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storm barn
neat eagle
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FINALLY

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THANKS

dawn quiver
mellow kernel
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KSG MINER PL

fiery yacht
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Did you write your own search or did you use something existing? (curious)

small raven
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E

sharp juniper
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Someone forgot the 15 minute mod warning ;p

nimble flower
storm barn
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whoops

tame pasture
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im skibidoing your mom

storm barn
bitter lotus
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That's nice

fiery yacht
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oh cool, thanks lol

dawn quiver
opaque pagoda
fiery yacht
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it's not made for search

mellow kernel
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@storm barn do u likeeee ksg miner pl? @frail flint

gentle willow
nimble flower
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i hope my tag bot some attention 😀😄😀😀😄😀

fiery yacht
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elastic search is literally made for search

opaque pagoda
storm barn
fiery yacht
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I used typesense for a while

mellow kernel
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holy shit the search is faster lol

bitter lotus
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What are the quality signals you're talking about ?

tender peak
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How do you determine "high confidence in quality"

fiery yacht
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damn that search is insane... great work

mellow kernel
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great work!

bitter lotus
storm barn
tacit hearth
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Nice

bitter lotus
last ivy
storm barn
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your full description, all categories, and some reviews' context is included

long maple
opaque pagoda
tender peak
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Do you take into account if people search for the bot and click on it? Like do you take CTR into account

fervent turtle
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high confidence and quality signals will surface more often
what define confidence and quality signals?

humble temple
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my bot shows up at like position 30 something when i type its exact name lmao

storm barn
storm barn
bitter lotus
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Time to update/improve our top.gg page PE_PandaExcited

hexed rose
fervent turtle
storm barn
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one thing thats important to mention, we can't extract context from iframes donotsteal_b_Tear

fervent turtle
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im good until we dont have to gamify keywords as if it were google 😄

long maple
humble temple
storm barn
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most of the boosts are a multiplier

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we can't get multiply by 0 bun_tear

tender peak
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time to start employing evil and dishonest seo strategies to maximize my topgg rank

humble temple
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plenty of 0-vote bots with totally different names show up before mine xD

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but its fine, i dont mind

storm barn
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thats valid

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I'll check what's up with that

long maple
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bro just added an Anti-Tim check

last ivy
humble temple
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maybe increase bot's name relevancy priority

surreal tendon
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@slim talon

storm barn
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it's quite strong already (around 5x boost for perfect matches)

bitter lotus
storm barn
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but i think we should set a minimum value for it other than a modifier

humble temple
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yeah, maybe priorize bot names first, and then after exhausting exact matches, applie other modifiers

cloud flower
storm barn
humble temple
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which system are you using btw?

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something like elasticsearch?

storm barn
humble temple
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or a homemande one :)

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nice

tender peak
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How long did this take yall

storm barn
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Exact matches are the first priority, but we can't give it the definite 1st place because otherwise random bots with generic names will overtake every search query

mellow kernel
humble temple
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i see

exotic flicker
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What makes it appear more in particular. The "higher confidence " doesn't really say what that's based on? Is it based on description or what factors

storm barn
long maple
storm barn
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yeah it's actually approximately a 5x increase in your final score

tender peak
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Is it still able to understand descriptions that take advantage of using enriched HTML within it

storm barn
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pretty sure we don't trim it yet tho Giggle

long maple
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oop

tender peak
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How much do votes play a part now?

storm barn
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it's still a very very strong indicator

bitter lotus
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With this SEO improvement, is an alternative ranking to the current two rankings (votes and new bots) planned soon?
The top voted bots ranking primarily concentrates bots that offer compensation in exchange for votes.

storm barn
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your base score is around 90% votes

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then modifiers and relevance is what enriches the listing positions

tender peak
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Does this change tag placements or is it legit just searches

storm barn
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Do you mean the auctions ones?

tender peak
storm barn
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Oh, that's still the exact same

shut drift
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hello

storm barn
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It doesnt rely on searches

exotic flicker
tender peak
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just curious how are the tag placements caluclated

stuck blaze
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Long time no see Veld. Nice to see good QOL changes to top.gg 🙂

storm barn
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Hey miyuka! long time no see indeed

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Either way, very receptive on feedback right now. If you guys see something that doesnt make sense, feel free to post it here or in my DMs and i'll take a look!

severe meadow
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Amazing update, love it

frosty mirage
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Bring bot detective back please

sharp juniper
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One day, hopefully

storm barn
junior chasm
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pog

hollow eagle
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Awesome how fast search is now. Definitely elastic search carrying the load here.

