EPISODE 2

[red sonnet]

... the BoS was formed from the remnants of the US military, its also been 200+ years.

The BoS has always acted differently depending on who was the chapter leader, there being a sexist chapter makes sense, we also have a religious one

[ebon furnace]

Maxson would’ve personally executed the 2 knights who shot up a perfectly normal car

[red sonnet]

it does - the tech seemingly comes from the vegas area, him being a veteran that was caught by house/vault-tec and experimented upon makes sense.

[quiet prairie]

Idk I guess culture changes but it just seemed to come from nowhere

[empty matrix]

I think it makes sense for certain chapters to be shaped by the environments they inhabit, it's obvious they don't give a shit about what the codex says so that's not exactly nailing them down culturally, the misogynist guy is from the Grand Canyon, which is in Arizona, which is hardline Legion territory

[quiet prairie]

But to be fair we saw nothing of their upbringing

[red sonnet]

because its a new chapter, supposedly.

i dont mind it, it adds angles to the other BoS chapters and establishes them as assholes, lmao

[cold jetty]

The misogynistic guy is from Coronado. In California

[empty matrix]

Ohhhhh my bad

[ebon furnace]

I wonder what the chances are they were expelled from lost hills

[quiet prairie]

Probably low, they would of been excommunicated and treated as outcast

But it’s possible

[empty matrix]

I dunno, Lost Hills has a history of psuedo-exiling certain people, that's how the second Appalachian Brotherhood came about

They sent Rahmani on an "expedition"

[ebon furnace]

No it’s more so that rahmani seceded from lost hills. Ur think Lyons

[austere tendon]

yeah tht is possible

[empty matrix]

Rahmani did secede from Lost Hills when she got to Appalachia, but the reason she was there to begin with is because she was disagreeing with the WC Elders from the beginning

[cold jetty]

She chose to go on that expedition. However the west coast elders did send Elijah to the Mojave to get rid of his influence

[ebon furnace]

No? They were there to find out what happened to the Appalachian BOS chapter. She did have disagreements but it was a legitimate expedition

[quiet prairie]

Yeah the only time they sent someone to get him to screw off was Elijah

Lyons became more sentimental on his way to dc

[hallow sparrow]

so gooood

[ebon furnace]

indeed

[empty matrix]

Ah you're right, it's been a bit since I've read the broadcasts

[ebon furnace]

I am so jealous of the people who got the first 3 episodes

Ep2 is such a cliffhanger

[hallow sparrow]

Paladin Harkness, would this be a homage from Fallout 3's Harkness?

[cold jetty]

The western chapters we’ve seen in the show probably always existed. We know from FO3, FNV, and FO76 the brotherhood had other chapters and bunkers in the west

[empty matrix]

I wouldn't think so

[lime spoke]

Oh shit...

[hallow sparrow]

so basically an entirely new character?

[empty crane]

since when has the grand canyon chapter existed?

[empty matrix]

I think Episode 3's gonna be the one we see Cooper in Anchorage in

[ebon furnace]

I think it’s a mix, some chapters (probably like the Coronado one) were always there, and some chapters (like the Yosemite) were probably tribes who decided to follow the codex

[pastel hatch]

Imagine he's a synth.

[empty matrix]

Today

[hallow sparrow]

man oh man, I love frying them Synths but lore behind them is crazy good

[empty crane]

brotherhood saved joshua graham

[cold jetty]

Today. But new Vegas does have Caesar comment about captured scribes he found out east

[lofty needle]

this

[empty crane]

they have a fucking prydwynn in the grand canyon lmao

[empty matrix]

There's room for one I suppose

[hallow sparrow]

I just love how the show gives the karma factor from FNV, like when Dane walks out after the Maximus fight, and Paladin Harkness gave him a nod 💯

[ebon furnace]

I feel like the Grand Canyon tribe was a former legion tribes who decided follow the BoS after Caesars death

[quiet prairie]

We need a mod showing us these other chapters

[ebon furnace]

Would rather have a proper canon CL expansion for fnv before we enter Arizona proper

[empty crane]

I think the grand canyon chapter might have been created at the start of the ncr brotherhood war

[empty crane]

seems like legion is still doing well so idk about that

[lofty needle]

i dont think were gonna get any mention regarding the midwest bos in the tv show now but i do hold hopes we see more of them one day in the distant future

[ebon furnace]

Legion is likely fractured

[empty crane]

also is maxson dead

[ebon furnace]

Some parts are working fine, other parts aren’t. Grand Canyon was probably hit hard by the legion collapse and thus turned to the BoS for stability and power, in return they follow the codex

[quiet prairie]

I don’t think so

[ebon furnace]

Likely not

[pastel hatch]

So jsyk, and I made this mistake too, but when Quintus said 'Coronado', that's not a misspelling of Colorado. It's an actual city in California. It makes way more sense considering there's a military presence there in that city.

[hallow sparrow]

maybe old id say

[empty matrix]

We don't know, but there is a very scary "Commonwealth" chapter so I can only imagine he's still kicking around

[quiet prairie]

The way the bos is represented in the show makes me worried for how they will be represented in the next fallout game

[lofty needle]

na he'll only be about 35 rn

[tawdry horizon]

I love that he's playing a character

[cold jetty]

It will be fine

[hallow sparrow]

how old was he in 4?

[empty crane]

no t51 or even t45 on any BoS soldiers is so lame

[tawdry horizon]

Id argue it lets him disassociate between Coop and The Ghoul

[lofty needle]

only 20

[hallow sparrow]

waiting for a t51 tbh

[tawdry horizon]

He's literally playing a spaghetti western villain

[ebon furnace]

Last thing quintus hears: “democracy is non-negotiable”

[empty crane]

BoS war but literally all the chapters are wearing t60 😭

[quiet prairie]

I mean we’ll see what they do with them but there’s no way of knowing till fallout 5 releases when we’re all 70

[cold jetty]

It is but they’re not creating all of those suits unfortunately

[empty matrix]

T-51 is a very pretty armour

[lofty needle]

theyve created a t45 one for the cooper flashback so now we just gotta hold out for t51b coming up somewhere else

[quiet prairie]

It’d be so weird if the west has t-60 and the east t-51

[hallow sparrow]

i hope some of em find it in the wasteland, thats pretty sick

[empty crane]

east coast glow up

[lofty needle]

if anything it would be the other way around for continuity

[quiet prairie]

Only explanation

East were tired of looking like bums so they traded

[empty crane]

BoS won so hard in 4 their ending is almost definitely canon

[lofty needle]

now the midwest bos PA tho >>

[quiet prairie]

I would hate to be a institute or railroad fan

[empty crane]

they killed nick

[quiet prairie]

And Danse

[empty matrix]

I know they probably won't but I don't think it's unlikely that they give Nate/Nora some kind of presence in the show

[quiet prairie]

Probably just a reference

[empty matrix]

I'd reckon so yeah

Maxson goes to the WC to deal with the civil war, while the "Sentinel" stays behind to command the Commonwealth

[quiet prairie]

Exactly and it’s led to interpretation if that sentinel is Nate or not

So minutemen fans have at least a slimmer of hope unlike the railroad and institute

[lofty needle]

i agree with what someone else said earlier i dont think the commonwealth (other than the paladin) will be in season 2

it seems the civil war we see in trailer was between the chapters in ep 2

[quiet prairie]

Yeah

Probably over the cold fusion

[empty crane]

nothing is happening with the enclave still

[next mulch]

I am very worried for Lucy

[quiet prairie]

I count 4 from the meeting unless the commonwealth magically smites them

[quiet prairie]

Plot armor will save her

[next mulch]

Also wtf is going with the Brotherhood chapters

And the Legion

I have so many questions

And I must scream

[quiet prairie]

They’re on their period

And all pissy with each other

[empty crane]

roger maxson would despise every chapter in the meeting

[next mulch]

The way I gasped when that Legion slave spoke Latin. I didn’t realize she was a slave at first

[empty crane]

interesting how the legion soldiers have tribal paint?

[quiet prairie]

For real it’s kinda sad to see their fate

[lofty needle]

the ghoul letting lucy follow her knowing full well she'll be led to the legion is crazy levels of trolling

[empty matrix]

He didn't really let her, he couldn't do anything to stop her

[next mulch]

Fr

[ebon furnace]

lmaoooo

[empty crane]

mabye they've kind of reverted

[ebon furnace]

so true like he knew "dont trust anyone wearing rags"

[quiet prairie]

Tbh I don’t think war paint is to out of character

[next mulch]

It might be like the BoS chapters - the Legion ended up fracturing into different factions

[empty crane]

caeser burnt all tribal paint to erase any cultural identity among his troops

idk if that specific paint is a roman thing though

[quiet prairie]

Might be

[raw flare]

mhm, tbf he even despises elements of the commonwealth

[lofty needle]

i imagine caesar dying would make them revert back to their old ways a little kind of like when rome fell

the first shot we get of legion all up that hill is so awesome btw

[quiet prairie]

Assuming he did, he definitely could of but we don’t know till we see

[empty matrix]

We're getting more pre-war stuff next week which I'm looking forward to

[lofty needle]

true i imagine he did tho given we know the legion has two new leaders

[quiet prairie]

This could very well be him

Also we saw what looked like Lanius not saying it is though

[lofty needle]

im pretty sure thats one of the brothers no

[empty crane]

short lanius

[quiet prairie]

Wait brothers did I miss a lore drop

Someone fill me in what brothers

[lofty needle]

|| someone else knows this far better than i do but apparently the legion is divided into two sides that are led by two different brothers and culkin is one of the brothers ||

there was a load of evidence for it that a bunch of people in the ep1 chat got from leaks and stuff

