discord-bots

[timber dragon]

You didn't have to respond ya know..

[proper halo]

Hi, I have a question, how can I split commands in files? I want to have each command on a file

[fast osprey]

That's egregious

Id recommend questioning where you got the idea that is good practice

Either way, a bot isnt any different than any other python program. You can put whatever definitions you want in a file, then import those definitions in another file. Works for commands too.

Libraries like discord.py have an extension system which makes loading and reloading of those modules easier, but it's not required

[proper halo]

Thanks!

[unkempt canyon]

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[fast osprey]

config formats are relatively irrelevant

[brave niche]

dotenv influences your environment variables directly, and that could include 'system' ones vs. ones you care about in your app. JSON has the advantage of being fully contained in your app, and only able to do what you decide it should do.

[stark ingot]

^

[brave niche]

So you need to trust your dotenv files more than your JSON files arguably

[viscid hornet]

if you dont feel like all the JSON formatting, TOML exists

[brave niche]

That too, yeah

[fast osprey]

then why are you still working on it

[vocal kettle]

i dont im just in the same folder

[fast osprey]

....sure

anywho, both python3 and pip are ambiguous to what python installation they're hitting. They're most likely hitting different installations

on windows, any python command line commands IMO should use py, both for running code and interacting with pip

[tender bobcat]

Unless when you are in venv?

Idk if py handle that, but I would leaning towards using python for venv instead

[fast osprey]

they are presumably not in a venv if they are encountering this, but yes

[tender bobcat]

Well
Idk it it's my bias but for me windows python is just harder to use

[unkempt canyon]

Concurrency in Python

Python provides the ability to run multiple tasks and coroutines simultaneously with the use of the asyncio library, which is included in the Python standard library.

This works by running these coroutines in an event loop, where the context of the running coroutine switches periodically to allow all other coroutines to run, thus giving the appearance of running at the same time. This is different to using threads or processes in that all code runs in the main process and thread, although it is possible to run coroutines in other threads.

To call an async function we can either await it, or run it in an event loop which we get from asyncio.

To create a coroutine that can be used with asyncio we need to define a function using the async keyword:

async def main():
    await something_awaitable()

Which means we can call await something_awaitable() directly from within the function. If this were a non-async function, it would raise the exception SyntaxError: 'await' outside async function

To run the top level async function from outside the event loop we need to use asyncio.run(), like this:

import asyncio

async def main():
    await something_awaitable()

asyncio.run(main())

Note that in the asyncio.run(), where we appear to be calling main(), this does not execute the code in main. Rather, it creates and returns a new coroutine object (i.e main() is not main()) which is then handled and run by the event loop via asyncio.run().

To learn more about asyncio and its use, see the asyncio documentation.

[unkempt canyon]

Mutable default arguments

Default arguments in Python are evaluated once when the function is
defined, not each time the function is called. This means that if
you have a mutable default argument and mutate it, you will have
mutated that object for all future calls to the function as well.

For example, the following append_one function appends 1 to a list
and returns it. foo is set to an empty list by default.

>>> def append_one(foo=[]):
...     foo.append(1)
...     return foo
...

See what happens when we call it a few times:

>>> append_one()
[1]
>>> append_one()
[1, 1]
>>> append_one()
[1, 1, 1]

Each call appends an additional 1 to our list foo. It does not
receive a new empty list on each call, it is the same list everytime.

To avoid this problem, you have to create a new object every time the
function is called:

>>> def append_one(foo=None):
...     if foo is None:
...         foo = []
...     foo.append(1)
...     return foo
...
>>> append_one()
[1]
>>> append_one()
[1]

Note:

• This behavior can be used intentionally to maintain state between
  calls of a function (eg. when writing a caching function).
• This behavior is not unique to mutable objects, all default
  arguments are evaulated only once when the function is defined.

[dusk pelican]

hello, I am new to python. Why are you guys building discord robots, when there are millions of them?

Can I also build a robot, but what if the idea is taken?

[jaunty cape]

Because sometimes you might wanna make something that’s never done before

[fast osprey]

A few responses:

• Bots layer on several python concepts simultaneously. They are not for beginners. You can choose to do it anyways, and I'm sure a lot of people in here will say "it's fine bro I learned building a bot", but unless you're a genius you are going to get frustrated and make very slow progress trying to learn several advanced concepts simultaneously
• There are a ton of bots, and 95% of the ones I see people build here are uninspired, recycled ideas. But people can still do it for fun, or to make minor tweaks for personal servers.
• You can do whatever you want, nobody will stop you just because it's a copy of functionality
• That said, there's still tons of unexplored ideas that people seem allergic to for some reason

[brave niche]

Yeah, still haven't seen an interesting Code Climate integration with Discord for example, and there's a ton of easy stuff to do there

[dusk pelican]

Do you guys understand completely what the module discord.py does and how its working? Would be a start

[brave niche]

I mean, yeah? Are you familiar with asyncio? That's really what discord.py is built around.

You could argue it's a 'typical' network library using asyncio.

[dusk pelican]

I dont think it is just asyncio since SolsticeShard just said it has several python concepts

Anyway, I was curious what it is all about discord robots

[jaunty cape]

You need to know Object-oriented programming

[brave niche]

Well it depends on your perspective, yeah; you could say you need to understand socket programming also, if you want to understand what it's actually doing for you.

But asyncio is how it 'runs'

I mention it first because you can't even follow the code flow until you understand it.

[dusk pelican]

I mean the documents for discord api seems really understandable for me as a beginner. Just curious and reading

[brave niche]

Sounds like you're on the right track.

[fast osprey]

The main things to understand are OOP and async programming generally, plus general ability to debug and read docs

[brave niche]

Knowing vaguely what a WebSocket is is probably useful too.

[fast osprey]

I'd argue that modern libraries pretty much completely abstract you away from any sockets or network issues, it's good to know but you can implement a fully featured bot without it

[jaunty cape]

Also learn to stop hardcoding your tokens

Because apparently that’s a very difficult concept for beginners

[brave niche]

I guess it sorta makes sense; you have to learn how to make "variables your code can see" suddenly depend on the outside world, and a lot of people probably just barely got their first script.py working.

[drifting arrow]

actually it's main.py

[hearty basalt]

?tag cogs

[novel apex]

This is not a Modmail thread.

[hearty basalt]

whoops

[tender bobcat]

1. A fun note that when I attempt to learn at beginners stage(side note: don't do that), I don't even understand any of the advanced concept and just trial and error
   And trust me it's not fun

[dusk pelican]

are you now understanding everything?

[fast osprey]

it's a constant learning process lol

I do community help for discord.py and I've done python in the industry for like 7 years now, always something new that you don't get the first time

[fast osprey]

!d discord.TextChannel.threads

[unkempt canyon]

discord.TextChannel.threads

property threads```
Returns all the threads that you can see.

New in version 2.0.

[fast osprey]

try it and see what it gives you

[sick birch]

what do you consider an active thread

you have the discord.Thread.archived and discord.Thread.locked properties respectively

you can apply a filter to a discord.Thread list to only get what you want

[stark ingot]

It might be more economical to get all active guild threads and then filter by channel ID

[hushed galleon]

that is actually what the TextChannel and ForumChannel.threads properties do:
https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/v2.5.2/discord/channel.py#L389

[unkempt canyon]

discord/channel.py line 389

return [thread for thread in self.guild._threads.values() if thread.parent_id == self.id]```

[timber dragon]

Archived threads aren't cached iirc

[slate swan]

Hey can someone show me how to code with Python?

[fast osprey]

Bit of a tall ask to start from scratch. Have you done any self learning with the resources available?

[slate swan]

Nope

[fast osprey]

There are lots of free and quality self-guided resources for learning the basics

[slate swan]

Where can I find them?

[stark ingot]

!res

[unkempt canyon]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[barren veldt]

is it possible to run a discord bot 24/7 in a VM and when a question is asked pinging the bot it reaches out to a VM running a LLM and gets an answer from that all this free of cost?

[keen dome]

Hello, has anyone used seleniumbase before? I'm trying to automate appointment booking but I keep hitting 401 often and it logs me out

[stark ingot]

You will probably have better luck asking in the help channel instead of the discord bot channel: #❓｜how-to-get-help

[keen dome]

I was wondering the same thing

[stark ingot]

You could listen to the Message Create event. Then check if the message contains a mention to your bot. Although it would be more resource efficient if you used a slash command like /ask text:abc. Then you can use an API or localhost a LLM (just make sure it follows TOS such as not training on the input and making sure you have the users explicit consent). For the free of cost part you can localhost on your own hardware for the cost of electricity. You can also use free trials from big name hosting companies like oracle but these will not be the highest quality. My guess is self hosting the LLM will be the only way to get unlimited free responses

[smoky sinew]

Just use openai api and put a 5$ limit

If u do host it locally you'll have to use something with a good gpu

[timber dragon]

@austere whale lol

[sick birch]

?

oh you're reporting it

[dusk pelican]

I think this person does. Some crypto thing or so. I dont remember

can you send it to me, I want to read what this person posted

[fast osprey]

It's just boring uninspired grifting

[dusk pelican]

Hey SolsticeShard, I read a good amount of the discord api and it is very interesting. But I dont understand the snowflake id, if you may give further explanation? Is a channel id also a snowflake id? Has a every component a snowflake id?

