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#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
robust sierra
@bleak lintel your pfp scared me
bleak lintel
yes
tulip palm
@rough sapphire is this better? :P
cosmic quiver
Why is there a margin around each window
cosmic quiver
Am I the only one who doesn't use i3 🤔
sand goblet
I use plasma
cosmic quiver
Plasma seems pretty nice
rough sapphire
@cosmic quiver what do you use instead?
cosmic quiver
I used to use Budgie but I just use gnome now
People say it's slow but I don't have any issues with it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rough sapphire
budgie 
gnome 
ebon quarry
same for me, gnome is nice
rough sapphire
not a fan of gnome's UI/UX, but if it's fine for you then go ahead
cosmic quiver
I mean I tweaked it to look better
I use arc-red theme or whatever it's called, dash-to-dock and arcmenu
And probably something else I'm forgetting
But it looks pleasant
lone otter
screenshot?
ebon quarry
dash-to-dock 👍
rough sapphire
yea you can make it look better, that's not what I really ment tho... I just don't like how it wants you to use it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
also not a fan of alot of the programs that come with gnome
sand goblet
It also uses wayland
cosmic quiver
I'm booted into windows to play video games @lone otter
sand goblet
Making it not an option for me
lone otter
oh understandable
sand goblet
Nvidia drivers don't work with wayland
rough sapphire
ye that as well
cosmic quiver
I haven't had issues
cosmic quiver
idk it's the one I have
rough sapphire
I know nouveau does support wayland
but that driver sucks for games (compared to nvidia's own)
sand goblet
Nouveau's performance is basically non-existent
cosmic quiver
yes it is
And it doesn't actually even work
You get lots of black boxes
If I start having issues I'll just switch back to using budgie 
ebon quarry
haha
i remember i tried running ubuntu with wayland at first
and was like "huh, why are all my cores maxed out"
and it was so laggy, nothing worked
rough sapphire
ebon quarry
i was thinking "hmm, this book said wayland is the new up-and-coming thing, so might as well give it a shot"
sullen thorn
Does anyone here have any experience with sms apis like twilio? Or similar stuff?
A while back, I was able to receive verification codes from an app using numbers from twilio, but now the app switched to short code numbers I think? And I can’t receive the verification codes anymore
Anyone know if any sms apis support messages from short code numbers?
sand goblet
Yeah I used to use twilio
They deliberately don't support those numbers
To stop the exact thing you're trying to do
sullen thorn
Ik 😦 I read all their info - u don’t know any other services that do tho?
sand goblet
Fraid not
sullen thorn
Twilio is amazing for everything except this and talking in voice calls
sand goblet
Besides, you're breaking all kinds of moral codes and terms of service by automating that
sullen thorn
I don’t feel too bad, it’s more for the learning experience than like generating 1k accounts
Also do u know if there’s a reason why u can’t msg +1 (non twilio) numbers using a non +1 twilio number?
Doesn’t really explain in docs
sand goblet
If you're on the free trial credit you can't send messages to numbers that haven't explicitly confirmed they want to get texts from your numbers
sullen thorn
No i’ve paid - I sent the message and it gave me an error
sand goblet
It is generally smart to have a number in the region you're sending to though
sullen thorn
My workaround rn is to send from my phone to GB twilio to US twilio to US number
sand goblet
Since then the person you're sending the message to doesn't get charged for it
sullen thorn
Hmm didn’t think of that
Also my plan was to send straight from GB twilio to us number and straight from US twilio to gb number, but I realised that’s not a great idea 😂
Do u have anyone u recommend for voice calls? I found someone and they seem pretty cheap, but haven’t tried them yet
😂😂 I promise i’m not human trafficking
Wait ppl get charged for receiving msgs from other countries? (Just read your comment properly, misread it the first time)
lilac glade
wild yarrow
o_O
sullen thorn
this is why i dont add milk
i eat the cereal dry 😃
i drink milk alongside
rather than have soggy cereal drenched in milk
lunar mulch
how long do you wait before eating your cereal? It only gets soggy after like 10 min
wild yarrow
I also drink the milk along side
means better cereal and milk
but I generally don’t do cereal; coffee or tea is my breakfast
sullen thorn
Gwyndolin gets it 😃
wild yarrow
c:
i think i am going to make a couple batches of sun tea tomorrow :D
should go well with light salads during the heat wave c:
tame pier
I'd take a discord skin for my OS
jovial basalt
^
gentle moss
[23:22] jms53: I'm no Bisk, but something sounds wrong about that
[23:22] jms53: almost as bad as cereal with Orange Juice
it's infused milk
it's a beverage, not a broth
also wtf at the dude who just drinks a glass of milk with a bowl of dry cereal
the best part is you overload it on milk, then eat the cereal quickly before it goes soggy
then you have cereal infused milk left over to drink
gentle moss
no, it's their right to be wrong if they want to be.
