anytime i want to watch a video with people in this discord they make fun of me lol
w/e
gentle moss
like, watching something together is different
oh hey, do ket and drive a jeep
boooooom
jungle jeep
shell blade
why is it different?
gentle moss
real time, i can react with @fervent dock as we're on the same timestamp