raven forge
I'd like to see the option to add Christmas lights which I would add along the main shopping strips.
Other options could include decorations to create a China Town district and general advertising flags on lampposts that are often seen along main streets. Perhaps Pride flags, that sorta thing.
Ideally you could specify when they appear...so that China Town decs are permanent but Christmas lights are seasonal.
light birch
That would be amazing.
I'd love to make my city look like it's pride season
dreamy basin
I could see a Festivals DLC where you could set each festival as a Policy. The more you have, the more it costs the city, but it also attracts tourists, increases happiness, and helps local businesses out. I could see it being a district-related policy so you could have only certain neighborhoods celebrating.
harsh oak
pride isnt a festival but ok
harsh oak
That would be amazing.
I'd love to make my city look like it's pride season
thats not a season
unless ur talking abt national pride like patriotism
thats fine but we dont need real world issues in games ngl
light birch
thats not a season
Alot of the pride events happen during pride months, obviously not all, but I think one can call it a season.
harsh oak
im not a real one
its a month taken to celebrate peoples funky time in bed doesnt need a whole year
light birch
its a month taken to celebrate peoples funky time in bed doesnt need a whole yea...
You forget gender identity, pride isn't just about sexuality
It's a political protest for rights in the first place
harsh oak
im not going to continue with this as i have better things to do but i believe that pride isnt a season and aslo it should not be integrated into the game
harsh oak
It's a political protest for rights in the first place
u mean the civil rights movement because usally its just used as a month to celebrate the rainbow peeps
light birch
im not going to continue with this as i have better things to do but i believe t...
Okay, agree to disagree
light birch
u mean the civil rights movement because usally its just used as a month to cele...
I and every queer person I know mainly use it to protest
harsh oak
ok good to know u use it for the right thing
im not going to pull this convo any longer enjoy the rest of ur day or whatnot
light birch
Same, you too
raven forge
im not going to pull this convo any longer enjoy the rest of ur day or whatnot
No, come back....tell us more about why Pride shouldn't feature in the game as an option for those who'd like it there. Celebrating 'rainbow peeps' and their 'funky time in bed' - you chose to come here, pick out the one thing you don't like, and talk it down. If you don't like a game with 'real world issues' then go play another game - this one has car crashes, natural disasters, taxes, sewage.
harsh oak
It's not a real world issue
And I dont want to continue this argument I'm allowed to have opinions right?
U can too
Also pride doesn't equate in any way too natural disasters tf u on abt idk
Pride is a combination of people questioning their sexual identities, accepting different cultures and races and all the others in the mix
Natural disasters cost people their lives, level historical monuments, cause millions in property damage
U can't be comparing that to a festival abt the rainbow people.
Now leave it there I'm done with this post or what not
foggy totem
No, come back....tell us more about why Pride shouldn't feature in the game as a...
Holidays like Christmas are okay to add because its something that a majority celebrates and is a single holiday around a single subject. Pride however is a conglomerate of people coming together, however if you add a celebration for a specific peoples group then you would also need black history month, hispanic heritage month, asian pacific islander heritage month, etc. Add those but then someone’s going to get offended their ethnicity isnt celebrated in game (knowing this world someone might carry out a racism lawsuit though they probably wouldnt win) + this is a lot of content to add. Also Christmas isn’t as controversial as Pride month is
harsh oak
Exactly
light birch
Holidays like Christmas are okay to add because its something that a majority ce...
Prides not really controversial, there is just a tiny vocal minority against it.
Out of 3.6million people, well above 500.000 attended my cities pride event
Worldwide around 2.3 Billion people celebrate Christmas
(Not really a majority)
If we compare theese two numbers for example, which of course isn't that straight forward cause it's a city vs the world, but still, let's pretend.
Christmas isn't more important pride.
Since we are currently at around 10% queer people worldwide, and its set to rise, I'd argue pride, and making a statement for their rights, is much more important than Christmas.
Adding pride would probably just add cute rainbow street decorations and fancy parades, wouldn't that be great.
celest onyx
foggy totem
Prides not really controversial, there is just a tiny vocal minority against it....
Thats cherrypicking. I could say in return a small village somewheere of 3 people all celebrate christmas, therefore 100%. Also, nearly 2 billion alone are Islam, which is very harsh against Pride. Thats not factoring in the other religions that dislike it or the plain amount of people who just dont like it
Also, you say 10% of the population is queer therefore you should celebrate it but in the same time you say that Christmas is 2 billion (25%) and say thats not a majority. Not only are you wrong, because 80% of the worlds countries have Christmas as a national holiday, but if you argue we cant celebrate christmas then theres no way we could support pride in game
Also you voided my entire argument with months such as black history
Why is that?
light birch
Also, you say 10% of the population is queer therefore you should celebrate it b...
because i dont disagree with the argument about black history month,
Why not add multiple months that recognize the struggles of different marginalized groups.
i just disagree with the point that its hard to implement
light birch
Thats cherrypicking. I could say in return a small village somewheere of 3 peopl...