torn ridge
but this is the outrage generation!! anything and everything can/does cause offence 😄
tired osprey
Did you just stereotype this generation as Outrageous?
torn ridge
yup!
tired osprey
Rude
ebon quarry
@rough sapphire Your current username does not comply with our username policy. Please add a nickname which complies with the nickname policy specified here: https://pythondiscord.com/about/rules#nickname-policy
wheat crescent
sullen thorn
i get crawlers trying to aggregate webpages, and bots checking login pages to see if im vulnerable, but wtf is this?
bleak lintel
probably some server is vulnrable to having wacky methods sent to it
sinful copper
the HTTP/0.9 protocol didn't have a version declaration
so if your server is interpreting something as an HTTP/0.9 request with a weird method, that just means it's popping off the first whitespace-separated word from the first line. Probably some garbage that isn't even HTTP being sent to your port.
sullen thorn
oh
lilac glade
@sand goblet stop hovering over the console for the game
sand goblet
What?
lilac glade
which part of the game are you currently in?
The main game, or the little console that pops up behind it?
because, IIRC, this points to that little console.
sand goblet
there is no console
lilac glade
yes there is
sand goblet
Not on linux there isn't
lilac glade
Fair enough, I guess.
torn ridge
i enjoyed it, i like games like that though
i used to love uplink
that game was awesome
sand goblet
I liked this one better than uplink
torn ridge
yeah its a lot more current, and uplink is pretty damn old
17 year old 😄
actually hackmud looks interesting!
there was one i used to play, came on one of those tiny cd's it was soooo good!
cant remember its name though
worn kite
I just got hacked
and my hacknetOS "linux" machine crashed with a bluescreen...
tsk tsk...
lilac glade
omegalul
bleak lintel
Is hacknet still free?
bleak lintel
Ahh wait it still is apparently
free giveaway ends in 40 minutes
Eh I can't be bothered installing steam
ebon quarry
..
sand goblet
@worn kite You can prevent that if it happens again :P
If you see your RAM filling up, you can find the process with ps and kill it
Veeeeery important for multiplayer
tame pier
@torn ridge oh I remember those tiny CDs
So cute
And usually had interesting stuff
Except for the modem vendor ones, but those were usually full size
worn kite
hmm, can I switch back to an older faction to complete their tasks after joining the next one? (Hacknet again)
wheat lotus
tulip palm
oh isn't he the guy who made requests?
sullen thorn
Yup
bleak lintel
I want context behind that
ebon quarry
oh my god
you're asking a lot out of me, and i've already put a tremendous amount of time into this, and it's a holiday right now. patience is a virtue. so the solution is obviously to close the issue
@iScrE4m Just remove the python_version requirement from Pipfile if your intend is to support multiple Python versions. lol
steel fox
It’s even better cuz he closed it then
2-3 comments down one of the other contribs is like “yeah we can add it”
tired osprey
pretend to work
ebon quarry
has somebody here used gitea? trying to figure out how to add attachments to wiki posts
worn kite
I have, but I can't remember ever having had a need for attachments
ebon quarry
writing some wiki post on how to use our gitea instance and having screenshots would've been nice
white quail
weeb Byte and tea addict hemlock as helpers
white quail
worn kite
your loss ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rain spindle
class Ores():
instances = {}
def __init__(self, name, rarity, emoji):
self.name = name
self.rarity = rarity
self.emoji = emoji
Ores.instances[name] = [int(rarity), emoji]
wood = Ores("wood", 1, "🌲")
stone = Ores("stone", 3, "🗿")
coal = Ores("coal", 5, "🔥")
else:
found = "nothing!"
for item in Ores.instances.keys():
num = Ores.instances[item][0]
random = randint(0, num)
if random == num:
found = item + Ores.instances[item][1]
break
embed = discord.Embed(
title='Mined for ore and found {}'.format(found),
description="Copyright of Sharp",
colour=member.colour)
embed.set_author(icon_url=member.avatar_url, name=str(member))
await ctx.send(
content='', embed=embed)
I think this is quite cool.
ebon quarry
Copyright of Sharp
rain spindle
@ebon quarry ecks dee
The code is cool tho right?
Means i can add new materials in one line of code
cosmic quiver
Why do you have the class at all if you're just using it as a dict...?
cosmic quiver
I can already feel the next issue
cosmic quiver
>>> class Foo:
... instances = {}
... def __init__(self, name):
... self.name = name
... self.instances[name] = self
...
>>>
>>> def make_foo(name):
... f = Foo(name)
... print(f.name)
... print(f.instances)
...
