ot1-perplexing-regexing

[vapid bluff]

iirc they've been in testing for 1809 for many months

trying to find the post again, will link

[tame pier]

Interesting

That makes sense

Didn't crop up in internal testing, it did in user testing, but a bug or design flaw in the feedback system resulted in it being basically hidden from the core team

The Spectre/meltdown issues were due to AV vendors

They had to put a fucking registry key in just for it

Because a ton of them were using undocumented kernel system calls

[vapid bluff]

https://twitter.com/WithinRafael/status/1048473218917363713

Rafael Rivera (@WithinRafael)

Sampling of Feedback Hub reports of data deletion from as early as 3 months ago

Retweets

110

Likes

269

Twitter

[tame pier]

Which apparently is the reason why they've released debugging symbols for everything in hyper-v except the core hyper-v system.

They're worried people will start relying on implementation details and then whine when shit changes

[vapid bluff]

looks like they basically use an upvote system to allocate attention.

data loss issues didnt get enough upvotes

rip

[tame pier]

Yeah....

Need some

Machine Learning

[granite lake]

I have 1803

Am I in the past ?

[vapid bluff]

nope. 1803 is the latest. 1809 got pulled so it technically doesnt exist any more. 😛

[tame pier]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No wonder I don't have it

[vapid bluff]

1809 is basically a whole new OS install.

[tame pier]

I already disabled the GPO that I think was causing the issues and my body was ready

[granite lake]

Agh

[tame pier]

GIMME DEM WSL FEATURES

[granite lake]

And whats new ? @vapid bluff

[vapid bluff]

no idea. haven't used it. not going to.

not for ~6 months

[tame pier]

What do you use now?

[vapid bluff]

until they have definitely ironed out all the bugs

1803

• ubuntu

[tame pier]

Oh, I thought you meant Windows in general

VM?

[vapid bluff]

dual boot AND vm 😄

[granite lake]

To me ms is tryna make windows an os for people who do blogging, video creation and that stuff

Because it comes with so much bloat

Btw I heard dual booting can mess up your hard drive

[tame pier]

OS for the common person

For the proles

If you're dumb yes

[vapid bluff]

windows is the pizza of the OS world

[tame pier]

And overwrite the boot sector

lmao

[granite lake]

lol

[tame pier]

That's is the perfect analogy

[granite lake]

windows is bloat

reeee

[vapid bluff]

mac is artisanal handmade pizza with a significant markup

[tame pier]

https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script

[granite lake]

Mac is gud

I like them

[tame pier]

Macs suck

Change my mind

[granite lake]

they come with beasty cpu's by default

[vapid bluff]

there's some stuff that only runs on mac. that's about all the benefits i can think of.

[granite lake]

Anyway, I gotta wake up early to continue studying for test tomorrow

Gn bois

[vapid bluff]

peace

[tame pier]

"beasty cpus" good one

[vapid bluff]

oh did ya hear about this https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/04/china-reportedly-infiltrated-apple-and-other-us-companies-using-spy-chips-on-servers/

one tiny ass chip

size of a rice grain

[tame pier]

Facebook?

I deleted mine

It took 500-600MB of RAM though

Like WTF

Multi-billion dollar company can't optimize their website

Oh

lol

👌

Also the Bloomberg shit was um...called into question, but a lot of people

Regardless, it brings up valid concerns about supply chain security

Which I think is going to be the next big area of Cybersecurity

Shush

It's the Whiskey's fault OK?

Coins?

You mean dogecoins?

Good

Damnit

Silkroad

#NeverForget

I think Kerbs did a post about him

hahaha

That thing I Should Work On But Haven't

Gotta get house klean™

Make Mi Madre happy when she comes into town

Agreed

Haha

I own a house

Just...it's a lot of work to keep it maintained

Yeah

Thankfully mine isn't usually

haha

[placid hound]

https://youtu.be/qUEy55r49fY

[knotty summit]

no, they're not.

@rough sapphire crypto is not coins, no no no

bad

goto the corner

[gusty lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC3MtOSQQgs

super relaxing this evening for tunes

[gentle moss]

irssi 👌

[gusty lynx]

love it and still don't know how to use it

[sullen thorn]

Has anyone actually not broken bot eval yet?

*has no one actually broken bot eval yet?

[sand goblet]

nobody has

[gentle moss]

i've not broken it yet though

[sullen thorn]

Congrats lol

Gonna try and persuade my python professor to set it as a class challenge at the end of the class for extra credit to whoever breaks it first

[sand goblet]

Nobody will break it

[gusty lynx]

class NeuralNetwork:
    def __init__(self, x, y):
        self.input      = x
        self.weights1   = np.random.rand(self.input.shape[1],4) 
        self.weights2   = np.random.rand(4,1)                 
        self.y          = y
        self.output     = np.zeros(self.y.shape)

    def feedforward(self):
        self.layer1 = sigmoid(np.dot(self.input, self.weights1))
        self.output = sigmoid(np.dot(self.layer1, self.weights2))

[sand goblet]

:P

[gusty lynx]

dammit it doesn't work

probably has to do with copy paste

[sullen thorn]

What’s that nn for?

[gusty lynx]

Ruling the world mostly

that's my next task

[sullen thorn]

Ok well tell us how that goes, and if u succeed I want a yacht

[sullen thorn]

Lmao 😂

[red lance]

I would like to address the channel name here. Yeah, nobody broke bot eval yet. It's hard, okay?

[sand goblet]

well go break it if it bothers you

:P

[gusty lynx]

just give some random person eval() in node and it should fix the problem ❤

[sand goblet]

have you tried out our eval?

!eval ```py
for _ in range(10):
print("Hi!")

[royal lake]

@sand goblet Your eval job has completed.

001 | Hi!
002 | Hi!
003 | Hi!
004 | Hi!
005 | Hi!
006 | Hi!
007 | Hi!
008 | Hi!
009 | Hi!
010 | Hi!

