#ot1-perplexing-regexing
tame terrace
ireland, england, malta, russia, bosnia, scotland, switzerland, japan, korea, malaysia, the US and canada, and the international space station
cobalt otter
And literally ever thing known to man kind
tame terrace
super obscure holiday that only catholics know about
most people don't celebrate it in a religious way
stuck oracle
This seems to be a thing that happens mostly in Capitals now that I read it
tame terrace
it's just an excuse to get drunk and dress up in green
dusky orchid
Yeah not here in Australia
um
plucky monolith
yes lemon
dusky orchid
yes it is
plucky monolith
with a lot of guiness
stuck oracle
The same with halloween. A lot of countries dont celebrate it
tame terrace
yes. but we, as a community, do.
we're gonna mark a lot of events you may not celebrate
stuck oracle
I mean I dont really care if the community gets drunk or whatever
oak tangle
We like to have nice events, so we pick international events to do that.
stuck oracle
Just dont be suprised if a lot of people ask you what it is 😛
dusky orchid
naturally, if you have other events in mind, you can suggest them in the repo
oak tangle
Yeah, we're prepared for the questions, I think, but it will become a regular thing
So, it's not going to be that surprising in the future
cobalt otter
@dusky orchid yes?
plucky monolith
do we like celebrate pythons birthday or something
stuck oracle
Ah Ves you are too hopeful for your own good
dusky orchid
@cobalt otter i already sent the message. i said it is.
oak tangle
We're also moving our site over to Django at the moment, but we're planning on/thinking of having an event calendar on the new site.
stuck oracle
International mens day is the only one I would suggest unless it's already planned
oak tangle
It'll list our events, like the code jams, seasonal bot events, esoteric challenges, stuff like that
cobalt otter
That’s a really good idea
ivory tiger
OH HEY MY USERNAME IS RELEVANT AGAIN
WrongEndoftheRainbow is blasting off again
@tame terrace finally my name is back in style
tame terrace
uh
ivory tiger
i waited a WHOLE YEAR for this
tame terrace
it's a st patricks thing?
wrong end of the rainbow as in the rainbow with the pot of gold in one end?
ivory tiger
yes, it's a st paddy's day joke i never bothered to change after paddy's day
and yes
at the right end you get a pot of gold
but what about at the wrong end
tame terrace
the pot of gold is probably a trap anyway
I've heard leprechauns are vicious
so maybe the wrong end is the right end
ivory tiger
i changed my steam username to WrongEndoftheRainbow in like 2012 on this very paddy's day
and then i just never changed it
and the rest, they say, is history
so this is my day
its also my day cause im like half irish but
majority irish and german with horrific amounts of american mutt mix filling in the gaps
genetically im pretty much everything under the sun except african
which, uh, it's America, in the 1800s
im sure you can guess why
@tame terrace did i ever tell you the story of my first american ancestors
tame terrace
uh. no.
ivory tiger
okay so the year is fuckin
1810ish
there's this german noble
he's goin around ireland
when he meets an irish peasant woman
he's like "damn she's cool" and sends a missive to his noble family
"yo let me marry this woman"
german noble family does a double take, sends back "wtf no god no never absolutely fucking not, if you do you're not part of our family anymore you'll be disowned"
so this noble dude goes "eh fuck em" and marries the irish peasant anyways
and they decide to go to america to start a fresh life away from europe's noble families n shit
and badda boom my ancestors arrive in america
and started a proud tradition of becoming rich, disowning a male son, and that male son marrying a poor person and their family offshoot becoming rich in turn
i kid you not we've done that cycle in my family like 4 times since 1810
cobalt otter
Wow ok
ivory tiger
there's actually a rich family in missouri who im genetically related to, but because in the 50s or so they disowned my grandpa, im legally not related to them
(because he married a person they did not approve of, aka a poor person)
@tame terrace let me tell you though my grandpa's funeral was fucking wild
we expected only the immediate family we knew of
but when it came time for the funeral
family members from all walks of life showed up
you had the guy whose funeral suit was a particularly well-cleaned set of blue denim overalls
the guy with a 2000 dollar suit and a gold watch
tame terrace
haha. okay.
ivory tiger
you had the guy unironically wearing a sweatervest and librarian glasses
there was a couple with 4 kids that looked straight out of the fucking 50s ideal suburbia
like goddamn im pretty sure there was unironically a guy who fancied himself a cowboy there
we had no idea any of them were ever related to us
it was fucking wild
gentle moss
creeeeeepy
ivory tiger
@gentle moss not really tbh
we had a vague idea that our family was scattered across the us
in our immediate family we have literally like 6 people (not counting my mom's side)
two uncles, an aunt, my dad, grandpa and grandma
we assumed gram and gramps didnt know any other family members either
we also apparently assumed wrong
my mom's side is far more straightforward
their side is extremely tight-knit
my dad's side is a fucking enigma that continues to surprise though
gentle moss
i'd find it a bit creepy
but i guess the UK is tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the US
ivory tiger
yeah we have a name for the size of the uk
it's called "the length of a drive to the state capital"
ivory tiger
hah 870 miles
gentle moss
yeah, i know
going to NYC in April and the gf's like "better get good at walking! how else we going to get around?"