[quiet prairie]

Oh and I get the reference

The two brothers who founded Rome

romulus and remus

[lofty needle]

magnnus always coming in with the craziest lore reveals lol

[quiet prairie]

Fr

[empty matrix]

Oh that's kinda fun

Very Late Roman Empire

[empty crane]

wait I just realized cooper says to the girl "aren't you a little far west"

so legion still has control of arizona

[cold jetty]

Episode 3. Bos vs victor I think

[empty crane]

lmao running away from a securitron in power armor

t60 is such a fraudulent suit

[latent cave]

Guys on twitter complaining about the bomb in shady sands not being different that the bomb that's used on the games like the one Liberty prime carries. They are nitpicking everything to complain

[lofty needle]

interesting this is purely speculative but im pretty sure when the ghoul encounters victor its in camp golf's resort after walking through the ncr settlement there

[empty matrix]

I'm still not sure how I feel about Mr House presumably being involved in the destruction of the NCR, with the mind control chip and all

[empty crane]

no way it's house

if it is he is actually braindead

[latent cave]

He ain't that good of a guy. But it wasn't him ig

[lofty needle]

i think its just that he developed the mind control stuff then simply sold it or gave it to vault tec, not that he had anything to do with what they did with it after

[latent cave]

That's another thing ppl were complaining on twitter. Saying that this device is lore breaking

[empty matrix]

Yeahhhh I reckon it's probably leaning that way, but Hank is implied to be some kind of House double-agent? I think?

[cold jetty]

Definitely camp golf

[lofty needle]

yee the bos scene tho im unsure cause the walls look like some kind of bunker?

[empty crane]

it looks like the board says ncr

[lofty needle]

wait maybe its hoover dam??

[empty matrix]

I don't know how it could be really, it's not like mind control is a new thing for Fallout

[empty crane]

the device isn't lore breaking but it still annoys me how house was out on the streets testing it himself

[latent cave]

A guy was saying that it wouldn't make sense that house would have it and not use to control Vegas. Like they legit are skipping over the fact that it doesn't work even in the current day of the lore

[lofty needle]

yeah tbf house didnt really need the mind control device for his plans in nv, we see that its not even a finished technology so it prob wouldnt have helped him much

[tame current]

I'm thinking this
Hank used House's mind control chips without him knowing for the bombing of Shady
Once House finds out it is wraps for him
Or maybe wraps for House if Hank somehow had the backing of the Enclave of smth

[lofty needle]

i think him testing it out himself was okay but how needlessly sadistic he came across was a bit out of character imo

[empty crane]

PLEASE mr house kill hank

[empty matrix]

He was up to a lot of weird stuff before the bombs, he was scanning the brains of his "girls" himself

[empty crane]

he's supposed to be a recluse atp though

[tame current]

I wouldn't say sadistic
More like surgical

[empty crane]

he doesn't even attend meetings in person

[lofty needle]

true i think this can be explained away with him using a body double tho, like he is recluse in the sense that those people in the bar dont even know what the real house looks like anymore

[latent cave]

I think we all idealized House too much. He was indeed an asshole

[empty matrix]

Yeah ^

To both of those

[lofty needle]

na but the whole "you should punch me" line is a bit weird imo

[latent cave]

Let the man have his desires lmao

[tame current]

Ok fair
Maybe a weird failed speech thing lol

[lofty needle]

lmao this

i wonder if season 3 will still be in vegas or not

[empty matrix]

There's more pre-war stuff next week, maybe we'll get some more context

[covert galleon]

I mean, he is kind of responsible for it by starting the whole goofy pretend to be medieval nights thing instead of just well anything besides pretending your Caesar, I guess

[empty matrix]

Maybe they'll tread new ground

[tawdry horizon]

How dare they ruin my House, my favourite ethical billionaire who did nothing wrong ever

[covert galleon]

My only complaint is that it’s not so much ethical or anything like that house just actually was able to deliberate on the crazy shit he promises and actually can build the tech. I think it makes it interesting. He’s more Howard Hughes than anything even remotely close to saying an Elon Musk or insert some other Dingus.

[empty matrix]

He is absolutely a Musk

[tawdry horizon]

Billionaires are good actually isn't a good story, I don't mind that he's done crazy shit

[empty matrix]

Actually no, I won't lock in to any one billionaire stereotype

[covert galleon]

He was created before musk really rose to any prominence and he’s also far too intelligent to be musk

[tawdry horizon]

Like the most lore we get on him is from himself, inherently an unreliable narrator

Let's not get political, but Musk wishes he was anything close to House

[covert galleon]

It’s not that he’s good. It’s that he’s more interesting because when he promises something, he probably can actually deliver on it which is definitely different than say Sam Altman.

[empty matrix]

Peter Thiel might be a good comparison?

[covert galleon]

It’s what makes siding with house actually logical as an option.

[empty matrix]

He was nuts when NV was out and he's nuts now

[drowsy garden]

Fuck hank for real

[covert galleon]

Peter would be not uploading women’s brains lol

[covert galleon]

Now keep in mind there’s that period where people actually seem to like him. I’m not saying he was actually a good person then or anything. I just don’t think at any point he can be compared to house in terms of success.

[tawdry horizon]

He did experiment on a rich sob

So he's not all bad

[empty matrix]

It's not like House did that for humanity's benefit

[drowsy garden]

One good thing doesn't make you not bad though

[empty matrix]

He did that for his robo-dong's benefit

[covert galleon]

No, that’s more of a joke with Peter Thiel and the blood bag stuff

[empty matrix]

He's definitely a mix of all the billionaires

[tawdry horizon]

House is basically Singapore

Or he would turn Vegas into Singapore

[empty matrix]

Plus this is show House, which does have the Musk context

[tawdry horizon]

House has a better dress sense

[empty matrix]

This is true

[lost marten]

I loved the brotherhood soldiers goofing off this episode although they don’t feel as serious as they once did it’s still great

[empty matrix]

The Commonwealth probably took the cream of the crop and left the rest of them with the morons

[pulsar hinge]

Makes them look human, and not like a religious nut job faction

[lost marten]

Truetrue

[tawdry horizon]

I never played 1 or 2 but were the brotherhood particularly religious in those games?

Or is Quintus' chapter specifically different

[pulsar hinge]

Remember it's not unheard of them to goof off. In fallout 4 there was a competition to see who could jump off the prydwin in power armor

[empty matrix]

I dunno really, I wouldn't say they're religious in this way

But they are medieval

In 1 anyways

[tawdry horizon]

I never remember seeing clerics outside of the TV show

[lost marten]

Is it a hot take to say I fuckin hate the ferals in the show

[pulsar hinge]

The Mojave faction and Max's faction seem to be the most religious though

[lost marten]

They don’t look feral

[tawdry horizon]

I don't mind it, just wondering if we've seen characters like that

[tawdry horizon]

I like them

[empty matrix]

I imagine it's difficult to do the withered look the game ferals have without CG

[pulsar hinge]

The ferals looking like non ferals lends evidence to the ghoul's saying most humans can't tell the difference

[lost marten]

They look different to s1 in s1 they looked more feral

[pulsar hinge]

We don't know how long they have been feral for either

[sacred shuttle]

mer Christmas everybody

[silver river]

It’s Christmas Eve over here I’m heading over to my uncles house

I got him into fallout

[lost marten]

It looks like a while since they are still in the older worker uniform

[silver river]

And I got my parents into it my mom is asking to watch ep 2 w me

[tawdry horizon]

Do it

I wish I could go back and watch TV like I used to with my dad

[silver river]

I will tmw

[tawdry horizon]

Found memories of Star Trek and SG1

[empty matrix]

I got my boyfriend into Fallout with the show

[silver river]

I watch star wars with my dad

So I got ALOT of my family into fallout

I’m obsessed with it and it’s never ending it’s pretty bad

[timber tiger]

I am ever so slightly concerned by the portrayal of the Brotherhood

It’s getting a bit comical

[silver river]

Everyone is

[tame current]

He will get payback one way or another don't worry
Hey btw some days ago my ig just kinda recommended to me your ig

[tame current]

I for one vibe with the medieval vibe they are going for
It was kinda lost after FO1 so it is good to see it again

[drowsy garden]

[tame current]

Hoh boy that pepe has seen better days

Honestly for real though I just thought you were Mrs. Fallout under another nickname or smth

[drowsy garden]

that's funny

[empty matrix]

I wish 76 leaned into a bit more given it's our earliest Brotherhood rendition yet

But alas

[silver river]

I hope Helios one plays in the show at one point

[golden kraken]

I doubt

Maybe tho

The Grand Canyon chapter might have taken jt

[cold jetty]

@coarse grove First look at Caesar

[golden kraken]

Whered you get that?

[silver river]

Is that the caeser we know? Or another one

It’s entirely possible he survived

House ordered us not to kill him so it makes sense

But he kinda looks like a chud ngl looks nothing like him lmao

[golden kraken]

So that removes multiple possible endings

What if the legion won?

Shit would be peak

[tame current]

||HE'S ALIVE????||

[silver river]

They couldn’t have every single faction orders houses death and you are unable to advance in the story without it

[golden kraken]

Culkins Lanius then?

Culkin is legate lanius? Or someone dawning the armor?

[golden kraken]

Dang

So Its a house ending

[silver river]

It could be the legate but I doubt it considering house explicitly says we shouldn’t kill him but then again he had a tumor so he could be dead by now

[silver river]

Yes

I would like it to be legate lanius

[golden kraken]

Damn, I woul
d love a legion ending

[viscid fossil]

Plot armor won't be what saves her. Plot armor is what happens when a character survives seemingly impossible danger due to the writer's need for them to live to advance the plot, rather than through believable skill or luck, often breaking audience suspension of disbelief. I don't think that's the case here.