>>> make_foo('Jack')
Jack
{'Jack': <__main__.Foo object at 0x7febfc16fd68>}
>>> Foo.instances
{'Jack': <__main__.Foo object at 0x7febfc16fd68>}
>>>
>>> from weakref import WeakValueDictionary
>>>
>>> class Foo:
... instances = WeakValueDictionary()
... def __init__(self, name):
... self.name = name
... self.instances[name] = self
...
>>> def make_foo(name):
... f = Foo(name)
... print(f.name)
... print(dict(f.instances))
...
>>> make_foo('Bob')
Bob
{'Bob': <__main__.Foo object at 0x7febfc11ec88>}
>>> dict(Foo.instances)
{}
Well this usually doesn't cause issues but it doesn't leave useless objects in memory which is nice
sand goblet
ebon quarry
lol
forest swan
😂
tulip palm
there's so much i would do to have an official CLI client for discord
rough sapphire
@tulip palm there is a discord-cli in golang already, and some of it's forks actually do work
tulip palm
the problem is that an unofficial client would break discord's terms of service, as gdude said.
rough sapphire
ye I guess that'd count as selfbotting 😦
slate quail
I'd pay for Nitro if it got me a CLI client
sand goblet
sadly my terminal cannot show rich content
slate quail
mine can't either, but I'm not too worried about anything beyond the actual text content
sand goblet
I use the video calls and stuff
slate quail
oooh
tulip palm
id be fine with just text content
slate quail
yeah that'd be perfect for me, Discord devs pls make it happen
I'll start giving you my money
tulip palm
@tired osprey submitted a suggestion for it i think. did you vote?
slate quail
oooh
sullen thorn
anyone elses discord just die?
slate quail
it's been doing that on and off all day
steel fox
Yeah heard google cloud is having issues
tame pier
Some days I get reminded that programming can be really hard
Especially when you try to keep too much complexity in your head at once
lost hornet
Isn't the point of programming to get the complexity out of your head?
tame pier
Yes
But keeping in mind the use cases for a new design so I don't miss one is difficult for me
steel fox
Name my Yacht in GTA
tame pier
Failure
tame pier
YEAH BOI SPOTIFY'S BACK
Man they've gotten slammed the last week or two
Multiple minor outages, then Spotify breaking, then the big outage today apparently
wild yarrow
rip
tame pier
lol
I'm sitting here trying to figure how to MitM the RPC traffic between Discord and Spotify
After poking around in the processes and folders of both clients
When it hits me, "Oh CTRL-SHIFT-I in Discord"
And low and behold [Spotify] WS Connecting
Watching the numbers in the HTML change as the song progresses is strange
Yeah, so I think the Spotify integration is mostly happening inside discord
steel fox
speed running in GTA 👌🏾
tame pier
Reverse engineering is 👌
steel fox
We're so close to the WR
tame pier
Even tho I'm a total noob at it
steel fox
18 seconds off
tame pier
For load time?
steel fox
Same
steel fox
same
tame pier
But you're actually in school
steel fox
...true
crisp sierra
Oh man I really want to switch from smokeping to this, but this logo though: https://github.com/20c/vaping
crisp sierra
What would you use?
I'm still using smokeping to monitor a network of about 50 nodes
set it up in like... 2010
Also using librenms but smokeping gives way more info at a glance
sand goblet
I use datadog for monitoring
crisp sierra
I don't know anything about datadog except that I want that free tshirt
crisp sierra
I can guarantee you this nonprofit will not go for that
crisp sierra
I'm monitoring 47 nodes, some of which are endpoints and not network components, but 24 of which are Ubiquiti devices and also set up in AirControl
That's not counting the UniFi stuff which is controlled through the UniFi Controller
sand goblet
I did use munin at one point
Which is nice for graphs but is a pain to set up and doesn't do alerts
crisp sierra
The reason I set up LibreNMS was that I wanted alerts, but I found that it gave a lot of spurious alerts due to changing wireless conditions and never really bothered looking into it further
It tended to give "host down" alerts on small numbers of dropped packets
sand goblet
Reminds me of OVH's bundled monitoring
Can't ping? OH SHIT ALERT THE TEAM LET'S GET THE FEDS DOWN TO THAT RACK
crisp sierra
Yeah my phone was blowing up
crisp sierra
what haha
sand goblet
I'm just like.. Yeah, I use iptables, thanks
Don't @ me
And they disable it
The monitoring, I mean
crisp sierra
Maybe I'll look into tuning librenms
Apparently, it has smokeping support. Did not know this.
rain spindle
Wanna hear a joke?