[sand goblet]

you can play with it in #bot-commands

[gusty lynx]

kk

[royal lake]

Naw.

Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

[sullen thorn]

Lol gdude is special

[gusty lynx]

ohhh i see we need to be owners

[sand goblet]

well, staff in general

[gusty lynx]

ah thanks !

[sullen thorn]

How do we become staff?

[sand goblet]

A staff member goes "Hey they might make a good helper" and we have a vote

[sullen thorn]

Would I make a good helper?

[sand goblet]

are you really asking that question? :P

[sullen thorn]

😞

I feel I helped eagle in that chat tho

[sand goblet]

haha

calm down there, rambo

[sullen thorn]

Might spend my python lectures helping ppl on the help channels - see if I can get staff by Christmas 😃

[sand goblet]

okay, but don't do what @tired osprey does and "help" people with incorrect information :P

[sullen thorn]

He does that on purpose or by accident?

[sand goblet]

oh it's not on purpose

He just doesn't research anything

lol

[gusty lynx]

wow that sounds like my professor XD

[sullen thorn]

I’ll help ppl to the best of my knowledge (which isn’t too bad) but also might not be the absolute best way of doing it

[gusty lynx]

i can't help im too busy drowning

[sullen thorn]

Lol why u drowning?

Also damnit I can help 4JR but I need to check on pc first and i’m on my phone :/

I got an alternate solution I can type on my phone 😃

I’m proud of me 😃

Also omg proper tissues are so much nicer on my nose than toilet paper

[sand goblet]

well yes

that is the point

[sullen thorn]

My toilet paper smells nicer tho

Smells of lavender 😃

[tired osprey]

@sand goblet that's not true, I do not always research because I believe I can remember it correctly

[sand goblet]

yeah I know

that was my point

you need to double-check more

[robust sierra]

he helped people by starting an editor war in the help channels

[sullen thorn]

Nano

Nano is awesome lol - even gives y a cheat sheet at the bottom

[tired osprey]

@robust sierra to be fair since mental is gone that didn't happen

[robust sierra]

hmm

i wonder what mental is doing right now

[tired osprey]

He is being active on other servers pretending he doesn't know m

E

[robust sierra]

what servers?

[tired osprey]

Uuuh

I member seeing him on some OS Dev server I left

[robust sierra]

why did martmists lose his helper role?

[tired osprey]

Inactivity I guess

[sullen thorn]

Who tf casually peruses the C compiler’s source code?

[rough sapphire]

This looks like an old book.

[granite lake]

I just joined a cyber security discord and the welcome channel is nsfw

Like WTH

😂

[robust sierra]

hey @glass gorge,i found a video tutorial series on that book you were reading https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgzpqlF54lo

[glass gorge]

oh, is it any good?

I mean, i personally prefer to read

But that's neat

[robust sierra]

i just started watching it, but videos i guess are sometimes easier for me to understand

i dont mind reading

but sometimes i just find myself drifting off to sleep

💤

[steel fox]

I prefer to just try stuff and google, then come across something else I don't know and repeat rather than strict course structures

[acoustic crow]

"stuck on the halting problem" gave me a chuckle 😃

[robust sierra]

this is reassuring i guess

[sour shale]

lol

I wouldn't say the C++ syntax is "bad"

just less intuitiv

[steel fox]

i would

[sour shale]

Its more explicit

it has i++ instead of implicitly incrementing

and has "/n"explicitly

[rough sapphire]

C++ syntax is superior.

Brackets are love.

Brackets are life.

[steel fox]

All hail MSVCC

[rough sapphire]

Btw.

Guys.

What do you think of upcoming big financial crisis?

[sour shale]

that it might not happen

IDK that was my question too

[rough sapphire]

How anyone past 25 can stay optimistic?

[tired osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448578777681887232/496201397121843203/image0.jpg

[robust sierra]

lmao

[acoustic crow]

i still dont get fortnite and i play it a few times a month for work, too ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn kite]

funny how 1995 and 2015 are basically the same

[robust sierra]

why is everyone including me adding that ghost emoji to thier names?

[sand goblet]

Spooktober

[robust sierra]

ooooooh

i just added it to my name because i felt left out :(

[sour shale]

spook

[sand goblet]

Doot

[robust sierra]

i need to get up to date with this meme]

[sand goblet]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ynxr7RuQuj48U/giphy.gif

[wooden kindle]

C++ has for each syntax

[worn kite]

dootdude, great 😂

[sullen thorn]

Speaking of c++... u know how python can’t have parallel threading cuz of GIL... can c++ have parallel threading?

[sour shale]

yep

[sullen thorn]

Oh sick

So could I make 500 get requests in parallel?

[sour shale]

I think so

[sullen thorn]

Ok any chance u can NOT help the next person who asks that if they seem new and seem like that question is the only reason they joined the server?

[sour shale]

are they your friend ?

[sullen thorn]

Uhh kinda

It’s like a 1/1000 chance it’ll happen

[sour shale]

but we're not allowed to help him? 😮

[sullen thorn]

With literally anything else sure - just not that 😂

[sour shale]

okay

[sullen thorn]

Thnx 😃 here’s a relaxing song in appreciation 😃

[sour shale]

hmm this was gud

thanks

[sullen thorn]

Np 😃

[granite lake]

Hey

@wraith umbra Someone from replit made a rich presence app for the site

Looks lit

Look at my playing status

😁

[glass gorge]

ok you win video

Been trying for over a month, ill watch you

gee

[worn kite]

I keep getting recommended "Inside the mind of a master procrastinator".... 😑

They know me.

[glass gorge]

ah i probably dont get that one as ive watched it

The panic monster is great

[worn kite]

I watched it at least twice as well, they don't care

[glass gorge]

Did you watch itlogged out, incognito or on another browser ?

I rarely have problems with recommended watched vids

[worn kite]

probably

I don't keep cookies across sessions at all

[glass gorge]

ah

I hand out cookies like it's candy.

