voice-chat-text-0

[vocal basin]

but I don't want my IP/username in edit history

[wooden sequoia]

Maybe use a VPN if it ticks you off

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[wooden sequoia]

and they're gone

[vocal basin]

(or, in other words, I'm too lazy to edit)

[wooden sequoia]

Wear a mask. Wear it on your face.

where else does one wear a mask, may I ask

that negates the whole point

[upper basin]

Doctors must complete a four-year undergraduate program, along with four years in medical school and three to seven years in a residency program to learn the specialty they chose to pursue. In other words, it takes between 10 to 14 years to become a fully licensed doctor.

[somber heath]

!paste

[wise cargo]

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[somber heath]

!code

[wise cargo]

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[upper basin]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA

[vocal basin]

what's up with the comments

@somber heath no it doesn't

comments visually make it look unprofessional

yeah

[upper basin]

I didn't know that.

[vocal basin]

// add 1 to i
i += 1;

explain why not what

[upper basin]

Understood

[vocal basin]

comments are also not checked by the language, which leads to situations like this:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA#1L76-L77

it's adding lowerbound to random_int not other way around

there's an error in the comment

is upperbound inclusive or exclusive?

that should be written in docs

(line 40)

# shift random_int's range from [0;upperbound-lowerbound-1] to [lowerbound;upperbound-1]
random_int += lowerbound

if you do need to explain that line, this might be a better way

just as an example

it's more descriptive than "Add the random integer to the lowerbound"

(since it explains high-level effects and purpose of that statement)

this is an error
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA#1L191-L191

and Python should warn about it

!e

x = 1
x is 1

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | /home/main.py:2: SyntaxWarning: "is" with 'int' literal. Did you mean "=="?
002 |   x is 1

[vocal basin]

is isn't same as ==

it only works sometimes

this can be simplified
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA#1L194-L204

[wooden sequoia]

Will the while loop at line 161 ever exit? Does it affect the indices list?

[vocal basin]

yes

append

indices = [self.randint(0, len(items)) for _ in range(num_selections)]

what's the difference between choices and sample?

[vocal basin]

(this is for choices)

sample's loop may end up waiting forever

I don't remember how to efficiently sample unique

[wooden sequoia]

collections.abc isn't used later on

[vocal basin]

Container isn't, Iterable is

there are some Iterable-related type errors

it should be Sequence instead

because Iterable doesn't have __len__

these don't seem to do anything
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA#1L158-L159
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KZZA#1L191-L192

(no return)

[wooden sequoia]

You used the Any type, I think you would need to import it from typing first

[vocal basin]

on 3.12, there is [T] notation which is probably better than Any

in this case

def identity[T](value: T) -> T:
    return value

[wooden sequoia]

Nice

[vocal basin]

yes, it's an invalid annotation

Sequence allows to call len on it

use Sequence for annotation instead of Iterable

if you can len on it

this is type error

def test(value: Iterable):
    len(value)

yes, tell users that they need to pass Sequence in

if you need len

Sequence also allows indexing

typing.Sequence

collections.abc.Sequence should work too

maybe that's even preferred

yeah, use collections.abc.Sequence

typing one is deprecated since 3.9

it used to be a generic alias

but now collections.abc.Sequence supports generics itself

random.sample seems to use different algorithms for different sizes
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.12/Lib/random.py#L432-L451

collections.abc.MutableSequence allows, iirc

maybe not

are you using an IDE?

with Pylance?

[upper basin]

https://github.com/CQCL/lambeq

[vocal basin]

this is what Pylance says:

you can run it through mypy

which checks types

[upper basin]

def MCX(self,
            control_indices: int or Iterable[int],
            target_indices: int or Iterable[int]) -> None:
        """ Apply a MCX gate to the circuit.

        Parameters
        ----------
        `control_indices (int or Iterable[int]):
            The index of the control qubit(s).
        `target_indices` (int or Iterable[int]):
            The index of the target qubit(s).
        """
        # Ensure control_indices and target_indices are always treated as Iterables
        control_indices = [control_indices] if isinstance(control_indices, int) else control_indices
        target_indices = [target_indices] if isinstance(target_indices, int) else target_indices

        # Apply the MCX gate to the circuit at the control and target qubits
        for i in range(len(target_indices)):
            self.circuit.append(qml.ControlledQubitUnitary(qml.PauliX(0).matrix(), control_wires=control_indices, wires=target_indices[i]))

        # Add the gate to the log
        self.circuit_log.append({'gate': 'MCX', 'control_indices': control_indices, 'target_indices': target_indices})

[vocal basin]

or has no effect

it just ignores int

int | Iterable[int] would be union

[vocal basin]

correction: ignores the other part

I forgot how or works

and would ignore int

it doesn't work

whereas | works correctly

what do you mean by "works"?

runtime errors?

well of course it wouldn't

type-wise it fails

type annotations do nothing during runtime

in this case

[upper basin]

MCX(1, [2, 3])

[vocal basin]

so you can't judge based on runtime errors

[upper basin]

MCX([1, 2], 3)

[vocal basin]

!d typing.Union

[wise cargo]

typing.Union

typing.Union```
Union type; `Union[X, Y]` is equivalent to `X | Y` and means either X or Y.

To define a union, use e.g. `Union[int, str]` or the shorthand `int | str`. Using that shorthand is recommended. Details...

[vocal basin]

output doesn't matter

runtime errors don't matter

it's not about runtime

it's about types

int or str is int

int and str is str

the type annotation is wrong

if you want union, use |

!e

print(int or str)
print(int and str)
print(int | str)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <class 'int'>
002 | <class 'str'>
003 | int | str

[vocal basin]

the latter is same as typing.Union[int, str]

[vocal basin]

what happens if control_indices and target_indices are of different type?

option1:
int, list[int]
option2:
np.ndarray, list[int]

list[int]
set[frozenset[str]]
...

a: list[int] = [1, 2, 3]

since 3.9, list itself is generic

this is the signature I'd expect

def choices[T](
    self,
    items: Sequence[T],
    num_selections: int,
) -> list[T]: ...

why list:
- implementation will have to create list anyway
- provide more functionality to whoever uses the output
- make it clear that all values are computed before returning

last point means that it's not a generator-like thing

[upper basin]

Traceback (most recent call last):
  Cell In[11], line 2
    test_qc.MCX(np.array([1, 2]), [3, 4])
  Cell In[7], line 489 in MCX
    self.circuit.append(mcx, control_indices[:] + [target_indices[i]])
  File /opt/conda/lib/python3.10/site-packages/qiskit/circuit/quantumcircuit.py:1273 in append
    expanded_qargs = [self.qbit_argument_conversion(qarg) for qarg in qargs or []]
ValueError: The truth value of an array with more than one element is ambiguous. Use a.any() or a.all()

[vocal basin]

!e

def example():
    while True:
        print("before yield")
        yield 1
        print("after yield")

for value in example():
    print(value)
    break

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | before yield
002 | 1

[vocal basin]

if choices was generating output element-by-element, Iterable would be a reasonable output type

Iterable[T] covers both Iterator[T] (something you can call next() of) and list[T];
if the intent is to not have the implementation tied to specifics, Iterable[T] might be appropriate

what, again?
(didn't understand yet)

starting from this?

@command
def click(x: int, y: int): ...

so the problem is that arguments aren't the same?

@command
def click(x: int, y: int): ...

@command
def drag(startx: int, starty: int, endx: int, endy: int): ...

[tepid edge]

@command(**args1)
@option(**args2)
@option(**args3)
def click(x, y):
  ...

[vocal basin]

first option relates to x and second to y?

what is passed as arguments to it?

name/description/default?

