EPISODE 3

[proud sorrel]

I suppose it's questionable about whether you adhere to the letter or spirit of the codex

Exactly lol

[raven stone]

Yea well as a Black Templar i dont read

[proud sorrel]

I can get behind her brotherhood

[void condor]

Also wasnt caesar succesor supossed to be chosen by a council, that body could be just a proxy

[raven stone]

Wipe that codex like toilet paper

[proud sorrel]

He didn't plan any succession

Joshua told us as much

[visual cedar]

Ah-way, true to Caesar**’s**

[burnt yew]

In nv ncr spy's say that caesar did have a line of sucession

[raven stone]

He def just wanted to have a last “f u”

[void condor]

When he dies in game lanius is chosen by one

[opaque relic]

Yeah, the Samoan Elder is the only BoS Elder in this show that seems kinda reasonable and level-headed

[visual cedar]

That Asian Caesar caught me off guard lmao

[sonic yarrow]

same LMFAO

[proud sorrel]

I thought lanius declared himself and they said went "ok"

[raven stone]

well thats cause Lanius is the strongest and he doesnt rlly give a crap

[proud sorrel]

Rather than choosing him

[supple crypt]

heh I knew the ghoul wouldn't abandon Lucy. Despite her massive fuck up, he still came to rescue her. Also loved that he ignited the legion's civil war big time by lighting their dynamite on fire

[copper ocean]

Still, is it clear whether the Caesar who wrote the note is Sallow or Lanius?

[raven stone]

he will lead his own while respects ceasar

[burnt yew]

Succession in the legion doesnt really matter cause it was only caesar himself who believed in all his pax romana stuff

[shrewd lily]

I could've sworn Boone says something about Ceasar having multiple successors planned

[proud sorrel]

I think Coops Ship of Theseus is a reference to him and the NCR

[visual cedar]

I had to rewind to confirm what I saw

[burnt yew]

This

[sonic yarrow]

the original legion was very much a cult of personality, hence the internal conflict

[raven stone]

that too

ceasar kinda fucked himself

[visual cedar]

Literally?

That’s nasty

[raven stone]

he did have a power fist

[visual cedar]

Aw hell nah

[void condor]

As far as i remember when the player sides whit the legion one of the pretorians says that as much as he would be honored someone choosed lanius as a succesor

[opaque relic]

Wdym? Courier will always be the first person to enter the Lucky 38

There's nothing stopping ppl from getting inside the casino after House is removed tho

[visual cedar]

The legion civil war is kinda goofy tbh

[void condor]

Alsoo where the fuck is lanius

[burnt yew]

Unknown

[raven stone]

arizona maybe

[copper ocean]

Dead, either at Hoover Dam or in whatever succession conflict arose after Sallow biffed it?

[burnt yew]

Maybe died at hoover dam maybe out east who knows

[visual cedar]

Speech 100 got him fucked up

[raven stone]

or hes marching in california rn just idk getting in fights with the NCR

[void condor]

20 years at war because we cant reach caesar's unburied body's pocket to check a note

[shrewd lily]

Probably dead tbh

[supple crypt]

hehe I did like the fact Maximus and Thaddius are back together. And that last line "UH I think I just started a war" Well duh, you did right. First the guy was going to butcher innocent kids and your best friend, and your "Father figure" showed ya he don't give a crap about ya with how he spoke to ya. Ya did right my boy!

[carmine vault]

Yes after house is removed is fine but how else does an assassin get in prior

[visual cedar]

Literally

[carmine vault]

One faction knows the heir

[copper ocean]

Would be funny if Caesar's will just named Graham or Calhoun as his successor.

[visual cedar]

Who

[void condor]

Im pretty sure that that note and body are just something made up by both caesars just to be able to have power

[shrewd lily]

Fantastic is the successor

[jovial viper]

"let's borde all this technology and keep it safe until humanity is ready to properly use it/is ready to be responsible about it! we shall be protecting the future of humanity by doing this!"

damn bro you forgot about the undying sin that destroys everything that man has ever built - has ever tried to achieve: greed

[copper ocean]

Or pulled an Alexander the Great and just said 'to the strongest'.

[visual cedar]

Delete ts before they mute you😭

[supple crypt]

also... that one robot saying house is no longer alive... we see the NCR is pretty much gone, the legion is in the middle of a civil war... And there's so few of them house robots, we saw only 2 of em. Sooo... maybe the lore accurate ending is: the courier kills all the factions? XD

[void condor]

They checks the succesion order, nod to each other and decide to trhow his body in the middle of the dessert to say that there is no way of knowing the succesor

[opaque relic]

Are we talking about the endings? Non-House endings require you to remove him from controlling the system, you can choose not to kill him but he'll still die

[jovial viper]

do they not like brotherhood slander

[copper ocean]

And just ran off immediately after?

[carmine vault]

The one with his corpse

[visual cedar]

They don’t like memes…

[jovial viper]

bruh

[visual cedar]

Mfs muted me 4 times for sending a meme

💔

[carmine vault]

We are talking about if the courier didn’t kill him others would for ncr

[copper ocean]

At this rate, Courier's looking like the most laziest Fallout protag known to man.

[visual cedar]

We need a mention of the courier

[copper ocean]

Assuming they don't try to make Coop the Courier for whatever reason.

[jovial viper]

or Benny wasn't a shit shot

[visual cedar]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Benny was still alive tbh

[shrewd lily]

You cant spare Benny though

[visual cedar]

You can

[weak iris]

why are we talking about benny

[visual cedar]

Don’t do the quest

[supple crypt]

I wouldn't be surprised. Fallout 1, the vault dweller got exiled and headed out into the wasteland. Fallout 2, dunno what that cannon ending is. Fallout 3, that person supposedly is up in space, fallout 4 if the commonwealth brotherhood ending is the lore accurate one then the minutemen general will also be a paladin and probably just focusing on building more settlements. Sooo the courier just saying "Ya know what, none of yall good" and offing them all then wandering off, wouldn't be too surprising to me lol

[copper ocean]

You can if you go pure NCR and just not go into the Tops.

[void condor]

He got the lucky to be alive perk whit almost no faction reputation aparently

[jovial viper]

you can fuck him tho

[visual cedar]

I’d rather not do that

[uneven coral]

BRO WHY DID HE DO THAT

[shrewd lily]

I actually forgot you could do this

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-gif-14141276552966470862

[void condor]

Or is just in big empty preventing the bos to go OoganBooga whit it

[tacit birch]

tbf the ncr being nuked is out of their control

and not killing ceaser is reasonable

[visual cedar]

Should’ve nuked the legion

[copper ocean]

True, but it kinda feels like they accomplished bupkis in the Mojave if fifteen years later it basically looks the same as back then.

[opaque relic]

Depends on this guy

I think it's ok to assume that canon Courier Six didn't kill Eddie Sallow (the original Caesar) for some reason

[uneven coral]

Is it just me or do I think that coopers friend is going to turn up as a ghoul

[tacit birch]

because nothing... nothing ever happens

[visual cedar]

I had the exact same thought

[uneven coral]

They showed us his ring for a reason

[supple crypt]

also Thaddius was genius. Running a shop where they produced nuka cola so he could get rich off fresh caps.

[uneven coral]

Nuka?

[jovial viper]

who would win?

drugged up courier or womp-womp bwain twumur :(

[visual cedar]

If he was a ghoul, they would’ve met at one point. It’s been 200+ years after all

[uneven coral]

Coops being around the whole of America atp

[opaque relic]

It says "I am eternal"

[supple crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-nuka-cola-logo-gif-764060189017117020

[jovial viper]

sunset sasprillia idk how to spell it

[shrewd lily]

Sasparilla

[tacit birch]

I agree the note thing is really fucking stupid 😭

[supple crypt]

oh I thought those were nuka's being farmed

[tacit birch]

as well as caeser not even being buried

[jovial viper]

ty crabman

[void condor]

Bear bull

I do whonder where bear bull is by the way

[visual cedar]

Extremely

[copper ocean]

Even the OG Romans at least gave their Caesar a proper funeral.