[dapper ocean]

Anything with id attribute is a snowflake

@runtime_checkable
class Snowflake(Protocol):
    id: int

[stark ingot]

Except components which have a custom_id which is a string that can be 100 characters long. In the components update there is also a new id field which is not a snowflake either. It is an 32 (or 64? Cant remember) unsigned int that can be used for whatever the dev wants.

Channels/threads, users, guilds, custom emojis, messages, roles, forum channel tags, etc are all snowflakes

I think this image is from the docs but just in case you did not see it

[fast osprey]

It really depends what you actually care about in regards to snowflakes. It's just a method discord uses for generating its ids

[tender bobcat]

also discord way of saying
there are nothing there and don't even brother decoding this except getting the timestamp of generation

[fast osprey]

It's an identifier

[tender bobcat]

well, maybe someone think it have some random data and try to decode it for whatever reason

or maybe I just overthinking and no one would think to do this if discord doesn't post the structure of a snowflake

[fast osprey]

I mean I don't know who else is in the habit of seeing random long numbers and trying to "decode" them

[fast osprey]

Make a bot that gives people ideas for bots

[dusk pelican]

I have seen in the docs components. Maybe you could do a game in there. Like guessing game or hang man.

[dusk pelican]

There is a chapter in my book about the requests module. Is there some API to connect and get results?

[fast osprey]

you would not use that in the context of discord

[dusk pelican]

I mean there are plenty of APIs and for sure one that prints out some bot ideas

[fast osprey]

you would not use requests in an asyncio based application

which all modern discord libraries are

aiohttp is the async equivalent

[dusk pelican]

Huh?

Ah ok, got it. it is blocking is that what you mean?

[fast osprey]

yes

aiohttp is what you'd use to make nonblocking http requests, which is the library that discord.py and others use under-the-hood to make requests to discord

[dusk pelican]

And if one request fails the flow goes on

Sounds great

[jaunty cape]

Make a bot that takes Roblox player Vector3 data from an in-game drone, converts it to a numpy array, and then launches a bomb at that player

[viscid hornet]

isn't that just a graph?

you could probably just handwrite the connections and then make a parser for them: ```yml
hello - i'm, Kuba, friends
i'm - Kuba
to eat - strawberrie
Kuba - likes
likes - strawberries, to eat

sure, why not

[fast osprey]

don't use json to save generated data, period

[viscid hornet]

@dc
class node:
    value: str
    children: list['node'] = []

    def add(*o: 'node'):
        self.children += o

    def __hash__(self):
        return hash(self.value)


def interpret(graph: str):
    cache: dict[str, node] = {}

    for line in graph.split('\n'):
        left, right = line.split(' - ')
        right = right.split(', ')

        if left in cache:
            leftN = cache[left]
        else:
            leftN = node(left)
            cache[left] = leftN

        children = []

        for ch in right:
            if ch in cache:
                n = cache[ch]
            else:
                n = node(ch)
                cache[ch] = n

            children.add(n)

        leftN.add(*children)

    # something here, idk

[full ether]

digraph responses
moment, via graphviz?

[viscid hornet]

i'd be simple and have a simple from | to table

[viscid hornet]

no cuz it's not meant to be displayed

[full ether]

yeah but with networkx or such you could navigate the resulting graph to make the response chains

[viscid hornet]

to make an apple pie you must first invent the universe

"to make an apple pie you must first invent the universe"
"!pip universe-inventor - there's a lib for that"

[viscid hornet]

[viscid hornet]

lmao dude's making an LLM by hand

keras get out the way

we got trev tryna make chatgpt manually

[lime osprey]

alr im really slow but why cant i pip install?

"The term 'pip' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the
spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again."

[jaunty cape]

I’m assuming you’re on Linux because that doesn’t happen on windows

And Ubuntu is the most common distro so I’m going to assume that as well

[lime osprey]

yeah im on linux

[jaunty cape]

sudo apt install python3-pip

[lime osprey]

this doesnt work either 😭

[jaunty cape]

Huh.

Try running pip3 instead of pip

[lime osprey]

yeah it doesnt work

[jaunty cape]

I had the same issue before on arch

Give me a moment

[lime osprey]

okay

[jaunty cape]

run curl https://bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py -o get-pip.py\npython3 get-pip.py --force-reinstall

[lime osprey]

"Invoke-WebRequest : A positional parameter cannot be found that accepts argument 'get-pip.py'."

[jaunty cape]

What the

I swear that worked for me the first time

Well if all else fails just stick with python3 -m pip

[lime osprey]

this is weird bc ive done pip install b4 i hard reset my laptop

idrk whats happening

[jaunty cape]

^

[lime osprey]

wait am i supposed to download python on microsoft too..

"Python was not found; run without arguments to install from the Microsoft Store, or disable this shortcut from Settings > Apps > Advanced app settings > App execution aliases."

[jaunty cape]

???

[lime osprey]

i have python downloaded 😭

[jaunty cape]

Btw this discussion doesn’t really belong in #discord-bots just so you know

[lime osprey]

oh..

[jaunty cape]

Are you actually using Linux or are you using WSL

[lime osprey]

linux

[jaunty cape]

Yeah that should not happen on Linux

Let’s move over to #1035199133436354600 and we can continue this convo

[viscid hornet]

powershell on linux?

• MS commands on linux?

[dusk pelican]

Are you on linux?

[viscid hornet]

nope, windows

[dusk pelican]

Me too

[dusk pelican]

Would you consider switching?

[viscid hornet]

probably not

sure, devving on windows is kinda hard but only for lower-level programming, from what i've seen

[upper gorge]

race.py file isn't getting any data to update the weekly race leaderboard image, dice.py is one of the games for the bot where it's supposed to get wagered amount from

[unkempt canyon]

Please react with ✅ to upload your file(s) to our paste bin, which is more accessible for some users.

[fast osprey]

[stark ingot]

Have you done any debugging? Is your database working correctly? You question is not very clear. It also concerns me that you seem to have a bunch of duplicate files (dice(10)). Is it possible that you are running the wrong files?

[wise mica]

yea thats a lot of code to check for errors. from my quick look through i didnt see where you were creating most of your mongo documents. Like rakeback stats returns 0s but doesnt create them for the user

[jaunty cape]

Bruh 78 KB of code

That’s like a thousand lines at least

[woeful hill]

is subclassing View that hard

why would people still use Item.callback = callback_func

[patent hull]

Because they’ve seen other people, have been told so, or have seen YouTube tutorials that do that

[woeful hill]

pretty sad that people rely on youtube tutorials for everything and when the problem they want to solve isnt on youtube they just quit because theyve learned minimal to nothing

[timber dragon]

It's not always tutorials

Some people find is easier and more convenient

Instead of a ""whole class"" and passing state around etc

[timber dragon]

Why are we caring about KB's now

[finite salmon]

The psychological superiority one gains from observing their program's size grow, giving them a higher mental status over others to flex; regardless of the potentiality of just writing extremely verbose and inefficient program is inexplainable.

[merry cliff]

it's actually all comments!!!!

[woeful hill]

string

anyways should we care that much for tens of KB files

not like your storage is gonna goes out with that

[dusk pelican]

The only thing that cares is, if the Code ist well written and for sure well documented

It is like, oh I have written a 10 Page Essay, but the Essay is badly written.

[stark ingot]

Also when the callback function is dynamic or one time use.

[jaunty cape]

Doesn’t that mean your complexity is just O(n^3) every time you call that function

[grave sandal]

Is this that vibe coding everyone's been talking about? 😂

[fast osprey]

It's people hyperfixating on random things that don't matter, not really worth entertaining

[jaunty cape]

Because this guy just sent a thousand lines of code with zero context and basically said “why doesn’t this work man”

[dusk pelican]

it doesnt matter, what code he/she/it sent, we care about how well it is and if it works grrr

[jaunty cape]

Bro is NOT trying to misgender 😭

[dusk pelican]

hahahah

good one

[patent surge]

Heyo gais

[tender bobcat]

Let me check for how many KB over some constant of list of string

[shrewd ivy]

could anyone help me code

[dusk pelican]

ok

[quick gust]

why can the bot not ping roles as a response to an interaction but can otherwise?

[stark ingot]

Do you have allowed mentions set correctly?

[quick gust]

yep, I tested it in the same channel with the same bot and the same role. The first image is me sending the message through the bot through jishaku and the second is of a command
Also, individual user mentions work fine

[jaunty cape]

Probably because it’s edited

@jaunty cape

[quick gust]

No the ping is sent before the edit

[jaunty cape]

Nvm

[fast osprey]

are you deferring?

