ot1-perplexing-regexing

[limpid lynx]

i dont like socialising

[strange blade]

I have 0 irl friends here though...

[limpid lynx]

you'll make some as time goes by

[strange blade]

I'm too awkward.

[limpid lynx]

nice

[hearty vigil]

convince? 💀

[strange blade]

Also, carpal tunnel anyone? 🖐️

[limpid lynx]

no

just no

[strange blade]

I sometimes get scared when my wrist feels weird.

Like right now

So I start waving it.

And it feels weirder

It's like a weird pain

[timid latch]

Maybe not the best term, but I don't really like the doctor I have so I almost feel like I have to fake it a bit to actually get to somebody I can trust

[limpid lynx]

the ghost tryna wave back

[strange blade]

lol

[hearty vigil]

i see

[timid latch]

Kind of interesting reading that document (I got a copy as well),

viv has difficulty focusing... Etc etc

[strange blade]

my wrist does feel weird though...

i don't like this feeling.

ouch

ahh

[timid latch]

Typing too much?

[strange blade]

probably

i'm scared

it's like ringing in your ear feeling

but it's a tingle

and it's in your wrist

and it sometimes hurts

mainly feels sours

like bittersour

ahh

[timid latch]

Is the air heavy to breath?
You might be lacking oxygen

[strange blade]

cant shift

[strange blade]

umm

kinda

it always is tho

ahh my head

i shouldn't have changed positions 😭

[timid latch]

I always get all tingly when I am running out of oxygen

[strange blade]

This will sound incredibly weird

but it's like a tinglegasm

down my spine

And the sour pain in my wrist.

And more tingles in my chest

etc

[timid latch]

You aren't cutting off circulation anywhere?

[strange blade]

noh

hopefullt no

idk

My sitting position could have compressed my body

a tiny weeny bit

because nobody knows how to sit properly at home

i'm panicking

this doesnt help

my wrist nor the breathing

It's not like usual. It's like I'm getting normal breaths but also lacking them as well.

Sometimes holding my breath helps.

[timid latch]

Open a window

[jovial oriole]

But the a meter is defined as the distance light travels in 1/2999729458 seconds. Humans defined that

[timid latch]

Get some fresh air

[strange blade]

Metre?

[strange blade]

okay

[timid latch]

I mean the second and meter were defined before that using less precise definitions

[strange blade]

Ahh, It's 9:18 pm tho

that'll be so sus

[jovial oriole]

bruh

yall are cia agents

[strange blade]

no

[jovial oriole]

Cant trust anyone these days smh

[marble bay]

We switched to more precise ones though

[strange blade]

I'm not knowledgeable.

It's just my opinion.

[timid latch]

Sure, but those are based on the imprecise ones

[strange blade]

coincidence

[marble bay]

No? The second is now defined w.r.t caesium vibrations

Meter w.r.t the second

[timid latch]

I mean, we defined them in a way that would match the older models. We didn't completely change the length of a meter

[marble bay]

Fair

[strange blade]

Ahh.

[timid latch]

Why did we "pick" 29999729458? Because that most closely matched the current model

[strange blade]

Air.

It should probably be added in the next beta update.

Anyway. I've got to go pretend to sleep and stuff so that I don't get in trouble.

I'm going to get bashed for being on discord all day tomorrow.

Mother was wayy too quiet today.

Gn guys.

[marble bay]

Good luck, soldier

[hearty vigil]

good night

[timid latch]

Gn

[marble bay]

Gn

[feral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/jjgr-jojo-golden-records-clinomi-gif-25989171

might have adhd as well

not diagnosed no health insurance too

:)

https://youtu.be/wEqYoL37elY

[undone thorn]

helluva boss slaps

[hearty vigil]

@timid latch is that error message good enough?.. (?<name> is a conditional block and has to be closed with ;)

[timid latch]

I would say so, my errors are similar, let me cook one up

actually I have one atm as I havent implemented struct parsing yet:

[hearty vigil]

i didnt think i'd be able to catch this type of errors, but right before i started making next block... i realised that i want to rewrite my "lookahead" function 💀
(function that searches for the corresponding symbol that closes the block)

and somehow it works, almost first try 🗣️

[timid latch]

heres a error that is closer to what you had

[hearty vigil]

first try ended up like this (was a simple logical error though, fixed in 2 seconds)

[timid latch]

best way to share code

[hearty vigil]

i hope nobody will pause to look at my goofy ahh code 💀

[timid latch]

I swaped the order of two vars once and EVERYTHING broke

actually I can recreate it

[hearty vigil]

💀

[timid latch]

basically I swapped the order of the parent and sub types in the type system, so it was basically saying: "if the value is a subtype of the return type: error"

which leads to funny errors like "cant return 0..0 from functionn returning 0..255"

[bleak lintel]

my logging is so great

i am the logging king

[timid latch]

always love a good log

[bleak lintel]

1.2 mil logs pumped into Loki

wait i lied

2.2 million

[young shoal]

🤨

[carmine apex]

[bleak lintel]

thats a lot of logs!

[thick osprey]

At least 2, for sure.

[bleak lintel]

noisiest services

[vale raven]

The... blog is #2?

[bleak lintel]

ya it prob logs every request

whereas site only logs 404s

[vale raven]

huh

[hearty vigil]

@timid latch dataclasses are actually OP... (on the screenshot: all instructions are classes, and i didn't make __repr__ for any of them)

[hybrid pivot]

what does repr do again

[hearty vigil]

returns a str that represents your object

[wicked haven]

Debug representation for objects

[hybrid pivot]

ohh okay

[wicked haven]

Fallback for if __str__ doesn't exist or when using repr()

[hybrid pivot]

i still dont get it but ill look it up soon

ty

[hearty vigil]

if you'll look in the terminal on my screenshot, all of that got printed out just by using a simple for loop

    for instruction in main.instruction_stack:
        print(instruction)
        print('=' * 64)

(and by default representation looks like <object Object at something>)

[hybrid pivot]

wait are you writing an interpretter for ur own language

i saw some video about it a few minutes ago

[hearty vigil]

maybe you tried to print some object once and it printed out somewhat similiar to <object Object at something>

[hearty vigil]

yeah!

[hybrid pivot]

mhm

[hybrid pivot]

thats sick dude goodluck

[hearty vigil]

thank you! even though i already nearly finished it

ive doen pretty much every hard part

[hybrid pivot]

very impressive

[hearty vigil]

here's what i've done right now

the repeat block (a [...])
in python it would be

for _ in range(a):
    ...

and here's the hello world 🤯

[fresh basalt]

that's fun

[lament cairn]

https://vxtwitter.com/yukino_lr/status/1778391819732287492.mp4

Today's training 🥩
Skye having her dreads loosened by her grandson🐾

[hearty vigil]

@timid latch well...... recursion... didn't go very well...

