EPISODE 2

[twin mango]

Theres been no intel on them has there since?

[coarse grove]

Especially if they've been doing it SINCE 2105 and are still going

[normal veldt]

Ppl loved "Shady Sands Shuffle" so much that they named an entire town after it
A fitting name ngl

[coarse grove]

Apparently FO4's creation is the only one that confirms that Appalachia is still dropping nukes? Maybe

[ember swallow]

the mention of 76 in fallout is at 25:20

[coarse grove]

so that would kind of imply that they haven't been able to get close

Just tell the 76ers Maxson has a new Legendary.

They'll get the job done.

[twin mango]

Whats the context of the creation hub in the Canon? I stopped playing b4 that dlc

[coarse grove]

Omfg.

[twin mango]

I stopped playing b4 cc as a whole

[coarse grove]

As far as I know only Bethesda MADE creations are canon or pesudo-canon, but they have made exceptions.

[ember swallow]

few buggs on xbox but it runs fine for the most part

[coarse grove]

Omg cause the Nuke sites are automated, they INFINITELY remake nukes

[ember swallow]

yes the beast hunter enclave stuff is canon 100% confirmed already

[coarse grove]

this is unhinged

[ember swallow]

lol

[coarse grove]

I'm all for it cause it lines up with 76ers being absolute CHAOTIC people but.

[ember swallow]

im playing 76 as we speak lol

[weary sorrel]

Shouldn’t the East Coast Brotherhood have taken control of Appalachia by now, though? Surely that’d be a good tool against the West Coast rebels once Quintus decides to secede.

[twin mango]

How do they get more raw materials? Or do they have stockpiles

[lofty needle]

wait so canonically people in appalachia have been nuking eachother for 200 years?

[twin mango]

Is Appalachia far from Boston/dc

[coarse grove]

Not if they're lobbing nukes, and with how Steel Reign ended, the brotherhood chapter there is week, and already got destroyed once.

[ember swallow]

Yup

[coarse grove]

APPARENTLY

[normal veldt]

That's basically what the game was all about before they introduced NPCs

[coarse grove]

It was a community meme at first.

Now it's canon?

Say less.

[ember swallow]

and there just glorified dirty bombs ingame inlore i bet its gonna be just a crater

[eager folio]

Shrugs
The players there sure are so its canon

[twin mango]

Ah. I remember hearing about this. Where u run around gathering materials to nuke the oppo

[coarse grove]

Casually lobbing dirty bombs for 200 years is fucking wild though.

im surprised they committed to the bit, tbh

[lofty needle]

you know maybe the bos were onto something about all that preserve technology from the people thing lol

[ember swallow]

i mean there are titans of monsters youve never seen in any other games

[coarse grove]

LMAO

[twin mango]

Many ghouls or super mutants there?

[normal veldt]

I wonder what it's like for 76ers these days, do ppl still PvP? Or did everyone just become housing mains

[coarse grove]

In Appalachia? Definitely. There's a whole big ass ghoul faction, too.

[coarse grove]

No pvp.

Literally no one pvps. lol

[ember swallow]

a mole rat the size of a three story house.
a monster in a cave that is taller then a bus with three heads a snake as big as a mall

[coarse grove]

Everyone became grinders, roleplayers, and house flippers.

[normal veldt]

So that's what ESO will become, I see

[coarse grove]

Unfortunately.

[ember swallow]

actually there is rumors from devs that faction wars are coming

[coarse grove]

Anyway before I get muted -

[coarse grove]

Faction wars would be nice

[eager folio]

https://tenor.com/view/quick-shot-the-ghoul-fallout-gunslinger-sent-flying-back-gif-11543392434448609229

[ember swallow]

yes there overhaulling the workshops to incorporate the faction war apparently

[coarse grove]

explains a lot

[coarse grove]

Speaking of the ghoul - given he's wearing T45-d by the time of his flashback, is it safe to assume it's towards the middle of Anchorage's battle when he leaves, or after?

[ember swallow]

and also it was to be the next nuclear winter they said

[eager folio]

Hmm
Honorable discharge or something?

[coarse grove]

I thought something like that, he looked horrified, maybe his squad died, or something.

[eager folio]

Well the chinese were brutal with their attacks

[coarse grove]

Yeah, the episode is called 'Dragon in the Snow' I think

so it made me think of Dragoons

immediately

[lofty needle]

this makes sense it adds to why he didnt wana be that violent caricature in the cowboy films

[ember swallow]

arnt the invisible suits guys where called dragon somthing

[coarse grove]

I agree, and why he pushed back on them

[ember swallow]

like crimson dragon

[coarse grove]

dragoons

Crimson Dragoons

[ember swallow]

yeah prob

[coarse grove]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Crimson_Dragoon

[lofty needle]

we havent seen stealth boys in the tv show yet, so could be a good opportunity to introduce them through the stealth suits

[ember swallow]

yeah that (wow im surprised i even got close)

[coarse grove]

I agree!

imagine, all cgi budget to the dragoons and deathclaw

lmao

Also actually, what could be a threat to the East, too, is the Scorched - if the Scorched manage to leave Appalachia, the East could be fucked.

If anyone comes to Appalachia they have to be inoculated.

And the Scorch have to be contained in Appalachia, otherwise it'll cause an outbreak

[lofty needle]

the cgi on the deathclaw (and just generally in the show) looks really good

buuuuuut

im really scared for why they havent shown the super mutant in trailers

is it because the cgi is dodgy

[coarse grove]

im worried too

ghouls looked fine so maaaaaybe?

[lofty needle]

true

idek where this super mutant would come up

we know the order of events for lucy and cooper mostly

maximus a bit more unknown

[coarse grove]

sounds liek he was talking to the ghoul specifically

around a camp fire

[lofty needle]

oh okay thats likely sooner then rather than later

[ember swallow]

the thing in cloth, i dont think it is or that one death claw from whatever fallout it was. i think its a PA or or just maybe ||frank horrigan||

[lofty needle]

thing in cloth?

[ember swallow]

in the trailer

one moment

[lofty needle]

yes please im blanking here lol

[weary sorrel]

Goris appearing would be hype.

[normal veldt]

It says "the Demon in the Snow"

[lofty needle]

stil cant believe ep 5 is the wrangler

means lucy and ghoul reunite quite soon

[ember swallow]

https://youtu.be/ECI3eCAxRGw?si=aDS-UZh1Xkwwm9cn @1:01

[lofty needle]

oh wow i dont remember this at all. which trailer is it from?

ah perfect thanks

[normal veldt]

||and she'll greet him with her powerfist||

[coarse grove]

in the wrangler though? 👀

[normal veldt]

||yeah, she literally sent him flying, defenestration style (it's in the trailer)||

[lofty needle]

thats surprisingly eery i cant believe ive only just picked up on this

[ember swallow]

i thin itll be awhile i think it will be -|| she gets captured by legion then sold to hank then she escapes then meets back with ghoul after not getting saved||

[ember swallow]

indeed

[lofty needle]

i acc like this order of events because it explains how lucy and cooper reunite a bit cleaner

[normal veldt]

So you think Hank will be buying slaves from the Legion?

[ember swallow]

heh buying lucy and possibly running out of humans to use yes

[lofty needle]

then again the lucy in hansk vault thing could be right at the last episode

[fallen wagon]

that wouldn't make sense, and would be like claiming mojave wasteland was nuked endlessly because as a player you could shoot nukes. gameplay possibility doesn't equal canon.

what is most likely the canon version is that only the first nuke used to destroy the SBQ's lair is canon.

[ember swallow]

nope its confirmed by bethesda shall i prove it

[fallen wagon]

theres not much to prove. the map of fo76 would be a glowing sea like area if it did get saturated for years by nukes but it isnt.

[ember swallow]

well its an online game so sorta hard to do

but in lore they are still launching nukes that is confirmed

[fallen wagon]

its because gameplay possibility doesnt equal canon

just because i can drop 10 000 000 cheese rolls down a mountain in skyrim doesnt mean that actually happened

[lofty needle]

its from this line of dialogue

[ember swallow]

ok fine one moment

[ember swallow]

yes exactly that dlc is made by bethesda themselfs

is included in the game

[fallen wagon]

that is not mutually exclusive with my initial argument

[ember swallow]

whatever you on about its canon that there lauching nukes at one another after 200 years

[fallen wagon]

also, not everything made by official source is canon. majority of game endings are not canon by design.

[ember swallow]

coping much

[fallen wagon]

it doesnt say they are launching nukes at "each other" in the image

[ember swallow]

well hey beileve what you want

doesnt change facts

[fallen wagon]

and it doesnt disagree with how they would only nuke the SBQ lair in lore

what facts are you talking about?

you havent posted anything but reference some image that didnt prove your claim

[ember swallow]

https://youtu.be/t5ICsQbmOK0?si=1LYgMzTCx0KG1kHP here watch the vid

[fallen wagon]

post a screenshot to the line of dialogue

im not watching a 1hr long vid

also, quoting creation club where you have only a select amount of creations even be canon viable is not a good start

[ember swallow]

you know what idc, who are you that i have to prove anything too believe what you want or not i could care less or just keep coping to "your ending"

[fallen wagon]

then why are you arguing w me? i wasnt even responding to u originally

[ember swallow]

bec i was trying to inform you but i see it was a mistake

[fallen wagon]

just some guy asking if its canon the appalachian region is destroyed by hundreds of nukes launched by hundreds of enclave generals when that doesnt even make sense.

how would you have every player be the enclave general at the same time even make sense

[lofty needle]

nono theyve been nuking eachother for 200 years

[torpid cargo]

Someone do the math how many nukes that would be at one a month.

[fallen wagon]

i dont think appalachia has been referenced outside of fo76 besides that creation club thing so i question that

[ember swallow]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Beast_Hunter

[fallen wagon]

safe to say its not canon. nor does it implicitly confirm anyone is launching nukes, just fighting for the control of the silos

you would want to control the silos, that doesnt mean you would want to destroy the region with nukes.

[torpid cargo]

Slowly watching the NCR reaction steadily grow higher fills me with immense pride.