@command
def click(
    x: Annotated[int, Option(name = "x", description = "click position's horizontal coordinate")],
    y: Annotated[int, Option(name = "y", description = "click position's vertical coordinate")],
): ...

!d typing.Annotated

[wise cargo]

typing.Annotated

typing.Annotated```
Special typing form to add context-specific metadata to an annotation.

Add metadata `x` to a given type `T` by using the annotation `Annotated[T, x]`. Metadata added using `Annotated` can be used by static analysis tools or at runtime. At runtime, the metadata is stored in a `__metadata__` attribute.

If a library or tool encounters an annotation `Annotated[T, x]` and has no special logic for the metadata, it should ignore the metadata and simply treat the annotation as `T`. As such, `Annotated` can be useful for code that wants to use annotations for purposes outside Python’s static typing system.

[vocal basin]

I've seen it somewhere recently but I don't remember where

(I knew about it for longer but there is some tool that uses it quite extensively for which I need to write that)

yes

to then parse from __annotations__

!e

from typing import Annotated

def click(
    x: Annotated[int, "x argument"],
    y: Annotated[int, "y argument"],
): ...

print(click.__annotations__)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'x': typing.Annotated[int, 'x argument'], 'y': typing.Annotated[int, 'y argument']}

[vocal basin]

it might've been FastAPI but not sure

it was discord.py, I remembered

!source e

[wise cargo]

Command: eval

Run Python code and get the results.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/utils/snekbox/_cog.py:536

[vocal basin]

code: Annotated[list[str], CodeblockConverter]

[upper basin]

@stark river greetings

[vocal basin]

to make types same there's generics
and to limit what those are, there are bounds

def test[T: (int, list[int])](left: T, right: T) -> T:
    match (left, right):
        case (int(), int()):
            return left + right
        case (list(), list()):
            return right + left
        case _:
            raise TypeError

so for that function's case:

def MCX[T: (int | Iterable[int], np.ndarray)](
    self,
    control_indices: T,
    target_indices: T,
) -> None: ...

[upper basin]

if target_rows != int(target_rows) or target_cols != int(target_cols):

[vocal basin]

!e

"" or ""
"" | ""

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     "" | ""
004 |     ~~~^~~~
005 | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for |: 'str' and 'str'

[vocal basin]

they're not equivalent

!e

def one():
    print("one")
    return 1

def two():
    print("two")
    return 2

one() | two()
one() or two()

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | one
002 | two
003 | one

[vocal basin]

!e

print({1} or {2})
print({1} | {2})

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | {1}
002 | {1, 2}

[vocal basin]

a or b is mostly equivalent to temp if (temp := a) else b

it's analogous to sets:

!e

print({"int"} | {"str"})
print(int | str)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | {'str', 'int'}
002 | int | str

[upper basin]

Do :
int | Iterable[int]
Instead of :
int or Iterable[int]

[vocal basin]

!e

print({"int"} | {"int"})
print(int | int)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | {'int'}
002 | <class 'int'>

[vocal basin]

yes, because the second one is just int

[upper basin]

a=1, or a=[1,2,3].

[vocal basin]

def func(arg: int | list[int]): ...

func(1)          # ok
func([1, 2, 3])  # ok
func("1")        # error

def func(
    arg0: int | list[int],
    arg1: int | list[int],
): ...

# all these are valid:
func(1, 1)
func([1], [1])
func(1, [1])
func([1], 1)

def func[T: (int, list[int])](
    arg0: T,
    arg1: T,
): ...

func(1, 1)      # ok
func([1], [1])  # ok
func(1, [1])    # error
func([1], 1)    # error

[upper basin]

Yeah like this

data_arg = Iterable[float] | Iterable[Iterable[float]] | Data

[vocal basin]

nested works too, yes

[upper basin]

Use Sequence instead of Iterable (How to best annotate and write methods with generic iterables in mind)

    def MCX(self,
            control_indices: int | Iterable[int],
            target_indices: int | Iterable[int]) -> None:
        """ Apply a MCX gate to the circuit.

        Parameters
        ----------
        `control_indices (int | Iterable[int]):
            The index of the control qubit(s).
        `target_indices` (int | Iterable[int]):
            The index of the target qubit(s).
        """
        # Ensure control_indices and target_indices are always treated as Iterables
        control_indices = [control_indices] if isinstance(control_indices, int) else control_indices
        target_indices = [target_indices] if isinstance(target_indices, int) else target_indices

        # Apply the MCX gate to the circuit at the control and target qubits
        for i in range(len(target_indices)):
            self.circuit.append(qml.ControlledQubitUnitary(qml.PauliX(0).matrix(), control_wires=control_indices, wires=target_indices[i]))

        # Add the gate to the log
        self.circuit_log.append({'gate': 'MCX', 'control_indices': control_indices, 'target_indices': target_indices})

[noble rose]

hi everyone

[knotty flint]

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/

[noble rose]

what

[gentle flint]

@whole bear you may be unaware, but these voice chats are offtopic. Talking about random topics is the standard; if you want ontopic, go to #python-discussion .
If you choose to mute me, that's certainly your prerogative. Pretty petty but whatever.

christ

[noble rose]

oh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1191717453538021427/1197482275164663919/image0.gif

[wet scroll]

@somber heath hai

who said that

oh mayor

ehh im being lazy

i really wanna finish what im doing rn but i have nothing good for it 😭

idk i just picked a random word and tuna came up

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/kindergarten-cop-tumor-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-5168776

"It's not a tuna."

[wet scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/tuna-yay-tuesday-fish-gif-26603886

[somber heath]

@runic nimbus 👋

[noble rose]

hes japanese because he/she's tuna

[runic nimbus]

hi:)

[noble rose]

yep

[runic nimbus]

blue fin tuna

[wet scroll]

you could use they but im a guy

[noble rose]

ok

[wet scroll]

(im not into pronouns or idk)

[vivid palm]

!mute 293195225734840320 4d if you have an issue with another user, do not resort to insults. this is your final warning for such behavior and the next time you do this you will be removed from the community.

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @whole bear until <t:1706537250:f> (4 days).

[wet scroll]

what the

dang

[whole bear]

Are you Vc'ing today?

[somber heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954514368807182356/1199889421948952626/Screenshot_20240125-1228272.png

[somber heath]

@hallow oxide @torpid shard 👋

[peak depot]

@gentle flint

[torpid shard]

👋

[rugged root]

Danthrax

I always figured I'd go by DJ D.J.

Oooo, true

[peak depot]

Hi dad joke!

[somber heath]

@strong pebble 👋

[strong pebble]

hey there !! wassup man

[peak depot]

@rugged root can I get streaming permits for 5min

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-everything-all-of-this-look-around-gif-19251113

[rugged root]

To do what? What's up?

[peak depot]

Show my kitty..

[whole bear]

Alr Imma go workout

[peak depot]

Toebeans, toebeans, toebeaaaaans!!

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/me-showing-the-class-my-bankai-gif-580868976631931335

[somber heath]

@stoic sparrow 👋

[rugged root]

!stream 425552190283972608

[wise cargo]

✅ @peak depot can now stream until <t:1706195311:f>.

[somber heath]

@fathom fox 👋

[peak depot]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-ben-jammins-grease-wd-40-wd40-gif-11419836035360476536

[somber heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/412357430186344448/788422728427372625/wd40.png

@sleek mango 👋

[sleek mango]

hi!

I cant speak.

since I dont have permissions.

xD @somber heath

[somber heath]

#voice-verification

[sleek mango]

ah thnx!

I need to send more messages.

50 is a bunch to send.

[sleek mango]

especially if you don't talk much about coding 😄

hahah

[somber heath]

The trick is to not try. You just chat normally. Eventually it happens.

https://youtu.be/A9Ewr_5fkXA?feature=shared

[upper basin]

Hemlock, would you like to see the finished QRNG?

