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sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:47 PM

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river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:47 PM

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river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:50 PM

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lmao

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such a bad ad

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i get it all the time

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Why you gotta derail

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:53 PM

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imma derail more

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@tame terrace how do we make your rice cookery food?

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share your secrets

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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hyperlemon

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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ok screw you guys

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:P

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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you don't know how to cook rice?

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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mostly cuz im looking at rice cookers

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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plain white rice, cook for 15 minuts, let it stay in pot without water for 10 more, enjoy

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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aww gdude food is fun tho

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in a rice coker or in a pot?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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just boil the rice in a pan

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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and also no one really wants to discuss paedophiles

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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or something

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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wtf

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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rice and pasta cook the same way dont they

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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we weren't

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:54 PM

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i feel like that would burn the rice

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oh

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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maybe but thats how i cook pasta

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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who cooks dry pasta in a pan...

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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get a pot and put boiling water in

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then put the pasta in

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what ever

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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you guys didn't even read the conversation you were derailing

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that's gold xD

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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pan pot

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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its called off topic for a reason gdude 😉

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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its derailing central

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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there are three channels for a reason though

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I thought I could stop saying that since I left staff..

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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yeah but like no one was talking in the others

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:55 PM

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we need 3 more

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:)

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like the help channels

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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you two are like

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the worst couple ever

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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awh

lilac glade Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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thinkinghd

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That shouldn't be here.

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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not the worst

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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ah im not good at putting in time and effort :/

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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oh trust me

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we know

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xD

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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😒

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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lol

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:56 PM

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just i get distracted easily

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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okay derailing again

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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what I do is

wash the rice
wash the rice some more. washing rice is awesome.
put the rice in a dry pot
fill up with water until it covers the rice and maybe a fingertip above the rice level
max heat that motherfucker and bring it to a boil
as soon as it starts to boil, set the heat to the lowest setting, put a lid on it, and forget it exists until you're ready to eat. 20-30 minutes is enough for it to be perfectly fluffy and awesome.

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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why is it os.___make___dirs

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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wait nooo

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i wanna see the rice

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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and os.___mk___dir

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what the heck is going on

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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it's mirroring a system-level API

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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what

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:57 PM

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so it's not really a python problem

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it's a gnu c problem

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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@tame terrace how do you wash rice?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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in water, dood.

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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how do you wash anything:P

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rinse it a bunch of times

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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ok

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but like with a colander or a pot?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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what

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Can't rinse away these sins

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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you don't need a colander for it.

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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okay use your head for a second

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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wash rice with more rice

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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what is gonna happen when you put grains of rice

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into a colander?

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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just put water in the pot, use your hands, pour out water.

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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make it nice and ricey

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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maybe you put it all in the colander and collect it from the bottom idk

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:58 PM

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depends on the colander, g :P

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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he didn't say sieve, lemon

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:P

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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oooh yeah or rinse it with a sieve

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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My rice have instructions on the box that specifically say not to wash it.

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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then u dont have to collect it

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oh

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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you likely have part-cooked rice then

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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i havent looked at the box's instructions

worn kite Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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parboiled rice?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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lemon

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 9:59 PM

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most rice say don't wash it. but if you're buying rice that comes in a box, you're probably not buying good rice anyway

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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you say to rinse rice

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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just get one of those 1kg linen sacks

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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haha good point

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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but we all know youre a robot

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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it costs nothing

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lasts you a year

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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hmm

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I actually have no idea where I'd get that

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Never seen one of those.

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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hmm what if the rice comes in a metal container?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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then you're paying too much for rice

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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you go to your local import food store

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they have a whole section full of rice

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:00 PM

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ours don't

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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i like the metal ones :/

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theyre not that expensive

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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they have a whole section of dried fish instead usually

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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how much are they

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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📎 variety-rice-stack-up-asian-market-27686263.png

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I go to a place like this

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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idk im assuming - my parents buy them

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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yeah, that's what I was thinking

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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we dont have a place like that

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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just that's all dried fish instead of rice

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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wait how can you tell thats dried fish?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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or like, noodles

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oh my god, dood

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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lemon goes to dreamtime.com for his rice?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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you are not paying attention at all

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:P

tame terrace Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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obtuse

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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it says rice on the back

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*bag

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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if you were paying attention

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you'd know I was talking about the import store I have here

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:P

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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ohhhh

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how do u guys have import stores, but you dont have different kinds of flour?

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like semolina flour

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:03 PM

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I'm gonna spray you with one of those squirty water bottles in a minute

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we do have semolina flour

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there's this big "import store" known as "tesco" that has it

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:03 PM

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i swear we had a convo like a week ago, and u guys said u didnt have special flours

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or was that bisk?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:03 PM

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I don't think it was bisk

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he has more or less the same stores

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:03 PM

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it was definitely one of you two

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:04 PM

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I don't recall saying that

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I dunno why I would either

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it isn't true

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we can get flours

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:04 PM

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📎 unknown.png

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:04 PM

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oh, sure, because it's expensive and you only get like

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a 150g pot

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but you can get it

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:04 PM

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😒

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:05 PM

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it's a small enough container that I'm not sure what it's actually good for

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:05 PM

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u could probably still use it to cover a pizza stone and stuff

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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actually I just looked it up

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I'm not sure what the difference between "semolina" and "semolina flour" is

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but we only have the first one

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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theres a difference?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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I dunno

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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i thought they were the same thign

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:06 PM

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is there?

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they seem to think you can feed 4 people with 50g of semolina

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that doesn't really sound like a flour

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:07 PM

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i mean u never know, maybe u can 🤷

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i dont think its really like white flour in that sense

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its just its made from wheat

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:07 PM

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durum wheat, yeah

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:08 PM

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get some and try 😃

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:08 PM

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okay so it looks like

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this stuff costs around uhh

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€5.50 ish for 500g

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in the UK you can get a 1.5KG bag of the fine stuff for.. around €2?

