EPISODE 2

[torpid cargo]

Recharger rifle back on top baby whooooo!

[weary sorrel]

Which could then be rectified by having the Enclave using energy weapons left and right due to having MF cells in greater supply.

[coarse grove]

The only Faction seen using energy weapons I believe is the Enclave in S1, but it's also probably likely a choice the showrunners made specifically for whatever reason.

Half the ballistic weapons we see on npcs and background characters in the show don't even exist in Fallout.

[tame current]

Hey btw
Happy birthday :]
Sorry I didn't say anything earlier when I noticed

[cold jetty]

I wonder how much how much Maximus will get to use his laser pistol and if we’ll see any other bos member use energy weapons

[coarse grove]

This I agree with, there isn't a lot of industry going on. And the industry we even see happens to be very specific. The Pitt is only focused on metal, and metallic like materials.
The automation in 76, are very specific. The silos only infinitely create the mini-nukes with the short ranges in Appalachia. Etc etc. But even these scenarios are very niche cases that reinforced the scarcity argument you made cause these are not just flat out accessible by the masses or are shared like that.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I'm hoping for the entire Vegas part he ends up using it but we'll see.

[normal veldt]

What makes the Enclave different from these other factions is that they have way more information about the pre-war world than anyone else (except for Vault-tec perhaps) in the Wasteland

Also I'm pretty sure that Ulysses got the code to control ED-E (East Coast Enclave project btw) from the Big MT

I guess it's probably just an oversight tho

[coarse grove]

It doesn't change the fact that you can have that information, but Big MT remained active the entire time. It's kind of irrelevant if you have the information or not when it's been pretty much confirmed there's only a few people who actually managed to survive in there and none of them are in there with a group, or a large amount of people. It's just been 4 individuals, the Courier, Christine, Ulysses, and Elijah. Which are all exceptions to the rules given their individual skill sets.
It's not just the Enclave, there probably is other factions that might know but view it as a risk. We quite literally don't have a confirmation whether or not the Enclave actual sees value in Big MT or even knows. We can assume, but nothing is concrete.

[high sandal]

A lot of stuff in a universe this big could be made to make sense and we're not gonna be told everything

[coarse grove]

This. We're not gonna get or owed answers to this stuff. We literally just don't know why.

Which is fine.

We don't have to have an answer on it right now.

[normal veldt]

It's probably not gonna matter until they reintroduce the Think Tank in the show (dunno if it'll happen but we did see a Sinclair representing them in S1)

Also I don't think you can fully trust those silly 👁️ 👄 👁️ since they're all crazy most of the time, even that Mobius is crazy

[torpid cargo]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[coarse grove]

I actually don't think any FNV dlcs will be mentioned like that in the show, but who knows. I think people forget the Mojave is mostly being used for it's location, more than anything else. Like they aren't here to bring in anything and everything fnv related.
Mojave just happens to be where our protagonists are, so we're going to get some updates on stuff. But I could be wrong, who knows.

[torpid cargo]

That feels so cheap. Just using a familiar backdrop to draw in viewers, and then hardly incorporate anything from it.

[tame current]

THE LOBOTOMITE RETURNS! WHAT INSIDIOUS PLAN CAN IT HAVE BREWING INSIDE ITS HORRID MIND? WHAT COMMIE ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA WILL IT SPEW?

[coarse grove]

Not really, the DLCs are more important to the Courier specifically, rather than the Mojave. Like I don't expect us to go to Zion, at all. Mentioned? Sure. Maybe a lore blurb or hint at status? Probably, but actually go there? Doubtful. Highly doubtful.

[normal veldt]

Yeah, it does feel kinda cheap
Turning the Mojave into some kinda nostalgia theme park

They'd have to update on some stuff for it to make sense tho

You can't just turn a faction (with multiple endings in FNV) into feral ghouls with perfect hair without some explanation, "fog of war" or not

[torpid cargo]

I wish they had just shown some more travel time. A glimpse at the long 15 and the divide in the distance. Them passing under the Mojave outpost statues. Anything to give us some more world connections in a linear fashion.

[coarse grove]

They can because it's not applicable to the story. Like I said, at best we'll get a lore blurb about it. The Khans took over Novac, all that tells us is that they're around. That's probably the extent of MOST things. It doesn't confirm Papa Khan, doesn't confirm if people from Novac left before, or anything - just a nod to both, really. That's all.
Like are we gonna get an update on the Atomic Wrangler? Sure. Maybe a joke about Fisto? Probably. Are we gonna know if our quest in there helped out their business or not? No. Because it's not relevant.

People forget, this is NOT about FNV - the show has it's own protagonists it's following. Lucy, Max, and the Ghoul take precedent, we're following their stories, and lore adjacent/relevant to it.

The same reason why we get an Operation Anchorage flashback ONLY because the Ghoul's backstory is tied to Anchorage, because it's relevant to him.

[normal veldt]

It's good marketing tho
Todd knows most New Vegas fans would still watch the show (even if a lot them will say that they hate it)

[coarse grove]

I don't disagree, It would be nice if they would've but it's evident they won't.

[normal veldt]

The Khans taking over Novac ain't that weird IMO, Manny was a former Khan (still in touch with the gang if you check his terminal) after all

My concern with Freeside & the Strip is that there's not much you can do without revealing what might've happened 15 years ago (they can't pretend everyone won)

[coarse grove]

I never said it was weird. I'm saying it's an example of how they'll be handling FNV content in general that isn't relevantly tied to the main characters.

Same with Freeside, I promise you none of our quests or content we completed will be given a direct answer to the outcome. A nod towards it, or something a bit more given Freeside is suppose to rally(?) against the Deathclaw and take back the strip, so who knows.

[normal veldt]

So far they've been taking the Primm/Novac route on their way to Vegas, I wonder if those Deathclaws are still living in the Quarry Junction

[coarse grove]

people forget how close the Deathclaws got to Vegas, they were BEYOND quarry junction, they were even beyond Black Mountain - the Deathclaws got literally close to where the fiend territory was.

Right across one of the bridges.

[river merlin]

Ugh

New episode needs to hurry up

Ave true to Caesar!

[normal veldt]

Not sure how you can turn an entire faction into feral ghouls and pretend you didn't give a direct answer to the outcome tho

[coarse grove]

The Kings aren't that large, pseudo-iconic, but not large.
Even then, the only thing that will probably get talked about is HOW they became ghouls.

[normal veldt]

Not large but in multiple endings they got wiped out by various major factions
So the fact you have so many greaser feral ghouls still hanging around Freeside 15 years later means they didn't get wiped out 🤔

[river merlin]

See, we won’t get into the Strip until episode 8… and it’s just gonna be a hundred Mk-2 Securitrons with Yes Man’s face on them

[normal veldt]

Victor is still active tho

[river merlin]

Because Independent is the right ending

[normal veldt]

He's supposed to be disabled if you let take over

[coarse grove]

A bunch of things are included in the endings, but again - you're missing the point. They're not relative to the protagonists of the show.

[river merlin]

It’s not actually Victor until I see the Mean Face Victor pop up briefly

You know what I mean

[coarse grove]

They are relative to the Courier and Courier's decisions, but if the Courier isn't involved. Which is highly likely given Bethesda's approach thus far. There's gonna be no real information on what happened to them specifically, aside from Bethesda's explaination of how they became ghouls.

[normal veldt]

Not talking about Lucy or Cooper, I'm just saying that there's no way they can give us a theme park Mojave for the new story without canonising anything that took place in the game

[coarse grove]

I know what you're saying, but I'm saying the theme park is centered around the characters of the show specifically.

[normal veldt]

I can see that, think we were talking about different topics the whole time lol

[coarse grove]

They're not giving us a general theme park of FNV - they're giving us a FNV theme park, from the perspective of Lucy, Max, and the Ghoul. So everything we see, and get information on, is relative to what's related to what the story around them will bel. Which I agree, is unfortunate, do not get me wrong - I would like to see certain things in the show. But it's just not gonna happen realistically, lol

[torpid cargo]

The main characters shouldn’t be separate from the world. The events of NV would shape the Mojave in very different ways, some of them you just can’t avoid with a casual stroll through the desert.

[coarse grove]

Probably, lol

[river merlin]

Yeah and where are all the Tunnelers? I was told the Tunnelers were gonna take over.

… dang it, that boy Ulysses lied to may.

[normal veldt]

Ulysses has terminal delulu in his head, not that different from Caesar

[river merlin]

The bear and the bull and the bear and the bull and the bear and the

[normal veldt]

Long 15

The divide

"Couwiew, pws tell me to stop"

[river merlin]

I was in a server where you could /cat someone and they were forced to talk like that 🤣

‘Twas saved for the true degenerates

[torpid cargo]

Bull bear bull bear

[modern mesa]

Thanks for your insight 👍

[scenic wolf]

Khans being around does confirm tbh that legion doesn't win the second battle of Hoover dam

Which in turn means that the Caesar we saw in that leak or whatever isn't the one from NV because the courier wouldn't have gotten to the point to take out the tumour for Caesar

[coarse grove]

Yeah this has been revealed it's not caesar and not lanius.

In Amazon's own video.

[scenic wolf]

Makes sense because I don't see Caesar using a Chinese assault rifle

[torpid cargo]

Bet Lanius got beheaded by Ceaser for losing the 2nd battle, and then dying himself after.

[scenic wolf]

Or lanius

No lanius probably died in battle to the courier

Caesar gets ripped to shreds by Houses securitrons in 2 of the endings

And it's already been shown that it's very unlikely the NCR won in NV because they would have a higher presence in the area

So that means the only endings possible are the ones where Caesar gets ripped apart by securitrons after they break out of the weather station bunker in the fort

[coarse grove]

I'm telling you, no body won the battle. I genuinely think the 'fog of war' stuff was just pr speak to not piss people off. There's a lot of things that indicate that if the battle happened, no one won.

Or if they did, they didn't hold it for long.

So it makes the battle irrelevant if they lost it soon after.

A pyrrhic victory, at best.

[scenic wolf]

I've been thinking on something

[dense herald]

You know the guy Hank was talking to on the radio?