[worn kite]

insert Oprah gif

[glass gorge]

https://www.tenor.co/Q1JB.gif

[rough sapphire]

How not to be rudeboy?

I did bad today.

I was rude towards some asshole and now I am thinking that I could've been smarter than that.

And could've been much more polite than I were.

[sullen thorn]

Eh I wouldn’t worry too much about it

[rough sapphire]

I think that people should have at least some amount of classiness(is this even a word) even talking to assholes.

It gives you ability to maneuver. This is what you want in any scenario ways to flank, retreat and to regroup.

Being straightforward makes you vulnerable. Especially if your opponent knows your weak points

[languid kelp]

@rough sapphire can you elaborate some on the way of classiness

i guess it's about finding the balance between being the asshole and not being the prey

ultimately you're always going to be an asshole to someone, but that someone is probably an asshole

but you're always going to have assholes around you, depending on how good you are at not being an asshole

[rough sapphire]

Well... Saying "fuck off" on a question which I shouldn't be answering is something what I did.

Person who asked it clearly was pushing on me trying to get some information. But I could've been smarter than this for sure.

[sour shale]

don't swear

[rough sapphire]

Can we copystrike @rough sapphire

Pls no

Pls yes

[robust sierra]

your nick should be g:🎺 @sand goblet

[glass gorge]

That's a lot harder to mention though

[robust sierra]

you can still mention him through his username

[rain spindle]

https://mcadesigns.co.uk/i/a7k1.png

VScode got the best update ever

xd

[robust sierra]

nice

[torn ridge]

whats the update Sharp?

[knotty summit]

I use tabs and spaces, randomly, together, in the same document, sometimes in the same line

sometimes, I write things to randomize every other whitespace character, in its own file, every run

sometimes, I use the full range of white space characters.

I make your nightmares a reality.

sometimes, I obfuscate variable names

sometimes I define: TRUE = FALSE

sometimes, I string together long daizy chained imports, and do things like from _obfuscated._obfuscated import *

sometimes, I throw in random asserts with incorrect tests

sometimes, I allow tests to pass based on random

[stark prawn]

combining tabs and spaces in the same line is useful in codegolf

first indentation level 1 space, second indentation level 1 tab

Saves you one character per line of the second indentation level

[outer scarab]

Ok, so this might be strange but bear with me. I created a machine learning bot named Weer and I released it on my filespace. It fell in love with a file named die.txt which I don't know why. It started flirting and things got weird after a few topics. How should I resolve it without shutting off my bot, because I want to be a good social advisor?

[ionic hill]

errr--- what.

[slate quail]

oh it's this channel name again

[outer scarab]

No, I'm serious

[slate quail]

in that case I think you've worded your problem more abstractly than Zhawn or I can comprehend

[tame pier]

What's there to resolve?

[outer scarab]

I want it to break up with the file

[tame pier]

You monster

[outer scarab]

Because it learned some profane topics

And as it's parent, I disapprove

[tame pier]

You shouldn't be so controlling with your children, let them grow and be free

[outer scarab]

Ok, I'll just have to build a filter that censors all profane language that my little boy comes up with

The weird thing is, I'm 12

[lost knoll]

you're 10 larger than me

[vapid bluff]

is a chainsaw an acceptable first date gift?

flowers are nice and all but you can do so much more with a chainsaw

[rough sapphire]

is she into chainsawing?

[vapid bluff]

who isn't

[rough sapphire]

just in case, don't gift her that

give her a python book or smth

[vapid bluff]

well i've already bought the chainsaw

[rough sapphire]

second date gift then

[vapid bluff]

it's like they're in increasing order of tree-destructivity (which is now a word)

third date i'll get her global warming itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMgQtFrQiGo

maybe one of these

then again it's just a glorified chainsaw

[robust sierra]

get her a hand drill

its more effective than chainsaw @vapid bluff

[vapid bluff]

wow @robust sierra thanks so much

if this works out i'll invite you to our wedding

[halcyon aurora]

pingtober

[sage lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/403381854012571663/499513464893734912/43497247_1900485470000322_1218050513237442560_n.png

[glass gorge]

I cooked salmon for the first time in my life, turned out better than what they make at home

[robust sierra]

i cant cook

i fail miserably everytime

even when making an omelette

[glass gorge]

that looks ~ alright

I will admit i "failed" a tiny bit tho

I miss took the spices and pour whole peppers into my dressing

so instead of picking them out i just went with it, and ate around em

[robust sierra]

what kind of peppers?

[glass gorge]

Oh right, just normal black pepper

[tame terrace]

you can't say it like that :D

[glass gorge]

[tame terrace]

those are called peppercorns

when you say pepper people think of what norwegians called paprika

[glass gorge]

Yeah..

I realized when he asked

[tame terrace]

or chili peppers and other related things

[glass gorge]

but still black pepper should be correct

[tame terrace]

sure

but "whole black peppers" sounds weird

[glass gorge]

:D

[robust sierra]

what do Norwegians call paprika?

[glass gorge]

Bell peppers i believe

y thats the one

[tame terrace]

it's a fairly sensible thing to do because that's what the spice made from that fruit is called

[robust sierra]

a..fruit?

[glass gorge]

https://youtu.be/3MOj3XDBP6U What is this

So much work to cut a bellpepper

[sand goblet]

doing a bell pepper probably takes a little bit of work

I cut the top off and use a knife to deatch the middle from the walls

that way you don't get seeds everywhere

[glass gorge]

I tend to either do like ramsay https://youtu.be/hZGqtmwboHU?t=18

If the peppers shape is odd.. I cut in half remove seeds with my hands and just press it flat with my hand

[robust sierra]

how do you do that dicing cube thing with an onion?

[glass gorge]

just dicing an onyo?