[blissful depot]

is it just me or is the partrolling the mojave line feel shoved in

and doesnt fit

[empty crane]

I agree

doesn't fit the tone at all

[fallen wagon]

the kid in the fridge thing bothered me more

actually so many things just felt off about shady i dont even wanna start

[empty crane]

where are the beautiful adobe houses

[fallen wagon]

have u seen the HoI4 modders vision of shady? thats what i want

https://i.redd.it/hjha7bk9jsi81.jpg

[lofty needle]

This

[fallen wagon]

it feels like they got cues from capital wasteland. just building in the midst of all the destruction. id be so scared of living near abandoned skyscrapers

[lofty needle]

Lmao true

[torpid cargo]

New post apocalyptic fear unlocked.

[errant bobcat]

Y'know i can understand the 3 elders to a degree

I used to hoard the shit outta fusion cores

[normal veldt]

Todd loves his Indiana Jones reference and wants to remind you to go play the Great Circle (you don't have to)

[halcyon prawn]

So, when they discovered the bomb it didnt look like it was counting down, was it?

Why not just take the brahmin and scoot it back out the way it came?

[normal veldt]

Hank could just detonate the bomb with his pip-boy if he saw them attempting to move it away from the city

Also you can just chalk it up to NCR incompetence, if Hank could do it then a lot of other factions (like the Legion) would be able to pull it off

[twin mango]

Is it beneath caesar to use nukes?

[eager folio]

Hmm
Let's give him one and let's see what he will do

[coarse grove]

The reason why it would actually make sense cause the Nukes used aren't large enough to create long lasting Fallout. You can argue geographical damages, sure. But if the guy is saying tribals. It's implying the many player characters of Appalachia, 200 years later are still lobbing nukes at each other.
Also is some random ex-NCR soldier has heard of it? Odds are other people too.

[halcyon prawn]

Assuming Hank's pip boy could feed him that information.

Though it seems he was banking on them tampering with it.

[coarse grove]

I would agree with this.

[lofty needle]

This is why I jokingly say maximus dad has one of the highest killstreaks in fallout

[halcyon prawn]

Hank doesn't seem to get that you shouldn't crank that thing to 11 immediately. Like dude, let it rest on a lower level.

[halcyon prawn]

UT voice: HOLY SHIT

[shy dove]

Realistically, doesn’t Hank have the highest kill streaks in postwar fallout?

Or one of the highest

34,851 kills

(Minus one since maximus survived)

[eager folio]

You're wrong
The chinese guy in fallout 4 killed more

[errant bobcat]

if we count the games i think Captain Zao is up there

he was the one who lead the chinese nuclear sub fleet on Boston and fired

[eager folio]

also side note
I love ep 1 has 8400 msg in total for a week but episode 2 came out and it hasnt even been half way done and already beat the record

[coarse grove]

Episode 3 will break that record

[eager folio]

Hmm
Depends on what given

We had an idea going in ep2
We got only some ideas in ep3

[coarse grove]

Given the context on episode 3, be a lot of legion stuff

which also might give some insight to ncr

[shy dove]

Hopefully NCR remnants destroying the legion

[eager folio]

Nah it will be lucy

[shy dove]

Lucy ain’t doing shit😭

She’ll probably try to pacify the legion

Though I have a feeling the Ghoul will save her

[scenic bobcat]

Tbf ep 1 was more just fan service with the start of it & the starting of new plot lines, the ep didn’t really do much beyond that & didn’t even include maximas

[eager folio]

nah
Lucy is a player playing fallout for the first time
Every player must eventually wipe an entire faction out

[scenic bobcat]

Ep 2 focuses on maximus & in turn the bos while still having plenty of Lucy & the ghoul stuff alongside explaining more stuff & opening new plot lines

[scenic bobcat]

It basically just had way more then ep 1

[eager folio]

meme

Illegal

Point gun Exterminate!

[shy dove]

Shit

Don’t wanna get muted for the third time

💔

[eager folio]

[eager folio]

Hmm
True but i argue otherwise
Ep 1 had way more
This ep was Mainily a BoS ep

[scenic bobcat]

Ep 2 did mainly focus on the bos but it was still able to include other stuff like Lucy & the ghouls encounter with radscorpians & at the end the legion

[eager folio]

Fair

[twin mango]

what do u get muted for here?

[shy dove]

Posting memes

[high sandal]

I genuinely love that max's chapter got called out for the religious shit.

That and the patrolling the mojave brainrot

[high sandal]

We better see a more functioning ncr

Like it was nice to see a pre kablammo shady but I wanna see functioning remnants.

[shy dove]

Definitely

[high sandal]

(The fact I have a ncr flag definitely doesn't make me biased)

[shy dove]

(It makes me biased)

🐻❤️

[eager folio]

Happy birthday tim

[high sandal]

Ty, ty.

[viscid fossil]

||According to the clapper, the Legion won't be a one and done. This image is evidently from episode 7.||

[eager folio]

Well that just confuse everything

[shy dove]

Looks like they’re just having fun lol

[coarse grove]

Does it?

[eager folio]

Yes

[coarse grove]

I thought it was pretty clear that someone would come out on top with the Civil war, and the Legion would remain.

[eager folio]

That what i mean

I meant it last longer than 1 episode

[violet plover]

Because of the "207" on the clapperboard?

[viscid fossil]

The clapper reads, "A cam, roll: A567, scene: 722 (episode 7, scene 22), take: 1
Lens: 28mm at f/4-1/3, filters: neutral density 6-stop and glimmerglass 1, episode: 207 (season 2, episode 7)
Production title: Dakota (working title used in a failed attempt at secrecy)"

[coarse grove]

Oh so they're stretching these plots out, then. I'm not convinced, fully, things will be resolved this season, then.

It's unlikely.

[eager folio]

They literally approved s3 way before we even finished ep1

[coarse grove]

yeah but s3 is slated for FO5 stuff - or from their words, building the foundations for it. It could mean then that these plots specifically will be involved in that game if none of them plan on ending anytime soon.

[eager folio]

ah yes
lucy control the legion
maximus is the bos elder
and ghoul is busy dancing to the fallout music

and proabably eating people

[coarse grove]

still love the detail that he could tell meat has been poisoned.

And it seemingly didn't affect him

[eager folio]

I just realised the perfect theme for ghoul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFa1-kciCb4

These music will work PERFECTLY for the ghoul

[tame current]

It could be because either because he didn't swallow or because he's a Ghoul
Could be both

[tame current]

They are either doing something really good or indeed they are stretching it into S3
Then again there's also the possibility it all fails at the end but I do not want that to happen

[cold jetty]

That’s the first I’ve heard about ep 7

[latent cave]

That's it fellas. I'm killing every single fallout fan on twitter

[cold jetty]

Yes

[latent cave]

Guys are seething over the car scene

[violet plover]

First mistake was looking at what people are saying on twitter

[latent cave]

"oh my god, could that be a depiction in form of a joke of how this chapter has lost its ways? I could never tell! I'm too dumb to think"

They are literally like this

[latent cave]

You have a point

They really said "Flanderization" of fallout

My man, that game is Flandered since fallout 1

[coarse grove]

I'm thinking more so the ghoul bit, rather. It would make sense poison not affecting certain mutations or certain bodies like that.

[coarse grove]

Did reviewers or interviewers get access to the entire season, or only up to episode 6?

Cause I thought it was only up until episode 6, not 7 and 8.

[latent cave]

Could be that so that the venom has a bit of rads so it counteracts the poison

[coarse grove]

Like they are dumb, don't get me wrong - but there's a reason for it, plus it is a joke at the very least. The only thing that tilted me was the plasma grenade cause of how bad that would've been. LOL

[cold jetty]

Only up to 6. I have no clue what happens in ep 7 and 8.

I wonder if the ncr and bos will appear in those episodes

[latent cave]

Lmaoooo I was really worried about the grenade

[coarse grove]

Ahh, okay, okay.

[violet plover]

I've heard the Ghoul will meet the NCR at Camp Golf in episode 3. There's also the scene with Lucy, the Ghoul and ||Rodriguez|| at what is likely an NCR Camp in episode 4.

[coarse grove]

It could be, i was more so thinking about diseases and poisons in 76 - when you play a ghoul, you are immune. So that's more likely the answer. But these are all recent updates and additions they've made to being a ghoul in the first place. Which is why it's only a little confusing.

But it makes sense either way.

[latent cave]

I really like the new ghoul content. They went from being just a ugly human or vat product to a real science inside the world

[coarse grove]

They're peak, genuinely. I hope they keep up with it. I'd like more of it, plus the option to play as one in future games as well.

[latent cave]

The "just be irradiated and lucky" way to be a ghoul was a bit off. It made us speculate a lot of what would need to trigger the transformation

[latent cave]

Btw I gotta play with my second char to do the ghoul path

[coarse grove]

Now there are definitive ways to become one other than, "Be exposed to rads and be lucky." lol

I wonder if they will show how Coop turned into a ghoul.

[eager folio]

What have they done this time?

[violet plover]

They've mentioned Bakersfield twice now in pre-war scenes, which was where Necropolis was in Fallout 1.

[tame current]

Excuse my ignorance
||Who is Rodriguez in this case?||

[latent cave]

They seethed over the car scene saying it was unnecessary

[tame current]

Bakersfield is called the City of the Dead as well
They do mention in Season 1 that he comes from the City of the Dead

[eager folio]

Well yeah
It wasnt big enough of an explosion!

[violet plover]

||The person speaking to Lucy in one of the trailers about who she's looking for, you can see their name in the closed captions on prime video||

[latent cave]

Like be dumb enough to trust a medicine from a weird guy

[latent cave]

Hell yeah, it should be more Nuke

[eager folio]

Now you see
Thats a good reason to complain

[tame current]

Ah fair enough

[eager folio]

I die too many damn times from the cars
You telling me they just made it too small???

[raven fossil]

wasn't it?

[latent cave]

The worst enemy of all

[latent cave]

No. It was necessary

[coarse grove]

Ay, he survived though, it could've killed him. Lol

[latent cave]

Well, yeah. I guess so, it worked

[eager folio]

Think about this
Why did the BoS decide to shoot up a functional car

[coarse grove]

I know they've mentioned it, I'm more so curious if they'll actually show us what happened specifically.

