card interaction bug: Kelsien, the plague and thornbite staff | forge | Page 1

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 7:19 PM

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downloaded forge (snapshot 2.0.05-07.05) last night for the first time, and loaded my kelsien commander decklist into forge to play agaisnt AI decks.

i got to equip the commander with thornbite staff and deathtouch which creates a 1-shot tap-untap loop to be able to board clear any creature. but in my match it didnt untap kelsien after he killed something.

idk if theres a way to just quickly recreate the boardstate to test the interaction on my end that i could do, but maybe its possible i missclicked something to cause it not to trigger correctly

https://edhrec.com/combos/mardu/1416-2178-2759

EDHREC

Kelsien, the Plague + Thornbite Staff + Rune of Mortality | EDHREC

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 7:30 PM

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~~You must've done something wrong, 'cause this works.~~

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And thinking on it, I really don't see what you could even do to mess up the interaction as far as button clicks go.

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You do have two triggers that will happen simultaneously, so you have to order them before you put them on the stack. Could this be where you stalled out?

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About the only thing I can think of is if there was a dies replacement effect on the field. Something that exiled the creatures if they would die.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 7:43 PM

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is there a sandbox mode i can just throw the cards into or do i need to run a full game and hope i get the combo?

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 7:47 PM

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Enable the dev mode and then you can just spawn the cards you want.

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I always have it enabled 'cause it really helps with the infinite mana combos. It's way easier to just add mana to the pool in one click vs going through a loop hundreds of times. XD

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 8:06 PM

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where do i enable dev mode? couldnt seem to spot it, ini edit?

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 8:19 PM

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violet wolf where do i enable dev mode? couldnt seem to spot it, ini edit?

You do this through the Preferences in the game.

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It's towards the bottom near the hotkeys, I think.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 8:23 PM

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how did i miss that lmao. thanks

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did work, so maybe it was just something really funky.

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thanks!

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 8:37 PM

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I'm guessing that there was a dies replacement effect on the field.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 9:32 PM

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this might not be app specific, but i thought tapping a creature thats already attacking doesnt change anything in combat so would me killing the guy blocking me then just let me swing through normally? it didnt do damage here, it just killed his blocker and ended the combat

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 9:50 PM

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violet wolf this might not be app specific, but i thought tapping a creature thats already a...

Once a blocker has been declared, that creature is blocked even if the blocker dies before any actual combat takes place. The only way that combat damage can happen in this scenario is if the attacker has trample.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 9:51 PM

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so inbetween attack being declared is when i'd trigger it to go through since they'd have no blocker?

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Yes. If you want to kill the creature before blocks are declared, then you need to trigger Kelsien after you've declared attacks.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 9:53 PM

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how do i even get that between step then? because it just jumps right to a declared blocker

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torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 9:53 PM

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You have your phases set to skip. Click on the phases next to the player panel to turn them on.

violet wolf Jul 7, 2025, 9:55 PM

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oh those are buttons. lord theres a fuckton of contextual ui lmao

torpid oar Jul 7, 2025, 9:55 PM

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Yeah, a lot of people miss that one.

#card interaction bug: Kelsien, the plague and thornbite staff