and i'm like "shit, the US is huge. we're riding the train."
i think she forgets the scale difference when looking at a map
ivory tiger
its a lot easier to have mystery family members when the search area is half a continent
gentle moss
:D
molten goblet
very true
gentle moss
plus record keeping wasn't as strong in the US compared to the UK
we've had stuff like the Doomsday book since the 11th century
ivory tiger
god i couldnt imagine racing across the us
it takes 5 hours just to drive at 80mph across half a state
cycling 10-14 days would get you to somewhere near colorado's eastern border where i am
gentle moss
i think i'd find driving across most the US mind numbing
ivory tiger
because it is
ivory tiger
the coasts arent as terrible cause theres at least some sights
gentle moss
and you guys seem to also have really low speed limits on your mountain roads
ivory tiger
but for your own sake
never drive through nebraska
like, if you think kansas is flat
gentle moss
haha
ivory tiger
fucking nebraska man
there arent even trees
it was literally empty fields from horizon to horizon
im not even sure anybody lives there i dont remember seeing any houses
did nebraska's residents level their state and move out and just nobody ever noticed
gentle moss
isn't it one of the least populous states?
ivory tiger
prolly yeah
ivory tiger
yep sounds right
gentle moss
electoral college is fucked mang
ivory tiger
did you know a vote from wyoming is worth 44 votes from california
gentle moss
ALASKA has more people than Wyoming
yeah, i'm aware
:D
Delaware probably has more corporations than people
ivory tiger
Nebraska is something else though
they gotta be underground rat people or something
there was NOTHING
gentle moss
apparently a photo of nebraska is too explicit for this discord
pretty damn flat i see
how a place floods is a pretty good benchmark for that i guess
ivory tiger
say hello to the only view nebraska has to offer
except around now that field has only clumps of dry grass in it
cause they havent planted it after the winter harvest yet
ivory tiger
like shit, even kansas is bumpy in comparison
this is about as flat as we get
notice how it still looks like more than a fucking slate
and the east is actually absurdly bumpy
because the ozarks touch tips with more traditional kansas regions there
which scatters river valleys, small cliffs, and steep hills across eastern kansas
you can see this with how eastern kansas roads are laid actually
the hills were too steep so they cut through them instead
gentle moss
hah
ivory tiger
and in the worst cases you'll drive through a stretch of road with sheer cliffs on each side that go up a good ehhh
125 feet or so
gentle moss
that's pretty cool though
gentle moss
i guess when they built the roads they just had shit loads of TNT and no engineers
ivory tiger
yeah basically
gentle moss
Norway's tunnels are crazy
i was sorta surprised when i went there
never been in tunnels liket that before
ivory tiger
the roads were prolly carved out in the late 1800s or early 1900s as part of the grid township system
in which case yes chances are if there was a hill in the way they just stuffed dynamite in the hill
this particular area is in missouri, but imagine this
@gentle moss and hell they still do it with most modern road projects here too
when i go to DeSoto i pass a hill like this
ivory tiger
dude kansas was stripmined till like the 80s
theres unironically massive fucking open pits leading into deep mineshafts that were just kinda abandoned
kansas in general is bad for the environment
they did a ton of salt mining in kansas till the 80s
idk why they stopped, but they did
and those salt mines are basically massive scars
and iirc they did a bunch of digging for copper in places too
where you can find large stretches of land marked by big mining pits n shit
thats actually why kansas was a huge labor union state
there was a ton of miners in kansas
ivory tiger
and if the salt mines werent bad enough, kansas is also entirely unsuitable for modern scale inhabitation
the only reason we arent in a perpetual drought is because we pump up unsustainable amounts of water from the continent scale aquifer under us
which is set to dry up in 2050 at our current rate of consumption i think
gentle moss
at least it's not lead water? i guess?
i wonder how much of the shit show of ecology in the US is caused by man imposing shit on a landscape without understanding the consequences
ivory tiger
like there's a reason why kansas was called the american desert before they explored further west
the only stuff that can survive here without the aquifer water is the tough prairie grasses and the sorts
river anvil
cali has been getting a lot of rain the past year or two
atleast imo
maybe we have a chance to get out of this drought
gentle moss
where i live in the UK has been an actively managed forest for hundreds of years
and there's a lot of records about animal levels etc
was used for logging, but they actively replanted shit
also mining
this mine is just down the road from me
some "ancient" iron mine
ivory tiger
before we started importing fertilizer and pumping up water
all settlers grew here was red wheat
gentle moss
monoculture baaad
ivory tiger
which was a form of wheat that grew on the russian steppes
stark prawn
Shame they didn't document the mining well.
