EPISODE 1

[ebon lantern]

Well they all have their faults no doubt, but what we are seeing with this show is another level of killing an existing franchise

[wanton meteor]

Can you show me some kind of data that backs this up? Cause according to everything I can find it has only greatly helped the popularity and profitability of the franchise

[ebon lantern]

Of course not, but this show is really BAD about it

[distant glacier]

John Buzzwords himself

[jolly dust]

I know you're lying because you say decades. FONV has not been out for decades, meaning you liked FO prior to NV. None of the FO games are 100% perfectly consistent with themselves, much less with each other. So you can't have meant that since you can't like something that does that

[distant glacier]

I mean, so was Game of Thrones, but you said you liked it

[wanton meteor]

It’s better than GoT 💀

[untold socket]

Yeah it was pretty good - I am genuinely the most curious about the Brotherhood Civil War - actually in between discussions I was reading that Maxson DID INDEED absorb other Brotherhood chapters into the Capital Wasteland - not all but some, so that could/would explain why his Chapter is also the current largest.

[short merlin]

fallout 1 came out 28 years ago.

[shy viper]

Fr that’s what I said. This show made people want to play the games and learn about the lore more. One of my high school teachers started to play fallout because of it

[jolly dust]

This is the silliest and most nonsensical take possible lol I;m not sure why you get off on just straight up lying but sure, go for it

[distant glacier]

“Fallout show is bad because unfaithful to source material” to “why yes i enjoy the game of thrones show” (which definitely did not have major issues following the books whatsoever)

What an occurrence

[short merlin]

@ebon lantern @jolly dust how about you both step away + drop the topic instead, you two going at eachother isnt going to resolve anything

go play fallout or watch fallout instead, etc.

[jolly dust]

(shhh those in the cult of NV, they don't know there's books)

[wanton meteor]

Fallout, literally referred to as the best adaptations ever if not just shows in general when it came it and bro said “season one, terrible adaptation, everything about it, it’s terrible”

[shy viper]

The show isn’t unwatchable it’s still a fun watch even though it has many problems

Just like the twisted metal show

[gentle star]

Like how Vault 13 moved between Fallout 1 and 2, so it's always been inconsistent. Regardless, I can't wait for some Brotherhood stuff next episode, I was surprised that there was nothing with Maximus at all.

[shy viper]

Yeah I was surprised we didn’t see Maximus our favorite autistic knight

[distant glacier]

Fallout is super inconsistent, almost as bad as elder scrolls

[wanton meteor]

Are we comparing Fallout to twisted metal or GoT?? Either is a crazy thing to do lowkey

[untold socket]

It would be crazy if they showed Maximus, but I have to assume, like what he did in the Commonwealth - he sent a force ahead of him, before his arrival.

[shy viper]

Well we were comparing it to adaptations

[ebon lantern]

Yes... so far they've done the following...

• Revealed who dropped the bombs (decades of mystery/speculation killed in an instant)
• Made it so civilization can't ever get past a certain point
• Changed who the damn Vault Boy is
• Made 2 of the 4 endings to Fallout 4 no longer possible, killing player choice
• Made 3 of the 4 endings to New Vegas no longer possible, killing player choice
• Next game is 15 years away, so we're stuck with less player choice in existing games

That's just off the top of my head, all of these are franchise killers

[ebon lantern]

Really? A mod got called in for someone having a different opinion? Wow!

[distant glacier]

The pick and choose is why his opinion is invalid to me, despite the rage bait. He said he likes game of thrones but hates the fallout show for inconsistency which got arguably is the most famous example of being bad about sticking to lore consistently

[shy viper]

I read the first point and there’s already an error there it still isn’t confirmed vault tec or Mr house dropped the bombs

[ebon lantern]

If House dropped the bombs it makes no sense, why would the chip be late huh?

[distant glacier]

The show literally hadnt stated that he did that

[short merlin]

no, im just telling you that you two are arguing over a difference of opinions, it isnt going to lead anywhere positive, so why bother? lol

[ebon lantern]

Vault Tec did

[sweet stag]

Vault Tec had the intent to drop the bombs. But i think China did that before they had the opportunity

[shy viper]

We still don’t even know who actually initiated the Great War it’s all still hearsay

[ebon lantern]

Is voicing my opinion against the rules?

[wanton meteor]

1. Point 2 is how fallout has been forever
2. There never was a canon explanation for who vault boy “was”
3. There has been no confirmation on who dropped the bombs yet, try paying attention
4. No endings have been killed yet, please try paying attention and using critical thinking

[distant glacier]

The pineapple curry vs ai slop hot sauce ragebaiter, a war to remember

[untold socket]

I mentioned it earlier, we don't know if he did or didn't. Moldaver ASSUMED he did. She has no proof, it's literally just her saying this. Even with Vault Tec, they had the INTENTION to drop the bombs, they SUGGESTED they can. But they didn't show that's what they DID. Remember Show, not tell - so far they've only told us stuff. We haven't gotten a confirmation on a lot, yet.

[ebon lantern]

speculation, the show makes it rather clear I'd say

[shy viper]

You can voice your opinion but it’s not gonna change anything

[gentle star]

Good thing House didn't drop the bombs, Moldaver has seemingly mistook his missile defense system to protect Vegas for nuclear bombs lol

[untold socket]

This.

[short merlin]

what gave you that impression?

i said that arguing with someone else over opinion doesnt lead to anything positive

[distant glacier]

Cooper even backs this up i recall, says something about missiles being shot down just like ingame

[sweet stag]

Show didn't explicitly say that. They only implied it and like i said, its entirely possible China got the jump

[shy viper]

I didn’t expect Kumali to play a brotherhood lancer

[ebon lantern]

Literally incorrect, the showrunners have made it so the universe can never evolve beyond wooden shacks
Yet there is no because what?
They spelled it out for us
Prydwen exists - Insitute and Railroad disqualified. House on the screen in the Lucky 38, Yes Man, NCR and Legion DQ'd. Try again

[ebon lantern]

I'm not arguing, simply stating my opinion

[distant glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-upset-facepalm-gif-13908817

[shy viper]

You do realize in a game with player choice some endings have to be cannon no matter what

[short merlin]

...

none of the endings we can play through are ever canon.

[distant glacier]

Fallout fans suddenly having a problem with canon endings despite the earlier games having canon outcomes

[untold socket]

I think what keeps happening is that people keep assuming that what's said in the show is new lore - when it's just perspective of charatcers present. Moldaver isn't the Courier, so she didn't get the context the Courier would have - where Mr House explains he had his security system to defend against the bombs. I don't think Mr House was in league fully with Vault Tec anyway.

[short merlin]

we all play alternative outcomes of whatever canon bethesda decides to make canon.

[shy viper]

Exactly lol

[ebon lantern]

Not if you don't set them in the same location as a previous entry. They could've waited until Fallout 5 to make Fallout 4 endings canonical, give us a new set of fresh choices. But nope, 15 more years til we can get a game with more than 1 or 2 options in existing games.

[gentle star]

Every Fallout gets a canon ending, it's nothing new. You didn't side with the Master in Fallout 1, you didn't fail to get the GECK in Fallout 2, and you didn't join Eden in Fallout 3, all of these are 'removing player choice' but things have to have determined endings to continue.

[short merlin]

you cant do a "canon" playthrough of any fallout game, mainly due to how the bethesda canon is handled in future installations, nothing is canon unless referred to, and even then they leave it ambigious for obvious reasons.

[ebon lantern]

The ending of Fallout 3 says hello (ask Danse about it)

[shy viper]

Dude even in fallout one your telling me that the steel plague ending is still possible

[short merlin]

the canon we do know, as an example, between 3 and NV we know that moira finished her wasteland survival guide, we dont know who helped her, its never mentioned.

We know that project purity was completed, but we don't know who finished it or how, because its not referred to.

[distant glacier]

Some things are explicitly canon ofc to advance the story, such as the chosen one nuking the rig and the masters army getting merked,

[worn ruin]

In an unpatched version of F1 the Followers of the Apocalypse will never survive, New Vegas rendered every unpatch F1 playthough non-canon by virtue of that

[short merlin]

we dont know what genders the playable characters have (aside from fo1 protag having multiple children, so ambigious there aswell)

[ebon lantern]

This is the point. They didn't have to refer to things which canonizes things. The existence of The Prydwen wipes two endings out for Fallout 4, the existence of House on the Lucky 38 makes 3 of the 4 endings impossible.

[short merlin]

because bethesda doesnt make those bits canon, because it doesnt matter

so, tl/dr: there are no playable canon endings thats part of the bethesda canon, we all play alternative playthroughs, what-ifs of what can happen in the world

whatever does happen in the world is up to bethesda, the latest installation always has canon priority for that reason.

[distant glacier]

End of the day, who gives a fuck, other games like Elder scrolls get to have canon endings so why not fallout (which already has broad canon aspects)

[solid moss]

Because fallout fans exist

[distant glacier]

Lol fair point

[short merlin]

this is what the bethesda canon is, yes, if its referred to in later game installations, we can assume it did happen in the world lore.

[wanton meteor]

House on screen doesn’t mean anything if you think for more than 5 seconds. Could be an AI recreation of House, could be a prerecorded message, could be anything. The minutemen is the most popular ending, thus the most likely canon ending and don’t need to kill the BOS in most endings, BOS is the second most popular… all that really needs to be said, could be, and hear me out hear here, since we know DC is a major BOS stronghold they rebuilt after losing

[ebon lantern]

People who care about Fallout and their choices mattering

[distant glacier]

Indeed

[short merlin]

that being said - any side quest, any choice you made as a player is moot when it comes to the bethesda canon, you arent the main character in the bethesda canon.

[ebon lantern]

Speculation

[short merlin]

nor will you ever be, because players dont make the canon, the IP owners do

[distant glacier]

Lmao yup

[shy viper]

Yeah good point

[untold socket]

True words have never been said.

[wanton meteor]

You’re speculating by saying stuff is disproven

[shy viper]

The ip owners decide what really happens in the lore

[short merlin]

#1447298641243930836 message
#1447298641243930836 message

I'd kindly ask you to read those two comments so you understand how the bethesda canon works

[solid moss]

Hmm
So WHAT YOU SAYING IS
I should own the fallout so i can make my story canon
Alright i know what company ill accuire

[short merlin]

x and y endings are not canon, certain world events are canon if bethesda deems them so

[untold socket]

Or you can just headcanon it like most people.

[distant glacier]

Sirwingies fuming out his ears after realizing the fallout 1 good ending is canon (fallout ruined forever)

[ebon lantern]

The point is they shouldn't of made 2 of the 4 Fallout 4 endings impossible 15ish years before the next Fallout. They shouldn't of made 3 of the 4 endings for New Vegas impossible 15ish years before the next Fallout. Where we'd have a new slew of choices to make which could happen.

[shy viper]

Yeah if you own zenimax and in then BGS you decide what really happens and doesn’t happen in the universe

[short merlin]

now i want matthew mconogneohhew to be the canon courier character lmao

[wanton meteor]

@ebon lantern you could just write your fan fiction personally. No one will hate you for it

[ebon lantern]

I'm saying they should've waited until a new Fallout game released

[distant glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/true-detective-matthew-mcconaughey-gif-9498366416159400894

[ebon lantern]

fanfiction isn't canonical

[solid moss]

So in 30 years
Yeah no thanks
Ill wait for show

[short merlin]

they didnt though, you are the one claiming that they did.

the showrunners even got told to not make any ending canon, for obvious reasons, the show is bethesdas playthrough of the fallout verse, not yours.

the canon is what they decide

[shy viper]

You can’t make game sequels with every ending being possible

[ebon lantern]

Yeah exactly, don't take away possible endings to choose when a new game is still so far away

[short merlin]

neither is our playthroughs.

[wanton meteor]

They aren’t impossible, if they built the prydwyn themselves in the first place why couldn’t they build themselves a new one decades later with more people and more resources

[distant glacier]

Fallout 1s good ending is explicitly canon to advance the other games, which means players choice in the bad ending is noncanon. What say you?

