Guideline update

[ruby cargo]

rawr

[hushed nimbus]

[plush beacon]

ok

[crisp coral]

Good

[dusk wasp]

ok

[atomic furnace]

[sinful flower]

tldr, follow the law(?)

[faint crescent]

Good 👍

[odd linden]

rip music bots 💀

[ornate cypress]

[abstract grotto]

[topaz iron]

Do we need to resubmit are bot to be reapproved again

[hushed nimbus]

HIIII

[verbal thorn]

No you wont need to do that!

[ornate cypress]

Which most to all no code bot builders have.

Module wise

[ruby cargo]

Music bots do not download or provide downloaded content This does not effect those

Playing music is not the same

[topaz iron]

That mean no music bots on top.gg anymore

[delicate agate]

Was just about to dm you related to that 😂

[ruby cargo]

Always on the ball

[sinful flower]

though why does topgg allow music bots that play from yt?

as its obviously breaking googles tos

[verbal thorn]

Top.gg does not currently enforce other companies TOS besides Top.gg and Discord.

[sinful flower]

idk about the other services but theirs as well

[sinful flower]

isn't breaking another services tos against discords tos

[ornate cypress]

Discord barely knows there own tos

[verbal thorn]

If you believe an application breaks Top.gg or Discord TOS then you can report it on the website and we will look into it 🙂

[sinful flower]

and I genuinely find it weird that bots are allowed to break other's terms

[ornate cypress]

It’s just how discord is. They say one thing but does something different.

What does this limit then if not music?

[dusk wasp]

There's no scalable way to moderate every single platform's ToS

So if a bot breaks a platform not directly associated, the platform can bring awareness to it

[low plinth]

this is for music bots or this card bots on topgg that are using anime characters to monetize?

couse i doubt they have copryright for using it

[dusk wasp]

This covers specifically downloader utilities

[ornate cypress]

Such as?

[dusk wasp]

file downloader utility bots, bots that allow you to download pirated content are examples

[sinful flower]

also, streaming music without proper broadcasting licenses of the songs played is generally counted as infringing intellectual property rights

[sinful flower]

yeah no, definitely not with all cases—but obvious things are, especially if its a core feature, like streaming copy righted music without a broadcasting license

[ornate cypress]

#1449138206196105268 message

[sinful flower]

not my point

[dusk wasp]

Can of worms

you are exactly proving my point why we do not actively do it

core feature of a music bot would be broadcasting, a terraria bot, terraria tos, minecraft bot.... etc.

there's thousands of bots with thousands of potential ToS'

[sinful flower]

atp its just copyright law lol

[dusk wasp]

we process DMCA claims

[covert linden]

So basically bots that have a command that wraps yt-dlp

[dusk wasp]

That would not be allowed no

[autumn magnet]

more of any bot that has a special scraper to download then redistribute content from like x, instagram.. etc

[odd linden]

Yes same question. if my bot has a command to download an Instagram reel on discord that's also against these guidelines or not ?

[harsh cosmos]

🙏 🎉 🤜 🤛

🇭🇷 🇦🇺

[covert linden]

...which is usually yt-dlp lmao, yt-dlp (and youtube-dl in general) support hundreds of sites not just youtube

[covert linden]

yep

[odd linden]

what if I embed the video instead of directly giving a file ?

[astral bear]

J

[unborn nebula]

Thank God bless reviewers heart But there's not very many of them so it takes forever :(

[elder snow]

the current wait time is 3 days, that's not too long

[unborn nebula]

idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[abstract grotto]

are music bots cooked

[elder snow]

nope

playing music is unaffected

this guideline is only about downloader bots

[unborn nebula]

It doesn't mention audio files it's mainly for downloading stuff such as a bot that would allow you to search artwork and download it

[thick lodge]

Does that mean people now can easily find bots distributing pirated content by searching some keywords in #mod-logs ?
-# It has been an efficient way to find NSFW bots.

[elder snow]

you can yes

[onyx sierra]

Ok

[odd linden]

not all only a few

[onyx sierra]

Hi everyone

🥰

[gleaming mauve]

Downloading and streaming is not the same, at all with that logic it would be copyright to open a chrome tab and play a song on SoundCloud or YouTube

Same reason for a example yt dlp and GitHub beat Google

https://github.blog/news-insights/policy-news-and-insights/standing-up-for-developers-youtube-dl-is-back/

“didn’t actually “circumvent” a protected access control because YouTube itself serves the streams openly to browsers,”

A bot acting as a headless browser playing content that’s publicly accessible via browsers isn’t DMCA nor is it copyright infringement, downloading and redistributing is

Imagine saying ur headless browser is illegal go to jail how dare u publicly access content that’s publicly embeddedable on sites

[sinful flower]

https://gvl.de/en/rechtenutzerinnen/licensing-gvl/web-radio-and-instore-radio

If you operate a web radio you must register with GEMA and GVL. (germany)

[gleaming mauve]

Well this ain’t Germany lmao it’s America, and again YouTube doesn’t have a GBL of a GEMA

Ur augment for a American company inside a platform a another USA company is Germany law?

[sinful flower]

topgg is in the Netherlands and also offers its service in Germany

idk what you want with America

[gleaming mauve]

and top gg enforces the terms and policy of its self and discord

And Google itself is American

[sinful flower]

discord terms don't allow you to break laws

[gleaming mauve]

There’s no law being broken

Ur claiming there’s a law being broken but there isn’t

[sinful flower]

what lol

[gleaming mauve]

What law is being broken

https://www.gema.de/en/w/help/users/use-music/social-media-websites/upload-music-content-video-platform-youtube

YouTube has respective exploitation rights.

[gleaming mauve]

you’re claiming there’s a law being broken but you’re not backing it up

[sinful flower]

did you even read what you sent

[gleaming mauve]

I did

YouTube has the rights within its platform

YouTube pays the license fees

[sinful flower]

absolutely brain damage

[gleaming mauve]

Ur fried dawg lmao

Ur claiming saying that isn’t illegal is illegal lmao

[sinful flower]

if you say so

[gleaming mauve]

You’re bad at defending ur point

[sinful flower]

I don't have any benefit to waste my time at a family lunch

[gleaming mauve]

That’s fair, but acting like you’re still correct despite not being is crazy, ur response to American law for American company’s is a random German law

I even provided u with a actual case of google losing a DCMA claim to GitHub

Because media accessible via a public browser isn’t a DCMA violation

[sinful flower]

👍

[gleaming mauve]

👌 if anything top gg needs less porn bots

[sinful flower]

I already had legal issues myself to that regard, I can tell you

[atomic gyro]

Hello! I'm super late to this announcement, but I do have a question.

I have a command that allows people to get a link to download a fanwork from AO3 without leaving discord if they have the URL. Technically, fanworks are copyright their creators, but AO3 automatically provides these links for every work archived on the site, and all I've done is linked to their downloads.

Would this violate the guideline or not?