Snapchat and discord both had downtime Cause of Google :^?
worn kite
2real4fun
sullen thorn
wooden lichen
tulip palm
@bleak lintel
tulip palm
i use web all the time because fuck electron
granite lake
lol
tulip palm
i just almost wrote "mi profesor de religión es un coño" on my spanish homework lmao
it's probably not even correct but whatever
tulip palm
people say not to use google translate because it's wrong, but that's just cause you need to use it correctly :P
steel fox
@knotty beacon are u online and want to realm royale
gentle moss
people say not to use google translate because it's wrong, but that doesn't matter when i can't speak any other fucking language does it
does well for basic communications
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tame terrace
the people who said don't use google translate, said it a long time ago
then, for the most part, people have just repeated it
thing is, google translate has come a long way
it's fairly inoffensive for most of the languages I speak when I test it. it can't do edge cases too well but it can do the shit outta common stuff.
english -> norwegian is pretty good. same with swedish, danish, and as far as I can tell without a native command of them, german and spanish too
they all used to suck at one point
rough sapphire
English to German and back has proven very reliable for me
proper dune
French is mostly right too. If you know a bit, you can avoid most mistakes too
worn kite
Ah, bien sûr, il y a du baguette sur la Tour Eiffel. 🥖 🗼
(nvm that Discord only has a Tokyo Tower emoji...)
rain spindle
What these systems will never get is how words change based of emotions and feelings
So googles neutral stance is better than what we will have for awhile
late acorn
100% german
tame terrace
that's pretty german I guess
gentle moss
The new Mac book with an i9 in it runs too hot to utilize the CPU :D
the cooling is so wank that under heavy load the CPU actually throttles itself
and never reaches the turbo boost frequency
it's basically just as fast as the i7 version
knotty beacon
You have a virus
bleak lintel
lul
knotty beacon
Waiting for a windows 10 vbox to download and unpack zzzzzz
Trying to pretend to be busy
rough sapphire
@bleak lintel any way for a normal human being to get the list of all the ot channel names?
rough sapphire
steel fox
Ye basically
twilit delta
What kind of website could i build to use most of back-end, for example api's and databases?
rain spindle
@twilit delta I mean you could show statistics...
That way it's just a static website that pulls data from database
twilit delta
I have been writing decoders from binary, base64, vigenere, rot N
but they dont really touch any more complex data structures or OOP in general
rain spindle
.... Why when most lans do that anyways?
twilit delta
Just for a general interest in them
rain spindle
Fair enough
twilit delta
Hmm, should i try to make some sort of web which would show charts of crypto prices
but i have been looking around and could't find a source from which all those websites compile those prices
steel fox
There’s a bunch of crypto exchanges
twilit delta
yea, but do they really just rely on their api's?
Well prolly its a wrong place to ask such question
worn kite
worn kite
sullen thorn
its addictive and u wanna continue with it to push the limits,and before you know it you spent $200 on a server - and thats just the start
its a gateway drug leading into a dangerous world
rain spindle
Lmao
worn kite
you do notice how every of your messages is ambiguous in context of the image above?
sullen thorn
thats the point lol (wait ambiguous means u cant tell if im being serious or just going along with the image right?)
-The people who are doing it probably don't enjoy it very much 😂 😂
worn kite
k, wasn't sure if it's intentional or not 😛
steady stone
I'm 1/16 german
tired osprey
im pretty german
worn kite
some German music matching the channel name... 🤘
(would fit in Lord Inver's death metal moshpit too)
although it's rather power metal
granite lake
Big data is fun once you know how to handle it
tulip palm
@granite lake hey can i handle your Big Data™?
steel fox
granite lake
😂
tame pier
Wow
Wasted 45 minutes trying to figure out why my windows service wasn't started
Turns out just had to run a post-install script for pywin32
🤦
python 'C:\Program Files\Python36\Scripts\pywin32_postinstall.py' -install
boom fixed
le sigh
granite lake
lol
steel fox
Known doesn’t love me enough to help me with unit tests 😦
sand goblet
“Look I’m all for a health and mindfulness kick or whatever, but she needs a full on kick up the arse,” explained Roisin, who admitted to occasionally using the word but only with ‘bitches’ coming directly after it.
strong pivot
lmfao
have you seen that shirt on instagram all the yogic people are wearing that says "namaste as fuck"
so painful
edgy pier
Hi Guys, so I was reading the book titled “Think like a programmer” which I think many people here have read before!
On the “Figure 1-5” (Tile puzzle) the author demonstrates a rule of thumb on how to solve the challenge.
