deep cave Apr 26, 2018, 7:20 AM

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I mean at its core, you're just redirecting to a discord login page and then fetching a token that you can use to validate that the user is logged in - the extra complexity beyond that is up to you

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and if you want to know more about them - like what roles they have on which servers and so on - you'll need more than just the discord login

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you'll need the bot to fetch all that info and push it over to a database that the site can access, cause the login won't give you much info at all.

white pine Apr 26, 2018, 9:21 AM

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@deep cave sorry for ping but could you suggest me any website or whatever to learn programming a website with Python?

deep cave Apr 26, 2018, 9:45 AM

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actually I don't know any comprehensive tutorials for that. I will say though that both Django and Flask have pretty decent tutorials on their official pages.

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they also have good docs

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I do wish someone would make a comprehensive webdev with python course.. I've even considered making one myself.

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my recommendation right now is, if you already know python, just to start with Flask and follow their quickstart

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http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/0.12/quickstart/

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to get a basic website up and running

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once you just get started you can learn one thing at a time from there. your learning can be motivated by actual needs, rather than arbitrarily dictated.

brittle copper Apr 26, 2018, 9:51 AM

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I'd do a Django one myself but I sound like a 2 year old Spanish baby girl with Chinese accent when I try to speak English

deep cave Apr 26, 2018, 9:51 AM

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when I was learning django, I used this one

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https://tutorial.djangogirls.org/en/

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and it was pretty good

meager anchor Apr 26, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Adding OAuth to my project with Django wasn‘t that complicated, what‘s hard is using it for permissions

deep cave Apr 26, 2018, 10:16 AM

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yeah

meager anchor Apr 26, 2018, 10:22 AM

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so i had to make a bunch of mixins that provide template tags like „is_member“ or return Forbidden when is_member = False and so on. I‘d probably prefer to just hook into Django‘s permission system but that‘s probably a bit more complicated

delicate otter Apr 26, 2018, 2:53 PM

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For a Django project.

I read about using Jinja2 instead of Django template engine. Before Django I used Flask, so I have some experience with Jinja2, but on every stackoverflow and quora thread, someone says "using logic in template is stupid", talking about pure python in templates with Jinja2. Why is it stupid ? I think my code is cleaner when I can call some functions from my templates, like datetime.now and things like that, instead of tweaking all the shit in my view in context processor, etc.

And if I use Jinja2, what can happen in long term ? Can I have some problem with using Jinja2 in Django?

meager anchor Apr 26, 2018, 2:54 PM

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there's actually a lot of stuff you can do in django templates

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if you want to call e.g. datetime.now in django templates, there's a builtin for that

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https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/ref/templates/builtins/#now

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but I don't think that using the Django templating engine instead of Jinja will be too different

molten tide Apr 26, 2018, 2:56 PM

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I think the general idea is you want to keep your logic and view layers modular

delicate otter Apr 26, 2018, 2:57 PM

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DateTime is a example.

My real problem is that I have some getshit(id) personnal functions that i want to call in my templates

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like getstaffdepartement(52) that return a string "HR" for example.

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Its only some read-only func.

Its my preference to do that, but in term of security, what can happen?

meager anchor Apr 26, 2018, 2:59 PM

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if you want to do something like that in your templates, you can write your own custom template tags in django - https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/howto/custom-template-tags/

molten tide Apr 26, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I don't think it's an issue with security

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the issue is your view layer now "knows" how your logic layer works, which it shouldn't have to

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for a more in depth explanation of this idea see https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy

InfoQ

Simple Made Easy

Rich Hickey emphasizes simplicity’s virtues over easiness’, showing that while many choose easiness they may end up with complexity, and the better way is to choose easiness along the simplicity path.

delicate otter Apr 26, 2018, 3:02 PM

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I will look into all that. Thx for your answers @meager anchor @molten tide

winged ermine Apr 26, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Hello people. A question regarding emails - I've managed to send emails using smtplib and my email adress, this was achived via a simple script. What I actually want to do is to allow users to send files to me using a webpage as interface.

The site itself will have a form where the user can choose a file to attach, aswell as a couple of extra options.

So my question is - can this be done with smtplib? How would I handle the user's pw? (if it has to be handled at all) Or are there other ways to achieve this?

As always, excuse my english and my lack of expertise with python. Thank you all. = )

brave mantle Apr 26, 2018, 6:33 PM

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@winged ermine It can be done with smtplib, but you are probably better off having them upload it to the site with a form and storing it there - sending emails that way will probably end up with your email address being blacklisted

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ripe imp Apr 26, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I have this SurveyMonkey website that I want to create a Flask app out of

brave mantle Apr 26, 2018, 6:33 PM

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You want to build a survey site?

ripe imp Apr 26, 2018, 6:40 PM

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I wnt to replicate this website using Flask

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Only a single page from that website

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It's basically a survey only

brave mantle Apr 26, 2018, 6:47 PM

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It's not as trivial as you'd think

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But it depends what level of professionalism you're going for

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Whether you're storing personal details - you'd need a GDPR process if so

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if you just have a form and want to store responses, that's fairly easy

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maybe look into the flask docs themselves, as well as flask-wtf and some kind of storage backend - mysql, postgresql, rethinkdb, whatever you want

keen crest Apr 26, 2018, 9:12 PM

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https://www.palletsprojects.com/blog/flask-1-0-released/

Pallets

Flask 1.0 Released

ripe imp Apr 26, 2018, 9:13 PM

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What backend goes best with sqlite?

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Yes, I'm just storing responses

brave mantle Apr 26, 2018, 9:33 PM

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sqlite is no good for flask @ripe imp

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you need to be running a bunch of flask worker processes, and the resulting issues are not that fun

ripe imp Apr 26, 2018, 9:36 PM

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I'll use MySQL then

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Yo guys

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Do you add your paginators with js or serverside?

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:22 PM

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I tend to prefer server-side

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It's less processing, potentially less network traffic, and doesn't require the user to have JS enabled

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

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I see, nice! :D

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Are they called sql based? I have no idea but SQLite is pretty much enough for me and does it's job pretty good except not being able to filter some stuff

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What would be the closest database that I can use? MySQL seems to be it but I wanted to ask you pros

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:44 PM

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Don't use SQLite for anything multi-process, that's the rule

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Most websites you'll build will have multiple worker processes

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so, no sqlite for you

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I am not sure what workers are but if you are talking about that you can't write multiple items in it, yeah it is one of the reason that I'm gonna switch :D

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Can't write multiple at the same time*

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Well, basically

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and this is especially true for things like flask

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Most of the time, your webapp is single-threaded, without concurrency

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so, you can only handle a single request at a time

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therefore what most people do is spawn a set of worker processes

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using, for example, gunicorn

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that way, a bunch of instances of your webapp are running in parallell

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this allows you to handle way more concurrent requests, but since sqlite is a purely file-backed database, you're going to have a lot of problems if you try to access it from multiple processes at once

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realistically what you need is a database that comes with its own server

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so, yes, mysql, postgresql, but also document-oriented databases such as rethinkdb, or key-value stores like redis

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Hmm I don't know anything about the other structures so I'd like to go for a sql one

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Which would be better, mysql or postgre?

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:50 PM

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postgres is generally considered the best sql database out there

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the sql is different to what you may be used to

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however

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you often don't actually want to be writing sql anyway

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I mean I'm hoping what I will use will have its own ORM(?) or whatever it is called that would let me write it in python :D

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:51 PM

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SQLAlchemy is the go-to ORM for relational databases

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Like the SQLite used it django objects.get.filter blabla

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:51 PM

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document-oriented databases have no query language, and so no ORMs

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you mostly just write python

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Nice

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:52 PM

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rethinkdb is great at this

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a document, by the way, is a mapping type

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which is to say

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a dict

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however, on the other hoof, relational databases like MySQL and PostgreSQL are way, way more strict

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in a sense, that makes them safer

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:53 PM

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I mean my data has a lot of relations with eachother like almost everything is either are a foreign key or a manytomany

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:53 PM

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you create your table, it has these fields, and they're those types

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this field can only ever be a number

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and it has to be present

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this is the kind of validation you get from a relational database

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and it's entirely built-in

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if you try to insert data that doesn't match the schema for your table, you get a loud error

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which can be great, since it's very obvious when you mess up

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most document-based databases do not do this

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you can give it whatever you want

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it'll take it

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now, some of them do allow you to specify a schema

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in that case, it's an optional thing, but it's there if you need it

brittle copper Apr 27, 2018, 6:54 PM

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The loud errors is in the relational databases right?