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wut

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:09 PM

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i think your local store is ripping you off 😂

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:09 PM

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it's not like a corner store

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tesco is a nationwide chain

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:09 PM

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its still ripping you off

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:10 PM

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oh wow, mumsnet sucks

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📎 unknown.png

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note the timer at the top right

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when that empties they assume you consent

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and play it anyway

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

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what the heck

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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that feels like its against gdpr

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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it is

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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report them 😃

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:15 PM

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bit late at night for me to call a lawyer over a dailymotion video embed

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:P

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:16 PM

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is there not like a form you can fill out or something?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:16 PM

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I dunno

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probably not

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:16 PM

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but if u dont report them, who will?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 10:17 PM

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someone that isn't tired at 10:20pm

worn kite Feb 21, 2019, 10:19 PM

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To quote import this:

Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than *right* now.

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 10:24 PM

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lol

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 11:51 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/HHWTqLg.mp4

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vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 11:51 PM

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uncanny

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 11:51 PM

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dont spoil it i have bad internet

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 AM

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wtf

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 AM

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So good

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xD

rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 12:54 AM

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@sand goblet my eyes.. -

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it burns

shell blade Feb 22, 2019, 1:03 AM

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wtf lol

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 1:15 AM

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watching tv shows from 2005 is really weird

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like u see all the different trends

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mobile phones look different

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cars look shit

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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good old indestructible brick phones

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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lol yeah it was like a black one with an antenna

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 2:37 AM

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https://youtu.be/P8jTH7ZDoSo

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rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 2:43 AM

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if you squint real hard, it says Tron

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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whats your fastest minesweepr solve on easy

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i got 25

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granite lake Feb 22, 2019, 4:35 AM

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What cartoon was this again ?

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Wallace and Gromit

granite lake Feb 22, 2019, 4:35 AM

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agh

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 4:36 AM

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aw you beat me to it kosa

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:36 AM

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finger_gun_dank

granite lake Feb 22, 2019, 4:36 AM

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kazo and kosa

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kinda sounds same

viscid quarry Feb 22, 2019, 4:37 AM

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one's z other's s

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also one's yellow one's not

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so just say yellow one or not yellow one

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granite lake Feb 22, 2019, 4:37 AM

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hehe

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 4:39 AM

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wow im not yellow one now lol

viscid quarry Feb 22, 2019, 4:40 AM

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xd

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sowwi

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 4:41 AM

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lol its ok

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:46 AM

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need you guyses input

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I'm working on a GUI calculator that supports postfix, infix and prefix notation. For postfix and prefix, there is a button to separate the next input from the current number, I'm just not sure what to label the button, or to leave it blank

viscid quarry Feb 22, 2019, 4:46 AM

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yea

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 4:47 AM

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can you give an example of what it does?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@summer rampart I assume you mean for postfix and prefix

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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yep

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whoops typo, I dumb

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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for postfix, old-school HP calculators use an up arrow, which fits with the whole stack metaphor

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tht might not be appropriate for prefix though

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on newer HP calculators it's just called enter

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and there's alsp a space key

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:50 AM

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I could change the text for prefix, that's just one more if

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↑ for postfix?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:51 AM

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if you're not exposing the stack as a user-visible thing that might not be as appropriate

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also, traditionally, if you press it twice, it duplicates the last entry

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:52 AM

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duplicates the last entry? how so? like the last input text or the last equation?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:52 AM

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on the stack

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(actually, on old-school calculators it always duplicates the last entry, and puts the calculator in a state where if you start typing a number it will replace it)

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like 1 <enter> <enter> 2 / + ends up executing 1 1 2 / +

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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but 1 <enter> 2 / + would be 1 2 / +?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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yeah

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like i said, the old-school sequence is it gets duplicated and the 2 replaces it

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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ah

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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the new-school sequence is that the first press finishes the entry and the second duplicates it

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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so
1 1

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1 <enter> 1 1

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1 <enter> 2 1 2

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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right

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there are other scenarios where the differences between the behaviors are more relevant, such as after an operation

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e.g. 1 <enter> + old-school is 1 1 +, new-school is 1 +
1 1 + 3, old-school: the 3 replaces the 2, new school: it places it on the stack below the 2.
1 1 + <enter> 3 old-school results in 2 3, new-school results in 2 2 3

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sorry, i have a bit of knowledge about HP calculator behavior that I felt like showing off in the context of postfix calculators, got a bit sidetracked

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:57 AM

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no this is good, I have never touched an actual postfix calculator

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and I'm trying to implement one

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so this is great

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I don't get your second example though

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1 <enter> +
old school: 1 1 +
new school: 1 +
this one I get

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after that not so much

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 4:59 AM

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basically once you do the + on an old-school calculator, it goes into a state where it's ready for input to replace the current x [old-school stack is four labeled positions, x y z t from bottom to top]

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 4:59 AM

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+ as in addtion operator?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:00 AM

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yeah

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once you do any operation really

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wait, now i'm not sure

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no, i'm wrong

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does not put it in replace state

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only enter does

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:01 AM

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do old school stack calculators only have 4 slots and they evaluate as you input?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:01 AM

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yeah

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well they always evaluate as you input

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anyway, i was wrong about the up arrow too, it's always labeled enter

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:02 AM

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There's an old HP RPN calculator somewhere in this house

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Yeah up arrow

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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is it? i can't find an image of one, the hp 12c for example uses "enter"

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Trying to remember where it is now...

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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hp 41 has ENTER ↑

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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That seems familiar

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:04 AM

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that might be what i was thinking of

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Yeah

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Well, just remembered where it is, and it's not somewhere I want to dig into at 10PM...

