Pandemic DLC/Free Update

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1. More Hospitals, Clinics and Deathcares
2. Pandemic disasters and events
3. Quarantine Zones
4. More Ambulance vehicle variants
5. Improved Healthcare gameplay mechanic
6. Drawable Cemeteries

[sturdy oyster]

Zombies as one kind of pandemic! 🙂

[woven flicker]

Agreed.

[midnight river]

HARD pass on this for me. The trauma of the IRL Pandemic is still too recent.

[river bluff]

Yeah this is probably too soon for most people. And the implementation will be insane to work out.

[soft vessel]

Literally still happening??

Though, drawable cemetery isn't a bad idea... Thing is too huge to start

[honest quail]

From what I can tell there are already pandemics in the game, that's why there is a disease research center for patients that normal hospitals can't help, and they can spread across your city and cause a death wave.

[open pollen]

This is a great idea

[soft vessel]

No, that's a death wave from how life cycles work. Look more closely at the effect.

If 20k ppl move in or are born at roughly the same time, then those people are going to die at roughly the same time given the same average health and well-being

Lifecycle rebalanced mod adjusted this by randomizing education and age of cims moving in.

It's otherwise the same thing happening in cs1.

[honest quail]

This doesn't apply to CS2 because deaths can happen at any age by diseases and car accidents, and deaths from old age are now spread out to more years (my guess is between 65-80, but I don't got the numbers yet) - while CS1 always die at exactly 80yo

[honest quail]

CS2 already does that, cims can move to your city at any age and any education level at "educated" or lower - sometimes higher if you have a lot of high skill jobs available.

[soft vessel]

So death waves are less severe

But there's still a vastly different in game effect from the center

Also stop trying to make COVID happen in game

I've gotten it three times IRL my cims do not need to be getting it

It reduces the effect of pollution and improves recovery chance for the entire city

[midnight river]

If some people want it, a mod or paid DLC would be fine, or if they want to do it as a free update, give the option of having pandemics or not, but do not, under any circumstances, make it required content.

[soft vessel]

Stop trying to make COVID happen in game.

Having a DLC = mod dependency for something down the road.

It's literally an ongoing public health emergency. "Too soon" doesn't even cut it. There's even an unfinished infestation disaster :x

Too soon = number of deaths * 2 in years

Considering it's now endemic to the population and no longer a pandemic and you'll be receiving regular shots with your flu shot unless you opt out in most states if you have the regular COVID shot, it's no longer going away, ever. I find it at best, insensitive. A mod maybe? You want a quick way for a PR disaster?

[midnight river]

I was not trying to make COVID happen in-game. I don't want it either (see my Dislike on the original post, and previous comments on this thread).

There are those who want to consider general public health in the game, however, which does not have to be COVID specifically. Pandemics and epidemics are something that have existed in one form or another across human history. If someone wants to explore the challenges inherent to these kinds of situations in their single-player game, I'm saying these could potentially be avenues to allowing them to do so without forcing everyone who doesn't want this to also have to deal with it. You're right in that a DLC or optional update aren't the best way for CO to go about it. I would not be opposed to the existence of a mod, however. I won't be installing said mod, but I'm not going to complain about its being a thing.

[soft vessel]

So does one person get sick and make everyone else sick?

[soft vessel]

Yeah but its unique! We had all the technology and know how, but because of antimaskers and antivaxxers and other political and social elements and anti science elements, it was completely worthless! Now would be honestly the worst, most controversial time to bring it up.

[soft vessel]

Because if so I'm deleting the section of road there on and replacing it with an infinite loop 😔

[soft vessel]

Mainly by the two most powerful leaders of the two countries to get hit first by outbreaks, I might add

So basically because of that "vaccines cause autism" guy (they don't) and milk or veganism causes autism (also doesn't) this is a sociopolitical quagmire that can't be touched with a one parsec carbon nanotube rod and it's why aliens don't visit us

THAT'S why we can't have it

Because of the perfect storm of general anti intellectualism that led to it even becoming a pandemic in the first place, despite us having all the tools to contain it more like SARS circa 2008.

[midnight river]

You clearly didn't read my comment. I'm as upset about everything you mentioned as you are. However, I was not talking about all that. I said if someone wants to make a mod that people who want it can install, fine. Don't jump down my throat please.

[soft vessel]

Mod Isn't the same as a expansion... They make it an expansion some asset or mod will require it as prerequisite

Plus don't you think that would be a PR disaster for CO?