[strange blade]

oof

[foggy jungle]

Cat catcat

[strange blade]

hilarious

🥲

[hearty vigil]

even had to build a debugger for that 😎

[strange blade]

Nice

[rough sapphire]

hi yall i like toasters. im cruising for my first star on github for some ropey python. (dopamine)

[strange blade]

My nose bled when you sent that

Coincidence

[hearty vigil]

😭

[strange blade]

It's fine, I only choked on a bit of blood.

[hearty vigil]

@timid latch finally, here it is (sorry for the millionth ping)

recursion works 😭

[strange blade]

It's morning for them right now.

So maybe lay down on the pings

[hearty vigil]

for me as well

[strange blade]

like 6am or smth

[hearty vigil]

same

[strange blade]

ahh

you need rest

[hearty vigil]

well... 💀

i think im gonna have it now

[hearty vigil]

anyways, check out the vid!! its cool!!! (🤯)

[lament cairn]

#python-discussion message
willy's chocolate experience

[rough sapphire]

i like it 🙂

[onyx mist]

Question

When writing a compiler

Is it the tokenisers that’s difficult, the translation that’s difficult, or knowing assembly that’s difficult

I’m suspecting it’s the latter?

[glossy niche]

you dont need to know asm to write a compiler, you can compile to another language e.g. C

many compilers compile things down to JS e.g. typescript

[onyx mist]

Im writing this in C++

[glossy niche]

the "translation" part is acutally several different steps

[onyx mist]

Can I use C++ to translate to C++

[glossy niche]

welp, now you need to know asm i guess

[onyx mist]

Yup

I mean it’ll be fun

I’ll learn new things i would’ve probably never come across

[glossy niche]

pasrsing can get quite complicated

[onyx mist]

Part of the journey then

[glossy niche]

the book i studied on this topic in uni was the "dragon book" as everyone calls it

[onyx mist]

Why

[glossy niche]

because it has a dragon on its cover

[onyx mist]

Oh

[glossy niche]

one issue with the book that people sometimes mention that i can agree on is that it relies on BNF for the parser, you dont need to do that, you can learn parsing without that

its helpful to know, but might confuse some people

[onyx mist]

I’ll try my best

[glossy niche]

good luck

[onyx mist]

This may be challenging

But

Idk kinda wanna make an impressive project to show off to Uni

I’ll feel great if I finish

I’ve made like

A prototype of this language of

*if

Fuck

Nevermind

But yeah

The syntax isn’t what I want to use in the C++ version but it was a good starting point

It was ASS

like the prototype code was atrocious

Actually is it possible to write the tokeniser in a separate language like JavaScript

Wait no

Nevermind

If I run this on C++, will I have to like

Make people install C++

To run this

Or can I create my own package manager

[onyx mist]

Am I yapping

[high shadow]

I don’t think so

[small coral]

originally sent at :56

okay

why does discord work for me here

[acoustic moss]

why does using c++ stop you from translating to c++

[indigo canyon]

Yoo

[indigo canyon]

Hello

[acoustic moss]

hi

[indigo canyon]

I’m kinda new to this python thing

[indigo canyon]

Could you give me tips cause I WANA be a game developer

[acoustic moss]

you can check the pins in #game-development for resources

[fresh basalt]

@indigo canyon There's a #game-development channel you can ask in. There are probably some really good resources listed in the pinned messages there.

jinx

[indigo canyon]

Thxs

[acoustic moss]

why use many word when few word do trick

[fresh basalt]

You're welcome, good luck Slickstar

[indigo canyon]

True

[indigo canyon]

Thxs

[hearty vigil]

thanks

[glossy niche]

well you can do that i guess

C++++

[mental violet]

when the maths github when the math

[rough sapphire]

[void hamlet]

!e

String = "this is an Apple"
for word in String:
print(word)

[cobalt remnant]

those are characters you're printing, not words

[fringe rain]

Just got an amazing anime recommendation from ChatGPT

Never would have expected it, but I did try really hard in the conversation to point it in the right direction

Took about ~6 exchanges before the perfect match

I consider it amazing because I've watched over 200 already and I was afraid it'd suggest something I've already tried

CGPT is from now on my goto for show finding

[gritty zinc]

what was the recommendation 😩

[tardy rain]

waiting for it too

inb4 yet another isekai

[gritty zinc]

what's the anime equivalent of rickrolling

inb4 school days

[tardy rain]

nichijou?

i have no clue

probably a jojo season

[rough sapphire]

prefer toasters to anime, it all looks the same to me. caveat: am old.

[tardy rain]

@fringe rain bro spill

[timid latch]

Bowling is going well

[young shoal]

MP?

[timid latch]

Me

I had to draw on a tiny phone screen okay

(also went ahead and missed 6 times more times in a row after that)

it was a ... bad round for me

[young shoal]

put the guard rails on 😩

[timid latch]

I did for the second round

I used up all my luck on that spare

[eternal depot]

Wow... You all are... Not good

[timid latch]

hey one person got 3 strikes in a row... somehow

[eternal depot]

I suggest you... Not quit your day job to take up bowling professionally

[timid latch]

I wasnt planning to

[tardy rain]

I absolutely crush the gf every time we go bowling

[grave cove]

ayo what

[tardy rain]

Or do any hand operated activity really

[grave cove]

oh nvm

[tardy rain]

Strike first strike hard
No mercy

[rough sapphire]

SKIBIDI TOILET IS RUINING MY LIFE

[exotic marten]

fr?

FR

[rough sapphire]

FRFR

I was trying to listen to Metros and Futures new Album and I shit you not, Skibidi Toilet was playing in my head the ENTIRE time.

[rough sapphire]

#1228528570565918752
#discord-bots

[rough sapphire]

@uneven pine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TirKBifH3Wg&ab_channel=MemeyPie

[fringe rain]

Oh it was RE:Creator, but it was perfect for me - might not be the thing for you
Heres the convo; https://chat.openai.com/share/837199df-87a7-4b1e-9ca6-5ec57e818e8c

[strange blade]

A jojo stand

Sticky Fingers

https://tenor.com/view/sticky-fingers-power-jojos-bizarre-adventures-jjba-zipper-man-gif-16195767

https://jojowiki.com/Sticky_Fingers

[rough sapphire]

You read Steel Ball Run yet? Cuz that part gave me . . .Conniptions, but ONLY regarding stats.

otherwise it was literally perfection.