[quick gust]

Yeah

Deferring then sending the message using ApplicationCommandInteraction.send (disnake)

[fast osprey]

deferring and then following up counts as an edit

[quick gust]

I see, alright thank you

[quick gust]

no progress

    async def sprint_start(
        self,
        interaction: ApplicationCommandInteraction,
        duration: str,
        ping_role: disnake.Role,
        start_in: str = "60s",
    ) -> None:
        """
        Start a reading sprint

        Parameters
        ----------
        duration : str
            The duration of the sprint
        ping_role : disnake.Role
            The role to ping when the sprint starts
        start_in : str, optional
            The time after which the sprint will start, by default 60seconds
        """
        await interaction.response.send_message(content=ping_role.mention)```

[jaunty cape]

Dang I just witnessed disnake in the wild

[quick gust]

this is crazily annoying

[quick gust]

nevermind I got it

[timber dragon]

What was it

[dusk pelican]

So far I understand fully what the concept of discord api is

[viscid hornet]

holy shit you're alive

[dusk pelican]

The gateway is a socket connection that gives live updates what happens inside discord and the http requests are like to respond to these events ping pong

Please correct me

[fast osprey]

you can hit the api whenever you want

it doesn't have to be tied to any event happening

[dusk pelican]

Yeah for sure but live updates make it interesting

[fast osprey]

"interesting" is pretty divorced from explaining how something works

There are some cases where these things are more strictly tied (i.e. getting an interaction through the gateway and responding through the API) but otherwise they're entirely separate

[dusk pelican]

I think the gateway and the http requests make it interesting together

Getting an event and then parse the informations into the http requests like channel id

[fast osprey]

I mean sure, but that's an implementation detail you choose and not how the system fundamentally works

[dusk pelican]

Ok then my reading about discord api docs were not good

I give up

[fast osprey]

It's a pretty minor detail lol

[dusk pelican]

When I send a text into this channel is it also a http request or no?

[fast osprey]

It is

[dusk pelican]

Wait

Explain furthee

[fast osprey]

how

[dusk pelican]

So when I click the button it sends a post http request ?

[fast osprey]

Sure

that's the protocol your local client uses to send requests to the discord servers

[dusk pelican]

So every chat app telegram whats app do this?

[fast osprey]

[dusk pelican]

What? You dont know

[fast osprey]

I don't use those things

and I'm not going to speculate how they work

[dusk pelican]

Ok fair enough

The discord docs are so well documented every discord worker needs a raise of 500%

[stark ingot]

Discord docs are really good, a combination of staff and community work

[dusk pelican]

🥹

[tender bobcat]

As far as I concern
Client --HTTPS--> Discord --Websocket--> Bot(event)

[hexed tinsel]

i think the discord client uses websockets too right?

[sick birch]

it does

[tender bobcat]

But e.g. if you send a message it will be HTTPS instead?

[fast osprey]

I believe so, but given that you should never be handling a user token yourself it shouldn't matter

[tender bobcat]

I mean you can also just replace client -> bot, given that the bot is the one triggering the event

[fast osprey]

those are entirely different questions

bots do send http requests to post things to discord, yes. I believe the only exception is presence that's set through the websocket but I could be wrong

[sick birch]

yes, they're HTTP API requests

both for users and bots

there are a handful of things you can do from the gateway: https://discord.com/developers/docs/events/gateway-events#send-events

[tender bobcat]

Weird on requesting member and requesting soundboard specifically is in ws

[sick birch]

it might just be because they take a while

[tender bobcat]

But soundboard is literally like emoji but for sound

[sick birch]

yeah idk why thats on there

[fast osprey]

oh right right, especially for large guilds members get sent in chunks when you request them

and voice stuff is in its own protocol

[sick birch]

yeah but get soundboards just returns some metadata about the soundboard, and since the number of sounds per server is limited it shouldn't be taking that long

[quick gust]

Ice Wolfy was right

it was the allowed mentions not being set properly, not the deferring -> sending message

[timber dragon]

Aha good to know

[quick gust]

I have a guild_user_relation table which maintains relations between user <-> guild
I need this because my bot hasn't been approved for members intent
Now I need to remove a specific relation whenever a member leaves a server to avoid outdated data
Adding a relation is easy because I just add it whenever the first command is ran by a user in a guild, but I'm not sure how I can remove obsolete relations too.

[dusk pelican]

that is what I also thought. Maybe there is an event when a user leaves a guild then fire a delete to the database you are using or how would you do it. please correct me

[tender bobcat]

Why have you not got approved
You usually can get approved if you get a valid reason

[quick gust]

well yes theres on_member_remove but I need members intent for it

[quick gust]

no clue, I told them the feature I wanted to add and they said "its not creative enough" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender bobcat]

Great lmao

[dusk pelican]

who is they?

[quick gust]

Discord...

[dusk pelican]

ah

[tender bobcat]

Discord team that approve the usage of intents

[fast osprey]

what functionality do you have which needs to know every person in a guild, even the people who have chosen not to interact with your bot

[quick gust]

Never said I do?

[quick gust]

this is my question lol

[dusk pelican]

I dont know how to handle that, maybe solsticeshard can or who is expert on this?

we need an expert to answer that question

[tender bobcat]

This is just 1 of the features of the intent, and not the only

I mean, you could do periodic scan, depends on the size of db ig

[quick gust]

periodic scan okay but check that against what?

[dusk pelican]

are intents to subscribe to discord events that are sent throufgh gateway? correct me

[tender bobcat]

You can ask a specific guild member by their id

And if it doesn't exist, it would give error (not in guild)

[dusk pelican]

but why all users in database?

[fast osprey]

If you don't need to know people who don't interact with your bot, then why do you want the intent

[quick gust]

I see, so do that every ~one week?
Sounds plausible

[tender bobcat]

Remove a specific relation whenever a member leaves a server to avoid outdated data

[fast osprey]

also depending on what you're actually trying to do, you may not need this data at all persisted

Data doesn't become "outdated" when you don't actually need it in the first place

[quick gust]

Never said I wanted an intent, if you read my original message you'll know I'm not talking about intents and solely looking for a solution to something completely unrelated

[fast osprey]

So then put differently, why does your database care about what guild a user is in

[tender bobcat]

Clearly it's something that is needed and those people do interact the bot

[quick gust]

❓ Yes I need it persisted for my usecase, and yes it will be outdated if a member leaves the server

it's alright friend I'll go with @tender bobcat's suggestion, thank you

[dusk pelican]

but why should every user in a guild memorized in a database? what is the functionality behind it?

[tender bobcat]

Just so you know the operation is expensive and don't do it too frequently

[tender bobcat]

every user
When?

[quick gust]

having a sorting function for a command which allows you to read reviews submitted by bot users
you can sort by "guild members only"
so it will display reviews only from the guild members where the interaction took place

[tender bobcat]

It's just need to remove if the user leaves the server
It doesn't add automatically if the user join the server

[fast osprey]

Then the guild is a property of the interaction not the user

X user left a review in Y guild doesn't change no matter what that user does

[tender bobcat]

?

[quick gust]

I think you're confused as to what I want, that's okay maybe I haven't explained well but my question has been answered

[fast osprey]

lol sure

[fast osprey]

If you don't have the members intent, this doesn't work anyways

[tender bobcat]

X user create a review on Y guild
When user X leave the server, the sorting functionality must allow to not show the user review when "Guild Member only" options is used

[tender bobcat]

According to what I read, it only doesn't allow getting update/join/leave event, or request all guild member in a guild

[quick gust]

its alright @tender bobcat we can leave this topic, I belive they're just confused anyways I have got what I needed

[fast osprey]

So what is the endpoint you're proposing that will tell you if someone is in a guild without the members intent?

I don't think I'm confused here

and it's pretty condescending to insist I am without actually responding to my points

[tender bobcat]

The top one
And the bottom one is what restricted, but top one seemingly isn't

[quick gust]

It's not condescending, I just do not care to elaborate something if I have already gotten an answer to it, its pretty straightforward

[quick gust]

Yeah this works, thanks

[fast osprey]

You can say that without insisting I'm "confused". That is condescending. You could choose not to say that, but you did

[quick gust]

Welp my bad if it came off as condescending 🤷‍♂️

[fast osprey]

You didn't "come off". You were condescending

you chose your words specifically

[quick gust]

Okay

[tender bobcat]

Like insisting that it needs to know every person in a guild when it doesn't?

[fast osprey]

I didn't say it did

I was asking why if it did, which was heavily implied by their initial phrasing

[quick gust]

[tender bobcat]

It was never implied

That's just your assumption, and it's also incorrect

[hexed tinsel]

they did say "Adding a relation is easy because I just add it whenever the first command is ran by a user in a guild"

[fast osprey]

It was implied. Why would you say "I wasn't approved for members intent" unless you were implying you requested it.

This was again clarified, but you can't look at that sentence and read it another away

[tender bobcat]

?
Member intent doesn't have a singular use

[fast osprey]

I didn't say it did?

[tender bobcat]

It's clearly indicated that they want to listen the member remove event

[quick gust]

damn what have I started

[tender bobcat]

And you made the incorrect assumption after clearly stated

[hexed tinsel]

a very pointless exercise of pedantry, apparently :D

[fast osprey]

It was after they clarified jesus

[quick gust]

big words, vocab is not my strong suit

[fast osprey]

literally goldfish levels of conversation context

[hexed tinsel]

lmao mood

[tender bobcat]

Well, I made my point
There are nothing implied in the first message and clearly stated
I have something else to do now, good bye

[fast osprey]

Either way, the endpoint works in singular instances but is not designed for what you're suggesting they do. The rate limits get clamped down pretty quickly when it becomes apparent that it's being used to bypass the members intent

[hexed tinsel]

yeah that's a good point

[quick gust]

I see

[dusk pelican]

SolsticeShard his point is, why they need to know every user in a guild, when not interacting with the bot

[quick gust]

oh god

[fast osprey]

and they have clarified that isn't what they're trying to do, which is fine

[hexed tinsel]

here we go again

[dusk pelican]

ok. end of this topic period

[quick gust]

watch this conversation come back alive hours later when someone else reads it lol

[dusk pelican]

I go eat now

[hexed tinsel]

i've done that before. stir shit in a discord server (not without good reason, mind you) and then get pelted with responses hours later from people scanning it and totally missing the context

it happens though

[quick gust]

[fast osprey]

Really either a) you justify to discord you need to know who is in a server or b) change your functionality such that it's not built on top of knowing whether or not someone is presently in a server but only with the context you're given at the time of interaction. The fetch member endpoint will work in small cases, but the rate limit is dynamic/unpublished and I've seen plenty of cases of endpoints getting tightened

[quick gust]

Makes sense

[tender bobcat]

Randomly thought of an idea
Probably not recommended tho
Listen to messages event and have a timer for each user
Update the timer if they send a message in the server
And maybe check the user if timer>some large value

Again, not recommended but possible

[quick gust]

nah that requires message content intent

[tender bobcat]

You also don't have that? Oh well

[quick gust]

no, that intent I actually don't need at all

[tender bobcat]

Well
I'm out of idea maybe

[quick gust]

That's alright, thanks for your help

[fast osprey]

you can get messages without content, but yeah this is all approximating a question discord has decided you don't need the answer to

[quick gust]

also too hacky I don't like it

[quiet ocean]

Just deal with it mate.

