ot1-perplexing-regexing

[slow oriole]

ide**

nvm boys

whatever

[minor tundra]

IDE is typically the way you edit your code. Like "Word" but with some bells and whistles to make programming easier, like how word has spell check to make writing easier

[soft violet]

Integrated development environment. A bit of a nebulous concept, the general idea, to my mind, is that it's a code editor with fanciness attached to make code development easier. Often there are things which will also run your code.

Are you doing Java?

SQL?

[slow oriole]

python

[rocky prawn]

THANK YOU ! mate

[brazen ingot]

nw

[marble bay]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DUm6U201o4w

[quasi blaze]

FYI, questions are inconclusive if it’s not a loaded one. You ask questions so you can receive a conclusion

[lament cairn]

@fossil shadow #python-discussion message don't use windows 11 on that small amount of ram

[fossil shadow]

I have to

Until i'm able to get a pc

[lament cairn]

then you're out of luck ¯_(ツ)_/¯

don't keep much stuff open in the background, use a lighter editor like vs code or a TUI editor

[fossil shadow]

Useless

even with nothing open 90% of my memory is in use

One day i decided to check my memory without opening anything and i seen 90% of my memory being used

And idrk why

[gritty zinc]

what actually happens if you use up all your RAM, though? surely you have some swap?

[fossil shadow]

On a laptop?

[gritty zinc]

sure, why not? if anything, laptops pretty much always have SSDs.

[lament cairn]

windows enables swap by default but if it's on an hdd then it's far worse

[fossil shadow]

Also i think it just crash the computer. Found that out when messing around with love2d.

[shell raptor]

a laptop with 4gb of ram?

[lament cairn]

4gb ram. it surely has spinning rust to go with it

[shell raptor]

to be fair, I did have a laptop with 4gb of RAM and a 256GB ssd

[fossil shadow]

Imagine if someone said laptops ssd's can be switched out

[lament cairn]

unfortunately that does exist with eMMC

[gritty zinc]

anyway, one solution to your problem would be to move to a lightweight linux distro :p (windows 11 in particular is very weird to have on such old hardware)

[pliant nexus]

mine has 2gb 💀

[green pelican]

This has happened to me on Linux quite a lot. Everything stops and I have to hard restart with my power button

[fossil shadow]

I'm not using linux

Istg i ain't touching that os

[green pelican]

You may want to

[shell raptor]

VSCode is probably on the heavier side. Compared to sublimetext or vim/emacs

[gritty zinc]

alternatively, debloat your windows I guess; might help.

[fossil shadow]

How tho

[thick ore]

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

i use this on all systems

[gritty zinc]

the last one I remember using was actually Tron, but that's slightly old now, and probably not for win11

[lament cairn]

please tll me you're using linux with zram

[green pelican]

Bro zram is a gift from god

[pliant nexus]

nonnoo, even goddamn xface has issues running on it due to the cpu being so weak.
only win7 works

[lament cairn]

wtf

[green pelican]

My 8gb swap goes crazy

[shell raptor]

I have VSCode open (on linux) with 1 Python file. If I add up the RAM used by all the code processes it's about 1.2GB 💀

[rough sapphire]

lots of gb for a 4gb ram laptop

[lament cairn]

my crappy homeserver pretty much depends on zram
sucks that windows doesn't have it

[green pelican]

Windows

[pliant nexus]

winblows

[gritty zinc]

seems about right (though this is 2 vscode windows with many tabs)

[fossil shadow]

I'm talking about without vs code

[wanton delta]

Your ram
My ram

[solemn tulip]

you weren't planning to use that, were you?

[vocal oyster]

my laptop had 4GB RAM 128GB SSD but I swapped it for 16GB 1TB and runs perfectly fine for everything I use

mind you I also switched to linux which helps

battery life halves if I use windows

costs significantly less than a new laptop, the CPU is only dual core pentium gold but my issue was just having multiple applications open

[quasi blaze]

Too many folks (that are adults) are blinded by what their parents advise them to do thinking they can never say anything wrong.

Never fear of being disagreeable

[strange blade]

I fear of being agreeable

[tardy rain]

I fear of being

[lament cairn]

I am

[tardy rain]

Why cant we cloud seed these clouds to fuck off?

Its mid june and theres an unhealthy layer of cloudage blocking my sun rays

[young shoal]

big fan

[young shoal]

why not phrase it positively though. disagreeable has a negative connotation. you could say, "speak your mind" or something

[quasi blaze]

I disagree that disagreeableness has a negative connotation. It’s bad to be a “Yes man”

[tardy rain]

.wa short disagreeable

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

not to your liking

[tardy rain]

Hm

[quasi blaze]

Some people keep the same pay rate because their too agreeable

[tardy rain]

Just dont be this kind of disagreeable

[quasi blaze]

https://youtu.be/5ZKa61z1eTk?si=OPnnOyUZjTwFmza9

[young shoal]

disagreeing means not agreeing, it is negative

[quasi blaze]

It is negative but where’s the negative connotation?

[tardy rain]

What about the cons

You cant evaluate the behaviour without looking at the cons

[young shoal]

right there

[quasi blaze]

Agreeing also means not disagreeing so is agreeing negative too?

[young shoal]

I thought you were talking about double negatives earlier

[quasi blaze]

Are you going to answer the question

[tardy rain]

No

[young shoal]

agreeing is positive

not disagreeing is not not agreeing, and like you said, we should simplify

[quasi blaze]

Why should there be a negative connotation in disagreeing?

[hearty violet]

move to africa, all year round sun

[tardy rain]

If your opinions often don't agree with others you'll be seen negatively whether you're right or wrong
Same way contrarian has a negative connotation

Disagreeing with people isnt whats important, sticking up for your opinions and not being exploited is

Making a habit out of disagreeing for the sake of it isnt healthy

[quasi blaze]

Strange how you’re online when katj9 is offline. Hmmm

[hearty violet]

idek who that is

[young shoal]

lmao

[young shoal]

"if you disagree, you are against me. against me = bad"

[vocal oyster]

strange how timezones work isn't it

they're in the US (afaik) and seeing how the last msg was 7am talking about sleep, west coast

would be early morning there right now

[quasi blaze]

Change how Raph tried to change the topic when an thread is still going

Katj9 does the same thing

[young shoal]

bro

everyone does that

[hearty violet]

u got me, I'm Katj9's alt account

[young shoal]

plus that topic was already here

[tardy rain]

people arent changing the topic just cause youre not getting 100% of the attention keezy

you can still talk about your own stuff

[hearty violet]

every time I come here he's talking about argument fallacies or some other adjacent topic
I just don't care lol

idek who this person they're talking about is, I've never seen them around here, I just replied to the first message I saw

[tardy rain]

its your own fault for not knowing any better tsk tsk

[quasi blaze]

So should people not disagree with people’s arguments in debates because it’s bad?

[tardy rain]

in a debate, youre not trying to get the other side to agree with you
youre trying to get the judges/audience to agree with you

because agreement is positive

thats how you win debates

[young shoal]

that's not what I said. I said it's a negative connotation

[quasi blaze]

I didn’t say that you said it. It’s a question.