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I need that because I suck

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xD

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After all this I think I'm gonna go with postgre, thank you :D

brave mantle Apr 27, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Gotcha

bleak void Apr 27, 2018, 7:41 PM

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What framework supports async well? Is aiohttp pretty much the only choice?

strange thorn Apr 27, 2018, 7:43 PM

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sanic

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feels like flask but supports async

bleak void Apr 27, 2018, 7:46 PM

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thanks! are there plans for Flask or Django to fully support async or is the effort infeasible?

strange thorn Apr 27, 2018, 7:49 PM

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not that i knew about

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 6:35 AM

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I need help making a table in html

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A table of radio buttons

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So far, I've used <input name='optradio'> to make the radio buttons optional (only single click)

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I can now select only one button

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Not from each row but the entire table, I can select only one radio button

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But I want to be able to select one radio button from each row

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 6:40 AM

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So each row needs to have its own name

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 6:44 AM

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That name attribute can only work with input tags to create optional radio inputs

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 6:44 AM

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yes, obviously

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you need to have a different name for each row of radio buttons

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 6:46 AM

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Different names like?

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 6:47 AM

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you solved it by putting a name on the inputs

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each row of inputs

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needs a unique name

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I'm not sure how else to explain this to you :P

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 6:49 AM

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optradio is a predefined name that gives that property to radio buttons

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Other names won't

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:00 AM

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I don't get your point

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That is how you must solve this problem

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If you need to generate the names dynamically, well, what's wrong with that?

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you said it's a predefined name

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Yes

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:06 AM

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it's only predefined in that it's in the generated html

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there's no reason you can't generate the names using a template

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or, heck, even js

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:09 AM

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I'm sorry I don't know how to do that

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If you check the code, you'll see that I've

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Created td elements for each radio button

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And given optradio attribute for each

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And that makes only one of radio buttons from the entire table (matrix) to be selected

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Whereas I want for every row

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:16 AM

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I really can't think of a better way to explain the solution

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Radio buttons with the same name act as a single group

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So, clearly, you want each row to be a group

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which means the radio buttons in each row need different names

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:18 AM

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But you see, optradio1 as a name won't work

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Why?

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:18 AM

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optradio is a name in the bootstrap.min.css

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File that I'm importing

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:18 AM

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CSS does not operate on names

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It uses classes and IDs, mostly

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It's just how HTML works?

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The browser is doing that

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:20 AM

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So yea anyway, anything apart from optradio doesn't work

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As a name

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:21 AM

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There's no reason that that should be the case

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:23 AM

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^updated code in Pastebin link

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Run the spinner if you want, doesn't work

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Snippet

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:24 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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so, yeah, you were saying? :P

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Lol, sorry, my bad

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Probably some superclass affecting shit

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 7:26 AM

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I need to AFK, but that definitely works

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 7:37 AM

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@brave mantle Done! Thanks a lot man!!

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Quick help: how to center the radio buttons in that table?

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Center each radio button in its respective cell

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align-self doesn't work

meager anchor Apr 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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are you using grid / flexbox?

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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neither doesn't margin or padding

meager anchor Apr 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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afaik align-self only works there

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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@meager anchor I'm using a normal HTML table

meager anchor Apr 28, 2018, 8:05 AM

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okay

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well for nice alignment, i'd use something like flexbox or grid

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they are CSS things that allow you to control the layout of your website

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https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/a-guide-to-flexbox/ and https://flexboxfroggy.com/ are really good

CSS-Tricks

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Flexbox Froggy

A game for learning CSS flexbox

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then you can give your the buttons nice alignment along the page, along with padding, responsiveness™ and more great stuff

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 8:07 AM

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Looking into it.. thanks 👍

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 8:08 AM

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right yeah, I forgot to say that

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tables for layout is a big no

meager anchor Apr 28, 2018, 8:08 AM

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note that flexbox is for one-dimensional layouts though, maybe grid is better suited for this

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Oh, okay, so it turns out you can do padding and all with normal HTML tables, just need to apply it to the correct tags (in this case, th and td)

brave mantle Apr 28, 2018, 8:09 AM

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don't use tables for layout

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tables are for tabular data

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@meager anchor you can definitely nest flex containers

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we do that on the wiki

meager anchor Apr 28, 2018, 8:10 AM

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oh well

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:25 AM

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im looking for a text color that looks good and is easy to read in this background

📎 unknown.png

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:27 AM

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i have your IP address now >:D DDoS's 127.0.0.1

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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its local 😜

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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(that's the joke)

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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😂

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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that dark yellow GitHub looks ew

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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yea its olive

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looking for a better color

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

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olive is bad in most cases

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this is one of them

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^^

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not saying I could do much better but y'know, criticism.

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:29 AM

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get a better color

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:30 AM

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hmm

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you see, i don't really know

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:D

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:30 AM

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lol k

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Have you tried a light washed out seafoam green, @marsh canyon?

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:32 AM

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no

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code?

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:32 AM

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or the same colour as squid dude's shadow?

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:32 AM

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that's what i was going to suggest ^

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:34 AM

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also to guess a hex code for a light seafoam green off the top of my head

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uh

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:34 AM

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hmm

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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#D0E6F1

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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light green

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📎 unknown.png

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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B0E0F0 is my guess

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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the light blue of the squid dude's shadow would be better imo

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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yeah same

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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oki

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:35 AM

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more consistent

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

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the codes arent working

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

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that's 9CDAF0

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

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i put it as lightblue

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📎 unknown.png

cyan pilot Apr 28, 2018, 10:37 AM

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doesn't appear to be the same light blue of the shadow though

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:37 AM

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yea lil different

tame viper Apr 28, 2018, 10:38 AM

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the hex code i sent (#9CDAF0) is the shadow blue

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you'll have to google how to get them to work if you want to use it

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:39 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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code works

native tide Apr 28, 2018, 10:39 AM

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🙏

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 10:40 AM

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🙏🏽

native tide Apr 28, 2018, 10:58 AM

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You could also just put a small outline around the text to make your preferred text colour pop out

marsh canyon Apr 28, 2018, 11:54 AM

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how to add outline

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Hi, I'm using django and when I try to render my form to html, the foreign key inside my models.py renders as a drop down menu with nothing able to be selected instead of having an input for "first name" and "last name". Here is my models.py if you are able to help

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    firstName = models.CharField(max_length=25)
    lastName = models.CharField(max_length=25)

    def __str__(self):
        return "{} {}".format(self.firstName, self.lastName)

class Period(models.Model):
    classNumber = models.IntegerField()


class ScheduleItems(models.Model):
    class Days(ChoiceEnum):
        MONDAY = "Monday"
        TUESDAY = "Tuesday"
        WEDNESDAY = "Wednesday"
        THURSDAY = "Thursday"
        FRIDAY = "Friday"
    
    teacher = models.ForeignKey(Teacher, on_delete=models.CASCADE)
    day = models.CharField(max_length=10, choices=Days.choices())
    period = models.ManyToManyField(Period)

    def __str__(self):
        return "Day: {} Class: {}".format(self.day, self.period)```

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:17 PM

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or do you guys know of other discord channels that helps specifically with django?

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:23 PM

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I think it's because ForeignKey expects a string as the first arg

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not the class

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try "Teacher"

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@polar vessel

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:25 PM

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okay thanks, i'll give it a try right now

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:25 PM

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it's possible that it works with both though, I've just always used a string when I've done it.

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:25 PM

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from what i understand, a string is used if the Teacher model wasn't already created

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:26 PM

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mm, I see

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:26 PM

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yea still the same but thanks for the help

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:27 PM

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can you show some of the actual form code?

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or are you using generic forms?

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:29 PM

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sure, one sec

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    class Meta:
        model = ScheduleItems
        fields = '__all__' ```

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:32 PM

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right, so that won't work by default I think

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5708650/how-do-i-add-a-foreign-key-field-to-a-modelform-in-django

How do I add a Foreign Key Field to a ModelForm in Django?

What I would like to do is to display a single form that lets the user:
Enter a document title (from Document model)
Select one of their user_defined_code choices from a drop down list (populated ...

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did you look at this?

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might be relevant to this problem

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 4:32 PM

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i'll read it now

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appreciate it brother

deep cave Apr 28, 2018, 4:34 PM

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that's what we're here for. hope you figure it out, I gotta run now.

ripe imp Apr 28, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Guys, quick question: if I have a form in HTML, and I want to store the responses locally, how do I do that?

polar vessel Apr 28, 2018, 6:01 PM

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is it a large data size?

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like large enough to need a database?

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or could you get away with localstorage in html

formal junco Apr 28, 2018, 6:06 PM

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@marsh canyon out*

marsh canyon Apr 29, 2018, 3:48 AM

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? @formal junco

formal junco Apr 29, 2018, 3:49 AM

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It says “check them our today” instead of “check them out today” @marsh canyon

marsh canyon Apr 29, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Ops

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Thanks! Why dint I notice that 🤔

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 8:05 PM

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@ripe imp I think you would want to add a backend, like flask, to your form and make a database to store the data entered

ripe imp Apr 29, 2018, 8:19 PM

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@grand badge Thanks for responding.. yea, I'm actually done with it.. used Flask with sqlite to store database locally on the server the script is running on

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Flask's actually brilliant for things like this

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 8:20 PM

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yes, flask is great ^^

ripe imp Apr 29, 2018, 8:20 PM

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For futurity, don't use WTForms unless it's a very standard form you're using, it's very restrictive

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 8:21 PM

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yep, i would use normal forms and request.form[] to solve your problem

ripe imp Apr 29, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Exactly.. and the best part is the arg for form is the name tag not the id tag

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So, you can have properties of id tag as well

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 8:50 PM

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not a python question, but in CSS when should classes be used instead of IDs and vice versa?