[rugged root]

py -m pip install [package_here]

[somber heath]

@north pawn @trail mulch 👋

[rugged root]

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[rugged root]

https://python.swaroopch.com/

py -0

[somber heath]

Numpy dropped out of Snekbox and got recently put back in.

[trail mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-lbow-hi-hello-hi-there-gif-25347432

[rugged root]

@somber heath

I'm so sad

I had such high hopes

[somber heath]

Okay boomerang.

[rugged root]

@jaunty turret What site are you trying to get info from

[stark river]

scrape it

[gentle flint]

@jaunty turret post it here

[stark river]

what i do for my whatsapp bots

[gentle flint]

yes

the link

[jaunty turret]

https://pesquisa.apps.tcu.gov.br/resultado/noticia/imunoglobulina

[upper basin]

[mid_point[0], *[mid_point[i] + perturbations[i-1] for i in range(1, len(mid_point))]]

Sazk is this a stupid way of doing this?

mid_point is a list of float.

perturbations is also a list of float, whose length is one less than mid_points's.

[rugged root]

I almost have an answer

[upper basin]

Ohh thank you!

[stark river]

it's a bit difficult to read but if it's working do it

[upper basin]

Well that's my point

I want to do it more sanely

[quaint oyster]

bro just thanked hemlock for an almost answer

[stark river]

break it up n assign it to variables

[rugged root]

You'd need to use something like Selenium. Selenium lets you navigate a site as if it was by a user, and since the site is JavaScript mainly, it's not really possible to do it using things like the requests library

[upper basin]

https://shopee.com.my/hppcimage?page=0&pdpL3Category=0&sortBy=ctime

[rugged root]

@obsidian dragon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_Server_Pages That?

[exotic moss]

https://epomaker.com/products/epomaker-rt100?variant=47277808156980

[rugged root]

@sudden wyvern Better if you ask in here

https://github.com/MrHemlock/auto_guild

[stark river]

mp_length = len(mid_point)

first_mp_element = mid_point[0]

answer = []
answer.append(first_mp_element)
for iterator in range(1, mp_length):
    sum = mid_point[iterator] + perturbations[iterator-1]
    answer.append(sum)

[sudden wyvern]

OKay yea. I think I have to send 50 messages to register the voice chat.

[rugged root]

#voice-verification

[noble rose]

hi

idk

only 38 msg

need to keep it up

ok

im not a dick

[rugged root]

Didn't figure you were

Just force of habit to mention it

[noble rose]

heh

[rugged root]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Using_the_JavaScript_API

[rugged root]

I'll be back later, wanting to focus more on fixing this

[quaint oyster]

🫡 I will be voice lead

favorite flavor of pop tarts anyone?

[stark river]

what are pop tarts

[quaint oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-tarts-blueberry-pop-tarts-pop-tart-gif-19259133

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-cat-rainbow-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5716621

[peak depot]

have not tried this but I think I would like it: confetti cupcake -flavour

[stark river]

smh.. are these biscuits?

kelloggs products

[peak depot]

https://youtu.be/R9UepiWMcTw?si=v4rNasuHAxojatkI

[stark river]

nah too corporatey
probably taste like cardboard like all corporate products

[peak depot]

it does

[quaint oyster]

few seconds in the microwave and boom

ur set

what do u eat sazk

what is ur 2 days of rations consist of

[stark river]

i eat a variety of thigns

rn it's just 2 days of ration left

which is worrying

vegetables

[fading quiver]

permission to speak

[quaint oyster]

permission granted

what can i do you for

[fading quiver]

i am having a problem in installing seal library in python

on google collab

[quaint oyster]

seals are creatures that live in the ocean not your computer silly

[stark river]

is it in a jupyter notebook?

[fading quiver]

lol are you a bot

[quaint oyster]

yes

[fading quiver]

notebook

[stark river]

you may need to use a magic method to access pip.. iirc it was !pip install .....

[fading quiver]

yeah i did that

[stark river]

was there an erro?

[fading quiver]

wait let me show you the error

this

if you could allow me to talk in VC i can explain

[stark river]

faulty package?

[stark river]

https://blog.enterprisedna.co/python-setup-py-egg_info-error-code/

[quaint oyster]

#voice-verification

[fading quiver]

give me perk to speak in VC

[quaint oyster]

cant

no one can

#voice-verification

[fading quiver]

ok ok

imma gonna check the blog , thanks for the help btw

i really love your support

[quaint oyster]

I love you too

[whole bear]

What did I just walk into?

[quaint oyster]

it's not what it looks like

[whole bear]

love you both

somebody text in here so my messages dont look like spam 🙂

[quaint oyster]

ask a programming question or something

[golden sonnet]

👋

they should give ipv6 for free

[rugged root]

True

[gentle flint]

fr

it's not like they're gonna run out

[golden sonnet]

what happend to if we have to much of something it doesn't have value?

just give it away

[rugged root]

What do you mean? They're literally values

https://tenor.com/xAYT.gif

[golden sonnet]

i mean money wise

[peak depot]

can someone help me with my graphics card issue?

[stark river]

maybe

[pallid hazel]

meh.. wish i had time to hangout more.. between meetings and projects.. just cant sit at the pc for my free time 😦
add in the normalization hell im in.. why cant vendors normalize their own data.. its like wtf dont they use this data also... mimd boggiling

[dusky radish]

hello

need someone who knows how to code a discord token account generator

[whole bear]

Yeah no Idea

@round marten 👋

[round marten]

Hey

[whole bear]

!voice

[wise cargo]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[round marten]

No access to mic

Need voice verification

[whole bear]

Yes

Check the channel out

[round marten]

Not eligible apparently

Need to send more messages

[whole bear]

Yes

[round marten]

Do messages here count lol

[whole bear]

Yes

[round marten]

What are you guys talking about

[whole bear]

Bro just read the channel

[vocal basin]

?

what does "discord token account generator" mean?

!rule 5 if for any reason you're trying to access user tokens:

[wise cargo]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[bleak sleet]

yeaah

[dusky radish]

idk

[gentle flint]

@stark river do you never leave voice chat

you're always there

but mostly don't respond if I join and speak to you

[stark river]

stalker

and you never speak to me

@somber heath i mean it in jest

besides me explaining the speaking is a moot point.. mostly i'm on my desktop so i don't have a mic there

my 🧠 is fried 😮‍💨

git squashed without testing 😦

[somber heath]

@empty spruce 👋

[empty spruce]

👋

[tall ridge]

"They" do. It's just that if you want a block, you have to show that you know what to do with it.
Which is a good idea because, or example, I have two contiguous IPv4 Class C blocks, but I haven't kept up my contact info so they are in limbo and no one else can use them.

@golden sonnet , @rugged root , in North America the IPv6 registrar is Arin
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/

[somber heath]

@main spade 👋

[whole bear]

Wait why can't I talk?

@tulip gyro I can't talk

help

[somber heath]

First in first out - FIFO - queue
First in last out - FILO - stack
Yeah?

Stack - I have a vertical, ordered pile of things on the floor. Each time I add or take from it, I'm adding or taking it from the top.

Queue - I have a tube. I shove things in one end and take them out from the other in the same order they went in.

@languid solstice 👋

https://i.imgur.com/yQqJlX0.jpg

[somber heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954514368807182356/1190519107477590076/Screenshot_20231230-1554502.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954514368807182356/1199889421948952626/Screenshot_20240125-1228272.png

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutelleridae

@rigid brook 👋

[rigid brook]

hi @somber heath

[somber heath]

From turtle.py```py

Copyright (C) 2006 - 2010 Gregor Lingl

email: [e-mail]

This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied

warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages

arising from the use of this software.

Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose,

including commercial applications, and to alter it and redistribute it

freely, subject to the following restrictions:

1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not

claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software

in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be

appreciated but is not required.

2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be

misrepresented as being the original software.

3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.```

@modest adder 👋

[modest adder]

Hello!

I'm sorry to bother

[somber heath]

Bother.

That's what the server is for.

(With a correct interpretation of "bother")

Bother with questions about Python, yes.

[modest adder]

I am currently working on a Discord, but within the constraints of the discord, API, and trying to find many workarounds to create a thread using a discord bot. The goal is to have this bot automatically create a thread, dependent on different variables. And I have attempted the simulate command, the API described code and other various options. Currently at loss. I am using Replit to deploy this bot. And I have adjusted my code accordingly, but to no avail.

I am truly just trying to create a thread automatically with the bot

🫠

Yeah, discord thread within the text channel

Like a sub channel

but they have a separate form channel archetype

[somber heath]

#discord-bots

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[modest adder]

I thank you for that

Will, I need to wait the entirety of the three days before I can ask for help?

I’ve had a separate bot running for over 30 days at this point

So I’m feeling confident that Replit should be able to provide what I need

[muted hinge]

As I said earlier, the three days only applies to our voice verification system so you won't be able to talk in VC until then.

You're still free to talk (text) in the rest of the server until then though!

[modest adder]

Understood that is good information. Thank you!

I will seek out the answer, and hopefully come up further than I have recently

It does appear that I can text in these chats

So I shouldn’t have issues seeking the answers with your peers

Thank you for all the help!

I wish you the best and have a wonderful day/night

😁

[whole bear]

😂

[somber heath]

@fallen echo 👋

https://tenor.com/view/alucard-female-gif-19218206

@obsidian dragon "Am I moe enough for you?"

[turbid sandal]

2,570$ USD after tax

[obsidian dragon]

@somber heath I don't get it surri

[turbid sandal]

_ _

[somber heath]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-miyagi-karate-kid2-honk-gif-19422505

"Honk."

[wind warren]

class Phonebook:
def init(self):
self.contacts = {}

def add_contact(self, name, number):
    self.contacts[name] = number
    print(f"Contact {name} added successfully.")

def search_contact(self, name):
    if name in self.contacts:
        print(f"Contact {name}: {self.contacts[name]}")
    else:
        print(f"Contact {name} not found.")

def display_contacts(self):
    print("Phonebook Contacts:")
    for name, number in self.contacts.items():
        print(f"{name}: {number}")

def main():
phonebook = Phonebook()

while True:
    print("\n1. Add Contact\n2. Search Contact\n3. Display Contacts\n4. Exit")
    choice = input("Enter your choice (1-4): ")

    if choice == '1':
        name = input("Enter the name: ")
        number = input("Enter the phone number: ")
        phonebook.add_contact(name, number)

    elif choice == '2':
        name = input("Enter the name to search: ")
        phonebook.search_contact(name)

    elif choice == '3':
        phonebook.display_contacts()

    elif choice == '4':
        print("Exiting phonebook.")
        break

    else:
        print("Invalid choice. Please enter a valid option.")

if name == "main":
main()

[upper basin]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[wind warren]

    def __init__(self):
        self.contacts = {}

    def add_contact(self, name, number):
        self.contacts[name] = number
        print(f"Contact {name} added successfully.")

    def search_contact(self, name):
        if name in self.contacts:
            print(f"Contact {name}: {self.contacts[name]}")
        else:
            print(f"Contact {name} not found.")

    def display_contacts(self):
        print("Phonebook Contacts:")
        for name, number in self.contacts.items():
            print(f"{name}: {number}")

def main():
    phonebook = Phonebook()

    while True:
        print("\n1. Add Contact\n2. Search Contact\n3. Display Contacts\n4. Exit")
        choice = input("Enter your choice (1-4): ")

        if choice == '1':
            name = input("Enter the name: ")
            number = input("Enter the phone number: ")
            phonebook.add_contact(name, number)

        elif choice == '2':
            name = input("Enter the name to search: ")
            phonebook.search_contact(name)

        elif choice == '3':
            phonebook.display_contacts()

        elif choice == '4':
            print("Exiting phonebook.")
            break

        else:
            print("Invalid choice. Please enter a valid option.")

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

[upper basin]

IBM Quantum Lab

[rotund stag]

built-in python IDE

VSCode is basically just a text editor with extensions combined with the command line

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/0LHFL941W0w?feature=shared

[somber heath]

@torn adder 👋

[brisk bridge]

hi

[upper basin]

def define_distance_matrix(self) -> Iterable[Iterable[float]]:
        """ Function to define the distance matrix for the given coordinates.

        Returns
        -------
        `Distance_matrix` : Iterable[Iterable[float]]
            The distance matrix.
        """
        # Distance Matrix
        Distance_matrix = []
        temp_set = []

        # Function for calculating the euclidean distance
        def distance_between_points(point_A, point_B):
            return np.sqrt((point_A[0] - point_B[0]) ** 2 + (point_A[1] - point_B[1]) ** 2)

        # Generating the distance matrix
        for i in range(len(self.coordinates)):
            for j in range(len(self.coordinates)):
                temp_set.append(distance_between_points(self.coordinates[i], self.coordinates[j]))
            Distance_matrix.append(temp_set)
            temp_set = []

        return Distance_matrix

[somber heath]

v: int = 5```

[vocal basin]

indexable immutable:
Sequence[Sequence[T]]

you can make a wrapper that indexes it the same way numpy allows to

with tuples

Mapping[tuple[int, ...], int]

indexed like

multidimensional[a, b, c]

(lists don't allow that)

!e

class MultiDimensional:
    def __init__(self, inner):
        self.inner = inner

    def __getitem__(self, key: tuple[int, ...]):
        inner = self.inner
        for index in key:
            inner = inner[index]
        return inner

md = MultiDimensional([[1,2],[3,4]])
print(md[0, 1])

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

2

[vocal basin]

idk if it's a good idea at all to have arbitrary dimensions and not using np.ndarray

probably not

I think this is roughly what ndarray does

class Axis:
    step: int
    length: int

class NdArray[T]:
    data: list[T]
    start: int
    axes: list[Axis]

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[vocal basin]

and indexing goes something like:

position = start
for axis, index in zip(axes, indices, strict=True):
    assert index in range(axis.length)
    position += axis.step * index
return data[position]

(trying to remember for myself how that works)

!e

from dataclasses import dataclass

@dataclass
class Axis:
    step: int
    length: int

@dataclass
class NdArray[T]:
    data: list[T]
    start: int
    axes: tuple[Axis]

    def __getitem__(self, indices: tuple[int]):
        position = self.start
        for axis, index in zip(self.axes, indices, strict=True):
            assert index in range(axis.length)
            position += axis.step * index
        assert position in range(len(self.data))
        return self.data[position]

array = NdArray(data=[0,1,2,3], start=0, axes=(Axis(step=2, length=2), Axis(step=1, length=2)))
print(array[0, 0])
print(array[0, 1])
print(array[1, 0])
print(array[1, 1])

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0
002 | 1
003 | 2
004 | 3

[vocal basin]

huh

it even worked

downsides to this are same as with numpy:
no resizing

[somber heath]

@pallid peak 👋

[rotund stag]

isn't that basically an array

[vocal basin]

!d numpy.ndarray

[wise cargo]

numpy.ndarray

class numpy.ndarray(shape, dtype=float, buffer=None, offset=0, strides=None, order=None)```
An array object represents a multidimensional, homogeneous array of fixed-size items. An associated data-type object describes the format of each element in the array (its byte-order, how many bytes it occupies in memory, whether it is an integer, a floating point number, or something else, etc.)