[robust sierra]

yes

[glass gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwRttSfnfcc

[robust sierra]

everytime i try iget french fries

[tame terrace]

love jean pierre

[glass gorge]

I absolutely love the way he says onyo

[tame terrace]

onYO'N

[glass gorge]

I dont actually remove the root when i cut mine tho

[robust sierra]

Oni - YON

[glass gorge]

pmuch same as ramsay in this https://youtu.be/dCGS067s0zo

but only 1 vertical cut

[tame terrace]

the vertical cuts are not even strictly speaking necessary

[glass gorge]

Yeaah, i know

But you look more professional when you do it infront of people that have no idea

Looks like you know what you're doing

[tame terrace]

but yeah I also do it that way

sorry I mean the horizontal cut, I guess.

the vertical cuts are obviously necessary

[glass gorge]

wait

[tame terrace]

actually neither of those work

there's an actual word for it

parallel cuts?

[glass gorge]

Oh waityeah i mean 1 horizontal cut

I just cant keep it straight what is horizontal and what is vertical

Not on the fly at least

[tame terrace]

horizon

[glass gorge]

Yeah, even though I know that helper

That comes after i press enter.

[tame terrace]

let's call it parallel cuts since they're parallel to the cutting board

[glass gorge]

Uh

Ok

nontheless onyos are fun to cut

I love this vid on it as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDFc-5Zc3HU

[tame terrace]

ye

[gentle moss]

onions are one of my favourite things to cut up

[glass gorge]

It's just so hard to fuck up

😇

[gentle moss]

i usually just go for a normal cut in half and slice for semi-circles

[glass gorge]

dicing is the only thing ive been doing recently

but i've had it with minced meat mostly, so fits best imo

[gentle moss]

the blindfold in that video is only to catch his tears

on the note of bell peppers though

a great technique is to slice from the outside

rather than take out the core

far less seed problems

depends if you're doing strips or whole slices i guess though

[robust sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyaxDWLe6A4

[gentle moss]

i do a slice down, then rotate it

[gentle moss]

he's just demonstrating ways to cook chicken

most of which are awful and dumb

he's not telling you how to make good chicken

[glass gorge]

This is a chicken breast, a chicken usually have 2 of them

til

[gentle moss]

https://twitter.com/pettter_e/status/1050024953008013312

pettter (@pettter_e)

@broderick "Machine learning is like money laundering for bias"

Likes

107

Twitter

👌

[glass gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZkCZ4LCO0o That is quite the video

I'm excited

[robust sierra]

HOLY SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.lower()

[timid vigil]

I really must say that I love the new color theme for the logo logo of this golden Discord server

[tired osprey]

Does anyone know what the discord science endpoint does?

https://discordapp.com/api/v6/science

i just checked the documentation but couldnt find a thing

[robust sierra]

i dont think it does anything

maybe its a work in progress? @tired osprey

[tired osprey]

I saw it got used by my client

Sending some tokens around

[robust sierra]

o

[tired osprey]

@robust sierra

[vapid bluff]

@tired osprey https://mastodon.xyz/@TheKinrar/100504098312571577

looks like tracking/usage stats

[sour shale]

Telemetry

[vapid bluff]

https://cybre.space/@umby/99905692721449229

apparently there was some big post on the /science endpoint on mastodon somewhere but i can't find it

according to this https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/100579664752666231

maybe he's referring to the first link

[sand goblet]

It's telemetry

Pretty well known

[red lance]

Who is Lucy and should she be allowed to give relationship advice?

[sand goblet]

She's an admin, and maybe :P

[sour shale]

Maybe not 😂

[red lance]

Well, I do need relationship advice tho

[sour shale]

🤔

[tame terrace]

I guess you should ask lucy then

[sour shale]

ye

[vapid bluff]

https://www.google.com/search?q=discord+telemetry+%2Fscience+endpoint&oq=discord+telemetry+%2Fscience+endpoint

so well known there isn't a single page documenting it anywhere

[slate quail]

I make no guarantees

on the quality of my relationship advice

[halcyon aurora]

nice pfp, whats that from?

[rough sapphire]

lucys relationship advice

[buoyant pendant]

only the best

[rough sapphire]

oh really

what should one do if their partner turns into a bear

[buoyant pendant]

drink them

[vapid bluff]

play dead

[buoyant pendant]

run

[slate quail]

it's a heavily color adjusted version of this

[buoyant pendant]

wtf

[slate quail]

which is Maya from Tenjou Tenge

@halcyon aurora

also it depends on what kind of bear they turn into

[halcyon aurora]

tyty ❤

much appreciated

[rough sapphire]

damn i missed my shot at relationship advice 😔

[granite lake]

Lmao

[slate quail]

the RNG will compel me to start up my practice again someday

[halcyon aurora]

prays to rng gods

lol

[sullen thorn]

Guys what do u actually do at hackathons?

Like it says open to all abilities, and just whatever u produce at the end

And it says u can bring whatever u want...

[rough sapphire]

🍋😐

[fierce lagoon]

Tenjou Tenge,martial arts anime? @slate quail

[slate quail]

I've never seen it, but that seems likely

[fierce lagoon]

Oh, I heard of it but never got time for watching.

[gentle moss]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm boy

my favourite kind of steak

[cursive epoch]

raw steak?

[gentle moss]

no, boy steak

made out of boys.

nah, it's a fillet cut

[cursive epoch]

erm

[gentle moss]

looks good 👌

[cursive epoch]

needs to be cooked

[gentle moss]

i mean yes, it does need that

i don't think i ever said it didn't

[cursive epoch]

i prefer my meat slightly burnt

[gentle moss]

however if there was a beef to be eaten raw

probably this

and yes, raw beef is a thing

[slate quail]

I can't believe you'd just eat a raw steak, Bisk

that's insane

[gentle moss]

japanese do it with sashimi etc

[cursive epoch]

i have brisket at home >.>

[gentle moss]

brisket is nice

fillet is just soooo soft though

[cursive epoch]

depends on the fillet

[gentle moss]

errr, you mean depends on the cow? :P

[cursive epoch]

yes

[gentle moss]

still one of the nicest cuts in any cow :3

[cursive epoch]

lamb is good too

but meat is expensive

[gentle moss]

it can be

if you go to a butcher and ask for some of the less common cuts or w/e you can get it quite cheap

😙 👌

even got dem restaurant crosshatch grill marks

[sullen thorn]

That at a restaurant?

