#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 253

vapid bluff Mar 3, 2019, 7:06 AM

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@tame pier Fixed it thanks to Mark.
You gotta add this line under [scripts] in the pipfile:
start = "python -m project"

Then you run:
pipenv run start inside the shell

tame pier Mar 3, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Inside the pipenv shell?

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Well, there's nothing in __main__.py so that did nothing

vapid bluff Mar 3, 2019, 7:15 AM

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oh yeah, sorry, i forgot that's not pushed to the repo 😅

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basically i just copied everything over in test_editor_window.py into __main__.py

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alternatively this line should work as well editor_window_test = "python -m project.testing.test_editor_window"

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then you'd do pipenv run editor_window_test

tame pier Mar 3, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Ahhhh right run the module in the package as a module

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smart

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Always forget about the .

sand goblet Mar 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Finding a use for extra sausages

📎 IMG_20190303_165226.jpg

rough sapphire Mar 3, 2019, 5:02 PM

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>>> import pickle
>>> pickle.loads(b'\x63\x62\x75\x69\x6c\x74\x69\x6e\x73\x0a\x70\x72\x69\x6e\x74\x0a\x28\x53\x27\x70\x69\x63\x6b\x6c\x65\x20\x69\x73\x20\x74\x68\x65\x20\x62\x65\x73\x74\x20\x64\x61\x74\x61\x62\x61\x73\x65\x27\x0a\x74\x52\x2e')
pickle is the best database```

warm sage Mar 3, 2019, 9:01 PM

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can i ask a java question here?

sand goblet Mar 3, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Yep, can't guarantee an answer though

warm sage Mar 3, 2019, 9:45 PM

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ah i got it

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just figured it out

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ty though 😃

lime jewel Mar 4, 2019, 12:14 AM

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will the live stream for CJ4 be archived somewhere? I'll be at work but i really want to see it :/

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 12:20 AM

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we will try.

lime jewel Mar 4, 2019, 12:24 AM

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ok! :D

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 12:51 AM

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I need a new phone

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Huawei mate 20

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 12:51 AM

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The iPhone 4s is just too slow for most

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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:P

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Mm

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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I have a mate 10 pro

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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I would like to get a huawei lite

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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it's probably the best device I've ever owned

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Like £175

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I'm going to wait until my mums phone has had it's contact finished and get it

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(5s)

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Only things that work is a really slow discord and 3rd party reddit client that makes device run really hot

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Ah, it's got 512mb of ram; that's probably why

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:34 AM

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i love huawei.. it's pretty solid phone for the price

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:36 AM

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From what I've heard, the mate 20 pro is fantastic

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:36 AM

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although I would like the battery to last more than 2 days.. but maybe im just being picky

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what do you feel about the new Oculus

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:38 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190304_013755_com.huawei.systemmanager.jpg

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I charge at night so

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:38 AM

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why do you have so many things on.. omg

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nfc, bluetooth

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Because I use them?

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:38 AM

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oh.. what do you use nfc for

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Google pay

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:39 AM

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ahhh

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can't seem to figure out google pay.. how do you add transport cards on there

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:39 AM

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They need to be supported

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:39 AM

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they docs say that they are

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Then you just search for it when you add a card

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They go under passes

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What's the name of it?

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@rough sapphire

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:42 AM

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suica

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Yeah, I don't see it

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:43 AM

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yeah.. hmm

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Is it a payment card or?

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Like a prepaid card?

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:43 AM

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but this says so see

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https://www.blog.google/products/google-pay/add-suica-and-waon-google-pay-japan/

Google

Now you can add Suica and WAON to Google Pay in Japan

Starting today, you can add and manage your Suica and WAON cards in Google Pay if you live in Japan and have an Osaifu-Keitai eligible phone. This means four major Japanese prepaid e-money cards—nanaco, Rakuten Edy, Suica and WAON—can all be used with Google Pay.

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yeah its a prepaid card and a transport pass

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Maybe you have to add it as a payment method

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Using the photo thing

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:45 AM

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I dont see the photo thing..

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oh well.. I'll figure it out later

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Just when you add a payment method @rough sapphire

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It brings up the camera

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:46 AM

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I dont have an option to add payment method..maybe need to update my android

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:47 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190304_014734.jpg

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I'm on latest though

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:48 AM

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apple pay > google pay

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Hahahaha

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Nothing supports apple pay here

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The terminals do, the banks don't

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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but google pay is supported? tf?

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ok fine apple pay > google pay (not including the island of ireland)

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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They made the right decision tbh

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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who apple or google?

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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The banks

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:49 AM

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oh - why?

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Because people with iphones have bulky cases that block nfc

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So they don't break their glass bricks

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:50 AM

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ngl dont think ive met anyone with a case that actually blocks nfc... maybe ireland is different?

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or maybe we're uni students and cant afford a case anyway

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:50 AM

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People largely don't have the income to replace a broken phone here

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:P

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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ot but u any good with small website stuff / flask?

fervent dock Mar 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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it is known that cases only block nfc in ireland

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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(not the programming bit, just like the concept)

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Apple is dead

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:51 AM

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how is apple dead?

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ah ok ireland needs better cases then

fervent dock Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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eve ate it mad

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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well you know..they got the Huawei exec arrested.. and trying to block their business

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so Chinese dumped Apple..

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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how did apple get them arrested?

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Japanese already prefer huawei over even home made phones like Sony Sharp

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Huawei do make fantastic devices

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Koreans just follow the trends, and they primarily prefer Samsung anyway

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Only large customers for Apple are for macs, and that's companies like FB, Google.. and it's a very small percentage of users..

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:56 AM

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hmm k idk how much of that I believe (although i agree huawei make good phones), but also you kinda started it badly with your chinese dumped apple statement (thats just very vague and doesnt sound true) - so imma move on and ask my flask question

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so with flask, i have some endpoints and like login stuff

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Hold up

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:56 AM

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ok...