[tardy rain]

Oh i think i've seen the first couple eps on crunchyroll

Not really into it

[strange blade]

lol

[strange blade]

I think you did a misclick

It's fine

I've never watched Jojo's

[tardy rain]

🤨

Im talking about re;monster

[strange blade]

ahh

And

[tardy rain]

Its okayish

[strange blade]

I've never

[tardy rain]

Dont remember much

[strange blade]

watched

[strange blade]

ahh

Yup

[strange blade]

When did you last watch it?

[tardy rain]

Yesterday maybe or a couple days ago

It was basically background noise

Idk maybe i should pay more attention

[strange blade]

Yesterday 💀

I've forgotten what I did this morning

Yesterday didn't exist

April is all an April Fool's Joke.

The government is fooling us.

[tardy rain]

I sure hope it has been

[strange blade]

Same

April has been rock bottom

Except I've got power tools, and it's just going down.

[fringe rain]

But im talking about re:creator

🥴

[tardy rain]

What

Did i get it wrong

[strange blade]

Ahh

So I was correct

[strange blade]

It indeed was a misclick + misread.

I was confused at first.

Didn't realise crunchyroll had a github.

Well... it doesn't matter.

Re:monster is boring.

[fringe rain]

darn, i was planning to try that next

[fringe rain]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing message

[tardy rain]

https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/GNVHKN952

Oh, i did get it wrong

[fringe rain]

ngl the show probably isnt that great but not everything can be jjk
but its definitely watchable and entertaining which is a bit thing for me

[tardy rain]

Kekmao

[fringe rain]

for example, i couldnt watch eminence of shadow after a point even though its considered great by many

[tardy rain]

Yea my b

[strange blade]

can't

no way

Well, I guess the development is better than some... questionable animes.

[tardy rain]

Anyway re:monster manga is pretty good

[strange blade]

Yeah.

[fringe rain]

im planning to read oshi no ko manga

well technically i alr did

[strange blade]

Oshi No Ko has dug a huge hole in my heart

The first episode in and I'm already rick rolled

[fringe rain]

but after the anime, which left out quite a bit from the manga, im into it again

[fringe rain]

did you watch the next episodes?

[strange blade]

I did

It made me happier.

But I swear. Fattest rick roll of my life.

[stark rivet]

why is this labeled Haskell unemployment?

[strange blade]

!topic

[royal lake]

Off-topic channels

There are three off-topic channels:

• #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval
• #ot1-perplexing-regexing
• #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

The channel names change every night at midnight UTC and are often fun meta references to jokes or conversations that happened on the server.

See our off-topic etiquette page for more guidance on how the channels should be used.

[stark rivet]

sort of odd

I'm hanging around with Julia community these days

[strange blade]

I think it brings in some fun

And reminds us that PyDis staff are totally serious about their job all the time.

[stark rivet]

Yeah, it's weird, Julia seemed like a halfway house for when I was pissed off at Haskell community

I mean Julia community

I think it's a Lisp / Common Lisp issue, though

[acoustic moss]

julia is very based

[rough sapphire]

yeah

[jaunty wraith]

cat

[glossy niche]

last time i tried using it, it was terribly slow

apparently i was trying to do a non array task and its better for arrays?

[acoustic moss]

what were u doing

ime its very easy to do something the slow way in julia

[glossy niche]

trying to solve a convoluted group theory problem

combinatorics

[acoustic moss]

but tbf those are well documented and theres good profiling tools

[glossy niche]

i see

[acoustic moss]

and then u get to enjoy dopamine hits from optimizing

[glossy niche]

sounds like a bad language design to me

gets the optimization addicts all riled up

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-battle-fight-gif-24829111

[glossy niche]

[glossy niche]

this mf was legit a good villain

[rough sapphire]

uhhh, so Frieren. You uuhhhh. . . caught up on the manga, or. . . ? ^^;

[fringe rain]

KungFu Panda 4 was actually really good

Definitely worth the watch

I was afraid it would be cringe cause it was targeted towards a younger audience, but it wasn't at all

You could tell it was made for a younger audience, but very well made nevertheless

Interesting and engaging, good movie

[limpid lynx]

@fringe rain ive been thinking about you from am to pm, so i decided to dm 😉

rate the rizz ?/10

[fringe rain]

7/10, very good

[rough sapphire]

3/10

[young shoal]

doesn't everyone recommend salt water

[floral viper]

Salt is generally very good for infections. Works on infected wounds as well, just bathe em in salt water for a bit.

[green pelican]

dont listen to them i just poured salt crystals into an open wound IT DOES NOT HELP

i feel the need to add /s but i hope i dont have to

but its a programming discord server so

[floral viper]

When it comes to an infected wound it paradoxically hurts less afterwards

Not throwing pure salt on it, you mix it in water. Hurts a bit, but not too bad imo.

[tardy rain]

You can

Gargle TCP

[young shoal]

alcohol is not ideal, actually, since it will disrupt your body's IR. just soap and water is fine

[tardy rain]

Would not recommend

[flint ginkgo]

Heya

[floral viper]

You don't use alcohol in wounds. You wash em with salinated water.

Also, should be stated, I'm no doctor haha

Alcohol is good for killing bacteria on the skin, not in wounds

Definitely a good thing to know, you never know when you might need it

[fresh basalt]

fire is better for that

You could prime the area with alcohol first just to be on the safe side though.

[vale raven]

What if I want my limb to still work after the cleansing?

[fresh basalt]

I'd say it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it as well.

[fresh basalt]

so you don't want your limbs or the cake?

I don't think we've seen the same medieval torture if that's what you think it is.

[fresh basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYLk3IAkP3Q

One of my favorite YouTube channels

great history content

Medieval torture has nothing on biblical torture anyways.

Scaphism is brutal.

[vale raven]

.wa s scaphism

[median dome]

Wolfram Alpha

Failed to get response.

[vale raven]

Probably a good thing

[fresh basalt]

It's an ancient Egyptian thing.

two small boats, one inverted (on top) of the other

it's bury-them-near-an-anthill type of torture

savory cake

[round pendant]

i feel personally harassed by the otn

[fresh basalt]

You should message ModMail about it. Then the admins will gather around and snicker.

[primal herald]

@high verge re: #python-discussion message
They're 'similar' in the sense that Korean and English are both phonetic (so each letter has a specific sound) but it's much more consistent in Korean
Other than that, they're more or less completely different (e.g. Korean combines letters to form characters, and each character is always 1 syllable)

[lament cairn]

hey

[grave cove]

peek

[onyx mist]

Question

Is LLVM considered too heavyweight?