[grave sandal]

Spiciest channel in python discord server

[grave sandal]

I think this is a valid question when data like this is being collected like which user has been in which guild. Regardless it's easier to think about or answer when the why or the intended use case is known, as well as to assist reaching the end goal rather than getting caught up in one solution to it.

At least it would probably get a better answer anyway. But idk. Bleh.

[fast osprey]

The thing is, as far as discord is concerned with intents it's not just what people say they'll do with the intent, but what they could do with it. While they clarified that they intend to only track when people leave a server, that also inherently comes with being able to determine all people in all the servers their bot is in at any time

[vapid parcel]

Can bots send voice messages?

[jaunty cape]

no

[vapid parcel]

Ok.

[wanton current]

Well, technically, but not very straightforward

[outer elm]

I did see some text to speech stuff in the discord api docs, but I haven't looked at it in detail. Search those docs for 'TTS' and have a look

[still cove]

I need ia boots for boxing league on discord

Reference of boxing league

[fast osprey]

huh

[quick gust]

what's that supposed to mean

[jaunty cape]

fr

[stark ingot]

yes, its also not that hard. can explain more later if you want

[quick gust]

Could you explain? Im curious

[fast osprey]

isn't it just sending an attachment with a specific filetype?

[dusk pelican]

For Voice there is a request to the api and the you Need to Connect to a Voice Gateway

I think Voice works with udp Protocol rather than tcp

[stark ingot]

They are talking about voice messages, not connecting to a voice channel.
All you have to do is send a attachment with a supported file type (wav is what I used). In the attachment you can set a duration and a waveform. You also have to set the IS_VOICE_MESSAGE flag to have discord render the file as a voice message. There are some limits on other content in the emssage that IO cant remember rn tho

[vapid parcel]

ah alr

I figured it was something like that, but I was on mobile when I was reading the docs

so I just came in here to ask cuz it would be easier than trying to read on phone ngl

[vapid parcel]

connecting to a voice channel is very easy for discord bots lol

[jaunty cape]

So is this a workaround or an intended feature

I’ve honestly never heard of that before

[stark ingot]

Its all documented so I assume it is intended

[jaunty cape]

Idk tbh

Dude you don’t need to say wsg in every single channel

[stark ingot]

1. Make sure you have a good understanding of python
2. Select a library (or use the raw API but that is generally not recommended). This is a good list: https://libs.advaith.io/#python
3. Follow that libraries tutorials/examples/docs (specifically the one the library recommends not random ones online)

[dusk pelican]

that is not what I mentioned. To play sound you have to connect your client to a voice gateway to send packages in order to hear music for example

chat is tcp protocol I guess, but voice is udp protocol

[grave timber]

how can i fix this please?

[fast osprey]

what's the error when you run it

[fast osprey]

When you run it

you should get an error in your terminal from python itself

[dusk pelican]

is it because your imports kinda "overlab" with python?

nah, I dont know

sry

[timber dragon]

type checker is dumb sometimes

[jaunty cape]

the error is in front of your eyes dude

from Source.Commands import

from Source.Functions import

anyways can we get some hate going for the python interpreter's error messages?

❯ python3 main.py
An error occurred: near "names": syntax error

that's not helpful man, i have no idea where the error could have happened

[woeful hill]

Ctrl F

[jaunty cape]

Yeah lemme just Ctrl F through my 50 SQL queries to see where the error occurred

Such a smart idea man

I really appreciate your absolute genius advice

[hushed galleon]

did you write your own try/except for catching errors? that's usually what ends up hiding the traceback, an error handler that doesn't print it correctly

[jaunty cape]

No, the thing I found to be broken didn’t have a try/except weirdly enough

[cosmic palm]

hi

[copper gulch]

all I did was import discord.utils

[restive grove]

Hi

[fast osprey]

[drifting arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cha-pri-gif-4196443019552842049

So what we working on friends?

[tulip tinsel]

What do you mean

[trim wind]

Hello,

im new to python. Check my field value:

value=(
        f"[Vote]({SERVER_VOTE_LINK}) * "
        f"[Website]({SERVER_WEBSITE}) * "
        f"[Shop]({SERVER_SHOP})"
),

i wanted it to look like this:

Vote (Unordered Dot) Website (Unordered Dot) Shop

but im getting:

Vote * Website * Shop

Appreciate it! Thank you!

[opal vortex]

it’s because of the stars in the string

[jaunty cape]

This is good

Just add newlines after every value

Because discord doesn’t parse what you’re doing as a list

Ok nvm that’s bad

[blissful crane]

For unordered list MD to apply, it needs to be at the start of the line. You should use a Unicode character instead •

This one looks a bit too small, so I recommend you put it in bold **•** •

[bitter hill]

hey yall, just posted a request https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/1371596436386349136

been struggling with this all day, nothing but errors hopefully somebody here knows

[drifting arrow]

We're all friends here. Just curious as to what we're all working on. I havent coded in a while so need to get back into it lol

[drifting arrow]

• Can't you just do lists by putting proper indentations into your strings?
  • Like this?