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:56 AM

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#web-development

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:P

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:56 AM

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oooh

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 1:57 AM

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I'm going to bed but that's the correct channel

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 1:57 AM

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will you join me?

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:/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t4aKJuKP0Q

YouTube

Miegakure

4D Toys: a box of four-dimensional toys, and how objects bounce an...

**** Available now -- More Explanations & Crazy Shapes! **** iOS http://4dtoys.com/ios Steam http://4dtoys.com/steam (VR or Mouse&Keyboard) Showing 4D Toys a...

▶ Play video

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 2:39 AM

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I have the perfect meme for this Channel tag

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https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/79cm3q/rock_star_developer/

r/funny - Rock Star Developer

12,462 votes and 148 comments so far on Reddit

sullen thorn Mar 4, 2019, 2:42 AM

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lol ok thats actually good

lime jewel Mar 4, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Does anyone here play a lot of tabletop RPGs especially if you dm them?

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 4:21 AM

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rolls 2, person above you has to teach someone the dab

lime jewel Mar 4, 2019, 4:26 AM

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I’m planning on making an RPG suite that will help manage paperwork that can be cumbersome and get in the way of playing tabletops. I wrote up a readme here: https://github.com/AvianAnalyst/rpg-assist/tree/master/venv/home/rpg-assister if u dont mind reading through that and letting me know what you'd add/take out, I’d really appreciate it!

GitHub

AvianAnalyst/rpg-assist

Suite to assist with running and playing tabletop RPGs. - AvianAnalyst/rpg-assist

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 5:27 AM

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you're able to show your project off in the #303934982764625920 channel, just as a note.

lime jewel Mar 4, 2019, 5:34 AM

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oh fair, i didn't realize this really counted as that? nothing's written for it yet

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 5:46 AM

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if there's nothing really added, i guess i can understand why you've held off, yeah

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:37 AM

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my friends learning java for school but says hes gonna check out python when hes not swamped w/ school

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which would be cool because then i could help him and maybe he could help me in the future when he knows more

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:38 AM

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You're going to wait for him to catch up and surpass you? yert

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:38 AM

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no lol

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idk i can only dream of a coding buddy

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:39 AM

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same

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i'd love someone i personally know to talk about coding

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:39 AM

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They're not as fun as you'd want em to be GWqlabsSweats

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:39 AM

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if they're anything like i am, probs not lol

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:40 AM

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yea lol my friend can be.. tough to teach sometimes

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but i think itd be worth it

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I just go to coding workshop / lectures to talk about programming

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:40 AM

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not sure if he will actually like it though because he doesnt really like puzzles

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:41 AM

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At least then i can moderate it B)

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:41 AM

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hes always the one exploring instead of settling down and building upon previous things

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i live out in the middle of nowhere and move a lot so i dont think coding buddies irl would be a good idea

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:42 AM

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there's no workshops here

vapid bluff Mar 4, 2019, 6:42 AM

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you can talk to a duck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging

Rubber duck debugging

In software engineering, rubber duck debugging is a method of debugging code. The name is a reference to a story in the book The Pragmatic Programmer in which a programmer would carry around a rubber duck and debug their code by forcing themselves to explain it, line-by-line,...

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and maybe itll talk back

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Theres quite a few here tbh

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 6:43 AM

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ive tried that but id prefer someone who could talk back

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Not super regular, but still

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You dont go there to talk to the lecturer yert

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:44 AM

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what if I do

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:44 AM

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That would be weird

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Pls dont talk to me after ive given a lecture

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Just like, sit there

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Consume the knowledge

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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ok, no talk, just stare

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intensely

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Yes

vapid bluff Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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dont break eye contact

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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no blink

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Omg, this coffee was hella good

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terning6

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:45 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmm it's been a while

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i haven't had a coffee in maybe 4 months

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Ow

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:46 AM

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i'm a tea dude

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Ah

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:46 AM

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but i can deal with coffee

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maybe i'll have one

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:46 AM

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I deal with coffee as a thing with my breakfast

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Thats about it

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Unless im really tired before a lecture

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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You're so imperial, Scragly

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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imperial?

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Tea, curry powder in your eggs

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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ah yes

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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But coffee is supposed to give thag GWqlabsSigh feel

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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"thag"

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:47 AM

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gotta get myself a portait of the queen

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get things going proper

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Be a little ugh in the morning to set the mood for the day

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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ugh as in good or bad

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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As in ill choke you if you comment on my pr at work ugh

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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which PR?

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and when do you work

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i'll set an alarm

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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When im not at home drinking coffee

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Is that a fetish im sensing

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:49 AM

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depends. can i call you questionable family titles

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:49 AM

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But you dont have access to the work github 😎

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:50 AM

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i can still send you DMs, PyDis Org repo comments, pings and emails

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:50 AM

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I wont be ugh about those

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Cause they optional in my eyes

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Work is like. Ugh, fiiine GWqlabsSigh

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:50 AM

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fair

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what if i just send you emails of amazing looking food when you're supposed to be working

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Id look at em

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While working

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:51 AM

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but the drool

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:51 AM

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I dont drool 🤤

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:52 AM

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lies

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:54 AM

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Only when i sleek

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Sleep

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:54 AM

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ew, wet pillow

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Do you find it weird how your body can make sounds without you feeling them

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:55 AM

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without feeling them?

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i'm unsure if i've not felt a sound occur

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:55 AM

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As in, its just... Sounds

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Usually i feel something

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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well i guess not, because i can listen through a stethoscope and its neat

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so pretty normal

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Like now my belly is processing the coffee

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Going uuuugh

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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see, things like that i can feel

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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I don't feel it now

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Im weirded ouy

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:57 AM

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are you sure you didn't drink a cup of local anaesthetic

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Thonking

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Ugh, this morning was gonna be the start to every other day

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But i dont wanna go workout now

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How to motivate

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 6:58 AM

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the secret to motivation is that you shouldn't feel motivated to do something

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the motivation usually comes after you've started it

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Guess its time to pack up and hit the gym then

dusky orchid Mar 4, 2019, 7:10 AM

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exactly, my kind sir

vapid bluff Mar 4, 2019, 8:18 AM

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>>> timeit.timeit('''
k = [1,2,3,4]
k.insert(0,0)
''')
0.18706219999998552
>>> timeit.timeit('''
k = [1,2,3,4]
k.insert(0,0)
''')
0.1614819000000125
>>> timeit.timeit('''
k = [1,2,3,4]
k[:0] = (0,)
''')
0.15193120000000704
>>> timeit.timeit('''
k = [1,2,3,4]
k[:0] = (0,)
''')
0.15696909999999775
>>>

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why is insert() slower here?