And also, is it possible to like

Well not possible

Is it recommended to write my own version of LLVM if I don’t want to use it and are there any alternatives

[onyx mist]

should I use Beam

[onyx mist]

JIT

Yeah but if you look at shit like rust

Compile time is slow

And that shit runs on LLVM

What’s numba

Oh

I’m looking for a more rapid alternative than LLVM

Not within the context of Python no

C++

Yeah

Wdym

No I’m not talking about compiling C++

I’m looking to make a programming language out of it

Oh

But it’s because rust is technically… I guess for a lack of better wording, at the mercy of LLVM

So LLVM should be technically fine right

Compile time shouldn’t be too much of a hassle?

Julia, Rust, and

Wdym by that

Ohh

Sure thing

Sounds like a good idea

What’s G++ btw

I kinda forgot

Only for CPP?

So is it like a LLVM for C++

Honestly real

Idk half the shit in reading most of the time

I should probably do some more in depth research

Before I go any further

Wouldn’t a interpreter be pretty difficult to write

If youre writing syntax for your language and something goes wrong whilst interpreting, you wouldn’t know if it was your code syntax that went wrong or if it was actually your interpreter code

I wanted to stick with compiled because if one wanted to build an app with my language they wouldn’t have to add “download the language” as a requirement

It can just be bundled into an executable

And also I actually need to give thought into what my coding language wants to achieve

Honestly this shit is for the university applications when the time comes

Yeah you’re right

I’ll do that

Ight Ight

What’re you thinking of making your language do

Oooh interesting

Something similar to Mojo

?

Oh

What about the syntax

Icic

Best of luck then man

[marble bay]

llvm isn't the reason rust takes millenia to compile btw

the borrow checker has to check your dependencies as well

[onyx mist]

Oh

What’s a borrow checker again

[marble bay]

the thing that allows you to write memory safe* code without a garbage collector or malloc-like functions

[sharp jasper]

borrowck is one of the fast passes in rustc

Generally speaking rust code takes as long to compile as comparably complex c++

Iirc the linker is usually the bottleneck when profiled

Which is why there's interest in pre link time optimizations like pruning to simplify the linker's job

the other thing to note is that rust code often relies on lots of generics, to an extent that other languages rarely do, and there's no upper limit on how complex generic code can be nor can it be precompiled in dependencies

[jaunty wraith]

also, alternative linkers like mold

[sharp jasper]

Indeed

[onyx mist]

Ah I see

So it is LLVM’s fault

Mhm mhm. This is all really useful, but I’m starting to wonder if compile time really is a huge deal

Like ik I go on and on abt it but

Surely when you execute the program it doesn’t mayter

Since it’s already been compiled?

Ah.

Mhm

Also a kind of separate question

When translating into machine code how do you create an executable file out of it

[onyx mist]

Oh

Should I include that when I write the compiler lol

Thanks

At least you honest LOL

Mhm

I’ll do more research

… I see…?

Mhm

But it doesn’t have the exe extension

And also doesn’t it write to an .o file

So I could just let the user do it

Actually nah that’s kinda annoying

Pffft

I guess I’ll just add something like chmod- okay now I regret leaving the rust discord server.

Gotta have to ask them how this exe magic works

I’m learning ASM

I’m a

Fucking idiot

i forgot linkers existed

[frozen crane]

Inheritance is legitimized code obfuscation

This is what's known as the "Stelercus inheritance is legitimized code obfuscation principal"

[marble bay]

*principle

🏃

[frozen crane]

No

I'm the principal

[marble bay]

okden

[frozen crane]

Of legitimized code obfuscation

[marble bay]

so "Stelercus [is] inheritance is legitimized code obfuscation['s] principal"

[frozen crane]

Sure

[fringe rain]

binged 13 already

[harsh tundra]

What is that anime?

[paper sequoia]

Pong when you find out, I'm curious as well

[fringe rain]

Re:Creator

I consider it an amazing suggestion because

1. It came from ChatGPT
2. I havent watched it (Ive watched many, so i was expecting some mainstream recs)
3. It filled my criteria that i specified perfectly (visually stunning and engaging)
   https://chat.openai.com/share/837199df-87a7-4b1e-9ca6-5ec57e818e8c

Dunno if it felt motivated to bring about such a grand suggestion because I stroked its ego before stating my query first 🥴

[graceful basin]

Re:Creator is really good

[onyx mist]

My ass thought that was COTE

[fringe rain]

Definitely similar titles with the proverbs haha

[thick ore]

anyone notice how sebastian lague's code is so readable

[strange blade]

The ot name for this channel looks incredibly wrong

As bad as the font change discord made

[glossy niche]

I have all of his channel in watch later and I have watched none of his videos so far

[rare sapphire]

[full needle]

anyone wanna help me out w/ the google sheets api using curl? i can read data and cell values by doing something like curl -s https://sheets.googleapis.com/v4/spreadsheets/$SHEET_ID/values/$SHEET_RANGE?key=$API_KEY but when you try to do a curl -s -X PUT -d '{"values":[["0"]]}' it fails with a 401 telling you to use credentials rather than api keys. Googles website suggests doing a curl -H "Authorization: Bearer $(gcloud auth print-access-token)" BUT i cant use gcloud its too big of an install being at like 1gb for the device im running this on. I only have 30mb open ram and 7mb open hdd space. Can I do this w/o gcloud application somehow?

i need to get that auth bearer somehow

[harsh tundra]

Why curl and not e.g. Python and requests?
There are probably also libs that nicely handle Google api stuff without having to install gcloud

[full needle]

I have 30mb open ram and 7 MB open hdd space.

I must use built in os components or very miniscule packages

Python is massive my dude

[harsh tundra]

You're in python discord, so you'll get python suggestions 🤷

If you have that little ram usable, I'd honestly first recommend cleaning the system

[fresh basalt]

You can open up a help thread

see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[harsh tundra]

They're for python, and OP just said they don't want python.

[fresh basalt]

If they want a Python answer they can open a help thread though.

[full needle]

Me: how do I use curl

You: use python

So helpful

[fresh basalt]

You're on a Python Discord Araye.

[harsh tundra]

I didn't say "use python", I said "why use curl when python could do that easier and clearer"

[fresh basalt]

You're also asking for help in the equivalent of the break room.

[full needle]

You are worse than stack overflow memes

[harsh tundra]

You answered why not python and I didn't pursue the topic, other than saying this might not be the best place

[fresh basalt]

#tools-and-devops or #unix might be more suitable

[harsh tundra]

They're also for python

The whole server beside ot channels are for python. Ot channels are for offtopic and that may include python

If one needs help with gcloud stuff, the best way would be to ask in a server related to google products (if it exists)

[marble bay]

with that low an amount of free space, 10-20 files in /tmp might just lead your system to crash or halt due to running out of disk space

[full needle]

K?