[eager folio]

The BoS goal is to technology safe

[raven fossil]

I can understand that they try to "demonize" the west coast BoS and show that they've shifted but still

[eager folio]

They just destoryed probably one of the only cars that can even be drove in the entire wasteland

Just for laughs

[raven fossil]

it's ridiculous

[latent cave]

They are not trying to demonize them. It a depiction in the form of a joke of how the BoS has lost its ways

[coarse grove]

Not demonize, devolve, there's a difference - it's like an implied fall from Grace. "The West used to be the Heartland of the BoS, look at it now" type of deal.

[violet plover]

The kind of tech the Brotherhood cares about are weapons related, one of the technologies Veronica can have you bring before the Elder to show how the brotherhood are misguided is farming-related from Vault 22

[raven fossil]

Sure i have no problem generally with that but it's too comical for me

They're depicted as very dumb

[latent cave]

There are speaking cows in the first game. It's a comical universe

[coarse grove]

That's what happens to tribes without unification though. That's the thing. The Chapters haven't been properly unified. Plus it's pretty on par for the universe to be comical. You literally have a guy knock himself out by biting his thumb and blowing on it twice in new vegas, then you dump his ass in the nearby trash can for cannibals to pick up.

[latent cave]

Plus. You can see that their elder is more harsh than the others and a very serious guy. They have found the holy grail to the BoS and are having a good time, it's rare for them. Most of them, like Max, are kids that were stripped from their childhood

[raven fossil]

I just think they can do better with depicting that. Blowing up something this valuable- especially for a faction like the BoS- and also the whole sequence with the fight club is in my opinion kinda stupid and maybe lazy

[coarse grove]

Also - having been surrounded by military folk my entire life. And even by other Military members in the server voicing their opinions on it, the way the Brotherhood behaved was very on par for the military.

[eager folio]

How so?

[raven fossil]

and I don't like this type of reaction to people who voice their concerns about certain aspects of the show

[latent cave]

Give a bunch of young men the power to beat up anyone they want. They become dumb lol

[coarse grove]

There's plenty of times where service members goof off during serious moments, or when they're supposed to be doing their jobs or treating things more seriously.
The Brotherhood depicted that pretty well especially during the meeting - even though I personally thought it was a lot because of the nature of a plasma grenade. But if you've ever spoken to people who are in the military, listen to what they say about their jobs, the things they say to each other - the things they DO to each other. It's almost 1 to 1.

[raven fossil]

It's a good show but it must be criticized

[latent cave]

You don't like jokes, don't u?

[coarse grove]

Yeah but the criticism is ignoring facts. lol Which dumbs down the criticisms imo but. That's just me.

[eager folio]

Youre right
Let me criticse the show
LUCY HASNT KILL SOMEBODY!

[coarse grove]

😂

[latent cave]

She's running on a speech save

[eager folio]

She not even doing it right!

[coarse grove]

Tfw the Legion aren't gonna give a damn about anything she says.

[eager folio]

She is literally the new fallout players!

[latent cave]

But she have a companion to do the Killing lol

[eager folio]

You wanna headbang but you know they are new and you did the same damn thing when you started

[raven fossil]

that's actually valid considering what she went through in season 1

and it seems like much of that progress has been thrown away

[eager folio]

To be fair
She does represent new fallout players
New fallout players tend to be... go for a more diplomatic option

[raven fossil]

it's like she just came out of the vault again

[coarse grove]

It reminds me of playing Kenshi.

[eager folio]

Normal TV watchers who hasnt played the games:
Oh god, lucy had to kill someone. Oh that bad but she had to what neccessary. Ah i hope she doesnt start actively kill everything and only resort it as a final measure. I mean this caesar legion fellas are bad people, it can be a one time exception.

Fallout fans watching the show:
FUCK YEAH, SHE KILLING THINGS YEAH! LETS GO COMMIT A GENOCIDE ON THOSE FUCKING LEGION! COME ON LUCY YOU CAN DO IT ! WOO HOO GET THE NUKA COLA WE PARTY TONIGHT ON HER FIRST KILL!

[coarse grove]

I always try the peaceful route.

But eventually

[eager folio]

Hence ive created the greatest joke known to man

[coarse grove]

I become a Warlord

cause by god do i hate the Empire

[latent cave]

That's her whole point. No matter what happens, she will remain good. And I love that

[eager folio]

Eventually everyone had their moment when they genocide an entire faction

We at all some point do it

[gentle mesa]

I think I figured out what happened. They originally were gonna have S1 take place up in San Francisco which is closer to Shady Sands. Bethesda asked them to change it and they did but they still needed Shady Sands as a location for the plot.

Thematically they portray the NCR as an idealized post-war civilization, a proper successor to the IDEA of pre-war America. The name Shady Sands works for that, it's sounds like a quiet little town. Boneyard sounds too post-war, to edgy for what they're going for.

They want the city to look more pre-war style buildings because they want it to invoke pre-war Americana, Adobe buildings kinda muddy that.

[high aspen]

Main character of Fo5 gets to decide whether or not the Commonwealth BOS and NCR form an alliance

[eager folio]

And they did an excellent job in this episode

It feels like a pre-war town

Not some wasteland

Its so different

Even the outfit reflect that
Everyone in the wasteland wear armor or leather or cloth
Here?
Everyone wearing pre-war clothes

[gentle mesa]

Okay, turns out I was wrong about them wanting to set the show in San Fran. Originally it was gonna be in Colorado (very early on) and then they decided to switch to California after they did location scouting. Bethesda told them very specifically NOT to touch San Fran.

All the other stuff I said for why they used Shady Sands still stands.

[eager folio]

Bethesada does want them to touch san fran?

Why is that?

[tame current]

They have been that way with San Francisco since New Vegas
Originally in development Obsidian was going to write a line about San Francisco being nuked by the Enclave as payback for the Oil Rig and until Bethesda told them to scrap it

[coarse grove]

The same reason they didn't want Obsidian to touch Area 51. They plan on using these locations. Bethesda has plans for them.

[eager folio]

Why are they obsessed with san fran then?

[coarse grove]

It's been rumored for a while Fallout 5 is going to be in San Fran, but it's just a rumor.

[eager folio]

Rumor turns out to be true and bethesada calmly released it the day before

[coarse grove]

The only reason why I say it's a rumor because with FNV Bethesda said similar things to Obsidian, and nothing really came of it until now with the TV show.
It's possible Bethesda may stick with San Fran, or choose another location.

[eager folio]

What is todd planning hmm

[tame current]

Chaging a bit the topic
No way they don't expand on the NCR's state with the Ghoul and the lady trooper in Camp Golf and that (possibly other separate) NCR right?

[coarse grove]

Someone pointed out the times and episodes on the clapper where the two Legionnaires are fighting and the Legion plot is still going in Episode 7. So it's safe to assume the NCR plot as well, and these stories will expand well into season 3. If the information on the Clapper is true that means most of this stuff won't be immediately resolved on a Faction level any time soon.

But it's pretty clear the Ghoul and Lucy get their own episodes before they meet up with each other again.

So I think episode 3 is Lucy's, episode 4 is the Ghoul's given the name.

[high aspen]

so no cool BOS stuff till episode 5 💔

[high aspen]

"A reference to this was originally intended to appear in Fallout: New Vegas, firmly stating that San Francisco had been destroyed following the events of Fallout 2. However, Bethesda intervened and asked Obsidian to remove it so that the city could be used as a location for a potential future entry in the series. [Non-game 8]"

[tame current]

Holy shit I was actually looking for smth else but how did I miss these
You can feel the pettiness out of them
This irradiates so much putrid Reddit energy I love it

[tame current]

Anyways yeah I found the episode thingy with the titles
Yeah it makes sense

[coarse grove]

Given what Magnus posted earlier, we will be getting a little bit of BoS stuff sprinkled out, especially with what Maximus does. But I think it's more that the character stories will pull them away from the Faction ones. So the Faction plots might not get their conclusions - but we'll have an idea of where they're at.

[coarse grove]

But remember "FNV fans don't complain about Bethesda stuff"... lol Like I agree it's a minority but man are they loud.

[tame current]

"Amazon releasing a series with one of their themes being anti-capitalism" has that same energy of "you criticize society yet you participate in it"
Look I'm not saying the top brass at companies like Amazon do actually practice what they want to preach when they very clearly don't but the thing is the top brass isn't the ones preaching
It is the writers under them
The suits don't think "hmmm this follows my moral code" they think "hmmm this can make us moneyyyy"

The real people responsible for the work with the show and the message in it are the actual people getting paid for a living by making it

Idk if being clear I hope so

[austere tendon]

Fallout 5 set in San Fran, NCR and BOS are both factions in it , every character from the show has a cameo

[austere tendon]

i think someone found a review or something that said a NCR soldier is waiting for reinforcements and explains the current state of ncr and their stand with legion ?

in ep3

[coarse grove]

I'm not opposed to it, I'm just not gonna put all my stock in it yet until we start getting more information on it. I think it's only in early stages of production in tandemn with Season 3.

[coarse grove]

It says the NCR is waiting for reinforcements that will never come.

[austere tendon]

i don't think fo5 is coming untill after elder scrolls 6 and well...

[coarse grove]

Which like I mentioned a couple times, implies the pulled out of the Mojave.

[coarse grove]

Oh I agree lol

[austere tendon]

but why would these ncr soldiers be in the mojave for 15 years

do yhou havethe link to the text by any chance

[tame current]

I've just read it
They say reinforcements that haven't shown up rather
Not to argue semantics here since they could well mean the same thing but like, that might be an important distinction to make

[tame current]

I'll get it for you

@austere tendon

[austere tendon]

the wording of reinforcements just makes it sound like the ncr have something still

[tame current]

Exactly my thought

I mean man I just want a map or something

[austere tendon]

a band of remants wouldn't do reinforcments

[tame current]

Or at the very least name dropping some of the NCR's cities

[coarse grove]

We won't unfortunately know until the 7th unfortunately since that's the ghoul's episode.

[ruby lichen]

How did people find out his name was Xander Harkness?

[coarse grove]

I don't think it's remnants but definitely soldiers who got left behind in a messy retreat.