myexample = "- A clear example",
            "    - More example?"
```?

[blissful crane]

Yes. But they won't be on the same line

[drifting arrow]

oh he wants them same line? :( shame

[drifting arrow]

🤔 Is there a legitimate, legal and within TOS way to get the member list of a discord server? 🤔

So far all I've managed to figure out is self bots (against TOS sadly) and actual discord bots, but actual discord bots require you to be invited lol

[quick gust]

sadly

[drifting arrow]

yes indeed, sadly.

I dont wanna risk getting banned off discord forever lol

[quick gust]

Yeah there's no "legal" way

[drifting arrow]

Alright. Lets pretend we dont care about legalities and it's simply whatever method doesnt get me perma banned lol

[quick gust]

self bots are against ToS

[drifting arrow]

i know i said that

[quick gust]

Yeah you won't get help related to that here then

[drifting arrow]

I was hoping there was a way to monitor a server without an actual bot or being in it myself and not breaking tos

[quick gust]

No ^^

[drifting arrow]

:( well drats

[quick gust]

Unless you monitor it with your physical self, and your eyes

[drifting arrow]

Le Sigh

Well there goes that idea I had :(

[fast osprey]

Think about it for more than 5 seconds. How would that be remotely private or safe if any rando could just find out who is in whatever server whenever they wanted

[drifting arrow]

Didnt ur name use to be blue?

[fast osprey]

narp

[drifting arrow]

oh

[hasty plume]

bro it's much better than for some other languages

[timber dragon]

Almost impossible with any other language

[viscid hornet]

that's what you get for not raising your errors properly

[dusk pelican]

[viscid hornet]

!e print(set(dir(Exception)) - set(dir(object)))

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'__setstate__', '__dict__', '__traceback__', '__context__', '__suppress_context__', '__cause__', 'args', 'with_traceback', 'add_note'}

[viscid hornet]

!e

try:
raise TypeError("sup")
except Exception as e:
print(e.traceback)
print(e.context)
print(e.cause)

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

001 | <traceback object at 0x7f9408b207c0>
002 | None
003 | None

[viscid hornet]

!e

try:
raise TypeError("sup")
except Exception as e:
print(e.traceback.dict)

[unkempt canyon]

:x: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 1.

001 | Traceback (most recent call last):
002 |   File "/home/main.py", line 2, in <module>
003 |     raise TypeError("sup")
004 | TypeError: sup
005 | 
006 | During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
007 | 
008 | Traceback (most recent call last):
009 |   File "/home/main.py", line 4, in <module>
010 |     print(e.__traceback__.__dict__)
... (truncated - too many lines)

Full output: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/V7EEMDPTNQ7ZRQAAZGWHJUODLI

[dapper ocean]

you are everywhere I go

[viscid hornet]

!e
class A: ...

f = lambda x: set(dir(x)) - set(dir(A))

try:
raise TypeError
except Exception as e:
print(f(e.traceback))

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

{'tb_frame', 'tb_next', 'tb_lineno', 'tb_lasti'}

[viscid hornet]

!e
class A: ...

f = lambda x: set(dir(x)) - set(dir(A))

try:
raise TypeError
except Exception as e:
tb = e.traceback

print(tb.tb_frame, tb.tb_next, tb.tb_lineno)

oh my fuck

[unkempt canyon]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.12 eval job has completed with return code 0.

<frame at 0x7f32b2264c40, file '/home/main.py', line 10, code <module>> None 6

[dapper ocean]

yikes

#bot-commands

:stab:

[viscid hornet]

cant lie ima just go do this shit on my laptop

[viscid hornet]

[tulip tinsel]

Of courses

[limpid sky]

im a lot into hockey stats and i coded a bot that fetch stats from a google sheet

[stark ingot]

Nice! Next step is to use the NHL API so that you do not have to rely on a potentially outdated google sheet

[limpid sky]

thats the sheet of my own Quebec League

dont need no api

[stark ingot]

Ah, gotcha

[drifting arrow]

🤔

Looks good

[formal jungle]

hey does anyone know how I should / could verify my discord bot as someone under 16? Would I need to ask a parent, or what would be needed

[timber dragon]

Better to ask in discord.gg/discord-developers

[formal jungle]

alr, thanks 👍

[drifting arrow]

I don't know if it's against TOS. But you could just make an account using your parents name, email and number (ask permission of course). and put the bot in their name.

[limpid sky]

Added a command that updates this message every time a new score is posted

[stark ingot]

This is borderline illegal in some places. The safe way to do it is to just have your parents make the account. It should take less than 15 minutes.

[fast osprey]

Arguably, someone who isn't an adult really should not be operating an application at that scale

[formal jungle]

how come

i mean verification is only 100+ servers

[fast osprey]

A kid doesn't need to be managing anything that affects random people they don't know at any scale

Anyways, this is the relevant clause from the dev tos:

You also confirm and agree that (i) you are at least 13 years of age and meet the minimum age required by the laws in your country, and (ii) if you are not old enough to have authority to consent to the Terms in your country, that your parent or legal guardian must agree to the Terms on your behalf. If you are a parent or legal guardian, and your teenager accesses or uses the APIs, then the Terms also apply to you and you are responsible for your teenager’s activity. Please read all the Terms carefully.

(The Stripe identity requirements at verification are separate)

[opaque void]

was the bot to study coding?

[burnt quiver]

?

[brazen crane]

kids have proven that many of them have the foresight and the ability (the ability one is obvious) to run things like that. And i have seen lots of kids manage large-scale things with actual people under them. No catastrophies there 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[fast osprey]

The exceptions do not make the rule. Children very rarely cannot comprehend fully the data privacy laws they are agreeing to, and even then it's very difficult to hold them accountable for fucking up data privacy that has very serious real world implications

[stark ingot]

Which is the reason the whole sponsor thing exists. If it was a major issue they would increase the age.

[grave sandal]

I think that adults screw this up and often have crappy attitudes and don't care and that it is slightly unfair to single out teenagers here. Like if I am not mistaken these same kids could get a job in some places regarding working with food which is very serious about sanitation and safety and they'd be able to understand, so like why can't a teenager be taught the principles of data privacy acts and examples of what not to do? Like right to erasure, right to access, purpose limitation, data minimization, etc.

[fast osprey]

I'm not saying that adults handle data privacy well, they often don't. What I'm saying is that kids don't have proper accountability if/when they do (and they do all the fucking time)

I see it a lot. Kids just storing people's private messages unencrypted and have no clue there's a problem with that

[limpid sky]

made it so instead of editing it deletes and repost the schedule with the updated scores

[fast osprey]

There are pretty hefty rate limits on consistently editing a single message

[grave sandal]

Idk. I think it is more of an issue with kids and people in general not knowing better. Like if you think about it as being a data subject or know that your information is not supposed to be collected without your consent most of this could be avoided. Like, can I store these people's messages in my server? Do I need to? Is it communicated? Like anyone, if they know better could weigh it against the data minimization principle and I think the issue (at least in situations I can realistically imagine using ORMs and stuff that makes SQL injection unlikely) would be that they stored the messages at all (because I am thinking that if the application is hacked and thus the server then they'd have access to the database plus the decryption keys). And it's like a teenager could be stupid and email everyone who signed up to their site something but if they were to know about purpose limitation they could think, can I use these login emails to send notifications and they could be like "oh I can't cause it violated the purpose limitation principle". I am not gonna sit here and say making a discord bot is not serious and that accountability shouldn't be expected, but I just think that not enough would realistically go wrong if someone got the concept of data privacy and acted in good faith. It's not complicated people are just not taught it and even though they can't be held accountable, enough in good faith could be done that I don't think it matters as much for a discord bot.

[fast osprey]

There's two separate issues between people not reading what they agree to (which isn't going to change), and children being allowed to agree to things they can't legally be held accountable for

[gusty drum]

Can someone create a discord bot for me pls

[full lily]

hey i'm sure you could find something open source on discord

[jaunty cape]

can you create a discord bot for yourself pls

[drifting arrow]

Aww gee sorry mister. I would but I'm all out of codes. :( come back next week when I restock

[burnt quiver]

lmao

[timber dragon]

Why is it always you two that say some bs lmao

[drifting arrow]

Me?

[timber dragon]

Yes

[drifting arrow]

:O I would never!

[dapper ocean]

Let's say I tried to get a member object from d.py cache and it wasn't found. If I call the fetch method on the guild object, will that member be added to the cache?

Also if I have members intent enabled, is there still a chance that a member wouldn't be added to cache for some reason?

[drifting arrow]

If the bot cant find the member its coz the member isnt in the bots view

[dapper ocean]

that didn't really help

For the first question, its a no. I decided to look at the src

but what about the second

[fast osprey]

No, fetch does not add to cache

And things don't get added to the cache randomly. There's a reason why it's not in there

[dapper ocean]

Alright, guess that's all I needed

[fast osprey]

• you don't have the intent
• you're looking for a member on a guild on a different shard
• you've disabled chunking
• you're checking before the cache is populated

[dapper ocean]

yep that's all I need

ty

@fast osprey I found also this in documentation of fetch

"""
This method is an API call. If you have :attr:`Intents.members` and member cache enabled, consider :meth:`get_member` instead.
"""

does this mean that I can have members intent enabled and member cache disabled? If yes, how?

[fast osprey]

What are you trying to accomplish

[dapper ocean]

I'm just curious

[drifting arrow]

Did this just tell me to consider meth?!

[fast osprey]

You can't fully disable the cache, but there is an option to tell it to not populate the cache automatically (chunking)

[dapper ocean]

[dapper ocean]

So chunking is enabled by default?

Kind of a dumb question

I could've already assumed that is a yes

[fast osprey]

Yes

!d discord.ext.commands.Bot

[unkempt canyon]

discord.ext.commands.Bot

class discord.ext.commands.Bot(command_prefix, *, help_command=<default-help-command>, tree_cls=<class 'discord.app_commands.tree.CommandTree'>, description=None, ...)```
Represents a Discord bot.

This class is a subclass of [`discord.Client`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Client) and as a result anything that you can do with a [`discord.Client`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api.html#discord.Client) you can do with this bot.