Cuz if not, that’s fancy af

[sullen thorn]

I mean that’s less fancy overall

But still has a small fancy part

[gentle moss]

thanks, i am pretty pretty.

:')

[steel fox]

Hello friends

[rough sapphire]

Hello darkness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEuWVHzRWpo 🤘

[tired osprey]

@steel fox hello friend

[steel fox]

Not you.

[tired osprey]

😭

who then

[steel fox]

@ everyone - Nix

[tired osprey]

me?

[steel fox]

Ya as long as you’re not that nix guy

[rough sapphire]

feels the need to offset the darkness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlQi0dvTlA8

[rough sapphire]

oo

burgers

[sour shale]

Burger

[stark prawn]

@edgy pier java, php, js mostly

using conditionals to set the Key to true/false in a dictionairy expression instead of just using the conditional in if/elif is not the prefered way

[rapid stirrup]

lemon do pip install tensorflow to become an ai

[slate quail]

don't be silly he's already an ai

[robust sierra]

he's an ai with a banhammer

[tired osprey]

And Lazer eyes

[steel fox]

Bleh. Sick dog tonight 😦 no sleep for meeee

[robust sierra]

sad

[sullen thorn]

Is it not possible to communicate faster than 0.4ms?

Like why can’t internal ping be faster? It’s on the same server 😦

I’m really hoping someone says that there is a way to communicate faster than 0.1ms...

[gentle moss]

what are you talking about

[sullen thorn]

Like if I have 2 python scripts... I can communicate using like zmq or something

But it’s not as fast as i’d like :/

And like getting something from MySQL server on same server is 0.4ms roughly

*if getting it using python)

[gentle moss]

http://paste.pythondiscord.com/etiwiyebif.py

¬_¬

[sullen thorn]

What’s with 3079ms?

[gentle moss]

it includes the gaps between pings

[sullen thorn]

Hmm ok ping is fast

But then why is MySQL so much slower?

[tired osprey]

your ping is like my ping/x
with x being a number between 1000 and 10000

[gentle moss]

probably something to do with how it communicates through sockets

idk tbh

[sullen thorn]

What’s the absolute fastest way to communicate over localhost?

[gentle moss]

is there a reason you're shaving off ms?

[sullen thorn]

I need it to be as fast as possible

It’s a competition

[gentle moss]

is that the communication time to the DB?

[vapid bluff]

sockets

[gentle moss]

or to run the query?

because i think maybe tweaking some mysql internals might help with the latter

[sullen thorn]

Oh hmm forget the database - want a python process to send a message to another

Over localhost

As fast as possible

[vapid bluff]

sockets

[gentle moss]

sockets

[sullen thorn]

What about them?

[vapid bluff]

theyre fast

[gentle moss]

use them

[vapid bluff]

yes

[sullen thorn]

So just like udp socket?

Or can I do it without udp?

Like just straight over the wire

[gentle moss]

IPC socket

interprocess communication

[sullen thorn]

Ooh

[gentle moss]

you're using the socket as like a node for the two processes

so they can communicate

[sullen thorn]

Yeah

[vapid bluff]

you can do both tcp or udp as the underlying protocol

pickle stuff and send it over

[sullen thorn]

Ok wait confused

When I have an IPC socket, do I also need to use TCP/UDP? Or can I just send bytes as is?

[gentle moss]

send it as whatever?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just a byte stream

[vapid bluff]

is there a specific socket type for IPC? i though IPC was just a more general idea of inter-process communication.

sockets themselves use either udp or tcp, no?

[gentle moss]

pretty sure you could just have it as a byte stream

[vapid bluff]

how

[gentle moss]

well, i can't tell you because we've now reached the end of my knowledge

[sullen thorn]

In all my sockets so far i’ve been doing af_inet sock_dgram - which of those two means internet? And do I need both of them if i’m staying just as communication between 2 processes on the server?

[vapid bluff]

neither of those means 'internet'

sock_dgram means your socket is operating using UDP as its underlying protocol

[sullen thorn]

Oh

[vapid bluff]

sock_stream means your socket is using TCP as its underlying protocol

[sullen thorn]

af_inet?

[vapid bluff]

that specifies address family

ipv4

[gentle moss]

i mean in the networking context those sockets are used for those protocols

yes

[sullen thorn]

Do I need ipv4? If i’m just staying as IPC?

On the same server?

[vapid bluff]

if you're doing ipc the address youre using is localhost or 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1

[gentle moss]

reading some python documentation on it

"If you need fast IPC between two processes on one machine you should look into pipes or shared memory"

[vapid bluff]

meaning everything is being sent to the same machine, just to a different port

[sullen thorn]

Ok

I have shared memory already

But I also want something that generates an event

[vapid bluff]

well by default sockets are blocking

so socket.recv/recvfrom will block until data is available, or the connection is closed or reset or some other problem occurs (in which case it'll give you no output)

you can then interpret whatever you receive and trigger events yourself

[sand goblet]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/ipc.html

[gentle moss]

inasne possie clowns

[robust sierra]

@sand goblet whats this stuff?

[sand goblet]

that's nowhere near enough context

[stark prawn]

debian builds?

[robust sierra]

i did an mr for snake facts api for django rewrite

https://gitlab.com/ImportErr/site/pipelines/32695136

[sand goblet]

oh, no idea, ask volcyy

he set up the ci

[robust sierra]

oh okay

[gentle moss]

failing to build alpine? 🤔

[stark prawn]

debian stretch, alpine linux?