Arrays should be constructed using [`array`](https://numpy.org/devdocs/reference/generated/numpy.array.html#numpy.array), [`zeros`](https://numpy.org/devdocs/reference/generated/numpy.zeros.html#numpy.zeros) or [`empty`](https://numpy.org/devdocs/reference/generated/numpy.empty.html#numpy.empty) (refer to the See Also section below). The parameters given here refer to a low-level method (*ndarray(…)*) for instantiating an array.

For more information, refer to the [`numpy`](https://numpy.org/devdocs/reference/index.html#module-numpy) module and examine the methods and attributes of an array.

[rotund stag]

like i don't think an array can be resized

[vocal basin]

depends on the definition

C arrays can't be resized

Python arrays can

!d array

[wise cargo]

array

This module defines an object type which can compactly represent an array of basic values: characters, integers, floating point numbers. Arrays are sequence types and behave very much like lists, except that the type of objects stored in them is constrained. The type is specified at object creation time by using a type code, which is a single character. The following type codes are defined:

Similar names: numpy.term.array

[vocal basin]

this Python array

Rust array can't be resized because they're const-sized

I don't remember what else calls them arrays

JS I guess too

there it's resizable

Java's arrays are fixed size (this I had to look up)

[somber heath]

@fair geyser 👋

[vocal basin]

!d builtin

[wise cargo]

builtin

Most of the information of this page has been moved over to API Reference.

For information on plugin hooks and objects, see Writing plugins.

For information on the pytest.mark mechanism, see How to mark test functions with attributes.

For information about fixtures, see Fixtures reference. To see a complete list of available fixtures (add -v to also see fixtures with leading _), type :

[vocal basin]

what

why is it pytest

https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html

(I meant this)

!e

a_list = []
a_tuple = (a_list, a_list)
print(a_tuple)
a_list.append(None)
print(a_tuple)

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | ([], [])
002 | ([None], [None])

[vocal basin]

this is why I don't really like calling tuples immutable
or using notion of immutability in Python generally

hashability is closest Python has to immutability, imo

!e

print(hash((1, 2, 3)))
print(hash(([1], [2], [3])))

[wise cargo]

@vocal basin :x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | 529344067295497451
002 | Traceback (most recent call last):
003 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
004 |     print(hash(([1], [2], [3])))
005 |           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
006 | TypeError: unhashable type: 'list'

[upper basin]

@vocal basin I'm gonna go with my own class, and use the code you sent, and try that.

Thank you so much!

I feel your way is more reliable, at least I'd know what I can and can't do.

Easier to commit.

[wooden sequoia]

Hey why did the tuple scream into its mic?

[vocal basin]

better scream at tuples instead lyrics from Tallah -- Shaken:
"you couldn't be changed"

[wooden sequoia]

It was immutable

Ah

Okay

I'm sorry

[somber heath]

@whole sierra 👋

[wooden sequoia]

https://pypi.org/project/pyjokes/

I am honoured

[vocal basin]

meme-oriented programming

[wooden sequoia]

It's okay

Why do programmers confuse Halloween with Christmas? Because OCT 31 == DEC 25. --pyjokes

This is my favourite package on pypi

strange

I already have it installed, so I can read dumb python jokes whenever I'm burnt out

https://github.com/pyjokes/pyjokes/blob/master/pyjokes/jokes_en.py

That's every english joke

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

[wooden sequoia]

Pyjokes has an entire category just for Chuck Norris

I mean, it is created by developers

True

Sorry, truth-y

Statements aren't techically True or False, but they evaluate to either one. So voila, they are truth-y

[vocal basin]

expressions

[wooden sequoia]

Not Python statements

I meant statements in English

[vocal basin]

true, false, other

[gray kraken]

ok

can some learn me how to use pyinstaller

i wont work

just make py files exe files

say if you read this

wanna learn togeter

i mean making py exe files

o ok

il find it out then but stil thx

tomorow i can finaly talk in this channel

dont exuse yourself

no problem

i have an error while using pyinstaller

i mean installing

can we privatecall

you dont have to help me but then i can atleast talk back

[upper basin]

https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035462760792066

[gray kraken]

did it

[somber heath]

@whole bear 👋

@reef vessel 👋

@woven mango 👋

#voice-verification

[somber heath]

@neon osprey 👋

[turbid sandal]

hi opal

[eager thorn]

this was good.

[whole bear]

@somber heath sorry I joined by wrong

[somber heath]

@uneven brook 👋

[uneven brook]

@somber heath hello

[somber heath]

https://i.imgur.com/yQqJlX0.jpg

[wind warren]

if 5 > 2:
print("Five is greater than two!")

if 5 > 2: print("Five is greater than two!")

[obsidian dragon]

if 5 > 2:
  print("Five is greater than two!\n")

[somber heath]

'''abc
def'''

!e py print('''abc def''')

[wise cargo]

@somber heath :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | abc
002 | def

[somber heath]

@ashen plover 👋

[ashen plover]

Hello

[somber heath]

@strange horizon 👋

@cold steppe 👋

[cold steppe]

hi

[somber heath]

@atomic imp 👋

@narrow verge 👋

@uncut latch 👋

[uncut latch]

hello @somber heath

actually I can't open my mic

permission!!

[somber heath]

#voice-verification

[uncut latch]

50 messages requirement not found!

[turbid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/harrypotter-malfoy-father-hearaboutthis-gif-4935946

[uncut latch]

let me spam 50 messages

[upper basin]

Please don't. It will happen naturally.

[somber heath]

Have a read of the first instruction in #voice-verification.

[eager thorn]

smh

[uncut latch]

yep!!..don't wanna to get banned

but do you think the rules are pretty much harsh

[coral forge]

Is there any program that will give me new challenges every day to learn python

[somber heath]

No.

[upper basin]

What would you like to learn?

[coral forge]

How to make a game with python

[upper basin]

What type of game?

[coral forge]

Although I have very limited knowledge

[somber heath]

!kindling May be of interest to you.

[wise cargo]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[uncut latch]

but they are actually

[coral forge]

Something like hades, always been a dream!

[coral forge]

Thank you!! This’ll help!!

[eager thorn]

@turbid sandal please stop , genuinely asking nicely

[upper basin]

Those are games built from dedicated engines, which are often written in C++.

Maybe try something a bit easier?

How about a card game?

[uncut latch]

btw...I am confusing to learn coding like sometimes I watch web dev tutorials and when I see my friend coding in python I do that...there's very uncertainity

[upper basin]

Well there are some great resources to learn python if you need some basics.

!resources

[wise cargo]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[upper basin]

If you have the basics, then try to learn through the project itself. You'll learn better by facing issues and questions, and then solving/answering them through it.

I can give you a project, or you can use the kindling ones Opal sent. They are likely much better.

[uncut latch]

aah back then I tried some questions and projects to do it by myself...and I failed to do that, then my confidence broke

[eager thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494

[upper basin]

Well you'll learn through the project.

[uncut latch]

yep it will be good ig

[upper basin]

If you are doing sth that is too hard, try sth simpler, and build your way up.