[short merlin]

thats why the later installations only mention certain world events and dont hint at which endings or choices players made.

[untold socket]

Especially if it's confirmed that Maxson had the manpower to do it.

[ebon lantern]

They can spew whatever nonsense they want, House can only exist in the Lucky 38 if he won. Bottom line, end of story. Fact.

[solid moss]

No
Sometimes there has to be a canon ending
If the story here is gonna involve the east coast bos
Then you cant have the railraod ending to be canon

[ebon lantern]

Well now we have fewer options

[distant glacier]

So basically this dudes complaining about set endings which has been a thing since fallout 1

[ebon lantern]

Then wait til the next game to tell that story

[untold socket]

or he's been ragebaiting, and we've all been falling for it.

[wanton meteor]

Fallout 3’s good ending is also completely canon according to all evidence atleast to my knowledge

[shy viper]

Bro thinks the sequels could exist if unity victory happens

[worn ruin]

It was the body double and not the real House

[distant glacier]

Chosen endings have been here since the literal first game of the franchise and he has a problem about it in the show lmao

[ebon lantern]

Nope, clearly you missed the point. Don't make a set ending taking away player choice when you have nothing new for us to choose from for the nexy decade plus

[distant glacier]

He is, look at his profile lmao

[wanton meteor]

🫩

[distant glacier]

My brother in atom, Fallout 2.

[ebon lantern]

What's wrong with my profile?

[solid moss]

Man
Im so unhappy that fallout 2 ending is canon
I wanna die so i can serve to the enclave

Reminder, there only 1 ending in fo2

[distant glacier]

Lmao

[short merlin]

they arent spewing nonsense, they decide the canon, you are disagreeing with the established world events of the franchise because you dont like it, whining about it isnt going to make it less so at this point.

You obviously love the games - so does most of us (dont ask if someone likes 3 or nv more though at the thanksgivign table) and thats fine, being passionate can be a good thing.

But at the moment you are pretty much complaining that the bethesda canon isnt your canon and that ruins the entire thing, there isnt any point to that.

You can still replay and enjoy the games absolutely the same, modded or not, but you have to accept the fact that what you like and dislike has no baring on the franchise/bethesda canon that they establish.

It's the same type of stuff that no mutants allowed rioted against when fo2/fo3/fonv/fo4/fo76 came out.

It doesnt result in anything positive.

[untold socket]

I pray one day we get to have a proper Enclave Ending. 😔

[distant glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-496833742737182965

[ebon lantern]

This is fine, because we had new entries to play with possible choices. Now the 2 games we currently had free to make our own choices are gone because of this show

[wanton meteor]

They’d have to make the enclave a bit less just generically evil

[shy viper]

By this guys logic he thinks every ending should be possible to prevent elimination of player choice but if that was the case the stories in the next games wouldn’t be possible

[solid moss]

There still choices???

[worn ruin]

that was always going to happen eventually

[short merlin]

either way,

we've hit the point where people are more talking about the games rather than this shows first episode

[ebon lantern]

They made it so we have less player choice than ever before. This is a problem.

[short merlin]

steer the topic to #1447295973129978058 before sergeant topic has to move posts.

[solid moss]

SO ANYWAYS
Your thoughts on the brain chip?

[distant glacier]

Indeed, im looking forward to the brotherhoods civil war stuff

[untold socket]

Nah, we've had generically, and just abhorrently evil choices before in Fallout, they should just invest in enabling us to join them properly, for once. I mean using the virus in purity is evil enough.

[short merlin]

i havent had time to watch the episode yet

[ebon lantern]

Yeah... I'm done anyway. I've had enough of the insanity for one night

[untold socket]

I'm wondering if it was research tied to the collars, tbh.

[ebon lantern]

dumb af

[short merlin]

indeed, thank you for understanding, good night

[solid moss]

Goodnight and goodluck

[shy viper]

Fallout 1 steel plague ending is not possible, perfect vault ending is not possible, unity victory is not possible,

[shy viper]

Dying light reference

[short merlin]

im not heading to bed its 8.40am

[distant glacier]

Too much ragebait for one night, in other news, they nailed that fucking car explosion at novac lmao

[solid moss]

then watch epsiode

[shy viper]

Facts

[wanton meteor]

I can’t even think of a game franchise with several entries that doesn’t need to eventually confirm canon endings

[short merlin]

cant, im doing work stuff

[untold socket]

That was my first question at least -

It seemed like a more powerful and potentially smaller version of the slave collars. They had the seemingly same effect, with the chip being able to potentially control someone.

[solid moss]

Youre cahtting in discord?
You clearly have time to watch the show and do work at the same time

[shy viper]

That was what I was trying to explain but we done with that whole bs

I just want to see who comes out on top Quintius Chapter or Maxsons eastern brotherhood I knew this was bound to happen one day I didn’t expect it to be in a show though

[jolly dust]

There's definitely a difference from being able to chat online and actively watch/listen to a show for lots of different jobs tbh

[solid moss]

Fair enough

[untold socket]

It's gonna be Maxson's, I doubt - highly doubt it'll be Quintus.

[shy viper]

I feel like the conflict would carry on to s3 though

[jolly dust]

That's one of those moments where I'm like "yeah, they played the game" lol

[worn ruin]

Oh no! Fallout 4 has disappeared from my steam library because a TV show made 2 endings non-canon!

[shy viper]

True and they probably still have liberty prime

[solid moss]

Honestly
I was so cuaght off guard by that car explosions because yeah
That not something you expect them to do if you havent played the game

[untold socket]

Maxson's brotherhood is not only tied heavily into 3, and 4 - but they have such a heavy arsenal in comparison.

[solid moss]

But if you play the game
Oh those cars love to explode

[worn ruin]

Bethesda are sending armed thugs to take away my copy of New Vegas for the Xbox 360 because they made some of endings non-canon, send help!

[jolly dust]

A show will certainly be a more epic portrayal of it than...whatever any of Bethesda's engines could render out

[untold socket]

Those cars are a menace on Hardcore, though.

[distant glacier]

Maxsons brotherhood pretty much nodiffs the west brotherhood with the crazy stuff they have

[shy viper]

The only way I see Quintius chapter winning is if they weapon is cold fusion

[untold socket]

agreed, esp cause im confident - all 4 of those airships that show up are from Maxson's. And I'll bet any money the one that got shot down i Quin's.

[gentle star]

Cooper healing his wound with a fusion core was badass though. Shame he tossed it, that thing is worth some Caps.

[solid moss]

Well you se.
Game crashed

[untold socket]

I know some people disliked the expansion of ghoul lore and abilities, but it's refreshing to see them fleshed out, and do unique things like that.

[shy viper]

Exactly even when fallout 5 comes out in 2036 I still don’t think even with the tech Bethesda will be able to truly represent the scale

[jolly dust]

Like, multiple of the main people working on it have made it quite clear that they do play the games, including Nolan, so it shouldn't really be a surprise. But it's still nice when those nods (or fan service, if you will) clearly come from a place of someone being in that space for real

[solid moss]

I am more suprised he didnt keep it
Would allow him to keep healing from it

[jolly dust]

I thought that was dope

[shy viper]

I think it’s cool though and still entirely feasible

[solid moss]

Honestly
I appreciate them doing that because the ghoul was bascially just a zombie sentient human

[shy viper]

Because mutations can’t be exactly the same across all people just like how it depends on the type of fev one gets exposed to

[calm raven]

That was WILD

[solid moss]

There was nothing that made ghouls truly stand out beside not having to eat, drink or age and sometimes have go feral
But the show clearly shows the ghouls can do thing normal people cant do

[solid moss]

Yes
It was wild

[calm raven]

Flea soup bit had me cackling

[untold socket]

Here's to hoping that playable ghouls will be in the next Fallout without it being a mod, lol

[shy viper]

Hopefully

[untold socket]

Cause it would be nice for the world to react to your character potentially being that, as well

[solid moss]

Well it does exist in 76 i think?

[calm raven]

I gotta say, I like that they're bringing in some new and very interesting stuff we've never seen before

Mind control chips?!

[jolly dust]

Given that they uh tried to put in in FO76 already and the show, I have a very hard time imagining that the next mainline title won't have proper ghoul player character options

[untold socket]

Yes, I more so meant in like Fallout 5, a more RPG take on it would be nice.

[shy viper]

I hope we can also get player controlled vertibirds with no mods

[worn ruin]

Not sure it's been mentioned but the name of the woman who asks Lucy who she is looking for is shown if you have captions during the "this season of fallout" segment

[solid moss]

Yeah
I still dont know what the hell it is but it does control people
And often blows their heads up like a balloon

And hank is somehow working with mr house and now i just have questions

[jolly dust]

||what was it? ||

[calm raven]

It reminded me of the bomb collars, except you still have free will with those. You just know the immediate consequence of disobeying

[gentle star]

I think there's a theory that those mind control chips are related to the Mesmetron from Fallout 3, they kinda do something similar.

[solid moss]

The brain chip however is horrifying literally
Its so clear you dont have free will and are forced to comply
The head exploding is clearly not intentional

[jolly dust]

I'm curious to see how that ends up fully panning out. I think maybe the biggest question mark for character motivation right now is Hank. Like, what is it he actually wants? What's motivating him, who's he working for?

[calm raven]

I guess I didn't pay attention to that but that promo at the end had some real interesting stuff that wasn't in the trailers

[untold socket]

Yeah I mentioned earlier that they seem to be an offshoot of what we know as slave collars. But the chip controls you, and has the same effect of blowing your head off.

[calm raven]

"The Commonwealth is gonna kill us all" for one

[solid moss]

Well clearly he is some kind of double agent
Working with mr house and infinitrating vault tec

[untold socket]

That's in reference to the Brotherhood Civil war.

[jolly dust]

Yeah, that full-season teaser at the end had a lot of new clips

[shy viper]

Quintius gonna refuse to hand over the cold fusion to the clerics in the east

[calm raven]

Yeah I gathered that, but didn't know the Commonwealth chapter was gonna be involved

Although it makes sense given Quintus' whole plan to rule the Brotherhood

[untold socket]

Ah fair, yeah I assumed they would when it was confirmed a little bit that Quin was speaking to the Commonwealth chapter.

[shy viper]

They are already mentioned in season one some of knights and I’m pretty sure the airship is from the commonwealth

[jolly dust]

The main question though is his main focus House's goals, Vault-Tec's, his own, or some additional player (Enclave...?) that could also be behind the scenes

[shy viper]

The fact the enclave is still around baffles me

[solid moss]

Would you not be suprised?

[calm raven]

I remember the Commonwealth being mentioned in the first season, I guess they held the highest authority across all the brotherhood chapters

[untold socket]

I'm not - i would like to see them rebuild and actually be a decent force to rival the Brotherhood.

[jolly dust]

I'd have to watch that clip again of Hank calling at the end, but that didn't feel like a clear "I'm here to accomplish your goals sir!" message. There's some potential there for more

[solid moss]

You have a faction who often hides themselves from the world and very few know of their existance
Yeah it makes sense for them to be back
And they are rememndants of pre-war government which means there obviously more of them

[untold socket]

Yes, Maxson is dubbed the Supreme Leader(Or Supreme Commander?) of the Brotherhood. And has had several other Chapters integrated into the Capital Wasteland one.

[solid moss]

Also
We not even sure if it 100% house

No body respond
We are just assuming it house
It can literally be anyone

Although i do believe its house

[shy viper]

I wonder who Hank is reporting to

[untold socket]

House is a safe assumption, i think that's why we all assumed it.