[marble bay]

I'd suggest using ncdu and weeding out what is taking up space, and remove the stuff you don't need first

[full needle]

I guarantee you have devices with just as little space

Its kind of what the world runs on

[fresh basalt]

What's that got to do with anything?

You are rather abrasive.

[full needle]

You have turned me this way.

[harsh tundra]

^That's why I said cleaning the system would be a good idea. So little ram and free space is really weird especially for dealing with a massive api like Google api

[full needle]

I'll just come back in a few hours when dances isn't around smh

[fresh basalt]

What?

I didn't do anything.

[young shoal]

your presence is enough

[harsh tundra]

But we don't use our fridges to use Google api

There's MicroPython but that's more of #microcontrollers thing than trying to fit editing Google api stuff on such small device

[fresh basalt]

I could just leave.

[marble bay]

what is the total amount of space you have? if you really are that short, try a lighter distro

[full needle]

The fridges access other apis tho.

[marble bay]

(and no, I have plenty of free space)

[fresh basalt]

I'm really too old to deal with Discord drama.

[full needle]

Curls are all you need

[full needle]

Your fridge your microwave your Alexa you everything do not.

[harsh tundra]

But Google api requires an annoying auth that is hard to do manually with curl only

[full needle]

Well, I'm discovering that lol

[marble bay]

they are stripped down a lot to ensure they don't just stop.

[harsh tundra]

Idea:

• first make it work with whatever you can on normal computer, may be python and some libs that deal with gcloud api
• after it works, go through the lib's source and see how they handled the api, translate it to bash/sh and curl
• translate your own python code part into curl

With python it would be easier to make it work at all, like easily tying multiple requests together, taking cookies or headers from one thing and forwarding them to another thing, etc

Since doing both the "make it work" and "make it minimal/curl" at the same time is tricky

[full needle]

Fair

[full needle]

Adding a simple Google sheet update cell sh script won't break my fridge smh let me live in 2024 and do Google sheet work on my fridges microcontroller

That's a smart idea tho nicky

[marble bay]

🤔

[harsh tundra]

But even a lot of routers have just enough space and memory to run whatever is installed on them and nothing more. Like openwrt installs usually require a bit more than cheapest options if you want to add any extensions to the basic thing. So the original system router had, had to be super small as well

That "free" space or ram on any device you don't fully control might be for logs/temp files/ram spikes that sometimes happen but normally aren't there

[full needle]

That's why I'm not adding extensions

[marble bay]

bouncing off of this, why not give the gcloud docs a read and find where it gets the auth token from in the first place?

[full needle]

Curl is built in

And a sh text file is like 1kb

So the 7mb open space is enough

[marble bay]

aha

https://cloud.google.com/sdk/gcloud/reference/auth

this may or may not work

do you have anything that is online 24/7 and is large enough for the gcloud cli?

[full needle]

No

That's why I'm using my fridge

It's always online

😎

Raspberry pis are so 2015

[marble bay]

🤷

I'm all out of ideas then

[full needle]

i think i may have found a way to get bearer w/ curl if it still works https://stackoverflow.com/a/72579959

[harsh tundra]

Omg. I realised I haven't shown http://purrli.com/ to my current cat. That was nice, he investigated the phone and purred some as well.
But while I was writing this message, the catto decided he wants to play (maybe because we sometimes let him play with family cat of similar age) and started biting my toes. XD

[marble bay]

even if it doesn't, whatever gcloud uses ought to be a public api (so libraries for programming languages can use it), so I'm sure you can find it with a little digging (unless there's an obfuscation method I'm unaware of that can make the api 100% invisible)

[full needle]

tis true

[jovial oriole]

Are we cooking chat?

[grave cove]

bro burnt the food

[vale raven]

"Snapchat"

turns monitor away from door

[cobalt remnant]

Why not Flatpakchat?

[vocal oyster]

embed failure laugh at this user

[reef goblet]

You burned the kitchen down

[rough sapphire]

Who let bro cook?

[grave cove]

my fault team 😔

[marble bay]

NativeChat

[sacred galleon]

yo anyone know how to download pytorch on amd gpu

[marble bay]

#data-science-and-ml might be of help, from a quick Google search, AMD has ROCm which is the equivalent of CUDA for NVIDIA but I couldn't find (or understand) how you'd go about installing it

(and pytorch has ROCm support)

[lament cairn]

!!!!!!
It's doing the thing!

[left imp]

okay, so i found my old sketchbook, here's an incomplete comic about the utah teapot

this place is going to devolve into an art section, im going to send a bunch of tech-related drawings

[timid latch]

please do

[lament cairn]

teapot!

[left imp]

experimentation with crayons. the red guy is matsumoto from ruby.

artistic depiction of martin newell, the utah teapot guy

matsumoto of ruby and gosling of java

[timid latch]

I really need to do more drawing, I have been thinking about making some comics

I made one and I did like it

these are so good @left imp !

[left imp]

thanks, i found my old sketchbook. i had 3, 2 are lost, 1 found today

one of the lost books had a ton of python drawings

[timid latch]

heres the first comic I drew

[strange blade]

Somehow that transformation looks painful

I'd hate it if my skin suddenly dissolved to something else

[timid latch]

I mean, it was a pretty panicky few minutes

[strange blade]

heh

mental pain

[left imp]

that looks great, reminds me of 2010s comic

[timid latch]

Thanks!

[left imp]

this is the first time i use discord, and im already getting the hang of it

its like i learn fast. i picked up most of python in just 2 days

which is weird

[cobalt remnant]

Bad grammar is part of the joke

[strange blade]

It must be an Airbus, because the "joke" flew over my head, whatever it is

[jovial oriole]

Mfw i got 30gb data but cant use even 500mb because it downloads at 1KB/s

[signal ore]

Guys

Anyone wanna play battleship withme ?

[left imp]

my friend once said something stupid,

"i fear of the future where companies make half-baked software, full of hidden bugs and vulnerable to many exploits. they will sell them as services, with the ridiculous pricing schemes, with the bright and colorful advertisement campaigns ingrained into every innocent minds."

[jovial oriole]

No way my school blocked github

[glass stratus]

Complete the Cloud Skills Challenge: Fundamentals of Machine Learning! Great opportunity to learn new skills and techniques.