ivory tiger
they grew red wheat cause the soil was too infertile and dry for other plants
all their other crops just died
river anvil
are Ruth's nice people?
ivory tiger
bisk it was their only choice lmao
stark prawn
Ruthless means to not be in the presence of Ruth.
ivory tiger
not even corn grew in kansas
river anvil
hm
ivory tiger
the soil was too dry and shitty
river anvil
who is Ruth tough
gentle moss
a Babe, kazo
river anvil
:p
ivory tiger
like bisk, prairies may look lush
gentle moss
sounds like there should be big herds of like
ivory tiger
and topsoil is nonexistant
stark prawn
Compassionate/merciful would be the opposite
ivory tiger
you had the bison
ivory tiger
yes but when they were in huge herds not even they could save the soil
prairie grass is actually extremely fucking tough and impossible to kill
the only reason it could grow in kansas
gentle moss
oh i wasn't talking about turning it into farm land
more suggesting that there is something that survives on it and stuff
but they were killedd
:3
ivory tiger
i mean yeah kansas honestly would be better as a grazing area
prairie grass grows big and fast
you could prolly sustain a mighty big herd of cows or bison better than you could crops
gentle moss
fyi that iron mine i posted has been used in so many movies
star wars being the most notable
ivory tiger
people like to say that ranching is more wasteful than farming
but farming is what's killing kansas atm
kansas would be far better off with ranching
gentle moss
i heard that bison were better for that type of land than cows too
ivory tiger
pretty much the only thing the prairies are suitable for
and yeah probably
bison are native to kansas, dairy cows are not
gentle moss
bet bison tastes good
stark prawn
Dairy cows aren't native to anywhere.
ivory tiger
that and their heads were popular as trophies
gentle moss
ah
ivory tiger
and bison were rarely totally wasted afaiaa
even trophy hunters took choice meat selections
they were just wasted far more in excess of what the natives ever did
in a lot of rotting bison left on the prairie accounts, they were left there cause the hunter took the head and the finest bits of meat
and didnt want the rest
ivory tiger
ye sometimes you see ruthfully used in a novel
river anvil
i was reading a novel recently and it was good but i guess books just have a hard time keeping my interest
ivory tiger
im tired of young teenage heros changing the world through falling in love and using that love to fight injustice in the form of a random evil dictatorship empire
ivory tiger
@stark prawn THAT'S ALL I HAVE ACCES TOOOOOOOOOOO
gentle moss
go to a library
river anvil
yea
gentle moss
read all the P.K. Dick
ivory tiger
that and the nonfiction sec- i just said
gentle moss
oh right
ivory tiger
my library only stocks young adult
gentle moss
every library should have Philip K Dick
summer rampart
are you in the US? @ivory tiger
summer rampart
if you have a library card, get the Libby app. which lets you borrow ebooks from an elibrary that may or may not have a bigger collection than the physical one
summer rampart
whoa don't equate The Giver with the other YA novels
ivory tiger
its a little more abstract but still follows the same format
young boy lives in sucky world made sucky by mean old dictators, learns to love and changes the world with love
river anvil
how do you guys get through monotonus tasks?
this one cant be automated, has a strictly human quality to it
gentle moss
music and "the zone"
river anvil
this is like top tier boring though
proper dune
seconded. put on music, make sure brain doesnt get destracted
river anvil
alright ill try that
gentle moss
stuff with a constant rhythm to it i fend helps
proper dune
i try to match music to emotional state. helps stay in the mood to keep working rather
gentle moss
i usually go for drum and bass / some sub genre of trance
proper dune
otherwise lack of harmony makes me snap out
gentle moss
the constant beat zones me out a bit
river anvil
well this isnt something i can drone over i have to quality check it to make sure it lives up to my expectations :/
but its incredibly boring and hard to do with a mouse
proper dune
my intention isnt to drone over so that you're barely thinking. music distracts and takes the focus of the part of my brain that is impulsive and gets bored. having music to mentally dance along to while I do my work keeps me from fidgeting and getting distracted
river anvil
hm
stark prawn
Use ML
river anvil
then ill have to do more work to give it data to work with
:o
i dont know what my expectations are but im not matching them
stark prawn
Try to formulate your requirements
river anvil
like how?