To charge money for?

This isn't "mod suggestions" this is "CS2 suggestions"

Modding ain't even gonna be open for several more months, and the only ppl with any real access are a few advanced beta program ppl

[lavish orbit]

Calm down lol. A pandemic disaster would be fine, they don't need to call it covid. By your logic cars shouldn't be in CS because people die in traffic accidents

[soft vessel]

Traffic accidents aren't political. Well, they are, but not in a polarized way. Usually it's "the city needs to do something about traffic" not "^the entire anti intellectualism quagmire I just mentioned"

No political spectrum except maybe whoever supported highways over public transit

[fast stream]

theres a a disease thing in game.. and I m not sure wat it applies to. Afraid to even know.

[unique wigeon]

"The trauma"

Sitting at home scary?

[vernal slate]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-late-omg-what-happened-pizza-gif-11504119

no need to be rude

[midnight river]

Really? That's where you went?

I'll have you know that I did medical deliveries to COVID patients during the Pandemic. Even when I was at home, yes, being isolated from greater society for months at a time was, in fact, traumatic. When I did go out, interacting with people who had absolutely no regard for basic health and safety rules designed to keep us from getting a highly-communicable and life-threatening illness was, in fact, scary.

Before posting comments like this, remember that you don't know what other people's life experience has been.

[unique wigeon]

Your experience is not special, and we should not restrict a game of good content simply because some people couldn't handle a societal overreaction. If you don't like it/don't want it. Simply don't buy it if the opportunity arises. Simple

[midnight river]

You clearly didn't read my subsequent comments. I said that if they wanted to include it as an optional feature (e.g. DLC or something I can choose to turn off if it comes as a free update), that's fine. I know some people want to have the extra health care challenge in their cities.

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[unique wigeon]

You're right, I didn't. My focus was on you inferring it would be triggering. Knowing CO they see one snowflake say that and they take good content out of the game

[midnight river]

You're clearly not interested in trying to see other people's point of view, nor are you interested in respectful discourse. I'll be blocking you now.

[unique wigeon]

You haven't given your point of view to me lol. My issue was with what you said because of how it may influence CO.

Run away tho, I can see why the pandemic was hard for you

[daring birch]

Before asking for some DLCs, first they should solve the bugs the game has with the health system:
1.- In real life the mayor part of the citizens WALK to their closes health center, dont need an ambulance everytime they feel sick.
2.- You can have 5 medic centers in a kilometer, that some people will keep arguing about the bad health system you city has, while the health center will be empty
3.- There are no relation between their work, how the pollution is where they live or anything else on their lives, so the medical problems are just random.

[soft vessel]

Lol some snowflakes… you can't handle climate change being real

"good content"

Game is half baked on release?

The formulae for too soon is literally:
Number of deaths times two

Considering some people in the world don't even believe the pandemic is real or vaccines work, it might be beyond reasonable to attempt a paid DLC. Ask a modder.

The second is a DLC a mod or two might require it as a prerequisite for some flag or code, and that's just a mess.

The health system doesn't even work now.

Build a single helicopter and it stops sending ambulances

I have every health building with good coverage... Good tweets about health... Still not breaking 80% average. Think industrial areas want coverage but that's too much work. Especially since they haven't patched them "having too much land value" yet

You didn't necessarily need to give them health coverage, only their employees

You should get COVID a few more times in a country that has decided that the economy is more important than doing anything serious about it.

[fast stream]

why are you talking offtopic...

we dont need any heat debate in suggestion. we had to close Many post already

[soft vessel]

He's literally suggesting a "too soon" paid or free update /facepalm

Calling people snowflakes/facepalm

The formulae for too soon is literally:
Number of deaths times two

[vernal slate]

not sure what you are trying to say

[soft vessel]

Telling people are "not special" with their trauma of living through the pandemic (this is studied and the reason it isn't special is because it's widespread enough to cause widespread emotional distress, unfortunately, and death). Maybe you're the one that needs to be recommended to be downgraded out of mod? Or did you not read who or I was replying to? He's the one that escalated

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They should add an event that some infected patients may get in public and infects other before he/she's got in quarantine.

[soft vessel]

Obviously it's literally triggering some people <@&263636477647257600>

[vernal slate]

I am closing this thread because it appears none of the person(s) involved in it can remain civil.