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 8:52 PM

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ids are for things that are unique

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classes are for things that occur more than once

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 8:52 PM

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good explanation, thanks ^^

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 8:53 PM

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😄

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 8:53 PM

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also, my memory is shit, #ids and .classes right?

mild bridge Apr 29, 2018, 8:53 PM

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yep

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 8:53 PM

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yay!

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so just to clarify, i would use an id for my navigation/title bar, as there's only gonna be one on the page?

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:00 PM

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yes

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:00 PM

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alrighty cool ^^

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:00 PM

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note that you don't have to, I just use classes for everything

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but that would be the case for an ID

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:01 PM

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yeah i'm aware, and for some reason it feels like it should be a class to me, but apparently not

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:01 PM

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ids are much more useful if you're building your website old school jquery style where you target everything manually with your JS

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if you're using a framework like react where everything's components they're much less useful

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:01 PM

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i see

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would that apply with flask?

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:02 PM

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flask is a backend, it's unrelated to how you set up your frontend

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:02 PM

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oh yeah haha sorry, i'm very tuned out when it comes to webdev

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:02 PM

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no worries, from a high level there are two main architectures

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1 is templating where you create webpages as you need them in your backend and them send them to your user

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the other is single page app where you send a blob of JS initially and then further exchange with your backend is data, and the frontend changes itself depending on that data

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:03 PM

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oh okay i see

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:04 PM

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the first one is what you'd see if you've ever used something like handlerbars or jade, or any kind of <h1> {{data here}}} </h1> thing

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second one you'd see if you're using angular/react/vue/etc

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:04 PM

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ah alrighty

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:05 PM

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the key distinction to remember is your server, which is the computer that's running your app, and the client, which is the user's computer that you send html/css/js to

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:05 PM

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yep

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:05 PM

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flask runs on the server only

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:06 PM

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imagine just saying "oh yeah before you can use this site you need to install python and do python -m pip install flask okay cool"

molten tide Apr 29, 2018, 9:06 PM

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yup

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users don't like downloading things in general, which makes websites really nice

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:06 PM

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yup

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webapps > desktop apps

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also, how do i get rid of this? :o

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grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 9:07 PM

#

Padding 0 px

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Or margin 0px in css file

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:08 PM

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moved it up a little haha

📎 unknown.png

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you see, i'm using padding on a regular <p> for now as the title bar sorta thing

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Search up "box model"

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:10 PM

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well you see my CSS is this ```css
#topbar {
display: block;
color: white;
text-align: center;
padding: 16px 16px;
background-color: #333333;
float: center;
margin: 0px;
}

#topbar:hover {
background-color: #111111;
}

if that's any use

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ew css syntax highlighting is ugly

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Try setting padding 0px too

mild bridge Apr 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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you could have the box in your body (set body to "margin:0;padding:0"), with all the rest of the page stuff in a container that you apply the usual margin to

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that's probably not the right way to do it though GWfroggyZoomeyes

tame viper Apr 29, 2018, 9:12 PM

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well it worked ^^

native tide Apr 29, 2018, 10:40 PM

#

Could anybody put me on the right track when it comes to learning/getting familiar with Django?

brave mantle Apr 29, 2018, 10:42 PM

#

Two Scoops of Django comes recommended by us, but it's not free

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You can find it in our books section https://pythondiscord.com/info/resources#books

Python Discord | Resources

A list of helpful resources for beginner and experienced Python programmers alike

native tide Apr 29, 2018, 10:45 PM

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I have no problems with paying to learn, thanks a lot dude!

meager anchor Apr 29, 2018, 10:58 PM

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i learnt all my django stuff from the official docs

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there's a really nice tutorial which familiarizes you with most basic stuff

grand badge Apr 29, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Prettyprinted dot com

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Flask and django tutorials there

native tide Apr 30, 2018, 10:39 AM

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I'll check that out as well, thanks!

dry portal Apr 30, 2018, 11:59 AM

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My Flask url_for just results in a BuildError and I have no clue why, could anyone help please?

#

<link rel="stylesheet" href="{{ url_for('assets/css', filename='main.css') }}" />```

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Never mind, figured it out

fast saddle May 1, 2018, 4:22 AM

#

oh

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hi

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so like

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i wanna put this specific part of a website in like a box

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if u know what i mean

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like a big card over a background

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apparently it's called text overlay or smth?

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think of it like iframing a site but not really if u know what i mean

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anyone?

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i found the perfect example at https://htmlcolorcodes.com/

HTML Color Codes

Easily find HTML color codes for your website using our color picker, color chart and HTML color names with Hex color codes, RGB and HSL values.

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kinda like how everything is on a card over a background

native tide May 1, 2018, 9:29 AM

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django or flask better

brave mantle May 1, 2018, 10:01 AM

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I need to FAQ that question, eh?

meager anchor May 1, 2018, 10:35 AM

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yes

delicate otter May 1, 2018, 3:14 PM

#

Someone is good with Django ?

I installed TinyMCE in my project this morning and now I want to switch to CKEditor.

The thing is, when I execute my program (i uninstalled TinyMCE and all tinymce things in my code) the migration system block me.

And I cant do shit. If I delete the old migration, my program is dead.

When I execute I have this error:

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'tinymce'

And in the file app/migrations/0020_testmce.py

from django.db import migrations, models
import tinymce.models


class Migration(migrations.Migration):

    dependencies = [
        ('site_web', '0019_auto_20180430_0025'),
    ]

    operations = [
        migrations.CreateModel(
            name='testmce',
            fields=[
                ('id', models.AutoField(auto_created=True, primary_key=True, serialize=False, verbose_name='ID')),
                ('content', tinymce.models.HTMLField(blank=True, null=True, verbose_name='Content')),
            ],
            options={
                'verbose_name': 'Test',
                'verbose_name_plural': 'Tests',
            },
        ),
    ]

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So this file is blocking the execution of my program.

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I edited the fucking migration file.

neat nest May 1, 2018, 4:36 PM

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@fast saddle that just looks like some fancy styled scrolling divs

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or block-styled list elements, looking at the source

fast saddle May 1, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Block styled?

neat nest May 1, 2018, 4:40 PM

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I'm on my phone so I can't get adventurous, but try using your browser's HTML inspector to look at those will elements and their properties

meager anchor May 1, 2018, 5:28 PM

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@delicate otter well, since you used a field from tinymce, you need to re-install it if you want to run the migrations

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I think you can reinstall it, create a new migration, and then squash the old migrations so the tinymce stuff is gone

delicate otter May 1, 2018, 6:06 PM

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I dont have the import tinymce line abymore and it seems gucci

meager anchor May 1, 2018, 6:08 PM

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did you just remove it?

delicate otter May 2, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Yeah

meager anchor May 2, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Well, if someone tries to run your migrations from scratch now and you didn‘t squash it, they probably can‘t

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Unless they install the library, of course

hearty birch May 3, 2018, 8:47 PM

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erm, sort of new to web development. using a bootstrap starter template thing - just wondering how to get the items inside a navbar to follow the content's edges? if that makes sense

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I want the navbar within here for example

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oh I got it nvm

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I just chucked it inside a container

tame viper May 5, 2018, 12:44 PM

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what are the rules about asking HTML/CSS related stuff in here?

strange thorn May 5, 2018, 12:55 PM

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People asked before so I guess it is ok

tame viper May 5, 2018, 12:59 PM

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body {
    margin: 0;
    padding: 0;
    background: url("unknown.png");
    background-attachment: fixed;
}

.topbar p {
    position: -webkit-sticky;
    position: sticky;
    margin: 0 15%;
    top: 0;
    background-color: #555;
    text-align: center;
    color: white;
    display: block;
    padding: 15px;
    transition: .5s;
}