[void condor]

Probably having the time of his life whit all the factions almost dead

[proud sorrel]

Was really nice of Anthony House to show his support of veterans

[copper ocean]

Hank copying his whole flow gotta sting, ya gotta admit.

[outer stirrup]

The courier is dog shit. They left their state and whatever faction they sided with in ruins

[proud sorrel]

That man is a saint

[opaque relic]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Pressing_Matters

[copper ocean]

Which then begs the itty bitty question of 'why in the sam heck did we bother playing NV in the first place'?

[burnt yew]

I still cant get over thst nate canonically murdered shaun

[supple crypt]

ah to be fair, I've yet to play NV XD

[shrewd lily]

The friends we made along the way?

[void condor]

Or they just romance each other into a schizo couple

[jovial viper]

yeah you would say that if you were duped into being locked in a vault with no thirty-seven gold bars

[burnt yew]

Even if the ending of the game is set in stone now the illusion of possible endings in nv will whorecer be cherished to me

[copper ocean]

Romancing Hank is a bad idea; last one who did so got an entire city nuked once they tried to make a run for it.

[void condor]

It seems like the fallout series is the afterwards of a lot of weird wasteland, a schizo joke playtrough and a lot of weird ass mods

Incluiding a fisto in the bos one

[prisma steeple]

i love that the NCR is just 2 old people

[copper ocean]

And it honestly makes me want to at least try my hand at fanficcing.

[shrewd lily]

Lucy has done like barely anything in the past 3 episodes, I hope she does more next week

[opaque relic]

Yeah, you still disable him
Moore is actually doing him a favour by sending someone else to finish the job
The half draugr even begs you to give him a quick death

[void condor]

Yeah but ulysses is not particularly sociable

[copper ocean]

Reminds me of the Enclave Remnants, funnily enough.

[jovial viper]

well they were trying to replicate the pre-war government - which was mainly old people

they're sticking to the theme

[jovial viper]

he was also a B IT C H

[copper ocean]

Cue Lucy and co. trying to bring the band back together in regards to the NCR at some point?

[opaque relic]

Wait you're serious?

[spark orchid]

lets get this conversation back on the episode 3 and less about random fallout stuff better suited for #fallout_general

[void condor]

I thoug that profile picture was a garrys mod ranger tbh

[supple crypt]

aye, I am playing the fallouts in order. Already finished fallout 1, working on fallout 2 (Have to restart it cuz I ran into a bug that required an unofficial patch) then I plan to hit fallout 3 then NV

[jovial viper]

and everyone immediately ignores it lmao

[shrewd lily]

Also, Cooper mentions that Shady Sands fell over 20 years ago?

[spark orchid]

@timid echoremoved your post for #rules 3

[void condor]

Il still convinced that there are more legions than those two camps

Same whit ncr

[dusty wagon]

Quintus dies this season for sure

[shrewd lily]

This doesn't make a lot of sense does it

[supple crypt]

also I loved how they did the title this time. WIth a bottle cap

[spark orchid]

of course there is more with both

[void condor]

Still is weird that is literally two dudes in camp golf

[pallid badger]

Hoping caesars legion wipes out the last NCR remnant

[spark orchid]

Is this some lack of object permanence? You don't see it so it must not exist?

[void condor]

Why hasnt it being looted or retaken?

[jovial viper]

i hope both the NCR and the Legion get wiped out

[proud sorrel]

And a banging song

[burnt yew]

i mean the "fall" of shady sands was apparently different to the nuking but ye i agree its a tad weird prhasing

[copper ocean]

Nah, the NCR's been through the wringer enough, they deserve at least one proper W this season.

[carmine vault]

I meant without the courier no one gets to house

[pallid badger]

This version of the legion seems kinder in a way. Like they tolerated the ghoul talking shit, while if you did the same thing as a courier.. well...

Still brutes

[opaque relic]

Oh, in that case you should try the Tale of Two Wastelands mod for New Vegas & Fallout 3

Would highly recommend it

[fading panther]

H O T D O G !

[shrewd lily]

I vaguely remember a discussion about this when season 1 came out and everybody saw that "timeline" in vault 4

[supple crypt]

also when mccully took off that helmet I instantly thought of home alone for some reason

[fading panther]

It’s not like it’s his most iconic role or anything?

[pallid badger]

Slave girl deserved the death btw

[fading panther]

Based

[burnt yew]

lowkey dont know what she thought was gonna happen returning there

[void condor]

Also

Was the centurion pauldron a t45d piece chipped off?

[shrewd lily]

Choose your death i guess

[pallid badger]

Lucy saves her life and in return slave girl almost got her raped and crucified

[fading panther]

Love how Thaddeus is employing child labor

He’s become Chaddeus

22 hour shifts lol

[pallid badger]

On the rear of it right?

[copper ocean]

Maybe this incident with the Legion will be what smacks sense into Lucy?

[opaque relic]

The thing is we're talking about non-House endings, can't have endings without Courier Six

We dunno if the Courier actually betrayed House yet but he's most likely still alive somehow

[void condor]

The one that looks like a power armor arm

But miniaturized

[pallid badger]

I mean like it's chipped on the rear of the pauldron

[jovial viper]

n o

fuck their taxes

[pallid badger]

Hope NCR gets nuked again

By the boomers

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ledance-james-gif-24266964

[pallid badger]

Fuck taxes

[jovial viper]

also just the fact they wanna rebuild the government like it was pre-war, as though the government was of any fucking help beforehand and was totally not corrupted 😭😭

[spark orchid]

yeah, take this to #fallout_general

[jovial viper]

:(

[spark orchid]

this is for episode 3 discussion

[cinder flax]

idk why i keep thinking it'd be a good idea to eat while watching each new fallout ep

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-away-okay-bye-arrested-development-gif-4932456

[cinder flax]

todays one was no different

[void condor]

Well xant take amazon prime screnshoots

It was the scene whit the centurion

[jovial viper]

amazing picture that totally relates to EP3 wowzers

stunning

[void condor]

Its like the one in nv but the the bracer isnniniaturized

[proud sorrel]

Do we know how old maximus is?

[neon drum]

this episode was probably the best one thus far. the pasing was nice too

[proud sorrel]

Is he around Lucy's age?

[jovial viper]

yeah

somewhere in his twenties

[shrewd lily]

20s I think

[proud sorrel]

So I've seen a lot of people saying he's "dumb" but I actually think he's just Young

[supple crypt]

also the vault tec keepsake box... Amazon should market that for reals XD

[proud sorrel]

He clearly has an agreeable moral standpoint compared to his peers, just had sadly been raised by a bunch of dicks

[proud sorrel]

I liked how it seemed cheap and flimsy

[green bear]

Hot dog

[shrewd lily]

Also, Harkness mentions that they might lose the commonwealth without cold fusion, and that it would lead to the end of civilization

[neon drum]

if he was 12 when the bombs dropped on shady sands, then right now he's 31

[shrewd lily]

I wonder if he's lying or they are eluding to a higher threat

[proud sorrel]

I think he was lying to get max on side

[proud sorrel]

Ahh cool thanks 🙂

[opaque relic]

According to Legate Macaulay, the dude she's with was a Legionary, did they try to elope?

[proud sorrel]

So yeah ok maybe a little dumb

[green bear]

Dunno what he could mean, institutes dead

I blew it up!

[supple crypt]

heh what surprised me was coop at that veterans thing, and House was there too. He just had no clue it was House

[outer stirrup]

I think he was Lying to get Maximus on his side

[supple crypt]

also his last words to House was hilarious

[copper ocean]

Minutemen getting rowdy? Enclave popping off again out East? Xander bullcrapping Maximus?