Challenge Link:
https://learn.microsoft.com/training/challenges?id=35934283-b24e-4684-94d3-f1f2567865a2&WT.mc_id=cloudskillschallenge_35934283-b24e-4684-94d3-f1f2567865a2&wt.mc_id=studentamb_291122

[left imp]

if your school has a coding class, they know what they're doing

[grave cove]

My high school blocked just the CSS of GitHub for some reason

so like it'll load but look all weird

[rough sapphire]

every school with computer know-how will do

The IT guy knows his stuff

[acoustic moss]

huh

why block github

[rough sapphire]

@acoustic moss risky for experimental students or outsiders connected to the school net

[low chasm]

why is it risky?

because they can download weird stuff? I suppose that's less of an issue if they're using like, a Chromebook

[lament cairn]

maybe don't have a shitty vulnerable network?

ez pz

[left imp]

guess what? kids are smart enough to copy-paste a whole project on github and claim it as their work

still, blocking isnt going to solve anything

[lament cairn]

Unless the school has their own git server

which then : + 1:

[steady hound]

I see the CSS comes from github.githubassets.com.
Seems they could have whitelisted github.com, but not the other?

[sharp jasper]

Don't tell them that kids can also copy things out of books or you'll lose your school library too

[fresh basalt]

You've clearly never worked for a school district.

They are consistently underfunded.

At least here in the US.

[digital oracle]

all in for the CSS naked day I see

[limpid lynx]

cute duck

[jaunty wraith]

cat

[solemn tulip]

gasp

[grave cove]

he goof

[glossy niche]

man

why r their ears so small

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-lil-floppa-flop-floppa-flop-gif-22883844

could have been the perfect creature

[lament cairn]

rare non snow leopard pic

[fresh basalt]

You can't tell because of the fur but it's making a rude gesture.

[lament cairn]

is it?

[severe wadi]

isnt that just a lynx

[lament cairn]

ys

a lynx

[alpine tusk]

lynx lynx

[zealous comet]

Let's continue here @spare oriole @stoic stump

From #python-discussion message

Rust isn't faster than c they can both be as fast

[timid latch]

While some langs are usually slower then others, the source of slowdown is usually just how the program is written

You could argue rust makes it easier to write faster programs while staying sane

[vocal oyster]

people always point at python for being slow but most of the time performance doesn't even matter in the slightest

and usually the ease of development just counteracts the fact that your unused app can only be used by 1 million not 2.5 million people at once or whatever

[lament cairn]

smth i like saying is that rust, c, python, etc... all behave the same when waiting for network/disk

[solemn tulip]

if you're io bound you can't do much, yeah

if you're cpu bound, then it's another story

[tardy rain]

i am mortal coil bound

[vocal oyster]

yeah but most of the time you're not computing enough for it to be cpu bound

and if you are then you look into it

it's just weird seeing people try to make something in a lower level language and take like 10x the time as if it was more higher level, with the same outcome

[zealous comet]

i like lower languages mostly because how much easier it is to run on someone else's pc you can just run a small exe instead of having them to install the correct python version or bundling it

[agile mesa]

!e
print([x for x in range(1000) if x%7==0])

!e
print([x for x in range(1000) if '3' in str(x)])

!e
stri="t h is do ens s"
print(len([x for x in stri if x==" "]))

!e
txt= "Yellow Yaks like yelling and yawning and yesturday they yodled while eating yuky yams"
print([x for x in txt if x.lower() not in ['a','e','i','o','u', ' ']])

!e
txt= "Yellow Yaks like yelling and yawning and yesturday they yodled while eating yuky yams"
print(set([x for x in txt if x.lower() not in ['a','e','i','o','u', ' ']]))

Get the index and the value as a tuple for items in the list “hi”, 4, 8.99, ‘apple’, (‘t,b’,’n’). Result would look like (index, value), (index, value)

!e
l=[“hi”, 4, 8.99, ‘apple’, ('t',b')]
print([(index,val) for index, val in enumerate l])

!e
l=["hi", 4, 8.99, 'apple', ('t',b')]
print([(index,val) for index, val in enumerate l])

!e
l=["hi", 4, 8.99, 'apple', ('t','b')]
print([(index,val) for index, val in enumerate l])

[round pendant]

you forgot to call enumerate

[agile mesa]

Wdym

Oh

Wait

[spare oriole]

enumerate(l)

[agile mesa]

!e
l=["hi", 4, 8.99, 'apple', ('t','b')]
print([(index,val) for index, val in enumerate( l)])

[royal lake]

@agile mesa :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[(0, 'hi'), (1, 4), (2, 8.99), (3, 'apple'), (4, ('t', 'b'))]

[agile mesa]

Alrr got it thankss

[round pendant]

you could do list(enumerate(l)), since you dont do anything in the listcomp

[agile mesa]

I was practising some list comp questions xd

Find the common numbers in two lists (without using a tuple or set) list_a = 1, 2, 3, 4, list_b = 2, 3, 4, 5

!e
list_a = [1, 2, 3, 4]
list_b = [2, 3, 4, 5]
print([x for x in list_a if x in list_b])

!e
g="In 1984 there were 13 instances of a protest with over 1000 people attending"
print([x for x in g if x.isdigit()])

[royal lake]

@agile mesa :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['1', '9', '8', '4', '1', '3', '1', '0', '0', '0']

[agile mesa]

Given numbers = range(20), produce a list containing the word ‘even’ if a number in the numbers is even, and the word ‘odd’ if the number is odd. Result would look like ‘odd’,’odd’, ‘even’

@round pendant uhhh how do I print different items if x%2==0 else not

[round pendant]

a if x%2==0 else b

(thats a ternary expression)

[agile mesa]

Wait how do I add this with the range function

[round pendant]

its a single expression, you can use it in any place where you'd be able to use something like 1

[agile mesa]

x for x in range(20) "even" if x%2==0 else "odd"

?

!e
print([for x in range(20) "even" if x%2==0 else "odd"])

!e
print([for x in range(20) "even" if x%2==0 else "odd"])

!e
print([ "even" if x%2==0 else "odd" for x in range(20)])

[royal lake]

@agile mesa :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

['even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd', 'even', 'odd']

[agile mesa]

alrrre got it thanks

Produce a list of tuples consisting of only the matching numbers in these lists list_a = 1, 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, list_b = 2, 7, 1, 12. Result would look like (4,4), (12,12)

!e
a = [1, 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9]
b= [2, 7, 1, 12]
print([(x,x) for x in a if x in b])

[royal lake]

@agile mesa :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

[(1, 1), (2, 2), (7, 7)]

[agile mesa]

Use a nested list comprehension to find all of the numbers from 1-1000 that are divisible by any single digit besides 1 (2-9)

[honest star]

Please use #bot-commands to run eval and don't spam an off topic channel

[agile mesa]

Alright

[jovial oriole]

pretty cool right?

after 0:15 you can see some bodies orbiting a larger one

play it on 0.25x speed

[agile yacht]

why do they fly out?

