Languages

[main briar]

talky talk. I hope it's gonna be pretty straight forward, but I wanna hear about feedback, since I am an english speaker

[atomic crystal]

by language filter do you mean like the ability to hide projects not in x language?

[main briar]

Yes

[atomic crystal]

aight

[urban berry]

Uh huh

[main briar]

e.g.

[frozen wasp]

depends on the specifics here, will you hide projects that only support english from anyone with a different locale or only those where "english is not commonly understood"

[main briar]

It would mean we'd show only projects that have the language supported

[frozen wasp]

applying that to all languages, even ones where the majority speak english, probably isn't a great idea

[main briar]

Would mean we'll probably increase the number of languages allowed and allow you to translations for your descriptions

The languages we support on top.gg

[sterile galleon]

uwu lang

if theres uwu lang i'll support whatever you want

[boreal grove]

@main briar can you check my language Kurdish Sorani

[main briar]

Yeah we can most likely add it

[boreal grove]

i think already has in backend but idk for frontend web

[cerulean knot]

So you're asking non-English speakers for feedback in English

[wraith narwhal]

You can add polish language i can translate

[main briar]

Biggest thing is around experience around countries where it's not a highly used secondary language

[rich idol]

IMO I feel like possibly allowing a select menu like this would help “English > English only bots
Español > Spanish only bots”

But me just here

[potent silo]

I don't think applying the lang filter by default would be a good idea, my browser is set to german for example and it'd be more of an annoyance than help

[silver hearth]

I’m assuming languages is in reference to languages that the bot supports?

[main briar]

🤔 fair fair

[main briar]

Yes

Though, if you browse the site in english, you shouldn't have this issue

[whole knot]

did you updated Portuguese?

[main briar]

I guess an alternative is that we can have a list of known languages which do not have a good english overlap

[silver hearth]

I see. By default my bot is English but there is a set translation for quotes it offers and it translates everything. It supports all Google Translate languages but I only have English listed. Would the filter then not show my bot?

[main briar]

i think most of it is there yes

[whole knot]

nice

[main briar]

depends, do you have the languages added in your bot page?

[silver hearth]

I do not as I don’t want to put every language on it lol. But I guess I could just put the most popular

[main briar]

Fair enough 🤔

yeah I'm mostly thinking of users who do not speak english getting stuck in an english-only site

[cerulean knot]

Maybe add an auto detection, and show a tooltip "Want to view Top.gg in [Language]?" (in their language ofc) where the language switcher is?

The problem now is if you don't speak English and if you're the first time here you don't know where it is

[main briar]

It defeats the point of translating the site and giving them english only bots

[cerulean knot]

anddd you just got at this point yea

[main briar]

yeah might be a good idea!

[nimble ravine]

100% yes. Let users find bots they can understand in its day to day use. Developers need to understand that not eeryone speaks English. If they want to widen their audience, they need to widen their functionality. I honestly thought this was already athing, but didn't realize until now. This shouldn't even be a debate, there's literally no reason to not add it.

[indigo hare]

Not sure about my opinion, but I think this rule must apply based on the selected languages for the project

[nimble ravine]

Yes, that's the purpose of it. Let end users filter for bots that support their language when searching. Whether it's on by default or not could be debated if anything, but it should exist nonetheless. IMO keep it persistent per user, off by default with an easy toggle option based on browser language.

[restive scaffold]

I think it’s a good idea and explain in like a little label that it has been automatically translated so if it doesn’t translate well it’s understandable lol

[lime hatch]

Urdu?

[steel vapor]

I have a lot of users in Europe who speak English fluently but their browser would be in Dutch, German, French etc. These people would not find English bots anymore without explicitly turning on the filter? I do wonder how many bots would even remain discoverable for some of these languages?

I just don't think it would be clear that more bots would appear if you change your language settings

[main briar]

Yes, that was partially covered in the main question - languages with english as secondary would be fine, im mainly talking about languages like spanish, portuguese, japanese, korean

[halcyon nebula]

Do you mean to say *countries* where english is not a typical secondary language?

I think by default the search tab should include English language bots, regardless of the detected user language. I would imagine the number of e.g. Dutch users with their browser set to Dutch who also speak English is far higher than the number of e.g. Afghan users who have their browser set to Farsi who only speak Farsi.

[main briar]

We don't really have country data when browsing top.gg, so it would be per-language

But yeah, generally it's going to be a bad experience if users who speak no english, are forced to see a bunch of english bots

[halcyon nebula]

It'll be bad until they click the filter button, maybe the button should be highlighted in certain cases. But I'm just thinking proportionally, and I don't know the site's user statistics, but I imagine the number of people who don't understand English at all is lower than the number who do understand English but their browser is set to their native language, who now won't be able to see bots that they otherwise would be able to use because they were filtered out by default. And most of them might not even notice that that happened, they'll just assume there aren't that many bots that meet their search terms.

[main briar]

I can empathize with your thoughts here, but it doesn't quite cover my main concern. When I for example spoke to people in japan about top.gg, the majority of users I met simply said "hey I do not speak english, so your website is useless for me", I'm trying to optimize for users across the world here, and since we support several other L1 languages (spanish, chinese, hindi). It might be worth to explore whether this would result in better experiences across the world.

Now admittedly I understand that asking an english speaking community "hey should we start favouring bots that support the user's preferred locale and not just english" will be met with some resistance, since it impacts people's growth, but it also is an opportunity for smaller, localized bots to shine, and encourages localizing your bot to reach a wider audience you wouldn't have seen before.

Anyways, I think I've learned a lot from that Most likely will not do it for now

[nimble ravine]

Language filters would be an OR type, meaning the user could add the languages they speak, and any bots with any of those languages would show.

Browsers also support multiple languages being sent in headers for what they speak, so there's no real issue there.

i.e. I can set English US as my primary language, and then add in es-419, it, pt-BR as additional languages. All get sent in headers to sites so they can choose one of those to show based on what they natively support. Anything outside of that triggers built-in page translations now.

Top.gg can auto filter based on those settings, allowing the user to add/remove any languages at will. Definitely shouldn't be a single choice, multiple languages can be known by people.

[polar storm]

btw, so this one will come with bot page localization, right?

[abstract steeple]

Add Kurdish Lang

[main briar]

this is coming yes