#ot1-perplexing-regexing

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lilac glade
sullen thorn
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@steel fox made a pull req on your repo

steel fox
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declined.

sullen thorn
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well f u

shell blade
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you guys are totally in a bromance

sullen thorn
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not anymore, clay just broke it

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you had 2 newline characters

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not just 1

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@steel fox

steel fox
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THE JUDGE HAS SPOKEN

sullen thorn
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the judge is mistaken

granite lake
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@steel fox U know about waterfall model too

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Lol

steel fox
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fixed @sullen thorn

granite lake
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I had to tell the limitation it had and how V Model took care of it in test today

steel fox
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Also theres only 1 newline

granite lake
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@steel fox respond to me 😭

steel fox
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hello

sullen thorn
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well there is now...

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@bleak lintel i did 5, now what?

steel fox
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there hasnt been a commit

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since you opened the PR

worn kite
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amend/force push maybe?

granite lake
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@steel fox I wanted you to say sumn relating to waterfall model

sullen thorn
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wym? like they have to actually accept the pr?

steel fox
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Splash

granite lake
steel fox
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@sullen thorn im just saying there was only ever 1

sullen thorn
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hmmm

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what do i do now?

lilac glade
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They'll probably contact you in order to get your shipping info for database purposes.

bleak lintel
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you just wait doodspav

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they email out at the end of the month

sullen thorn
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oh

bleak lintel
sullen thorn
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eyy i finished before u 😃

bleak lintel
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yeah but I got 6 PRs :^)

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arguably one was me updating my fork because I don't know how to do it

sullen thorn
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hmm... i closed one of mine tho, does that count against me?

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lmao

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mine were all legit things apart from the clay edit

bleak lintel
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i don't know, probably doesn't count

sullen thorn
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they said in the details that ur allowed 1 stupid small edit, so hopefully that doesnt count against me

bleak lintel
sullen thorn
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so u did jack shit lol

bleak lintel
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what?

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no i did something, I just didn't add the tests for it

sullen thorn
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Hmmm

tame terrace
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why the hell are you guys discussing the event in ot when there's an event channel for this I WILL KILL YOU BOTH WITH FIRE

steel fox
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dont speak to our BDFL like that

bleak lintel
sullen thorn
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There’s an event channel for this?

bleak lintel
tame terrace
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we're a benevolent triumvirate. joseph holds no power over me. I will kill him if I want to.

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although I probably won't because, like, we're buds.

tired osprey
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no you just beat the shit out of him

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aperture murders peopple to death

tame terrace
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please stop quoting that, it's so old at this point

proper dune
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"I will kill [Joseph]" - lemon, 2k18

tame terrace
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my great grandma is still alive and she's 96 years old

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but that joke is older.

worn kite
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how was that stylistic device called again?

tired osprey
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which one

worn kite
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Nix, you're a good student, tell me. "Murder to death"

tired osprey
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lol i suck at stylistic devices

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i suck at languages in general

tame terrace
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it's called a tautology.

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read a book once in your life.

steel fox
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damn lemons on fire today

proper dune
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Pleonasm

tired osprey
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a tautology is an expression which is always true according to wikipedia

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so murdering to death is always true?

tame terrace
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actually I think raggy is technically correct that it's more of a pleonasm

steel fox
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the saying of the same thing twice in different words, generally considered to be a fault of style (e.g., they arrived one after the other in succession )

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is a tautology

proper dune
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleonasm

Pleonasm

Pleonasm (; from Ancient Greek πλεονασμός, pleonasmós, from πλέον, pleon, meaning 'more; too much') is the use of more words or parts of words than are necessary or sufficient for clear expression: for example black darkness or burning fire. Such redundancy ...

worn kite
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I learned all this shit by heart a few years ago, but it wasn'T useful for anything

tired osprey
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can confirm

proper dune
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I hate studying literature with the passion of a burning fire

tired osprey
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i hate old german literature in general

worn kite
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There's good and bad stuff, and analyzing why something written in a specific way has a certain effect and what the author might be expressing with that is fine, but if it gets overdone, like in schools, it drains all the joy of reading

tired osprey
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if you cant understand the logical part of the text because the author wrote in some ancient accent there is no joy in reading at all

tame terrace
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I would argue that "murdered to death" is probably both tautological and pleonasmic

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I also feel like maybe some of you glossed over that Raggy just used "burning fire" to illustrate a pleonasm

sullen thorn
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U guys lost me way before that

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I got a B in English, not A*

bleak lintel
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so elixir is being weird

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why do my first function calls in both sessions take a long time

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but then the rest are normal speed

sand goblet
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erlang vm not so fast?

worn kite
bleak lintel
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I think it is some sort of lazy loading @sand goblet

sand goblet
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you mean like a JIT?

bleak lintel
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the first time a module is loaded I assume that the beam file is not copied into memory

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I don't think it would be JIT, because BEAM files are generated whenever I run the application

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so I assume that it is the overhead added by loading the beam file

tired osprey
worn kite
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system ducks? 🦆 🤔

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urgh, can't read

tame terrace
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hahaha

stark prawn
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Systemd our lord and savior

tame terrace
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I am fucking with systemd right now

sand goblet
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I like systemd

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Feels like I'm the only one sometimes

tame terrace
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I love full stack but the worst part is changing prod server config in the middle of the night because you can't risk downtime

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full stack minus the ops would be nice.

sand goblet
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In prod I just have salt manage the services

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Since it knows how to systemd

tame terrace
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yeah yeah in your utopian home setup

sand goblet
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Oh, no, I have clients

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Haha

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Well, "clients", more like "people I host for"

bleak lintel
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systemd is not nice sometimes

tame terrace
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yes. but you have not inherited 29 servers and 1.8 million lines of legacy code.

bleak lintel
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but othertimes it is tolerable

sand goblet
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This is true

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What lemon said is true I mean

tame terrace
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haha

sand goblet
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:P

tame terrace
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the other thing was BULLSHIT

sand goblet
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Haha

tame terrace
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I don't mind systemd for managing services

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but I don't even know how 80% of the other stuff it can do works