[carmine apex]

the strength of gravitational attraction is inversely proportional to the square of distance, so the force starts out weak and increases fast as any masses approach each other. in some cases, this can produce an orbit, but usually, two objects hit each other. though, if you have more, the exact center of mass that everything is flying towards is not necessarily inside one of them, so the collision fails, and everything flies away

[jovial oriole]

In fortnite terms; quick scopes and misses

[carmine apex]

alternatively, foot on the gas cause you're late or impatient, then you miss your turn and end up going way past it

[brazen ingot]

inversely proportional to r²

[acoustic moss]

please explain in subway surfers terms

[carmine apex]

splat

[karmic gust]

!rule 9 @violet breach

[royal lake]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[violet breach]

i am sorry

[steady jacinth]

@sick nexus cute pfp

[rough sapphire]

bruh, why are the dots going out of the graph?

[jovial oriole]

For rendering and stable movement of bodies, i disabled dynamic bounds and set my own

You can render your own too

https://github.com/HRLO77/gravity

[honest star]

I wasn't expecting so many songs about Matty fucking Healy on TSwift's new album 😩

@young shoal have you listened to the new album? 👀

[young shoal]

no >w<

[honest star]

Well it's a double sized album, so enjoy 31 songs!!

[young shoal]

🥴

omg fortnite

🤩

[honest star]

Florida!!! is a certified banger and I need TS and Florence to co-produce an entire album together

||no but seriously, why did Matty rat healy do so much damage in such a short amount of time jfc||

[young shoal]

some people i know thought it was 💤

[young shoal]

it's ok

[low chasm]

there's a new album???

[acoustic moss]

same

i listened to some

not particularly blown away by any ngl

[limber turret]

WHY SO MUCH CHANNELS HERE

[honest star]

Tortured Poets Department!!

[young shoal]

true

[low chasm]

guess I'll give it a listen

what's the vibe? similar to her recent albums?

[honest star]

I feel like it's evermore vibes mixed with midnights

Who's Afraid of Little Old Me is soooo good though

[low chasm]

I see

[honest star]

But also someone needs to tell Jack Antonoff to do 10% less

[young shoal]

i thought it was ok

tbh

kinda fell off

i liked i can do it with a broken heart though

[honest star]

maybe y'all just need to go through a heart wrenching breakup of a long term relationship >_>

[young shoal]

no thanks

[solemn tulip]

do what now?

[young shoal]

who's anton 🥴

[acoustic moss]

lmfao

[solemn tulip]

hi

[acoustic moss]

hi anton im dad

[buoyant hill]

I got stuck again.
"With two sets, S = {x,y,z,a,b,c,d} and T = {1,2,3,4,5,6,7}, how many partial functions f : S -> T are there where f(x) is in {1,2,3,4}, f(y) is in {1,2,3,4}, f(z) is in {1,2,3,4}, and f(x) != f(y) != f(z)?"

from math import factorial as f


# permutation with replacement
def pr(n, r): return n**r

# permutation without replacement
def pnr(n, r): return f(n) / f(n - r)

# combination without replacement
def cnr(n, r): return f(n) / (f(r) * f(n - r))

# combination with replacement
def cr(n, r): return f(n + r - 1) / (f(r) * f(n - 1))


print(pnr(4, 3) * 4**8)
# expected: 98304
# result:   1572864

Why is this wrong?

Nevermind. It should have been 8**4.

[teal coral]

what does fastboot mean on my phone

accidantly done it

fellt like this is a server where someone would know

it just says in red text: entering fastboot mode. . .

[grave cove]

fuck it, let's have tuesdays off

[surreal otter]

I lvoe my WFH Tues/Thurs

[polar vigil]

Hello

[idle elbow]

function range(start: number, stop: number, step: number = 1): number[] {
    let res: number[] = []
    for (let index: number = start; index <= stop; index += step){
        res = [...res, index]
    }
    return res
}

made this in typescript

i pro 😎

function avg(argument: number[]){
    let sum: number = argument.reduce((x: number, y: number) => { return x + y })
    return sum / argument.length
}

[tardy rain]

but why

[idle elbow]

function range(start: number, stop: number, step: number = 1): number[] {
    let res: number[] = []
    for (let index: number = start; index <= stop; index += step){
        res = [...res, index]
    }
    return res
}

function avg(argument: number[]) {
    let sum: number = argument.reduce((x: number, y: number) => { return x + y })
    return sum / argument.length
}

function max(argument: number[]) {
    return Math.max(...argument)
}

function min(argument: number[]) {
    return Math.min(...argument)
}

function sum(argument: number[]) {
    return argument.reduce((x: number, y: number) => { return x + y })
}

because I WANT PYTHON FUNCTIONS IN TYPESCRIPT !!!!!!!!!

[tardy rain]

why would you implement range like that

[idle elbow]

wut why

[tardy rain]

cause thats terrible lol

at least use push

[idle elbow]

bruh

[tardy rain]

also its not a generator

range is probably the most useful one to have

But it could be as simple as Array(n).keys()

Or you could turn that into a gen if space is issue

It would be more useful if you implemented itertools stuff

[idle elbow]

wtf is a generator

[worldly ice]

you should make an actual Range class

[worldly ice]

your max and min aren't correct

they should support the 2 arg scenario like in python

!e print(min(3, 5))

[royal lake]

@worldly ice :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

3

[strange blade]

Other people: If Sweater Weather is your favourite song, you're gay.
Me: ... uhh...

[marble bay]

not my favourite but it's up there

🏃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HUhqlPxzAc tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/783795944294318180.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=chefkiss

[strange blade]

[marble bay]

I'm actually bi so

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081551118628302888.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=TT_irunningOwO

[latent juniper]

am handling computer science assignments

[naive igloo]

basically a list generated on demand

instead of entirety of it is generated once you call

[idle elbow]

whats a demand lmao

i still gotta learn english more

[idle elbow]

if you make a class in javascript you have to declare it as the ugliest way opssible... new CLASSSTUFF

[idle elbow]

that is not how it works bruh

[worldly ice]

wdymn declare it

[worldly ice]

yes it is

if you want to make it like python it needs to work for iterables and multiple args

[brazen ingot]

fun or no

[idle elbow]

class Something{
    print("h")
}
// HERES THE MOST DISGUSTING PART
something = new Something()

[worldly ice]

that's not a "JS" thing

it was in other OOP-like languages before it

now try using new with a function call in JS

(was used before classes existed)

[fringe rain]

IIRC something like that was in C++ too

But I could be wrong, I don't use C++

[tranquil orchid]

C# moment

[harsh tundra]

We probably had a fox visit during the night. But the fox wasn't a nice guest, decided to quickly eat and tried to grab food to-go.