light flax
storm barn
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it would be ignored

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not now, but very soon hnsPeepoSmileOwO

light flax
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damn

storm barn
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as i said above, html isnt being parsed yet

storm barn
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so you're probably hitting redis instead

light flax
storm barn
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ah

long maple
storm barn
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yeah iframe bad

long maple
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retweet

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#I_Hate_Iframes

storm barn
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they generally cause a bad UX

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so i will always recommend not using them

long maple
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Real

valid basin
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Ya know what else is MASSIVE?!

hollow eagle
hollow eagle
valid basin
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The looooooooooow taaaaaper faaaaade

hollow eagle
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Besides iframes, which objectively suck, I don’t see a reason to keep html around personally.

storm barn
# hollow eagle Will you enforce markdown at some point? I feel like the custom css doesn’t make...

I like the way people use css, but it's a bit of a double-edged blade because bad visibility can harm your bot page.

parsing HTML and fetching the raw text wouldn't be a big deal, so I wouldn't want to enforce it since so many bot devs rely on html already. only thing I'm considering is sandboxing the css inside the box, but we have some features coming to customize your bot page without needing css soon

hollow eagle
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Maybe having markdown and a separate css field could make sense?

storm barn
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Yeah something like that would work, I like how GitHub handles it

sharp juniper
hollow eagle
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I think the only reason I use css on top.gg is to sync the website theme color to our description highlights or something.

storm barn
storm barn
hollow eagle
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Our description is super old and outdated mini_skull

storm barn
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new field in the backend: brandColor

hollow eagle
storm barn
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owie

hollow eagle
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I’ll rewrite this in markdown for sure.

storm barn
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i like mine

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mainly markdown

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hollow eagle
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Very nice

slim glen
storm barn
covert rivet
polar lantern
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my bot ranks 4th if I search for its exact name topggThink

storm barn
polar lantern
storm barn
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your bot shows #1 for me on both

polar lantern
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oh how interesting

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cause this is what I see

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should I perhaps clear cache?

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oh yes that did the trick

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thank you

storm barn
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ah okay

spiral inlet
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Appears fixed now

sick storm
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When I search "stickybot" it only shows the bot named stickybot and is not showing the bots with stickybot tags/category

tender bloom
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Going onto that, it also seems like it doesn’t like spaces for instance “sticky bot” shows a whole different list then “stickybot”

sick storm
exotic flicker
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Why is my bot 2nd when i search for it EXACTLY. And the bot above it is not even remotely related

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@storm barn

storm barn
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thanks for reporting!

exotic flicker
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Yeah np ve;d

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veld

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Other thing i noticed if it helps at all. It does not change if i change any of the filters. So like switching top to new does not change it at all. Specifing my bot

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's server count does not change it. And so forth

storm barn
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for sorting?

exotic flicker
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Yeah. I tried changing it to see if its just sorted odd. Dosent change it even remotely almost like it dosent see the filters.

restive nebula
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I’ve been noticing I’ve been getting more votes since this change rolled out 🙂

storm barn
exotic flicker
manic totem
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What exactly got changed? Do we have to redo our bot pages?

restive nebula
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“Ostra” is I guess weird enough name to be affected by the update

storm barn
restive nebula
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Any way we could get some info on how we’re doing on pages like this in general down the road

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We have impressions clicks and ctr for auctions id love to see something like google search console where we can see what terms we appear most in get most clicks in etc. same for tags in general

sick storm
exotic flicker
restive nebula
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And auctions suggests that infra is already there and just needs to be tweaked to track all bots on that page

exotic flicker
radiant skiff
odd creek
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half of the bots don't even have tts, and it's pretty unfair now that voting doesn't seem to like really matter anymore

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also I won't even ask why my bot is twice there

storm barn
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Some bots here don't need to be there. Voting still matters, were still tweaking the systems which is why I'm actively asking for feedback 🤭

odd creek
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I think voting should still be a strong power - as that's the literal reason voting exists

exotic flicker
storm barn
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Yeah that's kinda what I've been seeing in tests too. Karuta and mudae everywhere #1 because of the sheer number of votes they have

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For shorter queries we definitely can optimize but reducing the room for error though

odd creek
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maybe voting should just be valued less once there is a huge amount of votes

storm barn
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That's why some bots appear that shouldn't be here