If islam is "vey harsh" again pride, so is christianity
i would say, especially in the western world, most problems of queer people can be blamed on christianity
light birch
Also, you say 10% of the population is queer therefore you should celebrate it b...
i also never said 10% of the population is gay, i said its queer, big difference
foggy totem
i just disagree with the point that its hard to implement
You cant deny someone will get unrealistically offended that their ethnicity/culture isnt represented in-game
light birch
You cant deny someone will get unrealistically offended that their ethnicity/cul...
its very unlikely to happen
foggy totem
i also never said 10% of the population is gay, i said its queer, big difference
I apologize for that but my argument still stands, queer or not
light birch
i still dont get why you are against pride month in cs2 tho
you could add fun rainbows everywhere
make the city more colorful
foggy totem
I’m not against it, but the idea is representing a small minority of people. There are updates thatd make everyone happy, not a small group
foggy totem
make the city more colorful
Rainbows are fun, sure, but again, not necessary
light birch
I’m not against it, but the idea is representing a small minority of people. The...
it would still mean alot to around 10% of players, thoose that usually dont get the represantation
foggy totem
it would still mean alot to around 10% of players, thoose that usually dont get ...
Then we should also have a celebration on the day the Soviet Union was formed as I’m sure atleast 10% of the players are communist who unironically support Stalin
Or a white heritage month because a good half or more of the fanbase is white, sure they would love it
light birch
Or a white heritage month because a good half or more of the fanbase is white, s...
eww, there is white heritage month?
foggy totem
eww, there is white heritage month?
Uh no, but why do you say ew?
light birch
what a terrible idea
foggy totem
Whats wrong with it?
Okay now imagine this, I say “ewww, theres a pride month?”
How so?
light birch
Okay now imagine this, I say “ewww, theres a pride month?”
have queer people as a group ever hurt anyone?? no
White people? Oh yeah, there are entire history degrees about it
light birch
Yeah I don’t think i would like having pride as it is controversial
what about pride is controversial
foggy totem
have queer people as a group ever hurt anyone?? no
White people? Oh yeah, there ...
Every racial group has hurt one another. None is inherintly bad or good. Besides, wanna bring up the queer school shooters?
Nobody is bad or good
cyan barn
what about pride is controversial
Because of religion
foggy totem
Youre letting a small minority taint a whole group, thats racism
Industrial revolution is the reason youre on your device arguing that white people are oppresive
light birch
Every racial group has hurt one another. None is inherintly bad or good. Besides...
wanna bring up a system that ostrachizes people until they potentially snap, or have one of the highest suicide rates ever?
Also 99% of schoolshooters are white cishet guys
light birch
Industrial revolution is the reason youre on your device arguing that white peop...
i know, but i can still see it as a bad thing
foggy totem
wanna bring up a system that ostrachizes people until they potentially snap, or ...
1st one, clairfy one that.
Last sentence, you proved my point.
light birch
also fun fact, most of the time the media talks about queer school shooters, its later proven they arent even queer, its fearmongering
foggy totem
What I did was use a small minority of the people comitting the crime and used that as an argument, which is exactly what you did when you said the whites were oppresive colonisers.
light birch
What I did was use a small minority of the people comitting the crime and used t...
well, just in my case its much more than a minority.
Everyone who doesnt speak up against rascism for example is guilty
foggy totem
My great grandfather served as a slave in Karelia when the Russian Empire was still a thing. He was white, is he still an oppresive coloniser?
So youre grouping people
Thats racism
light birch
Thats racism
no, saying white people have been historically opressive is not racist
foggy totem
no, saying white people have been historically opressive is not racist
So the Croations, Serbs, Gypsies, Romanians, Danish, Andorrans, Maltese, Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Austrian, Liechtenstienische, Swiss, Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian, Ukrainian, Moldovan, Sámi, Finnish, Sardinian, are all oppresive?
Because theres a ton more white ethnic groups I could name that had little to no history of being a free country
A quarter those on there were occupied for centuries by the ottoman turks
The Ottom turks of course, used many as slaves in their empire
Also not to mention it was a very small minority of British, Spanish, French, etc that actually colonised
The French for one, werent oppresive when they did, setting up trade routes and alliances with many of the American Indian tribes
But I can rant on and on about the warcrimes the Japanese commited, or the current persecution of people groups in China, etc
light birch
The French for one, werent oppresive when they did, setting up trade routes and ...
this is very much not true
i literally just watched a lecture on that a week ago
light birch
you are talking about specific cases
foggy totem
light birch
not how they tried to eradicate whole languages
foggy totem
you are talking about specific cases
And so are you
light birch
in places they colonized
well then dont make the general statement that they were not opressive
foggy totem
Who is they?
light birch
Who is they?
the french colonizers
foggy totem
Fair, a few people did some bad things
A whole people group did not
Can you understand that?