[uncut latch]

hmm

[upper basin]

@whole bear Greetings

matplotlib

plt.show() or plt.imshow()

import matplotlib.pyplot as plt

[noble rose]

hi

wow super dev

send nitro

:3

i hate these leetcode problems

[turbid sandal]

me too

[noble rose]

i tried codewars

and they were much easier tbh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899763415290097664/1100487114954645564/attachment-6.gif

[eager thorn]

https://tenor.com/b1xDv.gif

[noble rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115364455887413301/1180109954552713226/BF22DEC9-AFD7-49A7-AE54-2A386EBE5122.gif?ex=657c3a0a&is=6569c50a&hm=29d980671e23c5e83b763654c99a8cbd17917eea01d47a8ee17c06977c339659&

[turbid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[noble rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152843042148057118/1185063130938757230/youd-1.gif

[turbid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/man-i-was-touched-ultimate-cowboy-showdown-overwhelmed-impressed-touch-gif-18508214

[noble rose]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

gonna check amount of messages

[whole bear]

does anyone know how to print in python whithout using the "print()" function??

[noble rose]

console.log

[whole bear]

in pyton

python

who have put that fucking flag on my message!

fuck isreal

isreal is losing the war

[noble rose]

have put*

its irregular verb

[whole bear]

ok

you are not brave

to go and fight face to face

[candid panther]

!silence

[wise cargo]

✅ silenced current channel for 10 minute(s).

[candid panther]

@whole bear @noble rose This is not the way to interact in the server. If you are not able to stay civil then your time here may be limited. Both of you take a break and read the #rules and #code-of-conduct

!unsilence

[wise cargo]

✅ unsilenced current channel.

[turbid sandal]

Thanks

[whole bear]

alnurr didn't do anything

[noble rose]

yeah

[candid panther]

Apologies, then @turbid sandal please read my message above

[whole bear]

yeah

[noble rose]

oh

[stark river]

@noble rose catching strays

[turbid sandal]

Please read #rules @whole bear like @candid panther said

[whole bear]

@candid panther @noble rose didn't do anything

[candid panther]

Spamming reactions is not appropriate

[whole bear]

i did

[noble rose]

he got it

[turbid sandal]

I know

talking to mr.hemlock

[whole bear]

the problem is much bigger than you think

[turbid sandal]

is it?

Please dont

just read #rules

[gritty garnet]

@whole bear @turbid sandal drop it, alright? We're moving on.

[turbid sandal]

thanks you!

[noble rose]

life goes on

[turbid sandal]

hell yeah

[whole bear]

I am not moving on then are killing babies and women

[turbid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-move-on-advice-dont-get-stuck-jennifer-lopez-saturday-night-live-gif-15754235

[whole bear]

who didn't doc anythingg

[noble rose]

please not politics

[candid panther]

!mute 882233326704930837 Take a break

[wise cargo]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @whole bear until <t:1706282959:f> (1 hour).

[turbid sandal]

jesus

[noble rose]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1191717453538021427/1197482275164663919/image0.gif

[candid panther]

Again, apologies for the ping

[upper basin]

Greetings Brad!

[noble rose]

no problem

[upper basin]

Great meeting your acquaintance sir. Please do drop into the call sometime.

[candid panther]

I don't do voice chat, too many meetings

[stark river]

brad be like.. i don't mix with the plebs /jk

[upper basin]

I see. Well I wish you a blessed weekend ahead good sir.

[stark river]

🧐

[noble rose]

[quasi sand]

yo what happened here?

[candid panther]

People misbehaved, and now it stopped

[turbid sandal]

yepp

[candid panther]

lol, no I just find the text channel portion of discord easier to access

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-hello-gif-24737226

[somber heath]

@hollow totem 👋

[turbid sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/home-office-busy-bored-in-the-house-depressing-bored-gif-12382598559018466234

[somber heath]

@frosty token 👋

[noble rose]

https://tenor.com/view/afham-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-jimmy-mcgill-gif-25559831

[frosty token]

👋

[stark river]

i gtg food searching 😦
i may have to resort to eating from outside ☹️

i mean a food stall.. not a dumpster

[somber heath]

@tawdry kernel 👋

[quasi sand]

food searching ?

[stark river]

i have no food i have to purchase from outside.. i dont like eating non home cooked food

[quasi sand]

i think subway provides healty food

[stark river]

🤣

[quasi sand]

BTW starship 3rd launch maybe in Feb, excited.

[stark river]

that reminds me there's a marathon coming up in the start of feb.. i need to check the dates to register and participate

[gentle flint]

@rugged root ordered some small bike stuff

the contents

it was mostly filled with wadding

[quasi sand]

damnnn

[gentle flint]

why they had to use such a huge box I do not know

[obsidian dragon]

they needed that giant box so it fits exactly in the truck

[quasi sand]

maybe separate a section of the truck that can fit small box

[gentle flint]

ig

bit weird

[rugged root]

https://youtu.be/YpKtzumUmmA?si=yAxbBc9-FSWFIWa6

[somber heath]

Fish-henge.

[rugged root]

Rotate pages clockwise and counterclockwise
Fuck. You. Adobe

[somber heath]

I use LibreOffice if I need to do pdf stuff.

[stark river]

LaTeX

[somber heath]

10 print "Hello, world."
20 Geauxteaux 10```

[stark river]

well let me know if you need anything made @rugged root

[rugged root]

Not a matter of making, just have to rotate my owl for science

https://tenor.com/bnPJs.gif

[somber heath]

https://youtu.be/nLwML2PagbY?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/8A5cMcsYVHY?feature=shared

[crystal fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-jD7kQvyPs

[stark river]

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/233513/how-to-rotate-a-pdf

[rugged root]

Eh, it's already done

[upper basin]

ngl, he's kinda bad.

Seeing Stacy's mom in his arms, it makes me beyond sad
But one day he'll see my charms, and it will make him mad,
maaad with love

Someday LOVE will find YOUUU

• Guitar solooo

[crystal fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw

[rugged root]

list[]

[upper basin]

def define_distance_matrix(self) -> List[List[float]]:
        """ Defines the distance matrix for the given coordinates.

        Returns
        -------
        `Distance_matrix` (List[List[float]]):
            The distance matrix.
        """
        # Initialize the distance matrix
        distance_matrix = []

        def distance_between_points(point_A: List[int],
                                    point_B: List[int]) -> float:
            """ Function for calculating the euclidean distance.

            Parameters
            ----------
            `point_A` (List[int]):
                The first point.
            `point_B` (List[int]):
                The second point.

            Returns
            -------
            `distance` (float):
                The euclidean distance between the two points.
            """
            return np.sqrt((point_A[0] - point_B[0]) ** 2 + (point_A[1] - point_B[1]) ** 2)

        # Calculate the distance matrix
        for a in self.coordinates:
            distance_matrix.append([distance_between_points(a, b) for b in self.coordinates])

        # Return the distance matrix
        return distance_matrix

Type matrix = List[List[float]]?

from typing import List

list[]

[whole bear]

Yo

[upper basin]

list[list[float]]

list[list[list[float]]] for dimension 3

[rugged root]

def define_distatnce_matrix(self) -> list:
   ...

!d typing.overload

[wise cargo]

typing.overload

@typing.overload```
Decorator for creating overloaded functions and methods.

The `@overload` decorator allows describing functions and methods that support multiple different combinations of argument types. A series of `@overload`-decorated definitions must be followed by exactly one non-`@overload`-decorated definition (for the same function/method).

`@overload`-decorated definitions are for the benefit of the type checker only, since they will be overwritten by the non-`@overload`-decorated definition. The non-`@overload`-decorated definition, meanwhile, will be used at runtime but should be ignored by a type checker. At runtime, calling an `@overload`-decorated function directly will raise [`NotImplementedError`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/exceptions.html#NotImplementedError).

[rugged root]

!d typing.Sequence

[wise cargo]

typing.Sequence

class typing.Sequence(Reversible[T_co], Collection[T_co])```
Deprecated alias to [`collections.abc.Sequence`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Sequence).

Deprecated since version 3.9: [`collections.abc.Sequence`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Sequence) now supports subscripting (`[]`). See [**PEP 585**](https://peps.python.org/pep-0585/) and [Generic Alias Type](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#types-genericalias).