[scenic wolf]

They showed victor and he was severely rusted

[coarse grove]

Yes, they also showed house's upgraded securitrons.

[scenic wolf]

Perhaps the cloud from SM somehow made it into NV for a temporary amount of time

[coarse grove]

Yes, what about'em?

[scenic wolf]

Because that would explain the rust on victor

[coarse grove]

Or victor was left to rot, something happened to House, not death, but I imagine something else. Because House should have Securitrons actively being security but we don't see one even at the strip gate anymore.

[scenic wolf]

Hmm

[coarse grove]

Which implies he pulled his securitrons away, or they were destroyed, or something else.

[scenic wolf]

Yea

[dense herald]

I don’t know much about this character but I know we heard that a voice actor who played a computer program in one of the earlier games was going to be in this season, I could be completely wrong because that character could be completely irrelevant but idk

[coarse grove]

And then the strip itself, is overtaken by a Deathclaw of all things.

[scenic wolf]

It's actually very possible that house is still alive he's just been disconnected from his systems like how we can do that in nv

[coarse grove]

It's possible, I know the two popular theories right now are Hank speaking to House, or speaking to an Enclave official of some sort that Hank answered to in the pre-war. Maybe the shadowy guy in the meeting that Barb was looking at in Season 1? We don't know yet.

[coarse grove]

I think this is actually correct. I think he's confined to the Lucky 38, for some reason, but he's not dead.

[dense herald]

I kinda thought the shadowy guy was the other house, I thought they had similar facial structure

[scenic wolf]

No

It's an old man

With white hair

[coarse grove]

But we don't know, we won't know until they reach Vegas, which will give us some answers.

[torpid cargo]

Can’t Victor just switch bodies?

[dense herald]

It’s probably the enclave, what other group could be significant enough to be working behind vault-tec’s back, hell maybe it’s MODUS

[scenic wolf]

Na wouldn't be ai

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's not House.
Vault tec officials don't answer to House on that level - it's gotta be someone higher that Vault Tec would have some level of fear of.

[scenic wolf]

Hank talks about vegas being this persons old stomping grounds

[coarse grove]

Which makes me lean Enclave, but we don't know.

[coarse grove]

If House is alive, YES. This is what makes me more confident that they didn't choose an ending. I genuinely think the only 'canonized' things the Courier did is - survive Benny, kill Benny, deliver the Chip.

[dense herald]

We know the enclave is present from the first season, they had a facility

[violet plover]

Given the apparent theme of factionalism (various BoS chapters, west vs east brotherhood), I'm wondering if Hank might belong to a faction within Vault-Tec, rather than being part of a separate faction

[normal veldt]

If he got disconnected by the Courier then he's not gonna last 15 years (1 year at best allegedly)

Oh and Moore literally said she'll send someone to "take care" of him if you pick the NCR route

[coarse grove]

Could be, Vault Tec employees forming their own Agenda, it's genuinely hard to say.

[scenic wolf]

I think the only factions in vault tec are the average Joe schmo vault tec employees vs the enclave vault tec employees

[coarse grove]

If that is true, then the safer bet is that he's alive.

[winged hedge]

It’d be really funny if it turns out that Yes-Man is just screwing with Hank and pretending to be House to get something out of him

[scenic wolf]

What if Yes man reprogramming himself to be more assertive was just him becoming ai House

[normal veldt]

I guess they can just pretend that the draugr in the pod was his body double the entire time?

[coarse grove]

Haha, falls in lines with the leaks of his original personality, which I think is funny af.

[winged hedge]

Could be a good counter-measure House installed

[dense herald]

Right yeah it said the voice actor for president Eden would be in this season thats who I was thinking of

[scenic wolf]

Really

Interesting

[winged hedge]

Nah, House might just be dead

[weary sorrel]

Or those files he found were a backup plan of House’s; any aberrant AI that accesses said files gets overwritten with a pre-War brain scan of his, maybe?

[scenic wolf]

President Eden could just be a voice on an enclave eyebot in a Commonwealth BOS members flashback or some shit when they were in DC

[coarse grove]

But why? His body double doesn't have his intellect, then they'd have to explain how house survived physically for 200+ years without being a ghoul, and without being in the pod.
It doesn't make sense. The simple answer, is that especially since they hired Justin Theroux, House is alive - probably confined, or limited given the evens of Shady Sands nuking his money. But he's probably alive.

[normal veldt]

Probably
Somehow he managed to upload his personality to Lucky 38 mainframe in the show tho

[winged hedge]

Or he’s being limited by Yes-Man’s shenanigans

[weary sorrel]

And liable to crashout if he finds out who exactly nuked his plans.

[winged hedge]

Yes-Man being in the show would be peak

[winged hedge]

Perhaps he’s been limited for years due to the Courier hijacking him with Yes Man, though I don’t recall if that ending requires you to kill House

[dense herald]

The second house probably isn’t the house though, because house doesn’t like slavery so why would he make something that could make it widespread

[coarse grove]

exactly my point. It makes it so it's relevant to Hank, Lucy, and the Ghoul with him being alive. But also means they can fix his 'problem' which would be Hank.

[normal veldt]

Maybe upgraded himself to become "more assertive" so he can impersonate Mr. House

[coarse grove]

All endings have you kill House, even shutting him 'off' kills him. The reality, that people don't like, is that he's probably alive. lol

Especially with how people on the show hype him up to being an iconic character, and in interviews, they talk about how glad they are to have him on screen.

[winged hedge]

Yeah I’d be fine with him being alive, I’m just saying that Yes Man would be a funny reveal

[coarse grove]

Yes Man is the only character we haven't seen which is strange, I don't know how he'll play in, or if Bethesda will choose to even mention him.

[winged hedge]

I mean we haven’t heard mention of Benny either…but that’s for a reason lmao

Probably got what was coming to him

[coarse grove]

Yeah but if we have heard nothing of Benny - assuming the Courier killed him, that leaves Yes Man's fate in a bind IF House is alive. Because it leaves his character up in the air.

[scenic wolf]

Interesting is that a laser pistol

[coarse grove]

Yes, Magnus pointed it out earlier.

[winged hedge]

Yeah, he’d probably just be hanging around somewhere

Though I’m glad we did see Victor in one of the trailers

[scenic wolf]

Wish they kept the massive unnecessary hand guard

[coarse grove]

Yeah the Victor reveal implies House is active too, cause Victor can't exist without House being alive. If you kill House, or pick Yes Man, Victor's gone.

Plus Victor being super rusted means it's been a looooong time.

[winged hedge]

Yep, that makes a lot of sense

House ending seems to be canon

I suppose that’s expected, after all, the House always wins

[livid prawn]

they gave it to the deagle instead

[normal veldt]

He was never a ghoul, just an extremely shriveled old man that's been alive for way too long, old ppl literally shrink irl
I don't think you can debunk the body double theory until they show us a clip of him being un-alived in Cooper's flashback
The only way for that old body to stay alive is to pick the House route tho, otherwise he's cooked

[coarse grove]

Not canon but - what's canon is that the Courier delivered the Chip to House, and House was never killed.

[winged hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-house-gif-15022420011668474756

[coarse grove]

I never said he was a ghoul. I'm saying he'd have to become a ghoul to survive for 200+ years without being in a cryopod.
We can debunk the body double theory because that's all it is. A body double. Not a clone, a body double. Two separate things. The guy playing House is not House himself, therefore, he doesn't have House's mind, his intellect, or his skill.

[livid prawn]

If you're running brain chip experiments that blow peoples head off you sure as hell should have a body double that the majority of people believe is you

[winged hedge]

Problem is that it’s shown in the show itself the dang chip hasn’t worked in 200 years

It’s unlikely he’d be able to make a body double that successful

[coarse grove]

All the body double does is live up to Robert's persona, and be his public image. It would make absolute no sense, and be horrible writing to have a body double be the one inside the cryopod. Because then how is the REAL House alive else where? And how would he have been alive for so long? It doesn't make sense.

The simplest answer is they didn't kill House. And there's evidence that House is alive based on FNV's own content.

[livid prawn]

I really don't understand what Hank is trying to achieve, is he dumb on purpose?

[livid prawn]

Make?? Its a guy pretending to be him

[livid prawn]

He's just blowing up mice over and over is he trying to find the right frequency?? Clearly they need to perfect the tech more, not what strength its controlling them at

[winged hedge]

Yeah but you said using a mind control chip, the body double wouldn’t be acting of his own volition

[livid prawn]

Did you read what I said correctly?

[winged hedge]

Possibly not

[coarse grove]

Yeah, the Body double is a guy who was probably surgically altered to be like Robert House.
The thing is that people forget - Robert House is based off of the real life Howard Hughes, who used body doubles for his public image when he started to become a recluse.

It's the same thing.

[winged hedge]

Ah I see

Yeah definitely would want a body double

[livid prawn]

People on TikTok who insist its Anthony House actually tick me off a bit even after someone disproves them

[coarse grove]

Yeah but it's probably not that.
The guy is probably working for House willingly, or being paid a stupid amount of 'fuck you' money to do so.

[winged hedge]

Probably

[coarse grove]

It's already been disproven so they can scream into the void, lol

[weary sorrel]

The chip at least worked long enough to get that nuke to the finish line, if nothing else.

[winged hedge]

That’s a fair point

[livid prawn]

The "patrolling the mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter" felt so out of place and forced

You were definetly supposed to point at the screen and go "OHH HE SAID THE THING!!"

[normal veldt]

Well, you were basically saying what I've been trying to say in other replies so nvm

Anyway, so in your opinion the canon ending of FNV is that Courier 6 never completed the main quest besides delivering the chip to House? 👀

[winged hedge]

But the guy CLEARLY was about to die, I mean what sane man repeats “patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter”

[winged hedge]

I think it was just a funny reference

[livid prawn]

I think it was really cool seeing how the NCR looked before it got nuked

[winged hedge]

It’s based on a video game after all, referencing the NPCs and their dialogue is a given

[coarse grove]

Yes, I've operated off of that assumption since the trailers, personally - but more and more evidence keeps coming out in interviews, and reviewers that suggests that's more than likely the case. Because it makes the most sense for what Bethesda is attempting to do, and is the most literate for the media they're trying to tell. But that's just my opinion.