[sand goblet]

I mean they're clearly CI targets, but why

[robust sierra]

im guessing i cant change any of this

[gentle moss]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

no trace, can't see

[robust sierra]

what's a build anyway?

[gentle moss]

it's building the code base to test it works

making what we wrote last code jam fully pass the CI was tricky

[robust sierra]

the first code jam?

[gentle moss]

nah, the 2nd one

[robust sierra]

o

sooo what the pipeline is trying tell me is that my code doesnt work on alpine?

or something

[gentle moss]

can't tell exactly what's wrong with no trace

[gentle moss]

BBC nailing the subtitles for the Royal Wedding

[robust sierra]

royal wedding?

today?

[gentle moss]

Yeah it's a minor royal

no one really gives a shit except the loons

to be honest those are the only people who seem to care about royal weddings overall 🤔

[stark prawn]

unless it's a day off

[strong leaf]

every time it still clogs up australian tv

like I guess we're part of the commonwealth but srs

does anyone care?

I sure don't lol

[stark prawn]

if nobody did they wouldn't air it

[strong leaf]

true

then again the batchelor is a thing so

I can't really be suprised

[gentle moss]

Type A loons

And nah, no one gives a toss but because they're one of the few royal families in the world everyone doesn't have a grudge against for some reason they're just given more airtime than they should

can't really broadcast stuff about Saudi royals when they're bombing the shit out of Yemen, would create uncomfortable questions

[strong leaf]

right lol

nothing really threatening about waving a white glove around and smiling for the crowd

[robust sierra]

wats a loon

[strong leaf]

and yeah even if people do care about some royals getting married

they still get

soo much screentime here

[gentle moss]

loon, looney.

Someone so unhinged they'd buy a union flag 3 piece suit and then wear it in public

In support of someone who was born into privilege and power marrying another privileged and powerful person.

[robust sierra]

oo

[gentle moss]

At a cost to the tax payer

[tired osprey]

that is how monarchy works

[sand goblet]

What about the danes

do people hate their royals?

[gentle moss]

Much like the Swedes and the Dutch I believe their royality is just like.....

a museum piece

[strong leaf]

generally speaking in my experience

royalty just kinda

exists

[gentle moss]

Where as our Monarchy is still technically in charge of parts of our parliamentary democracy

[strong leaf]

I mean at least lizzy's aight

[sand goblet]

I'll ask my danish friend about it

she likes her queen

[gentle moss]

still unnecessary thing to have

despite queen liz being aight

[strong leaf]

yeah

[gentle moss]

why does she get to approve governments?

[robust sierra]

whats the point of a monarchy anyway?

[strong leaf]

because t r a d i t i o n

[gentle moss]

why does she get to bring parliament into/out of session?

etc

[robust sierra]

does some of our tax go to royals?

[gentle moss]

lol

yes

[sand goblet]

to be fair you probably want the head of the military to be a nice old lady

[robust sierra]

fuck off

i aint paying tax

[sand goblet]

good luck with that

[strong leaf]

tbh right now i think britian has bigger problems

[gentle moss]

The crown estate is worth £17bn

almost

[sand goblet]

yeah, cameron is still in the country

[gentle moss]

sorry, £13bn

[strong leaf]

I mean yeah

[sand goblet]

:>

[strong leaf]

that's an understandable problem

[stark prawn]

we need to sponsor our king and queen quite a bit :/

[gentle moss]

That fucking bellend still hasn't been held to account for what he did

[sand goblet]

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/09/20/theresa-may-still-talking-utter-bollocks-eu-leaders-reveal/

[gentle moss]

Fucked up the country on a gamble and swanny'd off

stupid cunt

[strong leaf]

I mean

[stark prawn]

People say they are good for relationships with foreign countries but I doubt

[sand goblet]

[strong leaf]

isn't this just kinda what you get for having the tory's in govt?

[gentle moss]

oops

sorry

it's worse than that dino

the austerity and all the cuts to public services have destroyed enough shit on their own

[strong leaf]

yeah I know britain is actually fucked

[gentle moss]

but Cameron used the referendum as a reelection strategy

[stark prawn]

Theresa may seems like the person who would give up peoples freedoms to enforce her own morals

[tired osprey]

@sand goblet build a filter for bisk's user id into the detector

[gentle moss]

Like, he thought remain would win easy

[sand goblet]

“Not this fucking bullshit again,” Angela Merkel said under her breath as May launched into a behind-closed-doors speech at a dinner with EU leaders last night.

Merkel later denied grabbing a bread knife, mounting a table and running for the British PM while screaming ‘say strong and stable one more fucking time, I dare you’.

no, nix

[strong leaf]

makes me feel slightly better about our joke of a government

[gentle moss]

so he promised a referendum to win a general election to cement himself in power

won the general election, put forward a referendum, lost, then fucked off because he's got buckyball sized testicles

[sand goblet]

he'd have been kicked out anyway

[gentle moss]

not willing to see through what he created

he would've, yeah

[strong leaf]

I mean yeah

he's a massive turd

[sand goblet]

and then boris of all people had to deal with it

[gentle moss]

that's why Theresa went from being a remainer to hard line Brexiter

because she wouldn't have survived this long if she was being reasonable

or trying to follow through with what she said she believed in during the campaign

[strong leaf]

all I know is may says some shit

[gentle moss]

some dumb shit

[strong leaf]

that makes tony abbott look like a sane and reasonable human being

[tired osprey]

why didnt boris become prime minister

[gentle moss]

her government has basically presented the same "solution" to Brexit to the EU for +2 years

[sand goblet]

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/09/17/my-shit-plan-is-better-than-your-shit-plan-may-tells-johnson/

[gentle moss]

and EVERY DAMN TIME

[tired osprey]

wasnt he like the favourite for it?