What I want to know however, is why does the suggested technic works? Is there a mathematical concept behind it? If so please share
proper dune
Oof, good question. I cant think of any relevant maths, only CS algorithmic stuff. Might be able to fit group theory but wouldnt help too much
also nice pfp and nick
good season
edgy pier
I've been thinking about this tile and googling it, but I seem to not find anything
proper dune
I can find some maths on solvability
None on actual solving
graph theory seems to come into play somehow
some more @edgy pier http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/15859-f01/www/notes/15-puzzle.pdf
strong pivot
that is graph theory because you can visualize each potential move as a graph @edgy pier
when you are trying to model a problem like that you want to thing about the possible number of moves per turn
proper dune
If only I knew the black magic of discrete maths :P
I need to crash course discrete maths in the summer
That and Operations research, looks fun
strong pivot
if you spend about 20-30 minutes going over combinations and permutations you should be ok
discrete math is like a smattering of “tools” in math
proper dune
I can do combinations and permutations just fine, I just want to formally study graph theory, some pure algebra etc
I'm an applied maths person so I don't really get the chance to study it, much less formally learn proofs and all
strong pivot
ah gotcha
proper dune
Would be nice to see the other side, yknow
strong pivot
graph theory is pretty fun
I hate mostly everything else, because they made it such a chore at my school
proper dune
The physics and maths faculty at my school designs and organises subjects in a much nicer way than the engineering faculty so maths subjects have been my favourite
I was planning on doing a graduate level control engineering course as an elective but now I'm thinking of doing the 4th year pure control theory course instead because the physics/maths faculty is cooler
strong pivot
that sounds good
do stuff you enjoy in school
if you take very stressful courses you won’t learn as much imo
knotty beacon
My first physics course was stressful, but I enjoyed the shit out of it
(ALG based 😢 )
Twice as much work as a calc based, and it was my first class after not having been in school for 12 years
steel fox
I enjoyed all my maths I’ve taken
rain spindle
Physics and maths ftw.
steel fox
I started as a math major
knotty beacon
I started as a Network Admin major
and quickly went, "nope"
CS: Security major now
slate quail
strong pivot
earlier I was installing the wrong python package for two hours
I was supposed to install pycrypto instead of crypto 👌
steel fox
noice
steel fox
how can make AI in HTML
steel fox
c++ god
knotty beacon
lolwut.gif
sullen thorn
Any chance you’re up for walking me through how tf u use vs code
I got it to write small c++ scripts and i’m finding it confusing af
sullen thorn
No it’s more like I thought u could write and compile a script using it? But I don’t even get how to do that 😂
knotty beacon
VSCode is an editor, not a compiler/full IDE
steel fox
You dont
I mean you can, but I tried to use it a while back and gave up after a couple hours
steel fox
Normally it’s used for small scripting projects and stuff, apparently it’s nice to use once setup
But I’m not about to waste even more time trying
steel fox
yeah
Just has like 80 menu options that need an event handler twice and trhen a couple other things
for a C++ exercise in class
proper dune
C++ is a weird language
ebon quarry
in an ideal world, everything is python and elixir / erlang
tired osprey
in an ideal world we dont use languages but think the program
worn kite
In an ideal world we could just insult the computer until it does what we want... no wait, that's the real world.
steel fox
thats how scratch works
tired osprey
oh hello bytecommander
worn kite
Humblest greetings.
tired osprey
🎩
steel fox
o shit @rough sapphire is a cop now
worn kite
quick, hide the 🌿
tired osprey
i think the word you are referring to is cyberman
rough sapphire
👀
tired osprey
yes exactly
worn kite
worn kite
ood
worn kite
tired osprey
oods are nice
worn kite
gifs taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4hhWiqS7K4 btw
tired osprey
that video is nice too
steel fox
1>Sketcher.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: void __thiscall CAboutDlg::OnBrushcolorViolet(void)" (?OnBrushcolorViolet@CAboutDlg@@QAEXXZ) thank god C++ has descriptive error messages
what does it mean tho
worn kite
it failed
steel fox
yes
worn kite
it is too embarrassed to explain the reason to you
tired osprey
did you know the almighty jvm requires you to set a stack size and max local variable amount for your programms
worn kite
requires?
tired osprey
yes
worn kite
I know you can, and sometimes have to if your application is a too fucking huge beast, but mandatory?
tired osprey
otherwise it will default stacksize and local var amount to zero which will cause the jvm to crash
tired osprey
wish thinking
wish thinking
no
you have to actually write an instruction into the .class file
telling it stack size and local var amount
which was the reason i spent 5 hours yesterday shouting at my jvm to fkin work
because i didnt know that was a thing
steel fox
this error is so triggering
worn kite
then javac does a reasonable job
(except for when it doesn't, because you write a monolithic ecommerce platform in it)
tulip palm
LMAO
ebon quarry
wowowow
discord updated their developer portal
fancy!