.topbar p:hover {
    background-color: #666;
}
```for some reason, the `position: sticky;` has no effect. i've tried quite a few different things with no success.

tame viper May 5, 2018, 2:13 PM

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^ anyone got any ideas? ^^

molten tide May 5, 2018, 2:32 PM

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it should be -webkit-position iirc if you're trying to add a webkit specific attribute

tame viper May 5, 2018, 2:38 PM

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hmm okay i'll give that a go once i get back to my computer

molten tide May 5, 2018, 2:39 PM

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is this a webpack app?

tame viper May 5, 2018, 3:15 PM

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nope

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i got it working a different way actually, thanks anyways ^^

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:22 AM

#

Anyone know of a way to give a django variable passed from a view a new value in a template?

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:28 AM

#

could you elaborate a little on what you mean?

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Hi Lucy. My django view passes a dictionary of values to my html template. I want to change the value of one of them in the html template.

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Not sure of that can be done.

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I saw an example of creating a new variable but not an existing one.

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This value belongs to a form.

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I think ajax might be the way.

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Trying to avoid that if possible.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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there's the with tag which can be used to assign a variable for the duration of a particular context, but that doesn't sound like what you're looking for

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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I think I saw that. Was not working when I tried.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:37 AM

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your mention of AJAX makes me suspect you're trying to do something AJAX was explicitly designed for

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your template can't be used to directly adjust server side state based on user input

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:38 AM

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I know ajax can do it but I rather do it in pure python.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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the problem you are describing is the one JavaScript was designed to solve

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you could make multiple HTTP requests instead, but I imagine that's undesirable as well

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:39 AM

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I just want to set that form value dynamically on page load.

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Until user inputs data in the field.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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you should consider the HTML that you send to a user final once it's been rendered, unless you've written JavaScript to adjust it upon arrival

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are you asking how to change it after it's been delivered to the user?

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or can you do so before?

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 4:41 AM

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It will be final on arrival but the data on first load will not be the same.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 4:44 AM

#

I feel like we're having a bit of a disconnect here. when a user requests a page, you have the opportunity to modify the page you provide to them in any way you see fit, and then the entirety of that page is sent to the user. at that point any pure Python solution becomes impossible, because browsers use JavaScript code to modify pages after they've been delivered

#

do you need to modify the contents of the page before or after it has been provided to the user? there is only one HTTP delivery

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 5:01 AM

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I see your point. It before the user gets the page. The page is requested and based on that page requested the form will ha e a default value that I want to set dynamically.

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So the page is requested and my view renders the page. When it does this an if statement in the template checks if the form is empty or no value set. If empty it will set a value there.

neat nest May 6, 2018, 5:13 AM

#

and this isn't logic that can be performed in your view?

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 5:35 AM

#

Hmm. I feel silly. I guess I like doing thing the hard way. Problem solved.

#

You rock lucy

neat nest May 6, 2018, 5:40 AM

#

glad to help! the XY problem crops up a lot, I find myself doing it all the time

#

good thing to be cognizant of if you find yourself trying to do something that seems more complex than it needs to be

smoky elk May 6, 2018, 6:13 AM

#

Agreed! 😀

grand badge May 6, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

Can anyone suggest me some good tutorial on responsive web design?

copper forge May 7, 2018, 10:27 AM

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@grand badge https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_responsive.asp

grand badge May 7, 2018, 11:21 AM

#

tanks Jason

tame viper May 7, 2018, 1:16 PM

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can i have feedback? i want to keep it simple ^^

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brave mantle May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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yeah, remove the background

tame viper May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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hm okay ^^

brave mantle May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

#

:P

tame viper May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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what should i set it to then? lol

brave mantle May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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nothing, otherwise a solid colour

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I would also not have those breaks

tame viper May 7, 2018, 1:17 PM

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alrighty then

brave mantle May 7, 2018, 1:18 PM

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take a look at the bulma CSS framework

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that's what's currently "in"

mental chasm May 7, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Bulma is nice

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I like materializecss too

hearty birch May 7, 2018, 8:07 PM

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is bootstrap "out" now

hearty birch May 7, 2018, 8:41 PM

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using flask and trying to create alert messages using bootstraps .alert and flash messages

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the alert doesn't seem to be showing

polar robin May 7, 2018, 9:13 PM

#

"Mushy's blog"

tame viper May 7, 2018, 10:24 PM

#

right okay i'm back can i please have feedback? ^^ i'm lazy so here you go https://jsfiddle.net/boooL21x/

Edit fiddle - JSFiddle

Test your JavaScript, CSS, HTML or CoffeeScript online with JSFiddle code editor.

deep cave May 7, 2018, 10:27 PM

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kingsley. huh. well it looks far better than earlier.

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I'm afraid jsfiddle looks a bit fucked on mobile so I can't really review properly

tame viper May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

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yay thanks ^^

strange thorn May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

#

@tame viper an intel 8008 doesn't execute bytecode

tame viper May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

#

shh

strange thorn May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

#

Change it or I'll destroy uuuuu

tame viper May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

#

fine what to?

strange thorn May 7, 2018, 10:29 PM

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Assembly or something

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Def not bytecode

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Or binaries

tame viper May 7, 2018, 10:30 PM

#

hm

tame viper May 8, 2018, 12:34 AM

#

any other opinions on that up there? ^ :D

native tide May 8, 2018, 12:37 AM

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looks pretty clean nice

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i suck at web design tho so what do i know lol

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actually that has nothing to do with me judging other webpages

tame viper May 8, 2018, 12:38 AM

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i mean to be fair it's not hard when you're using a CSS framework

violet viper May 8, 2018, 1:56 AM

#

i would get rid of If you ever wish to get in touch with me for whatever reason, here are various ways in which you can do that.

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contact me is pretty self explanatory and it will make it look nicer

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also that shade orange isnt the best colour to put on white

#

looks good though!

tame viper May 8, 2018, 1:59 AM

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okay noted thanks ^^

strange thorn May 8, 2018, 4:53 AM

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It's still bytecode 👀

lilac idol May 8, 2018, 5:43 AM

#

anyone happen to have any good tutorials / examples of using google OAuth2 (requiring a specific domain if possible) to authenticate to a flask app? I'm trying to google around but most things I find seem to be finding many current / working examples

tame viper May 8, 2018, 4:59 PM

#

i need an opinion help. 🍍 for black 🍋 for yellow

📎 unknown.png

#

react please ^^

native tide May 8, 2018, 5:12 PM

#

well if one could add reactions in this channel than yeah Id react
otherwise
the first one

tame viper May 8, 2018, 5:12 PM

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oh yeah true

#

okay fair, thanks ^^

neat nest May 8, 2018, 5:26 PM

#

there ya go. although truth be told this might be better for #ot0-fear-of-python in teh fyootr

tame viper May 8, 2018, 5:26 PM

#

ok! c:

native tide May 8, 2018, 5:26 PM

#

well
its a website
so i think it qualifies 😄

tame viper May 8, 2018, 5:27 PM

#

i think if you want only python-related web-dev in here, there should be a channel topic specifying that

#

because right now it's really unclear

neat nest May 8, 2018, 5:38 PM

#

that is a good point

#

the opinion oriented voting bit is what made me think it seems a little more #ot0-fear-of-python-y, tbh. also there's lotsa peeps in there that like yelling about stuff they like

deep cave May 8, 2018, 5:44 PM

#

you're allowed to post it here. but you'd probably have more luck over in off_topeek

#

those guys love reacting to shit.

#

I wonder why reactions aren't allowed in here.

hearty birch May 8, 2018, 8:21 PM

#

@polar robin 😄 i am just making a random flask app to learn

native tide May 8, 2018, 9:52 PM

#

https://github.com/showdownjs/showdown

GitHub

showdownjs/showdown

showdown - A Markdown to HTML converter written in Javascript

#

anyone has an idea of how to run this on Ubuntu?

#

please dm me to answer!

brave mantle May 8, 2018, 10:34 PM

#

That's a library you're supposed to use it as part of a larger application

hollow quarry May 9, 2018, 3:08 PM

#

Hey guys maybe this is wrong channel to post. But is there a way to write a python script to get a list of the files that are loaded over the network?

#

What i mean by this is the following picture

#

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#

Im trying to find a way to write a script to get a list of javascript files that are being called over the network, but i can't seem to find them in the source code.

neat nest May 9, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

"over the network" seems like a broad and maybe difficult to accommodate scope

#

maybe let's start with where you got that list of files. whatever's giving it to you seems to have a mechanism for seeing them

hollow quarry May 9, 2018, 6:34 PM

#

I'm trying to track something. But i think how the Web Browser will load pages is through following the links and adding them.

#

They should specify whatever scripts on the source page, unless there is script injection going on.

polar robin May 9, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

inspect get headers?

#

intercept them and then inspect?

#

nvm does get requests even provide that information

hearty birch May 10, 2018, 7:32 PM

#

i'm trying to, after a user logs in on my website, redirect back to the last page
i'm using flask, and the flask-login extension, i'm not sure how I would go about it

hollow quarry May 11, 2018, 4:13 PM

#

save the route then render the previous template?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 8:52 PM

#

trying to get a good structure going for a flask app but it's not serving css in /static

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/182412046518714368/444597731688710145/unknown.png?width=630&height=703

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/182412046518714368/444598300151382017/unknown.png?width=1442&height=305

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 8:54 PM

#

(show create_app please)

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 8:56 PM

#

from config import Config
from flask import Flask, request, current_app
from flask_sqlalchemy import SQLAlchemy
from flask_migrate import Migrate
from flask_login import LoginManager

db = SQLAlchemy()
migrate = Migrate()
login = LoginManager()


def create_app(config_class=Config):
    app = Flask(__name__)
    app.config.from_object(config_class)
    map(lambda x: x.init_app(app), [db, login])
    migrate.init_app(app, db)

    from components.home import home
    app.register_blueprint(home)

    return app


from components import models

grand badge May 11, 2018, 9:13 PM

#

can you show how u linked the files in templates please?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:14 PM

#

linked? you mean how i linked to the css?

grand badge May 11, 2018, 9:14 PM

#

yes

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:14 PM

#

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
    <head>
        <title>{% block title %}{% endblock %}</title>
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="{{ url_for('static', filename='css/main.css') }}"/>
    </head>
    <body>
        {% block body %}
        {% endblock %}
    </body>
</html>

grand badge May 11, 2018, 9:15 PM

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is static in the same place as home?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:15 PM

#

no

grand badge May 11, 2018, 9:15 PM

#

nevermind

#

i was thinking of something

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:15 PM

#

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grand badge May 11, 2018, 9:17 PM

#

im not sure this will solve your problem, but add type="text/css" in your link

hearty birch May 11, 2018, 9:18 PM

#

can we see the routes.py

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:19 PM

#

didnt fix @grand badge

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@hearty birch sure thing

#

from flask import render_template, redirect, url_for, flash, request
from components.home import home


@home.route('/')
def index():
    return render_template('home/index.html')

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#

sent pic for context if necessary

hearty birch May 11, 2018, 9:19 PM

#

i think it’s cause it’s in a css folder

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:21 PM

#

@hearty birch any thoughts on seeing the code

hearty birch May 11, 2018, 9:22 PM

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if ur templates are in the templates folder

#

how comes u render the template from home folder ?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:22 PM

#

cuz of this

#

📎 unknown.png

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:25 PM

#

Have you tried setting a static path in the blueprint?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:25 PM

#

yeah

#

to no avail