[weary sorrel]

I’d love to see a glimpse of Lucy and Norm’s life in Shady Sands before daddy dearest kidnapped them; if Maximus got a pre-nuke look, why not at least Lucy?

[winged hedge]

I think he did complete the quest, but war never changes, so eventually whatever team he helped destabilized and lost control of the dam

[livid prawn]

Also how did that nuke make that bigass crater

maybe im stupid but

[normal veldt]

Which faction did the Courier pick tho

[livid prawn]

Probably none

[winged hedge]

Probably NCR

Or none

[coarse grove]

He couldn't have. A lot of endings have you wipe out the other factions, and the show confirms the factions are alive and well - if the courier did complete the quest, it would've made the final part of the game irrelevant.

[weary sorrel]

Plus, it’d be kinda weird to be all ‘oh, the Courier was lazy and didn’t complete the main quest, but the LW and Sole Survivor did’.

[livid prawn]

All endings but Houses have you kill him

[coarse grove]

None, that's what I'm saying. The courier's CANON choices stopped at delivering the Chip. A side was never picked, a faction was never chosen.

[winged hedge]

The Khans seem much more spread out, and the Legion seems to be very confined

[coarse grove]

Because if the Courier was involved at the Battle of Hoover dam, it's IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a 'fog of war' approach.

The courier would've tipped the scale.

[winged hedge]

Well, I mean he was just a courier

[coarse grove]

Yes, he was, the events of the game turned him into something else. The Courier was not a god.

[weary sorrel]

Compromise solution, the Courier died in the Divide from that Marked Men army Ulysses sicced on them as a failsafe.

[normal veldt]

Hmm, if it's the case then how can we even be sure that the chip was actually delivered to the Lucky 38?

[coarse grove]

Because we've seen the Securitrons upgraded in the Trailers.

We quite literally get a close up of the upgraded securitron's face.

[modern mesa]

Would the series just be a hybrid of the faction endings/lore and just pick the bits/characters it wants just to make an entertaining show, it wont get everything right, right? Im enjoying it so far

[coarse grove]

Most likely, this yeah. They're picking bits and pieces from FNV to throw into the narrative surrounding the 3 characters. Everything won't be shown.

We're probably not getting DLC content shown, again, maybe mentions - lore blurbs, passing comments, but nothing actively shown.

[livid prawn]

I'm unsure how to feel about endings being canonized but I think canon endings should just be ignored when playing the game and that you might aswell just headcanon a seperate timeline for your runs lmao

[coarse grove]

90% of people headcanon stuff about the endings, but we're not ready for that conversation. 🙂

[livid prawn]

What do you mean? It literally tells you what happens in the ending slides

[terse crypt]

I'm kinda glad that the Allegiant Stadium is used as the new Legion Place

[weary sorrel]

OWB even has the Courier keep watch over Big MT after Hoover Dam as per the ending slides, neatly keeping them out of future events.

[normal veldt]

NCR wouldn't work since Moore explicitly said that she'll send someone else to "finish the job" if you tell her that you didn't kill House after disconnecting him from the system

Ajax might be right, so none

[winged hedge]

Maybe the guy who was sent to “finish the job” couldn’t get him, but yeah that’s a fair explanation

[tame current]

How do we know that's Allegiant lol
For all intents and purposes that could be any stadium in Legion controlled territory

[tame current]

Unless there's some confirming factor

[terse crypt]

Piss Everyone Off Solution:The Courier is the one who was delivering the Nuke to Shady Sands

[winged hedge]

Truly the worst solution

[coarse grove]

Victor can't be active without House, and every ending has you kill him. Victor is shown in the show to be running pretty well off aside from his chasis becoming a rustbucket. But it's not like he was glitching or anything. Plus it seemed like he recognized the Ghoul, too.

[tame current]

Which btw once again I have to ask, where do we think the Legion camp we are seeing is?

[livid prawn]

makes sense considering his past

[normal veldt]

Judging by how incompetent NCR can be... You might be right

[weary sorrel]

I’d legit break something if that’d be the case.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, Moore straight up tells you - "I WANTED you to kill him. Not disable. Someone else will do the job you couldn't." No matter how you try to get around it, House dies.

[tame current]

Is there a place in the Mojave that's that green or smth?

[winged hedge]

Damn, bro just can’t get around without getting fucking killed 😭

[terse crypt]

Mt Charleston and the Cut Area around it

[winged hedge]

House can’t win

[weary sorrel]

The haters keep sabotaging him, I stg.

[winged hedge]

“House always wins” my ass bro 💔

[tame current]

That far west?

[coarse grove]

Yup, because House even says the NCR is a bigger threat than the Legion, in his eyes. But he needs them and uses them for their tourism which makes him stupid rich. The NCR knows this and want him gone.

[terse crypt]

If we're talking in game? Yes

[tame current]

Ehhhhh I'm kinda doubting it

[normal veldt]

Some football stadium that's not too far from Vegas?

[winged hedge]

I just hope Yes-Man is with Victor or something

[tame current]

I'm talking about the one we are seeing in trailers and even in the episode's end
Not in the credits

[terse crypt]

No that's the main one

[coarse grove]

It looked like the Slave brought Lucy to an outpost, or smaller Camp, and they probably bring her to a bigger one. It's hard to say where the location is. By the Mountains maybe in the Mojave? That's the only green i can think off

[livid prawn]

I was about to say "why would she do that" and then I remembered even the slaves of the legion think the legion has saved them and that this is the correct lifestyle

[coarse grove]

Yuuup.

[terse crypt]

Okey dokey

[coarse grove]

Which still gets her fucking killed btw

[terse crypt]

Idk I'll be honest I hate this show with a passion

[livid prawn]

Why

[winged hedge]

It may be possible that the Legion is in shambles and this is one straggling group

[terse crypt]

I'm just watching this to see if Danny Trejo or any new Vegas references outside of the memes comes up

[coarse grove]

It is not, the Legion is actually pretty strong - but is dealing with their own issues.

[tame current]

Ok

[winged hedge]

We know this for sure?

[normal veldt]

They were heading east from Novac so it's not too far from Cottonwood Cove?

[terse crypt]

I'm waiting every Tuesday to get keys jangled around me showing something cool

[coarse grove]

Yes. The Legion has two leaders.

A new Caesar and a new Legate.

[terse crypt]

Like the Courier in their magical gender ambigious self pulling up with a heavy sniper to shoot something down

[coarse grove]

Both are brothers, both are vying for power.

[winged hedge]

Ah, makes sense

[livid prawn]

Surprised they could find a competent leader

[coarse grove]

It was in one of amazon's videos

[terse crypt]

Or Raul pulling up with their vaquero outfit gunning down some legion people

[coarse grove]

we see the two of them together

[terse crypt]

What if the Home Alone Kid IS Courier Six

[winged hedge]

I dunno if the Courier will show up

[coarse grove]

The brothers probably did it together tbh. But it's probably at the point in their relationship where one thinks they can do a better job than the other.

[torpid cargo]

God no.

[coarse grove]

He's the new Legate.

[livid prawn]

Home Alone kid?

did I miss something?

[coarse grove]

Macaulay Culkin

[livid prawn]

Oh

[winged hedge]

They might just never show the Courier and mention him in passing

[livid prawn]

oh nah they did my guy dirty

thats a very unfortunate haircut

[terse crypt]

Why... Yes it's the wasteland

[livid prawn]

Not that kind of dirty

[winged hedge]

There’s a unique lack of competent barbers in the wasteland

[livid prawn]

atp just buzz it all

Also what is that face Caesar is making

[terse crypt]

They're all in new reno

[livid prawn]

Also, cool to see a kalash

[normal veldt]

Yo, do you still have the link for the video that Amazon unlisted on their YouTube channel?
It's too late for me to scroll up 😅

[winged hedge]

I haven’t finished New Vegas, but I assume Reno isn’t in it

[livid prawn]

New Reno is in fallout 2 yeah and not New Vegas

[normal veldt]

Wait what

[winged hedge]

Oh cool, what’s in New Reno?

[livid prawn]

Its like Reno but post-apocalyptic

[terse crypt]

The greatest barbers in the world

[coarse grove]

I can try to find it, if not im sure someone else has it -

[normal veldt]

Mafia stuff, you can knock up a crime boss's daughter

[livid prawn]

That's at the kings school of impersonation

[winged hedge]

The Kings were done dirty 😔

They all feral ghouls now

[terse crypt]

Either way I live in Vegas

I can't wait to see New Vegas stuff

Even though California paid the Fallout People to film in their shithole of a place

Because most of the stuff we've seen so far is just greenery, Vault 31, the Hospital and uhhh Area 51

Which just feels off since the Mojave Chapter is right there but I guess "We can't ruin the Player's Headcanon"

[winged hedge]

Kinda already ruined by Mr. House

[terse crypt]

He just chilling

[winged hedge]

Bro is chilling and pissing off every non-Mr. House fan

[river merlin]

Did the NCR ever come off as competent to anyone playing NV? Just asking.

Because I’m just not seeing it

Continuing a convo from general that should’ve been here

[tame current]

Ehhh
Somewhat
It isn't their main word though, more like disorganized

[terse crypt]

Every faction in NV suffered from Main Character Tumor

[river merlin]

Exactly, extract the tumor and the entire body dies

[tame current]

Oh you said competent?

Yeah no that's debatable

[terse crypt]

Every single faction is depicted as useless without Main Character coming in to save them all

[coarse grove]

Yes, but the issue with the NCR has to do with it's Leadership, which is specifically Kimball.

[terse crypt]

Which really sucks

[coarse grove]

The NCR would actually be the most stable, and enabling but people like Kimball are what stifle it and halt it's progress.

[normal veldt]

Hsu is ok but he's basically trapped in McCarran

[coarse grove]

But that's the trade off you get with democracy. Wrong people can get elected, and bullshit ends up happening.
Applying it to FNV - you can see clearly, soldiers are trying to do good, even Moore specifies this.

But people like Kimball prevent her from doing her job effectively. Same with other base, and camp leaders.