[calm raven]

Speaking of House, there was a LOT to unpack about him this episode

[jolly dust]

Exactly. It's definitely framed to be House based on some of what he said, but they definitely left it open to interpretation on purpose

[solid moss]

Oh yeah
He is a pyscopath for starters

[jolly dust]

haha you don't say

[shy viper]

We think he’s using a body double for public appearances and board meetings

[calm raven]

And we know that he didn't just "change actors", he's got a body double apparently

[solid moss]

Yes

[untold socket]

I do wanna point out, man I hope that Anchorage flashback is good. Especially cause it's at Nighttime. Lol

[solid moss]

Now they can do a lot of things with that

[shy viper]

Yeah maybe we will get to see some t51 there

[jolly dust]

I'm already ready to riot if it doesn't look/feel authentically like Anchorage

[solid moss]

Im more interested on what truly was vault 24 experiment

[untold socket]

Coop was in t45 in it, so i hope we see some t51

[solid moss]

American turning into communists?
The heck was the end goal?

[calm raven]

Which begs the question of whether or not we're dealing with the real House in FNV

[solid moss]

Oh no
Not this argument again

[untold socket]

Tied to the brain-chip, I imagine they wanted to see to the full extent of how long or how much they can control someone.

[shy viper]

Public paranoia to maybe get people to sign up for vaults and get experimented on

[jolly dust]

It would be sick to get a really gritty, nighttime, dramatic war scene in the Anchorage flashback

[calm raven]

I guess I've missed whatever major arguments went down here the last few hours lol

[jolly dust]

I mean...what was the end goal of most of the Vaults besides some sick experiments

[untold socket]

Agreed, it adds more context to Coop's statement in season 1 about the t60 having a flaw - also cause he's not wearing it, I'll go out on a limb and assume he saw some people get hit in that specific spot in t60s and die.

[solid moss]

Before it was to make scenroio for space ship to escape to antoher habitable planet
But i think that no longer the canon approach

[shy viper]

Well the original creator Tim Cain said they were intended to try to determine human conditions for a deep space generational starship

[calm raven]

Honestly, while I think some vault experiments might've actually been useful information to Vault-Tec, I think some of them are just for funsies for the sociopaths in the company to see what would happen

[untold socket]

Information, really - It's the typically moral questioning of not questioning if we COULD, but if we SHOULD. TL;DR - should was never considered, lol

[jolly dust]

Though logically it's pretty reasonable if the point was generally "can we manage to turn someone into the thing that we spent a lifetime deeply fearing and hating into that exact thing" . Like if you can do that, what can't you do?

[shy viper]

Which is why we see experiments involving cryo, resource deprivation, gender disparity, multicultural vaults, political vaults, vaults about growing food etc

[jolly dust]

And pulling from exaggerated real-world red scare propaganda, but obviously amped up in this work...that's a pretty intense experiment imo

[solid moss]

To be fair
I think this one is a benefit
But not to vault tec but to house
To get results on the brain chip and experiment with it

[calm raven]

Here's to me thinking that was vault 22 in the trailer, but it's actually a new one we've never heard of

[untold socket]

they were just chucking vault experiment ideas at the end of that meeting in season 1, lol and we know some of those stuck.

[jolly dust]

Or of course, alternatively, it's just a method of forcibly learning a new language in a hostile environment lolol

[solid moss]

But obviously the question is this
Why the heck did house invest the brain chip?
Especially since he claims that in new vegas, he has no busy ruling over people

[calm raven]

It would check out considering House was in the meeting (or at least tuned into it)

[jolly dust]

Yeah, that's how it felt too. The reaction shot of him with the helmet open seems like he's seeing something scarring

[shy viper]

I don’t really know what the purpose of vault tec experiments is in the bgs lore but in the og it was to optimize conditions for a deep space generational starship that would go to another planet

[solid moss]

And gaining some of vault tec resources
Not something he would pass up

[eager temple]

Ayo

[untold socket]

This, people keep missing this - I'm calling it, House is taking advantage of his position with Vault Tec. I don't think he's actually in league with him. House is extremely particular, I imagine he'd take any advantage he can get and use it against his competitors, which he would obviously view Vault Tec as.

[jolly dust]

Notice how the actor is ever so sublty pointing their fingers towards their junk as a real show of dominance

[solid moss]

Especially since vault-tec calmly says that they dropping a nuke themselves so he know vault tec is a serious issue

[shy viper]

House always has had his own agenda

[jolly dust]

So I do have two main questions after having thought about the episode a bit more

[untold socket]

Exactly. It's why I think he's playing their side for his advantage - he has his own Agenda without question.
Which would explain a lot as to how Vegas survived in the first place - and it adds context to how he was able to calculate the DAY OF the bombs dropping. He had so much information to work off of having insider knowledge.

[solid moss]

And assuming hank is that person
That means he already has insider info on vault tec
Jeez, if that is true
House earns the right for his ego cause he was already ready before anyone else

[jolly dust]

1 - any additional thoughts on who the man in the shadows is after this ep? Like the scene obviously replayed, and it felt slightly, contextually, like it was okay with us thinking it was the real house but....that's kind of silly. Also the silhouette doesn't look much like him.

I know the enclave or the president was thrown around back when S1 came out...any additional speculation based on S2E1?

[untold socket]

Thinking about it - House always has Agents under his thumb. He talks about it often, Benny, the Courier(if you side with him), RepCon, etc etc. It is not far-fetched to assume that he'd have his influence in Vault-Tec, not just being at the top - but being at the lower level with Hank, too. If we're assuming Hank is speaking to Mr House.

[worn ruin]

If Hank working for House is a red herring i'm guessing the person he's actually talking to will be a character in the pre-war Vegas scenes

[untold socket]

It's hard to tell honestly, I'd have to go back and look at it to get a better idea.

[calm raven]

I thought it was Doctor Braun when I first watched season 1, but it seems a lot more implied that it's the real House

[solid moss]

Hmm
Yep i know who it is

[jolly dust]

It def feels implied to be the real House but like.......that doesn't look like him at all to me lol

[untold socket]

My first jump was Enclave, but idk.

[solid moss]

Enclave is the most logical one

[worn ruin]

?

[untold socket]

It would have to be someone Barbara is somewhat fearful of?

[solid moss]

Why would house be there but house is also down there

[jolly dust]

He got a second body double to attend that meeting from in the shadows 😂

[untold socket]

Cause look at Barb's expression.

[jolly dust]

Yeah, that's why it doesn't make much sense

[untold socket]

She's like, "Shit if i don't turn this meeting around in some way to benefit us..."

[worn ruin]

Barb was the one who looked up, if it was supposed to be the real House it would be the double who looked up

[calm raven]

What if his body double is actually Anthony House?

[jolly dust]

Who is it you do think it is?

[short merlin]

SYNTHS

[solid moss]

wait maybe the ceo of vault tec?

[worn ruin]

I feel the Legate's armor didn't translate too well into live action

[jolly dust]

It's DIMA

[eager temple]

Short King Legate

[solid moss]

NICK VALENTINE

[untold socket]

We've never seen the CEO. I think we've only seen right below the CEO. Which was Assistant CEO - Wolstencroft.

Cause remember in 76, Hugo was also confirmed to be Board of Director of Vault Tec. But i doubt that's him.

[solid moss]

Yeah so
The CEO would 100% know what they are doing and this is the type of meeting that the ceo needs to be informed of

[calm raven]

That's another big question, where the hell is this giant vault command center?

[untold socket]

It could be Giles Wolstencroft.

[worn ruin]

Vault Tec CEO feels too basic for who it could be, gives more enclave vibes imo

[solid moss]

Underground?

[calm raven]

I know the running theory is that it's the sealed section of Vault 21

[jolly dust]

Omg please

[untold socket]

Yeah, man in the shadows is like 100% enclave schtick it's why my initial gut reaction is that.

[worn ruin]

Think its the sub-levels of the Lucky 38, the Securitron Bunker uses Vault architecture

[untold socket]

Correct.

[eager temple]

Imagine living in Vault 24 and they be turning you into communist

[untold socket]

FORCIBLY.

[solid moss]

Those commie BASTARDS!

[calm raven]

Also, this miniaturization experiment is very interesting

[worn ruin]

also retroactively gives more reason why House filled Vault 21 with concrete, It's implied the sub-levels of the casinos, vault 21 and the lucky 38 connect to eachother

[solid moss]

How so?
They made it smaller

Wait that is interesting
Why making it smaller?

[calm raven]

Exactly, there are so many possibilities with that kind of technology

[solid moss]

Yeah but this bring up to my other question

Why did house in the first place invented this tech?

[calm raven]

Would've been more useful in the pre-war days so they could miniaturize themselves and sneak into enemy bases or some shit

[untold socket]

Because he can, unfortunately - it's not a satisfying answer. But for information, and the ability too. Lol

[jolly dust]

I just rewatched the part of Hank talking on the radio at the end...it's such a weird tone. The opening is very like, "yes, reporting for duty" and flattering. Then it's like, mission report of the various pieces of tech, then the end is pivoting to try and show himself as strong and necessary in a way that feels at odds with the rest of it.

[untold socket]

he says promotion which makes me think it's house, but idk it's so weird.

[solid moss]

Its why everyone is assuing he either working for house or the enclave

But neither options makes sense

[jolly dust]

It would be, in my opion, near impossible for that message to be sent to anyone OTHER than House. Which I guess then makes that scene mostly confirmation that Hank is indeed working for House?

[worn ruin]

Honestly the "reporting for duty sir" felt very... non corporate? for it to be House at least. IDK if that's a normal thing in company culture

[eager temple]

I swear he was talking to that dude in S1... That dude in the shadow...

[solid moss]

Yes but why would house want to, assuming cause this is a big one, want the brain chip in a post war setting

[untold socket]

Yeah, it's like i said earlier it would explain how House had so much pull with Vault Tec and knowledge of Vault Tec, he had Hank(and others assumedly) working for him and feeding him information.

[jolly dust]

Which just begs the question...who dat lol

[untold socket]

This is my second guess.

[eager temple]

Maybe a new character?

[jolly dust]

Yeah, I think that's the most straightforward answer

[jolly dust]

I think without knowing more of House's plans in the context of the show we won't know why he'd want that

[neon heath]

its soooo gooood

[untold socket]

If it's not House it's gotta be whoever the guy in the shadows. But it's either Giles Wolstencroft, Assistant CEO - or the actual CEO of Vault Tec which hasn't been revealed. Which would be a new character entirely.

[worn ruin]

They've also shown Hank is some kind of mad scientist which feels at odds with "Executive assistant", he also knows how to operate Power Armor well enough to trek to the Mojave,

[solid moss]

Its can be be both house and enclave or none of them
"Reporting for duty sir" is not something you wouldnt say to house
"Promation" is not something you wouldnt say to the enclave

[jolly dust]

It's soooo framed to be House it would be very weird to be enclave

[eager temple]

I think it's some kind of Vault Tec big boss?

[solid moss]

He also skilled so he clearly some sort of agent

[worn ruin]

At the same time he also isn't talking to someone in New Vegas judging by how he talks about it

[neon heath]

so did the BOS won in commonwealth? from what Dane said to Maximus?

[worn ruin]

House not being in New Vegas would be odd

[jolly dust]

He mentions "your old stomping grounds" in regards to vegas, and how he imagines they'll be alive because of all their contingency planning, which is the house thing.

[untold socket]

No but he says "Your old stomping grounds." when talking about Vegas.

[untold socket]

Yeah that's what makes me think it's House, but idk it's so weird. Lol

[jolly dust]

Also the premise is reporting specifically on these chips and making progress with them, and they're directly tied to what House was working with in the opening scene

[solid moss]

I believe it house personally but it bring up the question of what does house want with these chips???

[jolly dust]

Like, it HAS to be house., yeah? Maybe we're just reading too much into this lol

[untold socket]

Brotherhood of Steel is alive and well in the Commonwealth, yes. It's safe to assume either BoS ending, or Minuteman Ending with BoS assistance is canon, either or.

[solid moss]

To be fair
They didnt make it bloody clear

[jolly dust]

True. But it's also supposd to be a cliffhanger on purpose lol

[solid moss]

Heck are we even sure house made the brain chips, he could just idk doing field practice with it?