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:35 PM

#

@sage wedge use static_folder='../static'

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:36 PM

#

that's what joseph suggested

#

i tried it but it didn't have any effect

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:36 PM

#

huh

#

but that works for me 🤔

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:36 PM

#

hm that's weird

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

What's the working directory set in PyCharm?

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

Have you tried running the app file instead of using flask?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

the folder i sent you is the working dir

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:37 PM

#

Oh, I run through the app file

#

How are you running it?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:38 PM

#

@kind steppe yep, no difference

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:38 PM

#

flask cli

#

Oh that is weird

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:38 PM

#

..

#

aesh

#

'css/main.css'

#

you're on windows

#

try \\ ?

#

(in the template)

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:40 PM

#

@meager anchor wym

#

'css/main.css'

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:40 PM

#

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
    <head>
        <title>{% block title %}{% endblock %}</title>
        <link type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" href="{{ url_for('static', filename='css/main.css') }}"/>
    </head>
    <body>
        {% block body %}
        {% endblock %}
    </body>
</html>

#

I don't know if it matters to Flask, but the path is built as if you were on Unix

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:40 PM

#

tried css\main.css

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

Maybe that's why it works for me and not for you

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

\\

#

but yeah

#

see

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

Did you also change the static dir?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

this worries me

#

it's not just unable to find the css or anything

#

it's just ignoring the static dir

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

no it isnt

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:41 PM

#

That isn't an issue

#

That's just the way static is

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:42 PM

#

did you change the static dir in Flask?

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:42 PM

#

the same happens on our site https://pythondiscord.com/static/

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:47 PM

#

fixed

#

thanks volcyy

#

now i have to stop watching tv and get back to work GWqlabsMmLol

kind steppe May 11, 2018, 9:48 PM

#

Out of interest, what fixed it?

#

was it simple adding static_dir in the flask constructor?

sage wedge May 11, 2018, 9:50 PM

#

yes

meager anchor May 11, 2018, 9:51 PM

#

The Windows path thing is actually an interesting issue

#

I believe Django accepts / and changes it accordingly when on Windows, but I'm not sure

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

#

actually have a question re building out a flask app. Its not so much help as much as good practice questions. Should i pop it here or grab a help channel?

#

(the app is built and running fine, just curious with a rewrite)

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:29 AM

#

you can ask here

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:32 AM

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cool, my app is mainly used for api testing for Slack. The questions aren't based around their api but more structure of the api side of the flask app. Currently I have an app folder that contains an __init__.py with the app routes (web facing, index etc) and an api folder with and __init__.py and routes there. I'd ideally like to split the routes inside the api folder into different files based on what they are doing (post message, post DM etc). but curious how to do it. Am I better just leaving it in this structure or is splitting it a good shout

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Likewise should i bother spliting api and app in general like this

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:33 AM

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there’s actually a good talk explaining structure for flask apps

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give me a sec, ill try to find it

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:34 AM

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cheers mushy. I can share the repo if that didn't make sense but a lot of stuff I found points to blueprints and I just wasn't sure if thats the best way still

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:35 AM

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it’s a pretty long talk though

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yeah go ahead and share the repo

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:36 AM

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https://github.com/splinterific/Slack_test_app/tree/staging

GitHub

splinterific/Slack_test_app

Contribute to Slack_test_app development by creating an account on GitHub.

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:37 AM

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https://youtu.be/tdIIJuPh3SI
It’s like 3 hours long, but if you have time read through the slides - it’s really good at explaining how to manage flask projects

YouTube

PyCon 2016

Miguel Grinberg - Flask at Scale - PyCon 2016

Speaker: Miguel Grinberg Do you think that because Flask is a micro-framework, it must only be good for small, toy-like web applications? Well, not at all! I...

▶ Play video

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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nice! I've been reading Miguels latest book (flask mega tutorial) and he does split the app a little but perhaps I mis-read sections, I'll check out the talk and go back through it

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:39 AM

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I guess his book would be a little more up to date on things then! he’s really good

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 10:40 AM

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i am reading his flask tutorial as you guys speak!

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:42 AM

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and at first glance your file structure seems pretty good - but i’m not 100% on your question, maybe someone else can chip in

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ayy finger_gun_dank

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:42 AM

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https://github.com/splinterific/Slack_test_app/blob/staging/api/routes.py so if you look here, I have /oauth /app_link etc all in one file. I'd love to have them all split into their own folders and files

GitHub

splinterific/Slack_test_app

Contribute to Slack_test_app development by creating an account on GitHub.

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

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@unkempt cypress so far how i am building my app is:

app
    __init__.py
    routes.py
    templates/
    static/
main.py
venv/```

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just letting you know if it helps you

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i call main.py for it to run

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:43 AM

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cool, cheers @dense sapphire . hmm I think I run mine a little different

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oh I run slackbot.py but i'm pretty much identical

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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is your question concerning the routes file?

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:44 AM

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yeah i'm more curious if I should bother splitting it

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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Well, i followed the following: Init should initialize my app when it is run. It should call this and that and take care of what it needs. Routes concerns itself with routes. It is very clear where the routing happens

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:46 AM

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yeah, that’s how I have it

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if routing were to be separate wouldn’t you have to import the app every time

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 10:47 AM

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me? Yes i import app into routes, and routes into init

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:48 AM

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so i guess there's nothing stopping me jsut importing app into "chat_routes" and importing it into the init everytime

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and ignoring a file called routes

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

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oh nvm, i misread the question

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@unkempt cypress i guess but what’s your reason?

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 10:56 AM

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so, disclaimer aside, I work for Slack. This is a test app i use when people are having issues with implementating stuff through our API (method doesn't work as expected etc). I'll make it easier for me to test if I can quickly jump between files knowing its all located just in that file and not across others

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 11:02 AM

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you lost me 😜

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 11:03 AM

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its all good I'll pop back to the drawing board for now. you gave me some good ideas there @dense sapphire and @hearty birch , appreciate it

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 11:04 AM

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goodluck! Hit me up if you need antg later on. I am enjoying flask, so discussing it with people is a big plus 🙂

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 11:05 AM

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if you have a purpose for it, go for it I guess! you’re welcome, nice to meet a slack dev 😮

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 11:05 AM

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haha yea same here

unkempt cypress May 13, 2018, 11:05 AM

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still struggling with calling myself a dev 😄 I'm still seeing myself as support but I'll take the compliment

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Guys i am working in a venv and i installed flask-wtf. It is giving me an error that the import was not done

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from flask_wtf import FlaskForm

Error:

[pylint] E0401:Unable to import 'flask_wtf'

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 1:27 PM

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That's a linter error

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Does it work when you run it yourself?

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:28 PM

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yes i tried running python in a terminal

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I was capable of doing the import

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(venv) PS C:\Users\Thunder\lulz\potato> python
Python 3.6.3 (v3.6.3:2c5fed8, Oct  3 2017, 18:11:49) [MSC v.1900 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from flask_wtf import FlaskForm
>>>```

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Do you run python from within a virtual environment?

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:30 PM

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yes

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in this case

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because i only imported the flask_wtf to this project

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outside of it it fails because i don't have it in my system

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could it be a python path issue?

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:34 PM

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what are you running in

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:34 PM

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using vscode

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:35 PM

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maybe your text editor/IDE isn’t in the right venv

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that’s what’s happened to me several times with VSC

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:35 PM

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naw i am in the correct place

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:35 PM

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check in the bottom right, does it say python (venv)

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Python

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no (venv)

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but in my terminal i am in venv

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and i am at that folder in vscode

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:36 PM

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then you need to change your interpreter in VSC

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to the one of your venv

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:36 PM

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cool, i'll look into it

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Ctrl Shift P and Select interpreter

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then choose the one in the current project path, should automatically detect the interpreter

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:39 PM

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aight, one secondo

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Ah sorry, I completely missed htis

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if python is your venv's interpreter, try python -m pylint

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Since that python has flask_wtf installed, pylint should have access to it

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:40 PM

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i changed interpreters, as mushy proposed

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error went pouf

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but no (venv) is next to Python down there

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 1:40 PM

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alright

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:40 PM

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should restart VSC and it’ll be there I think

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:41 PM

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volcy, may you explain your solution?

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@hearty birch nope

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 1:41 PM

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make sure you have the interpreter in your project path, not the global one

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Ok so the workspace one (the project) is the venv one

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and the global is the normal one, the main python one

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:06 PM

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yep

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when you setup the venv, it makes like a few folders, the interpreter is within the Scripts folder

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iirc

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:12 PM

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mhm it's in there

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:13 PM

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did it fix the linter screaming at you then :p

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:18 PM

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haha yep it did. I told you up there somewhere 😜

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wait wait

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did you mean Python (venv) as it should show as follow?