ivory tiger
@river anvil design document
lay out what you want it to do, how, and in what manner
ivory tiger
if you dont know your requirements but know its not good enough
obviously you need a design document
river anvil
its a hard to explain project but basically the hard part now is i have to write a dozen or so words/phrases 3 times using a mouse and then allign them correctly
gentle moss
pretty much the same @proper dune, but i feel like i end up in more of a trance. not unthinking but like.. focused
in the zone
river anvil
i know my requirements, they need to look handwritten and be black and white
just sometimes a word doesnt sit right with me so i rewrite it
ivory tiger
then formulate them by making a design doc
river anvil
er
ivory tiger
decide what you want and write down what you want
river anvil
i think ill just do a job and if its good enough its good enough for me
youre really overestimating the project
i can contain the what would be one sentence word doc in my head
gentle moss
river anvil
lol whats this on
gentle moss
it's funny as fuck
gentle moss
by having a job
river anvil
i have a few things i do every day but i have trouble juggling them and focusing on one topic at a time
:/
id do that if i could
gentle moss
my days off, since i'm on 3 days work a week, are a little less structured
reserve a day for doing house work n shit
other days are just whatever i kind of fancy
tomorrow i suspect i'll finish up doing that Raspberry Pi AI voice kit i got
river anvil
agh netflix doesnt have that show you mentioned
gentle moss
hmm
river anvil
so you dont structure your days?
summer rampart
I wish I did
proper dune
my schedule is messy and dependent on week
lots to do, i just sort of squeeze it all in
depending on week I have 23-24 hours of contact classes, a day of work at one job, more hours of work squeezed at another, meetings and events from being on the exec of a couple student societies, events like hackathons and talks etc that i go to in my own time
sort of eats up all the time i have and my schedule creates itself
robust sierra
wow 3 bans in one day in py discussion
rough sapphire
I guess you have to partially expect it considering the size of this place
gentle moss
and how many people want to make sneaker bots
idk if any of the bans were related to that but eh
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand goblet
As it should be
gentle moss
aye
shell blade
Wow memes, that's terrible
sinful turtle
Can they even be called memes
tired osprey
yes
timid vigil
vague shuttle
Ty, she is a fine one
worn kite
not enough beard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ua2_UaCPgA
zinc juniper
@rough sapphire only use #python-discussion for python discussion
zinc juniper
Use the ot channels to talk about other stuff
And read the rules
They are linked in #welcome
shell blade
hmmmm
river anvil
i found a huge cave
i think its about 2 or 3 ravines
and theres these huge cave systems across them
timid lagoon
I am needing a very specific Bot and am willing to pay. So I’m looking for Bot Developer or someone who knows Python 3.6 and discord.py rewrite alike to assist me. It is a Moderation Bot with many functions most of which other Bots have just not All-in-One.
river anvil
this server isnt really for contract work
but if youre willing to learn people here can teach you, you'd be surprised how easy it is!
timid lagoon
Ok awesome.. I wrote a few things trying to learn but I’m trying to dive straight into Discord Bots
river anvil
@sand goblet help theres so many chickens a lot of my sounds are getting cut off now and theres too many eggs to know what to do with, what do i do?
summer rampart
lava
river anvil
i could burn the eggs but i feel like xthats a waste
mystic frost
why'd they have to go and add all this new shit to Minecraft
its all just a bunch of useless stiff
river anvil
i just threw a bunch of eggs so i think im going to wait for those chickens to mature then slaughter them
mystic frost
like what, a smoker??
mystic frost
what is this... tinkers construct?
mystic frost
a blast furnace????
river anvil
har har har
river anvil
rough sapphire
thought lua was dead
summer rampart
no?
rough sapphire
@tame pier stellaris is such an awesome game
I could see myself getting sucked into it
rough sapphire
I usually disconnect from anything that hogs internet or ram before I start a game
not the way I play stellaris @river anvil lol
I pause every time I make an action, to think my next best move
so every moment the clock runs is basically 100% packed with actions from me
rough sapphire
Huh
rough sapphire
yeah dude
tame pier
should've put it on a slightly harder difficulty
rough sapphire
The random events are awesome too
tame pier
Every other empire has been "Pathetic" compared to me for the last two centuries
Over 100k total fleet power
rough sapphire
damn, you sound a lot better than me lol
tame pier
Still not enough to go after the smug fucking fallen empires tho
with their three 68k fleets
rough sapphire
I played on one of the easier settings, and while I didn't get crushed, it definitely gave me a run for my money to sustain my empire
tame pier
Once you get to a certain point you snowball
Also I hadn't played since Feburary of last year
rough sapphire
Do you just infinitely expand your territory, or do you make a smaller area more "powerful"?
rough sapphire
I heard as you grow, some kind of costs increase... I think for tech
tame pier
Yeah sprawl
rough sapphire
I only played it right up before that update
tame pier
Due to sprawl my techs are +550% cost
Doesn't matter tho I have so much research coming in
Sprawl is more of a early to mid-game thing
rough sapphire
I guess it becomes less relevant as you start snowballing, as you said
tame pier
Once you get big enough and have enough techs it stops mattering
rough sapphire
yeah I figured lol
tame pier
Basically tech
rough sapphire
I don't know why though... I just found it to be so immersive. I really enjoyed it.