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:06 AM

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https://hansklav.home.xs4all.nl/rpn/

RPN Tutorial

Free RPN Tutorial

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this goes into some detail on enter key behavior on various models

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they call it "classical" and "entry" RPN

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:08 AM

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mine would allow more than 4 levels in the "stack", or should I limit to 4

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:08 AM

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well, on a 4-level calculator, as values are consumed t is duplicated, whereas on a more modern unlimited-stack calculator, you can run out of values

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for example, if you go to https://epxx.co/ctb/hp12c-platinum.html you can press 1 and then enter three times to set x=y=z=t=1, and then press + an unlimited number of times to keep adding

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the unlimited stack behavior is certainly more intuitive for the purpose of the abstract concept of postfix notation

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if you have a place to display a stack it may be worthwhile to partially evaluate on the fly and display pending operations on the stack in algebraic and prefix mode too

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look at the calcoo app for an example of what that might look like for infix

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:13 AM

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the one at sourceforge?

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:14 AM

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yeah

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it also emulates every combination of RPN

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nothing for prefix but it's easy to reason out what a partial evaluation stack looks like for prefix

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except it fills t with 0 instead of duplicating like real HP calculators

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Having a graphical display of the stack would be quite nice

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:23 AM

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What I have so far

📎 image0.png 📎 image1.png

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Nice dude

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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maybe have an option whether to do partial evaluation on the display on the bottom

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Right now the bottom space is a statusbar that shows up if the expression is invalid, there was a ZeroDivisionError etc

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I might add it as an option at the top

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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i meant the one right below the main number display, not the bottom of the window

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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ah

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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like if they've entered "5 6 * 4" have an option to display "30 4" instead

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and likewise "+ * 5 6" have an option to display "+ 30" in prefix

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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so emulate the 4 stack thingy, after an operator is added, evaluate and repeat

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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and, well it's not as simple to reason about for infix which is why i mentioned calcoo

summer rampart Feb 22, 2019, 5:30 AM

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aw, the calcoo help button is blocking

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wow the xyzt RPN

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 9:03 AM

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https://techraptor.net/content/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-nintendo-switch

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sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 9:33 AM

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postfix > prefix

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@sinful copper do you know of any tools that show you how the stack grows as your program runs?

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(for compiled programs)

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also gdude how would a microsoft game pass work on the switch?

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seems weird

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 9:54 AM

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@sullen thorn maybe read the article

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 10:19 AM

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right then, it's time to get back to the godforsaken spreadsheet

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 10:21 AM

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/o\

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 10:28 AM

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so far so readable at least

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my neck isn't great but we'll manage

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I wonder if there's a tool for excel where I can like

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list all the unique values in a column

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and then pick some to be changed to something else

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 10:47 AM

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https://www.pyxll.com/ could try to use one of these python excel macro plugins

Python in Excel | PyXLL

PyXLL is perfect for using Python In Excel | Write Excel functions, macros, menus and more in Python with PyXLL.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 10:49 AM

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that's like 300 dollars a year though

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 10:49 AM

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there's at least one that's free out there.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Yeah, probably

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What would really help would be if excel's automcomplete used the entire column instead of contiguous sections only

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but I already looked that one up

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 10:57 AM

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I remember the excel team had an AMA on reddit and talked about Python a lot

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they were gonna launch official support for it

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as an alternative to VBA

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but I think it fell through :(

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:01 AM

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https://www.xlwings.org/ this looks nice

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:02 AM

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nice. free and open source.

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that does look nice.

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:02 AM

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v0.15.2

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so potentially buggy

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but then you can at least fix the bugs yourself

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Low versions don't mean buggy

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They mean "things might change dramatically"

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:04 AM

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ah ok

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i always thought it meant like alpha/beta stage

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oh, looks like 0.1.0 came out in 2014 😅

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that'd be a pretty long beta test

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:05 AM

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alpha/beta don't necessarily mean buggy either

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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don't they? i thought that the point of a beta was to iron out those final bugs before release

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and alpha was like the same but in earlier stages

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Not always

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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gmail was beta for 5 years

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it was still more or less the most polished webmail client in the world

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practically free of bugs

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it's just a label, companies use it diffferently.

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

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so then in a context like that, beta is more of an indicator of how concrete features are?

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ah ok

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

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in googles case, yeah it was just their way of saying "we're still working on big features"

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essentially they have some internal to-do list they've decided to complete before ending beta and they haven't checked off all the boxes yet

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for some companies that might mean big features, for others, bugs.

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Some pieces of software are perpetually in beta and use that as an excuse.

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:13 AM

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DayZ has been in alpha since it released in 2013 :P

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I haven't tried it in many years, but I assume it's still an unfinished mess.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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gmail has been hella good for ages

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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gmail was good since release.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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constant redesigns suck a bit at times

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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I was in super early friends and family invite beta

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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i think i got in the open early on

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:15 AM

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I got my gmail in like early 2005 or something.

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:15 AM

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lol remember google wave?

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never forget

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 11:16 AM

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yes. :D

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:16 AM

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the shouldve focused on that instead of google+

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maybe couldve integrated the two

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oh well. rip.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Google+ was hella messy attempt at something

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but i did like its privacy settings better than facebook

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:40 AM

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they couldve had ed sheeran do a promo when he released +

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'listen to + on +'

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 11:40 AM

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@sand goblet i’m a Redditor, we don’t read articles

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I'm a redditor and I read articles

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checkmate atheists

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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I'm not a redditor and i read reddit

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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and articles, I hope

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speaking of articles

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what the fuck is wrong with the world? https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/momo-challenge-warning-suicide-game-14035425.amp

irishmirror

Irish mum's horror as daughter, 7, 'targeted by suicide game' Momo

'It’s absolute madness that something like this has even been created. I just want to urge parents to be aware of this because it is real and very dangerous'

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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no, i do not read articles

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no matter what type

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Ah, today is the day where they put all prices to normal for once in a year; just to put them on "sale" every other time

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📎 unknown.png

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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especially articles of clothing

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100% don't read them

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:43 AM

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reddit? what's that? a 4chan board?

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Yeah dude

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Its W0K3

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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@gentle moss gasp so all this time youve never checked the label to see if your shirts are truly machine washable????

