#ot1-perplexing-regexing | Python | Page 249

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Wut

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That's cheap

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Bro.. back home 1US is $200 for me

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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That must be nice

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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well DC has always been democratic..

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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I can get a Coke with that

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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maybe that's why it's poor

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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That's expensive

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:44 AM

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lol

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Democracies == Poverty, alight

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:45 AM

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that's how they keep their slave plantation running

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:45 AM

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What is this the 18th century

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:45 AM

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==?

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hm

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:45 AM

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party of the KKK, anti civil rights, fought for the right to own slaves..

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:45 AM

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i think 19th century more like, KE

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thats when slavery was in its height

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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There were plantations in the 1700s

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/23/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-hacked-emails-race

the Guardian

Hacked emails show Clinton camp questioning how to address black v...

In emails published by WikiLeaks, staffers debate whether Hillary Clinton should give a speech on race and worry over use of term ‘super predator’

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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i guess

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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OH IHAVE A MEME FOR THIS

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OH WAIT I DON'T BECAUSE DROPBOX ISN'T SYNCED YET FUCK

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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should we really be delving into politics here?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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No, modern day plantations are more about how to victimize people and keep them 'oppressed' and dumb so they can take advantage of them

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:46 AM

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i think there are a lot better times and places for this

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politics and slavery

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Political discussions happen on this server fairly often actually

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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its all the eu guys ever talk about lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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really?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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It's fine as long as it's in the off-topic channels and stays civil

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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poverty comes from somewhere..

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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okay

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190221-004710_Meteor.jpg

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Sweet luxury

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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We have 3 off-topic channels for a reason after all 😉

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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what the heck

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I have 200mbps down

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I downloaded Kali and it only took couple mins

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👌

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:47 AM

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You try 2019 yet?

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Ye

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Metasploit 5?

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Normal so far

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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First release in 8 years

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I don't really use exploits

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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oh realllyyy

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I play with stuff

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I kinda want to try Kali on a R-pi soon

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Meh too lazy

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:49 AM

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beat this 😎

📎 unknown.png

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:49 AM

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cant tell if it says Fast or Easy

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 5:49 AM

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38ms pepe

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Hmm I'm only geting ~50-60 right now though

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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fast

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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let me seee

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what i get

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=hDtuXM2DJoLj8APM5o_wAQ&q=speed+test&btnK=Google+Search&oq=speed+test&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.1567.3011..3128...0.0..1.1227.3939.0j3j2j1j3j7-1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131.rq2CqHomGEM

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Could buy up to 900mbps down now I think but not worth the money tbh

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Oh Google has one now? That's nifty.

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:51 AM

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stop flexing 😢

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Only got 32.9

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:51 AM

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yea theyve had one for a while

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only

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Only flexing because I used to be in the deep northwest and had shit internet at ridiculous rates

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$80/mo for 30 mbps down that I rarely saw

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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i have that too

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:/

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8057392306.png

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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...

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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what

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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im suppose to get 600 down

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Madi I am jealous

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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im pissed

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im pay for 600

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Home in Guyana I get 1.5mbps

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😦

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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📎 unknown.png

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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you pay for internet? le gasp

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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You should setup the Comcast Twitter bot

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Im enjoying the hotel wifi while it lasts

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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wow i have twice the speed as guyana

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:52 AM

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lol

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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In Soviet Russia, Internet pays you..

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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There's a guy who has a R-Pi setup that checks his speed every so often and tweets @comcast when it's slower than the speed he pays for

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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@rough sapphire How so ?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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lol

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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im going to try again if i get shit again im calling shaw tommorow

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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anyway, in Japan your internet is covered with rent..

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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That sounds nice on the face of it

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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"shit"

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Though I feel like you'd get medoicre speeds Tron

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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yep.. East Asia has the fastest download speeds on the planet..

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except!

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Oh yeah SouthKorea

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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asia has much better internet than US i think

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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if you try to download something... uhm.. you shouldn't.. like Movies..

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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atleast the parts with internet

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Japan throttles those..

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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use vpn hm

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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https://www.speedtest.net/result/8057396398.png a bit better but still

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Net Neutrality ftw

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Ajit Pai ftl

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Can imagine my smart tv doesn't have youtube ?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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but if I'm trying to download games on Steam.. a 58gb download takes couple of minutes..

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Just a browser and free cable

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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AjitCringe

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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same

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I enjoy nickelodeon

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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just set a bookmark for youtube

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I like spongebob

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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In South Korea you can download anything.. they don't throttle.. but probably should use vpn

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Max speed I can get here is 50mbps finger_gun_dank

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That's slower than mobile internet

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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still better than mine

bitter gazelle Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Uh anyone here have a link to the uh unity discord?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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You in the EU grote?

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No, sorry Richard

bitter gazelle Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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All good

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Yes, Netherlands

bitter gazelle Feb 21, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I didnt want to take the effort to google it

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Very old building with no modern connection to the outside world

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Ok, in that case I rescind my apology

grave phoenix Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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I have 200mbps download and 50mbps upload, but because the cable i use, it's max is 100mpbs

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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oh god i remember using internet in old buildings

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that was terrible

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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lol cloner

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Get some gigabit man

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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i think almost as bad as this

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Thought I was the only one with 10/100 equipment laying around anymore

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I dont want your apology.. I want recognition.. a name tag :v

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I dream of 10gigabit in my home in the future

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Everything on demand

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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1000/1000 finally made it to my area

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Wow

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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not exactly google fiber prices, but its nice to see

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Those are the type of speeds that make me happy

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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fibre is how fast usually?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:57 AM

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i dream of a quarter of a gigabit

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Depends

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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that sounds amazing

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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you can get fiber under gigabit too

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but gigabit and above is what its known for