[rugged root]

!d typing.Iterable

[wise cargo]

typing.Iterable

class typing.Iterable(Generic[T_co])```
Deprecated alias to [`collections.abc.Iterable`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Iterable).

Deprecated since version 3.9: [`collections.abc.Iterable`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections.abc.Iterable) now supports subscripting (`[]`). See [**PEP 585**](https://peps.python.org/pep-0585/) and [Generic Alias Type](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#types-genericalias).

[rugged root]

Did I die?

[upper basin]

NdimList(shape, dtype)

[rugged root]

Yeah, that'd work then

[upper basin]

God forbid

[rugged root]

OH

I totally forgot we had this channel, #type-hinting

[upper basin]

I did ask there.

They said to use List, but I didn't really fully comprehend, so I waited until you would be available.

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/6TAC.gif

[whole bear]

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-sax-saxophone-honkin-gif-1594316981281943396

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bankai-bleach-gif-20300269

[rugged root]

https://youtu.be/OC7AjhUzVpo?si=M3PEPRFy9PrcEm6A

[upper basin]

?

[amber raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/success-gif-20195083

[rugged root]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

https://monkeytype.com/

[stark river]

https://play.typeracer.com/

[stark river]

one finger typing?

[upper basin]

that's my only setting.

[stark river]

learn on my keyboard layout instead of qwerty. it's the best keyboard layout in the world

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/TC8h.gif

"Legitimate research"

[stark river]

smh these luddites

outperforms qwerty on distance covered, same finger bigrams and home row usage metrics

[rugged root]

https://tenor.com/bhS9b.gif

[rugged tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-25358104

@whole bear

[whole bear]

ok

[rugged root]

NDA Jam: Tournament Edition

[upper basin]

!e

from dataclasses import dataclass

@dataclass
class Axis:
    step: int
    length: int

@dataclass
class NdArray[T]:
    data: list[T]
    start: int
    axes: tuple[Axis]

    def __getitem__(self, indices: tuple[int]):
        position = self.start
        for axis, index in zip(self.axes, indices, strict=True):
            assert index in range(axis.length)
            position += axis.step * index
        assert position in range(len(self.data))
        return self.data[position]

array = NdArray(data=[0,1,2,3], start=0, axes=(Axis(step=2, length=2), Axis(step=1, length=2)))
print(array[0, 0])
print(array[0, 1])
print(array[1, 0])
print(array[1, 1])

[wise cargo]

@upper basin :white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | 0
002 | 1
003 | 2
004 | 3

[upper basin]

Why am I getting this error when I run this in my notebook?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /opt/conda/lib/python3.10/site-packages/IPython/core/compilerop.py:86 in ast_parse
    return compile(source, filename, symbol, self.flags | PyCF_ONLY_AST, 1)
  Cell In[10], line 9
    class NdArray[T]:
                 ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

Is this a python version thing?

[rapid chasm]

@rugged root Here is my aircheck if you want to take a look

[rugged root]

Nifty

[upper basin]

@rugged tundra so I'm trying to correct how I should use type hinting for generic lists.

[stark river]

you may need to define T?

[upper basin]

I don't know how to do it well, so I've been asking for opinions from the guys, and trying to learn.

[crystal fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXi35VowjMI

[rugged root]

!code

[wise cargo]

Formatting code on Discord

Here's how to format Python code on Discord:

```py
print('Hello world!')
```

These are backticks, not quotes. Check this out if you can't find the backtick key.

For long code samples, you can use our pastebin.

[rugged root]

Do the hightlighting

[upper basin]

here.

[rugged tundra]

Trying to fix a bug ATM

[vocal basin]

[upper basin]

Beg your pardon?

[rugged root]

Using the overloading decorator I pointed out earlier

[upper basin]

I was sort of following on the ND class way you suggested.

[upper basin]

Ohh

How would that work for Ndarray?

I am not sure how I should use it in this context.

[vocal basin]

another way to expressed what I showed with TypeVar bounds

also works for different numbers of arguments

[rugged root]

Ooo ooo ooo veggie tray in the kitchen brb

[vocal basin]

for fixed-size I'd probably still prefer typevar

*fixed-count

[upper basin]

What do you mean by fixed-size? I forgot.

[vocal basin]

of arguments

[upper basin]

Ooh

So what I would like to have would be the dimension (or shape, whatever) and dtype.

That's all.

I think dimension is better?

For type annotating at least.

[upper basin]

Like NDArray(dim=2, dtype=float) would be same as list[list[float]].

[rugged root]

Those mud guards are so intense for that car

It's like it's wearing shin guards backwards

@mild quartz Yo

[upper basin]

@vocal basin is this considered fixed size?

Greetings @mild quartz

[mild quartz]

yoyo

[upper basin]

Missed you mate

Thank you for dropping by

[stark river]

i asked in the lobby why do we need pydantic when typing stdlib has NewType
i got ans: ur pfp is js
smh

[rugged root]

https://docs.pydantic.dev/latest/

[upper basin]

@mild quartz Are you in the headspace to take a crack at my question?

Python typing question.

[rugged root]

@warm jackal Buddyyyyyyyyy

[mild quartz]

sure what is it

[upper basin]

Oooh thank you!

[warm jackal]

o/ 'time no talk! Much change on your end?

[upper basin]

Ok, so I would like to know what is the best way to type hint (and how to write the code) for generic lists in python.

[mild quartz]

https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/generics.html

[upper basin]

Let's say using sth like this code :

def define_distance_matrix(self) -> list[list[float]]:
        """ Defines the distance matrix for the given coordinates.

        Returns
        -------
        `Distance_matrix` (list[list[float]]):
            The distance matrix.
        """
        # Initialize the distance matrix
        distance_matrix = []

        def distance_between_points(point_A: list[int],
                                    point_B: list[int]) -> float:
            """ Function for calculating the euclidean distance.

            Parameters
            ----------
            `point_A` (List[int]):
                The first point.
            `point_B` (List[int]):
                The second point.

            Returns
            -------
            `distance` (float):
                The euclidean distance between the two points.
            """
            return np.sqrt((point_A[0] - point_B[0]) ** 2 + (point_A[1] - point_B[1]) ** 2)

        # Calculate the distance matrix
        for a in self.coordinates:
            distance_matrix.append([distance_between_points(a, b) for b in self.coordinates])

        # Return the distance matrix
        return distance_matrix

[warm jackal]

def foo(bar: list[T]):
    pass

No?

[upper basin]

I would like to know what's the best way to do this, in a way that is readible (user would know if the variable is a vector, or matrix, or some tensor of rank N. Also a way that if a professional developer looks at wouldn't think I'm a stupid person.

[upper basin]

Well how would you represent matrix and vector? Would they be different, or the same?

[mild quartz]

you can use numpy and numpy types

or torch and torch types

or a generic container

or a union type of list, NDArray, Tensor

[warm jackal]

A vector is a list of set size.
A matrix is a list of n vectors of m length each.

[upper basin]

This is what I would like. A generic, mutable, iterable object.

[upper basin]

Well that's my question, if you would do list[list[T]], then you would have to nest them for N.

[stark river]

object? i think you mean list?

[upper basin]

Yes.

I was doing a class for representing this, so that's why I said object.

[upper basin]

I was thinking of making a class like this to make this representation. Not my code, Alisa kindly wrote this for me, and I liked it since I would know the supported methods this way.

[warm jackal]

FInd out (I don't know myself) if python supports typehinting an iterable of a given size/length. Then use that if it exists.

[mild quartz]

abc.MutableSequence?

[warm jackal]

The rest you can compose yourself w/type aliasing.