tame pier
Yeah
rough sapphire
The tech/research descriptions, random colonies contacting you, etc
tame pier
Good mix of micro and macro on both eco and mil
Oh yeah and the stories lol
Event chains
rough sapphire
yeah, its nuts
I remember this one "event" where I had a scout/research ship somewhere, and it got struck by this projectile out of the blue.
rough sapphire
Apparently there was some ancient interstellar war that took place some long time ago ago, and this projecti-
yeah I don't even need to finish it lol
that one
rough sapphire
yeah, things like that just really made me admire the game, with how much I've gotten into it so far. its obvious a lot of care and effort went into it
tame pier
That just reminded me, there's a Unity ascension slot for increased damage to fallen empires...
rough sapphire
yeah there's a couple of those, I think
tame pier
heheh
rough sapphire
oh man lol
rough sapphire
I'll have to look at what's been upgraded in the months its been since i last played it
tame pier
Oh yeah they changed defense stations
Don't need to run around with construction ships anymore
tame pier
You can just build the stations on the outposts
Though there's a limit of 3 on a outpost
It's way higher on a starbase tho
rough sapphire
its nice to have as an option, at least
tame pier
One of my starbases is a citadel with just 4 stations, and it's ~22k
Guessing It'll probably max at 50k
Still
Any baddies chasing
Run away
They jump into system
"hello"
rough sapphire
lol
rough sapphire
there's some kind of module that basically locks them into the system, right?
tame pier
no they can go back way they came
however I think inhibitors also prevent emergency FTL
rough sapphire
I think there were at least 2 kinds of them
it was only something I saw in the menu, and never actually used yet
tame pier
it changed too
there's a tech and suddenly a bunch of my bases have it without any modules
rough sapphire
that sounds like a pretty substantial piece of tech lol
tame pier
Took me 4 months so
meh
Need something to keep me off it so I can get to sleep at a reasonable hour tonight...
But I'm all caught up on Slime anime
river anvil
@tame pier you play heat signature?
tame pier
What?
river anvil
nvm
good game
think youd like it
the game is centered around missions and characters and stuff
for every galaxy (full game completition) youll go through atleast a couple dozen characters, its pretty fun
apply roleplay to it and it can be interesting
or just trying to beat the personal mission as fast as possible for each character
heavy jackal
why is it that most of my best programming is done after I should have gone to bed
(that is because the vast majority of my programming is done after I should have gone to bed because I am procrastinating going to bed because I have to work the following day)
grave phoenix
Because is when creativity is at its max
austere hawk
Good afternoon
grave phoenix
Afternoon
sand goblet
Hey @lilac glade, you might find this amusing. KH3 spoilers. https://youtu.be/Neau6ttz6Bk
vestal briar
If you where to make a basic compiler with rust, what would the user need to build said compiler from source? Just C++ or Rust?
I'm tired so sorry for stupid question
lilac glade
@sand goblet I mean, he's not wrong, but he's also not on time.
This was all easy to see if you saw the movie as well as played the game.
sand goblet
I made a point of not watching the movie
lilac glade
Then you lost a fair bit of context.
And, lost the ability to see this odd shoehorned level.
Remember when it first came out and I complained about how it was shoehorned in without going too much into detail?
sand goblet
Yeah
I mean it definitely felt odd anyway
||sudden ice maze||
||somehow both underground and not at all underground||
lilac glade
If you had actually watched the movie, you'd see that the villainman is the same way
It very clearly seemed like he wasn't actually supposed to be a villain, but they decided to recast him as one.
sand goblet
Yeah
lilac glade
Patman explains that in the video, of course.
sand goblet
He just appeared to be some puppet in the game
lilac glade
I have a feeling that he was supposed to be an antagonizer, but not the immediate antagonist.
Provoker?
I dunno. Call it annoying.
sand goblet
A second pete
lilac glade
A Pete for the world, and the movie as well.
sand goblet
Yeah
lilac glade
I'll say one thing, though: I didn't realize that the maze shared the same map design as the castle.
On another note, two areas are shown in the world overview: the mountain, and the actual Arendelle castle. Why didn't they include that as well?
sand goblet
There was a continuity derp as well
Since it thaws but when you go back it's still frozen
The other worlds don't lose their continuity
lilac glade
The level wouldn't exist at that point, though.