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Most consumer-grade fiber is 1G or 10G

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IIRC

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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yep

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Enterprise goes up to 40 and 100

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:58 AM

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oh i see there is a town like 45 min away and the college their gives everyone free fibre lol

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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You can get gigabit in copper in some areas here

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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probably with a ton of restrictions

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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My office at school had 500mbps down since it was on the research backbone for the state

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Yes Coax is perfectly capable of gigabit

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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no our isp's are terrible for infrastucture outside of citys so the town said fuck you and did their own thing

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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As long as you have a DOCSIS 3.0 modem I think with enough channels

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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a major engineering university of some friends of mine expelled some students for repeated torrenting on their connections

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lol.. my university sent out a warning once

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when someone was using torrents on the school network

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very paranoid about that thing they are.. in the EU

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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That's a problem as old as the Internet

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Literally

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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The latest docsis can do a theoretical 10gigabit on copper

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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if youre dumb enough to get caught you deserve the punishment

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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you could probably get around it with a VPN though

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I remember the old ad.. you wouldn't steal a car..

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have you guys seen that one

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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yea once or twice

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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DOCSIS 3.1?

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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My school just cuts you off entirely for a few minutes if you download too much in a short time

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Yeah lol

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The edgiest ad

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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their is not much of a point in canada to use vpns for torrenting

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Torrenting kills bandwidth right ?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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So edgy it could cut

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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i dont think so

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I like how you now can technically download a rudimentary car (3d printing)

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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@rough sapphire why did they issue warning then ?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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new ad: You can't download a.... I mean.... shit...

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I do torrenting

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:01 AM

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@granite lake they couldn't find out who it was ..probably..

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Why

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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It's the fastest way to get OS images lmao

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Is it bad ?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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so they sent out a general email..

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Weird

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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bittorrent is amazing technology

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Torrenting isn't bad

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Sounds like an incompetant IT department

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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How could they not figure it out.

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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BitTorrent the company is garbage now, however

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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anti GTA ad: You wouldn't pirate a movie.

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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The dept at my school nails people all the time

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Its an alternative way of sharing files

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Do you not have personal accounts you connect with?

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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authorities can be dumb at times

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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They know what port you're connected to

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Because HEY ENTERPRISE NETWORKING

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It's amazing

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Ever since Bram Cohen left the company, they're just been trying to whore it out for money now.

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Jack B-E-45G...who lives in that dorm? Kenny?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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utorrent used to be the gold standard of clients, its now garbage

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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qBittorrent

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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no jack does

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duhh

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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utorrent is bad

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Works flawlessly and is open-source

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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vuze is good

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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yep thats what I use nowadays, I'm 90% happy with it

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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It comes with spyware upon installation

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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i hate vuze

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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But I don't use torrents much

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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oh.. maybe I should switch lol

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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but i use it

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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what does

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Just to download OS images

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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I've always used utorrent

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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same

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but its bad now

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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i always used vuze

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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LimeWire free used to download LimeWire pro

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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I used Azureus and then moved to utorrent

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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See, I lived in the LimeWire era but never used it

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:04 AM

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@stark prawn meta

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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#community-meta

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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limewire was cool until I downloaded a music video for my sister that she wanted to see, and then I open it and it ends up being porn

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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hey how are you fiberoptics?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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that was a nice memory

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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qbittorrent looks good but too retro

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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lmao

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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limewire was mostly porn

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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lol it was always porn or a trojan

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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That's what you get for downloading random shit from the internet

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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good kazo

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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whats limewire

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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thats why you check reviews/comments

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:05 AM

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that's where I got mine when I didn't know where to find it...

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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nice

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Google

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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its old utorrent

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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there were reviews in limewire?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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napster but for torrents

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im not sure

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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pre-bittorrent protocol file sharing

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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but torrent sites have them

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I never googled... I was paranoid they were tracking me lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Or duckduckgo I guess

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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duck duck go

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you beat me

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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this was when I was young.. guys cmon..

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I'm lazy and like Google tracking me

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I stopped using Google for searches

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Gives me better results

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I thought the police would come knocking on my door if I searched for porn :v

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Maybe they'll give me a job

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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otherwise than for personalised results

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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the christan police

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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No one can track you unless you enable history in your account

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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exactly

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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@rough sapphire only if your in the uk

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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just use incognito

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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what no..

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I meant about Google search history

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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and then god protects you with his holy soul

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or something like that

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:07 AM

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they can't track you.. because of GDPR

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it's all opt in..

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now

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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browser history in general isn't private

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It can be read by any app

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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guys just use privacy mode then they cant track you gezzzzzzzzzzzzz

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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And you won't know

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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Incognito with a VPN in a VM

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Good enough for most people

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/browsing_history_view.html

BrowsingHistoryView - View browsing history of your Web browsers

BrowsingHistoryView is a utility that reads the history data of 4 different Web browsers (Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, and Safari) and displays the browsing history of all these Web browsers in one table

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Look at this tool

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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If you're actually paranoid then use Tor in a VM

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:08 AM

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The key there being IN A VM

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So easy to leak data while on Tor

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:09 AM

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i mean you should spoof your mac adress too

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while doing all that

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Sure they can't track your traffic but they can read your local storage

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:09 AM

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😦

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Just randomize your MAC

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Windows actually has a option to do that now

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You can turn it on/off per-network

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So can have it enabled for, say, Starbucks Wi-Fi but not your home wifi

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:09 AM

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yep but you cant do it on cmd line i dont think

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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You probably can

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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i tried i failed

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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yea i used to use a vpn on top of a vm on top of tor

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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It's just probably obtuse as hell

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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i couldnt figure it out

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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isnt there an os that can automatically split program into their own sandbox/vm specifically for this purpose?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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You can access pretty much everything via PowerShell given enough dedication to figure out how the heck you do

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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if you figure it out let me know

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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QubesOS

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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that's the one

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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cause im trying to write a program for it

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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TailsOS

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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It runs a Xen hypervisor

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Whonix

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Carries all data through Tor

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:12 AM

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like i brought up all the ipconfig commands i dunnoo

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:12 AM

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https://technitium.com/tmac/

Technitium MAC Address Changer | A Freeware Utility To Spoof MAC A...