[terse crypt]

Erm it's actually Harry Reid

[coarse grove]

Hsu is a Legion spy, he can die in a hole.

[terse crypt]

Something I'm curious about is Arroyo, it hasn't been shown yet

[normal veldt]

Wait what now

Ur jokin' right

[coarse grove]

I am, I got him confused with Ronald, my bad. lol Ronald can die in a hole.

I always get him and Hsu mixed up.

[terse crypt]

Oh yea crap

Uhhh someone was asking about why I think the football stadium is the Allegiant Stadium

[weary sorrel]

Would be a good choice for the NCR’s current capital if the Hub isn’t for some reason.

[coarse grove]

Didn't they show the stadium location - like the sign in the credits???

[normal veldt]

How did you manage to get the only Asian NCR colonel mixed up with a white Legion spy 😂

[terse crypt]

It's mostly because it's the only football stadium in Vegas

[coarse grove]

Cause you speak to them right after each other. lol

Hsu sends you to Ronald right afterwards.

[terse crypt]

While Cashman is a possible one it's too- open

[tame current]

It was me lol

[livid prawn]

I saw people complaining about the NCR Ranger in the pre-war scene wearing the shoulder guard of the lonesome road riot gear even though both of the armors are pre-war riot armor lmao

[tame current]

Ok?
And like, that's it?

[tame current]

If it did it would be a godsend

[coarse grove]

People find anything to complain about. lmao But it's good because it shows who actually pays attention and who doesn't it.

[terse crypt]

And the T Mobile Arena (Not to be confused with the park in Seattle) is closed but does have hockey stuff

[tame current]

I didn't remember seeing such a thing though but I have 0 perception so yeah

[livid prawn]

It makes 100% sense that they'd hodge podge the ingame armors since the Vet Ranger gear isn't heavily regulated

I think a ranger would prob even be allowed to use the Gobi Campaign "ranger" gear

[terse crypt]

Forgive me Mama

[tame current]

I'm not necesarily convinced this was Vegas
Though we don't know anything yet since we don't have Episode 3

[livid prawn]

They looked at the lucky 38 before the flea soup scene in episode 1

[tame current]

I'm talking about the Legion stadium from the credits

[livid prawn]

Oh mb

[tame current]

Nah youre good

[livid prawn]

Can't imagine its that far though

[normal veldt]

Just went back to check... So apparently Picus (Ron Curtis) was voiced by an Asian guy and Hsu was voiced by a white dude

I can see why that can be confusing 😅

[coarse grove]

You're correct, plus it's not even the biggest infraction.
The Armors themselves a relatively designed closely, and the riot gear is just more armored versions of the ranger dusters.
It's really nothing to complain about.

[coarse grove]

I mean that has nothing to do with it for me, I usually just forget if it's the first person you talk to that's the spy, or the second one.

[terse crypt]

I don't get the flea soup scene tbh

[livid prawn]

wdym

[terse crypt]

To me it just felt like gross humour

[coarse grove]

Wastelanders being wastelanders.

Wastelanders are gross?

[livid prawn]

Its a random encounter

Something like that could definetly have been even in the original fallout

[coarse grove]

This ^

[terse crypt]

I just felt like Deathclaw Eggs would've been a better food

[coarse grove]

How many times do we get 'strange meat' fed to us.

[livid prawn]

But if that was a thing you'd complain about "Ohh how'd this old lady get deathclaw eggs"

[weary sorrel]

Now if only we had that bridge keeper random encounter.

[normal veldt]

Guess you haven't been playing FNV for quite some time then?

[coarse grove]

No it's literally just my brain confusing the two, I haven't done a Legion playthrough in a long while specifically.

[coarse grove]

Deezer's "special" lemonade.

[tame current]

I'm not particularly proud about the fact my first playthrough was a Legion one

Glad I got that out the way at least

[terse crypt]

Ehh fair but Deathclaw Omelet would be funny

[livid prawn]

-# theres an NPC in fallout 1s random encounters that tries to sell you broken down cars and just denies that they're broken like "nah nah they work g buy one"

[terse crypt]

Either way I'm not the type to complain about everything

That's what Mauler and the Other Guys are there for

[livid prawn]

Who?

[terse crypt]

"The Fallout Show is Bad" Brigade

[livid prawn]

Oh.

I did laugh when she just scratched her head for the fleas though
I was expecting like a bigass radflea but no its just regular fleas lmfao

[terse crypt]

I just thought it would be neat if the old lady is selling Deathclaw Omelet das all

[coarse grove]

Legion was my 3rd, i think.
I just think it's funny majority of their content got cut. Which explains the disjointedness of it.

[terse crypt]

Now if only they have Geckos in the show that would be neat

[livid prawn]

they introduced radscorpions in this one maybe geckos are next

[terse crypt]

Oh yeah speaking of which

[coarse grove]

This, i was expecting her to like dig her hand into like a cage or something and drop a handful of fleas or flies in the soup.

[livid prawn]

Wasn't Ulysses gonna be a big part of contributing to the legion being morally gray

[terse crypt]

I am surprised at how scary they made the rad scorpions

[coarse grove]

Ulysses was supposed to be a COMPANION.

In the vanilla game.

[livid prawn]

Yeah I know but I heard something about him making them more morally gray

They cut him because he yapped so much

[coarse grove]

He was supposed to have a bunch of dialogue on everything, him being i think the most neutral character.

[terse crypt]

Ulysses is a fence sitter?

He's just like me

[livid prawn]

Remember that someone always owns the fence

[coarse grove]

Ulysses was supposed to be the character to get you to see the morally 'grey' outlook on the Legion. Like kind of the character to get you to see the bigger and better picture.

[livid prawn]

Yeah

But all we got is "Ohh they keep the caravans safe!"

[terse crypt]

Here's the big picture: War never changes

[normal veldt]

And he'll get mad at you if you don't pick a side in Lonesome Road

[terse crypt]

One thing Im very curious about is where the hell is that hospital from

[coarse grove]

Yeah, he was supposed to offer more. Which is super interesting because in the recent Alpha, beta leaks for FNV - they managed to recover all of his old dialogue revolving around it. Mind you, idk if it's canon, but it gives insight to what the original Legion story was supposed to be like.

[livid prawn]

nevada

[terse crypt]

Maybe it's just a fictional Hospital

[livid prawn]

did you know the lucky 38 isnt real

[coarse grove]

Lol

[livid prawn]

actually nvm they made it this year

[terse crypt]

Yes it is

It's based off the strat

[terse crypt]

He would've been 5 years old at that time ❤️

[livid prawn]

Mr. House definetly knows brainrot

[torpid cargo]

Mr House was raised on coco melon

[livid prawn]

ipad kid 100%

[livid prawn]

You're actually right since he was orphaned

I think thats against the rules

Dunno

[terse crypt]

One thing I dislike about Fallout 2

Is how Lucy abandoned the Ghoul AGAIN

[torpid cargo]

No memes

[livid prawn]

Giving the stimpak to Tunic instead of him was the dumbest decision ever

[terse crypt]

"The consequences of your actions" like Ok

[livid prawn]

To be fair though Coop could've told Lucy that she was a slave

They've met before

[weary sorrel]

What did y’all expect from a Vault 33 dweller? I swear, other than Norm, everyone in that tri-Vault would make Fantastic look like Einstein.

[terse crypt]

I know Lucy is supposed to be the dumb Vault Person Stereotype but COME ON at least have Lucy trust the Ghoul a bit more?

Like "Hey that's fucked up you killed that slave's husband but I'm sure you did it for a good reason"

[coarse grove]

The incest couple killed me.
"We can finally talk about it and be accepted right?"

Like bro. 😂🤣

[weary sorrel]

With any luck, Lucy’s time in Legion captivity will hopefully beat this mindset out of her.

[terse crypt]

Ok bro

[livid prawn]

So anyway I started blasting

[terse crypt]

What if the Courier is a woman and introduced equal rights to The Legion ????

[coarse grove]

idk if beating it out of her, but I'm hoping she'll come to realize, it's okay to kill Slavers.

[weary sorrel]

I meant beating more in terms of ‘shaping up’, my bad.

[livid prawn]

Can't expect God to do all the work

[terse crypt]

Why would the Home Alone Kid beat up an innocent Woman like Lucy that's just evil

[weary sorrel]

But really, if S1 didn’t slap sense into her, her best option really is a bit of time in Legion time-out. Worst case, she overcorrects for a bit until a happy equilibrium is reached.

[normal veldt]

They never said he's the husband? He's just another slave, didn't seem like a legionary and Cooper slit his throat without any good reason (when he's clearly asking for help)

[tired yew]

It will not

[terse crypt]

Idk I'm just assuming

[tired yew]

She's principled, not stupid

[tired yew]

The legion taking male slaves is pretty weird usually they either kill or absorb any captive men

[torpid cargo]

Character development? Nah can’t have that.

[terse crypt]

I am just shocked at the Novac Introduction tho

[weary sorrel]

I’d say that stunt at the hospital was very much a stupid move; principles or not, it makes no sense to make someone like the Ghoul angry just because he did a not-so nice thing.

[normal veldt]

In Cottonwood Cove you'll find a whole family being sold as slaves, including the son

[terse crypt]

I didn't expect Lucy to be a cold hearted Killer

[coarse grove]

🙏🏿 This, a thousand times this.
Her principles are believing people can change. People need to also understand, Lucy is not privy to the information WE are. She only knows what she's been fed in the Vault.

But, she does need to adapt.

[terse crypt]

But I was expecting Lucy to at least- kill the Khan's during that scene?

[tired yew]

When it comes down to it she made a reasonable decision given the situation and her 'minimize damage' mindset

[terse crypt]

Is it me?

[coarse grove]

Yes, because you are privy to the information of what the Khans have done, or do.

Lucy is not.

She has no idea wtf a Khan even is.

She's principled but ignorant.

[tired yew]

Most likely the son is gonna end up a legionairre. Everyone in the legion is a slave, but only the women are in rags doing slave work

[weary sorrel]

Certainly not saying she has to go full psychotic murderhobo either, but this current mindset of hers at bare minimum is liable to get her killed or worse.