Let’s assume for a moment that there is a negative connotation. So what?

[tardy rain]

You'll be treated differently

[young shoal]

it's a question about what I said. so I clarified

[young shoal]

it means your message will be received differently

[quasi blaze]

It’s a general question to seek understanding about your position

[tardy rain]

People might think youre a contrarian

Or that youre combative

They probably wont give you as many chances to explain yourself

Or the benefit of the doubt

Overall you'd probably have a hard time convincing people

harder* time

You might not care or you might have enough leverage to get your way anyway

Gotta weigh your options

For example, at work you cant afford to be disagreeable if you're fully, 100% replaceable

You can have your opinions and stick by them if the other side has something to lose with you going away

[young shoal]

my position being what I said. glad we can agree on this

[hearty violet]

u guys really need to stop "arguing" with keezy

[quasi blaze]

Yes you made your premise in being disagreeable has a negative connotation but you didn’t provide a concluding statement on your premise. Therefore, I asked you if disagreeing was bad in arguments in order to seek for that conclusion on why you’re saying disagreeableness has a negative connotation. Understand?

[tardy rain]

It'd be nice if keezy actually wanted to argue

Instead he just name drops fallacies, tries to trick people into saying things they dont mean and then sneaks away when they wont fall for it

inb4 >strawman fallacy

[vocal oyster]

you are strawmanning my position

[tardy rain]

Nuh uh

Anyway since keezy doesnt wanna address my thoughts on why being disagreeable is risky i will just assume he concedes

Feels good to be a winner

[young shoal]

the conclusion is that you should use a different term instead of "disagreeable". the discussion about disagreeing was just a side quest

[hearty violet]

LOL idek why u guys keep giving him attention
every time I'm here someone is arguing with him about some BS fallacy or whatever he got off of wikipedia
it seems like he just comes here while bored to try to spite someone into "discussing" argumentation "theory" with him

[tardy rain]

Its fun

Thats all i got for you

Not the best of reasons

[quasi blaze]

All right. Cool

[honest star]

Please, Raph is 2000% not my alt. Slightly offended at even the thought

[low chasm]

lmao

[young shoal]

chat what did they mean by this

[hearty violet]

fair ig, if you want to waste ur time go ahead lol

[tardy rain]

Bro im at work

Ofc i wanna waste time

[young shoal]

true

[honest star]

valid

[hearty violet]

that jab was uncalled for 💀

[young shoal]

mod abuse tbh

[low chasm]

raph catching strays

[honest star]

It's not a slight at you lol, but that the communication styles are so different that it's absurd to think you're my alt

[young shoal]

yeah there's a pretty clear age disparity

[hearty violet]

I'm at work too, but I try to use at least half of that time productively

[tardy rain]

Thats pretty generous of you

[hearty violet]

I see makes sense ig

but the "offended" part is what I was talking about lol

[young shoal]

half? you're doing too much

[hearty violet]

I'm autistically into certain types of stuff

so I just read books/articles and stuff while doing nothing at work

yesterday I spent all my free time at work writing and reading about typst for example 🤣

[quasi blaze]

So the synonyms for disagreeable have far worse negative connotations than disagreeable itself. Disagreeable is the least negative connotation as it can get

[tardy rain]

But its still negative

This is an XY problem

What are you trying to accomplish by being disagreeable

There are definitely far more positive words to use instead

[young shoal]

irrelevant

consider "speak your mind"

also this isn't even the definition of "disagreeable" that you were using

[tardy rain]

Could also use strong-willed, resolute, adamant, steadfast, tenacious

All positive attributes

[young shoal]

real

[quasi blaze]

Your claim is that disagreeable has a negative connotation so therefore, there should be an alternative

Did I steelman your position correctly?

[young shoal]

what

I literally gave an alternative

[quasi blaze]

“Speak your mind” is rather vague

[young shoal]

so is "disagreeable"

[quasi blaze]

How are you able to differentiate whether one is an agreeable person vs one is a disagreeable person?

[young shoal]

the advice is vague in general. it doesn't take into account the individual situation

[quasi blaze]

It’s not about individual situation. It’s about the individual personality

[young shoal]

huh?

[quasi blaze]

How can you determine whether one is high on agreeableness vs low on agreeableness with “speak your mind”?

[young shoal]

why would you need to

it's the wrong metric

[quasi blaze]

To assess one’s personality traits?

Have you heard of O.C.E.A.N?

[young shoal]

of course

[quasi blaze]

Okay so you know there’s a metric for one’s personality on agreeableness

[young shoal]

sure. but it's the wrong metric for this case

[quasi blaze]

I am talking universally

Not a specific situation

[young shoal]

"this case" is this discussion

[solemn tulip]

||contrarian||

[young shoal]

no u

[rare wing]

Public static is human version of chatgpt

[tardy rain]

You ask people questions about how they would behave in different scenarios

[young shoal]

🧢

[rare wing]

No caps

[tardy rain]

Or whether they agree with specific statements i guess

[rare wing]

Only fax

💯

[tardy rain]

opened the first link to a big five test
first question
"You are a practical-minded perfectionist"

Is this not an oxymoron

[young shoal]

🗿

[solemn tulip]

I picked a random one, first question

[tardy rain]

Very Accurate!

[solemn tulip]

oh, is there an implicit "do you"?

[tardy rain]

Youre a phoenix

You gotta radiate something

[acoustic moss]

frumpiness

[quasi blaze]

Andrew Wilson is probably the best debater that I have ever seen

[hearty violet]

there's really no good way of asking this so I'm just gonna say it
are you autistic? or do you have OCD?

do you have any other interest besides debates?

[quasi blaze]

Universally, what word would you use besides “speak your mind” and “disagreeable” and that doesn’t have a negative connotation or less of a negative connotation then “disagreeable”?

[quasi blaze]

Absolutely. But they are actually unfit for the server

I would criticize that we have a limited number of interesting topics to talk about that doesn’t involve people getting so sensitive

My remedy for that is people need to learn how to become resilient and stop being shielded by a bubble to protect yourself from words that offends you

[hearty violet]

this is the offtopic channel, as long as it's not corn or piracy you're free to talk about it

[vale raven]

But I love corn

I always add it to my chili

[hearty violet]

not that corn

[vale raven]

ik ik, let me have my joke

[young shoal]

talk about Python then

[young shoal]

something along the lines of self confidence

[quasi blaze]

You weren’t here last year. Were you?

[meager stratus]

beta radiation

[low chasm]

dude, there's a bunch of stuff you can talk about that doesn't violate our #code-of-conduct lol

[quasi blaze]

You keep referring to the #code-of-conduct but all the “offenses” that I committed last year never infringed any violation of the code of conduct

Refer to this #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval message

The whole channel shifted topics by the superior because of this opinion?

[hearty violet]

I've been on and off here for a year or so

[quasi blaze]

And that was one of those civilized discourses that I engaged in

Yet, someone had to feel “offended”

I never was even given the opportunity to explain my premise

[low chasm]

we've already been past this, that comment was indeed a violation of our code of conduct, and we've already explained explained to you why that was. It also happened...a year ago, we can just leave it in the past at this point.

[quasi blaze]

Code of conduct on which part?