Technitium MAC Address Changer (TMAC) is a freeware utility to instantly change or spoof MAC Address of any network card (NIC).

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For windows

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:14 AM

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they wrote the program im writing and have gui for windows everything is done already

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jk jk but still

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how fuck do you get it from cmd line

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:14 AM

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what is that

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why would you spoof mac address

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:14 AM

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lol

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Many reasons

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:15 AM

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It's probably a registry setting

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:15 AM

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I once did a lecture on it

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Figure out where the option is in Group Policy

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Then figure out what key GP is setting

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And you're golden

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Something like that

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:15 AM

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hmmmm

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k

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:15 AM

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https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10baZEw9MCqexAe5KpTJxWg_QS0eO1SCFbY2nTLcpPRM/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

MAC Addresses & MAC Changer

Deeper Into Cyber Security Exploring MAC Addresses and MAC Changer

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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alright

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im going to play some factorio

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been a couple days

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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MACs are fun

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Can fingerprint the vendor

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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i prefer pc c:

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

#

there's software that does that too, randomizes it and subsequently changes your IP

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Not Macs silly

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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i know

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:16 AM

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changing the NIC MAC

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I hate macs.. to death

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#deathtomacs

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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hey fiber have you ever made a bot before

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d.py bot i mean

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Kinda want to make a changer that makes the vendor OUI all the weird esoteric ones that are defined in the Manuf file but don't exist anymore

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Just to screw with IT departments

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I have not kazo

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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oh alright

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i really got into python for discord.py

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I'm sure it would be a fun project though

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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stayed for data science though

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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@shell blade Is it you who was in the slides I just sent ?

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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@tame pier devious

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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its fun but i dont have enough ideas to add

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Someone is reading

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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nope

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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kek

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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I could imagine Discord has a nice API to play around with

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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discord exposes nsfw users

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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ill look at it later

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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its fun

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

#

C:\Program Files\Wireshark....\manuf

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/usr/share/wireshark/manuf

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:19 AM

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its one of those things that just gets better the more you learn python

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:19 AM

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00:00:18 WebsterC Webster Computer Corporation # Appletalk/Ethernet Gateway

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:19 AM

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dis.cool/user/useridhere

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exposes servers you're in

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this is bad

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Like yes this appletalk gateway is transmitting 2gbps of data

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:20 AM

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i havent used wire shark is so long i'm pretty sure i forgot how all the protocols work lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Does it now

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Can't believe people have a server called || Mutual masturbation ||

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NSFW warning behind hidden text

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:21 AM

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how do i hide it once i clicked it papa

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:21 AM

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Please don't share that even if it's hidden

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:21 AM

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|| text here ||

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oops

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Im bad at showing it

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lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:21 AM

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what servers am i in

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i just remember im in an old discord server

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called official bondage server

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lol

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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U can't hide it back

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maybe if you relaunch discord

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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lol, a toggleable spoiler would just be weird

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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some things i just want to un see

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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same

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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true.... thats a use case for it

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Discord was giving away king of the hat game in the store this week btw

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I got it

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:23 AM

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is it any good

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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ye

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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nice

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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gotta play to experience the fun

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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I used to play games a lot when I was younger. all I've touched in years is Factorio now

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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im in a giveaway for a switch and it makes me anxious

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

#

but i have like a 0.00003% chance of winning

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so i probably wont

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

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haha

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:24 AM

#

i calculated it

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was something like 3.42e-5 or somthing

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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ps and xbox working on their next gen consoles rn

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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havent they for like 3 years now

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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ps5 and xbox scarlet/anaconda

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i head their still gonna be shit

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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it was announced last yr

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I think

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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yea i feel you @rough sapphire

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i used to play a lot of games

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but recently have stopped

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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they don't have a proper approach for making consoles

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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so much that

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:25 AM

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how so @granite lake

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

#

i think i have almost a year (!) in hours on gmod

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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that's a lot of minging

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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the device itself should be great even if you don't have internet or game discs

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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lol

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only like a fraction of that was minging

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Like nintendo ds

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it has that face thing

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

#

only reason id play it now is to set up a private server w/ friends

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or map making

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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with bobble head dudes

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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modding might be fun some day too

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:26 AM

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and other stuff

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I haven't been on gmod in.... 8+ years

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:27 AM

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its not just that they seem to put outdated parts in them too i wouldnt be surprised if they used arm

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:27 AM

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i havent been on in uhh

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almost a month

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but about a year since ive played multiplayer

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online multiplayer*

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probably more

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:28 AM

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I used to play on PVP servers. so it was building + killing

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I'd join the server early and afk, and put a bunch of invisible cameras all over the map

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:28 AM

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i had this one server i used to play all the time but slowly it got worse over time

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:28 AM

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so I secretly knew where everyone was

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Minecraft and Roblox are the best sandbox games rn

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:29 AM

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the sandbox server of the network was the best but i think it went offline ages ago

#

that server was my first introduction to regex

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still unsure as to what it is though

#

or not regex i dont think

#

but expressions

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:29 AM

#

minecraft is a really cool concept. I dont like how levels dont carry through versions, however

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:29 AM

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i grew out of minecraft around 1.8

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

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I'd want to make a lifelong level that I turn into a masterpiece, but that requires you falling behind versions

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

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lol

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Im against that too

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

#

thatd be cool

#

honestly i think minecraft has just lost all appeal for me

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i cant ever see enjoying it for a long time

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even w/ mods

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

#

did you guys ever hear of that one anarchy server, and there was this massive collaborative base?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:31 AM

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ive heard of anarchy servers but i dont think ive ever been on one

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unless you count popular faction servers w/o /wild

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lol

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:31 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN1r7zJ0nYM people made this thing on a pvp, no rules server

YouTube

FitMC

THE MOST HIDDEN BASE ON 2B2T (Boedecken Pt. 1)

Today, we explore the base that rose from the ashes of Aureus City. My Twitter: https://twitter.com/SonOfShoop My Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fitmcs...