[tame current]

||How tf is Caesar alive????
What happened to the tumor thing?????
Is it actually Caesar as we know him or a new Caesar?????||

[viscid fossil]

Different person.

[golden kraken]

Caesar survives if you use the autodoc? No?

[silver river]

Doesn’t look like caeser so I’m guessing not

He looks stronger and more well kept then caeser I’m assuming it’s the legate

[golden kraken]

What if thats lanius and he passed the torch to culkin?

[hallow sparrow]

oh i know, just saying like a easter egg maybe

[silver river]

I think it’s lanius

[golden kraken]

Yeah I would think because there's someone wearing lanius armor

No its culkin

[tame current]

So are we saying Lanius in-game is now that Caesar and Culkin is now the new Lanius?

[golden kraken]

Culkins wearing the armor

[tame current]

I'm confused

[silver river]

Yes exactly

[golden kraken]

Yes

[cold jetty]

@tame current it’s one of the brothers I believe

Played by Kaleti Williams

[golden kraken]

Vulpes incultas alive too?

[tame current]

So it is a Caesar, not the Caesar?

[golden kraken]

Yea

[silver river]

So I’m assuming it goes like this caeser died of a tumor legate takes over and Mae’s another person the new legate

[golden kraken]

I would say so

[tame current]

Brother now I need Episode 3 I am confused

I need answers

[cold jetty]

Yes

[silver river]

I think that’s him in the back it’s entirely possible and more probable

[golden kraken]

In a week

[silver river]

Ave true to caeser

[empty matrix]

That Caesar is holding an Assault Rifle

[golden kraken]

I think those are the highest ranks in the legion

Including lucios

Lucius

Ave true to caesar

[silver river]

I remember how hyped I was after seeing gladiator 2 I literally did a caesers legion run lmao

[silver river]

Yes

[tawdry horizon]

It's so weird how Eddy read a text on Rome and somehow made the Vandals

Didn't even attempt any sort of nation building

[tawdry horizon]

NGL when I saw this I thought it was John Cena

[lofty needle]

yk i thought theyd dial back on the violence for the legion cause its a tv show but guess theyre doubling down lmao

[distant delta]

I feel Lucy may have messed up her friendship with the Ghoul

[tawdry horizon]

Nah Ghoul is the Classic Heel-Face Turn

He's lost everything, and has taken on this western bandito antagonist form, but underneath he's still Coop

I bet he'll rescue Lucy from the Legion, if he truly was bad he'd just leave her

[lofty needle]

i do think its kinda funny lucy leaves him like that and then when they eventually reunite shell still hit him with a power fist out a window lol

[lofty needle]

are you getting these from those behind the scenes videos theyre posting on yt?

[cold jetty]

https://youtu.be/tf1SqjoxZXI?si=PCxAuIk1VgXR-Y17

[lofty needle]

first time weve seen the kings building i think dam

[cold jetty]

@coarse grove Yep.

[lofty needle]

were acc getting the legion conflicts this season?

thats sick

[torpid cargo]

Legionnaires look really good.

I wonder if the prop department actually used off the shelf sports equipment for them,

[leaden mist]

Anyone else confused about the direction of where it’s going with this head blowing up device

[small tundra]

New Lore brands

[leaden mist]

I would’ve assumed mind control judging on how it was used with the caravan and the guy at the start of ep 1 with mr house and the vault dwellers all becoming communists although that was different form of mind control but right now all it seems to do is blow shit up

[small tundra]

Wow what an episode

I have a pic of the bts shot of the underground hospital garage

Its cool to see it now in the show

[leaden mist]

Excactly me too

[cobalt pine]

What was maxon and cos stance on gen 1 synths would they destroy them or treat them like robots, gen 3 i understand cross the line

[late wedge]

Would love to see it!
Also, do you know where the Shady Sands scene was filmed? I presume one of the backlot streets, but I’m not familiar enough to tell from what we see

[small tundra]

I have no clue where they filmed that. I did recognize some area kind of when the guy with the bomb was walking in as near the placerita canyon area.

The camera was filming from the other side

In the episode

[ember meadow]

Anyone else feel like Area 51 was under utilized?

[normal veldt]

Woah, Eddie is still alive? Faex!

Rip tumour

[normal veldt]

Damn, guess the canon courier 6 was a real piece of faex bootlicker

[tame current]

Let's not assume anything until the contrary is confirmed
Same with Culkin's character

[normal veldt]

Oh well, Imma just assume this "new Caesar" shaved his head or something to emulate the OG

[small tundra]

we will see more

[silver river]

I think this is the legate

[normal veldt]

||you mean Lanius shaved this head and has a lil bro (Macaulay Culkin) or?||

[silver river]

Yea I think the legate was always bald or shaved his head and then anointed a new legate because lanius became caeser

[normal veldt]

That's one logical explanation
He looks nothing like the dude we unmasked in the game tho
Also they never explained why he got no scars on his face

[silver river]

Well I’m sure the creators of NV didn’t intend for him to be unmasked

ALSo maybe he went bald to honor caeser

Take in his look

[normal veldt]

Also it looks like they decapitated the slave girl that Lucy saved and placed her head on a spike?

[silver river]

Don’t think that’s her tho

I like how less desperate the slave becomes as she realizes she will live

I didn’t even realize it was a slave until the backpack

[normal veldt]

That's weird, I mean you can literally provoke Lanius by suggesting that you'll take his mask as a trophy
Maybe his backstory was just made up

[normal veldt]

The X on their tunics were pretty obvious IMO

[silver river]

No I don’t think so but just because we ca provoke him doesn’t mean we will take his mask

[cobalt pine]

Had this discussion earlier its likely lanius is not one person but a role in the legion

[silver river]

They also changed the position of dinky so it doesn’t matter anymore

[silver river]

Lmao I only noticed when she put the back pack on

[cobalt pine]

Given the lack of consistency between the lanius descriptions its likely there has been more than one

[normal veldt]

You literally can loot his mask and blade from the battle of hoover dam (not the armour tho)
So the devs made sure you could unmask Lanius before the game is over, it's intentional

[pulsar hinge]

Anyone got a good photo of the legionnaires and their weapons?

[silver river]

Yea well maybe he shaved

[normal veldt]

Makes it easier for a "new Lanius" to become the "new Caesar"

[shy dove]

Not sure if I can post this here but might as well

[coarse grove]

It's not Lanius, it's a new Legate.

[coarse grove]

Caesar is not alive, it's confirmed two new characters are Leading the Legion, two brothers specifically.

[normal veldt]

I've always wondered what's supposed to happen to Lanius if you let the Legate retreat from the dam? No way Eddie will just make him go unpunished

[shy dove]

Honestly I’m more hyped to see the commonwealth

If I don’t see a glimpse of Liberty Prime, then I might crash out

[coarse grove]

Nah, a new Legate is just that, a Legate. It looks like they made Caesar and Legate just titles/roles in the Legion.

[coarse grove]

Specifically note that it says TWO factions call the Caesar's Legion. Implying that the brothers each control a half of it.

[shy dove]

Who the hell is massacring the legion lmao

BOS?

[coarse grove]

Oooo, yeah this is gonna be interesting.

[shy dove]

NCR remnants?

[coarse grove]

NCR remnants.

[shy dove]

Truly based

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[lofty needle]

wait am i being dumb i thought this shot was showing the conflcit within the legion

[shy dove]

Yeah I think they’re having a duel lol

Oops wrong reply

But yeah

[normal veldt]

I wonder if they're still gonna stick with their "Fog of War" approach

[normal veldt]

Where's this from?

[coarse grove]

And interview that Magnus posted. A lot of outlets and interviewers got to see episodes 1-6.

[cold jetty]

Awardswatch season 2 review

[coarse grove]

^

[normal veldt]

Gonna go check on that

[coarse grove]

So it's confirmed that the legion is about to have it's own civil war, with two new leaders. New Legate, and new Caesar.

[normal veldt]

So Legion's already emulating Rome's East-West schism?

[coarse grove]

Not really, it's more of a Romulus & Remus type of conflict, it looks like.

[normal veldt]

Well, Eddie would be proud

So Vulpes and all the other notable Legion members are most likely gone at this point then?

[lofty needle]

any insight into present day NCR being in season 2 from this?

[coarse grove]

Given the two leaders are brothers, it's probably going to be an internal personal conflict - and their views of which type of leadership style is better. It also seems to imply that Caesar's legion initially shattered, and then reuninited under the Brothers? So then it's why they're specifying - Two Legion factions active. instead of one.

[coarse grove]

We will see NCR and Legion in both the next two episodes.

The episode names.

[lofty needle]

i know the NCR are featuring at camp golf but will there be a larger NCR presence later on in the season?

[coarse grove]

No clue.

But all the context clues, and evidence points to the NCR being a bit of withdrawn by the Mojave.

[lofty needle]

oh wow i really didnt expect the strip to be at the season's end

that might mean season 3 hangs around the mojave a little longer maybe?

[coarse grove]

So, Season 3 is confirmed to be the foundation and setup for Fallout 5, so maybe.

But with Shady sands being nuked, if you paid attention, the sign says the Shady Sands capital was the first - implying there was many.

or multiple.