This class also subclasses [`GroupMixin`](https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ext/commands/api.html#discord.ext.commands.GroupMixin) to provide the functionality to manage commands...

[fast osprey]

It's chunk_guilds_at_startup

[tender bobcat]

I remember there is something that set the cache size but forgot where

[timber dragon]

only for messages

and members

chunk_guilds_at_startup
max_messages
member_cache_flags

[tender bobcat]

Oh

[jaunty cape]

Me??

[drifting arrow]

Neato.
Can you show us in real time and not sped up?

[drifting arrow]

Are you updating the message or sending a new one?

[drifting arrow]

Neat

[tender bobcat]

Hmm
I made a timer once before and I only got to message edit every 6s consistently (it's a timer) and any less would give me 429

[fast osprey]

discord specifically does not want you spam editing a single message, and will clamp down your rate limits if you try to

[tender bobcat]

Yep I am aware
Just questioning is could it actually update every 2s if without interaction

[timber dragon]

Interactions only count up to the global limit anyways

so 5/5s iirc?

[dusk pelican]

grrrr makes me angry such statements

did you make it yourself?

everything

ok fair enough

have you experience in discord api?

nice

seems good

ok, where do you host your dc bot

fair enough, I want to buy a raspberry pi 5

just to expirement with linux

sry experiment

ah that is why you are java developer

isnt minecraft java?

[fast osprey]

It works until it doesn't

And if you wait for things to break instead of reading documentation and following advice, things breaking will be your only feedback point

[fast osprey]

Same way you import any definition from any file in python

Why would you have a group and a command in that group in different files

That's not good practice and is actively making your code worse

You should bundle definitions that are related to each other in one file

It's more complex than that. But a module is meant to have all of the definitions that are deployable/reloadable/interdependent together

Thinking "long files are bad" is a very common newbie trap that isn't grounded in any kind of rigorous framework

That's a personal neurosis worth questioning and backing up with community standards

You could get this to work, but you're going to be patching together several files for no functional purpose

[dusk pelican]

since I am new to python, I have noted your sentence/statement

every advice is good to know

[fast osprey]

This in particular is very squishy and opinionated. But when it's "make more convoluted code" vs "appease my personal neurosis", it's a pretty easy call. I encourage people to look up when it's appropriate to make multiple modules and why you would functionally want to, rather than just go on a random gut feeling

[dusk pelican]

yeah, when you have a module called games, you put your commands that are refered to games in one module

for example /game1 / game2 /game3 .......

when you have a module called moderation then all commands that refer to that in one module

correct?

correct me guys if I am wrong or so, I dont want to spread false informations

[fast osprey]

I mean that's some pretty imprecise language that's hard to comment on

Definitions that directly refer to each other (like a group and a command in that group) really should be in the same module unless you have a functional reason not to.

For commands that are "related", which is a pretty subjective and squishy term, that's really up to you

[limpid sky]

we can help you but not code entirely

[dusk pelican]

ok noted

[gusty drum]

Ok

[stark ingot]

The first one you are not instantiating the class.

Are you familiar with object oriented programming?

[dapper ocean]

yikes

[stark ingot]

It is a bigger topic that I will not be able to explain quickly. I recommend these videos about it
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTsqhIuOqKhwlXsIBIdSeYtc
1, 2, and 4 are probably the most important for now but it is only ~1.5 hours total and it is a very important topic ot understand

[round folio]

What is async & await function and why we are using it to make discord bot

[fast osprey]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio.html

[round folio]

But what is the point

Like the main idea of it

[fast osprey]

did you read all of that?

[round folio]

I don't like reading too much

And I'll read in a minute

[fast osprey]

Give it a read, ask questions on what doesn't make sense

[drifting arrow]

What if everything doesnt make sense?

[fast osprey]

Then you pick one to start with

[vapid parcel]

can't remember the part of the docs, but in dpy 2.5.2, does it allow you to upload emojis to the discord panel?

if so, where is that in the docs?

[fast osprey]

!d discord.Client.create_application_emoji

[unkempt canyon]

discord.Client.create\_application\_emoji

await create_application_emoji(*, name, image)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

Create an emoji for the current application.

New in version 2.5.

[broken sluice]

Guys

Help me on this please..

from discord.ext import commands
from discord import app_commands

intents = discord.Intents.default()
intents.message_content = True

bot = commands.Bot(command_prefix="!", intents=intents)

@bot.event
async def on_ready():
   status_channel = bot.get_channel(1374024344698617866)
   if status_channel:
     await status_channel.edit(name="BOT STATUS: :green_circle:")

   channel = bot.get_channel(1372999749925470379)
   if channel:
      await channel.send(f"HELLOOO {bot.user.name} IS HERE")

@bot.event
async def on_disconnect():
   status_channel = bot.get_channel(1374024344698617866)
   if status_channel:
     await status_channel.edit(name="BOT STATUS: :red_circle:")

bot.run("TOKEN_")```

So yes I checked and it does make the channel go green when active

But when it shuts down it doesnt make it red

@sharp lintel

Or anybody 😭

[dapper ocean]

I assume on_disconnect is not an event?

[broken sluice]

I asked AI and it said it was im unsure

[dapper ocean]

Yep, you shouldn't really use AI for d.py

[broken sluice]

Oh damn

What AI should I use then?

[dapper ocean]

from own experience, it creates trash code that doesn't work 96% of the time

you should just learn the d.py library by yourself and not depend on AI

[broken sluice]

I understand that, I dont rely on AI at all, I just ask it questions from time to tim

[broken sluice]

I am really, I dont depend/rely on AI at all

I just ask it for some minature questions

[dapper ocean]

Okay so for your case

You should most likely create a commands.Bot subclass and override the close method (coroutine) to execute the logic that you want to be ran when tho bot is being closed

[broken sluice]

So you mean I should use a shutdown command instead of CTRL + C on the terminal?

Well I did think of that, But the main reason why I wanted it to be automatic was because of my slow wifi, Which might shutdown the bot randomly

My wifi's peak is at 500kbps

[jaunty cape]

It’s called human intelligence and discord.py docs

[dapper ocean]

I was talking about your problem where you attempt to edit channel's name to BOT STATUS: :red_circle:

[jaunty cape]

Stop vibe coding smh…

[hearty basalt]

If a bot disconnects how is it gonna edit a channel

Or am i just slow

[broken sluice]

:/ well why not use tools at your disposal

[broken sluice]

Im unsure, Thats why I asked

[dapper ocean]

async def close(self) -> None:
  # Do some logic before closing
  await super().close()

I assume that this should work

[broken sluice]

Ill try this, Hopefully it works

[broken sluice]

@bot.event tho right?

[hearty basalt]

That’s if you’re disconnecting at your own will right , I thought he was tryna make it automatically in case of a disconnect lol

[dapper ocean]

Nope, close is a method that commands.Bot contains

close is not an event

[fast osprey]

You shouldn't be using channel names as a data holder in the first place

That's api abuse

[dapper ocean]

true

[broken sluice]

I mean I also think its not possible, Because if you disconnect your bot wouldnt know its going to even disconnect only after it right?

[broken sluice]

Can you elaborate

[fast osprey]

You aren't supposed to be using channel names to record things that change

[hearty basalt]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying lol

[fast osprey]

Channel names are for the channel's purpose, which isn't something that changes repeatedly

[jaunty cape]

Just because you said that, I’m moving all of my code in setup_hook to on_ready

Jajajajaja

[broken sluice]

I mean your right, But this would be happening once an hour at most so isnt that okay?

[dapper ocean]

I mean this also seems pointless as the user can just check the status of your bot by checking its profile

[fast osprey]

That doesn't change the fact you're using channel names for something discord has specifically said they're not for

[drifting arrow]

I havent been following. What is he using channel names for?

I bet it's for something silly

[fast osprey]

And it's not unlikely they'll see you're doing this and clamp your limits further

[dapper ocean]

tracking bot's status

[jaunty cape]

He wants to change the channel description on bot ready, and change it again once it disconnects

[drifting arrow]

What does that even mean? like if a bots online or not?

[jaunty cape]

Bro he’s not even doing it right

He’s spamming the API by having it done in on_ready

[drifting arrow]

But.. Why?

[jaunty cape]

Idk, don’t ask me

I’m not the madman

[drifting arrow]

Just set the bots role to display separately from everybody elses and check if it's there..

Your logic is this:
if bot dot green. bot online

Another way you can tell your bots offline is if it responds to commands..

[woeful hill]

checking bot's status
wow i dont even need to click a single thing

i wonder if the bot is offline when it says Online on the status

[dapper ocean]

d.py community at its finest

[broken sluice]

Not sure but CoPilot sciprted what I need

and it works

    """Perform shutdown tasks such as updating the status channel and closing the bot."""
    status_channel = bot.get_channel(STATUS_CHANNEL_ID)
    if status_channel:
        try:
            await status_channel.edit(name="BOT STATUS: :red_circle:")
            await status_channel.send("Bot is shutting down!")
            print("Status channel updated to red and shutdown message sent.")
        except Exception as e:
            print(f"Error during shutdown cleanup: {e}")
    else:
        print("Status channel was not found during shutdown.")

    await bot.close()
    print("Bot closed gracefully.")

def shutdown_signal_handler(sig, frame):
    print(f"Received exit signal {sig}. Beginning graceful shutdown...")
    loop = asyncio.get_event_loop()
    loop.create_task(shutdown_bot())

# Register signal handlers for SIGINT (Ctrl+C) and SIGTERM
signal.signal(signal.SIGINT, shutdown_signal_handler)
signal.signal(signal.SIGTERM, shutdown_signal_handler)```

sadly I dont understand anything so I wont use it 😭

I like using stuff that I understand only

[jaunty cape]

Get a load of this guy

[woeful hill]

[dusk pelican]

What the hell

Please do not use AI please

[drifting arrow]

Can you show me all your code @broken sluice?

[dusk pelican]

You can read the docs on how to discord api

[drifting arrow]

or more specifically. the command itself?

[broken sluice]

I dont have any code, Im just learning 😭

[drifting arrow]

Show me the command to shutdown your bot

[broken sluice]

CTRL + C in terminal, I dont use a command?

Did AI add something by itself

[drifting arrow]

you dont have a command? :|

[broken sluice]

Nope ;-;

