EPISODE 2

[coarse grove]

if this season does well, probably

[torpid cargo]

This hurts

[coarse grove]

We already have Season 3 underway in development i think.

[night glen]

after lucy, ghoul and maximus journeys end, i would like the show to continue with new character and different regions

[wet lintel]

It would help bethesda better if they just made separate studios again to make a new fallout game

[coarse grove]

I said this the other day and was surprised to see people say it would be a bad idea, lol

[wet lintel]

It rlly isnt because lets be real theres certain people at bethesda i do not agree with

[night glen]

i just don't want another perpetual wasteland

[wet lintel]

One being Emil

[candid talon]

guess Imma start playing New Vegas again

[wet lintel]

i dont think he should write fallout games

they already have the guy who wrote far harbor

just let that guy be a lead writer and split teams

[torpid cargo]

They teased us with those functioning society flashbacks. Would be a crime not to have a game with that taste.

[coarse grove]

yes, but have we considered that he might be okay with just writing smaller stuff like Far Harbor? lol

[wet lintel]

he worked on starfield

hit or miss just have someone else for a change

[torpid cargo]

Did he also write the god damn memory cube minigame?

[coarse grove]

Yes he fucking did.

Lol

[torpid cargo]

Get em outta here

[wet lintel]

tbf theres a diff between a writer and creative designer

Writers job isnt gameplay

[coarse grove]

He still approved of that narrative with DIMA and his stupid cubes.

[wet lintel]

Emil doesnt control how the game plays

[wet lintel]

well sure narratively u access Dima’s memories

thats fine

the gameplay wasnt

[coarse grove]

No, what im saying is that - he saw it and thought it was fine. Game development is not this disjointed network were you don't see what your Coworker is doing. That's not how it works.

[wet lintel]

hes a writer

even emil doesnt have control of gameplay

He didnt say “hey the 10mm pistol isnt cool enough because its this or that”

its different jobs

[coarse grove]

What im saying is, that he could've chosen something else, that would've pushed the gameplay in a different direction.

The memory idea is what leant to it being a cube mini-game.

[wet lintel]

how do u write “player control cube”

[coarse grove]

They go hand in-hand.

[sacred shuttle]

ep 2 so peak

[wet lintel]

thats still a gameplay designer job

sure he approved but he approved the concept of the story not the concept of the gameplay

thats the creative director’s job

thats the game designer’s job

theres a bunch of positions again have to agree that this was fine

and they all picked wrong

[coarse grove]

They jobs are not disconnected like that but, we can agree to disagree. lol

[wet lintel]

if u think writers have all the power to control how the game works

thats not how it works

[coarse grove]

I never said that.

[wet lintel]

But ur basically saying the writer is responsible for the crappy cube minigame

because he must have “approved”

which again he could have written the concept of accessing Dima’s memories

which worked for the story

the gameplay was diff

[coarse grove]

I'm not gonna explain it again. 😛 I'd rather move onto a different topic.

[wet lintel]

A better game designer would have made those memories better

[coarse grove]

I was wondering if we'd see some of them burrow, actually but we did not. 😔

[wet lintel]

then heres what we can agree. writers are not game designers

Thats not their position

[coarse grove]

Would've been a bit more terrifying in that regard. Lol

[torpid cargo]

The CGI team has a eye over one shoulder of the writing department

[coarse grove]

True, I had even wondered if the Barkscorpions could burrow, but I guess now? Hm.

[coarse grove]

I thought this too, because it's obvious that Vault Tec building is underground, and it's been maintained. BUT we see no robots.

I wonder if it'll be a new engine for Fallout 5 entirely.

[torpid cargo]

Have we gotten to see any shady sands ghouls yet? I can’t remember.

[coarse grove]

No, i don't think so, not yet at least.

[sand thicket]

Rose

[coarse grove]

Ah yeah Rose was the only one. Tragic.

[torpid cargo]

Oh yeah.

[cold jetty]

Maybe this ghoul at the observatory

[coarse grove]

yeah cause it's implied they were kept there and THEN turned feral.

[analog timber]

yoo

who pulled up in the chopper at the end

[coarse grove]

Xander Harkness.

[analog timber]

is it kid from fallout 4

[coarse grove]

New character.

[night glen]

Imagine surviving a nuke TWICE just to some greedy guys in PA to kill you

[coarse grove]

nah

[analog timber]

oh ok

[coarse grove]

and they take the Cold Fusion after you just got it for the city. 😂

[analog timber]

i thought he was the leader of the from the 4th game

[coarse grove]

Nope! Entirely new character.

[analog timber]

thanks man

[coarse grove]

[analog timber]

anybody favortie part of ep 2?

[coarse grove]

The Legion scene was really intense, but the Shady Sands flashback was probably my favorite.

[analog timber]

ceasers legion was crazy

"i dont wanna see you get rekted " then these fellas pop of the hill just like game

[austere tendon]

just watched it

that ending outro looks like Legion Heartlands

Arizona, Colorado

[coarse grove]

someone said it earlier, but notice how loyal the slave was - she returned straight back to them after escaping?? crazy to think.

[coarse grove]

Nah it's a new location, I bet. It looked like a Stadium.

[analog timber]

huh

who returned

[coarse grove]

The woman lucy saved was a Legion slave.

[cold jetty]

Bro

[austere tendon]

yeah new location, we haven't seen Legion home territory

[analog timber]

how did you know she was their slave

[coarse grove]

Her clothes

[analog timber]

i didnt see brand or collar

[austere tendon]

she wears legion slave outfit

[coarse grove]

She's wearing the tunics

[analog timber]

uhhhh

[austere tendon]

they don't wear collars

[coarse grove]

it's why the Ghoul calls her 'tunic' specifically - cause Legion slaves only wear those.

[analog timber]

had to play to understand that

[coarse grove]

Yup. lol

[austere tendon]

also cooper noticed it was legion slave immediately

[analog timber]

fucken love it

[austere tendon]

and she spoke latin

[coarse grove]

He's probably ran into them a lot.

[coarse grove]

Well, it might be all new given we have two Legion leaders, so i suspect - they'll have a lot of territory, but it's probably shifted over the years.

[analog timber]

well latin is universal but i guess in falloout its the legion langue

[austere tendon]

not many speak latin after the bombs

[coarse grove]

very few, if almost no one speaks latin except for the Legion & Followers of Apocalypse, so far.

[analog timber]

wtf

wow

thats really cool tho

did yall see the space ship

under the blanket

[coarse grove]

Yeah, the Zetan ship.

[night glen]

She probably knows what would happen to her if she tried to escape and got caught

[analog timber]

yeah

oooh

[coarse grove]

I'm SHOCKED the Western Brotherhood is so uneducated they didn't even recognize the Zetans man.

[analog timber]

true

[coarse grove]

For sure.

[analog timber]

well they were dead, even if they were alive they just murder and move on

[coarse grove]

Nah, cause even in the Eastern Brotherhood - they freak out when you show them Zeta tech.

[analog timber]

bh has black and white views to better the common wealth

wat were

[coarse grove]

In Fallout 3, you can turn in the Alien blaster, and Mothership Zeta weapons to the Outcasts, his reaction is priceless.

[analog timber]

after dlc

[coarse grove]

yes

[analog timber]

or just in the main game

[coarse grove]

or if you get the firelance, or alien blaster before you do the Zeta dlc, you can go turn it in

you lose it - but his reaction is still unique.

[analog timber]

oh so it not hidden its been the base game

thats is sick

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's what I mean - the Eastern brotherhood would have a sensible reaction to the Zeta tech.
The Western is like, "YOOOOOOOOOO AN ICE BOX."