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might seem negligible but those tenths of a seconds could easily add up if this is something you're doing a lot

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then again at that point you'd probably be better served by a deque anyway

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Does it have anything to do with shifting indexes vs creating new ones?

vapid bluff Mar 4, 2019, 8:26 AM

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i wouldnt have a single clue

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time to dig into the cpython repo i suppose

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 AM

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@sand goblet wdym

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 AM

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he has in fact been told not to.

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 AM

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yea

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im not sure why but im not going to disobey the mods so

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Wasn't he told not to enforce?

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Iunno, that's what I thought

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 9:05 AM

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It's for mods to enforce rules

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:06 AM

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yes and then on a different occasion i was told not to direct people to an off topic channel

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or same occasion

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idr

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:06 AM

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I mean, I'm pretty sure I was there, and it was said that it was OK to suggest, but not OK to enforce

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:06 AM

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there's a fine line betwen those two things, yes.

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it's obviously fine to suggest.

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:07 AM

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yea i try to be careful when i suggest going to an off topic channel

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say something like "ill be there"

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:07 AM

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every step you take every move you make I'll be #ot1-perplexing-regexing

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Haha

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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lol

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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I dont see the harm in pointing out something being off topic if you're following the convo and notice its way off topic

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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yea i dont either

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🤷

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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That's what I thought he meant, I guess it wasn't :P

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:08 AM

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But telling others to move ot when youre not even part of the convo is a stretch

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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i think the time i was warned about i did something like post the channel name and say lets go there

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Im sure lemon can debunk my thought process though

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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no, I agree with you

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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GWqlabsLove

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I did the thing

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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whether you're part of the conversation is a factor

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butting into someone elses conversation to tell them they're being off-topic is for mods to do

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:09 AM

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yea i dont think i ever did that

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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moving your own conversation into off-topic is just you following the rules.

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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okay well atleast that clears that up

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Makes sense

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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One is intrusive and should be left to mods. We're the bad guys after all :😎

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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sorry if we haven't been clear enough

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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🤠

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:10 AM

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I think kazo already got it, so probably not your problem :P

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You know what I'm like

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Anywho, time for maffs 🤷‍♂️

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:11 AM

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so uhm talking about before, what do you guys mean by "imposter syndrome" when it comes to code specifically

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Thinking its good enough

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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ive had it related other things mostly just personal problems but ive never had it in regards to coding i dont think

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Its not *

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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It's a pretty well defined thing

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It's when a developer feels like they're not good enough to be in the position they're in

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Even if they actually are

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Meirl

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:12 AM

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yah

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i feel like that sometimes

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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oh i guess feel like that sometimes with coding but its also mostly because im still new

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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mostly because of how much i'm having to look shit up and things

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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i guess its more future imposed imposter syndrome if that makes any sense?

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Tbh, everyone does that

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Even thr lead dev where i intern admitted that most of his code is stackoverflow

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At least inspired by so

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:14 AM

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yeah

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:14 AM

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And i can see that leading to a feeling of imposter syndrome

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:16 AM

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imposter syndrome to me is feeling that I cheated to get the job I have, that I'm completely underqualified, and that if anyone finds out how bad I am at my job I'd not only be fired but probably like sued for fraud or something.

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even though all of that is provably wrong.

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and I know it is. but I still kinda feel like that.

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:16 AM

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that's how i felt about some of the network admin stuff i do

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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why is this such a common insecurity especially in regards to coding?

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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heres my protip for avoiding imposter syndrome: never do anything worth posing as

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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that sounds like bad advice

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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i am very smart CoolDrool

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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worth.. posing as?

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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I don't think you shouldn't do impressive work lol

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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the fuck happened to that sentence

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:17 AM

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so, you shouldn't become a model?

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¬_¬

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:18 AM

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@tame terrace the joke is dont do anything that actually needs any level of qualification ya dork

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:18 AM

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I get what you were trying to say

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you dingus

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:18 AM

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its 3am

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thus i am automatically cleared of all internet.. crimes?

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Go bed

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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i am in bed, owned

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Go sleep then

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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im sleep typing

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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don't drop the phone on your face

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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[citation needed]

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Where's Lucy, I need to tell her to go bed

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 AM

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i used to do that all the time

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:20 AM

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I think imposter syndrome is prevalent in programmers because programming is this thing that appears to be so difficult when viewed from the outside, but then you get your first job and you're just fixing straight forward bugs by print()ing a ton of variables until something makes sense, and repurposing code you found on the internet.

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Yeah, that's a good point

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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im not the only one that does that?

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i thought only noobs did that 😅

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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and you feel like "what I'm doing is probably not the real programming. The other coders probably know what the fuck they're doing."

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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the real expert pros prolly use debug tools tbh

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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i still use print to debug :3

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:21 AM

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You don't always have access to a debugger :P

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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I do use a debugger but it amounts to the same thing most of the time.

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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i do just spam prints everywhere and im a code jam champ so think of that what you will

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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i've never written tests or w/e for my codes

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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"we don't do tests" where I work.

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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debugging almost never helps as much as printing some stuff and reading the errors

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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and oh

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I do have a colleague who never uses stack overflow

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on pure principle

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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lol

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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and his code is atrocious

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:22 AM

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i prefer to at least have a test of "does it actually run" tbh

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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i read stack overflow sometimes but i dont really like the people there

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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he writes code like a man who's never seen code in his life

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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most of the comments are unnecessary questions imo

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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every time he solves a problem he reinvents the motherfucking wheel.