[terse crypt]

Like I was expecting Lucy to shoot everyone or maim every Khan

But hesitated on the last guy so the Ghoul finished off the last guy

Idk maybe I was just expecting a lot after what Lucy is after Season 1 Ending

[coarse grove]

Lucy just wants to hold her Father accountable, if im being honest? I don't even think it's fully registered what her Father did, to her Mother and all those people. The scope of it all.

[terse crypt]

I just want Lucy to be more seasoned to be less gullible

[normal veldt]

Canyon Runner: "It's a weak bunch, to be honest. I'd rather have extra currency to buy supplies or better captures off traders. There's a boy, too old to be trained as a Legionary. Normally they have to die, but he's too frail to make trouble. The old woman's dried up, but she could keep house or do gardening - if she can learn to keep her mouth shut. The girl's the only one of real value, young enough to breed, not hideous to look at. What's your offer for the lot?"

They don't like to leave adult men alive but there are exceptions

[terse crypt]

More competent less "Aww I don't want to shoot this guy can't I just spare him?'

[tired yew]

Could just be that they're uncommon then

[weary sorrel]

That isn’t a bad desire, it just needs a bit of tweaking in the methodology from, say, putting him on trial, to either giving him a lead third eye or some other creative method.

[normal veldt]

At least your logic can help explain why Cooper killed him without a second thought

He probably just assumed that all adult men associated with the Legion are rapist Roman larpers

[tired yew]

Given the situation it's a fair assumption

[coarse grove]

Yeah of course.
The thing to remember too, Lucy is an allegory to every Fallout player attempting to be good their FIRST time in the Wasteland. Most people, not all, but most people try not to be like how the ghoul is on their first introduction to the setting.

[tired yew]

With the woman he has no reason to expect harm but two helpless slaves in a hospital sounds like a legion ambush waiting to happen, one of them being male would just make him suspicious

[terse crypt]

I'll be honest I didn't even put two and two together that the woman was a slave

[weary sorrel]

Ghoul certainly could do with a bit more explaining from time to time.

[tired yew]

Although I don't understand why he's so hostile to them if he does know who they are

[terse crypt]

I just thought it was more of a fiend ambush than legion related

[tired yew]

He knows they aren't legion themselves which is probably why he didn't tell Lucy they were slaves

[tired yew]

Nah the clothing is legion slave attire 1:1

[terse crypt]

I personally blame it on the greeneryI

OH YEAH SHIT

Speaking of greenery

[weary sorrel]

The red X on that clothing made it very clear.

[terse crypt]

the other place that has foliage in the mojave

is that vault with the plant problem

[tired yew]

Also the comment about them being pretty far west

[terse crypt]

Vault 22

[tired yew]

There are a few relatively lush places, and the hospital + vault 24 aren't actually anywhere specifically in the Mojave yet

They could just be in a pocket of the region not illustrated in the show

[normal veldt]

How did they get sidetracked like some newbs after they left Novac?

[tired yew]

If they're near a hospital they could potentially be in the north assuming they didn't go down the long 15

Although yeah Novac means they're in the south

[tired yew]

Hank

They're tracking Hank and Hank fucked around in 24 so their path changed

[normal veldt]

But they definitely said they're going to Vegas after Vault 24 tho

[weary sorrel]

Would be interesting to try and draw Lucy and Coop’s route in the Mojave.

[coarse grove]

The Vault is also by the mountains near Jacobstown, which is full of foliage up there too.

[tired yew]

Yeah but not necessarily the way we do in the game

We have absolutely no idea where they actually are relative to Novac or Vegas right now

[weary sorrel]

At least they hopefully didn’t take the Quarry Junction route to Vegas.

[tired yew]

Quarry junction is probably abandoned by now

Hmm, are there any valleys near cottonwood cove

[terse crypt]

Best guess I could make

[tired yew]

Seeing how Lucy ends up at the fort should be illuminative about where the hospital incident happened given that it was relatively close to legion territory apparently

[terse crypt]

They're in Baker

Or Novac

Went to Vawult 24 which is probably Southwest of Vegas

[tired yew]

Southwest or potentially just south, hard to say

[terse crypt]

Like very south west even more south west than anthem

[tired yew]

Although Hank didn't actually go to Vegas so perhaps they aren't even heading towards Vegas yet

[terse crypt]

South of Boulder city maybe?

[river merlin]

Episode 8 is titled The Strip so honestly I think they won’t get there til then

Which sucks

[terse crypt]

Then Lucy accidentally stumbled upon a Legion Base

[tired yew]

That's alarmingly close to hoover dam

[terse crypt]

Like I'm saying very very South

then they stumbled upon a legion place

thewn they got transported to The Fort

[coarse grove]

Are we sure it's the Fort? I haven't seen anything confirm they're there, again.

[normal veldt]

Isn't Cooper supposed to go to Camp Golf in the next episode? So it should be close to Lake Las Vegas

[coarse grove]

Episode 4 is for Cooper.

[tired yew]

True it could be another legion base

[terse crypt]

Also true I'm just g uessing

The Mojave is very expanded compared tro the limited New Vegas

[tired yew]

But I doubt they've managed to push through the dam if Vegas is still somewhat intact

[coarse grove]

I wasn't trying to disprove anything, was just curious. Cause from descriptions it sounded like the Legion scrambled, then re-grouped? But I could've misread.

[normal veldt]

And he's gonna have a chat with a (probably former) NCR trooper about Anchorage apparently

[tired yew]

We've gotten information about the legion in the show?

[tired yew]

Former and still in uniform would be odd

Probably just stranded

[terse crypt]

especially considering they went for the Concpet Art New Vegas

[normal veldt]

They never pulled out?

[tired yew]

Never completely

[weary sorrel]

Don’t recall there being giant chasms smack bang in the middle of the Mojave though.

[normal veldt]

Why are they still there, just to suffer?

[coarse grove]

In the interviews, they described the Legion as two factions.

Implying that each brother controls a portion.

So one controls half, the other, the other half.

[tired yew]

The NCR's upper command structure was literally vaporized so them not being able to put together a coherent plan early on would make sense, and since then it seems to be some cascading problems

[coarse grove]

Someone said the tram, or monorail was connected to Shady Sands from Vegas, if that's true then that would explain SO much on why so much stuff got abruptly halted.

[tired yew]

I'm very curious about the brothers

[normal veldt]

Where can I find the first picture, wiki?

[coarse grove]

Same, it is very Romulus and Remus coded, which I'm personally okay with.

[tired yew]

In any case I doubt they've crossed the river, so they're either operating out of the fort or some other fort adjacent camp in that area

[coarse grove]

Actually we can review some Shady Sands pictures - does it even look like there's a train or tram station in Shady Sands?

[normal veldt]

But being stuck in the Mojave for 15 years sounds insane, it's almost like some kinda Imperial Japanese shenanigans

[weary sorrel]

Reminds me of the whole spat between Geta and Caracalla in the Roman Empire.

[coarse grove]

or even rails?

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it does.

[tired yew]

Not clear although I also doubt what we see of shady sands is necessarily entirely inclusive

They have a lot of major debris scattered around the city so we could just not have visibility on it

[river merlin]

Imperial Japanese? Where?!
💥

[coarse grove]

Very true.

[normal veldt]

Wait really?

[river merlin]

Let me at ‘em!!

[tired yew]

I don't think that's remotely true

[coarse grove]

Yeah, like I said i don't know if it's true or not. It's something to keep in mind, or look into.

I'll probably look into it before I rule it out completely.

[tired yew]

The only monorail we see out of Vegas is the McCarran one

If there was a monorail connecting shady sands to Vegas the legion would never stand a chance

[normal veldt]

I hope it's still operational and runs on time (House Ending)

[tame current]

What type of detour did they take for them to be from literally not that far off from Vegas to a hospital in a green area

[torpid cargo]

It’s made clear there is a train that runs from Boulder City back west, because where else would they be sending all the concrete they’ve been mixing?

[coarse grove]

Huh, fair enough.

[tired yew]

Novac is still a while off from Vegas, and there seems to be a chance they weren't actually going to Vegas yet

[coarse grove]

I didn't think of that.

[tired yew]

Fortifications along the frontline?

[coarse grove]

It does beg the question if the NCR would have the system run through Shady Sands, then along into Vegas.

[normal veldt]

Cooper doesn't have a pip-boy, he can't see the quest markers and Lucy is a n00b

[terse crypt]

My guess? Around Nevada

Like South West Nevada

[torpid cargo]

Probably not anymore since Shady is now a hundred miles further away from the Mojave than before basically

[terse crypt]

And I'm just gonna use this cope- it's been 200 years foliage can grow magically around the mojave desert

[tired yew]

Putting manufacturing plants for California in Boulder City which famously was literally the first place the legion hit after the dam doesn't make a ton of sense

[torpid cargo]

Their after the limestone in quarry junction, maybe that resource is harder to get west.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, that's why I was confused when someone said they saw a train system in Shady Sands. If they moved the Shady Sands location - that would mean the NCR built a train system to run into shady sands, then connect the monorail or train system in boulder city to it.

But it would take so long though.

Idk.

[normal veldt]

That reminds me, the NCR were rebuilding railway tracks in the Mojave iirc

Then the Powder Gangers happened

[torpid cargo]

Shady Sands does have a rail system. Except it’s a much smaller tram metro that probably doesn’t go anywhere outside the city.

[tired yew]

The NCR is also not really adept enough to start running new monorails

[coarse grove]

Fair, okay. That could've been it.

[tired yew]

19th century trains maybe, we don't know, but they can barely keep the McCarran one operational and can't repair significant damage to it

[terse crypt]

around this area but expanded

[coarse grove]

It will be something I'll keep an eye out for in the future. Maybe we'll get an answer to it, maybe not.

[tired yew]

If they could connect Vegas to shady sands that would completely change the face of the Mojave campaign

[normal veldt]

Maybe trees just started growing along the Colorado River, it's been 15 years after all

[terse crypt]

This is where the magical Hospital probably is: around this big area

[tired yew]

The soil quality could've somehow improved significantly

[turbid radish]

Wasn’t half of the reason the NCRF existed to help build the railroad to reconnect Cali and Vegas

[terse crypt]

Maybe someone G.E.C.K'd all over the place?