[coarse grove]

Interviews, and Amazon themselves.

[austere tendon]

interviews, imdb

[ruby lichen]

Whats the consensus? He's a paladin under a maxson descendent?

[coarse grove]

He's a Paladin Liaison form the Commonwealth. No confirmation he's related to Maxson at all.

[austere tendon]

i don't think so
he is a Paladin, but not related to Maxson
it's been 10 years since fo4

[ruby lichen]

we assumed he was a liason

[coarse grove]

The age wouldn't match up anyway, unless Xander is really young, Maxson is 29 years old as of the TV show.

[ruby lichen]

thats what I was saying, its been a good while

[austere tendon]

well, not enough years i meant

[ruby lichen]

them talking and his arrival cofirms the commonwealth is still going though

[coarse grove]

Cause he's 20 in Fallout 4, and they confirmed the show is 9 years after the events of Fallout 4. So it's probably more likely that he's just a super skilled at his position.

[ruby lichen]

are they doing an ambiguous ending like fnv?

[coarse grove]

Yeah the BoS ending is pretty much confirmed in season 1.

[austere tendon]

they had mentioned commonwealth in s1 too

[ruby lichen]

its been so long since I've watched S1, what confirms it though just to update me?

[coarse grove]

It's either BoS ending, or MM / BoS alliance. Either way the only way the Prydwen shows up in season 1 is by the Commonwealth BoS still being alive cause every other FO4 ending has you blow up the Prydwen.

[ruby lichen]

but there are multiple prydwen? we saw that in s2e2

[coarse grove]

Elder Quintus asks the Commonwealth for reinforcements and supplies in season 1 and the Prydwen drops them off.

[ruby lichen]

i did wonder if they built it, or if there was a military arsenal in boston/somewhere else

[coarse grove]

No, they're airships with different names. They're not all named the Prydwen.

The Prydwen left in season 1, Elder Quintus has his own airship named the Caswennan.

[ruby lichen]

because they said the airship was a pre-war invention wasnt it?

[austere tendon]

well they ddidn't say that, but in s2 we see it prewar..

[coarse grove]

Zeppelins are pre-war designs but the schematics weren't available until the Brotherhood from DC puts them to use.

Which is just Bethesda grabbing airships from tactics and officially putting them in the lore tbh.

[coarse grove]

It's the age old method of story telling where they show us, without telling us. Seeing the Zeppelins prewar just confirms that airships existed before Fallout 4 and Tactics, meaning that the Brotherhood got ahold of schematics to make them. That's all really. It's not as complicated as people make it out to be.

[austere tendon]

well yeah they for sure existed prewar

took them 4 years to build the Prydwen, 2 years to collect the parts
hm

no waity

"It took the Brotherhood's sharpest minds over two years to design and more than twice that to build."

"Brotherhood's sharpest minds over two years to design"

[coarse grove]

It's safe to assume the Commonwealth shared the schematics with other chapters, or made more airships and sent them over.

[austere tendon]

" There were less advanced versions of this ship built on the West Coast a long time ago.
Historical records about their current status are in dispute, but we're fairly certain that they were destroyed."

hm okay

[coarse grove]

Yeah the prydwen is not a 1 to 1 model, Kells talks about this. The Prydwen had to be modified especially to carry liberty prime.

[blissful depot]

IIRC the indiania jones fridge thing has been referenced in every piece of fallout media since NV

[lofty needle]

ive just gone on twitter (yeah horrible idea i know) apparently a lot of people really dont like season 2 so far

[blissful depot]

its me

[lofty needle]

oh lol

[blissful depot]

i think the show is so bad (bc it is)

[lofty needle]

i get certains parts for disliking it and there are aspects of it i dont like but i dont think its awful by any means

[blissful depot]

i just think them reseting the west coasts development back to zero is such bs

[lofty needle]

i get that, im still subscribing to the idea it hasnt been reset just yet like we havent seen the actual NCR yet or lost hills and supposedly the rest of the western bos chapters

[empty crane]

and we probably won't

[lofty needle]

on the topic of this, i know alot of people havent been hyper analysing leaks and stuff like in this discord BUT alot of people on twitter seem to think this is the actual caesar (nv one)

[empty crane]

the implication is that the ncr is completely fucked though

an ncr collapse could have been cooler if it was gradual due to food shortages in california

the nuke was dumb

[lofty needle]

the NCR is definitely significantly weakened and although it could be gone gone one we dont know that it is just yet

[blissful depot]

if it wasnt actually ceasr there would be no legion

[lofty needle]

its one of the brothers

there are two brothers leading the legion now

[empty crane]

no way lol

[blissful depot]

guaruntee there gonna go for yesman or ceasar ending

[empty crane]

caeser is almost 100% dead by the time of the show

[blissful depot]

not if legion ending

[empty crane]

they'll try their best to wiggle around an ending but it's house for sure

[lofty needle]

the show is going for the "every faction thinks theyve won" which basically just means they're not gonna confirm any ending is true

so we wont get confirmation on a nv ending

[empty crane]

victor is operational, the securitrons are upgraded, house lives

with the ncr being obliterated house lost all his money and new vegas turned into a shithole

[blissful depot]

eh i only care about 1 and 2 so idc what nv ending

[eager folio]

Well that very direct

[eager folio]

Again
People forget the BoS is no longer its true self

[lofty needle]

Yeah thats what im saying

These are just some chapters not the bos as a whole

[weary sorrel]

All the more reason for the proper BoS (Commonwealth and whoever else backs them) to stomp on these goofball raiders LARP'ing as the Brotherhood.

[eager folio]

But you are talking about people in twitter
They are just stupid to begin with

[lofty needle]

oh yeah true lmao

[pastel hatch]

Am I the only one that thinks Shady Sands looked better in FO2 than in the Fallout show

[lofty needle]

i agree i wish they kept the style of the adobe buildings

[pastel hatch]

Not just that, the way it’s depicted in the show looks…weird. Putting aside the retcon of its entire location now being within some city, there’s too much debris around as if they’re still renovating after a century later. Also, there’s no wall like in FO2, and a small nitpick is that the laser gate is gone.

Also did the show forget that the NCR literally has working cars?

[lofty needle]

i agree it also just felt a bit "smaller" than it should have? like it didnt come across as somewhere that was once the NCR's primary capital

[lofty needle]

this too

[lofty needle]

when wee see the season 1 scene of the crater which extends pretty much up to that blue sign on the right, i figured shady sands would be enourmous now (as it probably should be 50 years after fallout 2) but uh yeah its kinda disappointing that most of that space isnt used / is farmland

you can actually just see the main building at the centre of town from that picture which makes it feel tiny

[austere tendon]

it looks like cars on the roads, unless it's all wrecks (probably is, knowing bethesda)

[pastel hatch]

They’re all wrecks. Bethesda wouldn’t show a working car ever.

[lofty needle]

oh yknow what it acc looks bigger than i remember from watching that episode

[pastel hatch]

(Post-war)

[lofty needle]

its a shame cause nv references it a bunch but obv engine limitations mean we dont see them in action but a tv format is perfect to showcase this kind of thing

they could even reintroduce the bos having ground vehicles like those humvees in tactics if they wanted to

[austere tendon]

okay so this is this road gg

[lofty needle]

i suppose one could make the arguement that they wouldnt leave 200 year old car wrecks on their main road so perhaps they are real vehicles

[pure kernel]

Yeah the ncr definitely wouldnt leave rusty shit like that laying around

[normal veldt]

Yes but the small fridge you found just south of Goodsprings didn't have a kid in it (the person is dead, Obsidian was making fun of that movie)
But according to Bethesda a kid could survive for 200+ years in a fridge by turning into a ghoul and also not go feral (without the serum you see in the show?) for some reason (oh wait kids are immortal in Bethesda games lol)

[pure kernel]

The depiction of shady is cool but it doesnt really look like it could house 30 something thousand people tbh

Also maximus’s parents being surprised when the water comes back rad-free, that was also strange

Unless shady sands was just resettled for whatever reason

[lofty needle]

i interpretted this as maximus' parents are new arrivals at shady sands so they werent familiar with the geck water

[normal veldt]

I remember Hanlon mentioned that NCR had a water shortage

[lofty needle]

cause they says something about this changing everything or i cant remember the exact line (might have been something about settling down)

[lofty needle]

could be that too

[pure kernel]

Yes but the capital of the ncr which has been established for nearly a century would have clean water no?

It would be pretty trivial by that point

Sucks they retconned the original shady, which had completely walled in and laser guarded gates, realistically that bomb would not have gotten into the settlement without inspection

No NCR police in the blue uniforms either

[lofty needle]

i mean i assumed since shady sands was founded with a GECK it would have purified water anyway

[pure kernel]

Yeah since the geck is literally a paradise on earth

[lofty needle]

yee

[pure kernel]

They produce it pretty much indefinitely

Idk, its pretty obvious the show has a completely different interpretation of shady sands, which is a bummer but what can ya do

[lofty needle]

altho shady sands does look significantly differenet from what we've previously seen, i will say it looks significantly better than anywhere we've seen in like... the whole wasteland really

[pure kernel]

Yeah, not a high bar to clear though lol, since they haven’t shown all the other prospering states for whatever reason

They have to atleast mention vault city or hub at some point

[lofty needle]

yeah tbf lol

[lofty needle]

we might get luckier i feel like them making shady sands the first capital surely invites the idea of us visiting the real capital at some point way down theline (maybe im being optimistic)

[torpid cargo]

Minus 2, he failed to actually kill his wife lmfao

[tame current]

Yeah it is a shame no adobe structures were seen
At least we had the pillar and the well
But I would really appreciate some adobe love

[tame current]

I'm thinking
The new capital possibly has that system implemented?