▶ Play video

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and it was then found because someone revealed the coordinates, and was destroyed

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:31 AM

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lol thats cool

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i cant remember the quote

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but something like through entropy emerges beauty or something like that

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:32 AM

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they built it far far far away from spawn so it would be extremely difficult to ever find

shell blade Feb 21, 2019, 6:32 AM

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😪 night guys

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:32 AM

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nitey night

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:32 AM

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night

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how do you get far from spawn in those servers

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seems like itd take weeks of walking nonstop

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:32 AM

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run for hours

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or go through the underworld

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or whatever its called

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the nether

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

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ive walked for days on faction servers even in underworld it takes days

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

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worse still, people camp spawn and try to kill you there

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

#

its nearly impossible to get that far and still be interested by the time you get there

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yea

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

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whats neat is though is that the server was never reset since it was made

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there's ruins of villages with signs from 2010-2011

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:34 AM

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lol wow

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thats around when i started playing

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:34 AM

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the world size.....

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:34 AM

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i remember being in a hotel room in seattle and being satisfied by making a stone sky scraper in flatgrass

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:34 AM

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is 3700 GB

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:34 AM

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around 2012

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jesus

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:35 AM

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lol yeah I remember those days

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I never really did too much above ground stuff, I liked making huge underground complexes

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:36 AM

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i remember spending hours making my own towns around the time custom flatgrasses were added

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and making my own little economy

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and stuff

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:36 AM

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G'night Madi

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Haven't played Minecraft much since 1.0 release

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:36 AM

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yea

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Played back when it was Alpha and Beta

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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i havent played anything past 1.7.10 since 1.8 was released

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

#

Went to the first Minecon with brother

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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immediately didnt like it

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i never went to minecon

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when was alpha?

#

was that 2009

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Got a foam pickaxe signed by Notch

#

lel

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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lol

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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very cool

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Yes back when I was a kiddo

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Well a teenager

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

#

the newer versions are just adding content, not so much features

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

#

god i remember building giant mansions on creative servers

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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terra cotta, fishes, etc

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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yea

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Digdigdig

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

#

its basically become a glorified modpack

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the new minecraft

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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more or less

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

#

Mods were cool

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

#

yea

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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Adding fancy blocks to make fancy houses

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:38 AM

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but atleast you had a choice if you wanted them or not

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Also fuck water

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

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now if you want the latest version you have to have them

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

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Water was the bane of my existance

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

#

hm

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

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So hard to make it look exactly how you want

#

It'll be a little bit not flat

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Or slanted in the wrong direction

#

or just disappear randomly

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:39 AM

#

uh

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:40 AM

#

I'm a perfectionist ok?

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:40 AM

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lol ok

#

earlier last year i played a bit of modded

#

didnt get too far but made a nice base spanning a couple mountains

#

was in 1.7.10

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:40 AM

#

modpacks are nice, but they are unbalanced

#

there's no harmony between mods

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:40 AM

#

i guess

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kinda

#

some modpacks did a good job

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:41 AM

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maybe I didnt play enough

#

I tried some of the FTB ones

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:42 AM

#

yea not sure if those were the best

#

they were a bit wild

#

the technic packs were cool

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:42 AM

#

whatever, water under the bridge at this point lol

#

industrialcraft2 was awesome

#

that actually was the inspiration behind factorio, btw

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:42 AM

#

thats a good mod

#

really?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:42 AM

#

I believe one of the mod devs are now working at Wube (the dev house for factorio)

#

serious

#

you can see the similarities

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:43 AM

#

thats cool

#

lol thats like the dream

#

making a mod and getting hired for it

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:43 AM

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it pays off to have a good mind

granite lake Feb 21, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Sleep is calling now

#

Gn bois

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:44 AM

#

yea

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:44 AM

#

gnite Jason

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:44 AM

#

gn

#

i was thinking back a year ago when i was playing that modded world w/ mountains n stuff

#

and i remember i was going to set up a server for me an my friend to play on

#

and i kept adding mods and stuff but this was by hand since i was hosting it on my own

#

plugins*

#

so a lot of stuff broke

#

and i remember being so happy fixing problems for some reason

#

i realize now thats a good reason to be a programmer lol

#

the little things

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:46 AM

#

yeah it changes your outlook on things

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:47 AM

#

what does

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:47 AM

#

getting into programming was one of the best choices I've ever made

#

getting into programming lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:47 AM

#

oh yea

#

i remember a year or two ago when i first used python i hated it because i didnt know what to do and i didnt know squat or how to know squat

#

i think the problem solving aspect of it is what i like the most

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:50 AM

#

it was overwhelming for me at first, but it grew on me

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:50 AM

#

yea

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:51 AM

#

last summer I made it a point to watch a python conference talk on youtube daily, or any other generic talk on programming/architecture/things of that nature

#

microarchitecture is fascinating

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:52 AM

#

whats that?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:52 AM

#

pretend you want to make a large program

#

instead of having it a single piece of code that runs by itself,

#

you break down the code, and each of them run as their own instances

#

and they communicate by sending data to one another

#

that's how services like netflix works

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:54 AM

#

oh like cogs in d.py?