[worn ruin]

Yeah but I also feel House would talk to him through his terminal, which we clearly see him using later in the trailer

[jolly dust]

We're falling right into their trap of talking about the cliffhanger 'what if'

[untold socket]

I expect a twist, because House having a decoy is not only amazing, but so out of left field, too but it fits well with his character. Lol So it could be very obvious, or a new twist entirely.

If it's House, it makes sense, if it's not House it can still make sense.

[jolly dust]

Also true

[eager temple]

It's weird how that hidden Vault Tec headquarters look too clean. Like, there's noone there to clean the mess

[neon heath]

damnnn, so is there a chance we'll see Maxson?

[solid moss]

Its like hank is meant to do this?

Maybe that was the goal?
So that vault tec once they come out
They can just mind control them?

[untold socket]

It's possible, however - I assume we won't because Maxon, like how he handled the Commonwealth, probably sent a force AHEAD of him.

[worn ruin]

There is so much contradictory about it that it feels like it has to be deliberate. Like Hank being under New Vegas but using a global comms room to talk with House through a radio

[eager temple]

I don't really think so bro. Why would Vault Tec built a headquarters that big just for one person

[solid moss]

Shrugs
Why the hell is it aboanded to begin with

[neon heath]

mannnn, so like do you think BoS si the strongest force in Boston?

[worn ruin]

House always communicated through terminals or securitrons, which the trailers indicate was still the case

[jolly dust]

I mean going back to S1, one of the big questions and final things brought up was the idea of "who's really beind the curtain". They're really just continuing to push that idea but in different ways. In S1 it was Cooper asking that question (and he's still working towards that). His idea of 'behind the curtrain' now seems to be Mr. House. But there mayh be another curtain behind that cuyrtain lol

[eager temple]

I have no idea bro 💔
Maybe it was meant for those vault tec employees who got frozen?

[worn ruin]

Also if each season is effectively a mini-fallout plot... practically every fallout game has done a mid-story villain switch

[untold socket]

It's safe to assume the Brotherhood is fairly strong - if the documented lore the Scribes did on Maxon is correct, he not only rallied the Capital Wasteland AT 16 YEARS OLD - he spent a better part of his life tightening his grip on it, and building up the Brotherhood's fighting force and started expanding. I imagine the Brotherhood, at least Maxson's Chapter, after absorbing other Chapters, and gathering more technology and refining Liberty Prime?

They're fairly strong, yes.

[worn ruin]

House could be the Moldaver of this season? set up as the villain only for another villain to be revealed?

[untold socket]

Kelogg to Father, etc etc.

[jolly dust]

That is very true, it's definitely a trend in FO

[solid moss]

Oh and moldaver just casually knows that vault tec knows about their nuclear plans and how cooper wife is going to vegas
I literally forgot about that

House and the brain chips was so major that the moldaver part was forgotton until somebody mention it

[worn ruin]

to be fair its supposed to be some robco held expo, not a secret meeting

[untold socket]

No, keep in mind she's MISINFORMED. She knows half of it, she thinks House's missile system are nukes for the U.S. when in reality it's his defense system.

[solid moss]

Hmm
I dont remember she said that but then again, my caption werent working correctly so it was annoying to hear the dailouge

[worn ruin]

I think they are deliberately using our knowledge vs the characters lack, WE know House is using the missile system to defend Vegas from nukes

[untold socket]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, it's a bait - but it's because we're getting it from Moldaver's perspective.

[eager temple]

Moldaver was that woman who talked with Cooper during Prewar right

[neon heath]

HELL YEAH, thanks man youre great at this. Feels like im listening/reading from a holotape

[solid moss]

Its also genius because fallout fans know that but to first time watchers who never played the games
You got this feeling that she is right because she was right before

[untold socket]

Moldaver isn't privy to any and all information. She has bit's and pieces - and assumes but yeah, in the diner with Coop she assumes his missile defense system is nukes by Vault Tec, when we know it's not.

[untold socket]

yes

[worn ruin]

Yeah I think they want new viewers to think House is the mastermind evil CEO, only to reveal he's just one player at the board (still an evil ceo, still a mastermind but not THE mastermind)

[neon heath]

actuall got a question about Moldaver, did she had a cryopod too?

[solid moss]

Chef kiss
Beautful fucking writing

[solid moss]

I hope so because aint no way she is still kicking after 200 years without it

[untold socket]

We assume she somehow did, yes.

[jolly dust]

Either that or some form of...eternal life

[untold socket]

fountain of youth, smh

[solid moss]

Yeah lets just stick with cyropad

[neon heath]

i hope they show it, not sure if its gonna be relevant, but i hope theres more like moldaver, like againts buds a buds.

[solid moss]

oh and i forgot to mention
norm is badass in ep1

[untold socket]

Given she's dead, we'll only probably see her in Flashbacks, I am curious her pull with the NCR. I wanna know how tf she pulled so many of them together on her own - and how she amassed a cult in the vault?????

[untold socket]

Norm is the definition of the nerd rage perk, and I love it.

[worn ruin]

Honestly Steph is giving me fascist baroness vibes this episode, like she is not prepared to deal with the "managers" that make up Vault 32.

[neon heath]

hell yeah brother, hope to see more screentime for him. His acting and character is so good

[worn ruin]

That and she'd look right in an enclave uniform, its the hair and eyepatch

[solid moss]

Man looks at his two choices present with already known outcome
Decided to make probably the most insane choice with no idea what will happen

Honestly
i thought norm would kill everyone in vault 31
Nah but release them all?
That is insane damage beyond imagine

[vocal wind]

Dang what an episode

[untold socket]

WHEN THE WATER CHIP IS BROKEN?!

[neon heath]

"Chaos"

[vocal wind]

Last season

[solid moss]

Plan are overrated anyways
Plans are had
But chaos is easy

[neon heath]

one liners baby letsgooo HAHAHA

[vocal wind]

Do you guys thunk hank is working for house or enclave?

[untold socket]

Oh I know, I was saying Norm intentionally released ALL those people in the vault, knowing the water chip is damaged, and he chose absolute and utter Chaos as his answer. I'm here for it.

[solid moss]

Unknown

[worn ruin]

Norm confirmed Wild Card

[umbral dew]

I guessed house cause he was like “you always thinking of the endless possibilities” or something like that

[vocal wind]

Give me house please. Please give me house. Why won't you just give me house. House always wins.

[solid moss]

The best part is this
This is something they wouldnt expect
So its either
Somehow quickly make the water chip
Or evacuate
And both are not gonna make them happy

[jolly dust]

Norm confirmed Mr. Chaos

[neon heath]

i wanna see enclave more, but i think neither

[vocal wind]

House wins is Canon ending. Give me house. We all know house winning is the Canon ending of FNV

[untold socket]

Judging by the end of the episode teaser for the season? And we saw some people and Norm outside the vault, I'm VERY curious what's gonna happen.

[neon heath]

Filly is gonna be jam packed for sure

[solid moss]

Probably an escpae plan?
Water chip destoryed
Best strat would be go outside

[worn ruin]

Norms the kind of guy who immediately hacks Mr. Houses terminal to access his stasis pod and kill him

[untold socket]

Yeah there's a few lines he drops like, "Endless possibilities" "New vegas, your old stomping grounds" etc etc that make me think it's House. But we have to wait and see.

[vocal wind]

I'm a huge fan of FNV since it was the first fallout game I've played and it was a classic. This season is gonna be a treat for me. Loved all the call backs this episode. Vault 24 is real y'all

[solid moss]

nah
Mr norm would be somehow to accidentaly cause the legion to become a democracy and nuke themselves cause he cosplayed for shits and giggles

[worn ruin]

Honestly it felt... too blatant? so much that I feel it has to be a bait and switch

[eager temple]

Back when I was 13, I refunded Gmod and bought FNV instead lmao

[vocal wind]

Norms the kinda guy to steal all the gold from Sierra madre

[neon heath]

ngl i thought its 22 haha

[untold socket]

Yeah, given the twists so far, I'm not sold entirely on anything - they could really pull something out of left field.

[eager temple]

What was the price of FNV back then... I can't remember

[vocal wind]

Well chosen sir

[worn ruin]

Like they showed their full hand on episode 1 if it is House, he's the villain who's behind everything

[eager temple]

There's always someone bigger than House

[jolly dust]

There's always a bigger house

[eager temple]

True...

[solid moss]

Well they casually just showed house is a pyscopath, hank is somehow not working for vault tec and brain chips

[vocal wind]

I dont think house is going to be the villain. I think it's someone we dont know or enclave. I think house developed the mind control chip but it wasn't working right. Then this someone fixed it and now there are bunch of zombies in the world we dont know. And it could be anyone.

[solid moss]

Yeah depsite being first episode
We have too many answers than usual

[solid moss]

The better question is this
Why would house invent this tech?

[worn ruin]

But they also have Moldaver say stuff we know is incorrect, The Ghoul even says House shot down missiles... if he launched the nukes did he fire missiles at himself to shoot down?

[solid moss]

This tech is useless in a post war setting because house doesnt need it

[vocal wind]

Evil millionaire shit idk

[solid moss]

No
Its clear that moldaver doesnt fully know

[eager temple]

Every factions always has their own propaganda

[vocal wind]

The better question is, why didn't he say anything about it in New Vegas?

[solid moss]

She knows house is doing something but doesnt actually know what its trying to do
She basically working with half truths

[untold socket]

House will go through insane lengths for 'progress' in his mind. What he views as it. If it means taking advantage of people - which New Vegas is, it's the city of sin and vice - the ripest ground for economic growth in a world that's lacking that type of human connection that was the normal back then.

I think it will be really bland if they show him as just the typical 'evil billionaire' i agree he's unhinged, but I doubt he's the villain.

[jolly dust]

I've seen a number of people in this discord and elsewhere who said they were bored by E1 or that nothing happened...the amount of questions and discussions we all have sure goes against that imo lol

[eager temple]

I mean, you just a courier?

[solid moss]

Because it was irrelevant at the time
Beside the obvious oh due to different writers, it can also be down to just, it wanst important to know
This isnt the info i need to know in new vegas cause its not relevant at that time

[worn ruin]

Could be House didn't invent it but appropriated it, we see Vault Tec experimenting in two separate locations

[untold socket]

This.

[vocal wind]

House doesn't think so

"The rest need to act like they're important, not us, we know we are" referring to himself and the courier

[solid moss]

Well he did just field test it so he clearly has some connection to it

[untold socket]

House is notorious, not for directly inventing stuff, but jacking other people's ideas an innovating off of them. Lol

[solid moss]

Well house isnt stupid for starters
He knows the couior is important and isnt someone you want at his bad sign

[solid moss]

Well it actually take skill to improve upon an old design

[worn ruin]

One thing I'd kind of like is if Cooper is revealed to be courier who was supposed to deliver the platinum chip the day of the great war

Like House promises him safety for him and his daughter from the war and vault-tec

[solid moss]

That... actually wouldnt be an bad idea plot twist

[untold socket]

Oh of course, don't kid yourself - im not saying he's not smart. The dude is playing VR chess while everyone is playing bottecap checkers. He's hyperintelligent.

[solid moss]

and beside
he can make shit but he doesnt have the creativity to do it
If that make sense

[worn ruin]

Could even have Mr. House in the present snipe at the Ghoul saying he's late for his delivery and he had someone else do it

[solid moss]

I dont think house would blame him for that
It was scheduled on the day he thought the bomb would come

But the bombs eariler than he thought

[vocal wind]

That's my point. He knows the courier isn't just some simple post man. And he also had us dug out. At first only to get the platinum chip but after following our progress through the Mojave, im guessing he was training us to be a new Benny. Im guessing the mind control chip was just a failed prototype and house didn't develop it further, and it somehow ended up in vault tec control. Either by corporate espionage or just house selling them the design

[worn ruin]

House is a very petty man

[untold socket]

12 hours earlier, iirc.

Which is an insane projection.