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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seems like a simple thing but let me tell you managing a github repo with other coders is hell if you make that assumption

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:23 AM

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he wrote a flask API and it looks like an entirely different framework

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:24 AM

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is he one of those people who would try and make an email regex on his own?

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:24 AM

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haha

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:24 AM

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wdym @ivory tiger

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:24 AM

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@river anvil there are a disturbing number of people who add in code that straight up does not run

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crashes everything on runtime level shit

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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thats why you test your code before you commit

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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PR requirements are my favourite thing because of that

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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he wrote this validation system for his endpoints to validate input data and he wrote this automatic documentation system so that each endpoint would also allow GET requests that showed the docstring and the input and output types. .. and it's vast and confusing and there are perfectly good tools for doing either of those things already.

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Yeah I just posted about it on python discussion

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Pushed code that does not work

tame terrace Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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he spent weeks, maybe months on it. it's such a fucking waste of time.

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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o_o

river anvil Mar 4, 2019, 9:25 AM

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i still need to learn how to use git

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:26 AM

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the only people that can get away with no stack overflow is the leading edge cream of the crop researchers tbh

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"Google superAI" level coders

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:26 AM

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I've been learning Django and my browser at home has like 30 tabs open in the programming container

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I'd say about a quarter are stack overflow

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:27 AM

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like, youd expect the space shuttle team to not use the stack overflow route

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:27 AM

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I don't think I'd trust them if they didn't

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:28 AM

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but sorry ceo joe, junior programmer bobby is not a space shuttle engineer, and your email system is not a space shuttle

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@sand goblet i would just considering the amount of testing and documentation they do

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a one line change once racked up over 40k pages of testing logs over there

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:29 AM

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"Damn i18n changes"

ivory tiger Mar 4, 2019, 9:29 AM

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iirc in their two decades of operation theyve pushed only 10 minor bugs to production

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and no major bugs

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i suppose it makes sense

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one memory leak and youve got some crisped astronauts and billions of bucks scattered across several states

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:32 AM

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Yeah, true

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 9:36 AM

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I'm going to spend my day writing tests for my react components today :😎

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Cause I do test stuff

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Has anyone written tests for auth0 in jest here?

sand goblet Mar 4, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Oh, that's weird

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there's a guy on voice but if you have the category collapsed and click on him

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It seems like he has no roles

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but they do show if you expand the category

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Bug report time?!

tiny raven Mar 4, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I just rethought my method for coding a project and realised it was the same idea but the same

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And now it works

vestal briar Mar 4, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Anyone know if this phone is good: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Single-SIM-Android-SIM-Free-Smartphone-Black-Black/dp/B07D9SWM1K/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1551719930&sr=1-1&keywords=y7

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 5:32 PM

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@rough sapphire Have you been programming in Python for long?

rough sapphire Mar 4, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Nope, I only know Python from Al Swegerts Automate the boring stuff with Python. Till 12th chapter. I still studying

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I am*

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@oak tangle You guys look well versed with Python..

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 5:36 PM

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automate the boring stuff, good book

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Yeah, great way to start!

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If you like videos, Corey Schafer also has nice video tutorials on his YouTube channel

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They cover some topics not covered in Automate

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 5:39 PM

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his flask series is really good

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Yeah and Automate has nothing on classes, so if you're interested in that, Corey has a series on OOP I think

glass gorge Mar 4, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Yup

gentle moss Mar 4, 2019, 5:48 PM

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i still don't use classes ¬_¬

oak tangle Mar 4, 2019, 5:50 PM

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That's why you're always in our filter; lack of class.

hexed jackal Mar 4, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Responding to earlier conversation

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I think using stackoverflow to get shit done is what most do because its just impossible to sit around and research every little thing u need to do in documentation. If you can go to stackoverflow, find a solution and use it in your code, AND understand why, i think its reasonable

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It’s like learning math, you cant memorize every formula, but if you’ve practised them, you’ll know they exist

acoustic brook Mar 4, 2019, 7:15 PM

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things like stackoverflow mean i can be useful now instead of like years from now

hexed jackal Mar 4, 2019, 7:15 PM

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So you can look it up later and apply it

acoustic brook Mar 4, 2019, 7:15 PM

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because busy af

hexed jackal Mar 4, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Im not a professional programmer, but Ill constantly take some code from stack and modify it and use it

acoustic brook Mar 4, 2019, 7:16 PM

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I was a trucker, now I'm construction industry. automating simple things got me a job I don't hate

hexed jackal Mar 4, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Just about constantly learning new stuff and reading

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I just got into web development, and i didnt even know i need rest apis before i learned what it is

acoustic brook Mar 4, 2019, 7:19 PM

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no idea. can you tell them to call to fewer domains so my noscript doesn't go as crazy?

vestal briar Mar 5, 2019, 12:21 AM

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Damn

📎 Screenshot_from_2019-03-05_00-21-14.png

tired osprey Mar 5, 2019, 12:40 AM

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its just that bisk always well

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does bisk things like saying evil words which get detected by the bots and then the admins get a ping

river anvil Mar 5, 2019, 3:27 AM

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does java have dictionaries?

dusky orchid Mar 5, 2019, 3:31 AM

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it has JSON

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oh wait, java

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Map

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you can use HashMap for a similar setup to python dicts

river anvil Mar 5, 2019, 3:33 AM

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ok

tame pier Mar 5, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Yeah, HashMap

vestal briar Mar 5, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Having a problem with Flask template routing

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I have 2 views that both render 2 seperate about.html pages

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They only render 1

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They are in completely diffrent blueprints so I don't see why this should happen

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 1:36 AM

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lmao

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amazing!

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463035241142026251/552284541906190336/Screenshot_from_2019-03-05_00-21-14.png

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:05 AM

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hey guys

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im having issues with my code architecture

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should classes depend on specific classes or be as general as possible and have the code that calls the class worry about implementation?