[low chasm]

if you've ever had a problem with an infraction, you're free to DM modmail for clarification, or to air any concerns.

[quasi blaze]

You never told me which section in the code of conduct it violated in

You keep mentioning the entire manual but not the section in the manual

[hearty violet]

keezy, that comment u linked screams "red pill" content lmao

u even used the term "marketplace" for dating

Idk if it violates the coc and I honestly don't care, but I think that's the wrong way to go about it at all

[hearty violet]

just side tracking here for a brief moment
what happens if I have too many warnings? lol

[low chasm]

frankly, it comes across as misogynistic, which was the issue we had with it - if you're looking for specific sections, see the following:

• Be kind and courteous to others
  • Using welcoming and inclusive language
  • Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences

We don't need to specifically list "misogyny" under our code of conduct to infract for it. The code of conduct isn't an exhaustive list of everything you can or cannot do, but it outlines the kind of environment we want to foster here.

[low chasm]

well, there's not really a threshold of like if you get X warnings, Y will happen, but previous warnings are considered in the issuance of future infractions (but like, how long apart they are and such can also be a factor).

[hearty violet]

I see, cause I've been here on and off (leaving sometimes) for a year or so and just got my first warning yesterday for sending a piracy website link here 🤣

[quasi blaze]

You don’t know what the word “ misogyny” means.

[minor tundra]

We tend to review the historical context, signs of growth, willingness to listen, etc when evaluating things

[minor tundra]

Buddy let's not have this conversation. If you'd like to raise and issue open an modmail.

[hearty violet]

it means hating women, the same way misandry means hating men

[low chasm]

lol, you're fine, it's not like we auto ban after a specific number of warnings

[grave cove]

ew

corn is garbage

[vale raven]

WTF

[grave cove]

mods, can we ban this guy for having an incorrect opinion?

[minor tundra]

I'm from Nebraska. Careful there

[acoustic moss]

corn 👍

[grave cove]

me vs the world fr

i will die on this hill

[paper sequoia]

Even when grilled and heated???

[grave cove]

you cannot do anything to make corn good

it has 0 reedeming qualities

[low chasm]

dude Robin this is an extremely bad take

[hearty violet]

mod saying they like corn, ban!!!

[paper sequoia]

No way...

[grave cove]

i dont care you are all wrong

[minor tundra]

Popped corn, corn meal, corn on the cob, korn, grilled corn, corn syrup, the corn palace's murals

[tardy rain]

Its as simple as putting butter on it robin

[low chasm]

Robin you don't like popcorn?

[grave cove]

i wouldn't say i don't LIKE it

but i don't have it that often either

its pretty mid

[low chasm]

masala corn 🥺

I've been having that a bunch recently

[minor tundra]

core maze, corn/maize

[grave cove]

they should just give me a bucket of fries at the movie theatre tbh

[hearty violet]

I prefer milho

[low chasm]

homemade popcorn 🥺

if you don't dunk it in butter it's probably a somewhat cut friendly snack

[vale raven]

Popcorn is mid

Elote 👍

[low chasm]

shen you prefer icing over the cake

[vale raven]

And?

[low chasm]

that's like the most invalid take I've ever heard

Icing is usually the worst part of the cake

[grave cove]

what??

[low chasm]

overly sweet icing is terrible

[grave cove]

dude everything you say is wrong

[vale raven]

that's like the most invalid take I've ever heard

[low chasm]

ok, good icing is actually good

[grave cove]

holy shit get some good takes

[vale raven]

IKR

[low chasm]

but most grocery store cakes have the sweetest icing ever

Idk how you eat that stuff

[vale raven]

Because it’s sweet

[low chasm]

if it's from an actual bakery then sure it's fine

[grave cove]

have you tried making your own icing

[low chasm]

that's the problem it's too sweet

[grave cove]

you can control the sweetness that way

[low chasm]

yeah I've made a cake before

[grave cove]

no i mean the actual icing

[low chasm]

yeah, I've done that too

[jaunty wraith]

bro baked

[grave cove]

was that better

[low chasm]

there's different kinds of icing

[low chasm]

yeah, I don't typically make desserts too sweet

[jaunty wraith]

why not?

[low chasm]

I don't like too sweet stuff

[young shoal]

true

[low chasm]

and grocery store cake icing is like the epitome of too sweet

[young shoal]

true

[vale raven]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-gingerbread-man-you-are-a-monster-broken-leg-shrek-gif-5498298

[low chasm]

savory >> sweet

[grave cove]

bro wants the umami

[vale raven]

I bet that icing is super sweet too

[grave cove]

how about i ice your face

[young shoal]

bro

wrong channel

[low chasm]

sweet fruits are good though, but not like the overly ripe ones

and definitely not bananas

[jaunty wraith]

average aboo L take

[young shoal]

tf

[grave cove]

aboo has beef with bananas

[young shoal]

aboo L lmao

[grave cove]

dude fr

can we talk about your banana hate

[young shoal]

aboo has beef with good food

[low chasm]

???

[grave cove]

real

[low chasm]

I have the best food takes

dude I'll literally gag on bananas, they're terrible

[grave cove]

mods ban this guy tbh

[acoustic moss]

banana hate is understandable

[young shoal]

aboo, more like, boo

[acoustic moss]

far more understandable than this corn nonsense

[low chasm]

EXACTLY

[young shoal]

🤨

[jaunty wraith]

no, it's heresy

[low chasm]

eugh

[grave cove]

you're not supposed to shove the banana down your throat

[low chasm]

you agreed with my sweet takes??

[grave cove]

outplayed

[acoustic moss]

do you have beef with beef

[jaunty wraith]

two things can be good at the same time

[low chasm]

no beef is good

[low chasm]

ok that is fair

sweet and savory foods are good

but I feel like in general you'll prefer one or the other

[hearty violet]

hating banana is like hating water
it's the most common and generic fruit, it's as inoffensive a fruit taste as it can be

hating bananas feels like being a hipster, I'm sorry

[low chasm]

it's genuinely a bad food

[acoustic moss]

what about when its half brown

[jaunty wraith]

no, it's your tongue issue

[low chasm]

I made baked oats with banana in it, it ruined the entire thing

[grave cove]

aboo is a hipster confirmed??

[acoustic moss]

kids these days fr

[hearty violet]

you mean when it starts getting very sweet?