The food is ducks.
2 ducks, only bones left of one, second is whole but dead - predator had problems carrying it through the fence...

[south nacelle]

https://freedomofform.org/5669/february-2024-newsletter/

this thing is still going lmaoooooooooo

[lament cairn]

huh

[south nacelle]

freedom of form foundation is trying to make furries real

it is incredibly based

[mental isle]

Idk JavaScript, so sorry if the quality is bad, but this would be more accurate I think. (Also ik that that's TypeScript)

class range {
    constructor(start, stop, step = 1) {
        this.start = start;
        this.stop = stop;
        this.step = step;
    }
    
    *[Symbol.iterator]() {
        for (let i = this.start; i < this.stop; i += this.step) {
            yield i;
        }
    }
}

let myrange = new range(1, 10, 1);

let arr = Array.from(myrange);
console.log(arr);

[glossy niche]

copeilot

[grave cove]

based commit message

bro is cooking (literally)

[polar vigil]

Well though message with a touch of care

[crystal spruce]

varphi is the superior phi

[brazen ingot]

imagine using varphi for totient

[soft violet]

You don't need two strokes for the lefthand. Start at top, down to circle bit, full circle counterclockwise, down.

[strange blade]

unorthodox

varphi is faster

[harsh tundra]

Then you're making a varphi with extra steps. And you gotta stop to make it look like printed phi, while varphi is handwritten phi so it's smooth

[harsh tundra]

Evolution. Yours is in the middle. You're halfway there

[small coral]

i see its resemblance to varphi now

[harsh tundra]

It's evolution of printed vs handwritten (quick stroke, smooth, in this case top line is lost because it doesn't make much sense)

[crystal spruce]

I like varphi because I think it looks better, not because it's easier to write

[brazen ingot]

same

[harsh tundra]

Update on the fox situation: the bait (the duck that fox killed yesterday but failed to carry) is gone, the trap is empty.
I think fox tried to get to the trap from the side and rolled it, then finally wrestled the bait out. Because only the trap's door is where the trap originally was, the trap itself is like 2m away

[limpid lynx]

what does the fox say

[gritty zinc]

i have bad news about how φ and ϕ look in my system font

i do use φ tho, it looks nicer in latex

[harsh tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ylvis-what-does-the-fox-say-ring-ding-gif-3508190

[brazen ingot]

gross what font is that

[gritty zinc]

no idea actually. if that's really my system font it's ubuntu regular.

[brazen ingot]

you are allowed to change fonts

[gritty zinc]

i mean, i could. but to what?

[brazen ingot]

Iosveka Term Nerd

[acoustic moss]

comic sans

[young shoal]

computer modern

[strange blade]

comic neue

[brazen ingot]

reptile is legitimately confused now

[vocal oyster]

I would think that's system font then (also ubuntu)

theres latin and greek phi characters here, as well as mathematical font

[small coral]

🇵🇭

[cursive salmon]

@spare oriole wait are you spanish? #1230702344082165810 message

idk why but I like discovering people who talk my language

[spare oriole]

i speak spanish but i'm not from spain

LATAM

[smoky meadow]

I mean I have a whole long list of things i need to spend my money on but if I had unlimited money... why the heck not that could be fun

[crystal spruce]

@steady jacinth

let's go back to the original eqn

(2**n + 1)(2**-n + 1) = out, right?

[steady jacinth]

(2**n + 1)(2**-n+1) = out

yeah

[crystal spruce]

let x = 2**n, and rewrite the equation in terms of x

[steady jacinth]

(x+1)(1/x + 1) = out

I think

[crystal spruce]

right

now expand

[steady jacinth]

1 + x + 1/x + 1 = out

[crystal spruce]

yep

gather everything on the left and multiply through by x

[steady jacinth]

wait is my whole 2**n thing unneccesary?

anyway

[brazen ingot]

you'll use later

[crystal spruce]

it'll come in after you solve the quadratic

[brazen ingot]

if you find x you'll able to find n

[steady jacinth]

x**2 + 2x - out*x + 1 = 0

[crystal spruce]

that is not what you should get

[steady jacinth]

oh

[crystal spruce]

still no

[brazen ingot]

whats out here

[crystal spruce]

try multiplying through by x first, and then moving everything to the left

just a variable

[brazen ingot]

bro out for var

[steady jacinth]

that a problem?

[crystal spruce]

k that's right

now do you see that that's quadratic in x?

[steady jacinth]

yes

[crystal spruce]

k, so you can use the quadratic eqn

.latex

\[
x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}
\]

[brazen ingot]

no but the naming convention is bad as it confuses me

[steady jacinth]

or in python terms x = (-b + (b**2 - 4*a*c)**0.5)/(2*a)?

[crystal spruce]

/(2*a) at the end

you'll want both roots

[steady jacinth]

oh yeah

[steady jacinth]

give me a number that is not one more than a power of 2

I want to test something

[crystal spruce]

6

[brazen ingot]

7

[steady jacinth]

ok phew my 2**n is not worthless

[steady jacinth]

will those give the numbers in brackets in the original equation?

[crystal spruce]

those will give the two values 2**n can be

and then you backsolve those to get the infinitely many complex values n can be

[steady jacinth]

so this look right for the quadratic formula? ```py
def quadratic(a,b,c):
x = (-b + (b**2 - 4ac)0.5)/(2*a)
y = (-b - (b2 - 4ac)**0.5)/(2*a)
return x,y

[brazen ingot]

yes

[crystal spruce]

should be fine

[steady jacinth]

I've forgotten what we were doing

[crystal spruce]

now you solve 2**n = x and 2**n = y

[brazen ingot]

you are computing the roots of that particular 2 degree equation

[steady jacinth]

x,y = quadratic(1,2-out,1)

[brazen ingot]

works

but out is defined as a int or something else?

[steady jacinth]

out, in this case, is an int, but out can be any complex you want

[crystal spruce]

what are you actually doing this for? idk how you want to capture the infinitely many solutions

[steady jacinth]

to find, for any number, 2 numbers such that xy = x+y = out

[brazen ingot]

you can use SFFT

[crystal spruce]

how did you get 2**n then

[steady jacinth]

through testing

[crystal spruce]

that equation is just equivalent to finding the 2 roots of x^2 - out*x + out = 0

!e

def f(out):
    d = (out**2 - 4*out)**.5/2
    x, y = out/2 + d, out/2 - d 
    return x, y
x, y = f(17)
print(x+y, x*y)

[royal lake]

@crystal spruce :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

17.0 16.999999999999996

[steady jacinth]

NOT EQUAL