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i might have mentioned this before but i didnt really get a response

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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the question feels obscure

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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okay

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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can you give a use example

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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sure

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say i have a todo app, and that todo app has a task manager dialog (and a python class to manage the logic) and that task manager dialog has a datetime popover class to manage the logic of a date time popover. Should that date time popover just expose things like hours, minutes, days month and years? or save that information to an arrow or datetime object which it then uses as an interface with the task manager?

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so in my example, should i use a specific class like an arrow or datetime object to interface between the datetime popover and the task manager? or should i just expose the things like the hours, minutes, days, months and years, and leave it up to the task manager on how to handle those details?

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am i making sense?

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guys?

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@dusky orchid ?

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:22 AM

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i like to have models provide the attribute values that would be needed by anything

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if something could use the hrs, mins, days, mnths, yrs individually, then sure why not

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otherwise if it's something that is only ever accessed as a whole, and only really useful as a datetime-like object

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why not provide that

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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i guess so

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:23 AM

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this is one of those things that entirely up to the intended usage and friendliness of the api

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so up to interpretation

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:24 AM

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okay, let me paste my code

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what would you recommend to improve this https://bpaste.net/show/bd4c97fc331e

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in terms of architecture

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it feels....wrong

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i dunno

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its just im using the interaction between the datetimepopover and the task manager, to guide me on how to handle the interaction between the task manage and the main window code

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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i don't use gtk, so i'm not really the person to review the model

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also i've got at least 6 other code reviews waiting for me in the org repos 😅

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all i can say is try using it

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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oh

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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if there's things you never use, then maybe they're mostly useless

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if things feel clunky, refine it

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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i think i use everything so far

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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It seems fine to me

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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i just feel its wrong to depend on the arrow object for interaction

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:28 AM

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these things are definitely part of an iterative process of using and refining

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but overall, the model seems clean

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:29 AM

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thanks

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:29 AM

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if you don't want arrow, use the builtin datetime objects

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it's usually better to do that in order to keep code relatively agnostic

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:30 AM

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yeah, thats the issue im having, whether i should depend on a wrapper class or just expose the properties. In this case, arrow would be the wrapper class, but for the task manager class, it would have to be a custom low level Task() class, that would make the task manager unable to be used without having that class

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:31 AM

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if you can say for sure arrow will always be available on anything you use this code with, it doesn't matter as much

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but if you ever want to move or copy this to somewhere it isn't, you'll not want to depend heavily on a 3rd party lib

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:32 AM

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so it would be best to just leave the other properties and remove the arrow properties?

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and leave it up to the caller, whether they wish to use arrow or not?

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the conflict im having, is i dont know if its better for my code to be reusable and as agnostic as possible, or to integrate other stuff that would be useful

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because in the datetime popover example, if i remove the arrow dependency, the popover cant have the option to set to the current date/time anymore

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Why not use datetime.datetime.now() instead of arrow.now()?

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:36 AM

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okay

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but this is just an example

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i still dont know if i should make things agnostic or "depend on other classes" as it were

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:37 AM

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lean towards stdlib deps

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unless it's for very very specific application models

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not libs

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if anyone is going to import your code, leave it to the user if they wish to use a 3rd party lib preferrably

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:38 AM

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yeah

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im wondering if i should start with the simplest class i have, then incrementally add functionality by wrapping it in other classes

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so in my example, id have an arrow free class, then create a datetime popover subclass that offers the arrow property, if a user wishes to use that

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 4:42 AM

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there's no reason to offer that

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If someone wants to use arrow, they can convert the datetime object you provide into something usable with arrow

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with a minimum amount of effort

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:42 AM

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ye

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 4:43 AM

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It's a waste of energy to provide a feature that ultimately has little benefit to the user and is unlikely to see much if any use.

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:43 AM

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for example, i personally wouldn't use arrow

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i don't like it

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i would use pendulum

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everyone has their own set tastes with libs they use

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:45 AM

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huh

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okay

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ive been thinking, maybe i should focus less on making my code reusable

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i mean, it would be simpler to just code what i need to get this app to work

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and dont worry about anything else

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right?

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at this point im so confused 😫

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:48 AM

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are you making a lib or an app

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:48 AM

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an app

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:49 AM

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then don't worry about it

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the models should make sense and be self documenting, but you don't need to worry about the cases of "will other people want to use this lib" because they don't have a choice, it's an app

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way less thinking involved

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:50 AM

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yeah

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one last thing, if an object has an inner object, is there a way to "pass" through the properties of the inner object?

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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what do you mean

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like a class has an attribute that's of another class type?

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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yeah

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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like member.guild?

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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yeah

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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you'd simply map the attributes

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it's better to respect clear namespaces though

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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yeah

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:54 AM

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if it's directly relevant to the main class though, sure why not

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just self.attributename = self.someobj.theirattribute

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if you wish to transform it in some way, utilise a property

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:55 AM

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yeah

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and that would work for both getting and setting?

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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no, you'd want a property for that

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 4:56 AM

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oh

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ohh okay

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thanks!

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wheres the kinks

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lol

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hey guys, what do you think about this indentation style?

while (x == y){
something();
somethingelse(); }

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 5:10 AM

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K&R? Meh.

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 5:11 AM

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whats that

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k&r but the last brace is on the same line as the last statement

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 5:12 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style

Indentation style

In computer programming, an indentation style is a convention governing the indentation of blocks of code to convey program structure. This article largely addresses the free-form languages, such as C and its descendants, but can be (and often is) applied to most other progra...

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I like that even less

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 5:14 AM

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oh

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what do you use?

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 5:17 AM

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I use Python

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 5:17 AM

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really? i wouldnt have guessed!