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it's so fucking vast, it's basically an operating system unto itself

sand goblet
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Yeah, it does do an awful lot of stuff

bleak lintel
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I hate systemd logs

stark prawn
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It's slowly replacing the kernel

sand goblet
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Oh I love the journal

tame terrace
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haha

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yeah grote

bleak lintel
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I want people to use /var/log again

sand goblet
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Fuck syslogs

tame terrace
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you're not wrong

bleak lintel
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it's so fantastic

tame terrace
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hey, we use /var/log

bleak lintel
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top man

sand goblet
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The journal is far more convenient when you know what you're doing

bleak lintel
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and I don't

tame terrace
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whatever people did in the early 2000s, that's the thing that we do

bleak lintel
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haha

sand goblet
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So learn

tame terrace
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xml based templating language? you betcha.

stark prawn
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journalctl pretty useful

sand goblet
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Love me some journal

bleak lintel
tame terrace
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we've got a flask app where instead of having a single app serve multiple clients (the only difference is which collection to load in mongo), we just have copypaste and symlinks for every new client.

sand goblet
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Yeesh

tame terrace
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so it's the same flask app - but we make a folder with everything symlinked to a shared folder except config.py

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which basically contains the name of the mongo collection :D

bleak lintel
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lol rip

tame terrace
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and then I have to create systemd services, nginx config, logs, sockets, ..

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fucking 2 hour job

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it's so dumb

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I mean who the fuck does this on purpose.

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but now there are so many god damn clients that redoing it would take days. and I'm not allowed to spend days on that :(

sand goblet
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SURPRISE COMMIT

tame terrace
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so much hardcoded bullshit references to those folders, too. like I have to update 8 shell scripts (mostly cron jobs) to get it to work

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and there's zero documentation that says which files are involved

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so it's just trial and error

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there is documentation

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it just says nothing of any use

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I read all 30 pages

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that guy is a real wordsmith

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I don't know how you can write 30 pages without saying a single god damn thing

stark prawn
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Ask any college student

sand goblet
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Any economics major will tell you

tame terrace
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yes I get it school sucks

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good joke

bleak lintel
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lmao

sour shale
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👌

indigo flicker
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random thing

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tmux is a blessing

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that is all

slate quail
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truth

indigo flicker
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have another emoji face

slate quail
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good heavens

granite lake
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lol

glass gorge
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Is Phoenix as "hood-y" as animal cops present it as?

robust sierra
knotty summit
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what is this

rough sapphire
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you guys play cs?

sullen thorn
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It’s lemon

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Uhh I have it... u don’t really play

knotty summit
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@sullen thorn but why

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crazies

sullen thorn
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Lol cuz it’s awesome

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And cuz we can

glass gorge
robust sierra
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i got the nick because of hiphopify

rough sapphire
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anyone else running a gt 710?

sour shale
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no

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I use RX460

rough sapphire
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we all know the gt 210 is the ultimate video card

tame terrace
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is shitposting like the only reason you're here or what's your deal

sour shale
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🔨 furious_lemon

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you angered the juicy lemon

robust sierra
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i havent seen lemons ban hammer in a long time

tired osprey
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last ban wasnt even in this month

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at least by lemon

sour shale
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lemon will ban all of us

tired osprey
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!ban @everyone

tame terrace
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this month is still young

rain spindle
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!ban everyone we don't exist here

robust sierra
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forget about bans

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when was the last time someone got hiphopified?

rain spindle
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Lmao good point

robust sierra
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rest in potatoe hiphopify

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you ruined my life by calling me imran.

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duck you @royal lake

tame terrace
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your hiphopify expired months ago

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you could change your nickname at any time

sour shale
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LOL WTF

robust sierra
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but joph keeps calling me Imran

royal tartan
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@tame terrace thx for informing me about moses sumney, its amazing

tame terrace
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@royal tartan no problem. yeah I love that dude it's like a blend between lianna la havas aesthetics and james blake vocals. very subtle and kinda ethereal.

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if you don't know one of those they might be worth a look btw.

steel fox
sour shale
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lol

glass gorge
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lmao

rough sapphire
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lol

steel fox
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ok so

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my git is acting really weird right now

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anyone mind helping

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clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git status
On branch AdminOperations
Your branch and 'origin/AdminOperations' have diverged,
and have 1 and 1 different commits each, respectively.
  (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)

nothing to commit, working tree clean
clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git pull
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
    CS-499-Project/CS-499-Project.csproj
Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge.
Aborting
clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git commit -m "reee"
On branch AdminOperations
Your branch and 'origin/AdminOperations' have diverged,
and have 1 and 1 different commits each, respectively.
  (use "git pull" to merge the remote branch into yours)

nothing to commit, working tree clean
clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git pull
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
    CS-499-Project/CS-499-Project.csproj
Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge.
Aborting
sour shale
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Rip

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Use arch

steel fox
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idk how to resync this

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clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git pull origin AdminOperations
From https://github.com/CS-499-Bank-Managment/main
 * branch            AdminOperations -> FETCH_HEAD
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
    CS-499-Project/CS-499-Project.csproj
Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge.
Aborting
clays-MacBook-Air:CS-499-Project clayturner$ git stash
No local changes to save
rain spindle
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@steel fox I just have to restart

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:/

steel fox
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got it

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had to git rm the file

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and just pull

knotty summit
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@steel fox I highly, highly, highly doubt any kid knows what tensorflow is

steel fox
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its a dank maymay

knotty summit
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maybe if you took a class full of computer science volunteers

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like, "anyone that's into machine learning or AI, come here"

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shoots @steel fox for the improper pronounciation.

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shoots him them again to be sure.

steel fox
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that's abuse

knotty summit
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can you abuse the willing?

steel fox
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hmm

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I need a good grad quote

worn kite
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OrderedSet was there for quite some time, no?

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Haven't heard about the others yet, or needed them.

sullen thorn
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theres a limit?

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oh you set the limit

stark prawn
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The idea of an ordered set seems foreign to me, what would you use that for

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It's more like a list of unique values than that it's a set

worn kite
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like an OrderedDict, just without keys

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it preserves the insertion order when you iterate over the items

sullen thorn
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hmm i might actually have a use for orderedSets

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so ty 😃

stark prawn
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Took a quick glance at them, but didn't notice if they actually had set methods

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Union, intersection, compliment etc?