[solid moss]

Yeah but like i said
He wouldnt expect it that early

His math is right
He just didnt get the 12 hour early part right

[eager temple]

So like, Hank trying to miniaturize a brain control device. Like, he wants to force the Wasteland to get along by controlling them

[solid moss]

We have no idea what hank is even trying to do anymore

[vocal wind]

Me when I bluff the courier saying I will put people in space in the next hundred years knowing full well they won't survive long enough to see the next hundred years

[untold socket]

Hank is unhinged, especially when you look at the message he left Lucy. "I'm gonna fix everything." Brother, WHAT IS THERE TO FIX????

[solid moss]

Hank is supposely working for house and the enclave
And somehow is very intellgient to be experimenting but also very skilled person to survive in the wasteland
This aint suppose to make sense

[vocal wind]

Or worse, maybe him and his boss already had done so. Maybe a lot of folks we dont know in the first season and this one are already mind controlled. Remember we saw the miniature designs in the vault already

[worn ruin]

House experimenting with masochism wasn't on my bingo card

[solid moss]

Yeah
Its like hank is a wildcard
He working with someone and yet has his own agenda

[jolly dust]

I don't think Hank is directly trying to work on integrating the miniaturization with the brain control devices because he directly wants to use it. He's doing it to fulfill what someone else was working on (seems like House) and to get in good graces with them

[vocal wind]

Anything to make the number go up buddy

[eager temple]

Those who know

[solid moss]

But why would house want to use it

[jolly dust]

Any ol person couldn't just be one of buds buds

[vocal wind]

Or a mind controlled buds bud...

[worn ruin]

House's plans tend to fall apart due to the unpredictability of humans

[untold socket]

We don't have that answer yet, like we can only assume.

[vocal wind]

At this point anyone can be anyone 😭

[worn ruin]

He relies on predicting the unpredictable

[solid moss]

He is good at it
He did somehow got the date of the nukes right so...

But clearly house isnt perfect at his predicting abilities

[untold socket]

This is also a good way to look at it, lol House is a number cruncher. Him designing something that'll make it so that he can predict the unpredictable, a lot better would help him in the long run.

[worn ruin]

Yet he fails to predict Benny's betrayal or potentially the Courier

[untold socket]

No, but he's better at it than most. Lol

[eager temple]

You know the Platinum Chip from the game? I think the show is basically remixing that lore. Hank stealing this "mind control" tech suggests that the Chip isn't just for data storage

it might be the key to controlling the armies of New Vegas...

[jolly dust]

Exactly. Like, we don't really know. But also at the same time, without even needing a specific reason.......essentially any somewhat authoritarian/evil person or organization in the real world or Fallout world would jump at the chance to have any form of mind control. THe possibilities are endless.

[vocal wind]

Didn't we deliver it and all it did was upgrade his security system and the securitrons?

[untold socket]

This is correct, it didn't do anything outside of upgrade House's software.

[vocal wind]

I think the mind control chip is a reject design as far as house is concerned

[worn ruin]

I remember Hi-Fi rush had a twist that the evil corps mind control was just about ensuring brand loyalty rather than doing anything else with it

[solid moss]

Yes but it did way more
It also meant to upgrade the lucky defenses so all nukes could be stopped
Obviously by the time he gets it, it really was a mk2 securtron upgrade

[vocal wind]

Why would it end up in vault tec's hands? Same as pip-boy. House gave the designs of things he either didn't care about or were failed designs to vault tec.

[jolly dust]

Yeah, like that's such a catch all that ANYONE who doesn't have notable moral qualms with it can use it. Business? More consumers. Army? More soldiers? CAnnibals? More food lol

[untold socket]

If it's rejected, House wouldn't care.

[eager temple]

Naybe the show is just changing the MacGuffin to make it scarier. In the game, House wanted to control the Strip with weapons but in the show, it looks like he (or Hank) wants to control the people directly?

[vocal wind]

Exactly my point.

[vocal wind]

Maybe

[eager temple]

Like, House wasn't just working on robot software. He was experimenting with the "mind control" tech found in Vault 24

[vocal wind]

Man just make an ending Canon already. House being alive already canonises 1 ending

[untold socket]

But also had a point earlier - If House had Agents inside each corporation, which we know he did - we can assume he had some inside of Vault Tec, if the discarded Tech ever became useful in some way he could probably steal it back.

I have to assume though, that it would've been before the bombs fell, if he did this. Since he'd have no way of knowing really, after the fact.

[vocal wind]

It was his own tech tho. I dont think he found vault 24. That's why we dont see it in game cause as far as the new Vegas world building is concerned, vault 24 is irrelevant

[untold socket]

House did way more than that, but yeah, he had his hands everywhere, I don't think people realize how integrated House was inside corporations. It's how he was able to absorb so many.

[vocal wind]

Didn't he steal his own brothers company too?

[untold socket]

Yup.

[worn ruin]

TBH I thought the effects of the mind control device was intentionally similar to the mesmetron from 3, first we see suggestibility, then a frenzy, then the head explode

[untold socket]

And that's just one of the many he stole from people, he was deeply invested in so many companies pre-war.

[worn ruin]

while the mesmetron only causes 1 of those since its a short burst the device causes all 3 eventually

[untold socket]

Yeah i mentioned this earlier, it immediately made me think of the mes, and slave collar tech. Like an offshoot of it, or smaller version but with hardcore compulsion.

[eager temple]

I think... the showrunners decided to turn a piece of "cut content" Vault 24 into the "missing link" between House and Vault-Tec.

[vocal wind]

Wait isn't that was mega corps literally do???? House is supposed to be the stand in for all evil mega Corp capitalists...

[vocal wind]

That's a nice detail! I forgot about mesmetron

[worn ruin]

Vault 11 feels like something House might have come up with given his open disdain for democracy

Vault 22 was Big MT since they made the spore plants

[eager temple]

House built the hardware, the chips/interfaces, and Vault Tec provided the test subjects, the poor people locked in Vault 24 👀

[worn ruin]

Hank directly calls Vault 24 a vault-tec experiment if i recall

[untold socket]

I think in total in terms of BIG NAMED companies he had, it was RepConn, RobCo, H&H, Majority of Casinos and Hotels in Vegas, - he had ties into Big MT, Vault Tec, etc etc. I think even in the Repconn building, it was confirmed he had an Agent within the company, which is his typical MO when preparing for a takeover.

[vocal wind]

You want to see the profits of democracy? Then go and see them.
Across the street a bunch of freaks are playing colosseum

[vocal wind]

Every vault is a vault-tec experiment. Some were joint experiments but all of them were done with vault tec supervision

[untold socket]

oh and the Sierra Madre, I forget he had ties to Sinclair.

[vocal wind]

Tbf, anyone locked up in any vault was already doomed...
Tho my favorite is definitely vault 21. Just a bunch of gamblers that won the vault and thrived

[worn ruin]

So i have two theories why they did the House body double instead of just a recast

First is that the body double is the house seen in New Vegas turned into a proxy for the real House who's... somewhere else lmao

Second that Cooper assassinates the body double, which is the reason "House" becomes a recluse by the time of the great war

[untold socket]

I wonder if the body double could be the only successful person from the experiment with the chip?

[worn ruin]

Tech seems to experimental rn

otherwise Hank wouldn't need to miniaturized it or retrieve it from V24

[jolly dust]

Agreed, if it were functioning and stable at that time prewar and early enough that Justin T's House isn't the public face of House, then why is it barely working at this time post-war and still seems unfinished

[jolly dust]

Honestly, reasoning aside, whether it's those two options or anything else, I really think we'll end up finding out from the production about partway through the show that this was never planned as a recast, and that if a S2 happened it was always intended for there to be a different House.

[rotund garnet]

Just been confirmed it was commonwealth Bos y’all

[jolly dust]

Shows/movies have to recast often enough there's no real reason for them to work that in as a plot thing beyond a nod to it (ala Iron Man 2 with Rhodey).

[rotund garnet]

They was talking bout in trailer

[jolly dust]

And if you do a recast you just announce it sooner....I could be wrong on my timelines but I'm nearly certain that cast announcements happened like, end of 2024. But I don't think Justin was announced as being Robert House until like, only a few months ago around the time the trailers came out?

[worn ruin]

Lowkey I am wondering if the blue bos flag in the trailer actually is a BoS-minutemen alliance flag. I thought so when i first saw it but then i inspected it closer and it was crossed swords instead of the minutemen symbol but now...

[jolly dust]

If I were making bets on one singular thing tied to the show, it's that this was planned from the start and was never a 'recast'. The recast was the real-world cover story.

[jolly dust]

zoom, enhance

[worn ruin]

Did before and came to the conclusion it wasn't but now that Kumail's character is from the commonwealth...

[shy viper]

Ok. About to watch the episode now

Let's see what they cooked

[jolly dust]

Enjoy!

[jolly dust]

I unironically think Kumail's character is going to be a badass. He just seems cool af. Or maybe it's just the jacket lol

[worn ruin]

He's mostly a comedy actor right? Has he done more dramatic works if so he could hit a good balance of humor and coolness

[calm raven]

I just hope he’s not playing Arthur Maxson himself like some people were speculating. He seemed a little too chipper to match Arthur’s personality lol

[worn ruin]

No scars, he's also called paladin in fallout shelter for whatever thats worth

[shy viper]

Holy Shite. Big Iron

[gilded tree]

so guys that mf that was on House's screens in the last trailer isn't House?

[shy viper]

He mentioned H&H tools. Must be his brother

[uncut loom]

I thought they said there would be death claws in season two but on the sneak peek I didn’t see any

[shy viper]

There's one in the official trailer

It'll probably appear later

[jolly dust]

Yeah, predominantly known as a comedian but he’s had a few more serious roles and has been pretty good in both. I think he’ll be great for a jokey, charismatic badass if that’s what they go with

[gilded tree]

Did House have a brother?

[shy viper]

Ye

[uncut loom]

I guess I am trying to compare it to last of us with spore things

[shy viper]

You can find his h&h tools factory near outer vegas

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_House

[jolly dust]

Thankfully no, that was always kind of silly speculation tbh but his characters name was shown in the subtitles in the teaser at the end and it’s just as dramatic a character name.
He’s Xander Harkness lmao

[shy viper]

I did find some theories saying that it could be a body double

Ya know like he's got someone to present in front of the camera as House so he himself won't face trouble in public

[worn ruin]

I think Culkin's character has been speculated to be a dozen different characters from NV, he did confirm he is someone from nv

[shy viper]

I do personally hope it's Anthony tho

Feel like he didn't get enough backstory in vanilla NV

The show could expand on him

But the body double theory is nice as well

[worn ruin]

Hilariously Culkin might be Lanius given the ep 2 promo. Which is sort of a yes and no answer since Lanius is implied to be an identity than one person

[gilded tree]

Good thing he's not Arthur

[untold socket]

body double is most possible, house and his brother loathed each other.

Specifically to the point where they wouldn't work together.

[mighty moss]

What do you think of this episode though?

[gilded tree]

For now it's good

[shy viper]

True enough. Tho he might've just said all that to get their attention

[gilded tree]

I'm scared to find out how the fuck Vegas is in this state after NV, almost as if the courier never existed and did nothing, like for the Khans

[untold socket]

I think he was saying it to bait them, in a way. Also to imply that even though they hate him, they use H&H - which ultimately, falls under him. So he's inevitable, The House Always Wins, in a way. I think it was a nice play on words without necessarily dropping them.

[shy viper]

Ye. I like that it's vague enough to leave room for imagination

[untold socket]

It would be insane if in FNV, Lanius we meet is the original, and MC's character picked up the mantle, later. Lol It would tie Ulysses's words in perfectly.

[eager temple]

Well well well, who might that be

[gilded tree]

if it's him he must have taken a trip to Boston

[untold socket]

It's eerie how similar it looks to Nora and Nate's neighborhood.