[pastel hatch]

Craziest conspiracy theory since the Fallout 3 graveyard “ghost”

[tame current]

Tbf the implied functional cargo trucks in McCarran didn't look any better lol

[tame current]

Huh

Was that a creepypasta or smth

[lofty needle]

to be fair the tv show did show thw working tram, so by extension im sure the showrunners are aware they have cars

[tame current]

Maybe it is because we were too far away to see them but I didn't see any trams running, actually

I do suppose they were still there lol

[lofty needle]

i dont think its in the season 2 scene, but they show it moving in the season 1 scene of shady sands before it was bombed

[tame current]

Yeah they were cute there
I like public transportation :]

[lofty needle]

true its crazy how something as simple as a train has become so rare that its just nice to see when it does pop up

[tame current]

I actually like that they show Shady having that
And if Shady had it as a now less important location than before imagine which other NCR cities could have it

You would think New Vegas would mention that with something other than the monorail or the rail line that the Powder Gangers doing jail time were building for the NCR

[fallen wagon]

they completely butchered shady. its not supposed to be another diamond city or megaton scrap heap

[tame current]

But like
It literally isn't
It looks a whole lot better than those three

The skyscrapers are one thing
The town itself is another

[fallen wagon]

its not an actual functioning town its a scrap heap, thats the issue

like most of bethesda's world building

[tame current]

Tell me of another town in Fallout that has functioning trams

[torpid cargo]

It looked functioning to me, a town hall with a park, clean streets. Soldiers patrolling. Public trams.

[tame current]

Cleanest water in the West

And that is during a water shortage, mind you

[honest flint]

I hope the east coast Brotherhood and West coast brotherhood both die in the battle and the BOS never shows up again

[fallen wagon]

the tram is just another element thats not rly thought out at all. so apparently they have trams but not actual trains

[torpid cargo]

Tho it’s funny how they have a water shortage, and have to drill for water, when the backbone of the NCRs economy and currency was water merchants.

[fallen wagon]

and instead theyre lugging thru the dirt on caravans

[tame current]

Caravans that have been present and important for the NCR for, like, ever?

Agriculture

[torpid cargo]

I can understand this. Much easier to get a basically bus on rails powered by electricity going, than some of the trains in Fallout. Especially if they’re the ones from 4 lol.

[tame current]

Non broken windows and actual proper bunkering of houses for once

[fallen wagon]

there are a million other things to power before you power public transport in a city that seemingly covers maybe 10 square kilometers

namely defense and logistics

[torpid cargo]

Hey the fact our courier friend made it from supposedly the mojave, to Shady Sands (it’s new location) alone, with scrambled eggs for brains and not get mugged, attacked or fucked with, tells me a lot about the NCRs safety and prosperity.

[tame current]

Thissss

Not to mention that I have not seen a city that clean in Fallout since FO2

[torpid cargo]

If they showed the Boneyard as a more ruined scrap heap, but still populated I’d be okay with that.

[raven fossil]

yet they missed the nuke and didn't think twice about his behavior

[tame current]

Complacency kills
Plus the implication that the guy seemed familiar to them and just a PTSD victim

[fallen wagon]

thats also an issue. so apparently they fixed up a city's tram lines and trams, so they have understanding of engineering, but arent maintaining trucks

[tame current]

Hey not to mention
The farm outside city limits our one friend passed that literally had an NCR flag

[fallen wagon]

or vertibirds... or their laser barriers... but instead they have trams. where is the logic

[tame current]

You could literally ask the same about the trucks in Camp McCarran
They seem to be functional and the implication is that they are NCR but they are not that well looking

[fallen wagon]

its kinda like nuka world just casually having a functioning mono rail being operated by the bandits

[lofty needle]

in lore they do have trains but ye ig they dont show it well in the show

[tame current]

It is literally not the same though?
Those trams seem better maintained than that

[pastel hatch]

There’s like two soldiers guarding the very open entrance to the NCR senate building LMAO.

[fallen wagon]

they are being maintained and being used in logistics, what do you mean

[torpid cargo]

Plenty of power from both Helios, and the Dam, for the short period between the events of NV, and the bombing of shady.

[lofty needle]

i mean canonically the NCR does have trucks, trains, a few vertibirds etc but i mean i think the flashback just wanted to show a functioning and civilised society and it gets that point across quite well

[pastel hatch]

Probably has to do with the fact that the Mojave campaign is poorly supported and funded.

[lofty needle]

we've never seen a place look so just normal in any fallout game before

[tame current]

How would you know
Like yeah it is an engine/asset thing but they are rusty and static

[pastel hatch]

Sort of derailing but one thing I never wondered was why didn’t the NCR use mortars against the Legion or the Brotherhood.

[tame current]

Hmm
Nope! This is just casually having a functioning Highwayman being operated by a tribal

[fallen wagon]

how they look in game is irrelevant since the lore implicitly states they are being used by NCR. where are the trucks in shady?

[lofty needle]

i mean they dont need to show 100% everything, there's only so much they can show and they've got things they want to prioritise

pure water, ncr soldiers + rangers, normal buildings, normal society etc

its just to get across that we have a place thats basically just normal

i get what youre saying we should expect more

[fallen wagon]

arguably the monorail being "used" by NCR on the strip is also dumb, considering how much they have to pay for electricity. but at least they have an excuse since they are already using trucks

[lofty needle]

and im hoping they show us more in other NCR locations later on

[tame current]

how they look in show is irrelevant since the lore implicitly states they are being used by NCR. where are the cars in mccarran?

[fallen wagon]

the problem isnt that. the problem is that when people argue shady is well represented, when in reality its just absolutely not.

[fallen wagon]

what cars?

[lofty needle]

i wouldnt say its perfect at all, but for the purpose of the tv show it suffices

its not what i expected at all

its completely different from previous games

but it works

it it isnt so egregious that it ruins the ncr or anything

[tame current]

How
It has not even been the capital for God knows since when and for it to be look at least like a really comfy pre-War town really speaks well not only for Shady but for the NCR as a whole

[fallen wagon]

its basically a diamond city/rivet city esque trash heap with people farming on tomato planters, the city not making any sense and yet they have perfectly maintained trams for example. its just dumb

[lofty needle]

yeah i wouldnt go this far

i dont think its like diamond or rivet city at all

[tame current]

It literally dosen't look like Diamond City or Rivet City
It looks pre-War

[torpid cargo]

You’d grow food wherever you can.

[lofty needle]

on appearance alone it looks less like something makeshift (made off old world ruins) and more something thats newly built up and constructed

[pastel hatch]

Someone already mentioned this, but THIS should be the definitive look for Shady Sands.

[lofty needle]

the town hall for example

[tame current]

Again
No random holes in walls

[lofty needle]

but yeah i agree this should be what it was

but its definitely not as bad as diamond city

[fallen wagon]

they are growing food in the city center, you dont really wanna do this in a supposed large city

[tame current]

This is cool artwork

[pastel hatch]

What we got was the bare minimum.

[lofty needle]

you would do it in a city that was built with a geck tho - this is why they can farm in a city in the desert

[torpid cargo]

Unfortunately, the whole town is still just gone if the nuke is intercepted at the gate, instead of the center lol.

[lofty needle]

same reason shady sands has pure water

[tame current]

Oh brother
As if cities sometimes even have a choice

[fallen wagon]

its essentially rivet city or diamond city. something that's built into the existing infrastructure or remains of it. instead of what shady in actuality is.

[pastel hatch]

Consistent logic or plot progression? Choose wisely.

[lofty needle]

but shady sands isnt built into existing infrastructure

[tame current]

By that logic Vegas and Boston are the same thing

[torpid cargo]

red pill blue pill moment

[lofty needle]

its got the skyscraper backdrop but its not using those buildings

[tame current]

Because they were both protected from nuke strikes

[fallen wagon]

in the show it is. its squatting a bunch of abandoned cityscape.

[pastel hatch]

Well it’s been retconned. Now it’s in some random ass city.

[torpid cargo]

Moving Shady right by LA was not the move I’d have made.

[tame current]

Surronded rather
People do live in shacks. They live in actually competently built houses

[high sandal]

I don't think it matters too much, grand scheme of things.

[tame current]

Was the one they made back when they started developing S1, and it was retconned right in S2

[pastel hatch]

And tbh, it makes Shady Sands less impressive. The entire capital was built in the desert from the ground up originally.

[high sandal]

Yeah I think a smoking crater with nothing around it would have had a better effect so I don't know why they did that.

But on the flip side it's probably a bit more believable that Shady sprouted out of some existing infrastructure.

Overall I don't mind the change. I just don't think it was necessary.

[pastel hatch]

Counteracted by the fact it look likes the surroundings haven’t been touched since they started building Shady Sands over a century later.

[tame current]

Honestly as it was
Shady was supposedly built in the middle of Death Valley
And I don't think it would have gotten as big as it did being in the middle of Death Valley

[high sandal]

I think it harms the vibe of the NCR being a self sufficient new nation, but like, if they can build it back up to have organised ground troops and trams and shit I'll give them that.

[lofty needle]

about that adobe style of buildings being changed i wonder if (if they ever do) they will show arroyo in the same style as the tv show place or have it keep its unique aesthetic

[tame current]

For them to have that capacity hammers the point of them being a self-sufficient new nation, methinks

[high sandal]

Yeah. It's not a complete reversal or w/e. Just don't think they needed to do it.

[tame current]

Serious question
Do we think this Arroyo meant to be in the same place as the destroyed Arroyo

[pastel hatch]

They’ll reveal that Arroyo, Hub, and Vault City are abandoned and taken over by squatters, mutants, and raiders with no context whatsoever, calling it.

[tame current]

Fair enough

[high sandal]

No way

[lofty needle]

idk they could have moved its location (this one would have acc made more sense to move)

[high sandal]

They can't bin the NCR like that.

It's too far.

[pastel hatch]

Well, it would be consistent with their current storytelling technique.

[tame current]

If you actually nail this one I owe you money
If you don't you owe me money

[lofty needle]

i feel since theyre showing the legion still somewhat capable presumeably, the ncr will likely still be doing somewhat alright too

[high sandal]

No matter your issues with it, you can't think it's that bad

[fallen wagon]

they already sort of did. or the writers are just pretending that a nuke that killed 30k (according to them, the population of shady) instantly collapsed a faction of roughly 1-2 million

[high sandal]

Except Moldaver literally had NCR HQ on her shit

It's not gone, there's a load of flags and people still fighting for it

I do think they've not shown enough of it where it's all going down, it's my main criticism of the show - but it's not gone

[tame current]

Why are people perpetuating this
People act like Todd came from the screen and said that to their face

[lofty needle]

this is optimistic af here but - it could be that the NCR simply just abandoned the boneyard (probably mojave by extension) and may still be fine in the rest of their states

[high sandal]

Nations like the NCR tend to be able to take a hit. I very much doubt it's gone.