[proud sorrel]

He's not seen Anthony House before

[green bear]

Nooo enclave

[supple crypt]

"Well you definitely aren't a veteran. Because you would not be bringing up politics while another man has his D*** in his hands"

[outer stirrup]

The commonwealth brotherhood did find out about Wilzig

[neon drum]

😂😂

[copper ocean]

Maybe House knows Coop bugged that meeting but has been keeping mum about it for his own reasons?

[cinder flax]

im leaning towards lying, no sugarcoating it the guy was likely trying his damndest to manipulate Max with every tactic in the book

[proud sorrel]

Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't standing with his ear to the door while Quintus was popping off

Also props to the Yosemite Elder for having the sense to know when to leave

Probably off to battle more Yaguai

[green bear]

Who?

[neon drum]

whatt? that was anthony house? i thought the new actor was the real robert house

[copper ocean]

Yosemite's practically having joint custody of the Brotherhood's sole brain cell with Maximus and Dane at this point, I stg.

[green bear]

Damn, I don’t even remember 😆

[spark orchid]

They sent the information about him

[proud sorrel]

I'm doing a bit as I've posted here many times how I'm fully against that fan theory

[spark orchid]

opps, wrong person

[opaque relic]

Plot twist: dude's actually a synth infiltrator who's on a mission to get the mcguffin for the Institute and hopefully cause a BoS civil war

[supple crypt]

I predict episode 4, we will get more Norm scenes. Because he was completely absent from the episode

[burnt yew]

it being anthony house is only a theory, personally i think it is house and the tv house is simply a body double

[proud sorrel]

She seemed pretty smart, like said I don't go in for your religious stuff at the start, then he tries his typical god speech which probably works on his clerics/brotherhood and couldn't read the room

Then gets mad that his Paladin speaks up after he cost the alliance

[pallid badger]

That brotherhood sector looks more like a survivalist/living off the land type

[supple crypt]

in one preview I saw, it looked like Thaddeus and Maximus were running away from the BoS civil war and Maximus was carrying the relic

[proud sorrel]

Which seems way more down to earth

[green bear]

||The NCR is DEAD! 😭||

[pallid badger]

More realistic too

[burnt yew]

yeah he nabs cold fusion

[proud sorrel]

Turns out they aren't even into prewar tech they just like the scenery

[neon drum]

well, anthony house was very jealous of robert house from what we can see in the terminals of fallout new vegas. he's also shown as a very scared of his younger brother, thinking he's out to get him.

[opaque relic]

And they're heading for Vegas

||Also Deathclaw boss fight on the Strip||

[neon drum]

yeah, i think the same

[supple crypt]

Coop: "If a faction that boasts about being so great, ends up failing. Well then maybe they weren't as great as they thought, and deserve to stay in the past"

[burnt yew]

i want more maximus and lucy

[proud sorrel]

Yeah I just don't think Justin is playing Anthony, he's clearly House while Rafi is the double

[pallid badger]

I'm hoping we get to see liberty prime football a nuke into the NCR formation

[burnt yew]

they had a good dynamic

[pallid badger]

Another good dynamic was the legate and Lucy, actually tolerated her bullshit talking and didn't have her killed right away

[copper ocean]

Or House hacking Liberty Prime and turning him on the Brotherhood.

[outer stirrup]

Maximus Won’t meet up with Lucy for quite awhile apparently

[burnt yew]

not even in the finale near the strip?

[pallid badger]

I actually forgot house has access to all that. Plus the photo of him standing at the feet of prime

[outer stirrup]

I think episode 7 and 8

[burnt yew]

gotcha

[opaque relic]

It's time to start the New Commonwealth Republic, I've found the promising settlement for our new capital but we'll need to clear out some mutated mudcrabs, I'll mark the location on your map, GeNeRal

[burnt yew]

surprisingly yes i agree

[outer stirrup]

Maximus does meet up with the ghoul tho

[green bear]

That’s a good idea

[pallid badger]

Nuka world raiders rule my lands.

They are the legion but practical

[burnt yew]

they havent actually met yet have they (other than that one scene right at the start of sesaon 1)

[green bear]

Maximus is in the wrong faction if he doesn’t want to kill sentient ghouls

[rain tartan]

Another cinema episode

[outer stirrup]

Yeah

[rain tartan]

Why we putting a spoiler warning in a spoilers channel

[proud sorrel]

Wasn't it mentioned that in FO4 that the BoS took potshots at Goodneighbour

[green bear]

Idk, just in case

[thin field]

I don't think they mention goodneighbor

[rain tartan]

I mean with how they treat synths it doesn’t surprise me they do genocide against ghouls

[noble owl]

3 at underworld

[proud sorrel]

Obviously killing ghoul children is horrific, but it shouldn't be a surprise as it's a logical endpoint to their views on "abomination"

[proud sorrel]

Ahh yeah that's it

So they have no qualms about killing non-feral sentient ghouls

Kids shouldn't be a surprise exception

[thin field]

Only ghoul kid is billy, and he's a weird case

[copper ocean]

Fellas might as well be diet Enclave, honestly.

[tawdry valley]

Watching the new episode...the Legion (or these two groups of the Legion) have been fighting over a patch of dirt for 15 years
I love the idea of a “Legion civil war” in theory but the show seem adamant on an “Idiocracy” style version of the Post-War world

[noble owl]

obviously danse is less of a ghoull bigot than others but he does actively compliment the ghouls you encounter trying to make a better life for themselves

[rain tartan]

I mean with the end of Lyons pride it might as well be

[noble owl]

and likes it when you rescue billy from his fridge

[burnt yew]

i do think theyre building up to this

[tawdry valley]

I recall him mentioning of him wanting to just kill the Vault Tec salesman

[noble owl]

might just be because he knows of the vaults

but partly inconsistency

when i took him into a vault he made a comment about the experiments

[rain tartan]

I mean most people who know of vault tecs bullshit would want to do the same

[tawdry valley]

Ehh. But it was not for that Danse stated though

[green bear]

He was just it for a pack of steak knives

[copper ocean]

One step into most any Vault will make anyone want to beat everyone associated with Vault-Tec senseless.

[proud sorrel]

If the Enclave didn't have the only pure humans without radiation are worth saving, I wonder if the BoS Chapters would ever consider joining them

[tawdry valley]

That is reasonable

[noble owl]

danse hates it if you kill anyone without provocation so id honestly take that as a inconsistency which is against his core

[tawdry valley]

I can see that

[noble owl]

tho if you steal and then get fired on hes instantly firing on you so

who knows

[proud sorrel]

Does he hate it because Synth or because BoS

[noble owl]

like theres been 1 instance before i met him where they didnt just take the item back, every single time ive tried it with danse present they always instantly start blasting over a damn cigar

[opaque relic]

Scares me to think what might've happened to the Underworld

Back when the Lyons were still in charge, they actually had no issue with making deals with non-feral ghouls, like selling pure water

[rain tartan]

Oh they are 100% dead if the commonwealth BOS made its way back to the CW after the unification

[proud sorrel]

They weren't even suppose to sell it

They were supposed to be giving it freely

Following how Owens wanted

[pallid badger]

I feel like getting rid of ghouls is stupid, lots are pre war and therefore are the last generation to have proper education, were alive when society was not filled with raiders and mutants, ect

Lots of knowledge to learn

[proud sorrel]

BoS don't care about educating or learning

[visual cedar]

Is this the last time we’ll see the legion?

[rain tartan]

Yes but that requires logic, something the enclave and BOS clearly lack

[proud sorrel]

They care about specificity hoarding military grade technology

[noble owl]

some CHAPTERS dont is the key distinguishing factor

[outer stirrup]

Ghouls don’t do shit.

They have 200+ years old knowledge and still be broke and useless to the wasteland

[proud sorrel]

I can't remember what game it's mentioned in, but isn't it stated that they specifically gloss over none military tech

[noble owl]

some do actively take it in to properly catelogue and then help normal peeps with safe tech and give it back

[hearty ether]

no theyll come back, just like the ncr

[pallid badger]

And if anything, the ghouls would be the ones claiming technology and the pre war leaders caused the downfall .the same thing the brotherhood thinks.