I really want to set up my server to send mails to me when noteworthy stuff happens somehow
I always thought I could only send mails locally
But with postfix, that could change
sand goblet
You don't want postfix.
ebon quarry
Why not?
sand goblet
You think you want postfix but what you really want is smtplib
Postfix will take you several days to set up properly
ebon quarry
Well, the last time the only set up thing I was missing was actually fixing the sender address, the rest worked out of the box..
sand goblet
Yeah it works out of the box, but then what you're running is a spam relay
ebon quarry
I didn't add the anti spam record stuff at that point though
ANd I'm not sure what postfix has to do with that
Anyways, I can't find any package named smtplib on DO's Ubuntu mirrors
Where can I find that?
sand goblet
smtplib comes with Python
ebon quarry
as in, a MTA?
ebon quarry
yes
sand goblet
It's just a CLI tool
ebon quarry
but you need a MTA to send mail?
ebon quarry
hmm
sand goblet
Junked, I mean
ebon quarry
ahh
steel fox
did this channel name not change?
steel fox
or is it not time yet?
sand goblet
It's always possible for it to be the same name for two or more days
That's how random numbers work
steel fox
Yeah ofc, i was just curious if it stayed the same or if my brain was playing tricks on me
worn kite
#ot1-sticky-channel-names
granite lake
Byte appears in memory
tame terrace
bot.otnames.add("sticky-channel-names")
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe not plural
bot.otname.add("sticky-channel-names")
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand:
clear moss
hmmm
Not the sort of thing you want to make public
Empty vulnerable hosts are a tool for miscreants to use in attacking someone else. I wouldn't leave that running when you aren't using it.
clear moss
All they have to do is upload their own bot software and run it hidden
They can even manipulate the server so they can see what you type into it
If you use your password to do any administrative things, they can find it
Lol
Malware doesn't have to create new files
It can latch onto existing ones
knotty beacon
It's a trivial matter to inject a process that makes it so they can always regain control
It's just a friendly warning
languid kelp
keep talking guys i am taking notes and preparing my attack
sinful copper
I once had a botnet installed on my PC through a minecraft server
clear moss
Well, none of us are going to do that
sinful copper
I knew it was through the minecraft server because it was running in the minecraft server account, and (fortunately) did not get root access
knotty beacon
If I had the inclination I wouldn't be talking about it or warning you 😛
languid kelp
if all they can get is A password there might not be much harm?
clear moss
Depends if the password is reused anywhere else
But the main danger is what the free server can be used for
languid kelp
seems like the shell is gone
clear moss
good
languid kelp
i did rm -rf XD
clear moss
That's a pretty grey area, I wouldn't do that.
granite lake
@sinful copper wow
A botnet can instal, on your pc through minecraft
lol
whats your server
lemme test the security
clear moss
deleting files on someone else's server is a grey area
languid kelp
oh
clear moss
Even if they "give permission," that doesn't necessarily mean they actually have the rights to the server to allow you to do things like pen testing it
clear moss
Why do you think they wouldn't?
languid kelp
@rough sapphire make it so they can't delete it
clear moss
Remove the shell?
knotty beacon
clear moss
Anyone who wants to, because you gave them permission to
sand goblet
already gone, apparently
plucky ridge
For the record, we really don't support that kind of request. Plenty of people can say they own a site and even show things that act as "proof"
languid kelp
create index.php that is not easily erased
granite lake
@rough sapphire Can't you add some permission thing to make it only readable
then how is it being deleted ?
knotty beacon
If the shell itself has rwx
granite lake
^
knotty beacon
Possibly? not sure how the F he has this going
granite lake
lol
knotty beacon
That's just my first guess.
sinful copper
to prevent a file from being deleted generally the directory it is in can't be writable
sand goblet
huh, it's as if letting people run arbitrary commands is a bad idea
sinful copper
maybe that's a sign you shouldn't be doing this
languid kelp
you know godaddy was against net neutrality right?
clear moss
You might get your godaddy account in trouble.
sand goblet
seems up for me
ebon quarry
doesn't really matter
ebon quarry
one does not simply give access like that
sand goblet
you basically spam processes until you run out of memory
you can do it in one line of bash, it's pretty easy
elfin oar
volcyy what is your profile picture meant to be
elfin oar
its not very good
sand goblet
that's a windows forkbomb isn't it?
elfin oar
doesn't look like bash to me either
sinful copper
the bash forkbomb is :(){ :|: & };:
granite lake
I have a question
elfin oar
elfin oar
inb4 'batch is a programming language'
sinful copper
in what sense is it not
sand goblet
cpan is perl
granite lake
lol okay
sand goblet
I'd be surprised if anyone owns up to that, lol
sand goblet
No
knotty beacon
"who punched me after I said punch me while my eyes are closed?"