[lofty needle]

yeah ive been hearing about this im geniunely curious how they will pull this off just based off timing like season3 starts filming summer 2026 so we can expect 2027 release roughly maybe a bit later but they still gotta release TES6 before Fallout 5

[normal veldt]

I'm still confused by Moldaver's story ngl

[lofty needle]

yeye i saw this

[normal veldt]

Let's assume NCR is still around

[shy dove]

I see if S2 features the strip in only one episode

[normal veldt]

Why'd they let the most incompetent BoS we've ever seen take over the Republic's most important technology

[coarse grove]

Filming starts before summer 2026 before, especially since it's greenlit - im sure pre-production is already getting underway.

[coarse grove]

Probably the last two episodes deal with the strip.

[lofty needle]

even still starfield released in 2023 TES6 if youre being really optimistic comes out with 3-4 years in production and only after it has finished do they start working on fallout 5 - i dont see it coming out until ages after season 3 will release

i mean i wont complain if they do pull it off lol

[coarse grove]

I would argue that the show's success has made Bethesda to shift their focus on a lot of things, so we could probably see things a little bit earlier than expected.

[lofty needle]

hope so

[normal veldt]

Does that mean Season 3 will be the final season of the show?

[coarse grove]

we don't know, probably not? Who knows.

[lofty needle]

na probably not theyll prob milk it as long as they can

and i think theres a lot of stories they can tell within the tv show format

[normal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/westworld-gif-6124094

Well, the show is made by Nolan...
Rip Westworld

[cold jetty]

The show has plans for 5 or 6 seasons according to Aaron moten but things could change

[lofty needle]

holy

[normal veldt]

Assuming Nolan will actually finish what he started this time

I guess the story might take place on the East Coast eventually

[coarse grove]

idk if Bethesda would let him abandon it. lol

I imagine there's some sort of contractual obligation.

[vapid garnet]

what did you guys think of the rad scorpions in last episode

[coarse grove]

On the smaller scale, but still nice to see!

[vapid garnet]

were they in the trailer or was it just a complete surprise?

[coarse grove]

They were in the trailer.

[lofty needle]

speaking of the trailer im trying figure out when in the series of events we know are gonna occur in s2 that supposed super mutant turns up

[shy dove]

Terrifying lmao

Now I can’t wait to see the death claws

[vapid garnet]

Someone told me kevin from home alone was gonna be in season 2. is this true?

[normal veldt]

Demon in the snow?

[lofty needle]

ye

[normal veldt]

Marcus!!

[lofty needle]

perhaps, my first thought is that title refers to coops wartime flashback in alaska

[shy dove]

You tell me

[late wedge]

I think Demon in the Snow is likely the Anchorage flashback

[shy dove]

The other player?

[lofty needle]

also if they arrive in freeside in ep 5 how they taking 3 episodes to get onto the strip lol

[late wedge]

Which would also align with next episode having more pre-war flashbacks with Coop and maybe house, and then maybe Anchorage too….I could see those all aligning to be his main narrative in that ep. But we’ll see

[shy dove]

No money to enter the strip…

[lofty needle]

lmao

[shy dove]

They have to do the kings side quest

[normal veldt]

Like the Chinese "ghost" soldiers?

[shy dove]

Or use the monorail

[lofty needle]

perhaps

[torn moth]

I wonder if we get to see the sole survivor if we see the commonwealth

would be cool but idk

[normal veldt]

Since they're restoring cut content (vault 24)

imagine Nate/Nora as the new elder of the East Coast BoS

[torn moth]

That would be cool

[cold jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220185229302693958/1450946109135523910/2E892223-4565-469C-98C0-13804501C63E.jpg?ex=6948ff9d&is=6947ae1d&hm=30be64ab0e7ecdc4f6604ae00f28e08a500b1f1e3bbb6866289e4d6b9f99b4b6&

Thankfully I think our guy Arthur is still in charge

[lofty needle]

lmao

[normal veldt]

Racist?

[late wedge]

Not that review again 😂 I hated that guys review. Bad reviewer, and also made a number of mistakes in it. I don’t trust it tbh

[pulsar hinge]

Probably hates ghouls and mutants

[late wedge]

(If that reviewer is somehow present, sorry)

[normal veldt]

Also I suspect Dane is an East Coast spy

[normal veldt]

And he has a synth sounding name, is he gonna be another Paladin default Danse? /jk

[normal veldt]

Who?

[coarse grove]

Reviewer had poor and inaccurate word taste. Lol

[late wedge]

Idk, some guy. I had just looked up the review previously and determined I don’t trust his opinion or quality of writing at all

[cold jetty]

Doubt it

[late wedge]

He also called Walton Goggins “Walter” sooooooo can’t be a very good editor, either lol

[normal veldt]

Should've added /jk
What're your thoughts on Dane? Seems pretty SUS imo

[coarse grove]

The correct term would be xenophobic

[normal veldt]

Who again?

[coarse grove]

Arthur would only be 29, so I imagine so.

[coarse grove]

The reviewer & editor @late wedge is talking about.

[late wedge]

Literally some random reviewer on his like, person review blog. I found it before by just searching the exact words in what people had shared here because I’m petty like that

[normal veldt]

There are so many reviews/interviews

I can barely keep track

[normal veldt]

Also I can't believe that I'll be rooting for Arthur's BoS
The West (BoS) has fallen, hundreds must die

[cold jetty]

I trust Dane

I don’t think they’re bad

[lofty needle]

i think dane is one of the few that are true to the actual bos tenants

[normal veldt]

So who told the Commonwealth about Quintus?

[late wedge]

I do think Dane will end up being one of the few people making essentially actually good/honorable choices and trying to do the right thing in the face of most other people involved making bad choices

[cold jetty]

Oh I thought you were asking something else. Yeah probably Dane

[austere tendon]

no.. that post wasn't complaining

[wary abyss]

PATROLLING THE MOJAVE ALMOST MAKES YOU WISH FOR A NUCLEAR WINTER

i like this episode so far

[shy dove]

As much as I would love to see him, I highly doubt it. Hes most likely moved on after the events of FL4

[wary abyss]

oh

what the f-

EHAT THE FUCK

[shy dove]

Maybe he’s chilling with the minute men

[wary abyss]

OH FUCK

[shy dove]

Personally I think the minutemen have been absorbed by the BOS

[wary abyss]

THERE'S A BOMB IN THIS ... truck?

[shy dove]

You don’t have to comment on every detail you see

It’s gonna be a long hour

[wary abyss]

this is the worst day of my week ok

please

i ditched my car a few days ago yet today was still worse

fking customer service

what's the range of those pipboys because that's impressive

[cold jetty]

I’m Curious as to what will happen to Dane, Maximus squire, and this aspirant. Area 51 will be a deadly place once the fighting starts

[shy dove]

Killed hopefully

[coarse grove]

The Western BoS is so devolved, I can only hope they get wiped out so they can reset.

[teal thicket]

why?

[shy dove]

No reason

[teal thicket]

[wary abyss]

that's the prydwen, i think

[late wedge]

Sadly I do think feel that Dane & the kid might die

[wary abyss]

why?

[teal thicket]

Kinda sus that you are saying you hope the trans character dies

[wary abyss]

is he canonically trans or is it just the actor?

cuz idunno, you tell me the dude is a man, why would i wonder what they once were

[shy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[wary abyss]

also gender is just a scam anyways

[shy dove]

I don’t go by genders, I go by fallout factions

[wary abyss]

minutement for the comonwealth

[shy dove]

Execute this man

[teal thicket]

Xelia uses he/him and they/them pronouns and Dane just uses they/them (at least in the whole show they have only been addressed with they/them)

[wary abyss]

see, gender shenanigans

[shy dove]

Still worrying about pronouns 200+ years later

[wary abyss]

eh

[shy dove]

We got bigger problems 😭🙏

[wary abyss]

he/they FTW

[teal thicket]

It's almost like identity is a thing that will always exist as long as folks do

also according to Xelia, Dane is trans/non binary

anyways you're allowed to wish death on the BOS, fuck em lol

Just was sus the way it was led in was all

[wary abyss]

is that a vault 13 canteen 👀

lucy and the ghoul, amazing duo

[teal thicket]

honestly I'm most excited for Norm's stuff

[shy dove]

Only the west coast BOS

Commonwealth FTW🙏

[teal thicket]

Nah I don't like any of em except for the lyons chapter and even they have issues

[pulsar hinge]

West Coast BOS have no redeeming qualities

[wary abyss]

i got ADHD, i'm hyped for all of 'em

[pulsar hinge]

At least the east coast did something to improve the lives for most people

[shy dove]

Yeah

[wary abyss]

the minutemen tried lol

creepy lights, always a good sign

[teal thicket]

Now, in terms of finding the fiction interesting I LOVE the west coast, the same way one might love Joffrey or Ramsey Bolton from game of thrones

[shy dove]

Destroyed the Enclave, purified the water, destroyed the Institute

[errant plover]

"naaaah we aint no canonize any ending"
Also bethesta:
CANONIZE THE ZETANS

[shy dove]

Some of their ways may seem a bit extreme but it’s for the best

[teal thicket]

I love a good fun to hate faction

especially when they

oops enter too soon lol

[shy dove]

Also I’m pretty sure they cleansed the capital wasteland of super mutants

[teal thicket]

espeically when they arent just comically evil

like the Legion is just comically evil and not interesting to me, the weird technofacists are interesting

I want to know more about them so when they fall its more satisfying 😩

[errant plover]

I really thought maximus was just going to pickup the grenade on that BOS member

[wary abyss]

i really hope for no jumpscares

[normal veldt]

Elijah was right all along

Quintus is kinda behaving like a discount Elijah (less insane but probably not as smart)

[wary abyss]

oh fuck

imma have nightmares if i sleep tonight!