[analog timber]

welll ice is very important

[coarse grove]

didn't even acknowledge the weirdo creature that just shattered at their feet. 😂

[analog timber]

i relate

[coarse grove]

Also Cryolator origins confirmed??? If it was ever stated the Cryolator came from or was created in Area 51 I might've missed that in FO4.

[lost marten]

That was fucking insane

So good

[raw flare]

Finished it

[coarse grove]

It was

I said it earlier but - i love the second season so far, even more than the first.

[raw flare]

Going to be interesting, expecting an NCR interaction and CL interaction plus Civil war stuff

For Ep 3

[lost marten]

The zetans are so fuckin cool

[coarse grove]

The Ghoul meets the NCR at Camp Golf, and Lucy is dragged to the Legion camp.

[coarse grove]

You can see their ship if you peek enough in the back lol

[lost marten]

Deadass?!

[coarse grove]

Yeah

It was covered by a cloth

[raw flare]

Is it fortification hill or somewhere else?

[austere tendon]

it was made in vault 111

[coarse grove]

No, the Legion camp is a Stadium. It's shown in the credits. 🙂

[lost marten]

Holyyyyy shit

[raw flare]

oh ok

[coarse grove]

Wonder how it ended up ALL the way out to the West.

[analog timber]

aye but is that ep 2?

i guess the army wanted it

you know a gun

i thought vault tect made cryo chambers tech then the army weaponized it

oxhorn talked about it

[austere tendon]

i don't know if that's where their camp is. trailers doesn't show the stadium

[analog timber]

does it matter their location

a location can move

[austere tendon]

previous episode outro showed Primm and we haven't seen it yet

[analog timber]

in rdr2 camp moved throughtout the game

[coarse grove]

Keep in mind we have two Legion leaders, not 1.

So it could be in one camp, or the other.

[austere tendon]

2? how do we know that

[coarse grove]

Bethesda in an interview

[analog timber]

yeah idk about fallout 3

ohok

[analog timber]

oh i member but thers only that

like that all we know on that

[coarse grove]

It says TWO Factions called Caesar's Legion. The Legion plot revolves around 2 brothers - think of it like Romulus and Remus.

[lost marten]

Wrong Chanel lmao

[analog timber]

its cool

[analog timber]

i mean thats cool

[tawdry horizon]

God the Brotherhood seems so shitty

[raw flare]

What’s this?

[raw flare]

Link to this interview

Cause one will be Mckauley caulkin who will be Ceasar

[sacred shuttle]

so peak

i wonder what other chapters were gonna see

[worldly egret]

Dude

[smoky timber]

i love how different the brotherhood chapters are

[worldly egret]

seeing the ||alien|| made me laugh so hard

[sacred shuttle]

lowkey crine

[sacred shuttle]

real bro got ignored

[smoky timber]

im glad they also kept elements of the brotherhoods lack of social proggressiveness too

[smoky timber]

a fallout 3/NV zetan no less too

[worldly egret]

They also showed the shock baton that the aliens used in fallout 3

[sacred shuttle]

also the pistol

[tawdry horizon]

Yeah they aren't really "good guys"

[smoky timber]

pretty sure the ship was from F4

[tawdry horizon]

East Coast Lyons Chapter being a noted exception

[sacred shuttle]

it is

[worldly egret]

Dude the canyon brotherhood/elder with a piece of skin missing is how all my fallout 4 protagonists look😭

[smoky timber]

no, the show has done a great job of making these guys look like real dickheads

[worldly egret]

Also the incident with the robot???

[smoky timber]

i love how different the outfits are too

[sacred shuttle]

why's the commonwealth chapter feared

[smoky timber]

fisto? is that you?

[sacred shuttle]

ion get it bruh

[worldly egret]

Maxson

[wispy shoal]

Does anyone know where the corrado chapter is located?

[raw flare]

There being different brotherhood chapters makes me less annoyed about how this chapter is religious zealouts

[austere tendon]

commonwealth bos is the one from fo3 and 4

[sacred shuttle]

hes goated, but ion het it

[worldly egret]

I LOVE religious brotherhood ngl

[cold jetty]

Awardswatch season 2 review

[raw flare]

i dont mind them

[sacred shuttle]

i hope to see brotherhood outcast

[austere tendon]

one even says something about not as religious thingy

[smoky timber]

i honestly thought that quintus was just mispronouncing colorado tbh

[cold jetty]

They’re done

[wispy shoal]

I had subtitles on

He says corrado

[austere tendon]

outcasts are gone since fo4

[raw flare]

They also realised they messed up the BoS ranks a bit i feel so they have changed them so we are finally seeing Paladins

[worldly egret]

How big do you guys think the commonwealth brotherhood is gonna be?

[wispy shoal]

Thats why im so confused

[smoky timber]

religious brotherhood is best bc theyre based on the knights of the crusade

[sacred shuttle]

rip

[worldly egret]

I want a book that explores their beliefs

[sacred shuttle]

prob about this big 🤲

def colarado

[worldly egret]

3 whole chapters vs one commonwealth

[wispy shoal]

I think the commonwealth chapter is gonma be far larger than all 3

[sacred shuttle]

commonwealth prob has more tech tho

since institute

[analog timber]

nah

[wispy shoal]

They also have prime

[tawdry horizon]

They don't exist anymore

[sacred shuttle]

aw

[worldly egret]

Im like 90% sure that the commonwealth brotherhood is using synth technology

[sacred shuttle]

real

[analog timber]

hmm

[wispy shoal]

Maxson pulling up with his synth army

[worldly egret]

They all are mini liberty primes

[tawdry horizon]

That's the whole thing with Maxson is he was able to get the Outcasts to join the East Coast Brotherhood while still maintaining Lyons' "compassion"

[analog timber]

could be the f4 plot with the synth was shit

[sacred shuttle]

are we gonna see nate, prob not

[wispy shoal]

I doubt it

[analog timber]

rehashed fnv

[wispy shoal]

I think he will be mentioned though

[tawdry horizon]

I wonder why Harkness got there alone

[wispy shoal]

In a non deacriptive name

[tawdry horizon]

I mean vertibirds don't travel far

[analog timber]

my bad

[wispy shoal]

"Someone from a vault in the commonwealth"

[tawdry horizon]

So there must be an airship nearby

[raw flare]

A scout/ representative?

[worldly egret]

Ignore this

[sacred shuttle]

is harkness the same harkness from fo3

[tawdry horizon]

No

[analog timber]

i wanna see danse '

[wispy shoal]

No harkness was a white male

[sacred shuttle]

ye

[worldly egret]

I rather see Nate over the courier

[tawdry horizon]

Just similar names

[analog timber]

or nick

[sacred shuttle]

bro got melanin from radiation

[analog timber]

imagine nick and ghoul

[wispy shoal]

Radation gave him a accent

[sacred shuttle]

oh my gawd

[worldly egret]

So

[sacred shuttle]

rip airship btw

[raw flare]

Anyway from seeing the Trailer i feel maximus betrays the BoS and joins Harkness for a bit and then goes to be with the NCR. Could be majorly wrong

[sacred shuttle]

💔

[analog timber]

rip

[worldly egret]

Anyone else excited to see Texas brotherhood?