[mild quartz]

you probably just want a generic list

[upper basin]

Someone suggested that in #type-hinting and said to use list instead with python 3.12.

[mild quartz]

yeah

you should use list

[upper basin]

Yeah, something that would show the dimension, and dtype.

[mild quartz]

i dont think python can do dimension

[upper basin]

But then how would I express an N dimensional list?

[warm jackal]

This code example does not define a vector in any way (formally). Because it does not constrain or hint at any size. So there's nothing stopping you from making a matrix of multple NDArrays of differing lengths/sizes

[mild quartz]

I don't believe you can do that with typing

[upper basin]

Ok, so let's say I make a class for this. Is it sth I can do but shouldn't or sth that is good to do given my circumstance?

[mild quartz]

you could use pydantic

for this

and write a verifier for the length of the object

[upper basin]

Well I would do sth like NdArray(dim=1, dtype=float) for vector, and NdArray(dim=2, dtype=float) for matrix, and so on.

[upper basin]

I am not familiar with pydantic. I'll have a look at it right away!

[upper basin]

But what do you guys think of this?

Is it a bad practice?

[rugged root]

Wife's been sick still (since Oct 2022), work is going the same, still gaming a lot, recently signed up for some coding courses that also assist with making a portfolio and getting freelance work

[mild quartz]

well it doesn't exist

[warm jackal]

@upper basin Here, I did your googling for you. You can do with this what you will. But this seems like you should be able to implement something that match any formal definition of a vector/matrix: https://stackoverflow.com/a/49434182

[mild quartz]

numpy.typing has NDArray

[upper basin]

What doesn't exist?

[warm jackal]

Wrong: https://stackoverflow.com/a/49434182

[mild quartz]

He's talking about NDArray type

[upper basin]

Yes, but I was under the impression that using a very specific type would be relying too much on numpy.

[mild quartz]

its a type defined in numpy.typing

[rugged root]

Arbitrarily deep arrays that's what she said

[upper basin]

I was hoping for sth more generic.

[warm jackal]

Okay

[mild quartz]

I'm just saying that NDArray in np.typing isn't sized

[upper basin]

Yeah, sth like np.ndarray, but with syntax similar to list?

[mild quartz]

you should try what x10an14 suggested or Pydantic

[upper basin]

This?

[warm jackal]

Tbf, a tuple is designed to be of a specific size, with a specific type variable T.

[upper basin]

I apologize if I am asking a question multiple times, I believe I missed it, what does pydantic do basically?

[mild quartz]

you can define types with validators

[upper basin]

Now I see my mistake. It would only work for type hinting, but would fail with actual variable making which would need specific size.

[rugged root]

You can feed it a JSON or what have you and it'll validate the data, making sure it conforms to the spec

[mild quartz]

This would only work at runtime though

I don't think the hints would work

like wouldn't detect wrongly sized array in your ide

[upper basin]

Well the hints are more of being a good programmer.

I know it doesn't affect the code.

Like runtime-wise.

[rugged root]

There are ways to make it do so

But it's... weird

discord.py does it

I think they're called converters?

[upper basin]

Also, what I would REALLY hope for is to allow it to take in numpy.ndarray, or list, etc. and convert it to its own format?

[crystal fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2UY_3RNggU

[upper basin]

Like maybe sth like :

if not isinstance(list_passed, NdArray):
    list_passed = NdArray.convert(list_passed)

Am I over-complicating it?

Like I feel I'm going on a tanget that makes everyone slap their foreheads, smh style.

[mild quartz]

Why do you need such a generic interface?

why not just use ndarrays

[upper basin]

Because from what I experienced, numpy has its own specific methods and syntax, and I dominantly use list, mainly because it's more generic and straightforward to use, and also feel like when users think of a list of let's say indices, they do [1, 2, 3], not np.array([1, 2, 3]).

I know it's a very flawed reasoning, but it's why I haven't really fully depended on numpy.

[rugged root]

If you're making something like this, pick one

[kind wharf]

Can someone please help me with this - https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1200489481686483015

[rugged root]

Trying to cover too many cases is just going to bog down your code and actually overcomplicate things

[upper basin]

Yeah, "Make up your mind already." is the right advice.

[upper basin]

I think that's why I am so confused.

I am thinking of way too many things.

[mild quartz]

but you're doing linear algebra stuff right?

so lists will be slow

numpy has built in vectorization and other optimizations

[upper basin]

Mainly yes, but not necessarily. Some of the functions and methods use list, but the list is not a LA object.

[rugged root]

Huh, hadn't heard of JAX before

[upper basin]

You mean when you do np.array([1, 2, 3]) is more efficient than [1, 2, 3]? Did I misunderstand?

[mild quartz]

I've told you about jax 😢

[mild quartz]

no, but when you do any operation with the vector

[rugged root]

Correction: My ADHD brain did not properly abosrb information about JAX because I don't have a usecase

[upper basin]

Oh.

[mild quartz]

this is why numpy exists

[upper basin]

I understand.

[rugged root]

numpy itself is super super efficient

[mild quartz]

just rewrite everything in numpy

[rugged root]

So enforcing or pushing your users to use it is only benenficial

[mild quartz]

or if you need GPUs use Jax or torch

[upper basin]

Let's see, I use padding and normalization and flattening , so in those cases numpy is better?

[mild quartz]

oh yeah

[rugged root]

Very much so

[upper basin]

So I should adopt numpy as the generic iterable/list interface?

[mild quartz]

try benchmarking L2 norm in numpy vs your own implementation

just use NDArray types

[upper basin]

Well mine would likely suck since I don't use any optimizations in that regards.

[mild quartz]

exactly

and you get it for free in numpy

very optimal C implementations

[upper basin]

Ok, so I have to adopt numpy.ndarray as my generic interface, and use np.array as vector, and np.ndarray for N dimensional lists?

[upper basin]

Yes, that's sth I have been thinking of.

That makes more sense. Thank you so much for that.

[mild quartz]

use the numpy typing module

[upper basin]

@rugged root @mild quartz @vocal basin thank you guys!

[kind wharf]

Any idea why JAX fails with joblib?

[upper basin]

Yeah, I'll get on that, and start using that by default.

[mild quartz]

are you trying to serialize something that is still on device?

[kind wharf]

This is what I'm doing -

# This experiment showed that more CPUs (from 2 to 6) did help speedup JAX code

from joblib import Parallel, delayed
import gym
import os
from sbx import SAC
import multiprocessing

def my_func():

    env = gym.make("Humanoid-v4")

    model = SAC("MlpPolicy", env,verbose=0)
    model.learn(total_timesteps=7e5, progress_bar=True)


Parallel(n_jobs=6)(delayed(my_func)() for i in range(6))

[rugged root]

@prisma swallow @prime coral Yo to you both

[mild quartz]

jax has its own parallelism modules

[kind wharf]

vmap?

[mild quartz]

https://jax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/notebooks/Distributed_arrays_and_automatic_parallelization.html

https://jax.readthedocs.io/en/latest/multi_process.html

definitely don't mix and match joblib/multiprocessing with jax

[kind wharf]

Oof

Firstly thank you for your help

[kind wharf]

Could you please tell me the name of the JAX function that helps with parallelization? I am a newbie and most of these terms on the documentation don't make sense to me 🙂

[mild quartz]

why do you need ot use jax

is it that this gym lib is written in jax?

[kind wharf]

Because I am doing Reinforcement Learning.

[mild quartz]

unfortunately you need to read and learn the docs about this

[kind wharf]

No, the gym library is the data for RL. The sbx library needs JAX

[mild quartz]

this library youre using should have this built in

[prime coral]

yo

[mild quartz]

brb standup

[rugged root]

How goes it