You lose the frozen mountaintop at that point, since no mountain should be that snowy that close to sea level in the summer.
sand goblet
True
vestal briar
Rust feels so nice
Everything is user friendly but it's up there with C and C++ for speed and use cases
Gonna use rust for algos and python for everything else
vestal briar
Rust has won the "best compiled language"
Seems 100% not biased and community driven but badly
cosmic quiver
this website is kidna useless
vestal briar
Yup
C++ is much more popular than rust
And yet doesnt get any first places or even any notable 2nds
cosmic quiver
Rust is the more liked one on the SO developer survey
vestal briar
Well yeah
cosmic quiver
Rust also doesn't suffer from
vestal briar
C++ is a pain
cosmic quiver
not really
vestal briar
If you could develop code to the same standard in the same amount of time, c++ every day
But reality isn't like that
cosmic quiver
tired osprey
even though i like rust i gotta say tha for example this argument is garbage when brought up against c++
cosmic quiver
lol
tired osprey
c++ also compiles to machine language and some implementations also use llvm
cosmic quiver
I wonder what llvm is written in
vestal briar
C++
cosmic quiver
I know it is
tired osprey
again uselss against c++
vestal briar
But seeing as 100% of systems (not pcs) nowadays come with C and C++ compilers
cosmic quiver
what language doesn't have built in concurrency in 2019
tired osprey
again uselss against c++ as it also has macros and other features of the rust macro ecosystem are far more interesting
cosmic quiver
do you know what they should have written
vestal briar
C++ is obviously better but not for deadlines or maintainability (most of the time)
cosmic quiver
Rust is a systems programming language that runs blazingly fast, prevents segfaults, and guarantees thread safety.
tired osprey
something in that direction
cosmic quiver
That's the old motto or whatever
tired osprey
lets look on the c++ side of this page
cosmic quiver
Go is a systems programming language that doesn't really do anything new, isn't well-designed from the ground up and is a regression from other modern programming languages.
cosmic quiver
who doesn't
tired osprey
well rust can do that too
well you can also ffi c c++ into rust so what
well the rust compiler knows more about its code and its behaviour than all c++ ones, a lot more
vestal briar
Nice mix of modern languages and more legacy C/C++
cosmic quiver
CON Undefined behavior
vestal briar
tired osprey
pah
cosmic quiver
garbage collecting...?
tired osprey
rust stdlib is updated nightly bitches
vestal briar
What does this mean?:
cosmic quiver
CON Bugs easily corrupt the memory you need to find them
tired osprey
that somebody did not learn another language
vestal briar
2 people
cosmic quiver
CON Painfully slow compilation this is also true of rust lol
CON No way to locate definitions
No modules, just files, and no way to tell where anything came from.
```staright up incorrectI am confused by
cosmic quiver
CON Complicated types hmmm
vestal briar
Python is the most pseudocode you can get
cosmic quiver
CON Incomprehensible operator overloading resoution
same
CON Arcane binding rules
same
lol ADL
vestal briar
I went braindead for a minute and thought CON was some speshul lingo I didn't hear before
🤦
Another C++ con?:
cosmic quiver
slow compilation is true
tired osprey
did you google rust book or something in that direction recently? also the library support is growing very fast i can find libraries for almost everything i want to do
yeah well its never gonna be in there we just like to keep our core clean and have third party crates do that shit
.....what, rust is pretty well tested there are even challenges by mozialla to do bad stuff with rust code without unsafe blocks
vestal briar
Look at rust
cosmic quiver
but for beginners their programs already compile in
small amounts of time
it doesnt matte
r
vestal briar
Exacly
tired osprey
whoever wrote this does not really seem to know anything about either of these
vestal briar
Yup
I'm pretty exited to do some systems programming with rust
Only ever really done python and a tiny bit of c++
cosmic quiver
i tried to learn rust but it was too verbose and didn't fit my brain 
tired osprey
im pretty excited why my rust embedded program is not doing what i think it does
well why the ahrdware does not respond the way i think it should
cosmic quiver
I also tried to learn elixir but it was too confusing
vestal briar
I kinda get it (upto loops atm)
cosmic quiver
I don't get why rust has macros
cosmic quiver
do you really
cosmic quiver
tired osprey
we have our hygienic macros which produce repetitive code
and then we have our procedural macros which operate on the token stream of the input they are given
vestal briar
Are macros the !?