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:45 AM

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momo challenge? As in two times code jam champion momo?

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 11:46 AM

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@sand goblet you’re like a lemon in a sea of apples then

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No one else on reddit does that

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:46 AM

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yes they do

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:P

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most redditors do that

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you're the lemon

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:47 AM

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What? We jump straight to the comments and start ranting based off of assuptions we made from the post title.

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 11:47 AM

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The definitely don’t, or else some posts wouldn’t get as many upvotes

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Yeah i’m with grote here

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:47 AM

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if you browse like r/funny or r/circlejerk then I'm not including you

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because they don't post many articles

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:P

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people that browse stuff like r/python, r/netsec, r/devops do read 'em

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:49 AM

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post with 50k upvotes, reactions with 20k upvotes that clearly haven't read the article.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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[11:45] meta: @gentle moss gasp so all this time youve never checked the label to see if your shirts are truly machine washable????

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everything goes in on 40c

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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we use 30c

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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do you even separate the whites

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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nope

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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nope, i aint racist

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these colours don't run baby

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because running is hard

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

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wheres that horror emoji

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😱

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Now you remind me of that asian laundry detergent ad.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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tide pods

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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i think i might take it down to 30 from now on

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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good squishy

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:52 AM

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the annoying part is that a 40c cycle in "Quicker" mode is 1h, but the 30c cycle is 2h in "Quicker" mode

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a whole hour for 10 less c's

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:52 AM

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you guys ever seen those oblong shaped pastries with an almond in the centre

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they kind of look like tide pods

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

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no they don't

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lol

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

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... if you squint

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use your imagination ok 😛

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

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they got nothing on the bright colours of Grote's favourite snack

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:P

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Remember, your child's favourite stuffed animal needs to be washed at 90C

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My favourite snack isn't colorful at all.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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what

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90c

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xD

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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My sister is still salty 15 years later I think.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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there are machines that go up that high?

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why even

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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After her bunny became half the size, and lost all it's fluffyness

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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wait a second. i thought these things were tide pods

📎 finish20dishwasher20tablets20all20in20120max-745ggy.png

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wow my life is a lie

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Hah

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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90C is a common setting.

oak tangle Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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My machine goes up to 95

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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I mean sure I read the developer articles cuz they’re interesting

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 11:56 AM

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my machine will do 100c

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BOILING WASH

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i could put like a lasagne in there for a full cycle and cook it

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:58 AM

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nice

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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now actually do it.

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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if you poke a hole in the top you could turn your laundry room into a steam room

tired osprey Feb 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Sauna

oak tangle Feb 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Just use a vented dryer, but don't connect the vent

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 12:00 PM

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🤔

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:00 PM

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we have a condensor dryer and after a serious bout of washing the house feels like a damn jungle

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 12:02 PM

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My mum always makes my house feel like that and I can't fine shit anymore

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Ah, my house isn't big enough for that

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😦

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 12:05 PM

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I have a tiny house and it still happens. Rip

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finger_gun

rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 12:05 PM

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hello

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:05 PM

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We got a vented dryer precisely because emptying the water was annoying

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:05 PM

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We have a cheap washing machine and dryer

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Ours has to empty like 1/3 times

rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 12:06 PM

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i need help related to python code

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anyone here? to help me

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 12:06 PM

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@rough sapphire hello

rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 12:06 PM

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do you know how to cod

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do you know python

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 12:07 PM

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What does it say in the name haha? Sorry man I can't help you

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@rough sapphire Go to a unused help channel or #python-discussion 😃

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 12:07 PM

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I have no place to connect a washing machine finger_gun_dank

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Rip

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:08 PM

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aint got no option @sand goblet

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washing machine plumbing on the side of the kitchen next to the exterior wall

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dryer would vent into the living room 🤔

rough sapphire Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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ok

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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convert the living room into a sauna

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problem solved

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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but all muh electronics

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they're not rated for a finnish climate

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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haha

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turn the cellar into a man cave

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:11 PM

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a what?

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what's one of them

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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I am slightly annoyed at how that article didn't say anything about how the game is played @sand goblet

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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you don't have a cellar?

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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I just wanna know the playing rules GWqlabsFeelsBadEh

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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@glass gorge basically a whatsapp bot educates kids on how to harm themelves and others

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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That could be so much

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I want details

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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well, they found one of the "players" dead in a barn with "illuminati" and "devil's one eye" scrawled on the wall

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Now that sounds interesting

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time to play childerens games on a new device 😏

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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you're approaching this in a very strange manner :P

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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But in all realness, non meirl mode

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damn

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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"damn"

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yes

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https://www.theweek.co.uk/96248/what-is-the-momo-suicide-challenge-and-is-it-dangerous

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Between this and the YouTube pedophilia problem, I've gotta wonder what the heck is going on with the Internet lately

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:22 PM

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no, i don't have a cellar

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they're not particularly common here tbh

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Uh

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:23 PM

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are we in charlie brooker's mental hell yet gdude?

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 12:23 PM

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We have a lot of wine cellars up here in Yorkshire

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:23 PM

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I just came back and am confused

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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WIINE cellars?

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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In a house (liverpool) built at the end of WW2, we have a bomb shelter that makes for a shoddy wine cellar

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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I think you mean benedictine.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Has been used to ferment cider

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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since that's what you up in yorksherrr drink

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:34 PM

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http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/02/22/israels-moon-mission-shot-down-by-hamas/

Waterford Whispers News

Colm Williamson

Israel’s Moon Mission Shot Down By Hamas

IN WHAT was to be a triumphant achievement for Israeli space exploration, the nation's privately funded moon mission was quickly brought to a halt this morning after the rocket was shot down shortly after take off, WWN can confirm.

The non-profit …

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Haha what?