[coarse grove]

Yes, it was.

[normal veldt]

The prisoners revolted so that plan was already a failure before the game even started

[tired yew]

They were doing something with building railroads but definitely not a monorail

[coarse grove]

Hence why I was curious if they had more people aside from just the one, singular NCRF doing it, but elsewhere.

[turbid radish]

They likely did, but the NCRF was likely one leg of the railroad not all of it

[coarse grove]

I agree.

[turbid radish]

The railroad was fairly functional in Vegas area, it’s how they got the stone from the quarry to bolder

I would assume it was fairly functional in Cali

It’s just the connection that wasn’t functional

[terse crypt]

"Why is there Foliage in New Vegas"

[normal veldt]

I think they were planning to build it on the route that leads to Quarry Junction?

[turbid radish]

There is foliage in Nevada

[terse crypt]

Sierra Nevada and M t Charleston Naturally

[normal veldt]

Gavin is probably a Fallout fan 😂

[tired yew]

This is fantastic news

[turbid radish]

Weird direction to take this convo

[tired yew]

Do we have placement for the Madre and big mountain perchance

[coarse grove]

Not an exact, no.

[turbid radish]

Roughly

But yeah it’s just cardinal “this area”

[coarse grove]

I think the only non-rough location is the Long 15, and the Divide, yes? and Zion

[tired yew]

Divide and Zion are pretty specific yeah

[torpid cargo]

The only tracks leading west go through the Mojave National Preserve, and unfortunately the bridge is gone. So I don’t think there is any rail connection to New California from the Mojave.

[turbid radish]

The divides borders are still rough

[tired yew]

I'm just wondering if the brotherhood airships would've passed through that region

[coarse grove]

Okay, didn't know if they would've been solidified.

[normal veldt]

Will we even get to see Big MT and Sierra Madre in the show? I'd love to but I kinda doubt it

[coarse grove]

Unlikely. Highly unlikely.

[normal veldt]

Looks like we might head back to Cali for S3

[turbid radish]

Their story’s have been told, not much living left to use for stories

[coarse grove]

This. ^

[tired yew]

Very unlikely but they did put Sinclair in the meeting so more references or hints to both could show up

[coarse grove]

Max, Coop, and Lucy's stories are unrelated to the DLCs, at BEST we'll get loose mentions or short cameos like we saw with Sinclair and Big MT in Season 1, but that's it.

[tired yew]

They also supposedly have impacts on weather patterns which would be relevant for the airships

[tame current]

It actually might be
Look how lush the area is IRL

[tired yew]

So they go through there then Lucy gets sidetracked with the slave and ends up in a lush valley-like area

[normal veldt]

I sure hope so, they need to find a scene where they can play Begin Again, cos that's gonna be peak

[tired yew]

Which would probably mean going east of there

[torpid cargo]

Green? In my fallout? Blasphemy

[tired yew]

The fallout 3 in question

[tame current]

Actually holy gospel, my friend
The holy FO2 teaches of us this

Praise be

[river merlin]

Praise Goris

[coarse grove]

Praise the Omnissiah - wait, wrong franchise.

[normal veldt]

Hmm, when will we get to see a living Super Mutant in the show 🤔
It's probably this season, right? Cos that deep voice in the trailer kinda reminds ppl of Marcus

[tired yew]

Probably

[coarse grove]

This season.

Unless that voice was not a super mutant, definitely this season. Cause it was in the "This season in Fallout" trailer, im pretty sure.

[tired yew]

I can't imagine who else it would be

[normal veldt]

An intelligent deathclaw?

[tired yew]

That would be an insane plot line to go down

[torpid cargo]

More questions that will never be answered

[coarse grove]

please no

i'd rather it be some random mutant, lol

or Marcus

but preferably a Super Mutant.

Having more friendly, or socially adjusted Super Mutants is needed.

I don't mind them being antagonists, but have a sect be clearly anti-human, and others who are willing and wanting to be accepted, same as ghouls.

[normal veldt]

I wonder if they'll mention Black Mountain

[deep drum]

This season isn’t as strong as the first imo

The brotherhood part is very confusing to me, it feels out of character for them to have knife fights to the death in front of the overseers lol

also why is this indian dude rocking elder maxons fit

and his hairstyle

[coarse grove]

It's very on par when you view them as a faction that's devolved far from the roots, and acknowledging that while the West WAS the Heartland of the BoS, it no longer is.

[deep drum]

Still tho from what I understood the brotherhood has strict rules and values knowledge over violence

Tbh they act more Enclave than brotherhood in the show

[torpid cargo]

Yeah to anyone who has only seen a passing glance at fallout 4, would probably think that was supposed to be Maxson.

[deep drum]

Is it not literally the same outfit hairstyle and beard

[coarse grove]

NOT if a faction has devolved. That's what devolved means. Lol. They have lost their way, the Western brotherhood is like a display of implication, "They've fallen from Grace" when the Brotherhood in the West was super strong but after constant setbacks, while the East flourished, this outcome is realistic.

[deep drum]

Fair I guess

Also I think the writing is kinda weird so far

feels kinda weak

like everyone’s exploding into gore for no reason

Hank is supposed to be gathering research or whatever but I don’t see how making shit explode over and over gives you any valuable data LOL

[coarse grove]

Kind of, it makes me wonder how many people actually have looked at Maxson's coat, and how many have actually seen a bomber jacket, cause they're not the same. Maxson's coat is WAAAAY longer, and colored differently with more latches, etc etc.

[deep drum]

what happened to the creative kills why is everything just exploding now

[eager folio]

So what you are saying is that person in the episode is not maxson son?

[coarse grove]

No, the age would make zero sense.

[deep drum]

also, how does the ghoul have the energy to kill all those great khans if he was literally suffocating from a noose for like a minute straight

[coarse grove]

Maxson is only 29 as of the show.

[eager folio]

He adopted one

[torpid cargo]

So he was 19 in Fallout 4?

Damn

[coarse grove]

He adopted someone elderly or around his age?

[deep drum]

also, how does norm have the energy to climb up a long ass ladder like that while he is suffering from starvation

[coarse grove]

He was 20, just turned i believe.

[deep drum]

like nothing makes sense so far

[coarse grove]

Maxson started rising to power when he was like 12 years old

when he killed a Deathclaw

[normal veldt]

Cos these chapters are basically no better than raiders with tech fetishes, the writers don't want you to feel sorry for them when they get their ahh kicked

Also Kumail Nanjiani is Pakistani, his character Xander Harkness is a paladin from the Commonwealth

[eager folio]

Commitment and sheer will

[deep drum]

I’m thinking that guy is a double for Maxon

[eager folio]

Beside youll be suprised how resiliant a person can be even when going hungry

Not with water however

[coarse grove]

Ghouls are super resilant, but i mean most people aren't gonna understand new Ghoul lore unless they look it up. Keep in mind it's consistent when in Season 1, the ghoul got riddled with bullets and walked them off like nothing.

[deep drum]

Resilient yes, physical strength no

[coarse grove]

He's not, he's an entire new character named Xander Harkness.

[deep drum]

Bullets is different idk

[winged hedge]

Fallout provides a decently realistic outlook as to how chapters of massive factions can differ heavily in ideology at times, which I like

[eager folio]

And next season they cahnge it because yes

[deep drum]

i guess ur right

but I think suffocation would do a lot more to a ghoul than bullets

[coarse grove]

Doubtful it's consistent with Fallout 76, everything lines up for all the new changes they made from there. They're just reinforcing it here.

[winged hedge]

Seems like artificial ghouls can be made

[coarse grove]

The tankiest none PA build in F76 is a ghoul, because of how much brunt damage, physical damage and immunities they have.

[eager folio]

Now to see that 76 is basically their, how do we fix the lore

[deep drum]

mb southeast asian*

[winged hedge]

So unfortunately, no supermutant theory 😔

[coarse grove]

Ghouls are literally resistant to diseases, now.

[deep drum]

Anyway norms part still doesn’t make sense

He isn’t a ghoul

[coarse grove]

They don't catch them. Unless a specific disease is designed for their biology, things that would kill humans, no longer kill ghouls.

[winged hedge]

Ghouls are kinda just weaker Deadpool

[torpid cargo]

Seems the only downside to ghouls now is no nose and no hair. Don’t even have to worry about rotting skin..

[normal veldt]

Even in Fallout 4, Gage from Nuka World would try to compare BoS with raiders, even tho we know now that Maxson's chapter is actually way better than the rest of them

[coarse grove]

Yeah but Gage is also based with hot-takes.

[deep drum]

They literally showed more ghouls that had rotting skin and hair

[winged hedge]

Super healing factor, resistances, super strength, in exchange for one fugly look

[deep drum]

albeit they were feral ghouls

but The Ghoul Cowboy man in the show isn’t the same as ferals

[winged hedge]

True

[deep drum]

The Ghoul is less ghoulified

so he isn’t as ugly

[deep drum]

This doesn’t make sense tho, we literally encounter the BoS in new Vegas and they are chill asf

[winged hedge]

Also, it seems like the Ghoul is just addicted to Jet, right?

[eager folio]

Hmm
At this point, i have to go and install 76 and play it again

[coarse grove]

No, he is entirely a ghoul. He's following the exact lore that Bethesda has written, they did it specifically because of the Ghoul. So this is just incorrect.

[deep drum]

I didn’t say he wasn’t a ghoul

[winged hedge]

Like whatever he’s inhaling seems to me like it’s just Jet

[normal veldt]

Yes, that collar feels chill AF on my neck

[deep drum]

I said he’s less ghoulified than ferals

there are levels to ts

[coarse grove]

They've been using it to recontextualize, and reintroduce plots. 76 was originally supposed to have Roger Maxson himself in the game but he was cut.