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Otherwise Allman

while(True)
{
    ...
}

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You're on a Python server so I couldn't resist 😉

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 5:18 AM

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lol

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thats what i used to do

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but the extra line kept breaking my train of thought

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because i see blank lines as differences in logic

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i think ill keep my method

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a combination of K&R and lisp

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it just looks more pythonic

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the only issue is if the indentation from stuff being in a bracket is the same as the stuff outside

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then i just over indent

tame pier Mar 6, 2019, 5:19 AM

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I used to use K&R but have come to like Allman more the last few years

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having the ending brace on the same line as code is honestly infuriating

rough sapphire Mar 6, 2019, 5:21 AM

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why?

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the biggest issue i have with allman is that its not usable with things like function parentheses or assignment to lists without escaping the enter key

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eg

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[
    1,
    2,
    3,
]```

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which just looks...odd

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with k&r, python already follows that when it comes to function parantheses and arguments, eg

    1,
    2,
    3,
]```

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It has a name! Pico indent style :)

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lol, i think its the least used indent style

steel fox Mar 6, 2019, 5:32 AM

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@dusky orchid

📎 image0.jpg

dusky orchid Mar 6, 2019, 5:33 AM

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evo stone would better being cubone mask

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gen 1 lavendar throwbacks

steel fox Mar 6, 2019, 5:34 AM

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True

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:12 AM

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why wont my batteries work

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my battery tester says their fine

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but my remote doesnt work when i put them in

rare pivot Mar 6, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Could it be your remote not working? :D

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:22 AM

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partially this remote is garbage but i just had batteries in it and they worked alright up until they started to die

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then i got new ones that are exactly the same but unused

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and now they wont work

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:22 AM

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anybdoy have any knowledge on RasbPis?

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:23 AM

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probably, you should ask your question though :p

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unless you just wanted to confirm that someone here had knowledge of raspis 😛

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

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oh iwas just wondering what are some cool projects to do with one

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i just bought a 3 B+

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-03-06_at_5.24.05_AM.png

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with this stuff

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and idk what to do w it

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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why get that when you can get a raspi 0 with a camer and stuff and do something cool

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idk

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uh

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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i wanted one with some oomph

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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does it have an interface?

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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i was thinkin gabout running my router through it and adding a WiFi wide ad blocker

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nah i can just ssh

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i dont need a GUI

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but

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it has an HDMI adapter

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:27 AM

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i mean a physical one

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:27 AM

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so i can plug it into my computer

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oh

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:27 AM

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ok

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:28 AM

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@river anvil by phys interface u mean like an HDMI port right?

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(im very new to the hardware side of things) only other board i have is an ATTiny85 dev board for rubber ducky shit

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:28 AM

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idunno

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:30 AM

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I've got a couple rasppis

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One of them just runs arch (alarmpi), it's got a SAMBA share on it and that's about it, but it's an older pi

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I also have a 3B+ and that one is running HassOS

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which is to say, I'm using it for Home Assistant

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

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what does your home assistant do?

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is it just alexa but less creepy

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:32 AM

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it's a big hub for all the stuff in my house

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z-wave devices like plugs and an outdoor sensor

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sonos/spotify connect

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google wifi stats

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it reports my location and the locations of my family members

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which is often pretty useful

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:32 AM

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I just bought a 3B+

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:32 AM

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it's also got my CCTV

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I'm gonna hook it up to the Sky Q boxes in my house so I can see what people are watching and stuff

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:33 AM

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i think im going to use it to 1. act as an interface between my computer and LEDs like a wireless controller (i wanna write my own software for it) and a housewide adblocker (saw it on youtube)

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:33 AM

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thats more creepy than alexa

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

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@sand goblet remind me to never rob ur house

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

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here's a couple panels I have right now

📎 unknown.png

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

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thats a cool front end

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did you make it

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

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my homeassistant also does stuff like providing airplay targets for my sonos/chromecast devices

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frontend is bundled, but you can customize it

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Is it react?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:35 AM

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hell if I know

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:35 AM

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im surprised theres no #home-assistants channel

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:35 AM

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wait is bundled the name of the gui?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:36 AM

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bundled?

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the gui is called lovelace

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📎 unknown.png

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:36 AM

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what is that media player for?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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That is for a Sonos speaker

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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omg is that where people ar ein the house up top

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Where in the house? No

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Actually I only have two zones set up so far

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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spa?

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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"Spa" and "Home"

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Home, which is.. y'know, home

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and spa, which is where I work

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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ah i see

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thought u might of had a hottub at the house or something'

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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spa gaa?

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you dont work from home?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I don't work from home no

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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huh

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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I could work from home

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i should of yesterday

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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📎 IMG_20190306_103814.jpg

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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instead i was late to the engineering stand up and its so awk walking into everybody talking

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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this is what I have to use at the office lol

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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aa

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its so bright out there

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its 2 am

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for me

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pitch black

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:38 AM

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go bed

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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im eat

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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📎 unknown.png

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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GO BEd

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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this is my setup rn lmao

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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that your home setup?

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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but im getting a new computer in a few hours (hopefull if UPS doesnt slack)

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yeah

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Ill show u work later when i get to the office

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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i dont have aphone on me but i have a laptop and a cheap mouse + mousepad

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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i swear i have the easiest engineering job ever

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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on a couch

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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@sand goblet will you ever join the higher ups again

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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📎 IMG_20190227_215341.jpg

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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oh damn

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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knew I had a photo somewhere

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Join? you say that like it's my choice

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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well listen i have a laptop thats about to blow up sitting on the floor being cooled by 2 table fans

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im replacing it tomorrow tho

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well isnt it?

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you chose to leave did u not

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Yup, I did

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It's probably better this way, some of them are even more emotional about it than I am

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

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semantics aside i think he was asking if youd ever reapply

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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There's no application process

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You get picked

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I thought u were just on temp leave

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u were an owner right?

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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what was the drama w/ you and the staff

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Drama?

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I was an owner, yes

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it wasn't intended to be temporary, no

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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you said some people didnt like you being staff

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/354619224620138496/528949717950791690

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i took the . "break" part as temporary

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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I didn't write that

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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yeah ik

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

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it was clarified later on

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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ah ok

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must of missed it

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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actually I wasn't consulted about it at all :P

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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oof so it wasnt ur choice?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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huh?