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:36 PM

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@flint dagger What have I said about harming little people

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Uuh

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:37 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ohwell-forgetting-sarah-marshall-shrug-what-idk-gif-5281408

Tenor

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:37 PM

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I'm a tad confused 🤔

📎 unknown.png

vapid bluff Feb 22, 2019, 12:38 PM

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and north korea's naval program was thwarted by a rogue wave @sand goblet

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:38 PM

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It's just a name joke.

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Also if you guys believe my link, you'll believe anything

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that site is satire

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:39 PM

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Yeah i was playing on the whatsapp bot momo

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Damn, firefox is the best at js rendering it seems? http://www.speed-battle.com/statistics_e.php

Free online browser speed test - SPEED BATTLE

SPEED-BATTLE measures online the speed of JavaScript in your browser and shows a comparison to previous visitors

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Speed doesn't matter in browsers anyway, just the features nowadays

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:42 PM

#

that's not true at all

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not even close to true

#

amazon measured it

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each 1 second of extra page load time results in something like 6 million dollars of lost sales for amazon

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Browsers have very little effect on speed nowadays

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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again, not true

#

maybe on your i9 processor and dual GTX 1080 Tis

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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go figure momo doesn't take part in the first codejam i don't do

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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hey man

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be glad

#

I'm not competing against you

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:45 PM

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My £150 netbook can run browsers fast

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:45 PM

#

I could totally have done that

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:P

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 12:55 PM

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my skill in the jams comes in the form of brilliant ideas

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¬_¬

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:58 PM

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There's a reason front end devs squeeze ms in performance

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Hmm

📎 unknown.png

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:)

#

Oh cool

#

;)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:59 PM

#

:(

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:59 PM

#

<3

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Or just disable auto emoji in general

#

:)

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 12:59 PM

#

Yeah

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 12:59 PM

#

yeah

#

I turned off the auto emoji thing

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:00 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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I'll do that now

#

:) :( ;) :'(

#

cool

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Oh, emotes = :), emojis = 😃

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 1:05 PM

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smileys, i think you'll find

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:P

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:05 PM

#

:P

#

📎 4547hjfnpyh21.png

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Thanks, reddit

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/VwWu.gif

Tenor

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 1:11 PM

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I can't 100% tell if that's appropriate or not..

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:11 PM

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It's a gif

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 1:11 PM

#

No, what you posted

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:12 PM

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It's both at the same time

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https://tenor.com/view/barrack-obama-pissed-annoyed-bad-ass-thug-life-gif-8283904

Tenor

#

Gifs

#

:(

glass gorge Feb 22, 2019, 1:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-no-shaking-head-no-shake-head-speechless-gif-13496513

Tenor

No

▶ Play video

#

I'm not sure how i feel about that.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/minions-taunting-laughing-gif-8812438

Tenor

solid pollen Feb 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

Hem.....

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

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I don't like gifs apart from well-timed good quality ones

solid pollen Feb 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Okay I suppose 😃

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 1:14 PM

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:D

#

oh no

#

that looks weird now

#

😅 , 👍 and 👌 are the only ones I use unironically

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 2:48 PM

#

@sullen thorn i don't know any offhand that just do tat

#

and generally the stack doesn't grow continuously, it just grows as recursive functions are called and then shrinks back when returning to the main loop

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Yeah but like I wanna see how the stack grows as more functions are called

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I don’t wanna see just 1 functions call frame

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Could I ask something php related here?

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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You could, but I wouldn't be sure of getting an answer

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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I think it shouldnt be that hard. However

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Damn

📎 unknown.png

#

Title does hold up

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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I dont find it out by myself

#

So my problem is the following:
I want to style php with css. And this doesnt work

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:25 PM

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I mean really your problem is that you don't understand the technologies you're using

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:25 PM

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It's php <-- Best joke of ever

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Your page is HTML.

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CSS is for styling HTML.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

Style php with css?

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

PHP is a HTML preprocessor.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

Like flask or asp.net

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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No, like neither of those things

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

http://prntscr.com/mopdp1

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Oh i'm tired, jinja then

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

(its a php file)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

#

it's not really like jinja either

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

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and if you look at the red box

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Yes, it's a PHP file, but the output still should be valid HTML

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

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@sand goblet everything is working fine, except that I cant stye the php echo with css

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and thats my question

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

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yes, because your HTML is invalid

#

you didn't close the div on the line before

#

that's why it's red

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

#

but where is a closing div missing

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

#

No, look at your HTML

#

You're missing a single character

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

#

Closing div of "form1" div

#

the > isn't there

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Owez, what are you doing

#

why are you stopping the guy from thinking for themselves?

#

:P

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Being bored and attempting to help (poorly)

#

Mm

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

#

omg

#

and for that shitty > thing

#

I was sitting 2h

#

omg

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

#

that's why we have linters

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

#

auto closing tags ❤

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

#

VSCode <3

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

#

and, yeah, decent editors

nimble igloo Feb 22, 2019, 3:30 PM

#

usually Im not doing stuff with html etc

#

thats why I probably dont have a good editor

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:30 PM

#

VSCode and Atom are either really advanced text editors or are IDEs for everything

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:31 PM

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They're not IDEs

#

they're editors with plugins

#

:P

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:31 PM

#

Why can't they be

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:31 PM

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because you have to customize them to get a fully integrated environment

#

IDEs come preconfigured with everything you need

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I have good debugging, intergrated terminal, syntax highlighting, code completion

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:31 PM

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it's kind of in the name

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:32 PM

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They are cool hybrids

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:32 PM

#

They are editors.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:32 PM

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With the features of an ide with one click to install a plugin with a couple million downloads

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:33 PM

#

They are still just editors, and to call them anything else would be deliberately misleading.

#

You can install plugins to build an IDE-like experience, but they aren't IDEs.

#

the whole point of an IDE is you don't have to customize it to get a fully integrated environment

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:33 PM

#

What does VSCode not have that's an IDE

#

(Not arguing, curious)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:34 PM

#

well if we take a good IDE like PyCharm for example

#

PyCharm pro comes with docker integration, thread timings, asyncio timings, a database browser, support for tools like pipenv and such

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a fully integrated debugger which even allows you to run arbitrary code at a paused execution state

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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VSCode has db browsers (with plugins), support for tools and can debug nicely

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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automated deployment tools, remote debugging, SSH integration..