[low chasm]

the texture too

it sucks

it's so mushy

[acoustic moss]

the texture is gross

exactly

[hearty violet]

I don't like it when it starts getting very sweet either

[low chasm]

hsp having good takes for once

I can manage bananas when they're green

[acoustic moss]

i only have good takes

[hearty violet]

yellow u mean? when they're green they're hard and bitter

[low chasm]

no, yellow is too far

when they're green the texture is more bearable

[hearty violet]

another bad take from u

[hearty violet]

u're crazy

[acoustic moss]

nah

[low chasm]

berries are generally good

raspberries are the best berry

[acoustic moss]

bananas are berries

[low chasm]

what the fuck

[hearty violet]

green bananas are bananas that aren't ripe yet

[acoustic moss]

when the self foot is shot

[hearty violet]

who tf likes fruit that isn't ripe

[jaunty wraith]

aboo

[low chasm]

I never said I liked it

[jaunty wraith]

aboo has bad food takes in general

[low chasm]

I just hate it less than ripe bananas

[low chasm]

name one bad food take of mine

I'm not a picky eater, it's just bananas I won't eat

[jaunty wraith]

literally the one we're discussing

[hearty violet]

u eat green bananas, that's enough for me
that's like eating raw seeds to me, ur opinion is invalid I'm sorry

[young shoal]

bro

[low chasm]

I don't eat bananas in general 😭

[young shoal]

green bananas

[low chasm]

well, not bright green, but somewhat green

[jaunty wraith]

IIRC, there are other food you dislike eating, but my memory is bad

[low chasm]

regardless, bananas in any form are bad

[grave cove]

aboo getting dogged on by the whole lobby

[acoustic moss]

he has me

[low chasm]

bananas are the one thing I'll outright refuse to eat

[jaunty wraith]

!otn a aboo's bad food takes

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: Added aboo’s-bad-food-takes to the names list.

[young shoal]

true

[low chasm]

I like some foods less than others, but I won't not eat them

[jaunty wraith]

!otn a hsp's bad takes

[royal lake]

:ok_hand: Added hsp’s-bad-takes to the names list.

[acoustic moss]

wtf

[jaunty wraith]

"all of hsp's takes are bad takes" was getting a bit wordy

[low chasm]

that one is valid

[acoustic moss]

wtf

i was the one teammate you had

[hearty violet]

proof that mods are biased fr

[low chasm]

betrayal

[jaunty wraith]

that's what happens when you side with people with bad takes

[low chasm]

oh i didn't see this

I take back what I said

hsp you have a couple of good takes

like two

[acoustic moss]

whats the other one

[low chasm]

agreeing with me

[quasi blaze]

Can we talk about the meaning of misogyny for a moment

[jaunty wraith]

this is a bad save

[jaunty wraith]

"women bad"

next question

[vale raven]

Pretty much

[lucid raptor]

I'm not keen on this as a conversation starter to be honest 😄

[vale raven]

Why do we need to?

[young shoal]

isn't it believing someone not in your group is inferior

[low chasm]

my saves are all good

[vale raven]

How many do I have?

[quasi blaze]

I vehemently dislike how my comment last year was asserted to misogyny

[minor tundra]

No. That is a) an unproductive argument and b) your thrust of it into the discussion was used as a means to discredit the mod's explanation as to the terms of our code of conduct by moving the goal posts. This is not going to be entertained.

[jaunty wraith]

doubt

[young shoal]

"what is the sexual harassment policy"

[low chasm]

3

[tardy rain]

Its always good to know

[vale raven]

What are they?

[jaunty wraith]

"the policy is… do not"

[tardy rain]

For uh, record keeping

[lucid raptor]

I think the policy is "don't do it"

[low chasm]

I don't keep track, I just know you have 3

give me your takes and I'll rate them

[vale raven]

Rust is hard

Cloud is better

[lucid raptor]

Coffee smells better than it tastes

[jaunty wraith]

okay, hold up

[vale raven]

Whataburger is good

[vale raven]

Why?

[young shoal]

arctic permafrost take

[low chasm]

ok, so you might be somewhat right with this, the smell of coffee is a top ten smell, but coffee tastes fine regardless.

[lucid raptor]

I don't understand 😄

[jaunty wraith]

I'd only accept that take, if it came with ✨ it depends ✨

[acoustic moss]

anti hot take

[young shoal]

opposite of hot

[lucid raptor]

Ah

[jaunty wraith]

cloud isn't always better, nor is it always worse

[grave cove]

ban this guy

[acoustic moss]

centrists 🙄

[grave cove]

like right now

[jaunty wraith]

cat

[hearty violet]

keezy is excelling just in reverse

[acoustic moss]

car

[vale raven]

How can you say this?

[jaunty wraith]

by typing it

[lament cairn]

thats not saying

[grave cove]

bro gave a generic take

[vale raven]

You should undo it
Before Jesus comes calling for you

[young shoal]

on prem has benefits

[jaunty wraith]

good thing I'm irreligious

[quasi blaze]

How so?

[hearty violet]

I'll leave that as an exercise to u

[quasi blaze]

That’s a burden of proof fallacy

[hearty violet]

good

[young shoal]

imagine if you refocused all this effort on learning fallacies into learning Python

you'd be a senior dev for sure

[hearty violet]

lmao

[grave cove]

lmfao

[tardy rain]

Imagine if they refocused all this effort into doing their day job

Go tell your manager youre free keezy

Add tests and docs to your apps

[quasi blaze]

Being a senior dev doesn’t get achieved by the amount of programming knowledge you acquire. It’s the years of professional experience that you must attain in getting that status

[tardy rain]

Not really

[jaunty wraith]

not all years are equal

[young shoal]

not really

it's never that simple

[tardy rain]

I've seen "senior devs" not get through fizzbuzz

[jaunty wraith]

there can be people that have spent a lot of years, but never really progressed much

[tardy rain]

More like señor devs, their mind fading away

[young shoal]

or have the same 1 year of xp 10 times 😩😩😩

[jaunty wraith]

there can also be people that progress very fast

[vale raven]

like me

[acoustic moss]

bait

[jaunty wraith]

I'm not going to talk about… your situation

[young shoal]

ragebait post

[hearty violet]

señor dev 🌮 🤠

[jaunty wraith]

but anyway, as with most things, ✨ it depends ✨

[young shoal]

like me 😌📈

[jaunty wraith]

idk

[tardy rain]

Keezy youre in a great position of being the only dev in a team

You should spend less time arguing with strangers online and more time learning as much as possible

Debating isn't gonna help you in life

[young shoal]

great is an interesting way to put it

I would be scared out of my mind

[jaunty wraith]

there are pros and cons

[tardy rain]

Its highly conducive to progress

[young shoal]

I think as a junior, it's only cons

[young shoal]

progress sure. in the right way? not sure

[tardy rain]

It depends on them

[young shoal]

it's impossible to know if it's good or not. you don't know what you don't know

[hearty violet]

that's a logical fallacy. when you're debating you have to actual construct a... 🤡

[tardy rain]

Its unrestricted, theres demand for work in all areas of the product
This is good

Experience in a startup is more valuable than generic gigantic corporation experience

[young shoal]

it's different

[quasi blaze]

I would argue that debating helps to articulate your thoughts and how to speak and communicate concisely

[young shoal]

indeed. you also get that with your technical reading and writing courses

[quasi blaze]

People misuse words to mischaracterize people’s position and you need to call them out for it

[young shoal]

actually, you don't

[hearty violet]

debating about worthwhile things then not about fallacies lol

you literally get nowhere debating about debating

[young shoal]

and yeah. pattern matching on logical fallacies is not debating. you're just trying to "gotcha" people

[hearty violet]

it's like a painter talking about painting but never actually painting anything

you're just running in circles

[solemn tulip]

what's the opposite of progress?

[quasi blaze]

There’s people who sue for defamation of character

[solemn tulip]

degress? postgress?