Also you voided a ton of other things I said
light birch
because i lack the historical knowledge about some nations to agree or deny them
foggy totem
Then you have no right to argue history
Because history is a conglomerate of actions by everyone, everwhere
light birch
ahh yeah, i need to know everything to argue history
because you defiently know everything
foggy totem
ahh yeah, i need to know everything to argue history
I never said that. You openly said you lack history knowledge
I will say, it is showing
light birch
about some of the nations you mentioned? yes
foggy totem
Glad to know Poland is irrelevant then
Same with Japan and China
Why didnt you learn about those countries? Not important to you?
light birch
you are constantly putting words in my mouth
this is not a healthy debate and thus im leaving it
foggy totem
because you defiently know everything
You did too
light birch
no point in arguing someone who twists my words
Anyways, pride decorations should definetly be added :3
foggy totem
voids my arguments
openly states not having proper knowledge of debate
puts words into my mouth
then victimizes themself when I ask a question, saying I put words in their mouth
ignores 3 wikipedia articles cited by hundreds of reputable sources
“ew white history month” a clear example of racism
light birch
> voids my arguments
> openly states not having proper knowledge of debate
> put...
not having proper knowledge?
because i dont know the history of sardinia???
light birch
you have put words in my mouth
when did i say i dont know about poland, or japan or china
i said i lack the historical knowledge about some nations
foggy totem
Then go respond to my point about Japan and China
light birch
But I can rant on and on about the warcrimes the Japanese commited, or the curre...
whats there to respond too?
i know about the japanese warcrimes and the chinese persecution
foggy totem
whats there to respond too?
The fact that near every group has had an oppresive background
light birch
i dont deny that point
But europeans where the ones that did it almost globally
foggy totem
Thats because of wallersteins world systems theory
One people group was going to do it globally, inevitably. If it was the Zulu or another historically oppresive group that managed, we’d be arguing about if they are good people
light birch
crazy how we got here, just because i said im against a white heritage month
foggy totem
Mhm
Anyways being against a peoples heritage month is undoubtely racist just so you know
light birch
i disagree
foggy totem
How so
light birch
imagine what a disrespect that would be to the people celebrating black history month, where its about the voices of opressed people
and then there is a white heritage month
white heritage doesnt need a specific month, because its everywhere anyways
meanwhile we should cherish and keep alive the history of opressed groups, that usually dont have their voices heard
foggy totem
Finns are white, have been historically oppressed, whats wrong with a white history month?
Same with the Polish
And Romanians
Could go on and on again
Besides, who are you to speak for minorities?
light birch
**Besides, who are you to speak for minorities?**
im just a queer disabled person
ooops, two big minorities
foggy totem
Okay? I’m gay, I have a boyfriend. I also have dissociative idenity disorder
Two minorites right there
So no, that doesnt matter
light birch
i dont get your point?
foggy totem
My point is that your sexuality and disability are not important in this
because you are speaking for ethnic minorities
light birch
*because you are speaking for ethnic minorities*
yes, because as a white person especially its important to speak up for thoose who cant??
whats wrong with that
ooops
nothing
light birch
Okay? I’m gay, I have a boyfriend. I also have dissociative idenity disorder
okay, this is very offtopic, but do you also want the mods to add pluralkit? i wanted to ask them about it
foggy totem
okay, this is very offtopic, but do you also want the mods to add pluralkit? i w...
Whats pluralkit exactly?
light birch
Whats pluralkit exactly?
its a discord bot for people with dissociative identity disorders which allows them to chat with different alters as different proxys.
Its really useful for me and my plural friends.
you should check it out
foggy totem
Ill check it out later
That sounds like an amazing idea
However my alternate has its own discord account (not in this server dont worry)
harsh oak
We don't need real life problems in this game
Sorry to the rainbow people and those who advocate for all rights and all matters but u gotta remember
the paradox universe
IS NOT EARTH
So it's not got the bullshit of real life
IT'S A CITY SIM NOT FUCKING TWITTER
Pride is less important then Christmas and accept that
Gosh damn people arguing abt genders and pride parades
And also why don't we just not have any months
Everyone happy
None of that Twitter bullshit I'm white and I don't need a month most of us just exist on this planet what happened is what happened u can't change the past
A
And festivals and parades ain't gonna do nothing
Also one last thing there are most definitely not 10% of the human population who are queer
More like 0.6%
💀
Pride arguments in a city sim keep to Twitter people we don't want this bullshit here
@surreal maple can u please shut down this post I have feeling some political shit is bouta go down