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or just the Python of the venv should be chosen?

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I thought you meant that I should see Python (venv) down there

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🤦

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:19 PM

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I don’t think it always shows

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but it should show there, it does for me anyway, but if it didn’t show but solved your problem then it worked i guess

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Yea it doesn't. It was working when i said: i changed interpreters, as mushy proposed error went pouf but no (venv) is next to Python down there

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mhm

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I made sure which interpreter i was seeing and whatnot from the settings

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I was stupid enough to think that venv directly switched interpreters

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:20 PM

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wait, check if your linters still active

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:21 PM

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it's working fine, i developed lots of extra stuff now

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all clean and clear

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:21 PM

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okay great! glad you could solve it

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Thank you mushy 🙂

hearty birch May 13, 2018, 2:22 PM

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you’re welcome! it’s because i had spent a long time trying to solve a similar issue

dense sapphire May 13, 2018, 2:23 PM

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i feel yu!

toxic night May 13, 2018, 9:52 PM

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hello

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I was wondering if there is any way of creating a manytomany relationship between two objects

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for both of them to reference eachother

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?

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Yes

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Which framework are you using?

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In Django, there's ManyToManyField

toxic night May 13, 2018, 10:06 PM

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yeah

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django

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but it says in the documentation not to use manytomany on both items

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only on one

meager anchor May 13, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Why would you need it on one?

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You get a related_name on the other object to "link back to"

toxic night May 13, 2018, 10:32 PM

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can you explain that plz

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 8:08 AM

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https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.0/topics/db/examples/many_to_many/

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that should explain it in grand detail

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 9:07 AM

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does someone know of a Django CSS minifier? Something that automates the myfile.css -> myfile.min.css process would be really cool, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction with Django, and there's something else that does this.

violet viper May 14, 2018, 11:33 AM

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can you not just use a normal css minifier?

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Probably, yes, but having something that integrates with Django would be great

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Have any suggestions?

violet viper May 14, 2018, 12:21 PM

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https://djangopackages.org/grids/g/asset-managers/ @meager anchor

Django Packages : Asset Managers

Asset managers for combining/compressing JavaScript/CSS and for versioning your media files.

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loads of packages there that can do CSS compression and other stuff too

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 12:22 PM

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perfect, thank you

violet viper May 14, 2018, 12:23 PM

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looks like this is the most popular

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https://github.com/django-compressor/django-compressor

GitHub

django-compressor/django-compressor

django-compressor - Compresses linked and inline javascript or CSS into a single cached file.

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 12:23 PM

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yeah

violet viper May 14, 2018, 12:23 PM

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good luck 😃

meager anchor May 14, 2018, 12:26 PM

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thank you

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:14 PM

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hello i am getting an error that is talking about templates and i am not sure what it means

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this is my html

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{% extends 'partials/layout.html' %}

{% block content %}       
<form action="{% url 'update_drink' %}" method="post">
{% csrf_token %}
    <h5>Update Drink</h5>
    <label for="name">Name:</label><br/>
    <input type="text" name="name" id="name" value={{drink.name}}/>
    <br>
    <label for="ingredients">Ingredients:</label><br/>
    <textarea name="ingredients" id="ingredients" id="name" value={{drink.ingredients}}></textarea><br/>
    <label for="recommendations">Well paired with:</label><br/>
    <select name="cars" size="4" name="recommendations" id="recommendations" id="name" multiple></select>
        {% for snack in snacks.name.all %}
            <option>{{snack}}</option>
        {% endfor %}   
    <br><br>
    <button class="btn waves-effect waves-light" type="submit" name="action"> Submit
    </button>
</form>
<br>
<a href="/vendcart" class="btn">Go Back</a>

{% endblock %}

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the views.py


def update_drink(request,id):
    drink = Drink.objects.get(id=id)
    snacks = Snack.objects.all()

    context = {
        'drink': drink,
        'snacks': snacks
    }

    if (request.method == 'POST'):
        drink.name = request.POST['name']
        drink.ingredients = request.POST['ingredients']
        drink.recommendations = request.POST['recommendations']
        
        drink.save()

    else:
        return render(request, context, 'update_drink.html')

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the html calling the update function

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{% extends 'partials/layout.html' %}

{% block content %}        
    <br>
    <h2 class="center-align green lighten-3">{{snack.name}}</h2>
    <div class="card">
        <div class="card-content">
            <h5>Ingredients</h5>
            {{snack.ingredients}}
        </div>
        <div class="card-content">
            <h5>Well paired with</h5>
            {% for drink in snack.recommendations.all %}
                <a href = "/vendcart/details_drink/{{drink.id}}"> <u>{{drink}}</u></a> 
            {% endfor %} 
        </div>
    </div>
    <a href="/vendcart" class="btn"> Go Back </a>
    <a href="/vendcart/update_drink/{{drink.id}}" class="btn"> Update </a>

{% endblock %}

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i get this error

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TemplateDoesNotExist at /vendcart/update_drink/6
{'drink': <Drink: Soda>, 'snacks': <QuerySet [<Snack: Potato Chips>, <Snack: Granola Bar>, <Snack: Ham and egg sandwhich>]>}

polar robin May 14, 2018, 8:30 PM

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I don't know if I'm getting you right, but the last href in the last code block, points to the link in the error and I don't know where you store your drinks ids but it seems like drink with id 6 doesn't exist.

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:31 PM

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mmmmm

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well they are in mysql

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in a table

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but look when i access soda which is the drink i want to update it's id is 6

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http://127.0.0.1:8000/vendcart/details_drink/6/

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shows this

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📎 Screen_Shot_2018-05-14_at_1.33.35_PM.png

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:50 PM

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<@&267630620367257601>

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Well the exception is a TemplateDoesNotExist

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So that should probably give you some hints

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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yeah just i am not sure why it is doing this

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{'drink': <Drink: Soda>, 'snacks': <QuerySet [<Snack: Potato Chips>, <Snack: Granola Bar>, <Snack: Ham and egg sandwhich>]>}

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Because the template does not exist, I imagine

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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since they r both in different tables

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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This has nothing to do with tables

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Or the database

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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mmmmm idk what it means by template then

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:52 PM

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What

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But you're already using a template

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To generate the page you screenshot

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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yeah okay now i know what u r refering to as a template

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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That's what they're called lol

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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sorry new at this

deep cave May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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update_drink.html, in your case.

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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It's okay

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:53 PM

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just started learning about 2 days ago

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about django at least

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but my template is saying how it wants it to be displayed

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so why does it say there is no template to display the info i am requesting

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Because there's no template

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I dunno how else to put that

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:57 PM

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but there is xd

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i posted it here

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 8:57 PM

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It's probably not looking for the template you think it is

toxic night May 14, 2018, 8:58 PM

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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any suggestions ?

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to what to look for or check?

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Well how did you define what template to load?

toxic night May 14, 2018, 9:18 PM

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using path n in the views.py

toxic night May 14, 2018, 9:40 PM

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so is that wrong?

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@brave mantle

brave mantle May 14, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I actually have no idea, since I don't use django

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the point I'm making

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is that you defined a template for the other page

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so you should define a template for this page as well in the same manner

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and then, yknow, make the template

toxic night May 14, 2018, 9:49 PM

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lol

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i did

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i followed the same process

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but kk

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:32 PM

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I'm doing a Django project using channel layers and websockets to run boardgames, simplified multiplayer.

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Now I want a timer of sorts such that after 30 seconds after a client makes a move, the server replies, perhaps ending the game if the turn timer went out.

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So I'm using threading.Timer, calling a class function in the Consumer after some time, and that seems to work. Might be a bit wonky if the client disconnects.

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Is this alright, or is there some fancy Django timer, some async waiting/timer solution? Is the threaded Timer async safe?

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:33 PM

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there is a fancy async timer solution, yes.

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but I don't know if it's gonna solve anything to switch to that approach.

mental chasm May 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

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I'm not sure why you'd use async code with django

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

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yeah I was gonna say, I've never seen that.

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but I guess it ties into your websockets

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

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Because AsyncJsonWebsocketConsumer

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

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yeah

mental chasm May 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

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Wtf is that name

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:35 PM

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makes sense

mental chasm May 16, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Long

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:35 PM

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Base: AsyncJsonWebsocketConsumer, AsyncConsumer, BaseConsumer

Uses: channel_layer (RedisChannelLayer)

Handles websocket connections from the users

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Well, it's what I'm using. Could you show me the async timer solution?

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def hello():
    print("Hello world!")

print("Starting timer")
t = Timer(10.0, hello)
t.start()

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Current implementation. Unsure if this is safe in an async environment.

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:38 PM

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essentially you call the relevant asyncio functions with a timeout kwarg and then catch asyncio.TimeoutError

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https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html some info here.