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That's what happens now

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It's logarithmically scored

exotic flicker
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Like a antispam bot when i search my bot "antiscammer"?

odd creek
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but 115k still should kinda be more above like 8 lol

storm barn
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10 votes is a 1x, 100, 2x, 1000, 3x

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I agree

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Still being tweaked

elder kelp
storm barn
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Relevance dictates eligibility

odd creek
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if you'd decide to make votes less important, than why would I bother annoying my users to vote

elder kelp
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but nothing to do with the votes

odd creek
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(unrelated but please make ctrl+K and cmd+K focus the search bar)

storm barn
exotic flicker
odd creek
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as Kyrela suggested to make them less important

storm barn
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Ahh noted apologies

dense ginkgo
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massive?

spark orbit
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So far my bot had an average of 71 servers per day from top.gg on the last 3 weeks (lowest = 60), and yesterday I got 40 servers. The number of views on the top.gg page has also fallen drastically. It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next few days, but I don't think it's a coincidence. My page is 100% html (not an iframe), so I don't know if it can affect the ranking

odd creek
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for me

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storm barn
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I got a list of changes, but i still need to test them

storm barn
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Hi y'all! I updated the algorithm a bit. Let me know if this generally feels better/worse. :)

Give it 5-10 minutes to update the feeds!

odd creek
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yeah, yeah I think I like it more

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still a little odd for such bots to appear on queries like "text to speech" (I doubt that they offer that)

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storm barn
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votes are still very important

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so highly voted bots will pop up more easily

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can't do much about that without building CTR-based systems :p

odd creek
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what I mean is off-topic bots showing up, not the ordering

storm barn
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yeah

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that's because we have a very little amount for long descriptions now

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larger context while juggling the priority for votes makes them appear more

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maybe i can tweak the values, but idk

nova gust
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does the new search also use long description now as well, or just short desc, bot name and tags?

odd creek
nova gust
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Lol no way its the message above, thank you 😭

storm barn
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ye

storm barn
nova gust
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Cool thank you 🙂

odd creek
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so if I look for "shit bot" I get truly awful bots? epic /sarcasm

sonic gale
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I would like to raise concern regarding how the search filter is working.

  • why m getting these extra bot results when I searched for streaks and those bots have nothing to do with streak?
  • highly voted will appear at top, that's a nice thing, but why the search results also includes bot that have nothing to do with streaks?
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storm barn
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thanks for bringing that up

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I'll take a look

tender bloom
surreal tendon
bitter fog
storm barn
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There should be more bots, but you're #1 which is ok

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We do typo tolerance checking now, so not only perfect matches appear

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so people can also mistype your bot's name now

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sonic gale
# storm barn There should be more bots, but you're #1 which is ok

When a user searches for a word (e.g., "Sky"):

  • First priority → List bots whose names contain the word "sky"
  • Second priority → List bots that have matching tags
  • Third priority → List bots where the description contains that word
    {just the short description ig}

All results sorted in descending order of votes (most voted bots at the top)

just a suggestion

odd creek
sonic gale
# 
    bots = fetch_bots_data()  # Simulate dynamic fetch
    keyword = keyword.lower()

    def match_priority(bot):
        name = bot["name"].lower()
        tags = [tag.lower() for tag in bot["tags"]]
        description = bot["description"].lower()

        if keyword in name:
            return 1
        elif any(keyword in tag for tag in tags):
            return 2
        elif keyword in description:
            return 3
        return 4

    # Add dynamic tier info
    for bot in bots:
        bot["match_tier"] = match_priority(bot)

    # Filter only bots with a match
    matched_bots = [bot for bot in bots if bot["match_tier"] < 4]

    # Sort live each time
    sorted_result = sorted(matched_bots, key=lambda b: (b["match_tier"], -b["votes"]))
    return sorted_result
odd creek
sonic gale
odd creek
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bot name is first in your listing

sonic gale
sonic gale
odd creek
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I know that you aren't a dev — your suggestion just isn't thought through very well

sonic gale
storm barn
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we already do something similar to this, but instead we use weighing ratios

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so that votes are still marginally impactful and can leak into upper tiers

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Generally I believe the new system is much better and more responsive than the old one and that's already a huge improvement

sonic gale
storm barn
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you will need atleast a few votes to get that priority

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nearly all "streaks" bots have 0 to 10 votes

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which is virtually nothing compared to what they're ranked up against

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there's no algorithm that will prioritize 0 over 800k