[green bear]

2 caesars

[pallid badger]

Kinda hard to do shit when most communities shoot on sight

[proud sorrel]

If I got turned into a Ghoul and they brought me a Challenger Tank, I would be useless too

[copper ocean]

Though isn't there the itty bitty problem of Ghouls becoming feral if they don't have this magic serum?

[green bear]

Ghoul juice

[rain tartan]

Man being a ghoul child must suck

[opaque relic]

It's not supposed to be entirely selfish according to the scribe

"I use the caps and tech he (ghoul con-artist "merchant") pays me to fund the other water deliveries."

[proud sorrel]

I don't think it's ever conclusively stated what makes a ghoul go Feral

[pallid badger]

I'm wondering if it's for the ghouls that have already started becoming feral due to other factors

[proud sorrel]

We have examples of people even turning themselves into Ghouls Pre War

Which is interesting that they knew this was a possibility

[molten hamlet]

Lyons didn’t know about that, the ghouls weren’t suppose to get water

[outer stirrup]

While us Smoothskins were stuck in caves and vaults. Ghouls had a head start to rebuild and collect anything of value.

[proud sorrel]

Ahh ok

[rain tartan]

Most cases it’s the ghoul losing their humanity, usually via lack of purpose

[proud sorrel]

Dark Souls rules

[pallid badger]

I do have a theory that all ghouls will turn feral, but the combination of being alone, forced to do horrible things, will turn a normal human insane

Will also turn a ghoul feral faster

[opaque relic]

You mean before Fallout 4?

[proud sorrel]

The longest lived ghouls we've seen are Desmond Lockhart and Eddie Winters

Both had plans about what goals they were going to/wanted to achieve

[green bear]

I’d like to turn into a ghoul

[proud sorrel]

Which I think lends credence to the must have something to be aiming for to stave off becoming feral

I think it might also be radiation dosage over time, highly concentrated radiation over a short time seems to turn you feral (like we see in Searchlight)

[opaque relic]

Somehow Eddie didn't go feral despite the fact he's been living in that bunker the entire time

No need for serum I guess

[pallid badger]

Sounds cool in theory, but your body parts falling off, not being able to integrate in a normal society, and smelling like ass , is a horrible deal for immunity to radiation

[green bear]

The ghoul juice thing is new

[proud sorrel]

Again we don't know if the serum is a coop thing, or just something that helps

[green bear]

True

[proud sorrel]

I also feel like you're in constant pain

[rain tartan]

I mean immunity from dying of old age is a plus

[green bear]

Unless you randomly go feral
Which is what it seems like

[proud sorrel]

Which I've always seen as dementia for Ghouls

[tame steppe]

Wait, is Xander dead or just knocked out?

[proud sorrel]

100% dead

His head was caved in by a super sledge

[tame steppe]

I thought the interviews talked about how he'd help shape Maximus and the way he reforms the BOS or something

[rain tartan]

We also see the Vault 88 overseer be isolated for 200 years but hasn’t gone feral due to her hardcore devotion to vault TEC

[outer stirrup]

That’s what they said

[proud sorrel]

Arguably he's done that

[rain tartan]

Well he certainly did that lol

[tame steppe]

Actually true

[shrewd lily]

For your overwhelmingly monstrous behavior, you have become vilified by the commonwealth

[green bear]

Huh!?

[opaque relic]

It's originally a Fallout 76 thing
Now it applies to the entire West Coast for some reason, you see a lot of ghouls going feral without this particular serum

[green bear]

What is this ghoul serum thing

[proud sorrel]

Ooh cool you know I only played F76 when there were no NPCs

And gave up on it

[green bear]

Ghouls are vampires now

[opaque relic]

I don't really play it either
Found out about it on wiki

[pallid badger]

The NCR remnants look stupid tbh, almost like they are insane now

[proud sorrel]

I think they seem desperate

And clearly the oldest one has either dementia or PTSD

[tall oak]

Maximus is literally us

[proud sorrel]

They've basically been turned into a raider tribe

[sturdy sigil]

ngl was hoping for way more legion stuff

we barely got any

[tame steppe]

Wonder if the Commonwealth will respond to one of their paladins being killed this season

[shrewd lily]

I hope we see more of them in future episodes

[burnt yew]

theres more in future episodes

[proud sorrel]

We see an airship going down

[sturdy sigil]

unlikely, since they seem to be murdering each other

also what did the ghoul tell them?

[copper ocean]

Could be inter-West Coast squabbling.

[outer stirrup]

||Episode 7 and maybe 8. We have yet to see macaulay wear the wreath. ||

[sturdy sigil]

that the ncr were in the other camp?

[opaque relic]

||Macaulay will win the legion civil war||

[mortal heath]

Dumb bitch you wasted a stimpak!!

[burnt yew]

yes but then he blows up the wall to save them

[sturdy sigil]

I mean that assumes that everything in the trailer will be in the show, which isn't always the case

[copper ocean]

||Ave, true to Kevin.||

[tame steppe]

Oh yeah actually, Dane does say something along the lines of "The Commonwealth are coming to kill us all"

[heavy wing]

Alright im finished the episode
WOW
How did they even made a better episode than the last one

[sturdy sigil]

?

[sturdy sigil]

eh wasn't a fan of it tbh, I wanted more legion stuff, and more house stuff

[hearty ether]

tahts what i keep asking myself since ep 5 of the 1st season

[sturdy sigil]

also why did Maximus want to murder that commonwealth guy lmao

[proud sorrel]

So I think I'm ready to say it, I think I'd put this up there with Andor for just a good sci-fi show

[burnt yew]

the gohul tells the legion the location of the ncr camp to save lucy but as he leaves we see him eyeball the explosives which then go off as he talks about how stupid this is - he blows up the wall, instigating the legion civil war to save those ncr people

[proud sorrel]

Whether you like Fallout or not, I think this show is just good

[sturdy sigil]

ohhh ok

[opaque relic]

Cooper is low-key pro-NCR despite doing a chaotic neutral run for 200+ years

[outer stirrup]

He was going to kill the ghoul children

[burnt yew]

the legion cant go after the ncr with the wall blown open and both sides now attacking eachother

[outer stirrup]

Oh

[sturdy sigil]

I meant before when talking to his elder

[heavy wing]

To be fair
The NCR are decent folks
The legion however dont earn their respect

[proud sorrel]

Oh because he's loyal to his chapter

[sturdy sigil]

I mean the show seems to be pro ncr, calling them "the good guys"lmao

[sturdy sigil]

so loyal he went off with the commonwealth guy to just hang out?

[white narwhal]

NCR rangers is insane
Legion at civil war
BoS of Boston kill children
BoS of the West Coast is just religious degenerates
Novac is abandoned
Khans turned into common raiders

The show's creators remind me of the White Legs, who copied Ulysses' hairstyle.

They use images, names, and places that are familiar to us, but they don't understand their value and meaning.

[proud sorrel]

After he was insulted by his pseudo father figure

[heavy wing]

Maximus did not approved of killing children, even though they are ghouls
To be fair, that perfectly fine

[proud sorrel]

And been shown to be nothing more to Quintus than a Tool

[burnt yew]

i think it was just in his mind a solution to quintus' problems just kill the commonwealth guy if youre gonna go to war with them anyway (but as quintus says this is a bad idea because it will make the other chapters lose faith in a rebellion)

[noble owl]

legion in a civil war is literally a vegas thing

[sturdy sigil]

I don't understand character writing

[outer stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[noble owl]

multiple people comment about how if ceaser goes the legion devolves into infighting or just dies

its literally how the roman empire died

[rain tartan]

But it could also be used as a caucus belli, the commonwealth BOS want to kill ghoul children, we must go to war.

[heavy wing]

It straight up is true though
The game made it very clear, without caesar, the legion is doomed to fail

[tall oak]

After several years since the end of New Vegas, it's normal for this to happen.