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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No idea about them

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:35 PM

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A fully integrated inspector that can not only warn you about problems and style violations, but also automatically fix a lot of them

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Ah

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:36 PM

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honestly the list of features that pycharm has is kind of endless at this point

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:36 PM

#

Yeah

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:36 PM

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As a result, though, the thing is massive

#

so some people use an editor instead, with the implication that the classifier of "editor" gives you something light and customizable

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I prefer VSCode because it's snappy, extendable and i'm just used to it

#

Yeah

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:37 PM

#

if people try to say that VSCode is an IDE then the classifiers of IDE and editor become useless

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I'd classify VSCode as a customisable, ide-like editor (if you want it to be one)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:37 PM

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just call it an editor

#

save everyone a lot of confusion

#

I use both, by the way

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pycharm and vscode

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Then notepad is an editor

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:41 PM

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It is.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:41 PM

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There should be a differentiation

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:41 PM

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the differentiation is "good" and "bad"

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:P

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Mm

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But thats subjective :'(

#

What about Notepad++?

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Also a pretty bad editor

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 PM

#

Sublime?

#

(That's in the middle for me)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:42 PM

#

Pretty good example of an editor

#

Lighter than VSCode

#

doesn't really have its own package manager but there's always Package Control

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 PM

#

It just feels like a glorified notepad++

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Nah, it's way more capable

#

https://packagecontrol.io/

#

Sublime is largely python, by the way

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 PM

#

Notepad++ has plugins ;)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Yeah, it has like, ten plugins

#

:P

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Yup

#

VSCode > (Atom == Pycharm) > Sublime > Notepad++ > Death > Notepad for me

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 PM

#

Atom is basically the same as VSCode

#

different plugins

#

lol

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:45 PM

#

Yeah

#

It's a bit more bulky for my pc for some reason

#

I have seen it run on macs with like 20mb ram usage

#

It's 1-2gb (with ~40% cpu usage) on mine for whatever reason :/

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Wouldn't know really, don't use it

#

plus I have 32GiB of RAM

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:48 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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Oh weird

#

Cpu jumped to 60% for a second then

#

📎 unknown.png

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Thats on a pentium n4200 with 4gb DDR3(L)

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:51 PM

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how about "semi-integrated development environment"

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:51 PM

#

^ ;)

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:51 PM

#

how about

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:51 PM

#

TEXT EDITOR

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

well to be honest that's still an IDE

#

like, what's it called

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

that seems like a good term for stuff like vs code and sublime

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

that thing that Hemlock likes

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

It's sill a DE

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

scapy? heck I can't remember what it's called

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

MDE - Modular Development Enviroment

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

no, don't copmlicate things even further

#

people are assholes enough already :P

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

of course

#

if we talk about text editors vs ides for too long

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

No it's to impress hipsters using node

#

MDE

#

It has modular in

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

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someone with a giant beard will magically appear to say "well actually emacs is the original IDE"

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

Actully

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

and then someone with a larger beard will say "no, the unix command line is an IDE"

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Whatever the default ubuntu one is is the best

#

📎 unknown.png

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I mean, there.. isn't a default linux one

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

Nano

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

and if there was, it wouldn't be nano

#

I like nano personally

#

but since vi is standard on BSD, it'd probably be vim on linux

rustic crater Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

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You don't use ed?

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

It comes with vi(m) by default

#

📎 unknown.png

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

not all distros default to vim, which may be a surprise to you

sinful copper Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

I think the default editor on one of the BSDs is something called "mg" which is a tiny emacs-like editor

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:55 PM

#

I love linux

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 3:55 PM

#

nano is the best

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:55 PM

#

So stable

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 3:55 PM

#

vi clearly has power but it's also a cunt

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 PM

#

^

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 PM

#

@sand goblet do you mean mu? hemlock likes that, i do too.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 PM

#

mu is an editor

#

I mean it's in the name

#

mu editor

#

lol

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 PM

#

fair enough.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:56 PM

#

it is a pretty great learning tool though

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

Looks like a very cold computer lab kinda learning tool

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

Yeah it kind of is, but it's good at what it does

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

Never used it

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 3:59 PM

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mu is awesome

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

I had a goverment-requred it lesson once a week a couple years back when I was first messing around on python. I already knew more than the teacher once I learnt what a loop was

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

the integrations with circuitpython are fantastic

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

lemon mentioned that to me the other day

#

python on arduino type stuff?

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

yeah.

#

stuff for #microcontrollers, mostly.

vestal briar Feb 22, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

This looks good https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Project-Starter-Tutorial-Arduino/dp/B01DGD2GAO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1550851316&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=audrino+clone

#

Audrino clone with some electronics

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

yeah python on arduino sort of

#

it's a fork of micropython

#

juans got a microcontroller from adafruit and has played with it

#

very cool seeing what he has built

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

ty :D

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

Adafruit's stuff looks great

#

shame I can't afford any of it xD

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

i've managed to do a whole bunch of stuff with just a circuit playground express.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

Wouldn't I need some tools?

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

nope

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

I have none tools

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

no tools needed

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

absolutely none for the circuit playground express.

#

it's all built into the board.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

Hmmmm

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

you just need a USB A -> micro B USB cable

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

no electronic knowledge required either

#

just python

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

Oh, but adafruit is American

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

you can buy a CPX from pimoroni which ships from the UK

#

that's what i did.

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

shipping is hard from america yeah

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

Aren't you in the UK though?