[pastel hatch]

There’s nothing suggesting the NCR has completely collapsed, at least not yet.

[lofty needle]

most of the NCR we see in season 1 are just refugees displaced by shady sands falling

[weary sorrel]

Though, wouldn't the NCR have pulled out all the stops to hold onto the Mojave? Hoover Dam alone'd provide plenty of electricity even if they'd have to redirect the electricity to other cities.

[tame current]

Not optimistic at all imo
Reasonable take to have
I have it
I might be biased though if you couldn't tell lol

[lofty needle]

but the NCR proper could still be about

[high sandal]

I guess it depends how they end NV canonically.

NCR might be forced to pull back.

That or, once Shady's gone... what's the point in the area

[fallen wagon]

this should say NCR LA HQ then shouldnt it

[high sandal]

No?

[pastel hatch]

Which is not what they’re doing ofc

[high sandal]

You know you're in LA

Why say that

[tame current]

No

You have object permanence

You don't need to remember that this is LA

[high sandal]

"NCR Headquarters, LA, NCR, North America, Earth, Milky Way..."

[weary sorrel]

Still, the proper NCR showing up in force at the end of S2 would certainly go a long way towards dispelling the 'Where's the real NCR' fellas that've popped up since S1.

[sand thicket]

The NCR is cooked

[fallen wagon]

to make it obvious to the viewer that they are supposedly doing fine in their heartland, instead of signaling to viewers the NCR are gone?

[high sandal]

Mate their capital got nuked

[scenic wolf]

NCR still at camp golf surprisingly, thought they get forced out of there if they lose

[high sandal]

There's every possibility they've pulled out of the area in all but token forces

[pastel hatch]

Well no shit, their capital got nuked and the Brotherhood are showing up in full force.

[sand thicket]

There’s people coping

[lofty needle]

shady sands isnt their capital (it's their first capital)

[weary sorrel]

It's not clear Shady was even their capital at the time Hank did a little nuclear trolling.

[tame current]

Why would a sign signify otherwise

[sand thicket]

Trying to think of an excuse that the ncr is still standing

[torpid cargo]

The Hub, Junktown, Vault City and Necropolis all just decided to commit suicide I guess.

[pastel hatch]

What if they’re deserters?

[sand thicket]

There’s no hope

[weary sorrel]

Hank very well could've nuked the NCR equivalent of Philadelphia.

[sand thicket]

Todd has always liked the brotherhood more than any other faction

[scenic wolf]

Why would they mention having NCR ideals then

[high sandal]

Yeah it saying "First capital" is also interesting.

That implies a second.

Meaning they'd already moved away in some form.

Once it's nuked... why stay in force?

[pastel hatch]

So. What is your evidence that the NCR collapsed after a single city composing a fraction of their population was nuked?

[lofty needle]

yeah there really isnt anything to suggest that the NCR has just vanished

[sand thicket]

I never said they vanished

[pastel hatch]

No, I mean like if there was an order to abandon the Mojave, they refused.

[lofty needle]

one city has been hit and theyre not in the boneyard cause theyve pulled out now that the bos are there

[fallen wagon]

you're giving the writers credit here. everyone who understands the lore assumes they are pulling back to NCR heartland and whatever their new capital, but it's getting kinda clear the writers aren't as smart as people like to give them credit for.

[scenic wolf]

It's been 20 years or so too

[sand thicket]

But they are no longer a superpower

[tame current]

For no one to have noticed the fact you have said that a couple of times now is a feeling I also understand brother
Some ppl smh

[sand thicket]

They can’t stand toe to toe with any chapter of the brotherhood

[torpid cargo]

Not seeing them at all during a walk from LA to the Mojave is one thing.

[lofty needle]

lmao real

[pastel hatch]

Dawg, you literally said there’s nothing to suggest “they’re still standing”.

[high sandal]

I'm giving them no credit.

They haven't written this stuff in. Yet.

But they also haven't said the NCR is dead and gone.

[lofty needle]

they wouldnt be on this path at all, if theyve withdrawn from the boneyard theyve certainly also left the mojave cause only the long 15 connects the two

[high sandal]

Like, this is my main complaint with the show and I'm still not gonna jump on it as much as you are.

The main issue is we simply don't know

and for such a big player in the region that's pretty shit.

[tame current]

Truth

We really need more lore dumps for such a power

[lofty needle]

i mean why bother retconning shady sands into the "first" capital if the NCR proper doesnt exist elsewhere

[sand thicket]

They can’t do anything just let the brotherhood take cold fusion from them

[tame current]

I need them at least

[high sandal]

It could have pulled out. Died. Moved. We literally don't know.

We're having to imply shit from scraps like the billboard saying Shady was its first capital, implying movement.

[pastel hatch]

Yes, but that doesn’t that they’re not standing.

[sand thicket]

Not sending reinforcements having rag tag looking dudes guarding their “Headquarters” at Griffith

[fallen wagon]

giving credit in assuming the NCR are still around and a force to be reckoned with, when they havent shown any real NCR strength in 1.5 seasons. its just cope at this point hoping the writers un-forget the NCR are supposed to be the dominant faction on the west coast.

[pastel hatch]

Still standing -/- being a superpower.

[sand thicket]

This is exactly what I’m talking about

Stop coping

This is what happens when Todd has control

[high sandal]

1.5 seasons

Dude we've only had 2 episodes of 2

[sand thicket]

It’s over

Trust me I like the ncr just as much as the brotherhood as a faction

But Todd doesn’t

[lofty needle]

he doesnt though, the showrunner is a new vegas fan

todd is effectively a consultant

[sand thicket]

Really doesn’t look like it

[tame current]

Yes brother
I hate when Todd came to my house and threatened my family at gun point while Bethesda burned our crops and our houses

[sand thicket]

The show runner can say whatever

[weary sorrel]

To be fair, Moldaver's operation could've not had official sanction from the current NCR government; her ramblings about Vault-Tec being behind Shady's nuking might've not earned much support from the higher-ups.

[high sandal]

This ain't a cope this is just accepting I don't know yet.

If they say it's all dead and gone I'll be right there with you.

But given how shit it would be to write such a faction out of existence, in a show as self aware as to call out the BoS chapter for being overly religious, I don't think we're at "IT'S ALL OVER FUCK TODD" yet.

[sand thicket]

There’s a difference between what people say and what people do

[pastel hatch]

Lmao, just stop. We’re talking about something that hasn’t even been totally proven, substantiated, or written into the canon. We don’t know the status of the NCR, and until otherwise, there’s zero evidence that the NCR is collapsed.

[torpid cargo]

Todd bringing the east into all of this and making the west look weak and incompetent sure makes me wonder.

[high sandal]

I mean that's kind of a theme with the BoS.

The west remained insular and cut off while the East expanded.

It's literally a cause of a schism in 3.

[weary sorrel]

I mean, I'll take the Commonwealth chapter any day of the week over the abject embarrassment to Roger Maxson's legacy that is Quintus and friends.

[fallen wagon]

Todd/emil's agenda for this show is pretty obviously just making the commonwealth bos the space marines of fallout. they're likely just winging it to get there lmao

[sand thicket]

We know they lost cold fusion to the brotherhood and won’t do anything about it and their apparent “headquarters” in LA was a rag tag base at an observatory with soldiers looking like they just entered the wasteland

[tame current]

I mean it is a net positive for the NCR at least?
No more West Brotherhood = More possible land! :]

[lofty needle]

i know alot of people buy into this way of thinking but i geniunely dont think this is the case

[sand thicket]

That’s what I’m saying it’s literally so in our face people keep coping thinking oh no there’s still hope for the ncr no there’s no confirmation they are weak the ncr is still mighty

[violet plover]

That's just the Brotherhood, also it was Obsidian that had the Brotherhood do a 180 and start a war with the NCR

[weary sorrel]

Seriously, Quintus's bozos make the Mojave chapter look like Lyons's Brotherhood by comparison.

[pastel hatch]

There could literally be a number of reasons for them not doing so. Maybe there’s no point in sending soldiers a long distance when they can keep them at home to defend critical assets? Idfk.

[fallen wagon]

2 more weeks, and NCR strength will be revealed amirite

[sand thicket]

A long distance?

[torpid cargo]

After yesterday’s discussion on Maxson taking over leadership and making the east the new heartland of the BoS, I get this.

[sand thicket]

They were right next to the boneyard

[high sandal]

Or, equivalently, Moldaver was trying to fix some power in an area the NCR considered lost and gone because Shady got nuked and they'd pulled out.

So they gave her fuck all resources because it relied on an Enclave defector and would actively provoke the Brotherhood in to action, which is something an overstretched NCR would neither want or be able to cope with.

[tame current]

Honestly I really hate that people actually thing that they have it in for them personally
I have only seen this phenomenon in the Fallout community and I have to ask literally why
Companies don't care about you specifically, why would Bethesda or Obsidian or Interplay be any different?

[pastel hatch]

Again, we don’t know what their status is. But we can’t just automatically assume that just because they didn’t send any help their whole fucking country is just dead in the water.

[high sandal]

There are perfectly legitimate reasons shit went down as it did.

The problem is y'all are assuming the worst and any time someone goes "well we don't know but it could be X" you call it cope.

We simply don't know. Which arguably is bad writing in itself but don't just go assuming the worst.

[lofty needle]

yeah its such a conspiracy that oh bethesda just hate the old fallout game fans lmao

[sand thicket]

All we have seen in this show is the NCR losing and getting shit on

[weary sorrel]

Kinda reminds me of how Major Kieran's relief op in Freeside got bupkis resources from the NCR.

[high sandal]

If anything else, it's a shit mentality for life.

[sand thicket]

The showrunners don’t care about appealing to fans

They care about appealing to the masses to get viewership and make more money

[lofty needle]

yeah like why do you have this intensely pessimistic view of things

[pastel hatch]

Then what’s with all the fuck off amounts of fan service?