[gilded tree]

By now it's unlikely that Vault Tec dropped the first bomb, since it's said that House was the one to press the button, he would be TOTALLY against the game since he didn't have the platinum chip yet

[untold socket]

No, it's not confirmed that House launched it. It's a bait.
Moldaver assumes that the missiles House has are to drop the bombs, because she's convinced House is fully bought into Vault Tec's Agenda, but it doesn't make sense otherwise. Plus we have context pretty much confirming that he didn't with Howard saying he defended Vegas, plus confirmation that he tells the Courier.

[shy viper]

House definitely didn't press the button

Why would he need to shoot down nukes over Vegas himself then

[untold socket]

Keep in mind the characters are not operating off of full information. They're operating off of bits and pieces. Moldaver isn't privy to Mr House's plans, and Coop was the only one to get close. He'd be more reliable of a source, than Moldaver, and Coop confirms what we already knew - that he did not drop the bombs.

[gilded tree]

Guys, in fact, no one said that he would bomb Vegas, but by dropping a bomb on the Chinese he would have triggered a world war that would have also hit Vegas, that's what he needs the missile defense system for

[untold socket]

None of that was ever said, that's pure speculation. lol

[shy viper]

But VT's idea was to specifically bomb USA itself. Why would he bomb China.

That's just an extra step

If you want USA nuked, just nuke it directly

[gilded tree]

But excuse me, what wasn't said? That he had a bomb defense system?

[untold socket]

The idea is that House fired first to trigger, but he didn't and it would make no sense, there's zero confirmation or evidence that he pressed the button.

[untold socket]

He has a defense system but he doesn't have nukes, Mr House didn't press a button to fire against China.

[shy viper]

Yeah cos like what's the point. Just nuke the place yourself. Why bother bombing China and aggroing them into nuking you

[gilded tree]

that's what I said before...

[shy viper]

He definitely didn't launch the nukes himself

Could be he was involved with the people who did but he definitely didn't

[untold socket]

You said here that House was the one to press the Button, so it's a bit confusing.

[gilded tree]

okay, the point is to drop the bombs so as to start a world war between China and the USA

[gilded tree]

@untold socket

[untold socket]

He probably was, for information's sake, for advantage sake, and for his own Agenda - remember he was 12 hours off the first bomb being dropped. House is a number cruncher at the end of the day and he got so close he was 12 hours off.

[shy viper]

But there's no point in it. The whole idea was to just nuke USA itself so they could rebuild it their own way.
Starting a nuke war with china wasn't even necessary if they intended on destroying USA itself

[untold socket]

Yeah the goal wasn't to drop nukes to start a war, it was to drop nukes TO REBUILD.

[shy viper]

In fact the whole reason they even considered nuking USA itself was because the nuke war hasn't started yet

[untold socket]

China wanted a War, Vault Tec did not, they wanted to end it all and start over with Vault Tec at the helm.

[gilded tree]

What are you saying? The plan was to destroy THE WORLD with a total nuclear war. What the fuck would be the point of destroying only America if China then arrives to conquer the rubble?

[shy viper]

If they wanted to start a nuke war anyway why even bother discussing nuking USA

[gilded tree]

After the war

[shy viper]

Destroy USA. They can't travel the entire world

[untold socket]

But there was no long term war once the bombs fell, the world just ended, China's goal wasn't to invade - it was a resource war, it's said a dozen times in lore.

[shy viper]

Their focus was America itself

[untold socket]

It's not a war to destroy, it's a war for resources. Vault Tec wanted to destroy America, to shift their focus on rebuilding without worrying about the resources. That's what their plan was, it's not a GOOD PLAN, no one's saying it's good. But that was their plan.

[gilded tree]

huh, the world ended after a nuclear war for resources, this is like the Fallout base...

[shy viper]

Technically it was the Enclave's plan but yeah

[shy viper]

We're talking about what the show is suggesting. VT considered nuking America so they could rebuild it in their own way

[untold socket]

This.

[shy viper]

Which was also the Enclave's plan as we see in Fo2 and 3

Destroy the wasteland and rebuild their own way

[untold socket]

We still don't have HARD confirmation of who shot first. Vault Tec wanted to but we don't know if they actually did.

[shy viper]

Yeah. That too

[untold socket]

China still could've dropped the bombs, too, but Vault Tec's plan was focused on America and ending the resource siphon. That's what their end-goal was, that, and to put themselves at the top with no competition.

[gilded tree]

No guys, you don't understand I think, you should watch the first season again, the vault tec (enclave) plan, seeing that peace between America and China was a possibility, was to unleash the war by sending an atomic bomb, in this way America seeing an atomic bomb launched its bombs towards China and its allies, while China seeing that the Americans were bombing them in turn launched the atomic bombs on the USA and its allies, so the world ended and the vault tec will not have wasted money on the bunkers (it all started from the fact that if there had not been the war it would have lost a lot of money because the bunkers would have been useless without nuclear war)

[untold socket]

I rewatched the first season before starting it, I remember what was said. None of this is hard core confirmed, these were 'talks'.

Even when you go onto the wiki it still says that we don't know who shot first. It's still GENERALLY ASSUMED China did it.

[mighty moss]

What do you think of Vault Tec doing it though?

[untold socket]

I agree they're assumptions, and they make sense, but none of that is confirmed, yet.

It would make sense, I think they planned to - I just think China beat them to it. But it still worked out for them, kind of? I mean they had Bud's Buds, tucked away, they relatively still had cold-fusion contingencies, whether they did or didn't, most of their plans didn't fall through entirely, yet.

Also pretty sure in an interview last year, Tim Cain confirmed or mentioned it was China who dropped the bombs.

[gilded tree]

I know, it's not certain who did it yet (also because it would be strange since House, being their member, should have known when the bomb would be dropped, and Cooper's wife would not have let her daughter go to a party outside on the day of the end) but in the first season the Vault Tec plan was this one I wrote before

[untold socket]

I agree, but Vault Tec doing it was not war related. Bud has said it many times, now that might change later - but so far, from what Vault Tec has said, tracks. They were gonna drop the bombs to focus on rebuilding without the resource crisis in America. It had nothing to do with Enclave, or stuff like that mentioned.

And I believe China dropped them in retaliation to FEV. Pretty sure once they found out what we were doing with it, they went nuclear.

[gilded tree]

Sure, one of their goals was to rebuild America, but starting a world war was necessary, especially because, think about it, what's the point of razing only America to the ground if the rest of the world is left to take advantage of it and conquer it now that it's in pieces? So their goal was to destroy the world and then kill or wait for the survivors to die, so they could have America all to themselves (anyway, I think it's official that Vault Tec works for the Enclave).

[untold socket]

Not a single other country came in to invade and take over - some people have visited, but there hasn't been an invasion force? At most we have some China and Communist influence around the Cali area, but that is the extent of it.

Because again, the War wasn't to CONQUER, it was for RESOURCES. You don't CONQUER during a RESOURCE war due to logistics, and a slew of other reasons. You stretch yourself super thin. So no the goal was never to raze the rest of the world, I don't even believe America retaliated after the bombs were dropped - there's been no confirmation that other countries are THAT bad as America was, and if they are even a fraction of bad - they'd be focusing on rebuilding, too.
I never said it was a good point or plan what Vault Tec was doing, I'm just saying that's what's being said and evidence supports that - without assuming or speculating too much. I think it's stupid, don't get me wrong - but I don't think Vault Tec is a smart organization to begin with given majority of their vaults failed, and the only big success to come out of their antics was Cold Fusion?

[gilded tree]

the reason no one invaded is simply because the nuclear war destroyed everything, there was nothing left, and that was the plan

[untold socket]

Not Vault Tec's, Vault Tec's was SOLELY America. That is it. Other factions? Like the Enclave? I could buy into that, but still - as far as we know Vault Tec's plan was to drop the bombs on America, not everywhere.

[gilded tree]

Yes, they dropped the bomb on America so that America would think it was China and then bomb it and its allies, so that China would in turn do the same to America and its allies. The result? The world is reduced to rubble, some more than others, and for centuries to come, the survivors will have to focus on rebuilding. That was the plan, whether it actually came to fruition or whether China acted first is still unknown.

[mighty scaffold]

There is a thing like it in fo3 where a mad scientist takes control of ghouls and super mutants using brain chips

That modified grenade smg looked sick

[gilded tree]

in fallout 3 the enclave controlled the deathclaws right?

[mighty scaffold]

Yea

Some of them not everyone of them

[glass forge]

wtf is ts😭

I pray that’s not Legate

[mighty scaffold]

It is

Only the legate has that armor

[glass forge]

Why is he so small

[mighty scaffold]

New legate maybe idk

[glass forge]

Ts ain’t the same guy who threw me around like a ball💔

[mighty scaffold]

Doesn't have to be lanius

[elder herald]

Great episode

[untold socket]

Remember, Uylsses said Lanius could be a mantle. 🙂

[mighty scaffold]

I'm rewatching it

When

[untold socket]

His dialogue at the end of Lonesome Road.

He specifically said that no one's seen his face, there's no confirmation he's even the same man, or if it's someone else.

[calm raven]

I wonder what the official fallout terminology would be for that two headed centipede? Radipede?

[untold socket]

https://youtu.be/GnXcBJUxPnk?si=aL2Sr3u66036nCHo

It's like his second or third line when talking to him

[mighty scaffold]

I kinda like how some characters act like dumb NPCs

Like Davey and that guy with the inbred club lol

[untold socket]

Hope to see more Wastelanders being unhinged Wastelanders tbh

[mighty scaffold]

Next episode will be another great one I bet

Get to see the bos again

[untold socket]

Gonna see a lot more of them.

[south cipher]

I cant wait for Super Mutants. I need to hear Ron Pearlman's voice

[untold socket]

Yeah it did sound like a Super Mutant in the trailer - I'm hoping they don't look scuffed.

[south cipher]

I doubt it considering the Deathclaw and Radscorpions look bang on

[untold socket]

True - god I forgot about the Radscorpion.
Thing looked a little too on the nose.

[sonic kettle]

Ok so I loved this episode

[mighty scaffold]

I just noticed that one of the movies on the starlight drive in was a man and his dog

Cool reference

[sonic kettle]

I loved Coops Clint Eastwood Squint as he put his hat back on

[untold socket]

It's also a movie Coop made in the lore, which is funny - it's like a double reference. Lol

[mighty scaffold]

Be cool if Tim Cain gets asked for lore bits

[untold socket]

He did make confirmations last year during interviews, so I'm confident he will once the season is over. He did a couple of interviews.

[mighty scaffold]

He has a season 1 review I hope he does season 2

[sonic kettle]

Who do you think Hank was talking to in VaultTech HQ?

I thought it was House, but that seems like a red herring

[untold socket]

I'm leaning House, but that could be bait. Might be Vault Tec CEO(Who would be a new character, since there isn't one made yet), or Enclave.

[elder herald]

Big Iron

[untold socket]

Maybe the guy who Barb was looking at during the meeting? The guy in the shadows.

[sonic kettle]

Just his comment about owning half of the city, we know House did

[dense carbon]

Welp ep 1 was interesting

[untold socket]

Yeah it could be a twist, but I mean - the Mr House body double was also a good twist so we might be surprised with what they go with.

They're cheeky for saying they recasted him, but they didn't. Lol

[sonic kettle]

It did feel weird to me that if Justin is the real house he would put himself in danger like that?

[dense carbon]

I like that Thaddeus is running some sort of Industrial Revolution London era child labour factory randomly in the end section showing what’s going to happen next in the season

[untold socket]

Well.
House would do anything for progress. To be fair. That's what's interesting about his character - So I think he would. He played on their greed, too, he knew what he was doing. 31 million dollars made them blink, and that's all he needed to take advantage of the situation.

[untold socket]

Makes me wonder if those are just random children he's found, or if it's a town or something. lol

[sonic kettle]

Yeah that's fair, to me it seemed like the chip was going to be his computer/human interface for his internment in vegas

I know in game he mentions system crashes and coma, maybe he needed to inter himself earlier than expected

[untold socket]

That's an interesting idea, yeah. I genuinely thought it was just him messing around with technology similar to slave collars - given they both have the literal same effect of blowing your head off.
I'm more curious about the compulsion aspect, and how far it can be taken in the technology's perfected state.