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So it's really just a list

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How would you decide in the new order though

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a intersect b would normally equal b intersect a, but if there's order I'm not sure

sullen thorn
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def sort_key(self, ord_set):
    def key(tup):
        return (len(ord_set.intersection(tup[1])), len(tup[1]))
    return key
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this is the only intersection i have, and i have no idea what it does lol

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do ppl use intersection a lot?

stark prawn
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It gets all the elements that aren't in both sets

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{1,2} ^ {2,3} = {1,3}

sullen thorn
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oh

gentle moss
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Oh my god that's exhaustive

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Well, at least you're maintaining exhaustiveness

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If that's your own code doing whatever that is doing

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yes.

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from exhaustiveness import exhaustion

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is it case specific?

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like it only apples to your thing?

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applies

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I guess that's fair to call it that thing

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I think your code is doing things more complicated than I do, so i think you have every right to call it what you want

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aw

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thanks but you can keep it

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i just said words, you can keep the name

sand goblet
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Oh man

gentle moss
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not a surprised

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1st comment best

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"Come back here horse!"

sand goblet
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Haha

gentle moss
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Ahhh lovely

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We're getting bounce backs through Office 365 because of a misconfigured PTR

tired osprey
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*wants to go Google PTR so nobody tells him to Google it

Realized somebody cough Bisk cough used up his mobile data so he can't do that

What's PTR

gentle moss
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basically rDNS lookup

tired osprey
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And why do people say PTR then

gentle moss
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Pointer record

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it's the name of the record in DNS

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It basically proves that an IP address is used with a domain

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e.g. mail server

worn kite
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so you can spend data to Discord, but not to Google DuckDuckGo?

gentle moss
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except we can't write a PTR record for Microsofts domains

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duuuuh

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I wasted all his data with a snapchat video session 👌

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i was cooking steak in a fun way

tired osprey
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Once I connected to discord I don't need much data

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But for a Google / duck duck go search I need like two minutes

worn kite
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spams gifs to entertain Nix

gentle moss
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to be fair

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my steak cooking thing was quite fun

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MAGIC SALT

tired osprey
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goes offline because his useless two mid day free lessons are about to end

gentle moss
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clay knows what's up with magic salt

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👌

tired osprey
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I didn't even watch your videos because of that mobile data thing

gentle moss
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smh

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they were good man

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everyone enjoyed them

tired osprey
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I could not watch them

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I was not able to

gentle moss
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get some wifi

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if you didn't watch them they're still there

tired osprey
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My wifi interrupts like all 20 seconds for 5-30 seconds

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It is fucking awful

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Now where I have the good internet it doesn't get up to me

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Help me get gud WiFi Bisk then I'll watch your videos

gentle moss
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I'm just going to say no because it's easier

tired osprey
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Either that or I'll move my room in the basement and live the classic programmer cliché

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Because in the basement I have ethernet

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Maybe I can get like a very long ethernet cable which goes from basement to first floor

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Do people solder Ethernet cables together?

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Is that a thing?

gentle moss
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ermm

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i mean i've done it

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but it's not a normal thing

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the easier thing is to just buy like... the length of cat5e you need and crimp your own length

glass gorge
sand goblet
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that's a show I think

glass gorge
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ᶦ ᵏⁿᵒʷ

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But i felt like being edgy

gentle moss
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Don't edge yourself off a cliff now

rough sapphire
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not yet chibli

gentle moss
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i'm so fond of the guitar sound in the intro

tame terrace
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good god damn that show is excellent

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imo it's better than breaking bad

gentle moss
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yes

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miles better

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the cinematography is beautiful

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and those montages

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ooooh those montages

tame terrace
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they're both pretty good. but breaking bad has skyler (?)

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classic shit character

gentle moss
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i felt like some of the pacing was weird in breaking bad

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especially in the later seasons

tame terrace
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skyler was inconsistent, annoying, and constantly cockblocking the plot from progressing

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that's a shitty way to write shows.

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weeds suffered the same problem, except in that show it was the lead character holding herself back

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another trope. the character who keeps screwing everything up for themselves even though it's totally out of character to do so.

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like I get that these shows need some resistance or they'll be boring but it's really important that that resistance feels organic or it just falls apart.

gentle moss
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Little boxes

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yeah, i got bored of weeds

tame terrace
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saul is the best though, he's deeply flawed but never really doing anything that's wildly out of character.

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and the plot keeps flying forward, it's so satisfying

gentle moss
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i've gotta go install some computers in the palace of stone

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bbl

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(they literally sell shitloads of stone, that's all they do)

tame terrace
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yeah you have fun with that

viral parrot
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so i should watch better call soul?

rough sapphire
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Guys does anybody know wpgtk tool

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Does it generate a gtk theme in function of an image that you parse to it

gentle moss
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yeah definitely @viral parrot

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even if you haven't seen Breaking Bad

viral parrot
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I have seen it and the pilot episode of saul.

gentle moss
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so much for installing the computers

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whole place is still under construction :D

sour shale
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install building first

gentle moss
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then from building import electricity

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they've had to set up a generator for me to get all the software installs done

sour shale
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literally horsepower

glass gorge
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From discord bot Lists discord

rough sapphire
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🤔

placid hound
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One huge problem with my headphones are the sound leakage

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Anything relatively high leaks

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And I love high volume

sour shale
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Hmm ye

placid hound
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Anyone know a good headphone around the 300-400 dollar range in which has barely any leakage?

knotty summit
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@placid hound what do you mean "leakage" ?

placid hound
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Sound bleeding

knotty summit
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meaning?

placid hound
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For example. I'm by you and you can hear my music

sour shale
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you need closed-cup not open-cup

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ur buying the wrong type probably

placid hound
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I have the Sony CH700

knotty summit
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@placid hound don't spend > $200 on headphones, any that cost that much are a fucking scam.

sour shale
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wut no
high end heaphones aren't a scam

placid hound
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Beats is a scam

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But not them as a whole

knotty summit
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@sour shale yes, they are.