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

it was $30 for me

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

It's more customs I'm worried about

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

in the end I didn't go down the official store route because import tax is horrific

#

yeah that was the customs paid option

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

i didn't go with the official store either.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

And I won't be able to buy from the UK soon anyway

#

Brexit means I'll have to pay customs there too :>

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/circuit-playground-express-developer-edition

Circuit Playground Express

Circuit Playground Express is the next step towards a perfect introduction to electronics and programming. Adafruit have taken the original Circuit Playground Classic and made it even better! Not only did they pack even more sensors in, they also made it even easier to program.

#

zoinks

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:11 PM

#

That looks interesting

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:13 PM

#

it's really easy to use, too.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:14 PM

#

I have a little mbed somewhere with a couple sensors on it but honestly their python support is awful

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

#

import time
from adafruit_circuitplayground.express import cpx

cpx.red_led = True
time.sleep(1)
cpx.red_led = False

while True:
    if cpx.button_a:
        cpx.pixels.fill(0xff00ff)
    else:
        cpx.pixels.fill(0x00ff00)

here's a basic example i gave to lemon. flashes the little LED for a second, then turns the neopixels bright magenta when a button's pressed, and turns them green when it's released.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

#

It's like serial over USB basically

#

Doesn't even work half the time

#

Interesting

#

Does it support modules and classes?

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

#

yes.

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

#

You could write a nice event dispatcher

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

#

you'll want to be careful though, you have to work with its limitations.

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:17 PM

#

yeah memory is a luxury haha

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:17 PM

#

it's got 32KB of RAM to work with

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:17 PM

#

as juan found out when he decided to write a MEGALARGE SIGNAL RECORDING PLAYBACK APPLICATION

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

#

sounds like writing stuff for lambda on AWS

tulip palm Feb 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

#

haha, i was even previously warned that memory errors were rife with so many features being used at once. did i listen? no, but it just about managed to work anyways after a bit of optimisation.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

#

:D

bleak lintel Feb 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

#

hey look at that https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gyawqy/right-to-repair-legislation-is-officially-being-considered-in-ontario-canada?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_source=reddit.com

Motherboard

Right to Repair Legislation Is Officially Being Considered In Canada

A newly-proposed bill could become the first legislation to ensure individuals and independent shops can repair brand-name devices in North America.

gentle moss Feb 22, 2019, 4:26 PM

#

nice

#

i'm 200% for a slightly bulkier phone if it's easier to tear down

sand goblet Feb 22, 2019, 4:44 PM

#

Haha, 32k should be plenty for what I'm thinking of

#

I like event driven APIs

#

Mom wanted to buy some moisturiser and I kept reading "nvidia" instead of "nivea"

tough stratus Feb 22, 2019, 4:47 PM

#

🤦

sullen thorn Feb 22, 2019, 4:49 PM

#

@tough stratus me 😃

stark prawn Feb 22, 2019, 4:50 PM

#

That's not pep8

tough stratus Feb 22, 2019, 4:50 PM

#

That is true.

tame terrace Feb 22, 2019, 5:11 PM

#

you shouldn't make your own dunder methods. especially not with camelCase in them. I'm afraid your name is highly offensive.

tough stratus Feb 22, 2019, 5:19 PM

#

😢

#

I would argue that all python objects have a right to cook food for themselves and others

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 9:57 PM

#

https://blog.erratasec.com/2012/06/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about.html

Falsehoods programmers believe about networks

Inspired by falsehoods programmers believe about time and usernames , I thought I'd start collecting falsehoods programmers have about netw...

#

If you can ping the target, then it does exist

ember laurel Feb 22, 2019, 10:06 PM

#

Doesn't mean that mods should ping everyone.

river anvil Feb 22, 2019, 10:08 PM

#

they dont?

tame pier Feb 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

#

a) that's a falsehood
b) it's referring to ICMP requests (commonly known as "pings" and are often sent using the ping command), not Discord mentions

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 12:53 AM

#

tuples are (1, 2) right?

sinful copper Feb 23, 2019, 12:53 AM

#

yeah

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 12:53 AM

#

damn

#

nvm

#

def call_func(x, func):
    print(func(x))
call_func(x)```

#

hyperlemon

#

probably just break syntax before anything

#

but this looks like a logical paradox

sinful copper Feb 23, 2019, 1:01 AM

#

huh

#

?

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 1:02 AM

#

woops

sinful copper Feb 23, 2019, 1:02 AM

#

well, now you're not passing enough args to call_func - do you mean call_func(x, call_func)?

#

in that case you'd get a recursion error or whatever it's called

#

RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

#

yea lol

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:11 AM

#

anyone worked with google api i do export GOOGLE_APPLICATION_CREDENTIALS="path", but it always says it cant find the credentials

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

What OS?

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

linux

#

mint

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

The export is only present in the current terminal session

#

You need to add to bashrc

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

oh ok

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:14 AM

#

~/.bashrc

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:14 AM

#

i know

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 1:16 AM

#

lemoneye1 lemoneye2
lemonbeard1 lemonbeard2

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

didnt work @tame pier

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

DeusVult

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

Is the path absolute?

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

yes

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

And the JSON formatted correctly?

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

its downloaled from the google api website

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

Is that the right variable name?