[sturdy sigil]

and they get on because they are both solders who solve problems with violence, ohhh I get it

[noble owl]

im starting to think people both havnt watched the show or played vegas

[rain tartan]

Most haters of the show haven’t

[tall oak]

Brothers of Steel hates ghouls, all ghouls.

[heavy wing]

what seems to happen?

[sturdy sigil]

infighting, just as Joshua Graham predicte

[tall oak]

They don't kill children, they kill ghouls.

[pallid badger]

Max's chapter atleast doesn't shoot coop on sight

[sturdy sigil]

*execpt the ones the sole survior/lone wander bring along

[noble owl]

the ncr rangers were alone, in a bleak wasteland . with no real hope in sight. theres nothign to suggest their insane in the show. the dude might be a bit nutty but weve literally met 2 ncr people

[burnt yew]

including ghoul children

[white narwhal]

The accumulation effect is at work here.
The Legion is one of the factions depicted as being in decline.

I don't mind Legion being at war but... they're fucking up EVERYTHING

I don't understand why

[heavy wing]

And the captain doesnt scream to me as someone insane, she just despertate for reinforcements

[tall oak]

Max is the protagonist, so he wouldn't do that.

[burnt yew]

because war... war never changes

[noble owl]

ok but all of your pouints barring the last arent true

like its not even opinion they just straight up arent true

[shrewd lily]

War tends to not differ

[white narwhal]

peak writing

[noble owl]

war actually does change all the time

its the people in charge that dont

[proud sorrel]

Max has been raised after the brotherhood rescued him in a very religious chapter, we don't see what that looks like specifically but we are told this his chapter is abnormally religious.

They are lead by an Elder Cleric, rather than a Scribe or Paladin, and Quintus over season 1 confided and seemed to groom Max (not in a sex way) to be his tool, his paladin.

We see Max conflicted in his Brotherhood ideas, and has looked to the Elder Cleric for guidance (ie during the fight to see whether he would stop it).

Now we see him having to kill a fellow brother for practically nothing, and so Max sees this as a way to protect his chapter. Quintus just gave a speech about how if you're on God's side your righteous and will be victorious.

We then see Quintus dismiss him as a "dim sword" or an idiot, showing that Quintus' doesn't really believe all this righteous god stuff it was just to get the Yosemite Elder on site

[noble owl]

thats not as good a slogan tho

[heavy wing]

You do know what war never changes mean right?

[white narwhal]

nah

[noble owl]

yah

[white narwhal]

the essence of war never changes

[noble owl]

yeah but they dont say the essense of war never changes do they >:)

[heavy wing]

War never changes mean the causes and the effect of it remains the same thing
Warfare changed
War never changed

[white narwhal]

The methods of warfare are changing, yes. But what difference does it make whether they kill with swords or tanks, if they are fighting for the same goals?

[heavy wing]

At the end of the day
There is no such things as a good war because at the end of the day, everyone suffered during war

[burnt yew]

war never changes but the people writing them do

[shrewd lily]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-prowler-meme-prowler-stare-meme-gif-6137058116832105601

[white narwhal]

Yeah because...

because war never changes

[tall oak]

Brothers of Steel kills ghoul children, Nate saves a ghoul child and lives peacefully with ghouls and synths.

[tall oak]

What could have happened to Nate or the Minutemen?

[noble owl]

why are people suddenly up in arms about a totally normal bos thing

[viral pasture]

could've sworn the brotherhood only killed feral ghouls

[noble owl]

sure they usually dont kill them on sight in boston, but they do literally every other game

[proud sorrel]

Xander then turns up and says "Look we do all the hard work, why aren't we calling the shots? We bleed for the brotherhood, we do all the hard work, why aren't we in charge here?'

He then invites Max to come with him on a buddy trip to show him what a true Brotherhood looks like.

The unfortunate reality is that brotherhood dogma extends to the elimination of all Abominations, even Children, and to Max this is another blow to his perception (which is already wavering within his West Coast viewpoint) that the Brotherhood aren't protectors of the weak and the wasteland

[white narwhal]

it's 50\50 thing

[proud sorrel]

Sorry for the very long posts

[white narwhal]

they absolutely hate ferals

[proud sorrel]

This is how I view what Max has been going through

[noble owl]

boston bos segregate ghouls.

they might not instantly kill them, but they dont treat them like people

[heavy wing]

No
They all hate ghouls
But its different because some will shoot all at sight while other wont tolerate it

[white narwhal]

in F3 ghould guardian says that BoS shoot at them but misses on purpose

[viral pasture]

what do you mean "practically nothing"

[white narwhal]

in F4 BoS members talk about killing ferals

[proud sorrel]

The pointless pit fight

[versed ibex]

oof. i figured xander bled brotherhood but i didnt think he'd be so enthusiastic about killing children

[white narwhal]

which is weird considering that they're people but ugly

[proud sorrel]

At the end of Episode 2

[viral pasture]

Oh, that was episode 2 though

[noble owl]

if vault city had their way in 2 every ghoul would be dead. its not even just the bos

[viral pasture]

He had a knife

[proud sorrel]

Yeah but you can see how it links into the wider max story

[heavy wing]

No xander is basically what the BoS is
They kill ghouls

[proud sorrel]

But the fight could have been ended by the elders as soon as that guy pulled a blade

No one needed to actually die

[noble owl]

hes jsut the logical extreme of the 4 chapters dogma

[viral pasture]

oh yeah

[versed ibex]

i know, kumail just played xander so likeably i forgot

[noble owl]

yeah but hed look weak

[hearty ether]

lucy is my least favorite character in this show

[noble owl]

idk why people arent getting that. hes trying to show force

[heavy wing]

Cant blame ya
I was actually sad that he died

[viral pasture]

what

[proud sorrel]

The elders wouldn't look weak

[white narwhal]

yeah but vault city isn't example of a good faction

[hearty ether]

i mean can she for just one second not be a moron

[noble owl]

the chapter would

[white narwhal]

morally good*

[versed ibex]

also, sucks that the backup armor in xander's vertibird wasnt the black and orange of the paladin armor from 4

[heavy wing]

Here a better correction
Lucy is your least favourite because she makes TOO MANY GODDAMN MISTAKES AND BRAINDEAD LOGIC

[hearty ether]

'do i save the woman who cant help me at all? or do i save the guy whos saved my life....what 10 times now?"

[noble owl]

also he pretty clearly doesnt care about maximus beyond what power he can get him

[versed ibex]

and also, what the hell is going on in the commonwealth that the chapter is close to losing control???

[viral pasture]

To me it sounded like bullshit to try to get him to join

[heavy wing]

Well...
Good question actually
The hell is going on over there?

[proud sorrel]

Yeah exactly

[versed ibex]

also, its funny and also very fitting that the legion is stupid enough to fight a civil war within two feet of eachother over a note on a rotting corpse

[noble owl]

it sbeen established that quintus's chapter is a bunch of technorelgious dumbasses with a muddled creation story . we know that. so the fight isnt that outlandish. it wasnt to the death til the knjife was pulled. the pa guy was knocked out

[proud sorrel]

I think it's even clear Quintus doesn't actually believe in the dogma he preaches

[versed ibex]

and thank god coop blew up that dynamite

[white narwhal]

I have a better question

why it's Commonwealth chapter?

[opaque relic]

Judging by the fact that all the other chapters are all scared of Maxson's chapter (they all have blimps btw)

It's gotta be some Enclave level threat

[heavy wing]

Yes
Kill the legion
They dont earn anyone respect

[viral pasture]

I hope it isn't the enclave

[white narwhal]

it's Capital Wasteland chapter

[heavy wing]

I am actually confused on this
Why specifically commonwealth chapter?
Isnt it the same chapter as the capital wasteland?