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but I mean, the stuff you're doing has to support that approach

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:43 PM

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I'm not following.

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Timeout sounds like I have a time limit. I want it to execute in x time in the future.

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:44 PM

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oh. sorry, I misunderstood you then.

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:45 PM

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My goal is that when it's a player's turn, in chess for instance, it'll start a x second timer to check if they've made a move yet. Else, forfeit.

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Perhaps I could just use async sleep?

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:46 PM

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I mean.. yeah. isn't that what sleep is for?

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sure you could schedule a task x seconds in the future but that sounds like a lot more processing to achieve the same thing

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I'm not exactly an async expert though, I never get to use it at work.

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so I might be completely wrong

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:48 PM

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It could be relevant as I actually need to start a timer for another client's Consumer. If player A makes a move, it's B's turn.

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Although I'm not sure if I can communicate between them.

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But I already announce new moves to all clients, so the player B will be aware that it's their turn and how much time they have. Just a matter of knowing where to handle it on the server. x_x

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:50 PM

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I mean, tbh, it sounds like django and backend websockets is a pretty dubious tool for this job :D

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but it does sound like a fun experiment.

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:50 PM

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I have no idea how else the server would communicate with the client.

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Unless sure, the client does everything and the server is REST or something.

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:51 PM

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yeah but do you have the websockets running in the django app itself?

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Essentially, if player A makes a move, I want to update ALL players in the game about the new move. That has to be done with web sockets, no?

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:52 PM

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yes, web sockets need to be part of it, that's true.

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but normally they would just communicate directly with.. well, essentially just with a database. or a seperate server that's just sitting there handling websockets in a single session

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although I will say I've got websockets in some of my flask APIs too

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but I've always felt a bit like it might be a bad idea :D

still briar May 16, 2018, 12:53 PM

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Yeah, I'm using Redis, which is I guess a more lightweight database that automatically clears after the game is over, etc.

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https://github.com/andrewgodwin/channels-examples/tree/master/multichat

GitHub

andrewgodwin/channels-examples

channels-examples - Example projects using Django Channels

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Using this as a base for the channels part.

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Multi chat client, like an IRC.

deep cave May 16, 2018, 12:58 PM

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nice

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I gotta run for a bit but I'll click that link later

still briar May 16, 2018, 2:19 PM

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For the record, using await asyncio.sleep(n) freezes the Consumer, which I guess makes sense.

silent plaza May 17, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Anyone around with experience of Django? When loading template snippets into a parent template by passing a render_to_string(snippet_path.html) context value, is this less performant than pre-loading the template snippet before request-time and simply passing the pre-existing form snippet to the parent template when returning them?

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Or would it not matter at all?

meager anchor May 17, 2018, 9:40 AM

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@silent plaza are you sure you don't want to use template inheritance or {% include 'snippet_path %} instead of doing this yourself?

smoky elk May 17, 2018, 1:53 PM

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What is your favorite django hosting company?

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@Raijinn @meager anchor I use include as well for things like this.

tired current May 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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My PC xD

meager anchor May 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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i host it on my $5 droplet on digitalocean

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works well

smoky elk May 17, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Yeah I used that and pythonanywhere. I have not tried Heroku or any others out there. I was curious on what others found success with.

meager anchor May 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

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GDPR. https://techblog.bozho.net/gdpr-practical-guide-developers/ states

Allow users to edit their profile – this seems an obvious rule, but it isn’t always followed. Users must be able to fix all data about them, including data that you have collected from other sources (e.g. using a “login with facebook” you may have fetched their name and address).

alright so, if I have users log in to my app with Discord's OAuth, does that mean I need to allow users to edit their username obtained from Discord, or is it okay if I say "To update your username, update it on Discord and press this button to refresh our OAuth information about you"?

strange thorn May 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

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uuuugh the evil EU law

jagged sedge May 17, 2018, 11:52 PM

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hey is there someone that has ever config nginx with cloud9 and apache to server php files?

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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good morning, im wanting to do a website for my discord bot, are there any resources that i should be looking it

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i really like the simple layout of https://baronbot.github.io/

Baron Bot

Baron, a LoL Discord Bot.

Baron is a League of Legends Discord bot. It tries to offer the most accurate information, in the shortest time possible. Live game info, profiles, champion runes, and much more.

native tide May 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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I only heard bold things about https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world

The Flask Mega-Tutorial Part I: Hello, World! - miguelgrinberg.com

miguelgrinberg.com

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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not python though

native tide May 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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Good things *

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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i dont really need to use it i believe

native tide May 18, 2018, 9:16 AM

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If you only want a page you can use something like Microsoft expression web

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Someone here probably knows better though good luck again

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:20 AM

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you could use UIKit to achieve something fairly similar, structurally. you'd need a little extra css and js, and those stats need to come from somewhere, so it does need a backend with access to them in some way or other.

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so I'd be reaching for Flask to ensure I had access to that data.

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but beyond that, I do think it's a good habit to start using stuff like flask as your backend anyway, cause it's super useful to learn.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:22 AM

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i dont really need any bot access though, just display the help file

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:22 AM

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I mean like.. the number of servers and so on

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that data has to be fetched from somewhere.

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and it's neat.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:23 AM

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true dat, but that can just be pulled from discorfbotlist api

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how would i access the data if its on a different server though...

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:26 AM

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so if I was gonna make a page like that for a bot I wrote, and I agree that the one you linked is quite nice, I'd probably use a stack of flask, gunicorn, UIKit, and a little extra js and css sprinkled in.

that gives me the powerful python backend where I can solve problems like "fetch data from an API" super easily, it gives you gunicorn so you don't have to fuck with apache, your wsgi app just runs, magically. it gives you UIKit so that you can structure the website and have things look fairly decent right out of the box, and then you can polish it with js and css to make it shine once you've got the basics down.

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also teaches you a bunch of really excellent tech that is used all the way up to industry level

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for the record, the pythondiscord website runs on uikit and gunicorn-served flask.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:27 AM

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ahhh sweet

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okies, so is there somewhere i can start reading all this stuff

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also total noob learning from scratch 😄

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:28 AM

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start with the basic flask app

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get a hello world up and running

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then when it works locally, get it gunicorn hosted on your server. that should all be fairly straight forward.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:29 AM

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is gunicorn a replacement for nginx?

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:29 AM

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yeah. I mean, that part is highly optional

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you can use nginx if you want

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but gunicorn makes it ridiculously trivial to do python webserver stuff

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:29 AM

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if you recommend gunicorn then i shall go with that

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:30 AM

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you just run the file and it works

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no writing config files no nothing

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:30 AM

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i like that

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:30 AM

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the way we do it , we point nginx at gunicorn so nginx is still the big boss for all incoming connections on the server.

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but.. that's because we have so many different types of webservices running on the server

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and gunicorn is specifically a thing you use for python webapps like flask

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the flask website has a decent basic tutorial

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you're not gonna need very advanced flask features for a project of this scope.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:32 AM

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nope not really 😃

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its not something i would have looked at, but the bots doing pretty well at the moment

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and its all a learning experience so all is good

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:33 AM

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yeah

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yeah you should totally do it though. a python backend is just so nice to have. and it's really quite easy to set up that way.

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if ever in the future you're like "fuck, I really want this data on the website but how do I get it?", then if you don't have a backend to lean on, you have to solve it in javascript or something.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:35 AM

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Urghhh

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:35 AM

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and that's a bad idea. javascript is great for the little things. don't be solving big problems in it.

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so when that day comes, you'll be happy you have python

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it makes it absolutely trivial to put advanced features out.

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not to mention, essential if you wanna introduce a database to the mix..

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maybe you want users to be able to log in and change a config file for the bot in the future

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you know, shit like that?

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:36 AM

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hmmm i dont really need a database added right now... although, maybe server setting.s... yeah yeah

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:36 AM

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yeah so if you end up going down that path, this infrastructure will save your life.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:36 AM

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all iwanted was a simple webpage

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yeeeesh lol

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:37 AM

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haha

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I'm just saying, this is like.. hours of extra dev time, but you're setting yourself up to be able to do whatever you need to do in the future. building a solid foundation.

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it's worth doing.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:37 AM

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nods

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http://riftherald.online/

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i own that now!

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cost me £2.50 !

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:43 AM

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haha, not bad

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well, get your flask hello world running on that

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and then poke me and we'll take it from there.