[sacred shuttle]

prob

[tawdry horizon]

Really seems like Hank isn't with VaultTech

[analog timber]

who the fuck hackbness [

[wispy shoal]

My question is wtf could the grand canyon chapter be doing

[sacred shuttle]

he's with the vtuber

[wispy shoal]

Its just a big canyon of rocks

[worldly egret]

Irl you cant explore certain areas

maybe there’s some bases

[raw flare]

Also i feel even though its not stated directly, Maximus is the Head Knight of his chapter

[sacred shuttle]

man

I can't wait for next ep

[analog timber]

hes gone over the chain of command

[sacred shuttle]

I'm so excited

[wispy shoal]

Oh true didnt think of that

I guess there main problem would be legion

[worldly egret]

Doesn’t the legion also occupy a portion of the Colorado

[cold jetty]

A reviewer called him that and Aaron moten said he is the highest ranking knight

[analog timber]

hank and norm are so alike '

[sacred shuttle]

how'd bro get up der

[raw flare]

So he is the

Interesting

[wispy shoal]

I think its something like this

[worldly egret]

Oh wait

OH SHIT

Dude

One of the brotherhood is working with the legion

Idk why this just clicked

[analog timber]

huhu

bs

[wispy shoal]

Oh shit yeah

One of the chapters hates women

They outright said it

[sacred shuttle]

oh shit

they ARE

[analog timber]

oh

[wispy shoal]

LEGION BROTHERHOOD😭

[tawdry horizon]

More on board the legion brotherhood theory than Anthony House

[worldly egret]

YES LEGION BROTHERHOOD

[raw flare]

Feel this is why we could see Legion + Brotherhood vs NCR + Brotherhood maybe as a season 3 thing

[worldly egret]

Bro

I also noticed that the Texas brotherhood doesn’t like the Colorado brotherhood

[wispy shoal]

Wait one was from texas?

[worldly egret]

It seems that these two chapters have picked up beliefs

[worldly egret]

The Grand Canyon one

[cold jetty]

One of the Californian elders said it

[raw flare]

One was from the Grand canyon, Colarado and idk about the others

[wispy shoal]

Grand canyon is arizona

[worldly egret]

Oh

Whoopsie

[cold jetty]

Coronado not Colorado

[wispy shoal]

Holy fuck texas bortherhood confirmed

[worldly egret]

Now i might be misremembering but arent the original rangers from Arizona

[wispy shoal]

Where was the female elder from

[worldly egret]

Before the ncr deal

[worldly egret]

Yosemite i think

[wispy shoal]

Since the coronado one hates women

[worldly egret]

And the grand canyon one hates the one that hates women

[cold jetty]

Correct. Another Californian brotherhood

[worldly egret]

Ok

So like

[wispy shoal]

So legion could have control of all of texas

[analog timber]

yo lets talk about norm

[cold jetty]

No Coronado

[analog timber]

fun fact during season 1 it was very unsure of a season 2

[wispy shoal]

Coronado was the dude who looks like dollar store caesar

[analog timber]

so norm was dead ass supposed to die ]

[wispy shoal]

Grand canyon dude had the licence plate in his head

[worldly egret]

Oh wait coronado is a real place?

[cold jetty]

Yes Yosemite, Coronado, and San Fernando are real places. All in California

[wispy shoal]

Wait all of them are from cali except grand canyon?

[cold jetty]

Correct

[analog timber]

huh

[wispy shoal]

Meanwhile mojave chapter in their little bunker

If there even still alive

[cold jetty]

Probably dead

[wispy shoal]

End of the season 2 they emerge and take all of california

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[cold jetty]

They’re fighting each other

[worldly egret]

Ngl

They only one I can take seriously is the lady and quintus

[wispy shoal]

Grand canyon guy seems like he likes robots too much

[cold jetty]

Chill on Grand Canyon he got the best fit

[wispy shoal]

Ngl true

[worldly egret]

Grand Canyon brotherhood is genuinely the best one though

[wispy shoal]

He had that shit on

[lofty needle]

holy just finished ep 2 so much happened in 1 episode

[wispy shoal]

Yeah i want ep 3 already so bad

[worldly egret]

Legions base is in a stadium??

I think that was the insane part for me

[wispy shoal]

I think its a movie set

[analog timber]

who fucken cares'

i hate to the asshole here

[lofty needle]

that looked pretty cool

[analog timber]

immma be the dick

a base can relocate

[worldly egret]

Yea there was also that one dude wearing baseball pads

In the trailer

[wispy shoal]

True

Hopefully we see culkin next ep

[worldly egret]

Yea

[tawdry horizon]

I'm interested how they do the brotherhood civil war

[worldly egret]

Dude I wanna see the new Vegas locations

[analog timber]

why would it matter were his base is

base form the game where was he

[tawdry horizon]

It seems like Max believes in more of the ideals than his current brotherhood

[cold jetty]

So this was the episode 3 trailer it seems

That’s why they deleted it

[wispy shoal]

Damn i want it so bad

[worldly egret]

I think that the last episode is gonna be one big brotherhood battle

[wispy shoal]

I really wonder where season 3 will go

[analog timber]

wait huh

[worldly egret]

Yea

[analog timber]

they deleted what

[worldly egret]

Season 3-5 is gonna be interesting

[worldly egret]

They deleted this @analog timber

[analog timber]

were was ceasres bse in rhe game

[worldly egret]

It was at the Hoover dam but it’s unknown what happened to it

[wispy shoal]

I think theyll answer that next week

Or the week after

[analog timber]

ohjok

[austere tendon]

thoughts

[wispy shoal]

I like the look its very realistic

[worldly egret]

I personally think the battle for the Hoover dam played out like a free for all
Mr houses army charges in
Ncr charges in
Legion charges in
Brotherhood prob got destroyed
Enclave DIDNT get a chance to join in/they died in the battle

[tawdry horizon]

When was the other time the brotherhood was on the verge of war

[analog timber]

wym that current pic of la after the fires

[austere tendon]

just need the shots of NCR soldiers

[wispy shoal]

Prop master needs a raise fr

[austere tendon]

did you see all the NCR propaganda posters?

[worldly egret]

Dude thats my courier Brutus

[analog timber]

wtf it was 1v1v1v1v1

[worldly egret]

Not confirmed yet but i think that’s what happened

[analog timber]

wym in the game what wher the factstions

[lofty needle]

why did they delete it?

[cold jetty]

They deleted it when episode 1 came out. They most likely meant to post a trailer for episode 2 but posted the episode 3 trailer instead

[analog timber]

hhsgashdjf

ha

[worldly egret]

Dude

[shadow jolt]

holy shit lucy is racist

[lofty needle]

oh right lol

[analog timber]

bro vro

[worldly egret]

Do you guys think the aliens changed their style in between fallout 3-4

[analog timber]

why is nobody talking about norm

[worldly egret]

He’s not that interesting no offense

[analog timber]

his arc is most iportant

really

huh ok nvm

i just happen to know about him alot

orginall;y he wasnt planed fully out

like he was supposed to die

[worldly egret]

I am interested in where his story is gonna go since they only ever showed him leaving the vault

[analog timber]

so his story is just imporve

the writers meant for him to die int he vault

he had two options

break the people or be cryoed which would you choose

[cold jetty]

apparently the vault plotline isn’t very interesting this season from what I’ve read

[analog timber]

to keep him going

the broke the people out then see waht happenes

the rest of his arc is unknown

[worldly egret]

Yea I haven’t been interested whatsoever

[lofty needle]

personally i dont see how it ties into everything else this season yet

oh yeah you guys see how big the vault acc is cause they came out on the other side of the pier where you can see vault 31's entrance really far away

[analog timber]

well it slucys home

she just wants her world back

didnt notice

[lofty needle]

i feel like theyve slightly retconned shady to be a smaller town now since in nv they say it houses all the NCR administration and politicians but i didnt really get that impression from the episode

it feels much smaller which is a change i dont mind

it implies the NCR is likely still very active just elsewhere

im still fascinated by which city they made their new capital

[analog timber]

wtf

vro

ncr is just regular people

yaknow

everywhere

[shadow jolt]

love how they dont give a fuck about the zetta

[lofty needle]

yeah but previously shady sands is made out to be the centre of the NCR and absolutely massive but here it seems thats not the case

[analog timber]

like the ncr is just postman of the current fallout modern world

[lofty needle]

yeah lol also they got a zhetan ship in the background in one scene

[austere tendon]

we might get more shady sands scenes

[tawdry horizon]

Why did the Ghoul casually murder the other legion slave?