#

or async.io

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:54 AM

#

I don't know about the first one, but asyncio is part of it

#

just imagine different machines doing different things

#

this goes into cloud computing too

#

where instead of needing one huge monolithic server (which netflix and I believe amazon used to be), their services are now ran on relatively much cheaper boxes

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

wow

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

so servers can break or fail, and software automatically reroutes traffic

#

so from the user's perspective, there's no disruption in service

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

i thought that was the norm

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:57 AM

#

it was in the earlier 2000's

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:57 AM

#

a bunch of different servers in a room

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:57 AM

#

well it still is that way, but the change is in how they interface with one another

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:57 AM

#

why isnt it anymore

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:57 AM

#

and how code is distributed amongst them

#

greater modularity = easier to develop and fix

#

and like I touched on earlier, greater reliability

#

lower costs

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

oh okay

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

the tradeoff is the code can be mildly more complicated

#

since each running instance needs to have the logic on how to handle faults

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

BTW you can control Minecraft from Python

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

for instance a server is requesting user information from a database, and it hasn't received a reply in 3000ms.... is there a problem? should you wait still? what if the data is corrupted?

#

so each instance needs to know how to deal with these issues on its own

#

so it really all boils down to what tradeoffs are more valuable to you, which is a reflection of what you're building in the first place

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:00 AM

#

Microservices

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:00 AM

#

how so KE?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

Kubernetes

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Docker

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

okay

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

oh hey knownerror, didnt know it was you from the name change ./

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

Is one of the services erroring out?

#

Kill the container and make a new one

#

lol

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

its an interesting realm

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

How many mods are there awake at this time?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

you + 2 it seems

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

if poke is awake

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

and eivl is playing the great game called Sublime IDE

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

favorite game

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

Ive tried a few others briefly, but I like pycharm more by a large margin

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:04 AM

#

PyCharm is glorious

#

So, one of the key ideas behind microservices is state, or lack thereof

#

All your state is in a key-value store like Redis or a database

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:05 AM

#

ah, I can see why

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:06 AM

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yea i like pycharm too, ive onyl ever tried vs community as well

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:06 AM

#

That frees you up to scale your business logic

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:06 AM

#

looks like ill need a new IDE though since im learning SQL

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:06 AM

#

IIRC, one key feature of Kubernetes is dynamic load scaling

#

When load increases, it spins up more containers

#

When the load dies down, it kills them off

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

I think pycharm pro can help with that btw kazo

#

and that is very cool 0x

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

It also preserves availability with self healing

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

can it?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

If it determines there needs to be 10500 containers to handle the current load levels, and then 500 die due to an error, it'll respawn 500 to replace them.

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

yeah it has a built in SQL viewer

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

I've never actually used the database features of PyCharm lol

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

I'm sure that helps a lot when you're running a large service on a bunch of EC2 instances, for instance

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Yup exactly

#

It also scales across compute nodes

#

Let's say we need 10,500 containers

#

there are 10 nodes

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

where do i install SQL

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

It will determine where to spawn those containers based on host load

#

Or other methods, configurable of course

#

Also all the inter-container traffic is secure

#

I think Docker can standup it's own Private Key Infrastructure and use TLS between the host nodes

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:10 AM

#

are any of these servers running SSD's, or is it usually enterprise-grade HDDs?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:10 AM

#

Which means all the inter-container traffic goes over encrypted TLS tunnels

#

Really depends

#

I think most places are moving to SSDs for high-load environments like web services

#

HDDs are problematic nowadays

#

The failure rate on, say, a 8TB drive is concerning enough that even RAID 6 is not enough

#

You could have a drive fail, and have another fail while the RAID is rebuilding from the first failure

#

And then have your second redundant <wordi'mforgetting> drive fail too

#

Parity

#

RAID 5 has 1 parity, 6 has 2 parities

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

I read somewhere vibration can become an issue on large drive arrays as well

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

Of course if you're just caching then RAID is pointless

#

Yes

#

So yeah SSDs have a lot of advantages in addition to having higher bandwidth and response times

#

However, their lifespans used to pale in comparison to HDDs

#

I think that's changed the last few years

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:15 AM

#

I think there's some algos some SSD's use to balance out allocation to extend its lifespan

#

there's a name for them that I cannot recall

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:16 AM

#

Yes

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:16 AM

#

so basically if you're only using 10% of the drive and beating it up day in and day out, from what I understood you will lose that space when it fails (how the hardware handles that and shrinks its size, I don't know)

#

vs the algo so it in theory all fails at once

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:16 AM

#

Which is tangentially one of the many reasons forensics on SSDs is a bitch and a half

#

Yes, however drive makers usually add extra storage to account for that

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:17 AM

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oh I didn't know that

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:17 AM

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So if you buy a 120GB drive it might actually have 128GB with 8 GB of sectors in reserve

#

Well, not sectors, whatevertheyrecalled

#

Clusters?

#

Can't recall

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

you're close I think lol

#

so that space is not used until a failure is detected?

#

and then it begins replacing address space from the 'original' drive?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:19 AM

#

Yeh

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:19 AM

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neato

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:20 AM

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blocks?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Yeah I think that's it

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Too lazy to Google right now

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:21 AM

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point taken though

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:21 AM

#

i have an ssd from 2013 that's still at 70% health

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according to crystaldiskinfo

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:22 AM

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that's something I should check, I have 2 from 2015 in RAID 0

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:23 AM

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as long as they're samsung you should be good 👌

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

its had a few upgrades, but this is my box: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PointA2B/saved/hLghP6

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

ive heard some bad stories about kingston/crucial ssds

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

they are crucial

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fffuuuuuu-

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for what its worth though, I've had no problems so far

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and its seriously fast

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

that's a neat build

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do you have a hard drive in there too?