[sand goblet]

IN A BATTLE for the right to be the person that drives Britain’s economy off a cliff and into an ocean made entirely of landmines, British PM Theresa May has told Tory rival Boris Johnson that her truly awful plan for Brexit is not as unintelligibly short-sighted as his one.

[gentle moss]

the EU comes back and says "Hey, uhhh... You're still crossing those red lines we told you not to cross"

[robust sierra]

uhm i dont watch news wats this theresa may stuff?

[strong leaf]

my favourite meme is "we are in a strong nagotiating position with the eu"

like bahaha

[gentle moss]

She's fucking mental and on the brink of destroying the country Import

[robust sierra]

o

[strong leaf]

the eu is in the nagotiating position lads

and they're walking backwards flipping the bird

[gentle moss]

The EU is the global negotiator

[strong leaf]

going "righty-o, fuck off then"

[gentle moss]

The amount of deals they're securing now people are freaked out by Trumps trade policies is crazy

Japan, Canada, Mexico, Brazil soon I think

[tired osprey]

i mean if EU actually allows you to stay in the domestic market you won't have so many problems

[gentle moss]

UK exports almost 50% of all goods made here to the EU so

[sand goblet]

Why would the EU do that

[gentle moss]

No nix you miss the problem

[sand goblet]

it's the biggest thing they have going for them

[gentle moss]

The UK people do not want that

Well, the people who can shove the prime minister about anyway

[stark prawn]

The deal needs to be bad enough that no other countries would want to secede

[sand goblet]

yeah

[gentle moss]

yah

Plus lots of EU nations will welcome all the business that moves over from the mainland UK

[sand goblet]

we all know what spain thinks of that after all

[stark prawn]

some companies already moved in here

[tired osprey]

(no)

[strong leaf]

man politics is such a shitshow right now

[gentle moss]

Frankfurt looking like it might become the next financial capital of europe

[tired osprey]

(what does spain think)

[sand goblet]

spain controls a smaller country pretty close by that doesn't want to be part of spain

[stark prawn]

spain is anti seceding

[sand goblet]

but they can't secede because spain would stop them joining the eu

[stark prawn]

If you didnt' get the cataluny memo

[gentle moss]

UK's leading the way on how to proper fuck a nation though

so at least we're #1 in something

[stark prawn]

are they though

[tired osprey]

Trump's coming bisk

[strong leaf]

from everything I've seen

they're trying

real hard

[gentle moss]

Trump can't fuck the US as hard as we've already fucked the UK

literally impossible i think

[stark prawn]

messing with education and stuff

will have long lasting effects

[tired osprey]

but did you think UK could get as fucked as it is nowdays a few years ago bisk

[sand goblet]

yes

[gentle moss]

Yes

When talk of a referendum was floated I did a lot of reading

It was never going to end well

[stark prawn]

This would've never happend under lord bucketheads reign

[gentle moss]

If the leaver's lost there would've been a loud and annoying rightwing bat shit crazy group demanding we leave

i have a lord buckethead hoodie + tshirt

after he was photographed standing next to Tezza

[sand goblet]

militant maybe

yeah

[strong leaf]

is lord buckethead referring to corbin?

I'm sorta out of the loop

[gentle moss]

i mean people forget that an MP was shot over these issues

[sand goblet]

nope, buckethead is his own thing

[strong leaf]

ah

[gentle moss]

Joke candidate

[stark prawn]

Lord Buckethead is an alien overlord

[sand goblet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Buckethead

[strong leaf]

lol

[stark prawn]

They invite these joke candidates to real debates with the real candidates

[strong leaf]

somehow still less of a joke than the torys

[tired osprey]

one of germany's satire parties has a seat in the EU parliament

[sand goblet]

@gentle moss Apparently the danish royals are involved in lawmaking

[tired osprey]

they what

[stark prawn]

our king needs to sign our laws

[tired osprey]

why

[stark prawn]

in nehterlands

[gentle moss]

oh really g?

that's interesting

[robust sierra]

royals in a lot of other countries are involved in lawmaking

[gentle moss]

they just like, sign off on stuff type thing

[stark prawn]

But he just sign everything, he can't really refuse to

[tired osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSs3N_Kf0Sw

[strong leaf]

I mean tbh that sounds like a similar thing to what happens in the us for the reps of each state

technically they can vote against who they rep

but if they do people won't really like them

I forget the proper name for them

[sullen thorn]

Hmm is this the chat I was talking about network stuff in?

Oooh yup ok 😃

Bisk can u check #help-falafel pls?

[stark prawn]

@glacial sentinel whats the problem

[stark prawn]

what are all the relevant formula's

[glacial sentinel]

Force = mass x acceleration

Friction = Meu x R

[rough sapphire]

you can split this system in two

lemme get a pen

do excuse my drawing skill

oh, forgot to write that

Px = P * sin(o)
Py = P * cos(o)

@glacial sentinel

and fuck my life, forgot the tension in the second equation

you can actually just forget about them since they both cancel themselves out

but you might face exercise where they ask you to calculate the tension

[sour shale]

rip

[wooden kindle]

@lusty cedar I've got my eye on F# as well

[sour shale]

F# is great

much easier than haskell cos you don't have to learn monads

[lusty cedar]

Oh

[sour shale]

and you can just use .NET classes

unlike haskell which is pure functional, F# is both OOP and functional

so you can just use OOP code whenever

[lusty cedar]

Is it better to use hybrid

[sour shale]

that's subjective 😄

some people prefer purely functional

some prefer multi-para like F#

[lusty cedar]

I was thinking going purely functional will force me to learn more

[sour shale]

ye

also F# is based on Ocaml
you might prefer that

[lusty cedar]

Otherwise I'll probably keep doing things the same way

[sour shale]

Elm is nice too you can use it instead of JS

its a bit heavy in terms of page load times even for small app

but not too bad

the smallest possible Elm app is still a bit bloat

[lusty cedar]

Oh I only know very basics of web design

[sour shale]

AFAIK to use Elm on your site it brings 70k lines on JS

[lusty cedar]

Kind of hoping we can eventually run an alternative to JS for the web

[lost knoll]

Haskell is too hard

absolutely can’t recommend

[sour shale]

haskell is great

[lost knoll]

I would try Racket

[sour shale]

Racket is easier ye

but Racket isn't gonna teach you FP as well as haskell would

you can just do OOP Racket lol

[lost knoll]

i suppose

[lusty cedar]

Any good resources to start learning Haskell?