[high sandal]

Are you shitting me? Who the fuck do you think they think will consume it? That's a ready made player base. Look at all the jokes and fan service.

If anything you are coping now.

[sand thicket]

Fan service isn’t really appealing to real fans

The fan service is alright

[pastel hatch]

Then WHO THE FUCK IS IT FOR???

[sand thicket]

But that’s not the point

[high sandal]

Look, the simple answer is I think if you were right we'd all be there with you and annoyed - but you're reaching hard to the point you're going in to unknowns.

It's a valid annoyance to have but at least see how S2 ends before you bitch?

[tame current]

I hate that elitism between """"real fans"""" and """"tourists"""" btw
That's just actual no sense discrimination

[sand thicket]

What I’m trying to say is the showrunners aren’t concerned with making a good show for only fallout fans

[sand thicket]

I’m not

[tame current]

Yea you are

[sand thicket]

I dont have a problem with

[tame current]

Yes you do

[sand thicket]

You guys need to give me a moment to explain

[pastel hatch]

Idk what to tell you man. You’ve been ranting endlessly about “BUT NCR DED CUZ THIS”, and I’ve been trying to tell you that we don’t know that despite the goalpost moving.

[sand thicket]

I like this show and I like every fallout game

[torpid cargo]

It’s strange how the Ghoul and Lucy didn’t run into any NCR already, since a straight path from the Boneyard to the Mojave passes right between The Hub and Junktown.

Unless they just went all the way around for some reason. The show didn’t even bother to give us a travel montage, that’s like a 2 week walk.

[pastel hatch]

I really really doubt they actually took a straight line through to Vegas like that.

[high sandal]

Perhaps Lucy's dad was avoiding NCR patrols.

[sand thicket]

But what I’m trying to say is from what I’ve seen they are sparking controversy

[high sandal]

Given he was in brotherhood power armour.

[sand thicket]

Unknowingly

[high sandal]

And they were tracking him remember.

[fallen wagon]

i dont think its impossible they are hurt by FNV being the golden boy, considering how protective they are of their main IPs. that kotaku interview of the fo76 QA's lives rent free in my head every time this comes up. BGS maryland basically just treated everyone outside their clique with contempt

[sand thicket]

Because they showrunners can’t only make the show for fallout fans to make money they need to capitalize on all possible audiences

They can’t pick and choose

It’s the same for other products

[high sandal]

I agree with you, they want to sell to as many as possible.

But.

That doesn't make things mutually exclusive.

[sand thicket]

They have to change because they need broader markets

[weary sorrel]

By that logic, wouldn't it make sense to include the NCR as well? Veteran Rangers alone are quite marketable and distinct.

[high sandal]

And why not start with what you know works with a large group of people, i.e a fanbase, when trying to make it work for many?

[sand thicket]

Which will inevitably make purists upset

[scenic wolf]

Idk about that, Hanks whole thing is wiping out the factions on the surface to wipe the slate clean, the stakes wouldn't be very high if he's just blowing up some fringe city that's barely used

[sand thicket]

It happens with any form of media that gets adapted or changed into something else

[high sandal]

Yeah honestly including the NCR as a faction would probably work for Normies a bit better than just... not

[pastel hatch]

Then there was zero reason at all to include things that any casual viewers would not recognize whatsoever.

[high sandal]

Because they're such a standard faction

[sand thicket]

They cant please everyone

[high sandal]

That doesn't mean they're going to actively displease people though does it.

You're leaping again

[sand thicket]

You clearly don’t h defeated what I’m saying

[violet plover]

Most "Purists" are a minority of New Vegas ultra fans and dudes in their 30s-40s who are still bitter that Bethesda bought Fallout

[sand thicket]

This is hard to explain through texts

There’s different sects of fallout fans

[high sandal]

I get what you're saying I just don't think the logic is sound.

[weary sorrel]

If that was his intent, Hank forgot Vault City, New Reno, maybe Arroyo if it joined the NCR, Dayglow, etc, unless he had mind controlled fellas sneak nukes into every major NCR city and detonate them.

[sand thicket]

The types who hate the Bethesda fallout 3 4 and 76

And like 1 2 and NV

[high sandal]

I think you're assuming that in order to sell to everyone they're going to displease fans.

Aside from those who will be "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" anyway, why would they have to?

[sand thicket]

Casuals who like 4 and 76

[high sandal]

Why would they not just start with what works and move on, if they're looking to please people?

[sand thicket]

Those who like only 3d fallouts

[high sandal]

There's no reason to just obliterate the NCR to appease normies or FO4 fans as like... why would they want that

What does that give?

I don't see this as a valid reason for what's happening

[sand thicket]

There’s a video that goes in depth on the types of people who like fallout but it’s really complicated

[high sandal]

Or what you're assuming will happen

[sand thicket]

It’s not just the Fallout 1 2 and NV vs Bethesda fallout fans

[weary sorrel]

If anything, normies'd eat up NCR stuff just as much as they do Brotherhood stuff; just because NCR doesn't have the big imposing power armor doesn't mean they're not marketable.

[high sandal]

Yes I know the different types of Fallout, NV is post post apocalypse, 3 is post apocalypse etc, I know how they differ but the core themes can still be achieved without doing what was being argued in here

You can keep the NCR and just have them fuck around in no mans land if you want

[pastel hatch]

Case in point, Ranger armor.

[sand thicket]

But no matter how the show ends

There’s always going to be people who hate it

And people who love it

[torpid cargo]

Why bother explaining a faction half your fanbase will understand and connect to, when you can just bring in a faction from the newer games instead?

[high sandal]

So why bring in the Brotherhood in such a way and the Legion?

Or House?

[fallen wagon]

you'd be surprised how many moronic decisions on the writing level start by some decently high up person just going "WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF (x idiotic thing)" and then everyone having to work around it

[sand thicket]

They had to leave out many things so they don’t exposition dump which is proof they care about fans

But the normies won’t understand which in turn leads them to play the games to try to understand more

[high sandal]

I wouldn't be surprised at that.

My point is I don't think this supports what's going on, and I don't think its as bad as y'all are saying. Yet.

[sand thicket]

It’s a good business model

[high sandal]

You're looking for a reason to hate it and assuming it's shit for X, or Y, or Z reason when we just don't know.

If they do kill the NCR, I'll agree with you.

[weary sorrel]

Legion I am.... cautiously optimistic to see; if any group can slap some sense into Lucy and maybe have it stick, it's the Legion.

[high sandal]

But we simply haven't seen that.

[sand thicket]

I’m not looking for a reason to hate the show

I like the show

[high sandal]

Yeah if anyone can show Lucy how bad shit gets it's them

[sand thicket]

And I like every fallout game

I’ve played all of them except for brotherhood of steel

[high sandal]

You're lying, no-one's played tactics.

[torpid cargo]

10 minutes count

[high sandal]

I didn't manage 5.

(It wouldn't run.)

[sand thicket]

I’ve played tactics

[torpid cargo]

It seems weird to bring back the NCR, after the cast and story has moved beyond their core territory.

[sand thicket]

But haven’t beaten it

[fallen wagon]

i said at the start of ep1 that ncr are hiding back at their heartland and that theyll converge with the plot whenever the writers need them to. they just dont have any influence on the currently running arcs so the writers pretend they dont exist. i'd be surprised if they did just thanos snap them into the shadow realm

[sand thicket]

In fact I haven’t beaten fallout 4 either

[high sandal]

Yeah I've never done the final quests. I got them spoiled for each faction before I got there so couldn't be arsed.

Done up to them though.

[fallen wagon]

you played fallout extreme? damn son

[sand thicket]

I haven’t beaten all of them though

[weary sorrel]

Besides, the NCR showing up in force to stomp on the Legion or Brotherhood is a hype moment that practically writes itself.

[high sandal]

I mean that could be their reset for season 3 tbh.

[fallen wagon]

this

[high sandal]

If they wanna keep constant conflict in play.

[sand thicket]

The showrunners said season 3 will directly influence fallout 5

[high sandal]

It's a faction that even if you don't want to include, is nice to keep in reserve. So you wouldn't kill them off.

[sand thicket]

Fallout 5 is really the last straw for me man

[weary sorrel]

Fellas haven't perma-killed the Enclave after 2 major defeats, after all.

[torpid cargo]

This is really ambiguous, effect like how Fallout 3 affected 4? Or..?

[sand thicket]

No confirmation

But that’s what I would guess

[high sandal]

Rip Rileys Rangers tho 😢

[pastel hatch]

America never dies, son.

[sand thicket]

Like how harkness the synth in fallout 3 and all the nods to synths

[torpid cargo]

I forget about them every playthrough of 3. Can’t be arsed

[sand thicket]

Yeah

[high sandal]

Yeah they're annoying to get to.

[sand thicket]

It’s so minute they could’ve easily made 4 with none of the synth allusions in 3

[high sandal]

I've always wondered what came first.

Them knowing where to put 4, or them putting 4 there and someone pointing out what was said in 3.

[torpid cargo]

Oh my god the enclave sneaking back in and setting up a giant above ground, out in the open research facility, in California kinda annoys me.

[fallen wagon]

this is what they should have done with the random skyscraper ruins in shady.

[sand thicket]

I really think Bethesda is making things up as they go

[torpid cargo]

Fuck that, one slip your gone.

[high sandal]

Tbh 200 year old ruins don't sound too safe to live in.

If you're actively building a civilisation, actively build it.

[weary sorrel]

Was it ever directly explained where exactly that Enclave base was?

[sand thicket]

Isn’t this van buren concepts

[fallen wagon]

yes. denver.

[pastel hatch]

Which is another reason why the Shady Sands retcon makes less sense.

[sand thicket]

Man I wish van buren actually came out

[high sandal]

I mean building it next to a salvage point makes sense

[fallen wagon]

fnv basically is van buren, minus the legion areas like denver

[high sandal]

You may not want to live in the skyscrapers but they can supply salvage for midrises and suburb level houses

[pastel hatch]

Dry Wells mod.

[fallen wagon]

abandoned skyscrapers in apocalypse is pure cinema. dying light 2 is worth playing just for that aspect

[high sandal]

That's honestly probably why they moved it.