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

it was my first computer I built, it was a lot of fun

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I have a few multi terabyte externals from WD

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

I have a MX500

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It has been one hell of a problem child tho

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Thank goodness for my SanDisk and many Samsungs

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Mini ITX very nice

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

its this constant cycle.... my drive fills up and is almost full from torrents/downloads, flush it into my library and delete the rest, and its back almost empty again

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its a very small computer

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

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i see your mb has ample sata ports

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why not add a drive

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/jJ9WGX pics

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

you could actually probably take out one of the drives in the externals and use that as an internal

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

I've a 4790k and a Gigabyte Z97 as well

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

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honestly not much room in the case

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

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though obviously not recommended

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ah fair enough

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

I was concerned with airflow since its overclocked

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

nice 4th gen represent 😛 @tame pier

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Just tried to search for System Information to remember what mobo model I had....

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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which is why I got the best air cooled solution (noctua) for the peace of mind

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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did the z97s get bios updates yet for spectre/meltdown?

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i was considering buying one but couldnt find any

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Then realized I"m not on Windows anymore

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I don't think mine did

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🤷

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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mine didn't

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

#

:/

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Ah yes, Gigabyte UD5H

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:29 AM

#

next build I want to try a PCI-e SSD

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those look insane

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:30 AM

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hmm, looks like there's a beta bios from 2017/11/14 for the UD5H

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that was before meltdown/spectre wasnt it?

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Yeah

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:31 AM

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man come on gigabyte

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i wonder what the workflow for developing BIOSes for so many MBs is like

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:32 AM

#

Honestly I've wondered the same

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Probably a lot of assembly

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Written in Notepad

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:32 AM

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lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:32 AM

#

By sweatshops in China

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:32 AM

#

lol

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:32 AM

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But they probably like that because they're assembly programmers

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jk

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:33 AM

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programming in assembly is one thing I never hope to do in my life

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:33 AM

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maybe one day if risc5 really takes off we'll have an open source bios for all mbs

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:33 AM

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I've had friends who have had to make simple software with it for some EE classes at university

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:35 AM

#

Really should keep up more with the hardware scene

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Haven't since before college

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:35 AM

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you'll be pleasantly surprised with price drops with some things

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:36 AM

#

Yeah

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Thinking about doing a server build soon

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Mini ITX

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For file storage and media serving

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:36 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-500GB-Internal-MZ-76E500B-AM/dp/B0781Z7Y3S/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ssd&qid=1550734577&s=gateway&sr=8-3 500GB for $78

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unreal...

#

that sounds nice

#

I'm split between doing that or just getting a synology NAS

#

I try to buy quality when I get drives, but I still don't like them being on single drives on something that could possibly fall, break, etc

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:39 AM

#

Bought a 1TB Samsung 860 EVO over black friday

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It was like $130 or so

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

my 120 GB was $70 a few years back

#

and thats a great price

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

the jump from price difference between 250 to 500 and 500 to 1tb is insane

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

psa: never buy toshiba drives

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

why not

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

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dont have overvoltage protection apparently

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

I've heard horrible things about their hard drives a long time ago

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 AM

#

which would cost them like 0.00001 cent to add

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with a simple diode

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 AM

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lol srsly

#

Pretty sure even my cheap $10 USB batteries have that

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 AM

#

🤷

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:42 AM

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lol

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

but also another, very important psa in the same vein

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

what would you do with all the excess space?

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

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never mix and match power supply cables 😛

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

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like what would you store

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that would require a new ssd

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

Uhhhh

#

Yeah I mayyyyy have fried a drive that way

#

Modular PSU

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"uh it fits must be fine"

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It wasn't fine

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:44 AM

#

thing is i was so super careful about everything else, making sure i was grounded blahblahblah

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and then forgot to swap out the power cable

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boom, dead drive pcb

#

from what ive read, it's usually easy to fix by replacing the blown tvs diodes at the power connector

#

but gg toshiba

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who didnt include said diodes 😃

#

there's even an empty space on the circuit where it looks like they were going to add them

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Did you teardown the PCB?

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Or just google

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

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just googling around and asking around on forums and stuff

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

yeah

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

i ordered a donor board

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

donor?

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

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gonna try and salvage it by transferring the flash memory chips

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

daughter?

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

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well, afaik, in the hard drive recovery scene they call spare boards donor boards

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Huh, didn't know that

#

Kinda like donor organs

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

you get a board from a drive with the same model/make and you swap out the bios/firmware chips which contain special unique data associated with the working of that drive

#

and theoretically it should work. assuming the flash chips arent fried.

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Hmm

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:47 AM

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my fingers are crossed that some other component took the hit and prevented them from getting damaged

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Yeah, the flash would have the drive block mapping right?

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:48 AM

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not really sure tbh, it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer

#

the general term is 'adaptive data' i believe

#

so like, when they're calibrating the drives they store the relevant data on those chips, as well as locations for finding firmware on the drive, and other bios/SMART related stuff i assume

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Huh

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Donor seems like the right word yeah

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

something about calibrating spindle pressures

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

Spindle?

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:50 AM

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the things that interact with the platters

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to read/write data

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

Oh right HDDs

#

Was still thinking about SSDs and did a doubletake

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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oh wait no sorry, just googled it, that's wrong. spindle holds the platters in place.