[tired yew]

He's more intact, not necessarily less ghoulified

[deep drum]

idk not chill I guess but more civilized

[winged hedge]

Ghouls, Feral Ghouls, Glowing Ones, and shudder…Ghoul Reavers

[deep drum]

like the brotherhood in new Vegas aren’t the type to do knife fights in front of the overseer

Doesn’t make sense

[coarse grove]

Reavers were a menace in 3, im glad that didn't carry over. lol

[eager folio]

Alright you convinced me to play the game

[tired yew]

Feral ghouls were originally the result of the brain specifically degrading, I assume something similar is still used

[deep drum]

Yup

I wanna see far harbor in the show

[winged hedge]

I was absolutely terrified of them in Fallout 3, and I was maxed out on levels when I met them

[deep drum]

And I wanna see those giant hermit crabs in 18 wheeler shells

[winged hedge]

Those fuckers are wayyy to jacked up

[deep drum]

I also wanna see centaurs

[torpid cargo]

Ghoul mask

[winged hedge]

I wonder if they’ll head to the East Coast

[tired yew]

They're different but not chill
The descent into petty regional differences and more religious dogma is definitely a recent development though

[deep drum]

And I wanna see the institute

[tired yew]

The institute is definitely gone

[deep drum]

True

[coarse grove]

It makes sense if you follow their lore. Each chapter of the brotherhood has different ranks, follows and focuses on different parts of the codex, and also behaves differently.
They're not chill, they literally slap a bomb collar to your neck without Veronica, and they murder Followers of the Apocalypse because they claim they can.

[winged hedge]

So that I can see my boy Liberty Prime once again

[deep drum]

But maybe the synthetic gorillas survived

[deep drum]

Idk still

[torpid cargo]

Lmao

[coarse grove]

[deep drum]

ALL I WANT IS LIBERTY PRIME

[tired yew]

I don't think each chapter has different ranks per se, all the west coast chapters before the show that we saw used basically identical rank systems

[deep drum]

I need to see him on the big screen

I also wanna see X-01 power armor

[coarse grove]

A lot have different rank formations and ranks that don't exist anywhere else.

[tired yew]

The east coast chapters are similar, in fact before the show it's mainly just an east vs west divide structurally

[winged hedge]

The chillest group is probably the ones in the Capital Wasteland

[deep drum]

And X-02 power armor

And fuck it ALL POWER ARMORS

[eager folio]

Its similar but they order it is different
Like knights dont pa in some of the games but some do

[tired yew]

The NV chapter is almost identical to lost hills except it has a single elder instead of a council and no high elders

[coarse grove]

Like the rank you get in the East, in 76 exclusively exists in the Appalachia because of the circumstances there. They literally tell you, "Because of the situation here, we're making this new rank specifically for people like you."

[deep drum]

I sound like such a nerd rn

[winged hedge]

I need to hear “DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE, COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE” on the big screen

[tired yew]

Which would not fly in any other chapter for a few reasons

[coarse grove]

Yes, that's my point.

[deep drum]

COMMUNIST DETECTED ON AMERICAN SOIL

[tired yew]

Meaning it's probably a one off

[winged hedge]

laser blast

[coarse grove]

Not if other Chapters do similar stuff to that. And have ranks that don't exist outside of said chapter.

[tired yew]

Creating new ranks willy nilly is absolutely not a popular doctrine in the brotherhood pre show

[deep drum]

God I love fallout 4

and 3

[tired yew]

Which no other chapter does

[eager folio]

They do?
Huh what is it

BoS helper?

[normal veldt]

Mostly cos they almost got wiped out by the NCR and McNamara knows that he's gonna need some help from an outsider

If you help Hard-line Hardin become Elder he'll make his chapter act more aggressively (like asking you to take out the Silver Rush cos they sell energy weapons to anyone in Freeside)

They'll also set up checkpoints in the Mojave and "confiscate" high tech stuff (mostly weapons ofc) from any wastelanders they see

[deep drum]

Grand Wizard

[weary sorrel]

Liberty Prime stomping on Quintus and his gaggle of techno-raiders would be glorious.

[coarse grove]

Knight-errant only exists in Appalachia.

[deep drum]

Dang

[eager folio]

Huh interesting

[deep drum]

Ig im just used to my goat elder maxon

[tired yew]

Knight errant is also the only example of that happening

[winged hedge]

Truly

[coarse grove]

Not really but pop off, lol

[tired yew]

The NV/California/DC/Commonwealth chapters don't do that

[winged hedge]

WAIT, THERE’S A CHANCE

[tired yew]

They all use slight variations of identical ranks

[deep drum]

Elder Maxson PLEASE put a stop to them 🙏

[winged hedge]

The Brotherhood is entering a civil war, which will SURELY catch the attention of some the East Coast Brotherhood

[coarse grove]

Not even, the ranks go under reforms and changes, all the time. And the ranks vary between chapters what each does. It literally says this in the lore.

[deep drum]

So I’m guessing we will never see anyone from the games in the show right

[tired yew]

The east coast brotherhood is one of the two belligerents in this civil war

[coarse grove]

Some attention, but not major.

[coarse grove]

Probably not, I mean Victor is confirmed.

[tired yew]

Are there any other actual examples of changes that aren't just changing the specific role of a rank

[winged hedge]

Fallout, adapt Liberty Prime to the show and my life is yours

[deep drum]

Cuz I would actually kill someone to see Joshua Graham in the show.

[tired yew]

I would kill someone if he showed up

[deep drum]

Lol

fair I guess

I just want more people to see his goatedness

[torpid cargo]

A 3rd time. It’s not fallout with him

[tired yew]

That would be fanservice to a nonsensical degree

He should probably be dead given his condition and if he isn't he has no reason to leave Zion

[coarse grove]

YES. Lyons made revisions, and this has happened consistently. The changes happen, I was only using Knight-errant as an example as a loose case.

Lyon's chapter literally created Order of the Sword, Shield, and Quill, for scribes which doesn't exist anywhere else.

[deep drum]

Yea but

Picture this:

[coarse grove]

And the Wiki even says it's unclear if that even gets expanded under Arthur

Like I said, these changes happen often.

[deep drum]

Joshua graham drops a hard ass monologue on screen

absolute cinema

[tired yew]

But they weren't creating entirely new or distinct roles they still organized things by knight/paladin/etc with fairly coherent rank systems within that

It's also worth noting that even if Lyons did that the west has never done anything to that effect

[deep drum]

I love new Vegas

I might play it again

[tired yew]

The closest would be Elijah's ascension which is noted as an exception rather than a changing precedent

[deep drum]

I’ve played fallout 4 like 13 times but only played new Vegas once

[coarse grove]

That's my entire point, that it's excuslive to those Chapters that do it, in that moment and it's based on leadership who makes that specific choice. That it doesn't ALWAYS apply to other chapters.

[tired yew]

Lyons as in the east coast

[coarse grove]

Rank definitions vary as well, like this is not a new thing.

[tired yew]

The main variation was east vs west before the show

Now it seems the east has won over traditionalist western doctrine

[deep drum]

I know fan service isn’t good

and rarely done well

but damn I love Joshua graham and he was barely in the game

I just want to see more of him

I’ll take ANYTHING

[tired yew]

He's cool but his story is told

[winged hedge]

I just want Liberty Prime to appear in the show eventually

[deep drum]

tbh his story was told poorly

he carried that expansion so hard

[winged hedge]

Not even this season, it’d make more sense if they travel to the East Coast

[tired yew]

I'm still thinking Maxson might be dead but we don't have enough information yet

[deep drum]

I don’t think they will answer that question

in the show

to leave it ambiguous

[tired yew]

They'd kind of have to at least explain whatever went down in the timeline gap

[coarse grove]

The special ranks, or niche cases I think in Fallout 76 are Hopeful, Knight-errant.

Also in Tagerdy's thunder before they were wiped out, they had special ranks as well. Officer of the Watch is one. There are some others you find in the lore, but the one you specifically earn is Knight-errant.

[deep drum]

but the brotherhood is still alive over there meaning the prydwen didn’t blow up or anything

I’m thinking that the canon ending for 4 is the minutemen’s

everyone still alive except for the institute

[coarse grove]

MM / BoS alliance or BoS.

[deep drum]

yea

I’m thinking railroad minutemen and BoS are still kicking

[tired yew]

I think it's most likely BoS because a Minuteman ending is borderline nonsensical levels of ambiguity

The only ending left they can actually narratively control is a BoS ending

[deep drum]

ehhhhhhh

how so

[tired yew]

The Minuteman ending is 110% reliant on the sole survivor

[coarse grove]

Railroad have to die if you pick BoS, I'm pretty sure. Lol

[deep drum]

I mean yeah but I’m talking about the one that keeps railroad and BoS alive

[tired yew]

They do not want to tell us anything about protagonists so they will avoid making the sole survivor an active component of the story past 4

[deep drum]

and only kills institute

[coarse grove]

Doesn't MM have you blow up the Prydwen?

[deep drum]

that would be the most neutral ending for the game right

[tired yew]

If you're cool, otherwise no not necessarily

[deep drum]

You don’t have to

[coarse grove]

Interesting. But that decision would depend on the Sole Survivor's reputation, correct?

[tired yew]

Which doesn't fit with what we've been told (Commonwealth brotherhood being a relative superpower)

[deep drum]

they wouldn’t make the canon ending siding with the BoS

[coarse grove]

Agreed.

[deep drum]

Wdym?

[tired yew]

It would depend on whether or not you shoot a named brotherhood character pretty much

[coarse grove]

Oh they definitely would, they're poster boys.

[coarse grove]

Fair enough.

[normal veldt]

Minutemen ending is the only ending that doesn't require you to take out 2 factions iirc (they'll help you wipe them all out if you want)

[deep drum]

In the minutemen ending in which you keep the BoS alive, the BoS would be just as well off afterwards

[deep drum]

Exactly

[tired yew]

The Commonwealth brotherhood is vastly more powerful than any other chapter we've seen and has enabled other chapters to develop assets previously unavailable to them

[deep drum]

you can side with the minutemen and the brotherhood still become that superpower

[tired yew]

Every indication suggests the east coast brotherhood is significantly more entrenched and fortified than it was in 4

[coarse grove]

Right, but the Minutemen's recovery is contigent on the Sole Survivor, which well. Dunno if Bethesda is gonna bring out Nate the rake like that.

[deep drum]

the minutemen wouldn’t oppose that

[coarse grove]

Yes but it would make them irrelevant.