[vernal yew]

you should probably never come to Kentucky, js for your own sake

[quasi blaze]

So yes there’s situations where you need to call them out for it

[young shoal]

stagnation

[solemn tulip]

congress?

[vale raven]

That's not the opposite
That's the middle

[hearty violet]

being able to state "laws" and "syndromes" on people's arguments online is fun tho ngl
but yeah it's not productive if you're just shouting fallacies every single day lol

[solemn tulip]

I'm dumb. it's regress

congress being a plausible antonym to progress is kinda funny though

[quasi blaze]

I suggested a topic but it got rejected by a superior

[vernal yew]

shit happens

[jaunty wraith]

wdym?

[hearty violet]

ok and?

[quasi blaze]

So you can’t tell me that all I talk about is logical fallacies and not worthwhile things

[young shoal]

lol

[young shoal]

the assumption is that they need to be appropriate

[young shoal]

what if there is no going back?

[quasi blaze]

I also talked about the parent vs stranger’s advice but a superior hijacked the topic as well

[young shoal]

what's your problem with superiors anyway. topics get changed all the time

and usually not by staff

[quasi blaze]

They use their authoritative power to change the direction of conversations at the table…

[vernal yew]

isn't that what a moderator is suppose to do? lol

[hearty violet]

I honestly don't care what you do at work or not
also your superior rejecting your topic doesn't prove anything

[young shoal]

but most of the time that doesn't happen

[minor tundra]

There is a chance, and I'm just spitballing here, that sometimes we use soft skills to guide the conversation away from topics which have a tenancy to result in warnings, mutes, and bans.

[hearty violet]

wait, you're actually like that irl? lol

you literally had that conversation here like yesterday?

[quasi blaze]

I was trying to talk about something other than informal fallacies…

[young shoal]

why not talk about Python

[jaunty wraith]

Python 👍🏼

[young shoal]

@quasi blaze what's your favorite std lib module

[jaunty wraith]

or what have you built recently?

[hearty violet]

💀

[solemn tulip]

It was an inane point to make anyway. To quote what I said back then

of course some advice coming from someone in particular doesn't make the advice suddenly more accurate, but that isn't really the point

someone who has known you all their life will likely be able to give you good advice, having given good advice in the past also grants a level of trust

[young shoal]

debt 😩

[hearty violet]

u were still trying to debate people
u should learn to talk to people without turning it into a debate

[jaunty wraith]

you should try building equity, instead

[young shoal]

😔

[solemn tulip]

discussing python in ot? what is this?

[young shoal]

i don't get a retirement thing at my work

[gritty zinc]

build socialism 👍

[jaunty wraith]

me neither

[young shoal]

yeah off topic for off topic, so it should go in off topic

[hearty violet]

occupational therapy?

[young shoal]

huh don't you have a real job

[jaunty wraith]

ot can also stand for on-topic

[solemn tulip]

can we get a !pydis command to direct people to the main channel?

[young shoal]

true tbh

[vernal yew]

name things around your house that you can use for a toothpick if you run out of toothpicks lol

[young shoal]

save algos and ds

[hearty violet]

here's the command for u #python-discussion
u're welcome

[solemn tulip]

also deja vu, I swear I've had this exact exchange before

[hearty violet]

lol

[jaunty wraith]

there are gov schemes that necessitate employers to match contribution to a pension fund
but private employers don't "provide a retirement" per se

[grave cove]

my fingers

[vernal yew]

too small.. i gotta cavity hole

[solemn tulip]

fingers too small? try a fist

[vernal yew]

lol

[young shoal]

yeah. the pension has kinda died in the US. nowadays employers help with contributions to a retirement account

[lucid raptor]

I use post it notes

[young shoal]

chat is this real

[vernal yew]

hm thats an idea.. i could probably roll up a small piece of paper

[lucid raptor]

I have a stack on my desk. I think it's the only thing I use them for 😄

[young shoal]

you just... stick them in your mouth?

[lucid raptor]

Yeah like floss

[young shoal]

tf

[grave cove]

ok that's kinda weird

[lucid raptor]

It works!

[young shoal]

do you use the sticky side

[lucid raptor]

Just to get like bits of food out

[lucid raptor]

Nah

I'm too lazy to go and buy actual floss

[jaunty wraith]

yeah, make a "shiv" out of paper

[young shoal]

illegal in UK

[jaunty wraith]

what

[lucid raptor]

Don't judge me

[hearty violet]

murica is weird
but I can't talk much cause even with our govt supplied retirement plan in a few decades no one will have a retirement at all 🤣

[tardy rain]

Its good if its under 2.5 inches

[quasi blaze]

I don’t think it’s inane at all. There’s bias when people find their parent’s advice more preferable than a stranger’s advice.

Trust also doesn’t make an advice more credible. You prefer to take your parent’s medical advice if she’s not a medical doctor over a stranger’s medical advice who’s a doctor?

[jaunty wraith]

FYI, I'm not from America

[quasi blaze]

Do you think mothers know best as well?

[vernal yew]

that totally worked lol thnx

[young shoal]

bruh

[hearty violet]

what is bro saying

[vernal yew]

just dont use the non-folded edge of the paper or you paper-cut your gum

[young shoal]

post it note shiv

[hearty violet]

but you were talking about the US right?

[jaunty wraith]

I was not

[hearty violet]

oh

[young shoal]

I was

[grave cove]

therefore bro thunk

[jaunty wraith]

we were talking about retirement

pub doesn't have one

I don't either

[grave cove]

i think that's an actual logic fallacy for once

[young shoal]

yeah

[jaunty wraith]

"not being from the same country" fallacy

[young shoal]

that's uhh. affirming the consequent

[lucid raptor]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxJ9KtPUndJpVunkcVzZaOW5PECIR-jRpb?si=tzZRAU9mObCa5Q4h

[grave cove]

how is that for a logical fallacy, keezy

[jaunty wraith]

imagine using YouTube clips

[hearty violet]

none of us will have one don't worry 💀

[solemn tulip]

assume you got a piece of advice from your parent, someone who knows you well
assume you got an advice from some randomly chosen person in the street, who doesn't know a thing about you

which would you bet on being the better advice?

[young shoal]

speak for yourself 😌

[jaunty wraith]

real

we're all going to die in the resource wars

[young shoal]

if I keep saving at the same rate, I will have over a million at retirement

if I don't die

[acoustic moss]

iz for me 👉 👈 🥺

[hearty violet]

certainly not from govt

[young shoal]

which I guess goes into the "if"

oh yeah, not from social security lmao. that's dying

[solemn tulip]

something something prior probability

[jaunty wraith]

too many ifs

[acoustic moss]

bayesed

[jaunty wraith]

prior probability suggests I'm based

[acoustic moss]

2 is criminal

[young shoal]

2 was generous

[solemn tulip]

what did you expect?

[young shoal]

it was a coinflip

[acoustic moss]

i wasnt expecting yall to be mean

[jaunty wraith]

between 2 and ?