granite lake
😦
sand goblet
yeah, to be fair, you pretty much asked for someone to break it
well, we did tell you that
:P
sand goblet
GoDaddy will probably be pretty pissed you shelled their server
elfin oar
batch is just some dos commands
clear moss
You might also read the "Abusive Activities and Other Threats" section of the Hosting Agreement you signed: https://www.godaddy.com/agreements/showdoc.aspx?pageid=HOSTING_SA
knotty beacon
I could care less if you learn the hard way ^_^
GodlyOre - Today at 9:49 AM
i really want someone to attack it
HarrisonOwns - Today at 9:49 AM
:finger_gun_dank:
well, I guess this is one way to learn, eh?
knotty beacon
The Hard Way ™
sand goblet
generally also the worst way. :P
elfin oar
whats going on?
granite lake
@rough sapphire welcome to the internet
languid kelp
@clear moss are you a "whitehat"?
granite lake
@elfin oar we discussing something about this dude's server
sand goblet
How did you manage to pick the two worst webhosts in the world?
granite lake
000webhost is good
clear moss
I am a security enthusiast, so I guess you could call me a whitehat
Not professionally though
languid kelp
what do you do professionally ?
clear moss
Healthcare IT
knotty beacon
I'm not quite a whitehat either, but on my way towards
granite lake
same
knotty beacon
Security major working in Applications Engineering atm
granite lake
I just play with tools
languid kelp
@clear moss do you hold a CAHIMS by any chance in that case
sand goblet
"Ah, we see the shell was uploaded from your IP, using your FTP account"
"RIP your account"
sand goblet
most hosts provide a jailshell that can't run that sort of thing
surprising they didn't
knotty beacon
ssh in, stop the parent process, first guess
IF you even can
I'm not familiar with a fork bomb until just now, but that's my first guess.
Well, not familiar with their management system, but it needs to be shutdown
granite lake
@rough sapphire if you get it fixed, understand that there are some commands you must block
knotty beacon
Their sysadmin got an alert, "dude_001's server is taking up a fuckton of resources"
languid kelp
or it was automatic
knotty beacon
Or that, as well
granite lake
they have bad management
Could have just alloted a specific amount of memory to him
sinful copper
automatic or no, that it happened at all suggests that the server was not really private, and that the fork bomb was affecting other users
otherwise all they could notice was electrical consumption
elfin oar
mfw when it's almost been 25 minutes since someone has decided to help me
unkempt ermine
did you buy the help DLC?
gentle moss
Don't forget to also wear your help hat with the extendable flag pole.
elfin oar
what does the flag pole say
unkempt ermine
high fives Bisk got'em
clear moss
@languid kelp I don't have a CAHIMS, still need another year or so experience in the healthcare field before I qualify
knotty beacon
The top of the pole says, "beep, beep, I'm a truck."
tired osprey
The shell sucks I can't even give it proper arguments
knotty beacon
In general, just stop lol
knotty beacon
There's no way to verify that it is yours
and not pretending to ask for "help" to attack someone by proxy
tired osprey
There are several ways to verify its his
knotty beacon
and generally just not very smart
As has been proven to you in under 10 minutes of your first, "I want to be attacked."
and generally just not very smart
gentle moss
where'd the shell go
zzzz
lol
i just tried to ls
this isn't a shell
it's an error generator
rain spindle
LMAO
elfin oar
it's now been almost 40 minutes
and the only 'reply' ive gotten wasn't even a reply it was another question
gentle moss
i got a new error, btw
elfin oar
@unkempt ermine need to buy that dlc
sand goblet
this is starting to get out of hand
@rough sapphire you probably had some fun having your machine broken, but it's time to get rid of the shell and stop breaking the terms of service of your webhosts
knotty beacon
"All" -mistake #1
granite lake
@rough sapphire its fixed ?
gentle moss
i wonder what it takes for me to get suspended from AWS
clear moss
that is indeed an AWS
gentle moss
I've managed to get myself rate limited on some of my AWS servers
accidentally nmap scanning while still connected to a VPN
knotty beacon
Had to have it on a short delay for that
I've done it no problem before, didn't do anything though
(on a professor's server lol)
gentle moss
yeah, i was supposed to be hitting a public IP from the LAN inside it
instead blasting out a 65k port scan through my EC2 :3
ebon quarry
I wonder what DO thinks if you do that on their server
gentle moss
idk :o
give it a go
;)
Amazon just sends you an email like "FUCK YOU STOP THAT AND YOU'RE GROUNDED FOR 24H"
sand goblet
No limits, you say?
I have to say, it is a bit suspicious that you're pumping out these websites @rough sapphire
Especially considering that we already provide a paste service
Tell me, is your paste service GDPR-compliant?