#

I did this like a year ago on Windows so don't remember the details

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:19 AM

#

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/home/zomatree/.pyenv/versions/3.7.2/lib/python3.7/site-packages/google/cloud/translate_v2/client.py", line 64, in __init__
    super(Client, self).__init__(credentials=credentials, _http=_http)
  File "/home/zomatree/.pyenv/versions/3.7.2/lib/python3.7/site-packages/google/cloud/client.py", line 130, in __init__
    credentials, _ = google.auth.default()
  File "/home/zomatree/.pyenv/versions/3.7.2/lib/python3.7/site-packages/google/auth/_default.py", line 317, in default
    raise exceptions.DefaultCredentialsError(_HELP_MESSAGE)
google.auth.exceptions.DefaultCredentialsError: Could not automatically determine credentials. Please set GOOGLE_APPLICATION_CREDENTIALS or explicitly create credentials and re-run the application. For more information, please see https://cloud.google.com/docs/authentication/getting-started
``` full error

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

#

Hmm

#

Maybe check the docs or source code

covert atlas Feb 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

https://cloud.google.com/docs/authentication/getting-started#auth-cloud-implicit-python i have

Google Cloud

Getting Started with Authentication | Authentication |...

#

im following that

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

#

Sorry can't think of what else

#

Maybe try python 3.6?

#

And check file permissions

summer rampart Feb 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

#

tfw you're searching something on the web browser and you click Esc then start trying to move your cursor around with hjkl

rough sapphire Feb 23, 2019, 2:20 AM

#

@finite nacelle hello

finite nacelle Feb 23, 2019, 2:21 AM

#

stop

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 2:23 AM

#

ricardoooo

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:27 AM

#

hey squiggles

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:31 AM

#

oh dear, i remember ricardo.

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

#

ConfusedAnime

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 2:50 AM

#

heya kazo

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:51 AM

#

how are you

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

Good

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

not you

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

that's rude

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

😕

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

hey @grave phoenix, how are you?

#

:)

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

sorry

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:52 AM

#

:)

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

:)

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

HandsomeThink

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

||:||||)||

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

PeekLurk

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

damn it

#

you always have to one up me

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:54 AM

#

yes. :D

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:54 AM

#

aZULUL3D

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:54 AM

#

😪

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:54 AM

#

aHyperDeku

#

I'm bored

#

BingSad

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:55 AM

#

wanna help me play minesweeper

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:55 AM

#

Huh,I dunno how to play it

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:56 AM

#

i'll help

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:56 AM

#

basically

#

📎 unknown.png

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:56 AM

#

I'm monkey?

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:56 AM

#

the numbers display how many mines there are within a 3x3 grid around them

#

actually let me see if i can screenshate

#

juan mind getting in a call?

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 2:57 AM

#

give me a moment.

#

in the server, or DMs?

#

i'm pretty sure there's video calling capabilities in this server, just have to use a specific link.

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

MINESWEEPER

#

YEEEEEEET

#

im good btw

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

i dont think there is

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

how are you ?

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

im good

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

Nice

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 2:58 AM

#

you just missed out on me being vulnerable in ot0 😕

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 2:59 AM

#

@viscid quarry how's your project going? We still don't know what to do GWnanamiCoconaSweat

#

idk

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 3:00 AM

#

we're still thinking

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 3:00 AM

#

I see

river anvil Feb 23, 2019, 3:00 AM

#

hm

grave phoenix Feb 23, 2019, 3:01 AM

#

There's a Juanita in the general voice chat

#

Also a Kazo

tulip palm Feb 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

#

yup 🙆

shell blade Feb 23, 2019, 8:21 AM

#

im allll aloneee

tame pier Feb 23, 2019, 8:25 AM

#

sorry i'm yawning a lot

shell blade Feb 23, 2019, 8:27 AM

#

it's fine 😃

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 8:28 AM

#

aw

#

be like me and imagine there's lots of people around aKyuClapCat

shell blade Feb 23, 2019, 8:30 AM

#

lol

#

there is no around me ever

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 8:34 AM

#

no around you ?

shell blade Feb 23, 2019, 8:40 AM

#

not in a meaningful physical social interactional way

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 8:43 AM

#

ah

#

same

deep mesa Feb 23, 2019, 12:00 PM

#

What programming languages are basically useless for everything?

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:01 PM

#

all programming languages have a worst, but what for? part of them

#

you get like worst for production, worst for developer, worst to maintain ...

rustic crater Feb 23, 2019, 12:02 PM

#

befunge is one pretty useless one that comes to mind

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:02 PM

#

it's also esoteric lol

worn kite Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

true, but on the other hand each of those languages has a purpose that it is designed and (at least somewhat) good for

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

i dont think esoteric should be considered >w<

rustic crater Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

i wrote an interpreter for it though, so i guess that's a use case :p

deep mesa Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

Ok, who gets the award for hardest to maintain?

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

hm

worn kite Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

also that, esoteric languages exist "just because". Their purpose is to be mind-teasing and confusing, or entertaining.

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

most dynamic languages tbh

worn kite Feb 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

#

And they're usually good at that

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:04 PM

#

dynamic languages imo are hardest to maintain

#

especially for larger codebases

worn kite Feb 23, 2019, 12:04 PM

#

I smell JavaScript

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:05 PM

#

python, js, lua ..

#

C# and VB to an extent too

deep mesa Feb 23, 2019, 12:06 PM

#

What's the worst named language?

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 12:16 PM

#

facefuck

#

then again it's esoteric so

granite lake Feb 23, 2019, 1:20 PM

#

🤔

sullen thorn Feb 23, 2019, 1:26 PM

#

is python actually hard to maintain? i thought it was only hard in the sense that its easier not to

#

whereas with stuff like c++ or c, the language kinda forces you to maintain it

granite lake Feb 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

#

Depends on the operations

#

But with these many libs today. I'd say it's not

viscid quarry Feb 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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dynamic languages are harder to maintain yea

granite lake Feb 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Why so

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@viscid quarry

fervent dock Feb 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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static typing allows you to catch more errors at compile time

sand goblet Feb 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Fallacies! Hurrah!

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Static typing allows you to catch typing errors

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At compile time

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But I don't really see any serious python developer that wants that

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The main reason being, in python, it's slow as hell to constantly check types

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Mypy exists for your unit testing though

fervent dock Feb 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Static typing allows you to catch typing errors so more errors mad

sand goblet Feb 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Well, no

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Python is all about duck typing

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So static typing is quite irrelevant

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The two couldn't work together

fervent dock Feb 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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oh i'm not saying python is bad for its lack of static typing

sand goblet Feb 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Some people think that

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The truth is that static typing does not lead to cleaner or more stable code

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It's all about the skill of the developer, and always has been

fervent dock Feb 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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i would agree with that

sullen thorn Feb 23, 2019, 1:49 PM

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user testing > unit testing 😃