-1

[solemn tulip]

(this is totally a better prior probability joke :)

[young shoal]

😩

[jaunty wraith]

flew over all our heads

[acoustic moss]

but is the paren closed

[quasi blaze]

I would bet my parent will before the advice from both of them is given

[jaunty wraith]

:))

[young shoal]

(:))

[jaunty wraith]

((:))))))
butterfly cocoon

[young shoal]

bro CI skipped my PR

[acoustic moss]

reminder that ()() is not a palindrome and ())( is

[jaunty wraith]

y

[young shoal]

idk. I'm going home

[hearty violet]

ur code was too good

[tardy rain]

Skill issue

[hearty violet]

changed my life

[jaunty wraith]

CI issue

[solemn tulip]

right, of course no one will claim that some specific person will always give the correct advice, but for meaningful advice where you might not be able to evaluate the quality of the advice easily, trust and priors matter a ton

that's why I was saying the point being made is kinda inane

I don't think anyone seriously claims "mothers are always right" as some fundamental truth

[honest star]

.... no. That's illegal

[acoustic moss]

sorry

[tardy rain]

I would not dare doubt my mother

[solemn tulip]

somehow "proof by intimidation" pops into my head

[tardy rain]

If it works 🤷‍♀️

[jaunty wraith]

proof by violence

[bleak lintel]

reminder that you're now manually breathing

[acoustic moss]

reminder that you just lost the game

[young shoal]

see my about me

[jaunty wraith]

I wasn't even playing the game, so I can't lose it

[glossy niche]

i have SSH;d into my own machine

this accomplishes little but its fun

SSHeption

tbf it is useful for debuggin ig

[timid latch]

It proves ssh is setup correctly

[glossy niche]

yepppppppp

i tried to use vs code server over SSH (the remote host thing in the corner) but windows perms are a fuck

can i ssh into a windows machine?

[quasi blaze]

I wonder if etymologies like “co” , “sub” and “re” are taught in English for English second language speakers because English was never taught like that for native English speakers in elementary

[glossy niche]

some teachers mention them in more advanced classes

[timid latch]

Surely you can? If not natively there is surely some third party thing for that

[glossy niche]

but speaking from my own exp, most eng teachers never bother bec they were too incompetent

[timid latch]

Hell worse case ssh into a wsl instance running in on a windows machine

[glossy niche]

the actually competent teachers just sent us Legal ™️ links to watch game of thrones

and we picked up english like that

[glossy niche]

i thought of that but its kinda a stinky solution

[glossy niche]

[quasi blaze]

More like “dis” and “un”

How many more am I missing?

[timid latch]

What's the confusing part?

[glossy niche]

tens, hundreds, many of which are actually coming from other langauges

[glossy niche]

none, i just like that emote

[timid latch]

[glossy niche]

tho those prefixes arent very meaningful on their own

flammable imflammable

biweekly and uhhh

biweekly

[lament cairn]

it wasn't for me, had to learn those myself. those prefixes both look and mean similar things in portuguese so it wasnt that bad

[tardy rain]

you can count on english to not make any sense whatsoever

[solid elbow]

I really doubt you could find any fluent English speakers who don't know that "un" means not or "re" means again

even if you've never been taught that, I hear native speakers make up new words starting with "un" or "re" all the time

toaster didn't get the bread toasted enough? Gotta retoast it. Read some JSON out of a file and need to write it back? Gotta rejsonify it first

"unfuck" has been one of my favorite verbs since the first time I heard someone use it

"The AWS outage caused a bunch of different problems, and I've spent all day unfucking things"

[signal canopy]

it's weird, i don't even think about it

[solid elbow]

yeah, that's my point - there's a lot of prefixes and suffixes that you just internalize as you learn the language, even if you're never explicitly taught them

[young shoal]

noun verbification is my favorite

[solid elbow]

I've heard that's not a common thing in other languages

English speakers will casually turn any word into any part of speech

[young shoal]

on god

[thick osprey]

I only read the first half of this and was already reaching for my phone to see what had exploded before I read the context.

[lament cairn]

aws outage
imagine

[thick osprey]

the top five services I'd need to migrate were already in my head.

[foggy jungle]

We have an AWS bot that tells us when things are not... thinging.

Which is wonderful, because it is also the most active member of our chat.

[thick osprey]

I had a team put in a request for work for something similar. They wanted to route all AWS outage updates to a PagerDuty service so their on-call could be aware of the state of things. I wrote it. It lasted 33 minutes in production.

I was cackling the whole time.

[foggy jungle]

We have the same system. Occasionally you'll see an alert fire 8 times and the on-call person will just stare at Slack dismissing alerts for the next 15 minutes or whatever.

"Acknowledged by <blah>"

repeat ad nauseum.

One of my favorite parts about working with devs in my org is that I can see when someone pushes a fix that blows up prod, and then watch the chaos unfold in real time.

[thick osprey]

The only thing that I've laughed at harder than that with our PagerDuty setup (which I'm an admin of) was when the database teams ignored our advice.
us: "You want to allow the system to dedup and group your alerts"
them: "No, we need total awareness of all alerts. You don't understand."

I think it was just two days later a central control something went out. 600+ database hosts all screamed in panic. I'm told the on-call pager didn't stop for 40 minutes.

[foggy jungle]

[thick osprey]

odd but they called me the next day asking about deduplication and alert grouping.

[foggy jungle]

Yeah, what a coincidence. They must've went home, slept on it, and reconsidered in the morning.

[thick osprey]

Oh wait, there was that time that someone with access they didn't know they had created a custom alert on our metrics platform. They were looking for more than 1 message on a queue for more than 5 minutes for their tiny service which did like 1 message a week or something.

Yeah, they didn't scope the rule. I don't know the count of how many queues exist in our greater org but I do know they opened up roughly 1,500 incidents within three minuts.

First time I'd ever seen us get 429'ed at the enqueue endpoint for pagerduty.

Big companies are fun.

[foggy jungle]

This reminds me of when one of our detectors went rogue and decided to just… flag every event on all 25M systems simultaneously.

Shockingly, the infrastructure did not take kindly to what might potentially be the largest self imposed DoS in history.

[thick osprey]

Oh, infosec related: I remember the time someone ran a password scanner against our Active Directory. Testing a tool out or something.

Didn't see the little checkbox for "dry-run". Locked tens of thousands of services accounts out for various reasons. Brought the entire company to a stand-still. Hilarious.

[foggy jungle]

I feel bad when I respond to alerts like this.

“I have isolated all your domain controllers because some idiot ran the wrong command. Sorry.”

[young shoal]

the AD service accounts of all our microservices were locked because of a new security rule that was implemented

[lament cairn]

that seems like a lot of big fuckups for big companies

hm, big business big fuck up

[thick osprey]

The largest self imposed DoS in the history of the company I work with was one email containing two high resolution pictures of a kitten found in an ally and needing a home. The exchange servers melted with the forward/reply traffic.

[lament cairn]

that made no sense ok

[foggy jungle]

People keep bringing us on systems that are mid compromise, and it’s always enjoyable going “Ah. Well the problem seems to be that we are racing the ransomware to install our shit.”

[foggy jungle]

The USAF got a fun lesson in out of office reply-alls at some point during my tenure.

[lament cairn]

LOL was that kitten cc'd to the entire company or something
or was it all people replying to the kitty

[thick osprey]

big companies fuck up all. the. time.