Im just testing around and learning

[drifting arrow]

You got any commands?

[broken sluice]

not really I didnt reach that point yet

[drifting arrow]

Dont rely too much on AI to build your bot

[woeful hill]

discord.py or any library has the bare bone example code in their github repo

if you dont understand the bare bone version of the bot well its better to learn the language first

[dusk pelican]

It also important what await or async does because it is essential for serving thousand of io network operations

The first version of discord py wasnt async

[stark ingot]

Another solution you could look into is posting a message to a webhook. This would mean that even if your bot completely crashes the status could still be communicated.

[rough palm]

;-; am i cooked? I made a full bot with that ai?

[fast osprey]

yes

AI's are routinely blatantly wrong. They are not a substitute for learning and reading documentation

[stark ingot]

Just yesterday someone was asking why there bot was not working, it was because the AI combined multiple different discord bot libraries together. The training data out there related to discord bots is often of very low quality and extremely outdated.

[fast osprey]

ChatGPT will routinely spit out completely wrong things like claiming 3 isn't a prime number, and it will be incredibly confident about it

[jaunty cape]

Why would you fork something just to not add anything to it

[dusk pelican]

I use AI to chat when I am feeling lonely, I just write how you find these shoes I have found on the internet and what outfit fits on and other bullshit

[jaunty cape]

I declare independence and am seceding #discord-bots from the rest of the server

Who’s with me

[dusk pelican]

What do you mean by that ?

Soheab why that emoji?

[dapper ocean]

sobheap

[rough palm]

Well bot I made has a very specific purpose it's not on git

[jaunty cape]

Bro I’m talking about your profile in general

[rough palm]

Oh I was like developing it but i forgot to put a pr

And GitHub is mostly private you won't find anything impressive there but sure there are no major projects done i am doing them but it is taking a lot of time

[drifting arrow]

Since you dont know the code, and are heavily relying on an AI to create the bot/code for you, you will have a lot of security issues involving your bot.

[rough palm]

Security issues are quite concerning because i am aware that it's super easy to like get my bot token

I learnt that don't rely on ai too much better to learn it yourself if you have time to learn that way we would have more control of what we are doing

Where do I learn about this discord bot development?

[woeful hill]

?

[drifting arrow]

@quick quest please stop dming people. Nobody wants to make your bot.

Worse than that thing from rick and morty who just wants to make an app

[jaunty cape]

Yeah can you please make a bot for yourself

[drifting arrow]

@jaunty cape Did he dm you as well? lol

[jaunty cape]

No I just wanted to be as annoying as possible to that guy

[drifting arrow]

lol

[jaunty cape]

Wait since when could non-nitro users use emojis from other servers

[drifting arrow]

He dm'd me, I asked for 500 usd for his basic ass bot, he said sure np.then demanded to see my past work. i said na he came to me. i aint begging for a job i didnt know about or want.

[stark ingot]

they cant

[jaunty cape]

Aw man why did it show up like I could

[woeful hill]

Free nitro trial

From discord 10th anniversary

[drifting arrow]

Nothing is free

If you think it's free than you're the product

Please do not be tricked into thinking it's free

[woeful hill]

Think of it how you want, but its is indeed a nitro trial from discord

[hearty basalt]

😂

[drifting arrow]

Ya'll out here thinking they're giving you free shit out of the goodness and kindness of their hearts

Like they're out here being all "Why thank you valued free user of our services who never pays us anything, have some free shit."

[hearty basalt]

Cinema

[stark ingot]

Who cares if it is free or "free"

[drifting arrow]

Because discord is doing it to convince you that you need nitro in your life

[stark ingot]

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty cape]

Never a dull moment in this channel

This channel deserves to be its own server

Which is why I declare myself the senator of #discord-bots

I declare independence and I am now seceding #discord-bots from the rest of the server

[drifting arrow]

oh

Do you have your own police force? your own currency? laws? citizens?

you cant just declare something its own nation

[celest pelican]

Please stay on topic everyone... the subject of this channel is Discord/Discord bots.

[wise mica]

You probably shouldn't use buzz words /sayings if you don't know what they mean

[arctic egret]

facts

look at honey

markiplier caught that 5 years ago

[celest pelican]

What does this have to do with discord bots?

[arctic egret]

also isnt this a python server since when was goku coding 💀

[arctic egret]

idk i just joined

[celest pelican]

Then the rules must still be fresh in your mind

[arctic egret]

i didnt read the rules

like i said

i just joined and went straight to the lounge

besides what does python have to do with dsc bots

WE MAKE GAMES

IN THE FAVELAS

[celest pelican]

!timeout 1287493549251629077 Time to read the rules then.

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: applied timeout to @arctic egret until <t:1747764290:f> (1 hour).

[topaz lodge]

lol

I read the rules cuz im a good boy innit

[safe harbor]

The .topic bot here is pretty cool

[stark ingot]

would be better if it had slash commands

[jaunty cape]

How do I write unit tests for my bot

[dapper ocean]

does anyone actually do that?

[sick birch]

you should

[sick birch]

it's a bit tricky but in concept it's similar to unit testing API endpoints (but pretend the http endpoint testing tools don't exist)
you need to separate out the "business logic" part from the part that interacts with discord, then you simply test your separated functions.
you could also write up mock objects for contexts, channels, guilds, etc but generally speaking you want to avoid mocking as much as possible, since the more you mock the farther you're going from a real environment

remember that you get the most value by going from no tests at all to a good amount of tests than you do going from a good amount of tests to even more tests

[jaunty cape]

I could steal the mock objects from @unkempt canyon right

[sick birch]

yeah you can do that

im personally not a fan of how python does testing for the bot

[jaunty cape]

Oh

They’re not using best practices?

[dapper ocean]

rules won't answer the question

[sick birch]

i dont know if i'd say avoiding mocks is necessarily best practice

its just heavily debated and i think you're likely to find people on either side

that doesn't really answer the question either. i think we're all aware about bad practices and how prevalent they are in the discord bot space

they were referring to writing unit tests

[jaunty cape]

Did you even read what the conversation was about

[grave sandal]

I'll tell you one better, build a discord API emulator then connect your bot to it via an environment variable at startup and see how your bot will interact with it for real. Acceptance test it.

[arctic egret]

thanks for standing up for abusive mods

mods that once given power go rogue

mods who are on a power trip

I stand for what's right, and this isn't it

Free Discord

'good boy' this isnt the 1800's

stop bending over to their will

It makes them stronger

They might have the power to push a few buttons but they have no power to push around people

FREE DISCORD

FREE PALESTINE

[quick gust]

wilding

[arctic egret]

ur name is infernum talking about wilding

ironic

[celest pelican]

!tempban 1287493549251629077 3d Looks like you need some more time to read?

[unkempt canyon]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @arctic egret until <t:1748085425:f> (3 days).

[grave sandal]

free discord 😂

[topaz lodge]

Holy yap

[fast osprey]

They clearly just lack attention, you're better off not giving it to them

[jaunty cape]

Bro got banned

Ibn kalb

[stoic forum]

Seeing someone use an arabic insult is the least thing i expected to see on a python server

[jaunty cape]

Seeing an Arabic insult is the first thing you should expect anywhere

[grave sandal]

Seeing free discord and free Palestine unironically in the same sentence in here did it for me.

[tender bobcat]

Anyway, did anyone build something awesome with Component v2 yet? so I can steal them

[woeful hill]

dont steal mine thank you

[viscid hornet]

how long have they been out?

[tender bobcat]

2-3 month I think?
Not library tho, I meant API

I think all the popular library is at most PR rn

[timber dragon]

djs has it iirc

Yes in 14.19

[tender bobcat]

Consider this is a python server, I am only discussing about the discord library bot for python

[timber dragon]

Fair enough

Discord released it <t:1745316000:R>

[tender bobcat]

Hmm it's later than I thought it was
I found back on the message that let me know component v2 is available and it was 19 April

[timber dragon]

yeah the "lock" was lifted days before

but 22 april is when the official announcement was

[ruby tapir]

suppose i want to master creating discord bots (being able to create any kind of bot), but i don't want to fully learn python what parts of python do i need to learn for that?

Ping me when you reply

[quick gust]

learn another language if not python

[ruby tapir]

I meant what parts of python

[quick gust]

that's a really weird question...
having the ability to build "any kind of bot" in python requires you to know everything about python

[grave sandal]

Functions, data classes, async await? I don't know if you are going to get very far on so little programming experience

[quick gust]

you can't learn specific parts and be able to build anything

[timber dragon]

that's a list from the dpy server

[ruby tapir]

Thanks

[quick gust]

This list only tells you what you need to know to be able to build a good discord bot
Depending on the features you want to add to the bot you will also need knowledge relating to that

[ruby tapir]

Lets say i want to build a bot like bleed,

[quick gust]

Database management, API integrations, web management, security practices, logging, version control, proper deployment practices

[stark ingot]

2 things
Saying that you want to master something like discord bots is not really possible. There will always be more to learn and always be ways to improve your bot.
What you need to learn will depend on what you need your bot to do. Most people probably do not go into a project knowing everything that they need. They need to do research and learn new things even if they have a lot of experience programming.

[drifting arrow]

I learnt programming just to make a discord bot. I suck at it, and that's ok. I ended up creating (and then destroying) a moderately successful community as a result 😎

My friend would constantly give me ideas on how to improve or add features to my bot and give me exestential dread for an entire weekend.

[robust fulcrum]

Who learns python just for bots 😭

[robust fulcrum]

It will be hard to learn specific parts only as the topics are interconnected, so you should probably learn basic concepts of programming which are similar in most languages and then build projects like bots and gain experience

[drifting arrow]

Me. Thats who.

[timber dragon]

[drifting arrow]

@robust fulcrum Hey, I see you thumbs down my comment, that's cool. Why did you learn to program?

[shadow vigil]