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Ah

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Well, time for bed

#

G'night

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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i think head is the right term

tame pier Feb 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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Yes, heads

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Read/write

vapid bluff Feb 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

#

gnight

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 8:24 AM

#

night

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 8:09 PM

#

Anyone using Travis CI may want to know about this, https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/at3oyq/it_looks_like_ibera_is_gutting_travis_ci_just_a/

r/devops - It looks like Ibera is gutting Travis CI just a few wee...

113 votes and 60 comments so far on Reddit

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:09 PM

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yikes

📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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and gdudes CI solution of choice

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stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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It's sadly something that happens somewhat commonly.
Buy company, get rid of all customers, use tech for self.

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 8:12 PM

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My CI of choice is azure :P

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:12 PM

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oh right yes

#

azure got me angry this week

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 8:13 PM

#

whats a CI?

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:13 PM

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continuous integration

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 8:14 PM

#

oh ok

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:14 PM

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it means that like, when you push a commit to your repository on github, your CI software will run a set selection of tasks (linting, testing, building and deployment)

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 8:14 PM

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ohh

grave phoenix Feb 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

#

dance2

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

#

What happened on azure?

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:16 PM

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i was setting up the code jam baseplate and had some issues with the python version settings

#

poetry did not recognise it

#

in the end we just went with pipenv

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

#

    def __init__(self, user, passwd, db):
        self._db = MySQLdb.connect(user=user, passwd=passwd, db=db, charset="utf8mb4")
        self._db.autocommit(True)
        self.cur = self._db.cursor()

    def __del__(self):
        self.cur.close()
        self._db.close()

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so does __del__ get called only when reference count drops to 0, or will it also be called if the python script ends?

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:22 PM

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rust is also migrating from travis soon https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/which-ci-platform-should-rust-use/9322

Rust Internals

Which CI platform should Rust use?

The Rust Infrastructure team is looking if it’s worth migrating away from Travis CI in the near future. This discussion was started during autumn of 2018, after a summer full of bad Travis CI issues and outages (more on that below), and the rest of the year was still bad en...

rough sapphire Feb 21, 2019, 8:23 PM

#

[0] ```py
C:\Windows\System32>python
Python 3.6.5 (v3.6.5:f59c0932b4, Mar 28 2018, 17:00:18) [MSC v.1900 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

class Test:
... def del(self):
... print('hello')
...
x = Test()
exit()
hello``` @sullen thorn apparently it is called when the python script ends

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:23 PM

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oh awesome thnx 😃

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not sure why i didnt think to just test it

rain spindle Feb 21, 2019, 8:35 PM

#

They are killing Travis CI?

#

Damn

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:35 PM

#

wait what?

rain spindle Feb 21, 2019, 8:35 PM

#

Anyone using Travis CI may want to know about this, https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/at3oyq/it_looks_like_ibera_is_gutting_travis_ci_just_a/

r/devops - It looks like Ibera is gutting Travis CI just a few wee...

129 votes and 73 comments so far on Reddit

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:36 PM

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wow

#

hmm theyre still on the github student dev pack

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 8:37 PM

#

lol sharpie

#

scroll up

#

gdude just posted that

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:38 PM

#

yeah sharp copied the message

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:38 PM

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nah its cuz i didnt see it

bleak lintel Feb 21, 2019, 8:38 PM

#

but yeah i won't be using travis anymore

#

I'm going to be moving to Buildkite

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:38 PM

#

so do azure and gitlab come with CI or something?

worn kite Feb 21, 2019, 8:38 PM

#

gitlab for sure

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:39 PM

#

does github have a premium tier?

#

*gitlab

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Everything listed so far does

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 8:55 PM

#

ah

#

oooh i forgot github is owner by microsoft

#

this is cool 😃

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 8:57 PM

#

that azure integration has been there far longer than that though

rain spindle Feb 21, 2019, 9:00 PM

#

Azure or circle CI is what I'm moving too

tired osprey Feb 21, 2019, 9:00 PM

#

python is where its at

#

yknow

#

you should take this online python course on udemy

rain spindle Feb 21, 2019, 9:00 PM

#

Azure seems a bit.... over the top

#

@tired osprey get out

#

Go take your art exam lol

tired osprey Feb 21, 2019, 9:01 PM

#

its tomorrow at 9:30

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:02 PM

#

i swear those ads have given me ptsd

#

i hate them so much

tired osprey Feb 21, 2019, 9:04 PM

#

what?

#

but

#

real IT professionals need an AWS certificate

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:05 PM

#

i havent seen that ad

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:06 PM

#

I haven't seen either of those ads!

#

Although after I heard about YT's current pedophile problem I'm inclined to maybe install a second adblocker :P

sullen thorn Feb 21, 2019, 9:07 PM

#

be glad about not having seen those ads

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:14 PM

#

TikTok ads?

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:14 PM

#

For reference if anyone was wondering https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/02/21/youtube-losing-advertisers-after-video-reveals-recommendation-wormhole-of-pedophiles/

Android Police

YouTube losing advertisers after video reveals recommendation 'wor...

YouTube is the world's largest video sharing site, so it's no stranger to drama. Often, the turmoil is thanks to the incredible volume of content... by Ryan Whitwam in Google, News

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:14 PM

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i thought the pedophilia stuff ended ages ago

#

like 3 years ago

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

#

Nope!

#

That's when it started though

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

#

they took down a bunch of pokemon videos because there's an in-game stat called "CP"

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

#

lol

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

#

tumblr did the same thing with posts about chronic pain

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

#

That's pretty amusing

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

#

There are some weird people out there

#

"some" is really understating this

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

#

cant wait until they ban dominos for posting about "cheese pizza"

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

#

That's an old one

#

Haha, I'm reminded of my friend showing me around torchan

#

Where they have a board that is literally photos of pizzas

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

#

Guess this is a problem every big platform has to face...