I mean I know he's not a good guy

[austere tendon]

the bg detail in the city is insane

[shadow jolt]

tbh the scribes must be fumming when they shot up a functioning car

[lofty needle]

why didnt the ghoul tell lucy not to follow the legion slave lmao

[shadow jolt]

I like how he kept the bear claw mark on his armor

[lofty needle]

same it also really helps to identify him in scenes

speaking off i wonder how theyre gonna distinguish the commonwealth bos from this tv show bos visually

like if they fight in PA we wont be able to tell who is who lol

[shadow jolt]

I dont like maximus friend

[austere tendon]

this is why they do it for sure

[lofty needle]

i dont understand why dane is giving maximus the side eye so much like dane was the one that made maximus a knight lol

[plain grove]

he's manipulating him

[shadow jolt]

dane was a coward

is*

[plain grove]

oh Dane is the moustache young person

[lofty needle]

yeah dane is the one thats maximus friend

[shadow jolt]

maximus imo is up there with danse hes a true BOS

[plain grove]

im glad he's already grown out of being dumb and naive just from his rank

[lofty needle]

true im glad that maximus is actually competant now

[shadow jolt]

im glad maxson is being excluded lets face it hes a rabbid dog

[shadow jolt]

even by BOS standards

[austere tendon]

i wonder how these outros are made, looks like cgi outros

[violet plover]

He was always pretty capable, he was just impulsive and kinda power hungry

[shadow jolt]

id say he was eager to prove himself so he doesnt die by firing squad

[lofty needle]

im hoping all this dogging on the NCR is buildup for their return

[austere tendon]

i saw ep3 will have some ncr waiting for reinforcements and cooper meets them

[lofty needle]

oh thats next episode?

[austere tendon]

this implies ncr is around enough to actually have reinforcements

[lofty needle]

dam thats sick

[violet plover]

At worst I think they're going with the NCR being "too good for this world"

[lofty needle]

i mean with the NCR now not overexpanded and in a weakened state they need to make a new drawback for the NCR cause yeah i agree otherwise theyll just look like victims and too good (maybe thats the point idk)

[austere tendon]

also they made so much NCR posters in Shady Sands

[analog timber]

yeh

[lofty needle]

they look so cool i love all the posters for both factions in nv

[violet plover]

Yeah, too many NCR assets for them to not do anything with them

[analog timber]

ncr is the right choice

[shadow jolt]

I dont think the synths and insitute count as science run amock

[analog timber]

anybody kno thier cons

[austere tendon]

i am NOT biased in any way

[shadow jolt]

since it was perfectly controlled studied and tested

[analog timber]

they sholdnt be around but we got them

[lofty needle]

like lowkey maximus dad kind of messed it up for shady

[austere tendon]

i don't think if he didn't do anything it would make it better

but it had a 3 minute timer, i wonder how many evacuated in time

[analog timber]

noo?

[violet plover]

He seemed to be some kind of engineer/scientist, might have been the only person qualified in the area to even try

[analog timber]

the prvide aid and water

[lofty needle]

yeah true i mean it prob wouldve gone off regardless but it just gave that impression

[analog timber]

he did everything right

[austere tendon]

The NCR soldiers started immediately to lead the citizens to safety

[lofty needle]

also i like the idea of shady having unlimited clean water is signalling back to how it was founded using a GECK

[analog timber]

tbh shady had to go cus ofhank

hank would just kept sending nukes till it was gone

i mean yeah

max dad couldnt do anything but try

[shadow jolt]

tbh good on hank for thinking things through

[austere tendon]

after seeing the uniforms in the show i think i will buy this for my cosplay

[shadow jolt]

and making a failsafe

[analog timber]

wtf ]

i guesss

[shadow jolt]

like the last thing you want to do is send a disarmable nuke

[lofty needle]

question i have is where did hank get that mind control chip from for shady (did he raid another vault for it or did he just always have one)

[analog timber]

hank 5 int, max dad 4 int

[analog timber]

part of valt tect

ep 1 season2

[shadow jolt]

hanks as smart as a mole rat

[analog timber]

ye

wtf ]

[lofty needle]

no im saying hank only got access to them in episode 1 after raiding the commie vault and then the vault tech place he is in now, so where did he get the one for shady sands (im assuming he just went to one of those vaults perviously)

[analog timber]

as overserver he probably got heads up down the pipeline

who knows

[shadow jolt]

ngl hank has 0 right doing science experiments

with 5 int

[analog timber]

vault tech knew of every vault plus experiment's

[shadow jolt]

hank "max setting seems to kill them lets keep trying max setting with 0 diffrent results"

[lofty needle]

yeah lmao

oh maybe itll work on a person

[analog timber]

hes a gambling man baby

[past wasp]

Dude when tf do we see Victor. 💔

All I care about rn /hj

[analog timber]

who

who

[shadow jolt]

tbh it makes sense the legion wont be completely gone

[analog timber]

y

[shadow jolt]

the strongest and smart would be able to keep it going

[past wasp]

Right? Was lowkey liking him as a character too

[coarse talon]

Dang okay that ep was pretty peak

[analog timber]

dane who

the tomboy?

or the old guy

[coarse talon]

I don’t mess with the shady sands depiction since it looks regressed from Fallout 2 but I’m messing heavy with the BoS civil war

Glad to see the Commonwealth is the voice of reason from these west coast hooligans

[shadow jolt]

it would lose alot of fodder but the legion is capable imo of being continued by following ceasars way

[analog timber]

ay ethe girl the war meeting

she a kan

a khans

right

in the the war meeting

[austere tendon]

i am very interested in the 5 BoS factions

Shady Sands does look less like it did in Fo2 but i love seeing a huge city with just normal citizens everywhere, even if it lasted for a minute

[analog timber]

yup

[tawdry horizon]

Hank seems a lot less "Green" than the other Vault 31 residents

[analog timber]

who was in the civial war meeting

[coarse talon]

Same. This episode was good good food for me as a BoS enjoyer

Interesting that they’re all Californian and one Arizonan chapter

[austere tendon]

is that so? i don't recall what they said

[analog timber]

assumong they were purley bos ]

[lofty needle]

this what im saying im thinking theyve retconned shady to be a bit lesser (which is actually a good thing because it means the ncr is less screwed with it being nuked)

[shadow jolt]

tbh the commonwealth chapter of the bos is a shit stain on the group

[tawdry horizon]

Yeah seems like they're the west coast remnants that were kept at bay by the NCR

[sand thicket]

What a fuck, 6 mins in the second episode and already a nuke have been showed

[tawdry horizon]

Commonwealth is the most stable BoS chapter

The way the west coast chapters behave is more like a frat

[coarse talon]

Yosemite, Coronado and Grand Canyon were the BoS locations listed

[sand thicket]

Amazon is cooking as fuck

[austere tendon]

oh yeah just checked

[coarse talon]

Literally the best one

[sand thicket]

With that serie

[austere tendon]

Honestly, the BOS did form in California

i want to see how the commonwealth is now, and how did all the factions get a ship

what is Coronado

[shadow jolt]

the elder is a dumb rabbid dog who will exacute his most loyal solider because he cant get over his xenophobia and maxson fucked up by destroying the insitute

[austere tendon]

a place in calfornia is called coronado

[coarse talon]

City in San Diego county

[shadow jolt]

its a city

[raw flare]

I hope we see Rangers in the Mojave and not just in the Shady sands flashback

[austere tendon]

we will se rangers in mojave

[coarse talon]

Yeah this makes it clear Maxson is high Elder of the BoS now

[raw flare]

In actual riot gear u reckon?