[pulsar hinge]

Give the east coast brotherhood the zetan mothership

Problem solved

[lofty needle]

this brings up a good point: lost hills sent elijah to the mojave cause he was a bit insane but clearly the rest of the western chapters have deteriorated now too so where is the lost hills chapter

[wary abyss]

i had no idea you could make a scorpion eat a grenade

[pulsar hinge]

I have an honest question, why are you narrating the episode lol

[errant plover]

I really thought they just going to reference with that and they Even dared to show a frozen zetan lmaaaao

[wary abyss]

where else would i do it?

[pulsar hinge]

Good point

[pulsar hinge]

"yeah some wastelander parked a mothership outside the citadel"

[wary abyss]

what were we doing for the first episode of season 2 when it dropped lol

everyone was doing it

NORM, MA BOY

[coarse grove]

Prydwen is not present.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, he definitely kind of is.

[wary abyss]

blimpy brotherhoodey thigny

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's a different airship, not the prydwen.

[wary abyss]

good to know

i love that lil cart

it's in their vault already, they really have to make sure you see it's vault tec

[normal veldt]

Didn't Quintus say there're dozens of chapters that are still active?
I think he only summoned Yosemite, Grand Canyon and Coronado cos he believes that these guys will be ez for him to control and will serve as useful canon fodders against the East

My guess is that there are other chapters in the West that are still loyal to Maxson's BoS

[errant plover]

I knew he was a more speech related build

[wary abyss]

i'm waiting to see where he's going w it, they cut to hank

[small tundra]

What video is this from

[wary abyss]

hank who seems to be exhibiting symptoms of stupidity

[cold jetty]

https://youtu.be/tf1SqjoxZXI?si=dKGSYxuKbN014ZPQ

[small tundra]

Thanks

[errant plover]

I just thought he was going to a water chip quest due one of the overseer speech during First chapter promotional

[wary abyss]

would make sense

[normal veldt]

Wait, is this video supposed to be private or is it just me?

[coarse grove]

Dozens, yeah it's safe to assume they didn't answer.

[wary abyss]

A HIGHWAYMAN i think

[cold jetty]

Works for me

[wary abyss]

HA

[small tundra]

wow

So cool to see the full strip set now

[normal veldt]

Betty's not gonna let him come back to Vault 33

[errant plover]

Exactly
Would. But he wont so.... Who would go on the water chip quest?

[wary abyss]

that bear who's just like so sweet

[small tundra]

you can see angelos sign shop.

[wary abyss]

bear and his friend

[errant plover]

1/3 fans: YEAAAAAAA-

[wary abyss]

or is she

betty has that elderly black lady strut, she's sweet
she's also one of bud's buds so maybe i'm off

[errant plover]

Maybe she just actually send him on quest
Due they won't couldnt fix the water chip lmao

No doubt on that

So she would rater side on norm to get them a water chip so anyone dont die
Norm doesnt give a sh*t to the vault
But idk he is just cold blooded to let everyone pass away like that

[normal veldt]

This could turn out to be some kinda West Coast BoS civil war (no way they'll send too many East Coast BoS ppl to California) so that they don't have to reveal too much about what happened to the Commonwealth after Fallout 4

[coarse grove]

Xander could quite literally unironically make the Western infight. So it would play out in a interesting way.

[errant plover]

I would have loved if they make a reference tu O.G BoS
Due the original faction started on Area 51 with the remnants of the USA Army

[cold jetty]

The chapters who came to meeting wasted rare resources to get there. So I can see other chapters not showing up for that reason alone

[wary abyss]

i think they would have the goal of surviving the people and all

[coarse grove]

Yeah, i agree with that. It would make sense.

[normal veldt]

She's literally involved in the bombing of Shady Sands

[wary abyss]

yeah

but vault is different

[errant plover]

Funny how Betty just use the pretext of norm on a leadership program... And he Will at the end lmao

[wary abyss]

hehe

comonwealth vs them others oh wow

don't they have optimus prime?

[errant plover]

Theory:
What if the Commonwealth represent is the paladin who saved maximus?
(Remember in the trailer he is sided with him on a vertibird trip)

[wary abyss]

hmm

OH THAT'S WHY

[errant plover]

You mean liberty prime..

[wary abyss]

that guy

i do wonder what's up w bud eventually

[frank helm]

just copy and pasting what i said "you guys ever get drunk but out nowhere your sober up on spot? that what happened when I episode 2 season 2"

[small tundra]

S2 Set photos in #1447295973129978058 if anyone is interested

[wary abyss]

VAULT TED BRANDED CHAMPAGN

[normal veldt]

Might be a good way to redeem BoS in the West since I'm not convinced that they're all incompetent barbarians

Say what you will about the Mojave chapter, at least they didn't behave like generic raiders

[wary abyss]

the vault 31 dudes are so gulible, wow

[ebon furnace]

Can someone please tell me what the music that was playing while paladin harkens arrived was? The reverb bos theme.

[late wedge]

It’s not on the score album

[normal veldt]

Think I've found the actor who plays the "new Caesar"
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2307223/

[late wedge]

The part with the processed bass / guitar version of the theme was cool as hell for when Harkness arrives. But I haven’t been able to find it on the score album, seems they didn’t include it. There’s a chance it gets added later like they did with the first season’s score, but that’s pretty abnormal that releases do that

[ebon furnace]

rip

thats probably the best BOS theme ive heard

[normal veldt]

They probably got the idea from The Passengers (movie)

[wary abyss]

the what

[normal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/jogging-exercise-chris-pratt-jennifer-lawrence-jim-preston-gif-14443301

[wary abyss]

"no armour, bareback"
pardon

i didn't know the brotherhood and the legion had smth in common

[late wedge]

I do like the idea that west coast brotherhood: normal theme, sounds more reverent or religious.
Same theme but for Harkness: epic, grungy guitar

[wary abyss]

do it

WOOH

that can't be safe to land a vertiberd inside

[normal veldt]

What kinda religion does BoS actually believe tho, some kinda Abrahamic cult that worships technology?

[deep wave]

That episode was peak

I have so many questions

[silver river]

They are technologists

[late wedge]

I’m by no means the faction-specific expert on those things, but certainly in the context of the show (and especially in season 1) the religiosity of the brotherhood is emphasized a lot, it’s almost more of a monastic order when it comes to the formal hierarchy

[deep wave]

Was not expecting a Zetan cameo

Pretty cool

[wary abyss]

amazing episode

[normal veldt]

Yeah but they also believe in God apparently, at least Danse does

[late wedge]

But my main point with that is that it was emphasised in the show and very much emphasised in the music. The brotherhood theme Ramin did is pretty directly tied to that idea, which was great. But it’s fun now seeing that theme develop a bit as we see more of the BOS

[ebon furnace]

i think the brotherhood doesnt really care what religion you follow so long as you follow the codex

[deep wave]

Do you think we’ll see Maxson this season ?

[wary abyss]

i did

[late wedge]

See? No. Hear? Maybe

[normal veldt]

That's supposed to be their new Bible/Commandments

[deep wave]

Plausible, I guarantee you he is still alive tho

[ebon furnace]

you're thinking adeptus mechanicus. the brotherhood are militarists

technological miilitarists

[late wedge]

Oh I don’t doubt that. There’s a million people who ought to be alive from games that we won’t be directly seeing in the shows though

[deep wave]

True

Seeing that legion camp inside the football stadium was so cool

Is this a known camp?

[pulsar hinge]

Funny how they haven't raided the costume store for their gear

[weary sorrel]

Fingers crossed they do the Legion justice.

[deep wave]

The armor is spot on

[pulsar hinge]

Plus the big dude himself is rocking an ak

[normal veldt]

Some of them do look like Space Marines, maybe I shouldn't have watched Operation Sunburst (fan movie but extremely good)

Maxson's bloodline is being treated like some kinda divine dynasty tho

[silver river]

I was joking unc

[ebon furnace]

even in operation sunburst the bos was more militarisitc than religous zealots, space marines would never use an AI to help them complete a mission even if it was in jeopardy, BOS paladins would

[silver river]

Watching sodaz’s rn

[normal veldt]

Justice, as in?

[silver river]

Well I’m rewatching it

I love how the NCR soldiers just run in like there lives are meaningless

I mean I would prolly feel that way too if I lived in a shitty wasteland

[ebon furnace]

they made desert ranger have a bit too much plot armor.

love everythign except the one scene where a bos soldier goes full stormtrooper on an ncr ranger distracted, out of cover, in the open.

and the other scene where an ncr ranger somehow tanks a 50 cal

[normal veldt]

Bruh, was that dead ahh necessary?

[silver river]

Yea meanwhile the power armor can’t even stand it lma

[weary sorrel]

Kudos to presumably Maximus’s pops for going in to defuse that nuke without a lick of hesitation.

[silver river]

I consider it canon I mean this is how we should interpret it

[ebon furnace]

when the literal best of the best pre war armor cant stand up to police riot armor smh

[silver river]

Lmao

I’m up to the part with the sentry bots

And did anyone see the storming new Vegas animation?

Man tha shit was awesome

I saw it at 50k views like an hour after it released

[ebon furnace]

if ur a bos fan, thats probably the best ur gonna get. it becomes a lot more ncr favored (naturally) and the plot armor scenes are a bit ridiculous. but BOS fans get one last vengeance scene at the end though

[silver river]

I like to think until further conformation that’s how it happened

[normal veldt]

No I don't mean they're the Space Marines of Fallout, probably just the aesthetics

I'm still pretty sure that some of them are religious but the game never explicitly said what kinda religion they actually follow

Maybe they're just cosplaying medieval Catholics cos they think it's cool or something

[silver river]

Yea it’s nice but I mean ig it makes sense since the NCR does win Helios one

[ebon furnace]

nah if someone is religious its not cuz of the brotherhood.