With no other reasoning.

[sand thicket]

That’s another gripe I have with fallout 4

[torpid cargo]

Trinity Tower in fallout 4 didn’t seem that bad besides the mutants.

[sand thicket]

The verticality is so wasted

[high sandal]

But it does make sense as nearby salvage of materials.

[sand thicket]

Entire sky scrapers and at most only 3 levels are explorable

[high sandal]

Yeah but it ran like shit anyway even with that

I don't mind that, that's just a gameplay limitation

[sand thicket]

Yeah

[torpid cargo]

You may think the building your in is safe, but if the one Nextdoor isn’t well, gravity will show you eventually.

[high sandal]

Yeah genuinely

even in earthquakes now tall buildings are hazardous

200 years on? Forget it

Build nearby to scavenge it for mats but build low rises

[torpid cargo]

Ten penny tower is perfect.

[tame current]

Honestly Adytum is as vulnerable to that earthquake stuff as Shady is seemingly

[fallen wagon]

buildings dont rly have structural integrity in fallout. anything that comes down is usually by bomb damage

[high sandal]

Yeah but they do IRL

So it's not the worst argument.

[fallen wagon]

its just a weird quirk of the games like it being trivial to launch space ships

[torpid cargo]

In the wasteland, the chances of your high rise settlement being obliterated by a 17th century ship is low, but never 0.

[sand thicket]

I wish in fallout 4 there were better physics in power armor to make you think carefully about where you step

[tame current]

If that's the case those damn skyscrapers were built out of handwavium steel
They are still standing damn

[sand thicket]

Another way to make it more balanced

[torpid cargo]

Jump off Libertalia and walk back. Tell me how you feel then.

[sand thicket]

Yeah that’s a pain but power armor was too op

And libertalia was a wasted location

Such a unique place turned into nothing but a shooting gallery

[high sandal]

Lots of FO4 was wasted potential.

[tame current]

Can't talk there since I haven't played
But yeah they should have played more into the settlement building thing they have

[sand thicket]

The settlement building should’ve had more effect on the story

[high sandal]

Honestly the opposite.

They had strong locations they did nothing with. Should have had the locations actually do something and mean something and ease off making you build them all.

[sand thicket]

Since part of the reason why the world in fallout 4 is so stagnant and the cities are still lower qol of junktown is because of settlement mode

[tame current]

Valid
You know the Minutemen also seem cool enough for an East Coast NCR but they aren't seemingly

[sand thicket]

I hate when people try to use an excuse that the east was hit harder

[high sandal]

They could get there at least.

[weary sorrel]

Assuming they don't start beefing with the Brotherhood like the NCR did.

[tame current]

Maybe
Also Gunners seem to be wayyyy more than your average raider gang and definitely a bigger power than the Commonwealth but they don't act like anything other than raiders from the playthroughs I've seen

[sand thicket]

Fallout 5 should have no settlement mode and maybe just a camp setup like fo 76 only in certain locations

So our character can make a base of operations with limited build area

[sand thicket]

Yeah I was hoping there was more substance with the gunners and how some of them used to be minutemen I was expecting a climax to the minutemen quest with a battle in Quincy maybe dialogue with some gunners

Instead they are just raiders with better gear

The closest thing we get to anything of substance involving the gunners is MacCReady

[lyric sequoia]

What happened to the “BOS preserving pre war technology” but they end up destroying a 1955 thunderbird? Like are the writers getting enough sleep?

In this season so far it seems they’re just raiders in big suits

[sand thicket]

This chapter was intentionally written as odiots

These are the knights of San Fernando

[weary sorrel]

At the very least, it'd be better to strip the car for parts.

[high sandal]

Yeah their troops have pretty consistently been shown to be brainless morons.

[sand thicket]

And since the brotherhood was on the decline this chapter is probably comprised of leaders who were descendants from lost hills or San Francisco

And they also recruit random waste landers

Have way lower standards for recruiting compared to other chapters

[high sandal]

Yeah they've got diluted and lost their way hard

No fucking way would a normal BoS chapter do the branding shit

[sand thicket]

Yeah these guys are more pseudo religious

[weary sorrel]

Even Hidden Valley didn't stoop to this level, Codex-obsessed as MacNamara might've been back then.

[lyric sequoia]

Let’s get elder maxson back

[sand thicket]

These are the most mesthead chapter

[sand thicket]

Mascon is going to come back and obliterate this coup

There’s a reason why he has to control all the valuable tech

Cuz this chapter is so stupid

How do these guys even become knights

Playing with plasma grenades

[lyric sequoia]

Like you or someone else said hiring random wastelanders

[sand thicket]

Our player character in fallout 1 had to go on a suicide quest to join

Fallout 4 you have to be an errand boy

And this chapter ranking system is so wierd too

[weary sorrel]

I'd even take Hardin at this point, honestly.

[lyric sequoia]

lol

[sand thicket]

They have new ranks

Officers

And the chapter leader is an elder cleric

[scenic wolf]

So

[sand thicket]

I don’t understand these new ranks

Officers command knights ? And squires?

The clerics also do scribe stuff

[scenic wolf]

The first 3 episodes are setting up factions again, first episode set up Vault tec plot points and great Khans, EP 2 was mainly focused on BOS and some NCR history with legion dropped in at the end, I'm guessing that episode 3 is going to main focus legion and probably near the end of it The ghoul arrives with NCR forces and frees her

If NCR doesn't show up in 3 I'm guessing episode 4 will be all about them

[olive depot]

I don't know.. I can't see the ghoul working with anyone at this point....

[scenic wolf]

Na the show is very obviously setting up the ghoul and Lucy having a moral swap

Lucy will become a stone cold killer and the ghoul will become a bit softer

[olive depot]

But pointing out how the eps are setting up factions, it makes me reallllly want more than 20 eps in this season 🙂. I'm also hoping this isn't just a set up for S3 to be in New Vegas..... (Spend this season meeting the cast, and the players...but actually get into NV so late in the season that we don't get to enjoy it.)

[scenic wolf]

Na we already saw a trailer of them inside the walls

I'm guessing episodes 5-8 will all be in vegas

[normal veldt]

In season 3, Lucy will become a chem addict, dye her hair blue and join a raider gang

[scenic wolf]

Oh I was watching a video earlier and it showed something really interesting

Area 51 has the declaration of independence

Even tho we get it in fo3...

It really does look like one of these armors in the background

[torpid cargo]

That’s alright. We know there’s a few copies.

[scenic wolf]

The one in fo3 could be a ruse but idk I think they just forgot about that whole thing in 3

Makes more sense that it would be buried deep in an underground bunker for the national archives in Washington D.C. then out in the desert at area 51

[cold jetty]

Can someone make a smaller circle because I still don’t see it

[scenic wolf]

I thought this was power armor but it actually might be a statue or a bomb

Hm maybe not power armor after all

But it has that large frame with a hulking hunch like every other unused suit of power armor

Even looks like it has arms down the side

[normal veldt]

Reminds me of how Lincoln memorial head wind up in some cave in the Mojave, could be a replica?

[scenic wolf]

Isn't that a wild wasteland event

[normal veldt]

Not really

[shy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-shades-off-shocked-surprised-wtf-gif-214049199930703289

[high sandal]

I mean given it's A51 it makes sense if it's be an Enclave test suit

we already know it exists pre war thanks to Nuka world

[tired yew]

Ehh

Area 51 seems to have been offline this entire time which wouldn't make sense for enclave stuff directly

[high sandal]

I mean if they've not left anything of huge value there it might not be worth going back to.

If they'd stripped most of it out beforehand etc.

[tired yew]

It also wasn't really built for power armor R&D from the looks of it

[high sandal]

If it's just a suit of armour a car and an alien, eh

[tired yew]

The alien weapons are the most significant asset we know about

[normal veldt]

That reminds me, why didn't the Enclave bother to check out the Big MT? Shouldn't be hard for them to take over that place

I mean Elijah solo'd the 👁️ 👄 👁️ without getting lobotomised

[high sandal]

They'd been annihilated in the Mojave.

May not have had a strong enough local presence.

Like, they're the villains of more than one game and lose hard each time

They can't be flush with dudes and kit

[coarse grove]

Enclave is not present in the Mojave at all. Besides last time the were anywhere close, Navarro happened.

The Enclave wouldn't return to the Mojave unless they specifically sent agents to infiltrate or invade it - otherwise there's no reason for them to be in the Mojave.

[weary sorrel]

Besides, the Enclave could've lost Big MT's location after the Oil Rig or Raven Rock went boom.

[normal veldt]

I wonder why they never bothered, the Big MT's technology is on another level
They make the institute look like a high school science club

[coarse grove]

Because it's too risky.

Navarro almost wiped them off the map.

[normal veldt]

Risky?

[high sandal]

It could be risk, could be resources, could have flat out lost knowledge of its existence.

A big thing with fallout is scarcity. And it is a wasteland - even the big players can't do everything they want.

[weary sorrel]

Plus, OWB's ending slides says the Courier's keeping an eye on that place, and the Enclave's already gotten their face caved in twice now by people like them.

[coarse grove]

Do you know how badly the Enclave got battered at Navarro? If Eden wasn't Eden, the Enclace would be dead. Eden had to drag them out of NCR territory ALL the way to Raven Rock - and they ended up spending what. Almost 40 or 50 years living in a bunker licking their wounds? Because Autumn wasn't even born yet, by the time they got to Raven Rock, and it was Autumn's dad who lead them to Navarro with Eden's information.

[normal veldt]

I meant why didn't they bother before fo2? Big MT was mostly undisturbed by outsiders after the bombs dropped

[coarse grove]

The same could be asked about the BoS, Or NCR, none of the factions really touched Big MT. It's probably because of the risk factor. Plus the information really only supported the fact that any and if outsiders did interact, they got lobotomized. Elijah was the exception to the rule because while he was riddled with madness - he was smart enough. And he didn't exactly go in their and dominate it. He battled his way to survive throughout same was the Courier, Ulysses, and Christine did.

[scenic wolf]

Maybe the lack of energy weapons in the show is a sign of dwindling micro fusion cells