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@placid hound http://a.co/d/bYnLK0a
These are probably not what you want, but what I typically like to suggest for quality.

sour shale
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how is it a scam
you pay more money for a higer quality product
that's the opposite of a scam

placid hound
knotty summit
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@sour shale Yeah, that's what corporations want you to think. Money == Quality, which is horseshit.

sour shale
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I've heard for myself though

placid hound
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They're 350 dollars

knotty summit
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@sour shale Placebo.

sour shale
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no WTF

placid hound
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What

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Money does equal quality

sour shale
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they literally have higher quality parts
and sound far better

placid hound
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You can't pull quality for free

knotty summit
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@sour shale That's not how it works. Even if it did, there's diminishing returns.

sour shale
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yes that is how it works
Sennheiser HD 800 have better parts than $200 earphones and they sound far better

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is this another crazy conspiracy...

sand goblet
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yeah that is how it works

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you just can't hear them Clueless

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they're no good for some people because not everyone can tell the difference

knotty summit
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@sour shale If I can connect my sound analyzer to headphones, and I cannot even measure a difference in sound quality and frequency response with computer equipment, there's no way in fuck your human ears will distinguish..

sand goblet
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but if you're a sound engineer or an audiophile, you can tell

knotty summit
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I am a bit of an audiophile.

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and it's all largely bullshit.

sour shale
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you can definitely see a difference in frequency response using a computer
review sites literally publish frequency response curves that show the difference

sand goblet
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yeah, sennheiser are kind of famous for being excellent

knotty summit
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What matters is lossless encodings for preventing degradation of data. Baseline AMPs that don't add noise and a proper DAC, and decent drivers, and you're all set.

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You cannot do better.

sand goblet
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I like those headphones that do simulated surround with like 7 speakers on each side

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holy shit do they cost money though

knotty summit
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and of course, high quality recording.

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@sand goblet 😦 Surround sound headphones are a scam.

placid hound
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What's the greatest headphone I can get for 300-400 dollars

sand goblet
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dude you think everything is a scam

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:P

knotty summit
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your ears are stereo, proper recording can provide surround sound without having directional speakers.

sour shale
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what you said about frequency response is just false though
frequency response charts show that many cheaper headphones have worse frequency responses

sand goblet
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ears are a lot more complicated than mics

knotty summit
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sure, they generally do, but you can still get good ones for cheap.

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again, companies want to charge you more.

placid hound
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Yes. But you can get ones way better that are expensive

sour shale
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I don't think you can match a Sennheiser HD800 for cheap

sand goblet
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I'd be surprised too

knotty summit
placid hound
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Should I save for an HD800 @sour shale

sand goblet
#

yes, using literally ear-shaped mics

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nobody records music like that though

sour shale
#

@placid hound depends on your financial situation
cos that's a lot of money
I can't advise you on spending 😄

placid hound
#

I make 8 dollars being a sandwich artist

knotty summit
#

Plus, I have senheissers and sony. I prefer the sony.

placid hound
#

Sony is good

knotty summit
sour shale
#

some people don't like senheisser's signature frequency response

knotty summit
#

shitty noise, but some directional

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^ (my link)

#

@sour shale
What's more, is that as you wear your headphones, the drivers and diaphram will heat up and provide a different response.

#

used to calibrate movie theaters with microphones and sound analyzers.

sour shale
#

no burn-in is a myth

#

it's never actually been proven

knotty summit
#

... plastic becomes brittle with cold temperatures..

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that changes how it flexes.

sour shale
#

this has never been proven to effect the sound significantly

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it's just a myth

placid hound
#

Should I get

knotty summit
#

Long story short, the only reason things should cost a fortune, is if the company has hired physicists to model how temperature, sound are affected by the mechanical engineering. How the different materials and design affects the resulting sound. That's a shitload of research that would go into producing "high quality" parts.
Unless they've done that, the parts they manufacture are just your typical chinese horse shit as always.

sour shale
#

Hifiman are quite good, ye @placid hound
I have their RE-400 and RE-Zero in ears

#

that's an okay choice

#

@knotty summit I mean you're just ignoring the evidence that high end headphones have better frequency response
there are tons of reviews that show their superior frequency response curves

knotty summit
#

honestly, I don't know enough how audio engineering.
I'm a bit of an audio snob, but I'm not familiar with much more than basic bandwidth, sample rate, and DAC/ADC and power low level stuff.

placid hound
knotty summit
#

@sour shale Okay, but even if they do have a better response, there's a limit to what you can distinguish.

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I'm not convinced you can even tell the difference.

sour shale
#

there is a limit
but HD-800 is definitely below the limit

knotty summit
#

I can be wrong, but I highly doubt you

sour shale
#

well you aren't basing that on anything
you are just guessing...

knotty summit
#

Basically, as long as your headphones aren't a specifically shitty driver / design, I don't think you can tell the difference without equipment to measure things.

sour shale
#

have you actually tried a HD-800?
🤔

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it's a really big difference

#

like, it's not even subtle

placid hound
#

If price doesn't equal quality I'll cop some dollar earbuds at the dollar store

knotty summit
#

@placid hound that's bottom of the barrel chinese shit with not QA, that's going to end in tears.

placid hound
#

The fuckin Chinese

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Making headphones for a penny an hour

knotty summit
#

@sour shale I want to take my highest quality audio and my favorite depth music and listen to it on the highest quality headphones.
I live in Seattle and I imagine businesses are nearby. If you can find me a place that demos something, I will go there and test them out.

sour shale
#

okay what I suggest is
try a Senn HD 598, and then compare to a HD 800

#

this should be a decent comparison

knotty summit
#

I'm going to take my sonys.
I'll listen to multiple test frequencies/tones, and my favorite music on the different headphones and I will take notes.

#

@sour shale if I'm wrong, I'll come back here and tell you both and show you my notes. 😉

sour shale
# 
1.5 mi
530 Westlake Ave.
98109-4303 Seattle ```has them apparently
knotty summit
#

if I'm not, I'll come back and show you my notes.

sour shale
#

okay

placid hound
knotty summit
#

@sour shale Right down the street. 😃

sour shale
#

ye its best to try in real world
see what you think

placid hound
#

@sour shale yay or nay?

#

They look nice

sour shale
#

I don't recommend Sennheiser HD1
either go for HD 598, 600, 650, 700 or 800

knotty summit
#

What time does Guitar Center open?

#

looks

#

@placid hound I'm going to try a bunch of headphones today, I'll take notes if you want.
so far I know you want quality, and no sound leakage.