[ebon furnace]

bos doesnt give a crap about if ur christian or buddhist or jewish, so long as you follow that damn codex XD

[normal veldt]

Oh you haven't finished watching? Those were his parents, his dad was some kinda engineer

[silver river]

Lmao

[ebon furnace]

the purifier being the fallout 4 model is a nice touch

[silver river]

Man they present the rangers as fucking elite of elite

Crazy to think the rangers were there own faction

I love the scene with the ranger in the show I shit myself

[normal veldt]

Probably depends on the chapter, I forgot which one, was it the guy from Coronado who said that they don't allow women to sit at the table?

[proven sky]

i’ve got a small text dump about the opening sequence. didn’t mean for it to get this long lol. read at your own risk

[silver river]

It was the one that was made fun of because a scribe fucked a robot

[proven sky]

the nuke sequence at the start was really sloppy. like i recognize that they want to get to the main part of the story and don’t wanna devote 20 minutes to a full pre-nuke story piece, but why even go for it if you can’t make it work logically.

why did everyone in the crowd, including the multiple ncr soldiers, start taking order from just some random guy and let him start tinkering with a nuke instead of radioing it in to their superiors? organizing an evacuation? bringing in some real scientists and engineers? yeah finding an armed nuke is shocking but everyone just made too many rash decisions for it to come off as even remotely believable.

[ebon furnace]

yeah, every chapter has different customs and progressiveness, theyre only united through the codex

[weary sorrel]

I say presumably just to cover my bases.

[silver river]

Exactly like biggest faction of all of fallout and they can’t give it a proper ending but I did like the patrolling the Mojave part

[weary sorrel]

There was 3 minutes on the clock; ain’t no time for the NCR to get a Follower or OSI egghead in there to defuse the dang thing.

[proven sky]

that’s my main complaint with the show. there’s a lot of not thinking things through as to the full ramifications in universe

[ebon furnace]

1. the guy clearly was respected around the community and a well known mechanic.
2. there was no tme for an evacuation. the bomb was already armed and ticking.
3. wow turns out people who panic make mistakes, we arent robots

[proven sky]

3 minute timer was cause by the shoddy attempt at disarming

[ebon furnace]

it was already armed, it just sped up the arming via the failsafe

[silver river]

Just what I was thinking lmao

[ebon furnace]

if it wasnt gonna blow in 3 minutes, it was gonna blow in 10

[proven sky]

that’s my point though. the sequence ought to have been longer to show us that he isn’t just some rando. they didn’t fully commit and instead delivered a half assed sequence with these holes in it

[weary sorrel]

Would 10 be enough to even get someone qualified on location in time?

[turbid radish]

It was likely set up to be remotely detonated when Hank thought it was safe, fail safe set the timer

[proven sky]

there’s totally no reason to assume that. that’s an after the fact justification.

[turbid radish]

We have zero idea when it would blow

[late wedge]

Well they did show us that he wasn’t some rando by showing him managing to fix a water purifier and how big of a deal that was for them. They don’t need to make it longer and show it multiple times, they already did

[proven sky]

you find a bomb in your house and your ass is calling the bomb squad.

[silver river]

Def not I mean he did deactivate it idk if a real engineer like top line would’ve made it on time let alone detect a fail safe

[proven sky]

wasn’t that just him talking to his wife though

not any wider members of the community

[normal veldt]

So the Grand Canyon guy?

[weary sorrel]

Wonder if we’ll see how Lucy and Norm were kidnapped from Shady Sands in detail.

[silver river]

Yes I think

[ebon furnace]

via the scene, we can see:
a) he was well versed in engineering/mechanics, as he fixed the water purifier, which was a major accomplishment since we can infer that it was the first non irradiated water in shady sands
b) he was married to moldaver, who is extremely well respected
from a) and b), we can conclude that the dude was likely a good engineer and had good social standing

[late wedge]

I mean yeah, that’s just how storytelling works. Don’t have to show everything for it to be reasonably implied

[ember elk]

The nuke being sent to Shady Sands was meant to go off, regardless of the time.

[weary sorrel]

Wait, how was that woman Moldaver?

[silver river]

Yea it’s inevitable

[late wedge]

Yeah hold up….i don’t think that was moldaver lol

[ember elk]

Whoever sent the nuke would most likely know someone would try to disarm it, and that failure would result in it detonating faster.

[late wedge]

I don’t think Moldaver is Maximus’ mom, as wild as that would be lol

[proven sky]

yeah but him proving to his wife that he can repair something doesn’t prove that he’s not a rando. if anything, the way he was talking about how game changing the water purifier was gave me the impression that he was actually new to the ncr

[silver river]

I thought it was her too at first aswell don’t worry

[proven sky]

the ncr has had purified water for decades

a century even

[deep wave]

Do we think house had anything to do with the bomb being sent to shady sands ?

[proven sky]

god i hope not

[ember elk]

Doubt it.

[deep wave]

Wouldnt make much sense

Considering the NCR is his number one customer

[proven sky]

that would be antithetical to his character in NV

[scenic wolf]

Which bos chapter doesn't let women speak again

[silver river]

Def cause of the mind control thing

[silver river]

Grand Canyon

[ebon furnace]

did they? we know the mojave had purified water, we dont know the ncr had purified water

[late wedge]

Based on what’s in the episode, no, not at all. Nothing is shown to make that make sense.

[silver river]

What abt the mind control chip

[ember elk]

Someone else is in play that knew of the mindcontrol chips.

[weary sorrel]

100% nope; House needed the NCR around to facilitate the income he needed to get his plans off the ground. Why would he nuke Shady Sands and wreck the NCR, thus ruining his own plans?

[scenic wolf]

Isn't Grand canyon the cowboy like roughneck guy

[silver river]

Yea one other dude chances are they worked tg

[deep wave]

But it seems like Hank is working for house and he obviously greenlit the nuking

[weary sorrel]

House is many things, but he isn’t brain-dead stupid like 99% of Vault 33.

[late wedge]

In the scene he says “there’s even more clean water down there than we thought…no one will have to worry about rationing again, we can grow more crops, have another kid”. It’s implied that a lack of volume of stable clean water is an issue for their community, which is reasonable and a notable plot in like most fallout games lol

[cold jetty]

Coronado not grand canyon

[ember elk]

But not House directly.

And why would House want to nuke potential customers?

[silver river]

Which one made fun of them for fucking robots?

[cold jetty]

Coronado

[proven sky]

shady sands in fallout 2 literally looks like a well maintained city. they’ve got force fields and paved streets, farms and ranches, and a big ass power plant that was built from scratch. there’s definitely purified water.

[cold jetty]

Grand Canyon fucked the robot

[ebon furnace]

grand canyon is the one who fucked robots, you can remember cuz their elder has a giant ass grand canyon road sign for part of a skull

[covert galleon]

Hey it was allowed and proper

[proven sky]

the mojave was the frontier of the ncr. so if it had purified water then they definitely had purified water in the capital

[silver river]

Thanks

[normal veldt]

Ah right, I kinda have to agree

Max's dad was apparently some kinda engineer but yeah, all you can do is to chalk it up to typical "NCR incompetence"

Like seriously there should've been checkpoints for all the traders and whatnot at the heart of NCR, they made smuggling a nuke look too ez

[weary sorrel]

House even offered rather decent terms to the NCR as per his Order of Withdrawal he has the Courier give Oliver in his route’s ending; he’d be an absolute moron to immediately just have Hank nuke his best customers.

[silver river]

Man those elders are all crazy only normal one is quintas and maxson

Elijah was more normal then the othered Jesus

[cold jetty]

These elders aren’t that bad

[ebon furnace]

that would be an incorrect assumption. the mojave wasteland had purified water due its reserves. you cannot assume that the rest of the ncr had the same reserves. purifying water is a difficult business, and it wouldnt be a stretch to say that while the ncr was quite advanced, its water wasnt compeltely rid of rads

[covert galleon]

I said this earlier in the day, it’s a mix of complacency and laziness. At any other time, there’s a US soldier on base guard to be asleep somewhere in the world and there are a surprising amount of videos about about it and the people actually just legitimately asleep

[silver river]

Your totally right I didn’t even think of this

[proven sky]

yeah for sure. i can write maybe one or 2 things off as ncr incompetence if the story is better for it. but after a certain point it definitely feels like writers being lazy

[silver river]

Not even the elders the soldiers themselves too they are giving power armor to dudes who play with plasma geenades

[late wedge]

At least they’re not dudes who use power armor to see who can jump off the tallest building before dying. Thank goodness all BOS factions have never had any soldiers do dumb shit

[silver river]

Which faction did this lmao

[covert galleon]

My theory is this chapter descended from a bunch of marines who were in basic training during the great war

[cold jetty]

FO4

[weary sorrel]

Especially since, let us not forget, Shady Sands was the OG NCR capital, its literal birthplace. That city should be the most well-defended place in the NCR, yet it had less security around it than the paltry garrison sitting around outside Primm back in NV.

[deep wave]

The commonwealth brotherhood

[late wedge]

BOS in Fallout 4, it’s a terminal entry on the prydwen

[weary sorrel]

I get that the NCR aren’t big brain at times, but even Oliver wasn’t this stupid.