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I meant the announcement

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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did you miss what i said or are purposely not answering it?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:43 AM

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huh?

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Oh, I missed it

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People didn't like me being staff? No, I don't think that's entirely right

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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you said something like that in meta

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a week ago or so

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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do you guys know any tools for macOS that are like prntscrn?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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I think I probably said they had a hard time dealing with me not being owner

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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getting tired of the macOS screenshot feature

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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why?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Because I always was

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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oh

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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I've been here longer than most of the staff

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:44 AM

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wow

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does the original owner still dwell here?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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No

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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or is that lemon

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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how was not being staff at all different than being not owner

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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ahh

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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That was a guy named Nereus

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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what happened to him

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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lemon wasnt the original owner?

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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i love big servers for this reason

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Well, he went AWOL

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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theres always like a story behind the OG owner

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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It was before I was even here

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He was super busy with school

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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sounds like r/jailbreak

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except that got messy

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adn still is

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Joseph was a secondary owner

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At some point, Nereus appeared and appointed this guy nobody had heard of as an owner

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:46 AM

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lemon?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:46 AM

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No

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I think his name was.. burnitdown?

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Anyway, nice guy

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But he was basically just there to report back to nereus

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:46 AM

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ah

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like a delegate

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:46 AM

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yeah

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I think he knew him IRL

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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prob

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or from a diff community

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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he actually gave server ownership to this guy

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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doubt he'd leave a sub's discord as big as this one to a rando

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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like, overall ownership, transferred it

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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oh wow

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like delete server perms

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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who has overall ownership now?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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anyway, eventually we all had a big chat with burnitdown, the entire staff agreed that joseph should have it, and that's what eventually happened

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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joseph has it?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:47 AM

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yep

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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ah i thought that was lemon

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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well the server is partnered

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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yeah me too

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Check the profiles

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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yh

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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what

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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wait

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shouldnt it have a check mark?

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or is that gaming servers

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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no, that's something else

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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nope

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its not official

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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"verified"

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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you can see that joseph has partnership and lemon doesn't

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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ah true

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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yeah we're not official, so no checkmark

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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well u partnered

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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they did ask us if we were in the application iirc

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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yea but not official

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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yes

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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wtf

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it sends link without http?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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yes.

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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sorry bout that

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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discord logic

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:P

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it's our invite, who cares

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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i remember i found this server on a reddit post with 12 views and a downvote made 2 years ago lol

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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true

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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funny how far its come

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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idk when i joined

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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yeah that's how I found it

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one of joseph's reddit posts

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

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but i was banned for a good 6 mo.

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then KnownError appealed for me

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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that was joseph?

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!joined

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whats the command

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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and I was fucking psyched because it was the kind of community I both wanted to be part of, but also the type of community I'd been trying to start myself for nearly a decade

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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!profile

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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#bot-commands

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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you can't get another user's info

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iirc

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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i wanna know mine

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!info

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!user

royal lakeBOT Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Nah.

Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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aw

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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anyway, to answer your question, kazo

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Think

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did u leave or something @river anvil

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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no

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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I had been thinking of leaving staff for.. quite some time

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before I actually did it

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the staff knows that because I used to talk about it

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while the actual quitting was impulsive and over something stupid, I quickly realised that I did need to take the time to look after myself, and decided not to go back

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

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sometimes its better to distance urself from things

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

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why did you do it at first?

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

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im sure the size of this discord and amount of responsibility is a lot as well

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

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I used to get annoyed at how joseph behaved in staff channels, because he is kind of a kid sometimes - but really, you kind of expect that given that he is a teenager

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

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what else do owners do besides make decisions and be in charge of staff

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lol yea

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

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so this was one of those times, I decided to block him for like half an hour so I could go cool off and lemon chimed in with a stupid meme

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so I was like fuck it and left

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

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ahhh

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joesph is a teen?

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that makes more sense

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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yea hes 15 iirc

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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yeah

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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zoomeyes

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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I stayed away from this server for about a month

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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that explains why i was banned so quickly

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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ay dont blame your ban on the kid

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:54 AM

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this is the first time ive been active for more than just a quick question in 2 months

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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I came back to hang out, maybe provide a bit of help, and also because I had some stuff I needed to ask

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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anything we can help w?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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lemon extended an olive branch in the form of helper and contributor

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I was kind of apprehensive, but I took it

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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why dont u have either?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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I'll get to it

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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getting back to my question earlier, what else do owners do besides make decisions and be in charge of staff?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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dammit kazo

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it's story time

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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wow

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:55 AM

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:P

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:56 AM

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were you avoiding me 😕

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:56 AM

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questions soon

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:56 AM

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okay

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:56 AM

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it was immediately clear that the rest of staff weren't entirely used to the idea of me not being owner

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some of them were immediately offering to promote me to mod and higher

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one guy wrote a multi-page essay slamming some of the dev decisions myself and another staffer made before I left

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

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?

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why

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

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because he disagreed :P

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

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sounds like an ass ngl

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

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anyway, that was the thing that made me realise being staff was a bad idea, at least for now

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so I rejoined the server to clear my roles

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

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must of had a boring life if he wrote a multi page essay

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i went through somethign like that with my old server

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Eh, the guy has some strong opinoins, it's one of the things that helps him be decisisve as a developer

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

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gave ownership to my co but ran things from behind closed doors

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:58 AM

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descisive?

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descicive?

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can't spell

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so yeah, that's basically where I've been at since then

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Are you saying

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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but you know, I get it

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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they made a descision

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or

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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it's not easy for them either

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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divided on one

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Divisive or Decisive

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Decisive

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yeha

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ok

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i get it no wlmao

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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:P

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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sorry havent slep yet and its 6am

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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you've gotta understand that like

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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got work in 3 hours yeet

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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for a lot of them, this is the first big community they've looked after

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Yeha i can imagine

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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and nothing like this has ever happened here

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so I don't really blame them for not knowing how to act or getting upset or whatever

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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how did the server even get this big?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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the one thing I don't like is that there has been a tendency to sort of tiptoe around me because the thing was related to mental health

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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its the official Python server

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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no its not

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lol wat

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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but like I say, understanding how to deal with that stuff doesn't really come naturally

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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is it not?