Cause the one he used on the kidnapped son, while worked, you can tell he was trying to fight it, and was slow to respond. So I wonder how far it'll go.

[elder herald]

That coming this season video showed too much lol

[sonic kettle]

Could be, especially for labour disputes could be there to force labourers not to strike?

It seems like the technology was never fully completed as wasn't Hank looking at the same stuff?

[untold socket]

Well, we don't know if Hank is the one who completed it, or if someone else did. When he enters the room, IT LOOKS LIKE it's already done.

[elder herald]

Maximus was a billy in the fridge? I didn’t remember that 😆

[untold socket]

I don't think Hank sat down with the technology, and completed it himself, unless he did so pre-war. But when I watched it a second time earlier, I noticed it was already shrunk down, and displayed on the desk before he came in.

[sonic kettle]

Oh I thought Hank said he was going to finish the work?

[short merlin]

we have two houses

[sonic kettle]

I assume they got it to work and was working on miniaturizing it, but never got it into full production

[untold socket]

He said that, but it looks like it's completed unless he's referring to using it on people successfully???

[short merlin]

odds are that house has the functioning variant, vault-tec doesnt

[elder herald]

Did you see the coming this season video? It revealed so much idk if I can say here lol

[sonic kettle]

I just wonder what House would use mind control tech for?

[untold socket]

This is what I was somewhat thinking.

[untold socket]

Negate or lessen human error, it's one of his biggest gripes.

[elder herald]

I thought it was a synth component

[sonic kettle]

I suppose we need to see what it is like in NV now, and if House really is still around

[untold socket]

not at all

[short merlin]

Remote pilot bodies? who knows.
At this point its clear they wanted to indoctrinate people and mind control them, if it was successful or not is up for debate

[elder herald]

That bald guy looked like a super mutant

[short merlin]

we can tell that they can temporarily control someone, then their head explodes

[untold socket]

I cannot stress how similar it is to mesmetron and slave collars, lol

[short merlin]

was about to bring up the mesmetron

[untold socket]

maybe, im hoping we get some mutants

[sonic kettle]

I'm guessing that it never went into full production considering slave collars were still used

[untold socket]

Yeah, it's why i suggested hours ago that I wonder if House used the fully functioning one already. Maybe on his double? I'm not sure, I won't have a better idea until we see more.

[sonic kettle]

I mean in the trailer we see Justin's face on the Lucky 38 screen, so I presume he is the real house and was interfaced into Lucky38

[mighty scaffold]

I think house wasn't able to continue that work once the bombs dropped and that's why Hank is talking on the radio to House saying he'll finish his old work

[sonic kettle]

I'm just wondering if it wasn't used on people, but used to allow him to remote into securitrons

[untold socket]

Yeah, I don't think it's as deep as people are assuming that we potentially don't meet the real house in FNV. I think Justin's character IS the real House.

[sonic kettle]

I think it's a bit of a rug pull if that isn't House

[untold socket]

Probably not - but he could've been more focused on the Platinum Chip, too, and attempting to secure that. It went under the radar, for a time, until now.

[sonic kettle]

I mean unless there never was a body, and he fully converted himself into a machine

[mighty scaffold]

If there's a body double maybe they'll say the one the courier killed was the double and that way they can have the real house still alive and have like NCR or legion win at the dam

[sonic kettle]

Maybe the chips would be used to "bring him back" by downloading his brain?

[untold socket]

Nah, i don't think they'd take it that far. They'd have so much to explain, knowing bethesda, they're gonna leave it ambiguous.
As much as I would want them to confirm an ending of sorts.

They're probably not gonna directly touch main quest related stuff aside from confirming whose alive, who isn't, whose active, and who isn't.

[sonic kettle]

We see in the season trailer that one of the securitrons has the army face, which suggests that the platinum chip was delivered

[short merlin]

or attempt to turn the mind control into mind transfer, but couldnt finish it in time

[untold socket]

Yeah, I was gonna suggest this.

[untold socket]

Mind transfer would be insanity, but I'd be okay with that.

[sonic kettle]

I dunno if mind transfer is as insanity as a robobrain

[mighty scaffold]

Wonder where Hank went in Vegas that has that massive underground vault tec research facility

[sonic kettle]

What I mean is I would accept that House alone could have developed it if the bombs hadn't dropped

[elder herald]

Vault 22? We never got to see all of it

[gilded tree]

I think he is the brother who has a very high position in the enclave

[sonic kettle]

Like Cold Fusion

[pale merlin]

It was vault 24 and it was cut from fallout nv

[sonic kettle]

Anthony House?

[untold socket]

Underground Vegas im pretty sure - remember Mr House filled a lot of it with concrete. So it wouldn't surprise me if all of those casinos and lucky 38, and the vault was interconnected. Mr House was deeply embedded into Vault Tec, while not necessarily being their ally and using them - he got benefits.

[gilded tree]

Yes

[sonic kettle]

They never got along

[untold socket]

Anthony is dead.

And yeah, Anthoy is way too mentally unstable.

[gilded tree]

When?

[elder herald]

Ah 🙁

[sonic kettle]

Tbh I would have believed Anthony would have been developing mind control

[untold socket]

His death is confirmed in the H&H building.

[pale merlin]

That episode was peak I think we can all agree

[sonic kettle]

Considering how crazy paranoid he was

[short merlin]

...

it is anthony house, goddamnit

[untold socket]

He trapped himself and everyone inside.

[sonic kettle]

You think House is actually Anthony not Robert?

[untold socket]

Like you can read through, Anthony was super unhinged, worse than House, and went out like a psychopath taking all of his employees with him.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_House

[short merlin]

its not two houses, its the house brothers lmao

yeah, of course

how could you miss that with the nailgun reference

how could i miss that lmao

[sonic kettle]

Because all Robert actually wanted was a share in H&H tools

[untold socket]

I don't believe it, they hated each other more than Anything, Anthony was beyond mentally unwell.

Literally
"He held deep disdain for his half-brother Robert and had severe psychological issues, ranging from paranoia to schizophrenia as evidenced by his security measures at the company and his rambling journal entries."

[short merlin]

or he displayed those bits due to failed mind control

[untold socket]

There's no way he'd be stable enough, he walked around in public with a conehead.

[sonic kettle]

Maybe I made it up, but I was sure that Anthony pushed Robert out of H&H tools

[untold socket]

He did, but Robert retaliated, or at least started to - and Anthony got super paranoid, scared, and killed himself and all his employees.

[pale merlin]

Why r we bringing up Anthony house

[elder herald]

Nail guns

[untold socket]

Because someone thought that Anthony was in the Enclave.

[pale merlin]

The only issue I had with that episode is it wasn’t long enough

[terse sable]

i haven’t watched the episode yet but was there an implication that there was a body double??

[short merlin]

agreed

[terse sable]

Otherwise it’s just a recast lol

[untold socket]

Yes, Mr House has a body double.

[pale merlin]

I was 22 minutes in and it felt like 5 minutes went. By

[untold socket]

The recast was a red herring.

[pale merlin]

I was also a lil upset we didn’t get know the fate of novac

[short merlin]

its most likely not a red herring

[terse sable]

Ok what scene reveals this then

Describe it to me

[gilded tree]

no recast, House and this other guy are 2 different people

[short merlin]

but it would be a nice thing to have robert try to control anthony and mess him up so bad he snapped

[untold socket]

Pretty early on in the episode, like the first flashback - there's a House on TV, and one in the Bar, and they look identical, but similar.

[short merlin]

plus, having the same actor for two brothers isnt unknown

hard to tell the difference when one of them dont have a mole or a visible scar though. /s

[untold socket]

I'd be okay with this, cause it would explain is IMMEDIATELY devolution into insanity.

[gilded tree]

they are not similar, they just have similar mustaches and hair

[pale merlin]

I hope we get to know the fate of atleast one settlement in fallout NV

[untold socket]

It's like i mentioned earlier, what if House had the one working version, and used it on Anthony instead?

[pale merlin]

And also what are the areas that they will be going through for Vegas I know Primm and Nelson are out of the picture

[elder herald]

I thought we saw Novac at the start?

[untold socket]

or tried to at least.

[drifting pasture]

we know the fate of novac, i think that counts

[pale merlin]

I guess I just wanna know what happened to my boy boon

[terse sable]

I’ve seen some weird ass pictures of a ||small, lanky, gloveless legate lanius with a bootleg mask that’s apparently in a post credit scene or something. TK Mantis posted it||

[pale merlin]

And also what happened to that crazy dude

[elder herald]

Think it was primm in the end credits with the roller coasters

[short merlin]

Boone having a cameo would be pretty damn nice

[pale merlin]

Maybe it’s one of the fake heads from the divide

[untold socket]

I'm pretty sure the writers are playing off of Ulysses's wording about Lanius being a mantle, rather than an actual person.

[drifting pasture]

the show is an automatic 0/10 if theres no no bark noonan cameo /s

[elder herald]

Isnt starlight drive in a fallout 4 location though I was confused

[terse sable]

||like he’s smaller than the centurion in the photo||

[pale merlin]

Would love to see at least Josh graham or Ulysses in the show

[pale merlin]

I think it’s both it’s def in Vegas cause that’s where you start the dlc fo big mt

[calm raven]

Primm is still possible because it was in the end credits

[untold socket]

Ulysses pretty much says that Lanius is more like a symbol the Legion needs. That no one's seen his face, people aren't even sure he's the same man. Even struck his slaves blind, etc etc.

[sonic kettle]

I just assume Starlight Drive is a chain

[pale merlin]

Eh I guess but from the looks of it it seems abandoned

[elder herald]

True

[drifting pasture]

they're probably gonna retcon starlight drive in to be a company instead of just one single location

[calm raven]

And most of the end credits in the first season were foreshadowing the next episode

[pale merlin]

But how would they go through novac and then Primm?

[drifting pasture]

but it could also all just be a fun callback to a previously known location

[pale merlin]

WE WILL SEE ELDER MAXSON BTW

[short merlin]

by following the damn map markers.

[untold socket]

Map markers were confirmed in S1.

[pale merlin]

They’d be going farther from Vegas

[sonic kettle]

So next episode is Christmas Eve?

[calm raven]

Maybe they pick up a side quest, who knows

[short merlin]

noone said they placed out the map markers good

[pale merlin]

What are the map markers I need a reminder

[untold socket]

they just tell you where your next objective is, or where a specific location is at that you wanna go to on a map. lol

[terse sable]

maybe it’s the camera angle

[calm raven]

Maybe powder gangers retaliated and killed whoever you chose as Primm’s sheriff so they need to reinstate yet another sheriff

[sonic kettle]

Stephanie was so psychotic I wonder what will happen with those Vaults

[pale merlin]

IN THE POST CREDIT SCRNE SOMEONE SAYS “THE COMMON WEALTH WILL DESTROY US”

[sonic kettle]

If all of Bud's Buds wake up will there be a hostile takeover

[pale merlin]

Oh I feel so dumb I know that but why would they go to Primm it’s out of the way to Vegas

[calm raven]

That doesn’t mean we’ll see him for sure but it would be cool

[untold socket]

Yeah, the Commonwealth Brotherhood is gonna show up. Idk if we'll see Maxson, but definitely a force he sent ahead of himself like how he did with the Commonwealth before he came, personally.

[sonic kettle]

Do we think that Maximus' brotherhood is the more "extreme" one?

[pale merlin]

I think it is if there’s a revolution he pretty much is obligated to be there as a descendant of the guy who literally started the BOS

[untold socket]

Pretty sure he's gonna start a War with Quintus though. Since Quintus wants to take over and Maxson, is far from stupid. He probably knew.

[calm raven]

They definitely seem a lot more culty

[untold socket]

No, Quin's is more extreme, for sure. I spent that last 2 hours reading Maxson's stuff, and he hates exactly what Quintus is doing.