[shrewd lily]

The republic of Dave is finally taking action

[white narwhal]

seems like writers played Fallout 4

[noble owl]

theyve likely expanded and encompassed a lot of chapters

[white narwhal]

and just Fallout 4

[versed ibex]

well, the major center of power has moved with the reconstruction of liberty prime in the commonwealth. i can believe that they call it that now just bc a bulk of their forces are now just There

also, yeah i can believe its bc 4 stuff is more recognizable to the average viewer then 3

[heavy wing]

Hmm
True but capital wasteland has project purity
That is not something you wanna ignore
It also contain adam force base where it makes its prydwen

[noble owl]

prior to us meeting danse it was only like a few recon teams in the commonwealth. post us helping theres an actual armys worth of people

[white narwhal]

Greasers will save Mojave from Republic of Dave

[viral pasture]

Atom Cats rule

[noble owl]

they left a load of people in washington. so purity is fine

[versed ibex]

it probably is just the enclave again, honestly

[noble owl]

enclaves gone. raiders and sm are the only real threat left which should be easy for the bos

[viral pasture]

The threat taking down the commonwealth BOS is actually the atom cats trying to liberate the power armor from the square brotherhood

[proud sorrel]

I just wanna see which goon is heading up the presidency now

[heavy wing]

Honestly
That a better answer than idk
Super mutant problem, sudden rise of deathclaws, etc

[proud sorrel]

Probably the postmaster general of New York State

[viral pasture]

Minutemens artillery?

[versed ibex]

now thatd be a funny answer

[opaque relic]

Nate the Rake has an automatron army (imagine hundreds of modified assaultrons)

Yeah, I can see why they might lose

[noble owl]

knowing the enclave its probably headed by a damn talking dog rn

[white narwhal]

I want to see Ulysses in one of the episodes preaching about fall of The Bear and The Bull

bear bull bear bull

[versed ibex]

they need cold fusion because they're being blown to high hell by a couple of farmers with laser muskets and 18th century artillery

can't even get near their 'castle' bc they keep shelling us to death

[noble owl]

they hate mutated humans so much but they keep insisting on making and controlling mutated animals

[proud sorrel]

Don't tread on me

[viral pasture]

This is how your perception of Ulysses changes if you have no media literacy and skip all dialogue

[white narwhal]

and all of those assaultrons is in Nates harem

[heavy wing]

But it is just bear and bull
He keep saying it way too much

[white narwhal]

I hope you're not serious

[noble owl]

yeah because the bear and the bull. whats the problem

[spark orchid]

Seeing too much shitposting and general dicussion and not enough about episode 3.

[heavy wing]

So anyways
I like the fact that episode 3 showcase victor and indicated that the courier did indeed deliver the package

[rain tartan]

What if after the BOS Civil war, Lyons Pride rises from the ashes 🙏

[white narwhal]

how so?

[versed ibex]

okay yeah, so caesar confirmed dead but how? if it was the brain cancer why is he on top of the battlefield line?

[viral pasture]

Upgraded Securitron

[heavy wing]

I just like it, thats all

[noble owl]

if the commonwealth bos actually is in trouble that basically means either the institute wasnt wiped out , or preston got off his ass and actually did something.

[heavy wing]

Its a nice background detail that anyone who played new vegas would like

[noble owl]

so we can assume its not the latter

[rain tartan]

Or a completely new threat

[white narwhal]

yeah but Martol mentioned Victor

[viral pasture]

I think it's strange that the Securitron mk2 didn't use its laser gun on the power armor peoples but I guess they wanted a sick epic scene

[versed ibex]

people are already losing their heads over what this show is doing with existing lore

[outer stirrup]

Or a lie to get Maximus on his side

[molten hamlet]

They have literally never killed a sentient ghoul in any of the games

[versed ibex]

could you imagine the outrage if we got a show original threat

[rain tartan]

It looked pretty damaged though

[noble owl]

im just gonna ignore that ping

[shrewd lily]

Enclave vs Brotherhood round 3 baby here we go

[rain tartan]

It’s only a matter of time. The way they treat synths, with the institute wiped out, it only makes sense they move onto ghouls

[viral pasture]

Just looked like the paint was stripping away not something with the guns

[heavy wing]

To be fair
If the commonwealth chapter is struggling
Then i am geniuely confused on what the hell they are facing
Xander is stating that they are losing something, but the heck is making them suffer when they have more firepower than the pre-war USA

[versed ibex]

i hope its the institute and that the war didn't go as planned and they still are fighting eachother. despite the horrible writing, i really loved the aesthetics of the institute

[rain tartan]

It’s screen was glitching which I took to mean it was malfunctioning in some way

[viral pasture]

Perchance

[white narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

tf you mean more firepower than pre-war US?

[viral pasture]

they have more firepower than post-war US :D

[molten hamlet]

I mean not really, the institute doesn’t change things there. It’s just the show lacking nuance here as systematically hating sentient ghouls while purging ferals is more complicated than just saying they kill all ghouls

[noble owl]

we dont see dead kids either that doesnt mean there arent a metric tonne of kid sized skeletons in reality. every game barring 4 implies they see no problem with killing non ferals they just dont actively make a campaign of it in most of them. 3 literally tells us the lyons led chapter fires at any ghoull leaving the underworld. you can pretty easily infer that means they will kill them

[burnt yew]

i interpreted it as more of a decline rather than an actual opponent - like they had energy troubles or something

[white narwhal]

they have more firepower than Followers of the Apocalypse for sure

[trail sentinel]

@copper ocean and @dense pebble are we taking the hopium dose or are we taking cyanide?
Idk but to me this seems like it is building up to a big ass NCR comeback

[viral pasture]

It's almost like the followers arent a militia and actually help and educate people

[shrewd lily]

Idk, Arcades plasma gun does a lot of damage

[burnt yew]

even in 4 danse will advocate for killing them cause theyre abomination

[versed ibex]

i cant tell if that NCR woman was delusional or not

[noble owl]

hopium more likely

[viral pasture]

Vietnamese soldier keeps fighting 50 years after war

[white narwhal]

but they don't kill ghouls from the Underworld

[molten hamlet]

They take pot shots that they intentionally miss while on an active battlefield. That bigotry but not murder

[rain tartan]

It doesn’t take much for bigotry to lead to murder

[noble owl]

was gonna say lol

[molten hamlet]

He doesn’t he chastises you if you shit on the Slog or Billy

He just hates vault tech

[white narwhal]

wait FOR REAL?!

[noble owl]

like we have millenia of this exact comment showing why its dangerous

[trail sentinel]

Where are the Legion camps even stationed
That dosen't seem like the Fort

[burnt yew]

i mean i think we can ifner that its just a natural progression now: where once it was more jsut they didnt like them now that theyve secured alot of east coast territory they are acting on the codex and interpret non ferals as abominations that need killing

[opaque relic]

I hope Arcade will come back, they should ask Zachary Levi if he's interested in the role ASAP

[versed ibex]

also. like. they would. it doesnt happen in game yeah but the brotherhood probably would clear out a place like the slog with firepower if needed

[rain tartan]

And the institute does change things. With them gone and synths being out of production, it gives the BOS to focus on ghouls

[noble owl]

its also entirely likely harkness is jsut especially bigoted where danse and others arent

[trail sentinel]

Or is it actually supposed to be Fortification Hill

[versed ibex]

yeah i dont think zachary levi is coming back to this franchise any time soon

[noble owl]

the bos is not a monolith. as much as they try

[molten hamlet]

I agree but the BoS does not have a systematic campaign against normal ghouls. It’s down to individual hate that’s common to all the wasteland

[tawdry valley]

I feel like I am going insane. Did the Ghoul actually mentioned Shady Sands being nuked OVER 20 years ago

[burnt yew]

yeah but now in the tv show they say killing non ferals is part of the codex

[versed ibex]

nah that cant be fortification hill

[noble owl]

hes been established to just make up rough timelines lol

[shrewd lily]

We do see a Boston squire feeding Feral Ghouls

[rain tartan]

The fall of shady sands is the not the same thing as the nuking of shady sands

[shrewd lily]

I think a lot of it is up to the individual

[noble owl]

he says killing mutants and abominations is part of the codex

[pallid badger]

That said person also gets imprisoned

[molten hamlet]

Let’s be real they retconned all their own dates

[rain tartan]

And like it’s said, the codex is always up for interpretation

[noble owl]

if you consider all ghouls as abominations then yeah its game on

[cedar lotus]

What a good day to be a fallout fan

[versed ibex]

that guy actually turned because he saw the brutality of the bos against the ferals at the airport and extended that in his mind to non-feral ghouls

[burnt yew]

yeah the fall of shady sands is different to the nuking of shady sands

[noble owl]

every single chapter is different and all think they have the right outlook and traditions

none are right

[trail sentinel]

Well then what could it be?