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

#

Yeah, but it's not like they didn't know

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

#

the problem in my opinion

#

is that it's probably actually impossible to effectively moderate a site above a certain size

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

#

But it's virtually impossible to get all these sick minded off this platform

#

^

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

#

in that you'd need paid staff to do it effectively, and the amount of work scales non-linearly and it's too much and there's no way for them to make enough money to do it

#

they will never admit this because at that point the only thing they can ethically do is shut it down

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

#

True

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

#

so we keep getting mistargeted semiautomated half-measures

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

#

That's not really the problem

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

because their jobs, their entire company, depends on believing it is possible to solve the problem this way

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

Their recommendations algorithm is broken in such a way that in a couple clicks, you can get stuck in the so-called wormhole

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

it's the same for copyright, for hatespeech, and for this

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

Where all of your recommendations are suddenly these videos of kids

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

Which is problematic for sure

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

that's another problem, sure

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

But fixing this problem is a far greater problem

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

#

And a lot of them are also monetised

#

That's one of the bigger issues

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:22 PM

#

discord is doing a real bad job with this stuff

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:22 PM

#

I wish I had something nice to say about t+s lol

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:22 PM

#

ive talked to my friend before and he can find a cp discord in a couple hours its disgusting

#

just on public onion sites

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:23 PM

#

You mean the furry staff banning people who said "furrys are s***" in vc

#

Or this

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:23 PM

#

i dont know anything about the situation

#

and i dont to know

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:23 PM

#

To be fair, the darknet isn't exactly... Secretive about that content

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:23 PM

#

so im not going to comment on it

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

Thing is the discord admins messed up

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

it isnt but it shows discord isnt actively looking for those discords

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

It's too easy to create discord accounts and servers

#

That's the main problem

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

they rely on people to report them

#

yea thats true

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

They're actually under investigation at the moment related to warez

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

i heard that, whats going on with that?

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

#

They forbid Loli content but didnt say that Cub content (Loli-Furry-pawn) is forbidden, they even said "nah dude its not the same and is allowed"

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

#

That's been rectified now, yeah

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

#

Not in these words but you get it

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

#

Not sure, kazo

#

@gusty tulip yeah but they did rectify it

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

#

True that

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:25 PM

#

For me though it doesn't have any teeth

#

In my experience, t+s won't deal with the harder issues

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

Giving it teeth is like making a dead body alive again

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

Small harassment, self harm, sure, they'll definitely help you

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

what is this with teeth

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

You can try it but in the end it'll be useless nonetheless

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

It's a figure of speech

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

#

oh

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:27 PM

#

If you want to give something teeth you are basically saying: Its not dangerous/intimidating enough, make it more dangerous/initimidating

#

if i got that correctly

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:27 PM

#

Basically

#

What I'm saying is the policy has been corrected

#

I'm not convinced it'll result in more server bans

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

#

A wolf without teeth wont really hurt you, A wolf with teeth... yeah run
And it most certainly wont result in more server bans, due to the fact that you can have as many servers and as many accounts as you want

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

#

@gusty tulip "teeth" is a pretty commonly used metaphor for the ability to actually enforce a law/regulation/policy

#

surprised you haven't heard it before

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

#

Ah thats what I was searching for

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

#

Yeah we use it a lot here lol

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:28 PM

#

Had it in my mind, somewhere

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:29 PM

#

But yeah, like, for example

#

I've been targeted by some pretty serious harassment

#

I know of servers with huge terms of service violations that have been reported, some of which are like, pivotal

#

T+S, not interested

#

So I really dunno what to say lol

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:32 PM

#

Yeah I guess we backtracked to the point of Random's statement from earlier: It's almost, if not completely impossible to moderate a platform at a certain size

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:33 PM

#

Hmm, no, I don't think that's true

#

It just depends on your resources and how much work you're willing to put in

#

YouTube has shown that algorithms can at least be partially effective

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:34 PM

#

And that thing costed a fortune already

#

The cost of such a moderation algorithm must be prohibitively expensive and than it's not even guaranteed that it works perfectly

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:37 PM

#

Yeah but you do understand

#

In the case of discord, t+s is like 5 people

#

I think part of that is because they don't do remote work

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:38 PM

#

t+s means what exactly? :o

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:38 PM

#

Trust and safety

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

lol what

#

holy shit

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

I just had to read up Trust and safety as I never heard that before

#

iirc

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

Yeah it's a surprisingly small team lol

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

This is pretty bad

#

Like hella bad

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

every other social media site has, like, a small army of people evaluating reports in like a call center in india or something

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

#

Pretty much yeah

#

And their company culture seems to imply lots of free time!

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:41 PM

#

Which is great but

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:42 PM

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I mean I get that having servers self-moderate and no DMs from anyone who's not a friend or shares servers in common reduces a lot of the workload relative to individual problem users... i'd still expect them to need a lot more people than 5

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:42 PM

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If you cant evaluate these reports so that you dont have a leftover, they'll stack and stack and stack until there is no hope

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:42 PM

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You would expect a lot more yeah

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At least 10x more

gusty tulip Feb 21, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Than again, would these people be able to evaluate all these reports?

stark prawn Feb 21, 2019, 9:43 PM

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with 5 people tehre would probably be times that noone is available

sand goblet Feb 21, 2019, 9:44 PM

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That's what I'm thinking

sinful copper Feb 21, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Even if you scheduled them perfectly into minimally overlapping 40 hour shifts, that's only 200 hours a week [vs 168 real time hours]

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which means the average number of people available is, like, 1.2

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ignoring holidays vacations and such

river anvil Feb 21, 2019, 9:47 PM

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we love the internet, but the internet is tracking our every move!

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with ip vanish on your device all of your internet activity is encrypted