[tired yew]

But siding with the Minutemen means the brotherhood nets the least actual technology and equipment, and a Minuteman ending being neutral wouldn't support that growth especially with an active railroad

[deep drum]

the ending that makes most sense to canonize is minutemen because it’s relatively self contained to 4 and still allows the BoS and railroad to live

[tired yew]

The Minutemen ending is the ending in 4 which requires the most tiptoing around to avoid canonizing anything about a protagonist

[deep drum]

That’s the good thing

[coarse grove]

The MM are a militia, not a faction attempting to rebuild. They failed at government, which is why Preston doesn't want them to try that again, it's what lead to them being slaughtered.

So they just strictly operate as a militia.

[tired yew]

The brotherhood ending you can do whatever you want because you're dealing with a faction you actually wrote instead of an amorphous and inexplicable agent of chaos

[normal veldt]

It all depends on Emil's writing skill

[deep drum]

they don’t want to make the protagonist of 4 explicitly side with any overarching faction because that would make the choices of the player seem irrelevant

[tired yew]

This is not what happened with the Minutemen if anything their lack of centralization was what destroyed them

[coarse grove]

We're not arguing if it's good or bad, we're more so discussing the realism depending on what the show has given us to go off of.

[deep drum]

but minutemen makes sense cuz it’s self contained and not overarching

[deep drum]

I’m talking about that

[tired yew]

But it's not self contained really

[deep drum]

how they don’t appear anywhere else

[tired yew]

If they do that they need to start saying other things about the sole survivor because if the Minutemen win and still exist that means the sole survivor continues doing stuff after the game

The minutemen are a very fragile organization, if the sole survivor dies or disappears the Minutemen would collapse within months

[deep drum]

bro what

if the sole survivor sides with the BoS he continues doing stuff after the game too

[coarse grove]

Yeah, I don't think they would. Which makes the most sense it's a BoS Alliance where the MM eventually disappear. Or the BoS just take over the Commonwealth.

[tired yew]

If the sole survivor doesn't die then you have a free agent of chaos you're not allowed to address whatsoever

[deep drum]

that’s the point

[coarse grove]

But it's also Maxson's goal, anyways. He would want to expand more.

[deep drum]

why would the sole survivor die in the BoS ending lol

[tired yew]

Things such as following orders or perhaps dying in a way that doesn't cause the entire brotherhood of steel to collapse

[deep drum]

what???

[tired yew]

The lone wanderer died after 3 afaik

[deep drum]

I don’t get what ur saying

[tired yew]

I'm saying if they want to avoid ever talking about the sole survivor the brotherhood ending is their best choice

[deep drum]

but how tho

[tired yew]

They never need to address the sole survivor in a brotherhood ending

[deep drum]

they don’t really need to in minutemen either they don’t have to address anything other than the fact that the BoS is alive and well

[tired yew]

In a Minuteman ending the sole survivor's post game is directly relevant to the state of the Commonwealth at large, brotherhood not really

[coarse grove]

The minutemen cannot exist without the Sole Survivor.

[tired yew]

They really need to in a Minuteman ending

[coarse grove]

Their recovery hinges on the main character.

[deep drum]

and if anything siding with the BoS would make the sole survivor even more important to the narrative of the show

[tired yew]

The sole survivor is literally the only officer in the Minutemen

[normal veldt]

Well, since Nate the Rake is probably also the Sentinel of BoS, it wouldn't be weird for him to say "F**k you Garvey, I'll let Maxson deal with your settlement bs, I'm out"

[deep drum]

cuz ur like a brotherhood paladin master chief in that ending or whatever

Yeah Sentinel

That makes him more notable to the show 😭

[coarse grove]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The Brotherhood would do the MM's job, but better. But it would be an exchange. Tithe supplies for the Chapter, but you get military protection.

Which is leagues better than what the MM offer.

[tired yew]

If the sole survivor sides with the BOS he can do anything from discovering Atlantis to dying in a ditch and the brotherhood will keep on operating probably the exact same way as before

[deep drum]

Whereas if he is minutemen they never have to mention him at all until they go to the commonwealth

[tired yew]

If they go to the Commonwealth we are truly fucked

[deep drum]

Same thing with the minutemen ending (where you don’t kill the BoS)

[coarse grove]

They can't exist without the Sole Survivor. The Brotherhood can continue without the Sole Survivor, we are shown this in-game. If you never meet Danse, the brotherhood shows up anyway.

[tired yew]

Except for the fact that anything the sole survivor does in a Minuteman ending directly affects the Minutemen

[deep drum]

Who cares about the minutemen in the show tho

They have absolutely no affect on the story of the show

Therefore they will never have to be mentioned

[coarse grove]

We're not talking about them exclusively in the show, it's the lore consistency because they had to have picked a canon ending to bring in stuff like the Prydwen.

[deep drum]

meaning never having to mention the sole survivor

[deep drum]

yes and the neutral minutemen ending seems the most narratively convenient

[tired yew]

But if they don't want to acknowledge the Minutemen that also sort of canonizes the brotherhood because you don't even necessarily need to help the Minutemen expand

[coarse grove]

The Sole Survivor doesn't become the Elder, but in the MM ending he is THE GENERAL. Which is arguably a bigger role to play.

[tired yew]

It is no more narratively convenient than a brotherhood ending and is arguably less so

[deep drum]

yeah but the sole survivor siding with the minutemen would be less biased than him siding with the BoS

[tired yew]

Bethesda is biased as hell

[deep drum]

And then never want to explicitly make a playable protagonist biased

[coarse grove]

It doesn't matter if it's biased, that's irrelevant. lol

[deep drum]

in the show

[coarse grove]

And Bethesda has always been biased to the BOS if we're being honest.

[torpid cargo]

The General rank means absolutely nothing to be fair.

[deep drum]

not in the show

[tired yew]

At the same time they've probably canonized a house ending

[coarse grove]

Yes in the show, what do you mean???

[deep drum]

We dont know that yet

[cold jetty]

Preston Garvey and the minutemen stuck in limbo at the museum of freedom forever

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-will-smith-smh-smh-will-smith-oscars-will-smith-shaking-head-gif-11929902220898662190

[coarse grove]

LMAO

[tired yew]

The only alternative is homebrewing an ending entirely

[coarse grove]

"UP HERE ON THE BALCONY" Nate the rake wanders off to find Danse.

[tired yew]

And at that point anything goes the sole survivor could still be in cryostasis

[normal veldt]

I wonder why they deliberately gave Nanjiani's character the name Harkness tho
It can't be a coincidence
Did they do it just to mess with us?

[deep drum]

But I’m just saying the minutemen is simply the most sensical canon ending as all of the major factions live and the sole survivors choices don’t seem overly biased

[tired yew]

I immediately thought he was the synth but he probably isn't lol

[torpid cargo]

The “good” ending.

[coarse grove]

It's probably just a tease, or a nod to Harkness from rivet city.

[coarse grove]

TRUE.

[deep drum]

the minutemen’s whole point is to be the neutral ground so it makes sense to canonize that ending as they don’t want to strip freedom of choice from the player

[tired yew]

All major factions living is not a sensical ending, the Minutemen winning is arguably the most nonsensical plotline in fallout 4

[deep drum]

neutral is better than one side or the other

[normal veldt]

Maybe Harkness adopted a kid in Rivet City and the boy joined the BoS?

[deep drum]

not if they want to keep the players choices neutral

which is kind of the point of a playable character

[coarse grove]

but they aren't tho, because they made that irrelevant with Fallout 4.

[tired yew]

But they already have "restricted" freedom of choice because you kill the brotherhood in 3 of the 5 endings

You kill house in 3 of the 4 endings in NV and evidently they aren't killing house

[deep drum]

it makes more sense for the “kill the brotherhood” endings to be non canonical

[tired yew]

Choice is restricted they are just vague

[coarse grove]

Fallout 4 literally follows all the good karma choices with the BOS ending, which means all neutral and evil karma choices never happened - that removes player agency. Lol

[tired yew]

Why?

[deep drum]

cuz the brotherhood is still alive and well obviously

[tired yew]

But they didn't have to be

[deep drum]

but they would never make the sole survivor canonically side with the BoS

[tired yew]

They absolutely could have tanked the Commonwealth brotherhood if they wanted to

[deep drum]

that would be blatantly stupid

[tired yew]

Why

[fallen wagon]

not necessarily. holding the dam requires significant resources like the courier will have told them. even without the NCR around it'd be an obvious attack surface against the legion for any of their enemies

[torpid cargo]

This seems like the stupid argument that “prequel games are stupid because we know what happens”

[coarse grove]

I would like to think that Xander will expand a bit on his experience with the Commonwealth, especially cause @cold jetty showed me some stuff. It does really seem like Xander will be a pivotl character for Maximus.

[deep drum]

cuz the point of canonizing an ending is to make the balancing act of keeping the playable protagonists endings vague but also making sense for the story of the show

[normal veldt]

Can you post that here or?

[deep drum]

so naturally they probably won’t even state whether the minutemen are alive or if the sole survivor sided with the BoS at all

[deep drum]

they will naturally leave that open ended

[tired yew]

Okay and the Minutemen as an organization cease to exist if the player character dies so that means that the player endings of the Minuteman ending are restricted

[deep drum]

no bro wtf are you on about bro

I don’t get it

Where is it stated that the sole survivor dies for a fact after the game

[tired yew]

It isn't, but they could've

If they don't want to explain the sole survivor's ending then they cannot show the minutemen at all

[deep drum]

So what they won’t state in the show whether or not that is the case

[fiery karma]

It sad what happened to him

[deep drum]

Exactly

But that doesn’t mean that the sole survivor DIDNT side with the minutemen

they just won’t say either way

[tired yew]

The Minutemen still existing implies the sole survivor is alive whereas their absence could mean any number of things

[coarse grove]

It does because the Minutemen rely on the Sole Survivor becoming the General.

[deep drum]

bro

[coarse grove]

The minutemen do not continue to be a thing if you say no.

[deep drum]

they didn’t say anything about it

and they won’t

all I’m saying is

[coarse grove]

They did in-game, preston tells you this

[deep drum]

they also won’t say whether or not the sole survivor sided with the BoS

Either