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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no

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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it is the official server of r/Python yes

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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yeah

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i meant for the sub

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not python,org

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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ah yes

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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I think the initial growth was mostly reddit

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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how did it become to be the official one of the sub

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:01 AM

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There were some earlier server partnerships

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some of them were great, some of them were kind of terrible

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we ended up absorbing an entire other server, Do You Even Python

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dyepd

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that's where this comes from

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:P

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:02 AM

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oh

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:02 AM

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a lot of their staff are staff here now too

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The staff here is great by the way, I could vouch for pretty much all of them

#

anyway, to finally answer what macs asked

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just asking to come back is out of the question, and right now I'm still not sure it's a good idea

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it's out of the question primarily, I think, because staff feels like I've been away too long

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I can't really speak for their own internal reasoning though, since I'm not privvy to it

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it's not like I don't miss it, by the way

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running a large python community is something I've wanted to do for most of the last decade, and until this place I was never successful in any capacity

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:05 AM

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thats a very specific dream

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:05 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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it is what it is

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:05 AM

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yea

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uh so my question, what responsibilities come with ownership?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:06 AM

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owner is a very involved role here

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veeeery involved

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everything from working with other communities and companies, to making decisions, to figuring out PR, to heading up devops

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it is a metric ton of work

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:06 AM

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sounds like it

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:07 AM

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it's very rewarding though, or at least it was for me

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mm

#

this situation has been quite tricky for everyone to deal with I think

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when I first left, everyone was quite supportive, but there was this obvious assumption that I would be back

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it didn't entirely feel like I was being taken seriously

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I think they get it now

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but I know there are a few staff members that are unhappy with me because I've had a hard time learning to like, not owner people

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which is fair enough, really

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this isn't the first time I've explained my viewpoints on this either, but most of the people that I've told this story feel like the "being away too long" thing is kind of bull

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I think I kind of accepted it because I do have a lot of self doubt and other related issues, but at this point it's like

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I trust the judgement of staff as a whole

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so it's probably more than that

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whatever it is is probably none of my business, and it's also probably none of yours either (no offense), so probably none of us will actually hear what it is :P

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but that's okay

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

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yep im okay with not knowing somtimes the less is better

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Nah, I wouldn't mind knowing

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a chance to grow is always a good thing

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but it's not my decision, yknow

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:12 AM

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thats why i try to avoid replying when i have nothing left to add and why sometimes i try my best to not be a perfectionist and just let things be the way they are

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life treats you better if you just let things go sometimes

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atleast thats what ive learned

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sometimes i take blame for something that wasnt my fault

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or apologize when i did nothing wrong

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:13 AM

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well sometimes you just have to suck it up, but I disagree that it's a good way to live life

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but it's not really about perfectionism

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everyone has a reputation, and these days it's one of the most important things

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:13 AM

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idk it just reminds me of this experiment a guy did a while ago

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you know the prisoner dilemma thing

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where you can defect to your accomplice or be cooperative

#

anyways there was a guy a while back who had people mail in stratedgies for this program to run against others

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and he found the most succesful one was one labeled forgiving tit for tat

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where sometimes it would do what the opponent did

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and sometimes it would let defects slide

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i could probably find this for you if youre interested

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:15 AM

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I think I get the idea

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:15 AM

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sorry i got carried away there

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Nah it's fine

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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i think reputation is important you can ruin it just as easily by not letting things go

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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went into #ot1-philosphical-speaking

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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lol

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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I think that with this situation

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like, you asked me about the drama

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I don't think I'd call this drama per se

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and it feels like kind of a write-off to just label it that

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:16 AM

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what would you call it then?

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

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life? :P

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I mean the vast majority of this was handled like an adult would

#

aside from the giant essay there isn't really anything to complain about

#

that's the only thing that reaaaally made me feel like shit

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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it sounds like some petty thing i wouldve done a year ago

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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i hate essays

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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I do feel bad and a little disappointed that there probably isn't a place for me on the team anymore,

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but I won't apologise for taking the time to look after my mental health

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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it just sounds incrediably stupid and not worth anybodies time

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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youre still a part of our community

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

#

this

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:19 AM

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and still have the respecvt of a lot of people

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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you have to understand how conflicting this is though

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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ive had nothing but good conversations with you

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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like even the otnames

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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soemting i cant say about the others

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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look at ot0

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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is that from u

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gdude

#

omg

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

it refers to the g in his name

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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I considered asking for them to remove all of the otnames that refer to my name

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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theres a lot of those

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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i thought it would of been geodude

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like the pokemon

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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i think it stands for gareth

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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none of them are correct

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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right

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

yeah

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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😄

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:20 AM

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damn is this just public info that ive never witnesse

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

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yes

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

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yep

#

its his github name

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

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it came from a joke that lemon made originally in a staff channel

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sort of took off from there

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every day, the G stood for something else

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so then when the otnames came around a bunch of them made it in

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

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my coworkers prolly think im a skid

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-03-06_at_6.21.34_AM.png

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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but yeah I dunno

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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theyre probably just trying to be nice

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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part of me doesn't want to be remembered

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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:/

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

#

FeelsBadMan

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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and I haven't quite figured out how to deal with that yet

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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i think you should just keep doing what your doing

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:22 AM

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just... let it go.

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let it be

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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take it easy, elsa

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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lol

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i mean what i was saying earlier

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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I know. :P

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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dont hold onto it

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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if you are remembered you're remembered as a good guy who helped out and used to be an owner. if you arent... well so what a bunch of people from a discord shouldnt matter to you

sand goblet Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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that's easy for you to say

river anvil Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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theres a latin word for this that i cant think of right now

empty canopy Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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sorry if my input is unwarrented just thought id get that out there hate to see u down