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generally we're already strongly prioritizing content, e.g. taco shack shows up on page 3 for streaks with 40k votes

sonic gale
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its not just for me personally, like the user that goes their to search for a bot to add to their server, then how do you think they will react seeing all those results which have nothing to do with what they searched

if it needs to be sorted by votes only, why is there any need for the search thing?

search loses its purpose when peoples aren't able to find what they are searching for

odd creek
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search works just fine on all the tags or queries I care about — can't say much on any others. Yes here and there there may be an off-topic bot, but that kinda was already the case before too, now just different ones — even if I'd prefer them not being there

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and it's not sorted by votes only anymore — as veld said; I just think that votes should continue to have a strong impact on ordering, as that's literally the reason why voting exists

storm barn
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Search isn't sorted by votes only though, but we use votes as a social proof for the scoring system

sonic gale
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I get that votes are important — they help users trust bots and filter out spammy ones. That makes sense.

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But on the other hand :

  • If votes are the main thing that determines ranking, new bots get buried, even if they are exactly what the user is looking for.
  • Bots are added to Top.gg so they can grow — but they won’t grow if no one can discover them.

and if you saying that the new filter in sorting option does that : No it doesn't, it still shows the exact same result

odd creek
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idk my bot grew from 0 to 17k in a year

sonic gale
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Aside from this, on the topic of relevance that was initially started this

I get it my suggestion was way more optimistic and not much practical.

However, you can still do that, by adding a relevance filter option in sorting, that works like I suggested before

sonic gale
odd creek
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I achieved that with four bots independently without auctions or putting much time inyo SEO, neither do I vote lock stuff

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it just comes to what the user needs and wants, and if your bot is of quality

nova gust
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some unrelated bots are appearing on the "form" and "forms" search results

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sonic gale
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they will just show the bots with most votes

storm barn
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Please stop talking in this thread if you aren't going to take the conversation seriously @sonic gale the clear result from our conversation was that there's nuance between context and social proof.

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It's pretty clear from the search result that if we only cared about votes (as you claim) a bot with 178 votes would never win against a bot with 2.1 million votes

sonic gale
surreal tendon
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no one said we don't care about unrelated bots showing up on searches

odd creek
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what about including a bots supported language vs the user's language in the search ranking

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(either use geo IP, their top.gg language, or their Discord locale)

storm barn
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the new system supports localization support yeah

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we have yet to roll that out

dawn quiver
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just to seem like they care?

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the new search is horrible for some terms

spark orbit
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because they care, just read Veld's messages above

storm barn
dawn quiver
dawn quiver
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Afaik, none of these bots has a feature to sync roles between different servers

storm barn
dawn quiver
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I do find them when I just search on Google, funnily enough listed on top.gg

storm barn
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i think role sync can also be used for when a user leaves and joins back. Many bots do find that

dawn quiver
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Well I guess all these terms are a bit subjective but I would call those "sticky roles"

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And before the search was updated they would show up while searching on top.gg

storm barn
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fair enough!

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I can see what we can do here

storm barn
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Ah @dawn quiver, your bot has 0 votes, so you have a really hard time showing up in search

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generally 0 votes is a something we can't really do anything with in our algorithm, so you're purely at the whim of relevance

dawn quiver
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i would say a bot with the name "role sync" is pretty relevant to someone looking for a bot that does exactly that

storm barn
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yeah agreed, but the algorithm has two scores "relevancy" and "votes", if one is super high and the other is 0 you'll really need to be super relevant to get high up there

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i checked on the backend, it seems to fall on place 60 right now

dawn quiver
odd creek
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same for cricket guru — it doesn't include neither "text" nor "speech" anywhere, therefore also not "Text to Speech"

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surreal tendon
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on their description

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"YUBABE - Economy bot system with hunting, giveaways, anti spam, tts support"

odd creek
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oh I used search in page and I missed that lol ok

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but the other

surreal tendon
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not sure about the other Thonk

royal violet
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s

opaque citrus
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this ranking is a bit weird

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a bot with triple the votes is ranked lower

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also same rating, but way more reviews count on the 2nd (which should imply more accuracy - instead of 5 vote on the first)

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any way this could be improved/fixed

storm barn
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need more info, what's the search link?

opaque citrus
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or dm me when you read this

surreal tendon
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you can just dm it to him poggythumbsup

storm barn
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yea just dm

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dont even need to ping me about it first

opaque citrus
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did 🙂