[young shoal]

so do small companies. the small companies just die from them 🗿

[thick osprey]

Yes, they fired it off to "all company" and it just went down hill from there.

[foggy jungle]

One oppsie message sent to the entire USAF. Auto reply triggers and sends to the entire USAF. This auto reply triggers more auto replies. Suddenly doom.

[thick osprey]

The exchange servers weren't using a cached reference to the body of the email (the images). It was two, ridiculously large, image files times 30 thousands times however many times people hit reply-all "Please send me more info" or "Please remove me from this mailing list"

[carmine apex]

be might funny if that was sci stuff too

[thick osprey]

objectively hilarious

[thick osprey]

True. Harder to bounce back at the smaller scales.

[thick osprey]

Oh yeah.

Rumor has it, emails are still flowing today from misconfigured mailing servers replying to their own auto-reply.

[foggy jungle]

Some day I want to do netflow analysis at a colossal scale and see just how much traffic is inauthentic bs just bouncing around the electronic ether til the heat death of the universe

[lament cairn]

mercy killing random mail servers in the middle of nowhere

[solid elbow]

ey, there's that verbifying in action

[young shoal]

there's a channel with a slack bot called "Septa Wepta" and "Happy Septa" that announces train status

septa wepta has a 😭 profile picture and reports when trains are late

also. i remember when the TAs and RAs at my school were on strike. someone sent an email using the undergrad mailing list 😩. and everyone kept replying to everyone with "how do i get off the list" 😩

[granite tree]

Reminds me of my favorite outage. Watching Netflix while coding. Netflix stopped Netflix ing, and had some issues with ssh, so just went to bed on a Friday night. Turned out all of aws east 1 died a painful death that night. Took days to recover. Didnt trigger DR because systems were half available, so we spend 24 hours trying to bring servers up that would then fail a few hours later. Absolute chaos.

https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/outages/generator-fan-failure-triggered-aws-outage

[thick osprey]

Before my time in technology. I vaguely remember this one though.

[rocky prawn]

Heeelo!

[brazen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-its-me-gif-18359918

[rocky prawn]

Wassup "python with a cookie" ?

[brazen ingot]

i am lua

doing neat hbu

[drowsy rose]

the good thing about pixel art is that you dont need to do it correctly to make it look halfway good

[alpine tusk]

"correct art" is a bit of an oxymoron in the first place, don't you think?

[rough sapphire]

How so?

[alpine tusk]

because it expresses something, how can expression be correct or incorrect? it's basically an opinion

[acoustic moss]

you could define correctness as how well the art conveys the idea that the artist wanted to convey

[small coral]

sometimes pointers/references are just so convenient

[thick ore]

in low level code

mostly

[glossy niche]

mem safe pointers in go are part of the reason i find that langauge so interesting, but the boringness of it and the type system make it so that i avoid using it as a side project language

[small coral]

here's one place i need it in ```py
with self.check_method_call("name") as was_called:
... # some code

there could be a better way other than returning the closure cell... =∧=

if was_called.cell_contents:
...

[small coral]

did you just assume a language?? o.o

[glossy niche]

nooooooooooooo im just remarkling

[small coral]

anyways ```py
with self.check_method_call("name") as was_called:
... # some code

if ^was_called:
...

saves about... 1, 2, 3.. um.. 13 characters :>

and should be about 1.7x faster :D

(i'm bad at approximating)

[young shoal]

not really. try doing something in Python without indirection

[lament cairn]

mush

[glossy niche]

frame working

[lament cairn]

is this a job ad

or youtube tutorail

[tardy rain]

its a real job ad i found on linkedin

[lament cairn]

"real"

bet itll be like some guy on #python-discussion not too long ago that applied and got an email for a shady "corporate vpn"

[tardy rain]

its a recruitment agency called Dabster

so yes I imagine its fake

[glossy niche]

they probably want your contact info so they can send you ads lol

[harsh tundra]

That's a real mush here

[tardy rain]

read the requirements again in Sean Connery's voice

[harsh tundra]

Once a recruiter messaged me and called git a database

[tardy rain]

yesh mishter python dev, i exshpect you to know PyNum

[harsh tundra]

Technically they said "[python frame] working knowledge"
Because "frameworking" doesn't make sense and there would be more obvious problems than numpy (numpy is pretty robust, so depending on definition of framework it could fit... Pycharm never)
I see this as "python ecosystem" + "practical (as in work practice, vs edu or personal projects) knowledge", just weird wording/translation

Is pyunit a thing of they saw pytest and unittest and made it into pyunit?

!pypi pyunit

[royal lake]

PyUnit v1.4.1

PyUnit - a unit testing framework for Python

[harsh tundra]

Huh, does anyone actually use it?

[royal lake]

pynum v0.0.1

Playing with packages

Released on <t:1599409318:D>.

[harsh tundra]

Idk why bot didn't show release date, but this "pyunit" is from 2009 💀, only one release

On https://pyunit.sourceforge.net/ (linked as homepage) it says "Latest release: 1.4.1, 10th August 2001"

So the 2009 is just someone uploading it to pypi, but it's from 2001 💀

PyUnit is part of the Python 2.1 standard library

Huh?

[tardy rain]

🤔

[glossy niche]

smh i cannot SSH into my laptop from my phone

ssh keeps hanging

oh lmao

im having this problem on my termux session

[harsh tundra]

What os is the laptop? Have you checked the ssh from another computer first or even same computer?

[glossy niche]

i look up the issue after running ssh on verbose logs -vvv and arch users are having the same issue

[glossy niche]

mint latest version

it works from my PC but my phone is having an arch user moment

not really anything for working, im just messing around to learn SSH

hmmmmm it might be a router issue, i added -o IPQoS=none to my command and got a different error interesting

[harsh tundra]

I had to afk but now I scrolled further:

Update: Unless you're stuck in the year 2000, PyUnit is in your Python standard library as module unittest.

So that company above is stuck in 2000

[quasi blaze]

To the native English speakers that don’t have an English ancestry: Do you still feel connected to your ancestral background?

[lament cairn]

I remember seeing a project demo on youtube
It was about some robotics thing that someone made to track their cat across the room and stream it. it was a camera that could freely move around but was attached to the ceiling via some mechanism I don't quite remember

[glossy niche]

was the camera stationry but able to adjust the angle or was it like moving on a rail?

indoor upside down rails are so fucking based

unfourtunately the only application i only ever see ppl using them for is curtains

[lament cairn]

moving on rails i believe

[glossy niche]

wait acutally

it might have been one of these

for like movies sets

sounds perfect for that use case

[lament cairn]

fuck im trying to remember

i believe the thing the cam was attached to was an upscaled version of something used in 3d printers (not the traditional servo control or corexy, something different)

[glossy niche]

@lament cairn 40 characters is not too much, have you seen the german language? they have like 50 pronouns

[lament cairn]

ohmy fucking god my pc is becoming too slow for fucking youtube

[glossy niche]

time to install linux

:3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

[lament cairn]

no ill just swithc to another frontend

god i wish there was a lighter frontend that still had recommends and other shit

and not whatever invidious is

[lament cairn]

it mightve been pulleys and some other shit actually

[glossy niche]

less cool but still cool

rails on the ceiling has potential for the coolest robotics projects tbh

[lament cairn]

the thing i was talking about with the 3d printers is delta robots, this is probably too clunky to use for an entire room

[glossy niche]

like imagine glados but instead of adminiistering fart looking neurotoxin

she goes around

and sprays

uhhhh

air freshener

[lament cairn]

im just gonna start throwing random keywords at youtube and hope something shows up

yep its completely beyond me

okay fuck

[glossy niche]

u use a yt frontend right?