[silver river]

Okay well atleast there was a purpose for it the dudes fighting and plasma have no benefits

[covert galleon]

They weren’t expecting bombing by subterfuge they’re probably concerned about large raider parties, which is why you saw troops deployed there in the streets

[silver river]

Plus maxson is the goat he took over the institute

[normal veldt]

Nope, that's not Moldaver, her name was Julia

Max's mum is played by Shinelle Azoroh

[late wedge]

There wasn’t a purpose, it was something they weren’t supposed to be doing. It just shows that dumb solider guys do dumb soldier shit sometimes, like literally every army in all the history of the world

[silver river]

Your totally right I’m thinking too much abt it

[deep wave]

All I know is that the railroad is probably cooked lmao

[cold jetty]

Tbf That’s not comparable to playing with a grenade next to 4 elders tho

[covert galleon]

Yeah, I mean seriously I think people who have been in or are in the military will be the first to tell you that and also YouTube

[covert galleon]

Hey, we all do. It’s part of the fun.

[weary sorrel]

You telling me they ain’t checking incoming caravans for security reasons or even basic contraband checks?

[ebon furnace]

its complacency.

theres plenty of reasons why the ncr couldve been complacent;
customs gaurd was lazy
customs guard took pity cuz the caranver was a vet
customs guard didnt want to interact with a ptsd -apparent dude
etc etc

[silver river]

This is a good point

[ember elk]

HA! ALIENS!!

[cold jetty]

With none of the others knights trying to stop them

[covert galleon]

Maybe if it was a trader and not just an NCR soldier and it could’ve also just been the guy got through because the dude at the gate was taking a piss break

[silver river]

Plus the elders themselves were fools sometimes

[proven sky]

i’m sorry but this is crazy to me. the clean water in fnv is not all from reserves. the water flowing out of hoover dam is purified. they definitely have water purification tech

the water coming out of ground wells is purified

[ebon furnace]

the water wasnt irradieted because house shot down the nukes

[proven sky]

they absolutely definitely have purified water in their capital

[ebon furnace]

not bc hoover dam had purifiers

[normal veldt]

I low-key suspect that Mr. House might turn on Hank when he finds out about who actually nuked Shady Sands

[ebon furnace]

lake mead is free of rads when you swim in it

[silver river]

So many fallout games revolve around water

[late wedge]

Yes, 100% agreed on that

[covert galleon]

Yeah, I don’t think house wants that kind of midterm downturn in business if you will

[ebon furnace]

no lmao lake mead is free of rads when you swim in it, hoover dam didnt have purifiers, its pure since house shot down the nukes

[weary sorrel]

Guy’d logically have a crash out worse than he had if the Courier refused to give him the Platinum Chip or blew up the Securitron Vault.

[normal veldt]

Like honestly, Hank is literally dressing like another Benny

[silver river]

If you think about it the courier kind of did too

[proven sky]

so is the water in the colorado river

[normal veldt]

Wdym

[silver river]

He became houses man after Benny betrayed him I think the reason house didn’t arrest Benny was really because he needed a back up of some sort at the very least

I mean sure he said it didn’t look good for business but he had the chip that house wanted so badly

[proven sky]

the river flows from areas that were not protected by house. so it being clean means that at some point it’s being purified actively.

[ember elk]

Know we know how Area 51 has remained hidden for so long.

[silver river]

House always needs one person he ca trust working for him

[coarse grove]

Maxson would be 29 as of the show, so it's safe to assume he's alive and well.

[coarse grove]

Arrest Benny? House would've just killed him or blackmailed him some-way. House needed leverage and a guarantee that his plan would still move forward with or without Benny. That's where the Courier comes in.

[ember elk]

Seriously, just how powerful IS the Commonwealth?!

[coarse grove]

Very.

[sand thicket]

Most powerful chapter to date

[weary sorrel]

Assuming he didn’t ‘fall in battle’ like Sarah Lyons, who totally did not get killed by the Outcasts.

[ember elk]

Oh, right. I forgot they have Liberty Prime.

[silver river]

Holy peak the old world blues and sierra madre music at the finale of the operation sunburst animation

[weary sorrel]

Liberty Prime stomping on these traitors would be so sweet.

[ember elk]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-prime-communism-fallout-liberty-gif-12286995

[silver river]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-crying-clapping-moved-beautiful-gif-5240448

[coarse grove]

They have all the East Coast chapters - and it's confirmed that Maxson has the Council of Elders at his back. And in the show it's stated that not all the Chapters in the West show up, so some West Chapters probably still align with Maxson or the Commonwealth.

[proven sky]

i really don’t buy the commonwealth being the most powerful by the amount they seem to imply

[ebon furnace]

colorado river upstream doenst flow through northern california

[coarse grove]

Sarah Llyons fell in a patrol duty, and Maxson killed a death claw at 12 years old? He's the most capable leader the Brotherhood has especially in terms of combat prowess. He fought a supermutant uprising leader at 15 or 16 and won.

[ebon furnace]

and we never interacted with downstream colorado river

[weary sorrel]

I’d be curious to see if the Mojave chapter’s still around and who they’d support in this civil war.

[coarse grove]

The lore literally says otherwise.

[sand thicket]

I think it was 15 then he united the brotherhood only at 16

[ebon furnace]

its called having a giant ass robot and the ability to spam airships, as well as having cross country communication

[coarse grove]

Yeah.

[sand thicket]

And became youngest elder

[ember elk]

I want to believe Sarah Lyons was assassinated.

[pulsar hinge]

They have: institute technology including teleportation, a giant robot, an airship, a huge access to military weapons via the Pentagon and the nuclear weapon storage in fo4, plus the Anchorage armories from operation Anchorage, alien technology, and possibly even the alien mothership

[coarse grove]

Even if she was, it's irrelevant because she wasn't capable.

[proven sky]

it doesn’t need to. my point isn’t that shady sands feeds from the colorado. it’s that upstream of the section of the colorado which we can see in game was definitely not protected from being irradiated by nukes. so the fact that it isn’t irradiated in game means that at some point it’s being filtered

[ember elk]

Very true.

[ivory pumice]

Why do they hate the Commonwealth now?

[ebon furnace]

upstream river quality isnt representative of downstream water quality, thats basic environmental science

[ivory pumice]

What did Elder Maxson do???

[sand thicket]

Because they control all of the major tech

[coarse grove]

The lore we got from the Capital Wasteland in Fallout 4 confirmed that all leaders following Elder Llyon's death sucked.

[ivory pumice]

I mean they do have liberty prime

[coarse grove]

Until Maxson.

[proven sky]

like they’ve got liberty prime, but he can literally be destroyed by conventional explosives. we saw it happen before. and seemingly every chapter had an airship now so that’s not a factor in the power balance

[ebon furnace]

you dont measure the pollution levels of a river at its source no?

[proven sky]

i was typing that out before i got sidetracked

[coarse grove]

They said it in the episode did you miss it?

[ebon furnace]

conventional explosives

literal full orbital barrage

dude

[ivory pumice]

Idk if I got to that part yet

[sand thicket]

No I mean when other chapters go on expeditions and find advanced pre war tech the commonwealth often takes control of it because they command the rest of the brotherhood chapters

[coarse grove]

It's more than liberty prime. How much do you genuinely know of the Brotherhood back East???

[ebon furnace]

lmk when you find the ncr having a rods from god sattelite

[coarse grove]

Okay, I'll answer it later if you're still curious.

[proven sky]

what. are you saying that if the water is irradiated at its source in colorado, you can measure it in nevada and it will be pure?

i’m really not following there

[ivory pumice]

Tell me in like 19 minutes

[coarse grove]

I got you, just ping me again, I'll explain.

[ivory pumice]

I'm still watching it

[errant bobcat]

its been 9 years to boot, the commonwealth chapter must be fucking huge by now

[proven sky]

the source of the colorado was not protected from being nuked. it was definitely irradiated during the war. and yet, downstream, the water is pure. so it is being purified somewhere

[errant bobcat]

4 chapters scared of 1, its telling

[normal veldt]

Assuming they actually fully recovered all the data from the Institute and even recruited more scientists from that organisation

The only place in the US that could challenge their technological prowess would probably be the Big MT (or the Shi and maybe the Enclave) amirite?

[ebon furnace]

wtf no? water will become more polluted as you go downstream. shady sands feeds from the upstream colorado, and while the upstream colorado may be pure, that doesnt mean that shady sands is recieving pure water.

do you measure pollution levels of a river at its source or its exit?

[coarse grove]

It is gigantic, it's not just the Commonwealth, Maxson conquered DC entirely.

[ember elk]

I wonder if they raided the Institutes technology.

[coarse grove]

So he has two big locations at his back. Boston, and DC - under his control.

[sand thicket]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the brotherhood ending is the true ending and they absorbed the minutemen into their ranks

[gusty sun]

Commonwealth BOS is huge

[coarse grove]

Even if they didn't, they got access to ALL Institute's information and locations for bases, this is a quest you do before you destroy them.

[sand thicket]

and he probably has control of Appalachia too parts of Virginia as well

[weary sorrel]

Wonder if Quintus would try and lob a nuke at DC or Boston if his faction got access to a nuclear silo at some point.

[coarse grove]

I wouldn't put it past him.

[ember elk]

Don't forget The Pitt. Once a place for manufacturing for steel.

[ebon furnace]

probably. the only dude more psycho than him is elijah

[sand thicket]

Nah his chapter has some of the dumbest scribes and knights

[coarse grove]

They have control of the Pitt, too, I forgot, holy shit.