[coarse talon]

And stayed in the commonwealth as he says he will in the BoS ending

[austere tendon]

saw some leaks yea

[raw flare]

Oh nice

U able to link them?

[austere tendon]

"they would kick our asses" so the commonwealth is stronger then that bos

[shadow jolt]

im hopping maxson has a teleporter set up could be nice if hes using insitute tech

[shadow jolt]

like imagine bos ready to appear anywhere in the commonwealth

[raw flare]

Nice

[eager nest]

cryolator

[austere tendon]

lets ignore the cryolater

[indigo thorn]

Sometimes I forget the Commonwealth BOS is the same as the Washington D.C one

[austere tendon]

this is also true

[analog timber]

cryolator

[austere tendon]

nooo

[analog timber]

ok

[austere tendon]

only the one elder is shown it's actor

[cold jetty]

Best one

[austere tendon]

so fusion cores got them to join his cause?

[shadow jolt]

bros fucking metal

[shadow jolt]

they work diffrently compared to in game and they can manafacture them

[coarse talon]

He can mass produce them. It gives his chapter an unlimited war machine

[indigo thorn]

I do wonder just how important the BOS plotline is going to be in the future (potential east coast season 3?)

[shadow jolt]

it opens them up to new tech too

do you guys think maxson after stealing all the insitutes data is using it to improve the commonwealth?

[cold jetty]

Cold fusion did. Cold fusion can power aircraft’s, power armor, and robots

[austere tendon]

oh true

[violet plover]

Snake Oil Salesman mentioned fusion cores are rare now last season

[cold jetty]

He can make an endless amounts of fusion cores with cold fusion

[austere tendon]

i guess they weren't always very plentiful

[shadow jolt]

theres a diffrence between a civilian having them and the mother fucking BOS

[indigo thorn]

I would assume fusion cores in California are rare because the only major faction left are taking them all

[lofty needle]

And this idea of a bos with unlimited fusion cores goes hard af lol

[coarse talon]

Based on the description given for the Paladin Kumail is playing I’m glad to see the commonwealth BoS is still noble. BoS civil war gonna be hawt

And it’s cool to see chapter differences like the Yesemite elder being anti religious

[lofty needle]

Im glad they called out how religious quntis chapter is

[coarse talon]

My eyes would open at that stash of fusion cores too

[indigo thorn]

I remember a ton of people theorized that Legion remnants fused into the B.O.S when season 1 came out

[shadow jolt]

quintus seems a bit too religous

[violet plover]

Honestly hedging my bets where things are going to end. Lucy, Max and Cooper will end the season separated, Lucy will be hardened while the Cooper will mostly shed the ghoul persona. Maximus will give cold fusion to the NCR in a sort of BoS-NCR alliance

[lofty needle]

I wouldnt be surprised if the rest of the MCR think that it was the bos who nuked shady

[cold jetty]

Why separated? It seems like they’re going to save Lucy from Hank

[lofty needle]

Since their airships popped up straight after

[coarse talon]

The Coronado elder ain’t beating the allegations

[lofty needle]

I wonder if the grand canyon chapter is the one caesar said he captured members of thst didnt even know the name of the brotherhoods original founder

[violet plover]

Mix of circumstance and choice, maybe separate leads on their respective goals. I think Lucy will go after Hank's masters

[cold jetty]

Oh

[lofty needle]

I think hank is doing his own thing

[austere tendon]

so where did hank get the chip for the caravanner

[lofty needle]

Im wondering this and the nuke

[violet plover]

Enclave is where it's going i think

[lofty needle]

Another vault perhaps

[lofty needle]

Yeah foreshadowing with that guy at the prewar meeting seems to suggest so

[fleet sand]

since the chipped trooper say patrolling the mojave, it likely that Hank travel to that vault to get the chip

[lofty needle]

True

[fleet sand]

which also mean Hank is pretty good at traveling around the wasteland

[violet plover]

The license plate metal skull is a great choice

[errant bobcat]

not as gross as flea soup but eww the fucking radscorpion was flailing all over Lucy's face

shit gave me the willies

[tawdry horizon]

What was the description

[errant bobcat]

that one misogynist elder said the Commonwealth chapter would kick their asses without hesitation

i wonder if its cause of liberty prime

[gentle mesa]

I really feel like they're building up for the NCR to make a comeback in the show. They show how the brotherhood has essentially devolved into little more than raiders with power armor and vertibirds and (persumably) will show how much it sucks to live under legion rule.

Everytime they reference the NCR, it's to show how things could be/were better before.

I think Maximus will take the cold fusion and run, giving it to the NCR

[violet plover]

Maximus seems to have locked in this season, surprising switch from arguably the most comedic one

[shadow jolt]

so lucy brother seems more competent than she is

[tawdry horizon]

Taking after his old man

[fleet sand]

it might be more that the commonwealth chapter have expand their power and influence from DC to Boston

[errant bobcat]

some folks thrive under pressure

[shadow jolt]

he has a army of disposable vault tech creatures

[fleet sand]

compare to the other chapter it might be that they are just start expanding

[cold jetty]

Yes

[shadow jolt]

so what do yall think will kill most of them off raiders or the wildlife

[violet plover]

I think they talk about turning the Commonwealth into a new center of influence for the Brotjerhood in 4

[errant bobcat]

combination of both

[violet plover]

Boston is kind of a pre-war tech goldmine

[errant bobcat]

Wildlife first almost certainly, then raiders

[shadow jolt]

my guess is a landmind

[gentle mesa]

I wonder, because they've essentially retconned the boneyard as shady sands, if they've made where shady sands SHOULD be a different settlement all together.

[tawdry horizon]

You even have Mass Fusion there too

[errant bobcat]

one guy is gonna go up to a raider, oblivious, while Norm hangs back all cautious, then the guy gets shanked and his face chewed off

[violet plover]

Claudia is supposed to be recurring

[cold jetty]

||I believe that’s norms love interest ||

[gentle mesa]

The whole "First Capitol of the NCR" thing on the Shady Sands billboard HAS to be deliberate.

[errant bobcat]

wonder what Harkness's deal is gonna be

[violet plover]

I think it's just a weird phrasing. Nor does it really eliminate the issue of Shady Sands being in the Boneyard

[tawdry horizon]

Claudia the ghoul?

[fleet sand]

it was there back in season 1

perhap they move the capital to the hub?

[violet plover]

Personally I just choose to ignore it. Season 1 was excusable for plot reasons and they didn't want to confuse people by changing it again

[cold jetty]

One of the vault 31 dwellers

They’re leaving Chet and Stephanie behind 💔

[indigo thorn]

Here's hoping we see more of the inbred guy storyline

[violet plover]

Norm gets a new situationship

[gentle mesa]

I mean, if there's a first Capitol than presumably there's a 2nd.

[tawdry horizon]

Ahh ok was she the one who couldn't see

[cold jetty]

Yes

[tawdry horizon]

I couldn't tell if she stayed blind or got her vision back?

[indigo thorn]

I wonder if The Anchorage flashbacks are in relation to the Deathclaw?

[wheat osprey]

Should I recognise paladin Harkness? Cuz I don’t

[indigo thorn]

Nope

[cold jetty]

He’s a new character

[abstract frigate]

What I am really wondering is where the hell is Lost Hills?

[wheat osprey]

The way he looked at max like they’ve met

[abstract frigate]

Is the Chapter Quintus leads from the West Coast or from DC since it has the East Coast BOS flag?