#

anything else you want? wireless, portability?

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10 AM. So in several hours, I'm going up to do this. 😃

sour shale
#

nice 😄

placid hound
#

@knotty summit wireless is preferable

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But I can work with wired

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Doesn't need to be really portable. Just hanging them around my neck gets the job done

knotty summit
#

@sour shale
I'm not going to rely on youtube, I don't have any verified high fidelity music files. can you help me find some sources?

placid hound
#

Its funny how much goes into headphones

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People just get beats and call it a day

#

There's much more to it yes?

sour shale
knotty summit
#

I have a dedicated FLAC library, but that doesn't mean they're recorded well. 😛

rough sapphire
#

oh, electro swing 😃

knotty summit
#

@rough sapphire seeing them in person in colorado was amazing.

placid hound
#

Can someone get me the song "Goosebumps" in FLAC

#

I have it in mp3

knotty summit
#

I haven't seen that movie

#

oh, I'm thinking Ghost Busters

placid hound
#

By Travis scott

granite lake
#

@placid hound what happens if I run you?

placid hound
#

@granite lake you get Roblox aimbot

#

Call of Robloxia Infinite warfare has never been so easy

rough sapphire
#

Robtnite.

placid hound
#

Does Roblox have Fortnite?

sour shale
#

Kinda ye

#

There's battle royale in roblox

sand goblet
#

It's roblox, it's an original game with no original content

#

Haha

granite lake
#

Lol

gentle moss
#

urrrrrrgggggg

#

urge to murder

gentle dragon
#

Lua is very weird

steel fox
#

Yes

gentle moss
#

hey @sand goblet

#

walkers have actually started an anti-littering campaign after the crisps in the postbox thing

#

you can just put the crisp packet in an envelope and freepost it to somewhere

#

:D

sand goblet
#

Hahaha

#

Nice

tame pier
granite lake
#

I find this funny

#

😂

tame pier
#

Social Engineering 101

#

Now, what do you do when they said "but shouldn't you know the admin credentials?"

gentle moss
#

Most ISP's have control through TR-69 or w/e now

#

i mean that should've been an option for ages, but now they're using it more

#

in the past 5-10 years

tame pier
#

Well, doesn't matter here

#

The end user doesn't know that

gentle moss
#

True enough

#

I wish I got called by people trying to social engineer me

#

All I ever get is sales people

wooden kindle
#

Sounds kinky

steel fox
#

I don’t answer my phone

lament quiver
#

why

steel fox
#

Why would I. Texting exists

tulip palm
tame terrace
#

why wouldn't you.

tulip palm
#

i very rarely pick up calls unless it's like really important, cause talking to people is hard when i can't see them lmao

tame terrace
#

I find you both infuriating because I hate it when people don't pick up and I fucking know they're there.

#

look man, I'm calling you because I have like eight things to ask and I don't wanna type eight things

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fuck you for making me type eight things

tulip palm
#

if you text me in advance then sure

#

but a random call, nah

tame terrace
#

yeah I'll just text your secretary and make an appointment.

#

you bigwig

tulip palm
#

lmao

sullen thorn
#

i hate talking on the phone

tulip palm
#

i get fucking nervous when someone starts calling me without warning ok so shut yourself yert

sullen thorn
#

its not fun

steel fox
#

@tame terrace please do. I can give you my secretaries number if you’d like to schedule a conference call

lament quiver
#

why would you text if you can call

tulip palm
#

i don't know english so my secretary shall introduce you to my translator

steel fox
#

Why would you call when you can avoid social interaction

tulip palm
#

i need to give myself at least a minute of mental preparation before calling people, i just don't like it :D

rough sapphire
#

Guys im using vivaldi web browser

#

And i themed it a bit

#

And you know when you right click on a web page you get that menu with copy paste refresh etc right? My probldm is that this right click menu doesn't look likd my vivaldi theme at all. It seems to depend from something else? Anybody see what I mean?

rough sapphire
#

I never pick up because the person on the other end never shuts up

#

So what ends up happening is me ending the call midway through what they’re saying because I can’t be bothered what they have to say

#

Whether or not it’s good or bad

tame terrace
#

but

#

who are these people calling you

#

for what reason are they calling you

rough sapphire
#

Family friends and about whatever

#

If it’s about something stupid I end the call quick

#

If it’s about something important maybe I’ll have a bit more tolerance

#

But what usually happens is they keep saying the same thing over and over just phrased differently

#

Or take super long to explain one thing

tame terrace
#

I just say "oh shit I gotta go be a dad now" when that kind of thing happens

#

the ultimate excuse

rough sapphire
#

It’s just like

#

Person on the phone: says a bunch of shit I’m not paying attention to

#

Me: ok

#

Person on the phone: says more shit which is mainly just what they already said

#

Me: ok

#

Person on the phone: does it again

#

Me: hangs up with no notice

#

But yeah I guess if it’s something interesting slash important I have tolerance but it’s also like

#

I don’t want to be on the phone for 5 hours

#

One of my friends does something similar except they’re super savage and say “sorry you’re boring me bye”

#

Or pretend they’re losing reception

#

But yeah of course there’s always a reason for picking up your phone depends on the situation

#

It’s just me since I have a super low attention span

sour shale
#

Say bye bye

#

Before u hang up

rough sapphire
#

I used to bro

#

Well I do say it but only if the person and I both finish what we’re saying

#

If it’s midway through the other persons thought I used to say it but I just cbf anymore

#

Because I’d say “ok bye now” and they’d still keep talking

sour shale
#

its nice to say bye

steel fox
#

My ex grill used to want to talk like 6 hours a day on the phone. Biggest turn off ever.

tame pier
#

Skype is better

granite lake
#

skype is bloat

tame pier
#

Actually, no, you're bloat Jason

granite lake
#

lol

knotty summit
#

Yeah, don't presume to call me unless I like you.

candid anvil
#

skype is trash, basically since MS purchase.

knotty summit
#

it's also malware, in that it now has built int advertisements to the Windows OS.

gentle moss
#

it's not malware though really is it

#

all you're saying is that they've got adverts

candid anvil
#

junkware

knotty summit
#

@gentle moss
Advertising IS malware.