[burnt yew]

could just be somewhere else

[tawdry valley]

We see Shady Sands perfectly fine right before its nuking. Fell in this context clearly means destroyed

[molten hamlet]

Then got his Fellow knight killed by letting them spread

[rain tartan]

People also never mention how pretty genocidal Maxon was against synths. If he’s willing to do that to synths, it’s not a stretch to assume he’d put the focus on Ghouls once synths were out of the way

[versed ibex]

and he would.

[burnt yew]

this is a good point the phrasing is weird but shady sands wasnt perfectly fine before its nuking they point out food rationing and water shortages etc which is probably because of whatever this "fall" is

[versed ibex]

idk why thats in question

he absolutely would

[outer stirrup]

More proof Arthur Maxson is the true successor to Roger

[versed ibex]

the only reason they dont kill hancock on sight when you're around the prydwen is because they know he's with you

[outer stirrup]

That explains the shoot on sight in FO76

[tawdry valley]

And we are sure of this? We see that the people seem happy enough. The Fall of Shady Sands meaning the nuke seems more easy to connect to

[trail sentinel]

This would imply Shady Sands was somehow very well already a crater by the time of New Vegas

[tawdry valley]

Shady Sands was still clearly up and running and the people were happy

[burnt yew]

no on twitter the showrunners explicitly confirm that the two events are different and the dialogue in the shady sands flashbac does talk of food rationing and water shortages

[molten hamlet]

It took them years to even clear out the super mutants out of the commonwealth. That’s not a straight forward track when Maxson always prioritizes threats to humanity first

[rain tartan]

It’s been state that the fall and nuking are not the same thing

[molten hamlet]

Bos members literally go to underworld off duty

[rain tartan]

And it would be very easy to convince people that non feral ghouls are a threat simply because of the chance to become feral

[proud sorrel]

"Without cold fusion the commonwealth will fall into chaos"

"Yeah they give me 2 power armours, it's no biggy because we're so cool"

[versed ibex]

that was lyons brotherhood

[rain tartan]

This is Lyons pride

[tawdry valley]

But how that does that a city fall? So many times in history, cities had to do food rationing but it was never mentioned to be a Fall. Wouldn't Decline be more appropriate

[burnt yew]

after season 1 released where they revealed shady sands had been nuked but included a date before NV they had to clarify that the date before NV was the "fall" of shady sands and the nuking happened after nv

[versed ibex]

maxson's got them in a fanantical frenzy

[molten hamlet]

My bad I meant Goodneigbor

[tawdry valley]

Yet it doesnt help the Ghoul mentioned Shady Sands falling 20 years ago

[burnt yew]

well we just dont know what the fall is yet

[silver adder]

hey the legion are still a thing so does that immediately disprove the blowing up legion ending of lonesome road

[rain tartan]

Yeah most cities didn’t have to deal with a radiated wasteland and creatures that are on Australian steroids

[versed ibex]

bos members show up in goodneighbour?

[rain tartan]

Leading into a Nuke

[burnt yew]

fallout tv show is set in 2296

[tawdry valley]

God I just wish the writers can be more clear on this

[versed ibex]

i mean, dry wells blowing up has nothing to do with the greater legion, it just sucks for them

[burnt yew]

nv is set in 2281

[molten hamlet]

Which he wouldn’t do when there’s still countless raider, mutant and ferals the brotherhood is actively fighting. The whole point of Maxson is that he seeks out threats to the wasteland

[burnt yew]

they kind of messed it up in delivery but yeah they clarified what they intended on twitter

[versed ibex]

i cant imagine them canonizing either ending of lonesome road where either gets nuked. feels too against this 'fog of war' thing they got going on

[tawdry valley]

I am aware. I am just trying to make sense of this. I was fine with it being set 2283 but the Ghoul saying that threw me in for a loop

[rain tartan]

Ok and it’s still entirely possible for a “don’t actively seek out ghouls but if you come across them, do some war crimes” policy

[burnt yew]

no i do completely agree with you it would make a million times more sense if he was refering to the nuking with that battaleon east of SS, but its just he cant really be doing that cause then it would make 0 sense timeline wise

[trail sentinel]

Is this still being their intention btw
I feel like that's going to falling apart once each faction is developed during the season

[versed ibex]

i mean it seems to be working so far

[molten hamlet]

But there’s no proof for it yet.

[opaque relic]

I thought they fixed this timeline issue but Cooper's lines didn't change for some reason

[versed ibex]

it looks like the only ending thats plausible from what we've seen is a yes-man ending

[rain tartan]

That’s what inference is for

[burnt yew]

again i think its just that cooper is referring to the fall and not the nuking - we dont know what the fall of shady sands is yet

[tawdry valley]

For me it feels like the Courier just never woke up and this is a version of the Mojave without their influence

[rain tartan]

And how we can explain why things are happening

[opaque relic]

Falling to what, BOS?

[tawdry valley]

Fall of Shady Sands on its own just makes it sound like the city had fallen. As in its no more.

[versed ibex]

the legion are locked in a civil war bc caesar is dead, lanius is nowhere to be found. the NCR is in shambles in the mojave, etc etc.

[molten hamlet]

And I infer it’s his individual interpretation of the codex

[burnt yew]

i agree it would make sense to be that be then we know the nuking takes place years after 2277 which is when the fall happens

[rain tartan]

Which can also be true. The argument people are having is “BOS doesn’t actively kill non feral ghouls.”

[burnt yew]

no clue but prob not cause we see shady sands after the fall and its thoroughly ncr controlled

[versed ibex]

wouldnt that be some shit

[opaque relic]

I think another thing they mentioned was the "famine" in the vault 33, which also took place in 2277

[tawdry valley]

For me. I think the show originally went with the idea that Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 but when people pointed out the clear flaws in that they had to clarify it and retcon it

[versed ibex]

benny just took too much brain matter with that gun of his

[burnt yew]

again the whole "fall of shady sands" thing doesnt really make any sense yet but it is a relevant plot device the showrunners have gone out of the way to say is entirely different to the nuking

[opaque relic]

I'm beginning to think that even the show runners are confused

[burnt yew]

honestly this could be true lmao

[tawdry valley]

And it doesnt help that we see Shady Sands fine more or less with some issues. It just doesnt really feel like Shady Sands "falled"

[burnt yew]

completely agree

[molten hamlet]

Which is true until now

[burnt yew]

but in terms of that scene in this episode with the ghoul it does still technically make sense for him to say 20 years ago if he refers to the fall and not the nuking

[rain tartan]

A lot can happen in the time between Fallout 4 and the Show

[molten hamlet]

Indeed but it’s still up in the air. There’s nothing wrong with the debate itself

[rain tartan]

At least people aren’t arguing how shady sands being nuked lead to the fall of the NCR when it’s completely reasonable for that to happen

[tawdry valley]

@burnt yew God I feel like they are just playing around with the timeline. I really wish they set the show somewhere else like in colorado which was meant to be the case

[burnt yew]

honestly what you said earlier is probably right about them making a mistake then just doubling down on it afterwards lol

[opaque relic]