[normal veldt]

Too bad I'm pretty sure Madison Li is through with the BoS at the end of fo4
So that's gonna hinder some progress

[errant bobcat]

the knights are idiots but the scribes seem ok

at least for now

[proven sky]

shady sands doesn’t need to receive water from the colorado. i never made any point about it receiving water from the colorado.

my entire point is that the colorado river, a flowing body of water which is not just some reservoir which house was able to protect, is pure. therefore the purification technology exists

[coarse grove]

They could forcibly recruit some scientists.

[sand thicket]

I don’t even know how these guys get knighted

[gusty sun]

Different chapters are less disciplined than others

[normal veldt]

And that's not gonna pan out too well for them

[sand thicket]

In fallout 4 to become a knight you basically be a lapdog running errands for the brotherhood before you get knighted

[weary sorrel]

Yeah, what was going on with that power armor fight; Dornan was very clear back in Fallout 2 that power armor isn’t exactly disposable stuff.

[coarse grove]

It depends on how, and who. Lol Maxson doesn't like to bully, or go after humans, or wastelanders. It's stated he doesn't believe in it.

[ember elk]

Chances are, with the Water Purifier in DC, they'd use the Institute tech to build it better and get it to The Pitt.

[proven sky]

what more is it really?

[gusty sun]

Dornan is talking about X-01 in that exchange, which is in short supply, T-60 is pre war and probably plentiful

[coarse grove]

Yeah, and if they control the Pitt, means Maxson's commonwealth has industry under their belt.

[proven sky]

they nuked the institute so they dont have all of their tech to analyze and adopt

[weary sorrel]

If y’all want to fight, bare knuckle/martial arts is good enough; pulling a knife on your fellow member during sparring feels like a major no-no.

[sand thicket]

Yeah that was wierd

Dude was probably off of psycho

[ebon furnace]

im not following. the colorado river is the colorado river. it could be pure because it was relatively untouched by the bombs. just because its pure doesnt mean it was due to someone having purification technology. utah isnt going to be bombed as heavily as california in a nuclear war

[proven sky]

yeah doesnt feel like a healthy organization where the grunts are organizing deathmatches for the entertainment of the leadership

[ember elk]

I would say they had to salvage any tech that is useful.

Creating synths is bad, mmmm'kay?

[weary sorrel]

Then again, these Brotherhood fellas are acting half the time like Raiders with power armor.

[sand thicket]

Yeah

[gusty sun]

They are just that at their core

[weary sorrel]

Or, funnily enough, like the Legion.

[sand thicket]

These knights of San Fernando are just goons and dimwits with power armor and advanced tech

[ebon furnace]

tbf, maximus went for the dick punch first, which is a big no no

[proven sky]

this feels handwavy though. i could make the same argument about shady sands or anywhere else."they have pure water cause the water wasnt made unpure." i thought the rule from basically all of the games was that if you find a pure body of water, that shit is not an accident

every river and most bodies of water in every game where swimming has been a feature has been horribly irratiated, except for the ones where it was evidently made to be pure through human action

[coarse grove]

They have the Pitt under their control, Liberty prime, the Institute's information to access all their field bases and field technology, they have more than one Airship. Maxson controls the entire Eastern Seaboard with the Brotherhood in terms of territory, he has the Council of Elders at his back.
Maxson has the Capital Wasteland, and Boston in his control.

Keep in mind majority of Maxson's BoS members are combat tested, they fought the Enclave, they fought multiple mutant uprisings in DC, they fought in Boston against Gunners, against the Institute, probably against the Railroad too. They're combat and field tested - their training is rigorious evident by the Pentagron training we see, and the quests you get in Fallout 4 to actively train recruits.

The West is afraid because the East is actually unified under Maxson and operate as a cohesive force, uncontested in the territory they conquer and control.

[ebon furnace]

its not accidental,

a) utah was not as hit heavily by the bombs as california, we know that since SLC was only hit with one nuke via randall clarks entries
b) house shot down most of the las vegas nukes, which explains why the mead resevoir is clean of water
c) zion is relatively pure because, as utah wasnt has hit as heavily, nature was able to purify itself
d) this likely extends to the colorado river, and we know downstream colorado is irradiated since in fnv, the south point of the colorado is slightly irradiated

[sand thicket]

We’ve seen knights playing with plasma grenades, guys gooning in the barracks, knights not turning on their headlamps in the dark, beating eachother up for fun. Titus failing to take out a single Yao gui (though he’s actually from the commonwealth it seems).

[coarse grove]

I don't know how you can, in good faith, question why the Commonwealth is possible. You'd have to ignore the achievements they've made since DC.

[proven sky]

im sorry but i just dont buy it

[cold jetty]

I don’t believe Titus is from the commonwealth. Quintus already has an airship it doesn’t make sense for the commonwealth to send the prydwen

[proven sky]

its too much out of universe explanation

[weary sorrel]

Fellas even took decent casualties from a bunch of Shady Sands survivors.

[ebon furnace]

all im saying is that the only instance of purified water in the west coast was in fnv and that was due to circumstances unrelated to california, it is not a stretch to assume that the ncr did not have purification technologies

[coarse grove]

Decent? They lost almost all the forces from the first wave, they needed to send another 6 vertibirds as back-up.

[proven sky]

youre supposing that its due to cicrumstances unrelated to technology

[sand thicket]

But when it arrived if they said “our mission comes from the highest of clerics in the commonwealth” and the other brotherhood members seemed unaware that these knights were coming to them

[proven sky]

theres nothing in universe to suggest that

and everything in universe suggests the opposite

[sand thicket]

If Quintus already had an airship why would it not already be at their base of operations

[ebon furnace]

i gave you 4 pieces of evidence as to why the colorado river is pure, whether you wish to accept or deny those pieces of in-universe evidence is up to you,

[cold jetty]

Quintus can have multiple bases and yeah the commonwealth gave a mission to the closest chapter to willzigs location

Maximus base doesn’t seem like it sees much action

[coarse grove]

This, yeah.

[weary sorrel]

I’d love to see these jokers go up against the proper NCR.

[coarse grove]

The West would struggle, heavily against the NCR proper for sure.

[sand thicket]

I’m pretty sure Titus is from the commonwealth

[coarse grove]

Doubtful.

[sand thicket]

Dude even has a Boston accent

[ember elk]

Doubtful.

[coarse grove]

He's way too young my guy.

[sand thicket]

Titus isn’t young

His actor is in his 50s

[coarse grove]

Older actors have never played younger characters before???

[weary sorrel]

Maybe the Commonwealth and its loyalists will be desperate enough to ask the NCR for assistance against Quintus’s rebels?

[proven sky]

but no in-game evidence about the colorado river. some parts of utah are cleanish, sure that doesnt explain the other 1000 miles upstream from hoover dam. theres nothing in universe to support that every section of that 1000 miles was also untouched.

when the rule of the game series has been that the radiation lingers way past how it actually would in real life, and that nothing really gets better unless people make it better, i cant be convinced that the NCR doesnt have water purification tech after more than a century of scientific advancement, railroad construction, agricultural research, etc.

[coarse grove]

Yeah, an East / NCR alliance would be the best outcome.

[sand thicket]

Well titus is dead so doesn’t matter

[ebon furnace]

we know that in zion that the water is clean

[coarse grove]

Agreed.

[coarse grove]

This, yes, Zion water is pure and clean.

[ebon furnace]

that is the result of natural processes

[normal veldt]

Yeah, they arrived California on the Prydwen, right?

I wonder what happened to the rest of the East Coast BoS reinforcements

[coarse grove]

Having recently just finished HH in a modded playthrough, the water is fresh, clean, and not irradiated.

[gusty sun]

Do you guys not know the virgin is a Colorado tributary?

[coarse grove]

If Quintus was smart

he would've sent them on suicide missions.

[ember elk]

Because Zion Canyon and Park wasn't hit by the nukes.

[weary sorrel]

Expended on the Griffith Observatory raid Uriah-style, maybe?

[gusty sun]

Colorado is almost certainly clean if the Virgin in Zion is unradiated

[coarse grove]

It was, just not as bad - Randall's diary says that Zion wasn't hit as bad, especially because due to the radiation being so bad nearby he could've leave the caves for months, almost up to a year.

[sand thicket]

I have a feeling that all these airships are just called “prydwen” it’s probably just the class name of the model like how irl zeppelins had different names depending on the model

[cold jetty]

And Xander doesn’t. Titus fits the description of what we’ve seen of the west while Xander is stated to be the antithesis of Knight Titus.

It doesn’t make sense for the commonwealth to send the prydwen on a cross country trip without an elder and let Quintus have the cold fusion.

[coarse grove]

They're not, their names different.

[ivory pumice]

Alright tell me

[ember elk]

And most likely the nukes weren't that big, and the radiation was gone by the time of Honest Hearts.

[proven sky]

liberty prime isnt invincible to conventional explosives as we've seen in game. sure he's threatening but he's not really a deciding factor in a war with peers. the other chapters also have their airships, not that those have been demonstrated to be armed exactly. they serve mainly as troop transport. meaning that the western chapters already have the home field advantage in not having to move thousands of troops across the continent.

[sand thicket]

But in the show the airship that shows up to Quintus base is called the prydwen

It’s straight from the commonwealth

[normal veldt]

So the East Coast BoS are pretty incompetent as well, huh?

[sand thicket]

Unless it’s just the name of the model instead of calling them airships

[proven sky]

it doesnt pass the smell test for me tbh. maybe theyre super fucking strong on the east coast. but thats the thing - theyre on the east coast. supply lines across the whole continent would be a bitch to maintain

[gusty sun]

Here, I did I quick doodle just to illustrate how connected the Colorado is to the Virgin just for reference