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 9:44 AM

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do i need to install gunicorn first though?

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so nginx, then gunicorn, then flash?

brave mantle May 18, 2018, 9:44 AM

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you'll only need that in production

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:47 AM

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nginx -> gunicorn -> your app.

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the gunicorn website has great, simple instructions for how to use it with nginx

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but you should get the flask thing working locally before you do that - flask has a built in webserver so you can just run the file and it makes itself available over your local network.

meager anchor May 18, 2018, 9:55 AM

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where do I actually need to put my flask template folder? i have my flask app in a package, and judging from the docs (http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/1.0/quickstart/#rendering-templates), I need to put my template folder in there. so i have:

└── web
    ├── __init__.py
    ├── app.py
    ├── static
    │   └── base.css
    └── templates
        ├── base.html
        └── index.html

and I run it using

$ FLASK_APP=web.app flask run

but that tells me TemplateNotFound. I also tried it with putting the templates folder in the top level directory. Where do I need to put it then?

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:56 AM

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show me your render_template

meager anchor May 18, 2018, 9:56 AM

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from flask import Flask, render_template


app = Flask('something')


@app.route('/')
def index():
    return render_template('index.html')

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oh no..

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the name needs to be web, right?

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well then, that works

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:58 AM

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:D

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you're welcome

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all that help I gave you

meager anchor May 18, 2018, 9:58 AM

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sorry for wasting your time :P

deep cave May 18, 2018, 9:58 AM

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I'm happy to rubber duck whenever

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 10:32 AM

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pssst

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@deep cave

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http://riftherald.online/

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thats a flask app served by apache and using gunicorn

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cough https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-serve-flask-applications-with-gunicorn-and-nginx-on-ubuntu-16-04 cough

DigitalOcean

How To Serve Flask Applications with Gunicorn and Nginx on Ubuntu ...

In this guide, we will be setting up a simple Python application using the Flask micro-framework on Ubuntu 16.04. The bulk of this article will be about how to set up the Gunicorn application server to launch the application and Nginx to act as a...

meager anchor May 18, 2018, 10:35 AM

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nice

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 10:35 AM

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i LOVE digitalocean

meager anchor May 18, 2018, 10:35 AM

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yeah its amazing :D

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 10:35 AM

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their helpfiles are the best in the world

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i only wanted a 1 page website but ohhhhhhh no

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mutters

deep cave May 18, 2018, 10:36 AM

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took you all of ten minutes

midnight spoke May 18, 2018, 10:36 AM

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it took me 12 damnit lemon!

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😄

deep cave May 18, 2018, 10:38 AM

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okay now learn some basic UIKit and make it prettier.

hearty birch May 18, 2018, 10:54 AM

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why UIKit over Bootstrap or other frameworks

deep cave May 18, 2018, 11:15 AM

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there's no compelling reason. pick the one you like.

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bulma, bootstrap, uikit, whatever you like the look of.

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I like uikit.

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bulma is nice

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bootstrap feels a bit older

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:12 PM

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If I were to make a site that had a collection of small web apps I make. Should each app be a separate flask + gunicorn setup. With nginx serving them ?

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Or is it ok to do them all in one flask setup

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:14 PM

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I'd probably just have a single flask app serve all of them. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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its' really a question of personal preference, though.

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and it totally depends on how big these things are.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:16 PM

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Yeah I'd rather keep it together. Just wanted to double check that there wasn't a reason not to

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If there will only be a handful of static pages is there a point to use nginx?

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Or is it ok to serve static pages using flask

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:18 PM

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you mean with the built in flask webserver?

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:18 PM

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No gunicorn

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I guess I should be saying the wsgi

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Not flask

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:19 PM

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right. well, gunicorns own guides do recommend you set it up behind an http server like nginx

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I'm not really sure how well it works without nginx, I've never tested. good question.

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but I'd just spring for a proper solution anyway. no compelling reason to half-ass it, is there?

deep prism May 18, 2018, 12:20 PM

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I've never tested.
The users will test it :D

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:20 PM

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My plan is to make my site entirely in a 5 dollar digital ocean droplet

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:20 PM

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yep

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:20 PM

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So trying to be efficient

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:21 PM

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I guess you could try ¯_(ツ)_/¯

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:21 PM

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Yeah I am going to thanks

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:21 PM

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apparently gunicorn is insecure without a server like nginx - something about ddos attacks.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Well then I'd say that's reason enough

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:22 PM

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https://serverfault.com/questions/331256/why-do-i-need-nginx-and-something-like-gunicorn

Server Fault

Why do I need Nginx and something like Gunicorn?

I'm looking for an overly simplified answer to the following question. I'm trying to build a foundational understanding of how Nginx works alongside something like Gunicorn.

Do I need both Nginx and

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check the top answer here

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by one of the gunicorn devs

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very informative

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:23 PM

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Is the current way of doing things nginx , flask+gunicorn in separate containers ?

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Thank you

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:24 PM

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containers as in docker or something?

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:25 PM

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Yes

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:25 PM

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I got gunicorn and flask both in a single docker container on my projects, and then I run nginx outside of the container.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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Ok that's what I was thinking

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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that's a fairly tried and tested way of doing it, yep.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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But nginx isn't in a container ?

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:26 PM

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no, not on my setup.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:27 PM

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And then I suppose if I needed a database that would be outside of a container as well ?

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:27 PM

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in the setup we have on pythondiscord, the database is actually in a separate container.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Ah ok

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:29 PM

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often "what do I put in a container" boils down to what problem you're trying to solve. it can be a bit subtle.

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:29 PM

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Yeah I've never used them before. Only vms

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:29 PM

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are you a devops team and the containers are built by the developers? well, then you need to expose anything they might want to change.

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are you gonna deploy to many servers? you'll need the containers to make it easy to propagate

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or migrate

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etc

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but for your use

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it's not super important

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

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I'm just making stuff for me to learn

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

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yeah

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I get that

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

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So using containers is a good learning experience

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:30 PM

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so I mean, you could put everything in one container, probably, and just leave nginx on the server itself, and you'd probably be fine. but having a separate container for the database will probably teach you more useful lessons

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because then you need to play with inter-container communication and stuff.

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and uh, on this topic, #414737889352744971 is probably a better place to go for information

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our devops master, Lord Inver, could talk about this for days

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Yeah I like that idea

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:32 PM

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personally I'm kind of a docker noob

proven stone May 18, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Ok cool

deep cave May 18, 2018, 12:32 PM

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(his lordship personally taught me everything I know :P)

deep prism May 18, 2018, 12:45 PM

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I'd say in short there'd be 2 things to keep in mind to decide whether things should be in 1 docker or seperate.

Can A run withotu B? If no > together else seperate
Might B have to scale up without A > has to be seperate.

If you have 1 and 2 combined you can use like docker-compose to combine docker containers into a single application.

hearty birch May 19, 2018, 12:27 AM

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playing around with UI kit and actually really like it

kind steppe May 19, 2018, 8:56 AM

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UIKit is lovely

tame viper May 19, 2018, 8:56 AM

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no u ^^

grand badge May 19, 2018, 12:03 PM

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Aw

polar robin May 19, 2018, 6:01 PM

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discord bot cogs like in flask?

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have multiple files and one main to run the process

meager anchor May 19, 2018, 6:03 PM

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wut

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is your question "can you have flask views split over multiple files like discord bot cogs"?

polar robin May 19, 2018, 6:08 PM

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yes

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that's right

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i have a api and a website website part of the website and i want to keep it organized so two files and 1 that runs both

meager anchor May 19, 2018, 6:09 PM

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a quick search brought me this for general patterns for bigger projects:
http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/1.0/patterns/packages/
and this for blueprints, which also outlines what they are used for, and this sounds like what you want
http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/1.0/blueprints/

polar robin May 19, 2018, 6:10 PM

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thank you sir

unborn terrace May 19, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Hey guys, does anyone know, in Django, how to temporarily disable auto_now and auto_now_add fields attribute for bulk_create? I would need it to save me a lot of time 🤔

native tide May 20, 2018, 9:17 AM

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flosk?

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flask is good

polar robin May 20, 2018, 10:06 AM

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?

brittle copper May 20, 2018, 10:07 AM

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Adding a parameter to init comes to mind but I'm not quite sure if it would work or not since I'm pretty ignorant about databases

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class This(models.Model):
    def __init__(self, *args, temp=True, **kwargs):
        super().__init__(self, *args, **kwargs)
        self.temp = temp
    some_time = models.DateTimeField(auto_now=self.temp, auto_now_add=self.temp)

This.objects.bulk_create(
    This(foo=bar, temp=False)
    This(bla=blabla, temp=False)
)```

#web-development

Base: AsyncJsonWebsocketConsumer, AsyncConsumer, BaseConsumer

Uses: channel_layer (RedisChannelLayer)

Handles websocket connections from the users