[indigo thorn]

I think he gave him a funny look cause he was standing over a dead guy

[cold jetty]

West coast

[wheat osprey]

Oh yeah, that’ll do it 😅

[cold jetty]

Unfortunately the east coast flag is tied to Quintus now. But it’s a non-issue

[wheat osprey]

Just kinda seemed like a nod of recognition

[abstract frigate]

Ah. Shame they are all using t-60 power amor. I know that it would be costly to make the different models of Power armor but I would have liked to see t-51 being used more like in the games

[cold jetty]

However the red and white flag could represent the brotherhood as a whole tho. Quintus is also associated with red and gold

Maybe everyone rocks the red and white

Hoping that’s the case because it looks nice

[indigo thorn]

We saw t-45 in the trailer, although it's a flashback

[abstract frigate]

Also holy crap did the West Coast brotherhood got hit with the stupid stick

[gentle mesa]

Based on some of the merchant for this season, presumably

[violet plover]

NCR-Brotherhood war was apparently quite the brain-drain

[lofty needle]

Yeah the west coast bos has been struggling for decades but cold fusion will make their Marchup against maxson really interesting

[abstract frigate]

Yeah I can easily buy the various Chapters of the West Coast developing into their own...quirks but this...I think was overdone

[lofty needle]

I mean most chapters fled into bunkers on the west significantly isolating them

[shadow jolt]

could be interesting to see the ncr and legion return as apart of the bos

[indigo thorn]

Having a big meeting about uniting to fight a bigger threat, and then watching while our members kill each other

[indigo thorn]

Truly genius

[abstract frigate]

I know that but this feels...a bit much

[viscid fossil]

I doubt it. I doubt they're canonizing the Courier as supporting slavers and rapists.

[violet plover]

I agree, I think they probably just wanted fun bit characters with the elders

[lofty needle]

Na I do agree acc how huge their differences are is kinda crazy given its only been a few decades

[gentle mesa]

The BoS meeting I think leaves room for there to still be other smaller, lesser known BoS chapters out there, ones that dont have the resources or manpower to field an airship or one's that Quintus and the others look down on so weren't invited.

Also no Mojave chapter

[shadow jolt]

my guess is they are with house as house formulates a new plan or new vegas is under heavy guard from the two headed bears and the bulls

[abstract frigate]

Quintus did say dozens of chapters

[indigo thorn]

This is all a big ploy to canonize Fallout Tactics

[lofty needle]

I believe in this. Chapters that are still in bunkers and small probably not worth bringing into the conflict especially since they won't have airships

[cold jetty]

They definitely overdid it. And I see a lot of people criticizing ep 2 for it but it’s definitely just the writers trying to have fun

[lofty needle]

Hell the mojave chapter didnt even have vertiberds anymore

[gentle mesa]

I mean, those animated Vault Tech videos after season 1 essentially describe the calculator and vault 0

[shadow jolt]

the mojave chapter are a bunch of fuck ups

[abstract frigate]

I know but it coming at the cost of no Lost Hills and the Brotherhood (who I do hate) to come across as a bunch of bumpkins

[fleet sand]

feel like mojave chapter did not make it in the show

[shadow jolt]

the head scribe was too busy fucking to make a counter for their base self destructing

and theres so much sabotage and back stabbing

[violet plover]

Tbh while the other elders were a bit silly I think Harkness and Quintus are the only ones of consequence there

[wheat osprey]

Mojave chapter canon dead? 😦

[gentle mesa]

To be fair, neither did the DC chapter till after they defeated the Enclave.

[lofty needle]

I do wonder what the Midwest bos are doing rn just letting everyone else war it out ig lol

[gentle mesa]

Or just still ultra super isolationist

[shadow jolt]

most likely theres remnants but no mojave chapter

[gentle mesa]

Or, absolute ass pull, aligned with the NCR

[abstract frigate]

...honestly that does sound kind of awesome

[wheat osprey]

Rather that then them be dead 😅

[lofty needle]

Do we think the NCR is being saved for season 3?

[violet plover]

I think they just wanted to have fun with how idiosyncratic the BoS chapters can get

[dusk patrol]

My Hidden Valley BOS did align with the NCR - I'm hoping that's what they'll choose to do!

omg what an episode

A BoS Civil War is coming

[lofty needle]

Yeah true that episode had a lot of content in just an hour

[cold jetty]

When #thosepeople wake up and watch ep 2 they are going to rip those two knights playing with a grenade to shreds

[gentle mesa]

People want to freak out over the NCR having power armor (even though heavy troopers are a thing)? Fuck it, the BoS-NCR treaty in FNV is Canon and the Mojave chapter backed the bear after Shady sands got glassed.

[coarse talon]

The ship was sent from the commonwealth to help them in season 1

[lofty needle]

I feel like the point is to show this bos as incompetent

[abstract frigate]

The Mojave Chapter ironically being the closest to what the West Coast BOS should be realizing that their best bet is siding with the NCR

[raw flare]

This would be very interesting

[cold jetty]

It definitely is. Which is why Maximus is constantly babying everyone but they might be overdoing it

[raw flare]

Maybe that’s why the BoS were at shady sands wreckage

[gentle mesa]

Yes. The only faction with the mandate of heaven is the NCR.

[dusk patrol]

When Maxson shows up, it's over

No way West Coast can win

[coarse talon]

Heavy troopers don’t wear actual power armor

[lofty needle]

True it definitely lacks subtly lol

[dusk patrol]

I think the BoS is more in line with how it's presented in Tactics

[lofty needle]

I think seeing NCR in salvaged power armour (which is without the frame) would've been cooler

[gentle mesa]

They do but it's unpowered or they're wearing the armor without the frame?

[coarse grove]

Outcasts were absorbed back into the fold by Elder Maxson before the Commonwealth when he was like 15. So they technically don't exist anymore.

[violet plover]

In hindsight if Maximus is going NCR having the BoS symbol on his armor scratched by a Yao Guai is was foreshadowing

[dusk patrol]

I wonder if we'll see Veronica

[coarse talon]

Both since it’s just the plates from the armor being born by an actual person

[coarse grove]

We don't know he is or isn't. Yet.

[fleet sand]

seeing the BOS meeting make me realize why Maxson reunited with the outcast

[gentle mesa]

If you consider the stuff Bethesda let's Modifius put in the Fallout 2D20 books to be Canon, then the NCR is described as having some working power armor.

[lofty needle]

Its a nice bit of symbolism true

[coarse grove]

Nah the voice actress said she's pretty sad about not being in it cause she did a lot to push for the show to even happen.

[shadow jolt]

tbh I hope we can see some raider power armor

[gentle mesa]

Which I would consider less Canon than tactics

[shadow jolt]

I like the one in nuka cola world where its powered in the bumper cart area

[dusk patrol]

Felicia Day is fantastic, she would be great in the show

[coarse talon]

To be fair they’re Knights not Paladins lol

[violet plover]

The 2d20 rpg is quasi canon, it can be overridden at any point by something higher in status like the show or games

[coarse talon]

But Quintus’s chapter is a joke that’s the point

[coarse grove]

I agree, very sad she wasn't given the chance to come in, or potentially play a different character.

[coarse grove]

We talked about this earlier, but none of the West Coast Chapters have Paladins. 🙂

[fleet sand]

expanding the recruitment pool might be the reason why it a joke

[gentle mesa]

Absolute ass pull: Hank got the nuke from Quintus/the BoS

[fleet sand]

alot of unqualified people in the rank

[coarse grove]

It's something that no one really noticed yet. The have knights, and below, but no Paladins.

[lofty needle]

True

[dusk patrol]

So about Shady Sands, if yall noticed it said "first capital" - I think the NCR's true Capital is somewhere else

[lofty needle]

This is the case yes

[coarse talon]

The codex literally says you can’t harm another brother then the next scene is them fighting each other in a pit

[coarse grove]

Yeah. This is probably the case, but Kimball was in Shady Sands when it got nuked.