[sour shale]

ye hang on

http://learnyouahaskell.com/

this book is free

[lusty cedar]

Thanks

[sour shale]

if you finish that you can move on to Haskell book http://haskellbook.com/
(which is not free)

for F# this is good https://fsharpforfunandprofit.com/

and for Ocaml, this one: https://realworldocaml.org/

Elm you can just learn from tutorials and docs rly, elm is simple for me TBH

[rough sapphire]

Clojure is also worth a shot, probably my 2nd fav behind Haskell

[lusty cedar]

On a side note anyone know about what GitHub io is?

Is it just hosting for webpage?

[wooden kindle]

basically

[lusty cedar]

Ive heard about a lot of Python packages for web design are those for more complicated websites?

[rough sapphire]

yes

github.io just gives you static pages

[lusty cedar]

If I want to make a basic but nice looking page what is a good place to get started?

Just HTML CSS and JavaScript or something like ruby

[rough sapphire]

probably just html, css and js

ruby (or python) would be more useful for making a server with the basic but nice looking page in it than for actually creating the page

[lusty cedar]

Oh ok I see

[rough sapphire]

also if your page doesn't do anything you'll probably only need html and css, but knowing js will probably be helpful at some point if you're going to be making websites

html is the basic language of webpages, css will make it look nice and js will let it do stuff

[lusty cedar]

I just want to make a projects and profile type page

What are some good frameworks I should look into

Ive tried bootstrap before but I've heard they look kind of generic?

Preferably something I can update easily

[rough sapphire]

If it's static content, you can use anything tbh.

As far as I'm concerned, I use Bulma and I love it

(mostly because it's based on flexbox)

[knotty summit]

According to the channel name

we're going to have to fight for lemon's rights in a court of law

ais don't have rights.

[tame terrace]

I do however have the right to party.

I believe.. what's the relevant case law on that again, oh yeah, I think my inalianable right to party was established in State v. Beastie Boys, 199 A. 2d 809 - 1984

[tame terrace]

👒

[knotty summit]

this is getting progressively creepy.

I lik eit

[sullen thorn]

if u have a fifo pipe on linux (so like mkfifo pipename) can multiple processes read from it at the same time?

awww :/

one of the garuantees better be a way of having multiple processes reading it

[vapid bluff]

@sullen thorn you ever checked out zeromq? or rabbitmq? or redis?

[sullen thorn]

i have something better than redis for shared memory

but zmq (and i think rmq) only run on tcp

so im guessing its inherently slower than pipes and udp stuff

[vapid bluff]

http://api.zeromq.org/master:zmq-udp

[sullen thorn]

huh whend they add that

[vapid bluff]

the copyright at the bottom says 2007-2012

so either that's out of date or it's been there a while

rabbitmq does seem to only do tcp though

whatre you using for shared memory?

[sullen thorn]

aerospike

[granite lake]

hey

[sullen thorn]

hey

[vapid bluff]

btw redis isnt just for shared memory it can do messaging too

[granite lake]

what yall chatting about

[vapid bluff]

sup

[sullen thorn]

i dont wanna confuse myself tho - id rather keep the stuff seperate

[vapid bluff]

inter process communication 😃

[granite lake]

[sullen thorn]

whats the difference between broadcast and multicast?

[granite lake]

Oh boy

[sullen thorn]

no i think ik, just wanna check

[granite lake]

Only the other day I had networking test

[sullen thorn]

lol perfect 😃

[vapid bluff]

are you referring to the zmq page?

cause i only see multicast and unicast there

[sullen thorn]

no im saying like in general whats the difference betweem udp multicast and broadcast?

[vapid bluff]

not sure. i always assumed broadcast and multicast were kind of interchangeable

maybe multicast means selectively broadcasting to a specific group of addresses?

and broadcast is like, entire network?

[sullen thorn]

oh - that would make more sense than what i thought then

[granite lake]

Broadcast: from one source to all possible destinations i.e. One-to-All Multicast: from one source to multiple destinations stating an interest in receiving the traffic i.e. One-to-Many

[vapid bluff]

https://www.esds.co.in/blog/difference-between-unicast-broadcast-and-multicast/ here we go

[granite lake]

Such easy to understand

Lol

Same site

Read my text dood

[sullen thorn]

ok see....

http://api.zeromq.org/master:zmq-udp

how does the multicast in that situation know who the many are?

or is the many just anyone signed up to that ip?

[granite lake]

Hmm

[vapid bluff]

my guess would be yes, or something along those lines

but i dont know for sure so dont listen to me 🙃

[sullen thorn]

oooh they have ipc too which seems to be piping from the description

ok imm a test both and also test manual udp multicast with sockets and manual piping

and see which ones fastest

[granite lake]

@sullen thorn You doing networking?

[sullen thorn]

kinda

never really done it before, also been scared of it, so learning it now when i need it is really fun 😃

[granite lake]

A coincidence

Everytime I move to a new level in life , the people im around always know those things too 😂

[sullen thorn]

idk those things yet lol

still learning

literally learned about piping and ipc today

if i write something to a pipe, and then read it, when i read it is it removed from the pipe?

[granite lake]

Lol

I need to be more devoted to my work

[vapid bluff]

yes doodspav i think pipes will be flushed automatically when you read them

unless you somehow access the buffers directly

keyword: i think 😛

[sullen thorn]

ok awesome (might be useful manual flushing in c++ but in python that would just be too slow for me)