  1. unwanted.
  2. intrusive.
  3. manipulative.
  4. You have no choice, it comes in your OS.
  5. its a security risk
  6. you can't remove it
#

It's absolutely malware

#

it's there without your permission

gentle moss
#

That's not what i'd call malware

#

adware perhaps

knotty summit
#

adware is a form of malware.

#

wtf

gentle moss
#

What? No.

knotty summit
#

Did you put it there?
Did it install itself?
Can you remove it?
Is it suspect code?
Is it malicious?

gentle moss
#

I guess it depends on what you define malicious as

#

Also if you installed skype it didn't install itself

#

you agreed to it

knotty summit
#

how is forced manipulation, screen time, installed without permission, not malicious?

robust sierra
#

adware != malware

knotty summit
#

Sure, if you were given the choice to install it, it's just advertising software

#

it becomes malware when it prevents you from having a choice.

#

and does things that are manipulative

gentle moss
#

If you don't want the adverts that they bundle into their shit

#

don't install their shit

#

use something else

candid anvil
#

i mean it's spying the fuck out of everything

knotty summit
#

that's another form of malware

gentle moss
#

Telemetry is fucking everywhere

#

While it's not that cool, people want feedback on what people are doing with their software so they can "improve" it

candid anvil
#

yeah but skype and ms hold the bar for how crazy telemetry goes

gentle moss
#

i put that in quotes because Microsoft has never improved skype

#

ever.

#

it's a fucking tyre fire of a piece of software

#

but it's not malware :P

candid anvil
#

telemetry is just a euphemism for data harvesting

knotty summit
#

it is if it's preinstalled without permission, and cannot be removed.

gentle moss
#

i guess you didn't read the agreement before clicking okay

knotty summit
#

and especially if it does underhanded things without your knowledge.

#

@gentle moss I paid for the softwrae already.

#

Those agreements are coerced.

candid anvil
#

yeah it's still a user's choice. i agree with that.

knotty summit
#

You can't force someone to sign a contract or agree to terms, AFTER they have bought the software.

#

it's not valid.

candid anvil
#

poor folks using skype, they have no idea how good it used to be

#

skype was for purchase at some point?

#

just credit bs i thought

gentle moss
#

Yes, microsoft purchased it

candid anvil
#

ah i misunderstood him

gentle moss
#

Some other company built a brilliant p2p chat platform

#

and microsoft went

#

"what if we remove the p2p element and run everything through servers?"

candid anvil
#

p2p was a huge problem

gentle moss
#

"but isn't that the main point of skype? the p2p?"

#

"yes, but it'll be okay"

#

Skype's P2P could have some weird friction with netsplits and the like

#

but for the most part it was more reliable than skype is now

candid anvil
#

ehh reliability is not the problem in modern skype. it's everything else, basically.

gentle moss
#

I found the reliability to be poor, but the bloat doesn't help

candid anvil
#

the bloat is abysmal

#

hideous

gentle moss
#

But i digress

#

Telemetry is fine

robust sierra
#

what did u work as again bisk?

gentle moss
#

Discord collects telem

#

sys / network admin

candid anvil
#

yeah

knotty summit
#

I love how every company glosses over that.
"You signed ouur agreement by installing"
bitch, I already paid for this software, you cannot demand I give you anything else to use it.

#

@gentle moss depends on the telemetry

gentle moss
#

Also, you paid for skype before downloading and installing it for free?

#

That's a weird argument man

candid anvil
#

clueless that is not how it works legally

knotty summit
#

So, when you sell things, you describe what it does, what it's FOR

#

if you do other things, its fraud

gentle moss
#

lol

candid anvil
#

you never bought 'skype' man

knotty summit
#

if skype is sold as "we help you chat with your friends" it's completely fraud to record conversations in the background.

#

on top of wiretapping laws

candid anvil
#

nah it's not fraud. it's all in the fine text

knotty summit
#

which is obviously meant to hide from the user

#

again, not legal or enforcable

#

you point to "super fine text" in a contract that's riduclous and a judge will throw you the hell out.

candid anvil
#

the user is not doing their due diligence then. it can't be called fraud because they were ignorant in the details of what they agreed to

gentle moss
#

yeaaaaah

#

the annoying part about EULA's is that they've not really been challenged in court

candid anvil
#

challenged how

knotty summit
#

ALSO, most countries consider "good faith" in a contract

#

even if it's all well and clear, there's usury laws, and if it's in bad faith, it still isn't necessary legal

candid anvil
#

to have that good faith bs will make it worse

#

purposely vague

gentle moss
#

yes, they're collecting that user data in bad faith as a way to try and help improve their services for users

#

OR they clearly state in the terms of service that they'll collect and sell to 3rd parties

candid anvil
#

the dev/company can and should decide what they expect users to agree to

gentle moss
#

which in th EU, thanks to GDPR, they have to highlight

#

in the circumstances that really matter anyway

candid anvil
#

bad faith is subjective

knotty summit
#

but wait, there's more!
Children cannot accept binding contracts.
Even if you inform people you sell to 3rd parties, there are wiretapping laws that require that both parties know they're being recorded.

gentle moss
#

they're not being recorded

candid anvil
#

yeah they are

#

children cannot use the software then, if they can't accept binding contracts and it is indeed one

knotty summit
#

They paid for the software already, of course they can use it.

#

the contract just isn't legal.

candid anvil
#

makes no sense

#

if contract isn't legal, don't agree to it

knotty summit
#

You cannot legally be prevented from using the product/service you already paid for

candid anvil
#

if they change it, don't use it if you don't like the new terms

knotty summit
#

that's not how it works.

candid anvil
#

pls tell how people paid for skype

#

you mean credit?

gentle moss
#

Gotta have a user account before you can buy skype

#

annnnnnd

#

that requires you be able to agree to terms

#

if you're under the age required by skype (i believe 13) you should't be doing that

candid anvil
#

clueless if you were correct in the legal stuff, MS would be free ATM for people to sue

knotty summit
#

SWEET, so you've added on 50+ more pages of legal jargon that children aren't binded to

#

and are obscured

candid anvil
#

law has to be rigid and defined this way and that for a reason. children should be banned from skype then, right? lets be pragmatic about this

knotty summit
#

the same way people have treated me as "entitled", this entire conversation is about how companies try to trick you and feel entitled to try to hold you to bad faith contracts

candid anvil
#

you feel entitled to use skype without respecting what is agreed to in the fine print

#

don't you see both sides here?

knotty summit
#

It was advertised as one thing, it's doing another thing

#

that's fraud

candid anvil
#

so sue

knotty summit
#

that's both sides.

candid anvil
#

free money

knotty summit
#

I don't have the money to sue.

candid anvil
#

if your case is good enough, lawyers will still take it...