[lament cairn]

god damn it it was such a cool looking project with such a weird purpose

[glossy niche]

so i guess searching history wont work for u?

[lament cairn]

im using normal yt

[glossy niche]

oh

[lament cairn]

but i have search history disabled on yt i think

yea i do

idk why

[glossy niche]

"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"
"how to exit vim"

[quasi blaze]

Anyone anyone?

[tardy rain]

The chances someone's a first gen immigrant arent that high

Should wait a bit more

[young shoal]

why first gen immigrant?

[plucky ridge]

Nope. I don't think about ancestry that much

[tardy rain]

At least first gen then

[plucky ridge]

At least from the American standpoint, if your family has been here for generations, I don't get the fascination or obsession with heritage. I mean it's neat for sure, but some people wear it with pride which feels silly to me. "My great-great-great-grandfather came over here from [insert country here] and my nth-great-grandmother came from [insert other country here]. So I'm like 3.45% [insert country of ancestral origin]." Like... Cool

Oh took me a second to see why the bot added the reaction

[low chasm]

I'm a native English speaker, and I was born in the U.S., but my parents immigrated here from India. I do feel like I'm fairly connected to my cultural background, I grew up speaking my mother tongue, and eating Indian food, watching Bollywood movies, etc. we'd also visit family in India every other year. It also helps that I'm surrounded with a very large community of south Asians where I live, and so a large number of my friends have the same background I do, and we'd frequently go to events and get togethers. A third of my school is probably south Asian, lol.

A thing parents did when I was younger was refuse to respond to me unless I talked to them in our mother tongue (Urdu), which forced me to learn the language.

[vivid abyss]

Well that was wild

[tardy rain]

🤨

[graceful basin]

!mute @vivid abyss a channel being silenced is not an invitation to move the conversation elsewhere

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @vivid abyss until <t:1718379655:f> (1 hour).

[distant iris]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-kendrick-lamar-drizzy-bbl-drizzy-gif-5461673940475454950

[karmic gust]

please dont spam memes across every channel

[pliant nexus]

the meme wars have already ended, you cant continue this

[distant iris]

oh i forgot

[pliant nexus]

- Germany 1939

[distant iris]

world war 2 i think

[pliant nexus]

yep, hoi4 really helped with history 💀

did you know about the hungarian assult on vladivostok?

💀

[distant iris]

no

[distant iris]

i only know about the nazi and h1tler

[pliant nexus]

thats supposed to be point 💀
the joke is that vladivostok was on the other side of the of the nation, past siberia to which it was impossible for hungary to ever reach

vladivostok is near korea

hungary is south of Czechia

[distant iris]

i just got smarter

[hearty violet]

I'm gonna create my own country in russia

they don't need all that land

[distant iris]

fr

[pliant nexus]

siberia is best for that

[distant iris]

siberia is only 5,100,000 sq mi

[pliant nexus]

a large amount of mineral resources, little to know colonization, yet

perfect for setting up a autocratic, militarist and warmongering state where the state is just a vessel for the military

[distant iris]

true

[pliant nexus]

so? i wouldnt trust anybody here with 1 sq mi

[pliant nexus]

wait a minute..... isnt that just prussia? 💀 /j

[distant iris]

nah

wait is greece still real

[pliant nexus]

no, they are just a extension of Macedon

which is just a extension of bulgaria

💀

[distant iris]

so much extension

[pliant nexus]

poor @distant iris got boykissered

[terse skiff]

you're the boy kisser

[pliant nexus]

i survived, ahahhahahahahhah

wait shit no

you used the reply thing

[terse skiff]

I replied to you💀

yeah

[distant iris]

☠️

[pliant nexus]

you know what..... if i look like that i'm smashing myself

[granite tree]

Knock this nonsense off. You guys know this isn't this kind of channel.

[pliant nexus]

💀

[distant iris]

am confuesed

[pliant nexus]

actual 1984 /j

[distant iris]

it was from google

[terse skiff]

the channel is off topic I believe this is indeed not python related so it's ot

imo

watch me get muted

[pliant nexus]

i'm kinda confused too, what was the issue with the with setting up a colony in russia?

[tardy rain]

justified tbh

[distant iris]

fr

i need a new history teacher

[pliant nexus]

seriously though, what was that warning for?

[tardy rain]

the cringe meme posting

[pliant nexus]

?

those memes were relevent

[tardy rain]

.

[pliant nexus]

.

[distant iris]

..

[pliant nexus]

they were relevent to the conversation

[tardy rain]

your conversation was also cringe

[honest star]

It still has to abide by our code of conduct

[pliant nexus]

thats not something to be warned for, but i agree

[distant iris]

who listen hamliton

[terse skiff]

gulp

[tardy rain]

its cringe to me, its worthy of a warning to the mods

[distant iris]

WTF

[pliant nexus]

i dont mean any hostility by this but which msg was against the code? the comment about prussia or the thing that lyra sent?

[distant iris]

yea history

[pliant nexus]

i agreed to the the fact that it was cringe 💀

[distant iris]

Prussia was a German state located on most of the North European Plain, also occupying southern and eastern regions. It formed the German Empire when it united the German states in 1871.

[honest star]

Whatever the convo was after lyra's picture is very borderline

[pliant nexus]

ahhhh

that explains it

[pliant nexus]

we can continue on our topic of creating a ||fascist|| colony in siberia then 💀 /j

[distant iris]

ok

[pliant nexus]

anyway, siberia is a bit too cold, some more global warming is needed at a faster rate

[plucky ridge]

Literal hot take

[pliant nexus]

quick! start more wildfires in australia !

[distant iris]

frrr

[pliant nexus]

and brazil

[distant iris]

bro what about the kololas

and kangroos

[pliant nexus]

they can live in the 2m sq cells we build for them near the ring of fire in the pacific

perfect temperature

[distant iris]

atleast they live

[pliant nexus]

not for long 💀

didnt you read where we would be building them?

[distant iris]

☠️

[pliant nexus]

.ringoffire

[distant iris]

nah

[pliant nexus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire

perfect place for a zoo

their screams will power monster .inc

[distant iris]

yea send all the animals to to astrilla

[plucky ridge]

Like...

Can we not talk about trying to set an entire country on fire and listening to the animals suffer?

I'm genuinely surprised I even have to say that

[distant iris]

no i meant to save them

[plucky ridge]

Gogi wasn't, however

[distant iris]

☠️

[rough sapphire]

The most expensive ring you know of

[pliant nexus]

i would sell it off to our alien overlords

[tardy rain]

Fun fact, the overwhelming majority of koalas suffer from chlamydia

[distant iris]

ussr