[coarse talon]

I mean Quintus doesn’t, we don’t know about the others

[shadow jolt]

ngl hank making it so the nuke triggers when disabled was most likely pushing his 5 int

[gentle mesa]

They're godless savages that should hand in their power armor and pay their taxes to their betters (the NCR).

[coarse talon]

The Yesemite elder is just labeled as Elder while Quintus is Elder Cleric

[gentle mesa]

Have they established that Kimbal was killed in Shady?

[fleet sand]

might be the only positive thing that happen to the NCR on that day

[dusk patrol]

The only thing I can see playing out is the Commonwealth wins, they reconcile, or the West Coast brings in the NCR to defeat the Commonwealth

[indigo thorn]

So Hoover Dam is basically just a big wall now compared to cold fusion

[coarse grove]

Bethesda said he was in an interview iirc.

[lofty needle]

I cant imagine the west coast bos aligning with the ncr

[coarse grove]

Yes, it's presence is irrelevant.

[cold jetty]

Wrap up this vault nonsense if it’s taking time from Max 💔

[shadow jolt]

no its still the largest clean water supply in a literal desert

[light spindle]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter!

[dusk patrol]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter!

[coarse talon]

Nah we can see these West Coast BoS hate the NCR

[light spindle]

RIP shady sands

[dusk patrol]

True

[coarse grove]

East Coast is too big atm. I think the Civil War will be pushed to further draw out the divide between the East and West more. The NCR has no reason to pick a fight with the largest Faction on the east coast, atm.

[coarse talon]

And yeah I was happy to finally see a Paladin with Harkeness

[dusk patrol]

The NCR at least hates the Brotherhood a little less than the Legion

[violet plover]

That's unfortunate, I was liking how Max was this episode. Was a nice progression from s1

[shadow jolt]

the east coast bos they got insitute tech right?

[indigo thorn]

The Republic of Dave will use this opportunity to finally annexx the wasteland

[coarse grove]

Yeah he's the only one we've seen with the official Paladin rank. And he's from the Commonwealth. None of the West Chapters - on their armor, no when addressed, have any Paladins it seems.

[high aspen]

Commonwealth will erase these chapters, though I bet Dane and Maximus will get away before that

[violet plover]

If they do an operation paperclip with what survives of the institute maybe

[gentle mesa]

Very, very unlikely but you can get the NCR and Mojave chapter to play nice in FNV

[fleet sand]

well the institute base got nuke but might be some tech left they can used/learn

[violet plover]

But the institute itself gets blown up

[indigo thorn]

I think the big question is whether or not Maximus gets cold fusion

[coarse grove]

Yeah, it's safe to assume Maxson took the Institute tech and used it to rebolster Boston.

[shadow jolt]

didnt they steal their data before nuking them

[cold jetty]

He does

[high aspen]

Something else that's interesting is that apparently the Commonwealth BOS has become more lenient towards...robots, so synths.

[cold jetty]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

It's funny to me, Interplay/Obsidian were very NCR-heavy, and Bethesda are very BoS-heavy. I'm hoping the NCR gets a chance to shine soon too. But I'm loving all the BoS stuff.

[high aspen]

Danse may be alive

[fleet sand]

oh yeah

[shadow jolt]

like it isnt a streatch that they can rebuild the teleporter

[light spindle]

Oh ghouls

[coarse grove]

Episode 3 and 4 deal with NCR and Legion. We're going to camp Golf with the Ghoul.

[fleet sand]

would be cool if we see commonwealth BOS soldier just teleport into the battlefield

[gentle mesa]

If memory serves it was the BoS that started the war with the NCR. The bear was cool with the BoS having outposts in NCR territory, the BoS wasn't cool with he NCR having such dangerous pre-war technology as Laser rifles or toasters.

[high aspen]

BOS going crazy over one small piece of tech that the Enclave can seemingly produce whenever, leads me to believe the Enclave is still huge

[violet plover]

Forget Cold Fusion I think you'd get infinite power from Roger Maxson spinning in his grave at what's become of the western BoS

[coarse grove]

That tech is implied to create unlimited Fusion Cores in Area 51.

So it explains the chaos around it.

[fleet sand]

what making seperate independent chapters does to the BOS

[high aspen]

No, definitely, it's an amazing piece of technology. I'm just saying it was taken off the Enclave so that probably means they're still as big as ever

[gentle mesa]

Even then, you can find surviving institute scientists into he wasteland after.

[coarse grove]

Blame their lack of cohesive leadership and staying united.

[violet plover]

I think the Enclave had the resources and knowledge but Wilzig is who produced the cold fusion diode

[coarse talon]

?

[tawdry horizon]

I think the whole point of them being goofs was to show how Quintus' Chapter really is

[fleet sand]

enclave defiantly still alive

[dusk patrol]

enclave will always survive

[high aspen]

You know how that guy talks about how the Commonwealth lets him do it with robots?

[tawdry horizon]

For all his talk of a new brotherhood, it's not much better than Raiders/people jerking off

[indigo thorn]

Bos vs Enclave round 3

[coarse grove]

Yeah but consider they are playing possum. Remember Bethesda used 76 to establish a different faction/section of the Enclave. The secret service. Which is the CIA. Expect the Enclave being more shadowy going forward.

[indigo thorn]

Here we go

[gentle mesa]

It really feels like they're showing the BoS as little better than the wasteland savages they look down upon while building up the NCR.

[coarse talon]

That was just Grand Canyon chapter there’s nothing to do with the commonwealth from that

[austere tendon]

Bos and NCR Alliance against Enclave

[coarse talon]

He says beforehand that the commonwealth just leaves his chapter alone

[fleet sand]

Enclave might just be in hiding because of what happen to both coast

[coarse grove]

Mfs really played with a live plasma grenade mid meeting.

[high aspen]

Hmmm

[coarse talon]

But also lol bro was probably diddling the Assaultron

[dusk patrol]

The Minutemen will come to the rescue and defeat all the other factions obviously

[high aspen]

True

[tawdry horizon]

That's the thing, there clearly is no rigid discipline in Quintus' chapter

[cold jetty]

He was in the right

[tawdry horizon]

Like I doubt any East Coast Chapter would allow a cage match

[fleet sand]

what is the chanced of Minuteman and BOS alliance?

[dusk patrol]

I can see it

[coarse talon]

Yeah commonwealth-NCR alliance seems like end goal here imo

[tawdry horizon]

They have no reason to be antagonistic to each other

[high aspen]

Quintus' chapter is not disciplined at all, same with all these other chapters who're seemingly ready to just abandon the Codex.

I'd bet the Commonwealth would just eviscerate them whenever they show up, but that'd be later in the season possibly

[cold jetty]

This

[austere tendon]

that wouldbe prefferred, but i feel like the show wants us to side with quintus not commonwealth

[dusk patrol]

I thought the sexbot talk was an easter egg about the Wang Dang Atomic Tango mission

[light spindle]

Vault 51 or like Area 51

[fleet sand]

would make sense honestly, the BOS can focus on scavenging tech/dealing with big threat while the minuteman deal with the small fry and everyday life

[high aspen]

I don't think so, you can see Maximus growing distasteful of the Brotherhood especially during that cage fight

[dusk patrol]

Good old Fisto

[coarse talon]

Nah cause Harkness sways Maximus away from him based on the articles on his character and the trailers

[coarse grove]

Yeah no of course. That's the point. They are NOTHING like the East. The East are hardened veterans. They fought TWO armies of supermutants, fought the Enclave and stomped them out of DC twice, and conquered DC. Only to come to Boston to battle the Institute and win. Maxson's Brotherhood are hardened fuckers. It's why people fear them. They actually get their shit done.

[gentle mesa]

I mean, the Enclave have lost whatever assets were in Appalachia (unless they re-secured/recovered them after F76), the Oil Rig, Raven Rock, and Adam's Airforce Base. With how many secret government facilities there are in Fallout, it's a safe bet to say the Enclave is still out there. From S1 we know they have at least one base somewhere snowy.