#

but it's not

#

lawyer's will laugh at you

knotty summit
#

relying on the state to protect me is a long, hard, arduous process, not to mention if corporations have bought the state, then you're fighting to lose.

#

they'll laugh at you because it's unbalanced completely against you

#

It's really simple.
Don't do shit you didn't advertise as your product.
Be up front about what it does any why.

candid anvil
#

the 'state' is the one who has failed to uphold their ultimate duty of law and justice when they crony and sleep with all the companies offering big gov 'employees'

knotty summit
#

"Basic Video Conferencing Functions"
"We collect purely anonymous statistical data"

#

vs, "oh, we reord who you are and who you talk to"

candid anvil
#

NSA doesnt?

#

who you think started this shit show, the government

#

like wtf/

knotty summit
#

Oh sure. My point is that all this bogus "contract law" and "terms of service" or "agreements" people act like you should respect with various companies, is all bogus.
These companies are purely machines made to collect/hoard control, power, and money.

candid anvil
#

they are by far the worst offender of mass surveillance.

#

why is government different @knotty summit

#

they don't do what you mentioned?

knotty summit
#

@candid anvil the premise of government is to represent a nation's people. It's not merely a collection of power, it has a purpose.

candid anvil
#

"collect/hoard control, power, and money", hah go to washington lol. you have no idea

#

sure, a purpose

#

means nothing

#

only actions speak in this context

#

intentions != results

knotty summit
#

you're basically preaching to me that I have no social obligation to follow the law.

#

(and I agree)

candid anvil
#

i'm just saying the gov is not the good guy you think here, and all big bad corps ruining it all

knotty summit
#

Oh, not at all. I don't think the government is the good guy.

candid anvil
#

they are the worst here

knotty summit
#

People are fucking stupid, and the government is made of people, so.

candid anvil
#

they aren't stupid, they just don't care for virtue or morality.

#

thinking they are stupid is exactly what they want you to think

#

instead of malicious

knotty summit
#

I'm stupid often myself.
50% of people are below average intelligence.
and most people have varying interests, so even if you have 50% smart people, it might only be like 10% that care to do things right.

#

think of it like filtering a population.

candid anvil
#

well moot point man

#

i mean yeah, we aren't all made equally.

knotty summit
#

"smart" "good" "law" "experience" "interest", 7 billion quickly filters down to like, a dozen.

candid anvil
#

all subjective except for law, mostly.

knotty summit
#

well, my intention isn't to just bitch in the wind. How do you think we can be produtive?

#

How can we set good example, precedent, be involved?

#

Perhaps we can make good free software. Set the baselin expectation of what good software looks like. 😃

candid anvil
#

in what software?

#

open source

#

no telemetry

#

code for free, if you are so much focused on being 'good' or whatever

#

and ofc hold gov accountable for their actions and fuckups but that's well beyond one person's effort, or even thousands

knotty summit
#

I do. 😃

#

I'm working on lots of things.

candid anvil
#

nice

knotty summit
#

one reason I'm hre is that I need to improve certain skills to be more effective.

candid anvil
#

yeah, kind of implied tho man

runic quarry
#

Ahm

lusty ice
#

It's more about not letting the wrong people than finding the right people

tame pier
knotty summit
#

and removes bonuses, other pay stuff and similar

#

but definitely an improvement

tame pier
#

The comments are always enlightening

#

Apparently Bernie introduced a new law "Stop BEZOS"

bleak lintel
#

Did anyone see the Amazon anti-union video for supervisors?

tame pier
#

No

steel fox
#

Probably the same every company shows

sullen thorn
buoyant pendant
#

I am 50% german

sullen thorn
#

wrong channel

vapid bluff
#

that cant be real

sullen thorn
#

thats from the video?

vapid bluff
#

that's so cartoonishly evil i have a hard time believing it's real

sullen thorn
#

T.I.P.S. are the tactics Amazon advises management not to use, according to the video. (Screenshot: Amazon training video, Amazon)

#

ok that makes more sense tho

vapid bluff
#

oh phew

#

lmao

sullen thorn
#

lol was worried there - i rarely actually look at the article, but in this case i figured i should

knotty summit
#

@sullen thorn do they explicitly explain those tactics, then just tell them not to use it?

sullen thorn
#

idk, i watched a different part of the video

#

thats just a screenshot the article had

tame pier
sullen thorn
#

f u

granite lake
#

lol

granite lake
#

Somewhere along in a database lecture slide

tame pier
#

They're not wrong

#

DBAs are among the highest paid, if not the highest paid, specialties in tech

steel fox
#

Next to my job anyways

tame pier
#

🙄

rough sapphire
#

Bought little notebook with AMD A-350.

#

Aspire 5250.

#

With a new battery this little fella was able to stay up and running for 6 hours decoding x264 720p videos.

#

I am proud of him.

#

But there's a problem.

#

He barely can get his hold on web surfing.

#

Even Firefox squeezes all the juices out of him.

#

Lynx works fine. But I am not really used to it.

#

Midori crashes all the time.

#

Do any of you guys knows what browser I can make to work with this little guy?

tame pier
#

Internet Explorer

#

But actually, maybe Opera lite?

rough sapphire
#

Linux.

#

Firefox is not that heavier than Opera.

#

And Opera as I've heard is a some sort of Chrome mod or smh.

tame pier
#

lol

lost knoll
#

there was a new terminal browser recently

#

browsh

rough sapphire
#

Maybe I'll check it later.

#

Buliding Netsurf rn.

robust sierra
#

@granite lake but you have to include student loans

sullen thorn
#

Woah wait @tame pier DBAs are the highest paid?

#

How high we talking?

#

Cuz I really like databases (at least for now)

rough sapphire
#

It depends really.