Yeah, and what does that have to do with Python?
Did you write it?
Then it doesn't have anything to do with us
Well, this is a Python server lol, what else would #303934982764625920 be about?
Also yeah XSS is a very standard security feature
Everything should have it
Almost everything does
sullen thorn
How do u protect against xss?
sand goblet
CSRF token
sullen thorn
Oh
sand goblet
It needs to be present in the form data and also present in a cookie
And they have to match
If they don't match or one isn't present, you reject the input
It's pretty simple
sullen thorn
Never made a website that takes user input before, so never had to deal with that
ebon quarry
isn't XSS also what can happen if you don't escape user input properly?
sand goblet
that's usually not the fix for that
XSS is what can happen if some other site doesn't escape user input properly
ebon quarry
oh I see
sand goblet
actually there is no XSS protection
sullen thorn
Yeah in fairness, it’s pastebin - what r u protecting against?
sand goblet
sullen thorn
Oh
gentle moss
Hey did someone say unlimited?
sullen thorn
Apparently
sand goblet
that isn't XSS protection
sullen thorn
I have a 3GB text file, can I try uploading it?
gentle moss
Who wants a terabyte of 9's?
sand goblet
you're just preventing script injection
sullen thorn
A terabyte? Fuck lol
sand goblet
nah it won't get that far
gentle moss
I got a half gig line at my disposal
sand goblet
but I do have an idea on how to break it
gentle moss
A tb is being Nice
sullen thorn
Gdude gonna spend the next 30m trying to break godly’s pastebin 😂
gentle moss
I'll split it across pastes though
sand goblet
yeah, you'd have to
sullen thorn
I have 1TB total transfer per month before I gotta pay for it :/
gentle moss
Aah
Is it is?
*js
It's so boring to break it's barely worth the effort
Everyone runs out of drive space eventually
sullen thorn
Lol
Unless u has an unlimited space thing on aws
Then realistically he won’t run out of space
Oh
ebon quarry
@sullen thorn Are you on DO?
sullen thorn
Yup
ebon quarry
ah, same
sullen thorn
Well most stuff is on do, got something on aws
ebon quarry
digitalocaen
sullen thorn
Yeah do is awesome 😃
ebon quarry
I keep thinking "woah that limit is annoying" but I will probably never hit it lol
sullen thorn
Lol i’m at I think 10GB rn
sullen thorn
Lmao you’re not even at a gig yet 😂
ebon quarry
Man I LOVE DO's web dashboard
It's so great
It's clean, and simple to navigate
and I like blue 
ebon quarry
ah
ebon quarry
well my droplet doesn't do anything useful tbf
The only thing that really eats CPU (and very few of it) is Erlang
sullen thorn
Lol u could always change that - make yourself a discord bot in python
Then it’ll be useful 😃
ebon quarry
ironically
it originally was Python
but I can't make that work on multiple cores and I was unhappy with a bunch of things so I rewrote it from scratch in Elixir
And it is useful
And it works very well 😊
sullen thorn
Wait u can’t make python work on multiple cores?
What if u multithread or multiprocess it?
ebon quarry
asyncio is single-threaded IIRC
and discord.py uses asyncio
to be fair, I don't really need the ability to scale it across cores
But I could, and maybe it would make sense, maybe if it had more than 7 servers 🚛
I learnt a lot of Elixir while rewriting it and that is one of my key takeaways from it. It makes you think a lot different than Python
Like, I have a mod log module, and it's possible to temporarily mute the mod log using a command
how do you store this in Python? Probably an attribute on your mod log cog, containing a set of guild IDs where it's muted
but in Erlang / Elixir, you store state differently, you just spin up a process to keep it
sullen thorn
I never figured out how to use async on python 😂
ebon quarry
to be specific, an Erlang process, and those are very lightweight, so it's common to have thousands if not millions
i've grown to dislike it 🤷
the issue is either full async or not, at least for most things
sullen thorn
Hmm
I just threaded stuff I needed to, and the rest was in the same thread
(Or some stuff was processed)
ebon quarry
mhm
sand goblet
make sure you don't get forkbombed again
ebon quarry
🚛
sand goblet
Huh, where's rochdale?
ebon quarry
I think UK people are sleeping at this time
sinful copper
its only 6PM in the UK
sand goblet
Now someone form canada did a http request
but without using the website
How can you tell?
ebon quarry
Everyone on this Discord is from the UK except you.
sand goblet
Yeah, but how can you tell they're not using the site itself?
ebon quarry
Shhh
sand goblet
Ah right, I see
that looks like uhh
that russian tracking pixel site
the fuck was it called again?
3yes?
something like that
knotty beacon
A crawler or bot is possible
sullen thorn
@gentle moss u gonna do a good stream?