[elder herald]

That post credit thing showed too much!

[sonic kettle]

Isn't maximus in Quintus' brotherhood

[untold socket]

Vice versa.

[drifting pasture]

from what was shown in s1 they've delved a lot more into the medieval and religious aspects of the brotherhood

[elder herald]

That’s what I thought lol

[calm raven]

I feel like the Commonwealth chapter has a lot more firepower and resources though

[pale merlin]

Also isn’t Maxson technically like the head elder because he’s a descendant of OG elder maxson

[untold socket]

Yeah, but it's that specific chapter, not ALL the Chapters.

[elder herald]

They went through novac and starlight drive in

[calm raven]

Especially with connections to the Capitol Wasteland

[pale merlin]

But Quintas has cold fusion

[untold socket]

No, he's above Head Elder.

[pale merlin]

So is he group leader?

[untold socket]

His title allows him to absorb other Elders. It's like Supreme Commander or something like that.

[calm raven]

That is true, and it probably will be the biggest leverage he has

[pale merlin]

I’m sure by now he would be because from what it seems he destroyed the institute

[elder herald]

BOS ending is canon?

[untold socket]

He probably took their tech, too, they're a powerhouse, I don't think Quintus will stand too much of a chance.

[pale merlin]

So hr will be there there is no way the leader of the brother hood doesn’t go to a civil war

[untold socket]

Probably Minuteman/BoS alliance is canon.

[elder herald]

Minutemen! Woo

[pale merlin]

Pretty much it’s either that or minutemen but it’s probably BOS since Bethesda markets BOS so much

[untold socket]

They are going to civil war, that's the point. That's why Dane said, "Commonwealth will destroy us all."

[pale merlin]

No I know. That I mean to say I think elder maxson will be seen

[untold socket]

I'm sure Quintus is gonna defy Maxson, I don't see how he couldn't with his ideology, and with Cold Fusion, and Maxson is in direct opposition to what he's doing. Especially because Maxson I believe, or at least the Commonwealth, is the one who sent reinforcements to Quin in the first place in S1.

[pale merlin]

Yea that’s why we see the prydwn I’m sure they just full on left the commonwealth after destroying the institute as there is nothing left there for them

[untold socket]

I actually don't think that's true, Maxson has a history of bolstering his forces where he conquers.

He took over the Capital Wasteland entirely. It's like 95% BOS controlled.

[pale merlin]

Oh shit I didn’t know that

[untold socket]

It would be silly of him and really out of character to abandon the Commonwealth. He probably bolstered there too - explains where he got the additional Airships/Zepplins.

[pale merlin]

Is that when he fought that intelligent super mutant army?

[untold socket]

Yeah, and the other factions as well. He pretty much took it over.

[pale merlin]

I’m sure the institute had a lot of materials to use for him to make new ships

[pale merlin]

Okay yea I remember reading about how he quelled a uprising of a super mutant army

[untold socket]

Exactly, plus he still has liberty prime. I'm pretty confident that he's playing the long game and looking to expand each key location he cements his Brotherhood in.

[pale merlin]

I only know quelled because it is on my English semester exam tmw

[pale merlin]

Hope we get to see the goat in the show

[untold socket]

Pretty sure this is quoting what's already mentioned in Fallout 4 but -

"As of 2287, Elder Maxson's reign in the Capital Wasteland was uncontested, and his authority and influence were spreading across the East Coast. The Prydwen was a key element of the Brotherhood's power projection, rallying people to his cause. In addition, Maxson had been in contact with other chapters over the years. In the words of Proctor Quinlan, who documented Maxson's rise, "he has the full support of the Elders back on the West Coast, who have proudly reported that they've begun eradicating cults that have popped up, worshipping Maxson as though he's some kind of god." Maxson was offended by the idea of being deified, as it went against his beliefs."

And it's said this his Brotherhood stretches to the Eastern Seaboard, as well. So he is definitely expanding like hell, but also holding it.

[pale merlin]

Yea I’m sure he’s built a bunch of airships by now

[pale merlin]

Where did u find this

[untold socket]

It's in-game in Fallout 4 when you talk to Proctor Quinlan, but im pretty sure the wiki has it too.

[pale merlin]

I’m assuming this is post institute destruction?

Kind of weird they killed the cults instead of just inducting them seem like really loyal soldiers gone to waste

[untold socket]

It documents his entire history, Quinlan has a whole documentry about Maxson's rise if memory serves correct???

[pale merlin]

Oh shit that’s pretty cool

[untold socket]

Maxson is not a religious type, which is why I say he's in direct opposition to Quintus.

[elder herald]

He did?

[untold socket]

Yes.

[elder herald]

Wastelands been tamed? 🙁

Wont be as good to see on TV if they ever go there

[pale merlin]

Well I mean it’s been 200 years but I’m sure at the end of this season the BOS will either be in shambles or be extremely powerful until next season where they are in shambles

[untold socket]

I'm betting extremely powerful, even if the Brotherhood loses these airships. The Brotherhood 1.) Didn't send the Prydwen, none of the airships in the show are the Prydwen. And 2.) Maxson still has the entire East filled with Chapters under his command.

[pale merlin]

WHOA WE DID SEE THE PRYDWN IN THE SHOW IN LIKE THE FIRST WPISODE

[untold socket]

Nope, that is not the Prydwen, it is a different ship.

[pale merlin]

I know that is true I saw the show thrice

[pale merlin]

It says it on the side how could it not be

[untold socket]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Caswennan

[sonic kettle]

Is it only Quintus' Brotherhood that call themselves the Knights of San Fernando

[pale merlin]

I don’t trust that

[sonic kettle]

Rather than just "The Brotherhood of Steel'

[calm raven]

I'm starting to think that the term 'Prydwen' is the specific model of airship, and not ship title

[sonic kettle]

I don't remember other BoS factions having different names?

[untold socket]

It's fine, but it's design is NOTHING like the original Prydwen.

[pale merlin]

No but on s1 in like episode 1 we see an airship with prydwn on the side

[calm raven]

There's the Outcasts, for one

[sonic kettle]

Like the Legit ones not splinter groups

[untold socket]

You are correct. There is only 1 Prydwen - but the Zepplins follow the Prydwen 'model'.

[pale merlin]

I didn’t even read it lmao I just did

[sonic kettle]

Iirc doesn't Maxson combine the Outcasts and East Coast back together

[untold socket]

Yes, he absorbs almost all East chapters into his.

[pale merlin]

W PFP btw I read the comics and I’m reading them a second time and getting a tech jacket comic for Christmas

[untold socket]

It's named Caswennan, it's just modeled after the Prydwen, but it is not the Prydwen.

[pale merlin]

Oh that makes sense

[untold socket]

Image Comics has some of the best, lol Tech Jacket is great - but i definitely recommend Battle Beast's prequel comic. It's so good.

[sonic kettle]

I'm interested what Xander Harkness will be like

[pale merlin]

I saw sum about that on Amazon I wanna get it rlly bad

[pale merlin]

He seems like a crazy dude from what we’ve seen so far

[untold socket]

Curious about that, too.

[calm raven]

It would make sense to put the word "Caswennan" where it already says "Prydwen" but I think of it like the model of a car written on the back

[sonic kettle]

Just I know Kumail plays usually smarmy bastards 😄

Like having Jason Mantzoukas you know you're getting a crazy character

[untold socket]

Yeah, this is pretty much the answer. The Zeppelins follow the Prydwen's designs, but are not the Prydwen itself. The Prydwen is describe to be gargantuan in scale.

[pale merlin]

Good I need some more lf that fallout craziness especially if the goat No Bark won’t be in the new season

[sonic kettle]

I gotta say I really love seeing the old world and it's mounting hysteria

[worthy warren]

Yeah the test alarm scene was great way to show their paranoia

[sonic kettle]

I'm wondering if we see Coop getting divorced and blacklisted after his interaction with House

We know he falls quite far from his current position

[sonic kettle]

I actually felt quite sad seeing it all too

[worthy warren]

The brother and sister eyeing each other up in the incest support meeting was the funniest bit in the show

[dense carbon]

lol, yeah that shit was goofy

Then there’s just the old lady eating snacks the entire time

[verbal escarp]

Then goes into talking about her family trauma, and asking whether or not her dust allergy is from her dad's bad genes

[untold socket]

That was unhinged, watching the Vault Tec rep smile, then watch Coop just see the hysteria and panic ensue.

[worthy warren]

The vault rep knew he was making quota that day lol

[sonic kettle]

I wonder what the consequences of Norm thawing all of Bud's Buds is

I'm surprised he wasn't more angry tbh

[untold socket]

ON GOD.

[untold socket]

Chaos. 🙂

[calm raven]

I loved seeing him kick the syringe off and then holding him back with his foot lol

[untold socket]

Realistically, it looked like they all ended up leaving the vault anyway??? So who knows.

[calm raven]

And it's not like Bud could really do shit about it anyway

[untold socket]

He really couldn't. lmao

[calm raven]

Why a high-ranking VT executive wouldn't just upgrade to a full Robobrain model is beyond me

[faint sail]

the other lady's look of obvious disgust was hilarious

[untold socket]

I bet you any money, they got annoyed with him and gave him a simple task so he could stfu about his ideas. Lol

[calm raven]

Flea soup lady was also goated lmao

[south pumice]

this show washed mr house

[untold socket]

How?

[worthy warren]

They join Hank, we see that in the teaser they are working the desks at the vault ha he ran away to

[south pumice]

he was on the streets testing mind control devices on random protesters

[worthy warren]

How is that washed?

[untold socket]

Are we living in a world where Mr House isn't a bit unhinged? Lol

[worthy warren]

Bro had 31 million in his trunk and punked a bunch of poors

[untold socket]

^

[south pumice]

mr house was always a dick but he feels sort of comically evil

[worthy warren]

He was comically evil lol

[untold socket]

Not really, if you paid attention to anything he said/did, it was very on par for him.

[worthy warren]

He kills anyone who disagrees with him in NV

[untold socket]

He quite literally told you exactly why he did it.

[sonic kettle]

Oh when Lucy is walking down?

[south pumice]

in game mr house at least has a conscious, he prefers a good karma courier and is appaled when the "future of humanity is slavery"

[worthy warren]

In the after credits teaser

[hallow flint]

I thought those were brainwashed people. But it could be that

[untold socket]

He didn't enslave anyone, he used them as a test subject. Which he has done in Vegas btw. He uses people as fodder, this is not new for him.

[worthy warren]

House literally lets the omertàs traffic women into sex slavery

He doesn’t care about people

[untold socket]

Yuuup, he literally hires other Couriers too KNOWING THE DECOYS WILL DIE.

[south pumice]

nr house is not fully aware what goes on in his casinos

he's surprised to learn about the white gloves returning to cannibalism

[worthy warren]

Bro thought the cannibals would stop eating people if he asked nicely lol

[untold socket]

That is such a disingenuous take of Mr house. I enjoy his character more than most, but let's not pretend he's a saint, and cares about moral good. He doesn't care, he does anything and everything for progression.

[south pumice]

first sinclair now mr house

I enjoy the show but I feel it's deliberately making these characters more evil for the sake of the story it's trying to tell

[worthy warren]

If you don’t like the show you know you can just stop watching and play NV right? Where house orders you to genocide multiple groups of people

He’s a manipulator, nothing he tells you is the full truth

[untold socket]

No one is deliberately making anyone evil, it's very on par for him to openly use people as fodder, ot test subjects. Again he's done this before. He quite literally reveled in the fact he drove his own brother to insanity. The guy does not care about moral good. He admits this in Vegas dialogue, he has no interest in moral games.

He does what he believes is necessary, others be damned.

[worthy warren]

Also house sees these unionists as the enemy to progress, he is solving two problems at once

[untold socket]

TRUE

[south pumice]

the brotherhood ARE straight up terrorists and it's completely understandable for him to want them out of the picture