#

I think.

sour shale
#

DBAs probably aren't the highest paid programmers
highest paid is probably fintech

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those few people who can make succesful stock trading algorithms

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consistently and at scale

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either at a bank, a fund or a proprietary trading firm

rough sapphire
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Lmao.

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I think highest paid in general.

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Not 100 or smh people in the whole world.

sour shale
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there are probably a few thousands algo traders
IDK exact numbers
but ye DBA is a much more common job

rough sapphire
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I worked at Russian Walmart in IT. And yeah. DBA was paid there not really well. Better than tech support which I did, but not so much.

sour shale
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TBH the few DBA guys that I met didn't make huge $ either

rough sapphire
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But I knew a guy who worked at a bank and he was getting all the roubles.

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But he was senior over there.

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I think DBA considered "high paid" because there are banks and oil that needs it.

sour shale
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if its a rly big, critical database ye

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makes sense that it would pay well

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for python, statisticians do well too, and econometrics guys

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my frend works in economics consultancy and he does some python for stats

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he uses Stata the most though and a bit of R

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but eventually more and more Sata and R models will be ported to python

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which will be nice 😄

rough sapphire
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Still. DBA is something that not going to go away soon.

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Although I think youngsters should invest some time and consider some AI and machine learning skills.

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In 10 or so years it's going to be main IT business.

sour shale
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yeah DBA will be around for a long time

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for sure

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and ye Neural Nets are invading 😄

tame pier
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@sullen thorn I don't have averages or anything at hand thats what Google is for ;)

DBAs have great job security, and experienced ones are highly paid. As with any profession, you're not going to be paid nearly as much starting out, but if you are good at it and build up experience you'll end up in a very good place.

gentle moss
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this new dr who's going in strong

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full on tentacle

tulip palm
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🤔

tired osprey
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ive not seen the new doctor yet

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sadly

gentle moss
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it's literally on now

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she's a lady

tired osprey
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for you maybe

gentle moss
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that's going to piss off some nerds

tired osprey
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i cant watch BBC bisk

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😦

gentle moss
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vpns

tired osprey
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i dont have a VPN bisk

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😦

rough sapphire
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Is there any logical reason for a doctor not being a man triggering nerds?

gentle moss
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because he's always been a man

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough sapphire
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And... That's all?

gentle moss
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yes

tulip palm
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humans are petty sometimes

gentle moss
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i mean it's being from another level of existence that regenerates into a new human form everytime it dies

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OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A MAN

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women couldn't use a screwdriver

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duh

tulip palm
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lmao

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bisk you're gonna get shot one of these days

gentle moss
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yeah, probably on my trip to NYC

tulip palm
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well, again

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:^)

tired osprey
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bisk is going to NYC

rough sapphire
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Why would anyone want to visit NYC?

tulip palm
tired osprey
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some people from this discord an in NYC

gentle moss
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for culture, duuuuhhh

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what am i going to do? go to iowa?

rough sapphire
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Culture in NYC?

tired osprey
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nah

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california

gentle moss
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I burn easily in the sun

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also, yeah, i like major cities

tired osprey
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OH I MEMBER

gentle moss
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NYC has some nice art galleries and shit

rough sapphire
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SF?

gentle moss
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well, i've always felt more attached to NYC than LA or SF

rough sapphire
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I thought that SF is the poshiest place in the US.

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Poshiest.

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It is not a word.

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Isn't it?

gentle moss
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Poshest

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NYC has always had a certain charm for me

sour shale
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no probably upper-Manhattan is poshest

rough sapphire
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Movie charm?

gentle moss
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Nah, just the piss stench

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Reminds me of London

rough sapphire
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And sewer smell feels just like home.

gentle moss
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Seriously though there's a bunch of cool stuff in NYC and i fancy checking it out

sour shale
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london doesn't have sewer smell at all

gentle moss
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also trying to get onto one of the late night shows

rough sapphire
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Ahah.

gentle moss
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I've been watching The Daily Show for over 10 years :3

rough sapphire
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Let me introduce you British born American, ladies and gentlemen.

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British TV is somewhat better to me

gentle moss
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Hell isn't a place i'd want to live, but it would be nice to visit.

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;)

rough sapphire
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Like all the panel shows.

gentle moss
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America does some TV better than the UK

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UK handles a lot of shit better than the US

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Comedy is a sticking point for a lot of people

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but i mean there's plenty of good US comedy

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i think the problem is there's so much and most of it is wank

rough sapphire
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*cough *cough SNL

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Old ones I like so much.

gentle moss
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I don't watch all their TV, just a bunch of the late night stuff which is usually politically focused

rough sapphire
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But recent stuff is not so funny imo.

gentle moss
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US satire is far better than UK at the moment

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SNL is hit and miss tbh

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Favouring the misses

rough sapphire
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They got carried away with political agenda kinda.

gentle moss
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I'm not even sure it's that

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They've just lowered their standards of jokes

rough sapphire
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However Baldwin's Trump is on point imo.

gentle moss
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I swear they lost a load of good writers and stuff at one point

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because people use it as a launch pad

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ooooooooh

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Dr. Who just made a subversive women can't run because of tits joke

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👌

rough sapphire
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Yeah. Lots of good US comedians came out of SNL.

rough sapphire
granite lake
candid anvil
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that game is great

granite lake
tame pier
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lol

vapid bluff
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i wonder if they have a clause to prevent being sued for screwups like that

tame pier
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Well shit

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C'mon MS test your shit

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They must've changed something without pushing it to insiders Fast

vapid bluff
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apparently insiders had been reporting the issue for months before release

granite lake
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lol

vapid bluff
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they just slipped through the cracks or something

granite lake
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It happened to me

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Something deleted itself

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I hope I don't lose my assignments

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😦

vapid bluff
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two words: google. docs.

granite lake
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yeah I'll have to shift there

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lol

tame pier
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From following their devs, they definitely have testing

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IMO they're trying to move too fast

granite lake
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bc of vulnerabilities

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they need to launch stuff fast

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I think

tame pier
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They need longer periods of testing

granite lake
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Waterfall Model

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😄

tame pier
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No, vulnerabilities are independent of releases

vapid bluff
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i read a post about how it was actually an issue with their feedback submission method that didnt let the insiders reporting data loss get enough attention