tired osprey
and those can be called in two ways, either function like like the normal ones OR
#[derive(Debug)] //macro
struct myStruct {
x: i32;
}
the function like macros are the ! yes
cosmic quiver
oh yeah now that you point it out you do have 2 macros
tired osprey
and even then you never know if you are looking at hygienic or unhygienic/procedural macros
tired osprey
you mean the one where you define a sort of formal language and then operate on it
vestal briar
Biggest problem with rust:
I click on documentation that turns out to be the game all the time
tired osprey
like
macro_rules! vec {
( $( $x:expr ),* ) => {
{
let mut temp_vec = Vec::new();
$(
temp_vec.push($x);
)*
temp_vec
}
};
}
those are the non procedural ones
they basically just produce code which then gets compiled
tired osprey
yeah it is a bit alien
but useful
now what a procedural macro looks like is (taken from ym current project
#[proc_macro]
pub fn calc_config(sys_ck: TokenStream) -> TokenStream{
let sys_ck: syn::LitInt = syn::parse(sys_ck).unwrap();
// calculations
let divm = best_config.0;
let divn = best_config.1;
let divp = best_config.2;
// weird stuff end
let config = quote! {
(#divm, #divn, #divp)
};
TokenStream::from(config)
}
note the wird stuff part
so what this basically does is take a TokenStream from the rust compiler then perform calculations at compile time (yay) and then return another tokenstream i made up from my calculations
which is super useful because computation at compile time is always useful
vestal briar
Oh god
tired osprey
and now i finally scared them away
vestal briar
That is a lot of numbers
vestal briar
Mm
tired osprey
so when i call this like
calc_config!(400_000_000);
what actually happens is that at compile time i can do my fancy calculations and then put the tuple (#divm, #divn, #divp) there instead of the macro call
vestal briar
Cool
tired osprey
yes
and that macro_rules thing "just" puts repetitive code instead of itself there
so you could actually do macro_rules with procedural macros but..... you odnt really want to
vestal briar
(Btw if I where making a basic compiler with Rust and the user where to build from source, would they need to install rust also?)
tired osprey
yes
vestal briar
👍
I wonder if you could make a kotlin-like language that compiles to c source
Bit like the first python interpreter
sand goblet
well kotlin native compiles to native code
rough sapphire
funny every time I read it
Repeatedly asks the reader to ensure that the reader uses Python 2, stating that Python 3 will not be in general use for a long time. lol
rough sapphire
heh
one of the complaints is that 'method is a function'
or rather the book said that
I mean.... its not wrong in some ways
its just encapsulated within an object and has a different name
rough sapphire
can we say.. some functions are methods, but not all functions are
oak tangle
From a Python perspective, you could say that both are callable, but they are objects of a different class
rough sapphire
aren't the two identical in what they do, except one is in an object?
oak tangle
Well, a bound method implicitely passes self as a first parameter, so they also function in a different way
rough sapphire
yeah that's true
rough sapphire
@shell blade that's what I thought
shell blade
yeah i wonder why no one answered it
rough sapphire
one of the mysteries of the universe
vestal briar
Isnt a method the one inside an object
I forgot my terminology :(
I usually use method because it's faster to say and nicer to say
rough sapphire
yep
agile heart
How did Dr Joseph, the owner have an animated pfp like that?
did you make it up or just lucky google search
lilac glade
He probably made it.
Also, animated avatars are a perk of Nitro, which Partnered server owners get for free.
agile heart
so you can animate any avatar once you have Nitro?
lilac glade
No, you have to animate it on your own, or pull a conveniently-made GIF from the internet.
tired osprey
whats the mattter zis time
viral crystal
here's a fun game to play. guess when chrome was closed https://i.imgur.com/AZpggJf.png
robust sierra
@tired osprey if im bad at algebraic fractions does it mean im stupid
tired osprey
@robust sierra e.g.?
robust sierra
nvm im an expert now
time to find the test paper my teacher is gnna gimme
found it
vestal briar
I got a 6 for mock GCSE but the actual one is still 2 years away
tired osprey
I'll just do my math a levels in a few weeks and then I should be done with it for some time
vestal briar
I tried for the 6 but didn't do any revision
If I don't really try, it's a 4
Tbh a B+/A- is good
6 and maybe 7s are gonna be my target
Got 5 for all sciences, 5-6 for english, 6 for maths so I think it's good
tame terrace
@agile heart joseph did in fact make that, and I'm pretty sure he wrote it in python as a gimp plugin
rain spindle
@tame terrace How was yours made?
vestal briar
How much of gimp is python?
When loading/installing it you can see tons of python files
But they could just be the plugin thingies
ivory tiger
@vestal briar likely just the same as blender
aka a different language with a plugin system written in python
agile heart
Right, Joseph is very very cool
vestal briar
Ok then
river anvil
whats m4
river anvil
oh
hexed cedar
Guys
river anvil
is the big bang theory falsifible?
river anvil
duckduckgo's stack overflow answer box is a blessing
fast and easy to use
dont have to sift throught the site itsself
grave gulch
Indeed
summer rampart
not to mention all the nice shebangs
worn kite
I mostly use !i !m or !ubuntupack, I think...