[dusk patrol]

Life in the east is for sure better than life in the west rn

[high aspen]

I like the way they've got the Enclave now, just keep them in the shadows

[coarse grove]

Yeah, but Xander changes his mind, unfortunately that much is confirmed from the interviews.

[austere tendon]

what does it say

[high aspen]

Hmm

[coarse talon]

They also have camaraderie, something sorely missing in Quintus’s chapter 😔

[light spindle]

I wonder if Enclave gave up from purifying everyone

[dusk patrol]

I am interested to see what player decisions they make canon

[coarse grove]

The secret service is still the Enclave. So not all assets are gone.

The Enclace has shifted back to being shadowy with 76's reintroduction to the secret service.

[fleet sand]

fallout 3 have autumn not wanting to kill every wastelander, so a fracture enclave is possible

[high aspen]

Wait, Xander convinces Maximus to stay with Quintus' chapter?

[high aspen]

or with the BOS?

[coarse grove]

From the way the article is written, yeah, or Xander convinces him to reshape the Western chapter of Quintus.

[tawdry horizon]

Was literally just about to say I don't think Quintus' chapter is particularly tested

[gentle mesa]

100% they're building up to them. There's that guy in the shadows that Cooper's wife looks to during the Vault Tech meeting where they talk about dropping the bomb.

We know that the Enclave is behind Vault Tech but the average show viewer who hasn't played the game doesn't

[tawdry horizon]

You see Titus in S1 fail badly against a Yauguai

[coarse grove]

No, they would get DESTROYED again the East. Maxson's chapter is tested several times over.

[light spindle]

Rip enclave remnants

[high aspen]

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah

[errant bobcat]

playing with a plasma grenade during an important meeting does make it seem that way huh

[cold jetty]

Yes Maximus wants to better the brotherhood

[fleet sand]

what have Quintus chapter fought so far?

[high aspen]

In that case, Maximus is growing disillusioned with the current version of the BOS

[coarse grove]

We don't know.

[coarse grove]

Yes, for sure.

[fleet sand]

they only shown massacring town and renemant of the NCR

[high aspen]

NCR remnants

[errant bobcat]

and ghouls

[austere tendon]

uh NCR remmants and civillians in the Observatory

[dusk patrol]

Well the West Coast BoS did fight off Frank Horrigan's Enclave

[coarse grove]

This was it.

[high aspen]

East Coast BOS could probably wipe those remnants with like 3 knights in power armour

[coarse grove]

I promise you 1 veteran from DC who has stood toe to toe against Mutants can slap the T60 off of Quintus's knights.

[indigo thorn]

Maximus plot definitely feels like it is developing the lore way more than anything else

[tawdry horizon]

Yeah I think that's the point they seem little more than frat boys

[coarse grove]

Foundation for Fallout 5.

They confirmed season 3 is dealing directly with Fallout 5

[cold jetty]

Absolutely. Aaron moten said Maximus choices will ripple through the wasteland

[light spindle]

Lol rad scorpions

[high aspen]

setting us up for a 2035 release

💔

[fleet sand]

I don't think fallout 5 is real at this point

[gentle mesa]

That version of the BoS got it'w back broken by the NCR.

[coarse grove]

I would actually argue this show has lit a fire under their ass. Lol we might get it sooner.

[fleet sand]

well ES 6 have to be first

[high aspen]

I'd love another fallout game, hopefully soon

[fleet sand]

and who know when that game is coming out

[tawdry horizon]

Hank going from mice to rich VIPs who saved themselves actually made me more on his side

[coarse grove]

Yeah, but they're probably making both, now. Is what I mean.

[dusk patrol]

I think with them being both owned by Microsoft, they should just let Obsidian do Fallout and Bethesda make TES

[coarse talon]

Right those BoS soldiers talk about fighting deathclaws, these ones can barely handle NCR ramble

[light spindle]

Ghoul invested skill points into explosives

[shadow jolt]

Imagine if at the end the commonwealth come to invade but they suddenly just start teleporting in

[coarse talon]

It’s time for Quintus to be executed

[high aspen]

Wonder how the airship will blow up

[coarse grove]

Sabotage, 100%

[west needle]

wait||THE COURIER WAS MENTIONED?||

[coarse talon]

Bro is obsessed with institute teleportation lol

[coarse grove]

Whoever snitched and told Xander about the meeting.

[high aspen]

Maybe Xander convinces Maximus to do it?

[dusk patrol]

The entire BoS chain of command minus Maxson needs replaced

imo

[gentle mesa]

4-5 year dev cycle isn't unusual and we're still at least 2 years from TES6. They'll probably start proper development of F5 right after TES6 goes gold (late 2028?) so I'd imagine we see something around 2032 or 2033.

[fleet sand]

teleportation is a game changer in battle

[cold jetty]

Keep the Grand Canyon elder

[coarse grove]

No. The Courier was not mentioned.

[west needle]

Maxson needs to be the high elder

[coarse talon]

That definitely seems to be theme, time for Maxson to clean house

[violet plover]

Atom, take all of suffering Max and Lucy have gone though, give it to Hank and triple it.

[gentle mesa]

When/were?

[west needle]

They did say the line tho

[coarse grove]

He's above High Elder.

[west needle]

He’s not yet high elder

[high aspen]

I think maybe they'll just prevent the civil war entirely through Xander

[west needle]

The other elders don’t answer to him

Or have to

[coarse grove]

He's Supreme Commander. He's above them. The council of Elders backs him fully.

[coarse talon]

Well to be fair nothing actually says he high elder but the show makes it clear he’s their superior

[west needle]

Where did they say this?

[coarse grove]

The proctor in fo4 says this, it's on the wiki, too

[cold jetty]

Fallout 4

[dusk patrol]

You see how everyone shut up and stopped what they were doing when a Liason Paladin flew down? Yeah they know they're in trouble LMAO

[gentle mesa]

From what we've seen from trailers, the alliance between Quintus and the other chapters goes to shit and everyone starts shooting eachother.

[high aspen]

Literally lol

[west needle]

Ahh

[violet plover]

At the time of F4 he was defacto high elder.

[high aspen]

Lmao

[coarse talon]

This ep was good food as a BoS fan

[west needle]

Not really

I hated the fight club

[dusk patrol]

Do you guys think the civil war will actually happen or is it just fluff

[high aspen]

True

[coarse grove]

Don't fuck with a Commonwealth paladin, they're built different.

[west needle]

I just want maxson to go ahead and whoop quintus ah

[coarse talon]

Finally some explanation for what these BoS are so trash

[high aspen]

Still fleshed out the BOS storyline

[west needle]

In they games there like a deathclaw but with power armor

[high aspen]

plus the scene with the 3 airships rolling in was pretty cool

[violet plover]

I'm guessing Max takes the Cold Fusion device and they all start blaming eachother

[coarse grove]

yeah, god forbid you get multiple at once. LOL

[coarse grove]

Xander convinces him to do it. 😉

[high aspen]

I could see that

[austere tendon]

and NCR

[dusk patrol]

they turned from science bros into gym bros

[west needle]

I always be siding wit the minutemen because I do NOT have the ammo to deal wit them paladins

[high aspen]

so basically the Commonwealth sabotages the BOS chapters before they actually get a chance to start a civil war, nice

[west needle]

Especially the star paladins

[gentle mesa]

So, is the implication now that the East Coast BoS moved everything to Boston? Because the BoS in F4 was an Expeditionary Force, they brought the bulk of their combat power but all they were still bades out of DC.

[west needle]

Ngl I just wanna know WHERE THE HELL IS HIDDEN VALLEY CHATPER

I wanna see the t51