ignore, everyone starts making what they are passionate about. and knowing what you wanna do when you started programming is great because you know what you need to learn and it gives you a clear goal abt it. that's my pov tho

[drifting arrow]

Oh I do ignore all the haters. Dont worry.

I do what I want. I just wanted to roast him

[shadow vigil]

ah I see lol

[fast osprey]

Nobody cares why you decide to learn something. What matters is how, and you all seem to be conflating the two.

Sure you could get into the medical field because one day you want to do brain surgery, but that doesn't mean you start on day one by cracking open someone's skull. Even if your goal is eventually to make a bot, learning programming from scratch by starting on a bot is misguided and impatient.

[robust fulcrum]

Interest in web development

[tender bobcat]

The probably only difference is compare to medical field
No one gonna stop you from doing so
But you would just have a very hard time and probably give up

[drifting arrow]

lol that’s it?

[robust fulcrum]

ye, i don't have a bad reason to learn programming, nvm bro i was just kidding

[safe mist]

How do I sync discord.py slash commands to work in DMs? I thought this would work automatically as when I add the bot to a new server I can use the commands there w/o doing anything, but when I add the app to myself for use in DMs the commands list is empty.

[timber dragon]

You can set it for all command at once or per command

[safe mist]

i just want to sync all commands globally the same way i do for servers

but i dont see anything in the docs

[timber dragon]

You first need to mark the commands as installable and useable

Syncing will still be the same

https://about.abstractumbra.dev/discord.py/2024/04/11/user-installable-applications.html shows how to set it per command

To set it for all commands at once, pass the allowed_contexts and allowed_installs kwargs to Bot:

commands.Bot(
    ...,
    allowed_contexts=app_commands.AppCommandContext(
        guild=bool,
        dm_channel=bool,
        private_channel=bool,
    ),
    allowed_installs=app_commands.AppInstallationType(
        guild=bool,
        user=bool
    )
)

[safe mist]

tysm works fine now

[sick birch]

what command did you use to run the bot?

[fast osprey]

pip and python are ambiguous. They don't necessarily hit the same python installation

[timber dragon]

You should be checking python -m pip list

[drifting arrow]

It has been just under 9 hours. are you home yet?

[tender bobcat]

"just under" - yep I am on my way walking from north pole to south pole, wish me luck /j

[dusk pelican]

Hehe 😜

[silk mulch]

I Need A Discord That Have A Currency Only And Have A Shop No Games That's it

But I Add Balance

That's It

@dusk pelican @

[timber dragon]

We Do Not Write Bots For You Here.

And this isn't a job listing board

[fast osprey]

Not with that attitude

[dusk pelican]

why ping me ?

Database and discord py. Make something cool

[tender bobcat]

I have a previous attempt on using python only as a wrapper and do basically everything (or almost everything) in SQL
Which is a fun attempt

[jaunty cape]

Then make it yourself

[viscid hornet]

discord.sql when?

[tender bobcat]

Idk lmao

It just ends up with curse SQL statement

[keen shale]

hello

[lucid radish]

From where do i start in the process of making discord bots?

Like i need complete guidance of it

[sick birch]

https://fallendeity.github.io/discord.py-masterclass/ maybe give this a read?

[timber dragon]

Do you know Python? If not, see these resources.

if you do, choose a library you want to use and read their guide, if any I guess.
I've listed some known guides here.

[drifting arrow]

:D

[burnt idol]

How bad isit to use discord channel webhook to receive form data from a website? (will be used in frontend)

so what can discord webhooks do? other than sending messages to channel?

[fast osprey]

That's all they do

[timber dragon]

Isn't that like the best use of them lol

See GitHub webhooks

[burnt idol]

That's why i am thinking of using them,
But was wondering if it could somehow be security issue,

[drifting arrow]

No security issue as far as I am concerned and I dont know a lot about much

Just dont give the webhook URL to people who dont need it

[timber dragon]

Same. I just know that you shouldn't share the ID/TOKEN at the end of the URL. Since that'll basically allow anyone to send messages via it.

[burnt idol]

I mean adding it to frontend literally means, people will be able to see it!

can someone kindly share d.py link?

discord server link cant join using ur tags for some reason

[drifting arrow]

Web hooks are meant to not be seen. So wherever you're seeing someone elses webhook means they did an oopsies

[fast osprey]

Not sure what the policy is here on promoting other servers, but this is very fast to find on the front page of the docs and the github

[finite salmon]

https://discord.gg/dpy

[pale zenith]

It's also in the channel topic

[stark ingot]

Which for some reason does not have any information about any other libraries other than noting that "other relevant python libraries" exist.

[sick birch]

feel free to suggest changes in #community-meta

[pearl forge]

To be fair, d.py is the de-facto library for discord bots.

And a lot of the other relevant libraries are just forks of it. It's more practical to refer to the source itself

[fast osprey]

we had a whole ass argument about what default meant and if dpy was that, not worth barking up that tree with these particular folks

[stark ingot]

I have.

[stark ingot]

Since when? Definitely not for the past ~3 years.

[pearl forge]

I'm yet to see any library replace discord.py in its popularity

You may see in PyPi

[stark ingot]

This statement does not make sense and is just ignorant.

[pearl forge]

Is it untrue?

[stark ingot]

So what? Just because one thing is most popular means the others dont exist?

[pearl forge]

It does not. It however does mean that it's the de-facto choice

[sick birch]

i dont think anybody ever said the others dont exist

[pearl forge]

We're talking an objective metric here

[stark ingot]

Yes, the other libraries are forks. But in one of the core aspects of modern discord bots, app commands, all these libraries are different. Discord.py is not the "source itself" it is one of many sources. If you think that discord.py is of higher quality and makes better design decisions that is your opinion, but that differs from my opinion.

[pearl forge]

Thankfully, that's not what I said

[fast osprey]

Once this devolves into straw men it's really not worth arguing

[stark ingot]

I dont get why people who still use discord.py are so against other libraries being added to the list of resources in a python discord server. Why is there any argument at all?

[pearl forge]

We're not

!d discord

[unkempt canyon]

discord

In order to work with the library and the Discord API in general, we must first create a Discord Bot account.

Creating a Bot account is a pretty straightforward process.

Similar names: disnake.discord

[stark ingot]

And this means what?

[fast osprey]

Please point to where anyone said the other libraries shouldn't be added

[pearl forge]

!d disnake.discord

[unkempt canyon]

disnake.discord

Unable to parse the requested symbol due to a network error.

[pearl forge]

Other libraries are available for consulting in the docs

I'm not sure what your point is

[stark ingot]

Py-cord is not

[pearl forge]

You may submit an issue on the bot, or perhaps bring it up on #community-meta

[stark ingot]

And that is also unrelated to my original statement

[stark ingot]

I have

[pearl forge]

From what I recall, you support directly replacing the discord symbol

Or am I mistaking you for somebody else?

[stark ingot]

#discord-bots message This message in response to mine directly implies that it is unnecessary

[fast osprey]

If that's how you want to read it, that belies a pretty severe victim complex

[stark ingot]

Dont know what you mean by this. Please elaborate

[pearl forge]

As in, doing !d discord yields multiple choices in which the user is forced to make a choice

[stark ingot]

Yes, I am in support of that

[pearl forge]

And that's... not really what I meant.

It just means that. discord.py is the de-facto library for Discord bots, hence why it gets a link.

And hence why it's the also go-to symbol when consulting the docs

[fast osprey]

Any of the forks could have very trivially just picked a different package name

It's wild to me that most didnt

[pearl forge]

Same as;

!d arrays

[unkempt canyon]

arrays

Array objects

NumPy provides an N-dimensional array type, the ndarray, which describes a collection of “items” of the same type. The items can be indexed using for example N integers.

All ndarrays are homogeneous: every item takes up the same size block of memory, and all blocks are interpreted in exactly the same way. How each item in the array is to be interpreted is specified by a separate data-type object, one of which is associated with every array. In addition to basic types (integers, floats, etc.), the data type objects can also represent data structures.

[pearl forge]

Although array also exists in stdlib

[stark ingot]

Well not all of them did

[pearl forge]

I assure you that there's simply no witchhunting or bias against other Discord libraries.
But we simply acknowledge what is mostly frequently what people mean when consulting docs

[fast osprey]

most

[pearl forge]

Furthermore, inconveniencing people by clicking an extra button to get the option they want 90% of the time is not the way to go

[stark ingot]

I know this was not your doing. But just explore some of the tags on the discord.py server.

[fast osprey]

🙄

[pearl forge]

Point being?

[quick gust]

That's totally unrelated

[fast osprey]

I encourage you to try ?tag who is the most intelligent developer

[pearl forge]

brb

[sick birch]

also if we look at stats, discord.py has had ~550,000 downloads in the past week (500,000 for discord.py and 50,000 for discord). and if we take py-cord, it's had ~18000 downloads in the past week. i use the past week because i'm assuming those are the people that are most likely going to ask for help. if we go by those stats you can assume someone asking for help is using discord.py and you'll be right 97% of the time. of the remaining 3%, you most likely only really need to change up your answer if the person is asking for help with app commands

i think assuming the software 97% of people use is fair to call the default

[stark ingot]

Again, this is a side-topic of my original statement. But I dont really care about that as much any more. Manually linking is good enough for me. But it is concerning when py-cord, disnake, nextcord, etc users get linked discord.py docs.

[jaunty cape]

?tag who is the most intelligent developer

[novel apex]

This is not a Modmail thread.

[jaunty cape]

I love Solstice Sha-‘3ard

Solstice Sha-‘3ard is number wa’3aann

[pearl forge]

What even is your original statement, then?

Because at this point, I may have either completely lost what you mean or misunderstood

[stark ingot]

If you add the other libraries it gets closer to 90-92% last I checked

[stark ingot]

I want the other libraries mentioned by name (and with a link to docs) in the channel description of this channel

[pearl forge]

Hit #community-meta up with a request

[sick birch]

sure. it's still the vast majority of people using discord.py, i'd only really consider it if it was like, 60-40 but i guess thats arguable

[fast osprey]

And what are the criteria you would use to determine which forks "earn" a spot

[stark ingot]

Discord recognized libraries

https://discord.com/developers/docs/developer-tools/community-resources#community-resources

[fast osprey]

Oh wow hikari is still there

[timber dragon]

What happened