summer rampart
!upackages does the same, but I don't think it's too much of a speed improvement
the way I type though the latter is much more comfortable
rough sapphire
wot in tarnation
shell blade
sand goblet
o/
shell blade
I watched an anime last night I think I will be taking a break from that genre for a bit
worn kite
was it so bad? 🤔
shell blade
yeah it was disgusting and really bad voice acting
i seen it on yts and it looked neat
i was wrong
yeah wicked city
omg omg omg omg
omg omg omg omg
worn kite
https://fantasyanime.com/anime/wicked-city-dub this one? looks shady
shell blade
yeah that one
worn kite
seems to be quite messed up 😛
shell blade
it was how do i put this ehhh i might trigger a filter here but it was almost porn
worn kite
that's what the description/review says too
shell blade
i mean why is it on yts then ffs
shell blade
not youtube lol yts
glass gorge
Pirate? 
shell blade
torrents yeah can i post that it was questionable
worn kite
oh, meh, I don't frequent that kind of site usually, never heard of this one before
but same comment
plucky ridge
Are those torrents to legally obtained movies or did you just toss a pirate link on here?
Yeeeaaahhhh that's a pirate site
shell blade
i guess its pirate
royal lakeBOT
oak tangle
That was it
glass gorge
Oh that
plucky ridge
You know better, Madi
lilac glade
:o
plucky ridge
plucky ridge
Just be careful next time. Carry on
oak tangle
Oh, that gif
Wow, I'd never seen that one
Probably not appropriate most of the time
plucky ridge
I do
oak tangle
Are you getting married?
plucky ridge
And I'm not even 30
oak tangle
Congrats!
glass gorge
Know the gesture from old cartoons
plucky ridge
"I Dream of Genie" for those of you who didn't know
sand goblet
People actually use it here
lilac glade
I know of the gesture, not the show.
shell blade
staright outa the 70's
sand goblet
Shun, shuuuun
lilac glade
Then again, I don't know of much television.
The last day I purposefully sat around to watch TV was the day before I got my first laptop.
shell blade
if it makes you feel better gdude i feel pretty stupid about it
shell blade
😃
plucky ridge
I try not to "shame" but when it's something small like that I'm not going to outright punish
Seemed like the easiest course of action
plucky ridge
No, I didn't have to. Just wanted to
shell blade
wait who is getting married i missed this
plucky ridge
I said the words "I do" in reference to me knowing what the show was
Ves made a funny about marriage
Hilarity ensued.
plucky ridge
shell blade
I have watched the stranger things trailer like 3times in a row im so excited i love this hsow
plus it's the who playing !
plucky ridge
Madi, remind me how old you are. Considering you've recognized both I Dream of Genie and The Who, it has me unsure
shell blade
over 30 under 40
grave phoenix
shell blade
My dad was a record collector he had tens of thousands of records I would just sit and listend to them as a kid growing up so I know a lot of classic rock
plucky ridge
Solid
shell blade
yes i am the elder millienial gather around the snapchat filter kids and i will tell you tales of the time before the smartphone lol.
-liza
pine vector
#eldermillenial (she is a riot. love her shows)
tired osprey
we have to get these 200 euros somehow @tulip palm @rain spindle @bleak lintel watching him do that will be a lot of fun
rain spindle
I'm down to pay £50
bleak lintel
i'm busy entering rocket launches
rain spindle
What?
tired osprey
ill go for 50 euros (also sharp euros not pounds your pound will be worth nothing by next week) too
tulip palm
you stole my joke
tired osprey
yeah but thats an actual concern
rain spindle
@tired osprey why don't we short the pound and make some money
@tulip palm your welcome to join us
tired osprey
we are at 50 percent
rain spindle
If we short the pound we can make double :^)
tulip palm
funny joke, it's already doing that enough itself
tired osprey
because of people like sharp who bet it falls
rain spindle
@tired osprey it's not going to "fail"
But if you bought a sterling when it plunches
Your gonna make Alot of $$
@gentle moss we have €100
tired osprey
he knows that
rain spindle
Is that enough?
vestal briar
For what?
vestal briar
Me confused
rain spindle
God damnit
tired osprey
bisk wants to do speech stuff
vestal briar
He has PTSD?
tired osprey
i told him to build his own model and he said "Im not getting paid for that shit"
and then he said
if i get 200 euros for him to do this hell do it
so here we are with 100
vestal briar
How long ago was that?
tulip palm
haha i would but i'd rather not dig into my backup savings
rain spindle
Is that the conversion rate?
tired osprey
at the moment
tired osprey
of course it is
its bisk
also that
classic bisk
bisk is the personification of nsfw
tired osprey
yes
vestal briar
👍
tired osprey
recognizable by the niX
rain spindle
@tired osprey the AFD are a good party
tired osprey
i know two people whod beat you for htat
rain spindle
@tired osprey sorry for offense caused. is that joke to far?
tired osprey
no but i just wanted to say that
rain spindle
Ok hagah
tired osprey
you can make lots of jokes about the afd
rain spindle
Angela Merkel isn't wrong
tired osprey
also the F is small