No chance, Todd loves the West Coast

[trail sentinel]

Not even Colorado dude like
Literally anywhere else could also have been interesting

[hearty ether]

what else would it have fallen to

[rain tartan]

It would have been cool if the show was just Van Buren with the timeline moved

[versed ibex]

i wonder if anyone is in contact with the chicago brotherhood. considering tactics is kinda semi/soft canon, the idea of them finding out theyre recruiting supermutants would probably make their heads spin

[tawdry valley]

You could easily move 95% percent of the plot out of the West Coast. That just tells you how much they don't use West Coast lore

[rain tartan]

I mean people really couldn’t believe the NCR would fall just because their capitol was destroyed when it literally makes sense for that to happen

[trail sentinel]

I don't think the weekly thing is a good idea
This is something that really should be a binge watch
They are just actually edging us

[hearty ether]

oh that. ehh

[trail sentinel]

Ffs I need MORE NCR

[tawdry valley]

Two episodes a piece I think would have been good

[opaque relic]

They're about as real as the Wyoming Khanate

[trail sentinel]

I NEED MORE NCR

[versed ibex]

nah i mess with the weekly release

keeps people talking

[rain tartan]

Give us a 22 episode season like we used to have

[tawdry valley]

Honestly I could see a version of this show where it keeps most of its plot but while avoiding messing around with NV canon but still allowing to explore the West Coast

[trail sentinel]

Fair but I want more NCR
It really seems like they just started with the NCR plotline and my NCR itch just begs for more NCR

[trail sentinel]

Idk how diluted quality might be with that though

[hearty ether]

is there any 22 episode season type shows with good lore

[rain tartan]

Amazon has more money than god, they can afford to do it

[tawdry valley]

I do miss sci-fi shows like Stargate that ran for over 20 episodes a season

[rain tartan]

The X files

[trail sentinel]

Valid

[tawdry valley]

Not always perfect but by god it was fun

[hearty ether]

ok theres one thats wrong

[versed ibex]

also, i couldnt tell if the legion didnt do the whole prima nocta thing with lucy because she wasnt a virgin or bc she admitted to doing cousin stuff

or bc she just annoyed them too much

[hearty ether]

the x files was the simpsons with FBI and aliens

[rain tartan]

It still had an over arching story with fun monster of the week episodes in between. Fallout literally could have the monster of The week episodes be side quests

[versed ibex]

also sorry, i just saw the next on

assuming that's a legit flashback of coop's time in anchorage

was that a fucking deathclaw?

like i know theyre pre-war creations, but what is a deathclaw doing out there

[tall oak]

Cooper being such a good person surprised me.

[trail sentinel]

Field testing :]

[versed ibex]

felt like a good link between past coop and present coop

[trail sentinel]

Hey btw anyone have that one Brotherhood reunion scene with the map?

[versed ibex]

200 years of ghoulification, murder, bounty hunting and general unscrupulous actions cant take away that he's still a good man at heart

good being relative to the world around him obviously, considering he still tried to sell lucy to organ harvesters for a couple of vials

[molten hamlet]

Yeah it’s just fallout 4 out west I still wish it was literally anywhere else

[hearty ether]

i love the cryogun

[hearty ether]

...i mean the enclave (the us governmet) made them, probabnly tested them out there

[versed ibex]

that's horrifying

[tawdry valley]

It feels like they only want to treat the West Coast like a theme park just for views

[versed ibex]

imagine being a chinese soldier already scared out of your wits by the power armored soldiers. and then a giant fucking horned clawed demon rolls up on your encampment and slaughters your entire platoon

[hearty ether]

damn the legion and NCR are still at war

ig the courier really did deliver a chip then leave

[tawdry valley]

More likely given the US track record the Deathclaw turned on its handlers and murdered a bunch of US troopers

[versed ibex]

yeah that makes sense

coop probably witnessed it slaughtering a bunch of soldiers

[hearty ether]

nah its more likely theyd test it on their own soldiers

[hearty ether]

this is hilarious

the whole vibe of the show has been anything but fallout 4, i dont understand how you can think its close to fallout 4 at all

[trail sentinel]

I just know by how Culkin phrased it that there a good ton of people not knowing of unreliable narrators actually just pissed off because, according to him and the Ghoul (literally also another unreliable narrator): The New California Republic was going to "be buried that night"

[hearty ether]

i also dont understand this point like where else are they going to use 😭 90% of fallout is on the west coast, specifically that cali/nevada line

[hearty ether]

oh yeah i dont really trust what some people are saying

like, i think the NCR is still pretty strong in the mojave, even if we havent seen them. people think suddenly they are all dead lol

all we have is that their main base was bombed, but that the NCR is still alive

hell, still at war with the legion even

[versed ibex]

theyve definitely pulled back a majority of their forces

[chrome pivot]

We can all agree

[hearty ether]

which, atleast to me, hints that they arent dead yet

[chrome pivot]

Maximus was so stupid for killing ||xander ||

[molten hamlet]

Locals and artstyle is 4. Random quests are fallout 4. The Bos factions are all tied to the commonwealth. It’s Bethesda fallout to a tee. Like why is that town in season 1 just megaton

Literally what is classic fallout about this

[versed ibex]

but considering we see ranger power armor in the promos, maybe those three soldiers will get the reinforcements they so desperately need

[chrome pivot]

There cooked

[hearty ether]

we might see em in the next few episodes, especially as we see the strip and get closer to NCR territory

[tall oak]

We would do the same.

[hearty ether]

who?

[chrome pivot]

he did not deserve to die icl

He was a like able character

[chrome pivot]

Paldain

The paladin

[hearty ether]

oh that guy

[versed ibex]

i think if a guy i worked with wanted to kill some kids, i would try to stop him too

[tall oak]

tried to kill ghoul children

[chrome pivot]

He gonna have to leave the brotherhood

Cleric quintus gonna kill Maximus for this

[tall oak]

It doesn't seem nice to me.

[chrome pivot]

abominations

[versed ibex]

god that scene

quintus is literally the palpatine of the BOS

[chrome pivot]

He’s saving them from a horrible life

[hearty ether]

i actually really want to see a villain story out of him

[chrome pivot]

Having to take chems to stop yourself from going feral

[tall oak]

He was going to kill Thaddeus too.

[versed ibex]

does not give a shit about maximus, or "swords"

[chrome pivot]

how tf did a . Super sledge

[mortal heath]

Profligates

[hearty ether]

Maximus feels like a character turned bad

[chrome pivot]

Break through power armor

[hearty ether]

a person turned evil

[mortal heath]

Critical Sneak Attack

[hearty ether]

by the systems they were raised in

[chrome pivot]

He coulda knocked him out or smth

[tall oak]

Maximus did the right thing.

[chrome pivot]

He didn’t have to straight up kill him

[chrome pivot]

not really

Now he started a war

Knowing how the show tho most likely the commonwealth is gonna lose

[tall oak]

Intelligence is not his strong suit.

[mortal heath]

He probably thought he was gonna knock him out… but then he got a Sneak Attack Crit

[versed ibex]

no its not

he's kind of an idiot

[chrome pivot]

no bro wasn’t

He literally went for the kill

[tall oak]

Nate is arriving, just like Shanks at Marineford, to stop the war.

[hearty ether]

what random quests? there are no random quests in the show lol. and yea, the BOS is tying to the east because maxson has grouped them together. they are about to go to civil war.

[chrome pivot]

There not gonna include him

[versed ibex]

but thats why i like him so much. he's just kinda going through the motions and letting people dirext him

[chrome pivot]

He’s a player protagonist

[hearty ether]

that town was not even close to being megaton either

unless you really consider 'made of metal = megaton'

[tall oak]

Minuteman, perhaps?

[versed ibex]

yeah i dont understand this view abt the show

[hearty ether]

in which case, damn ig the entire legion is megaton

[chrome pivot]

Yeah but minutemen is also player choice

[versed ibex]

they didnt even pull the power armor designs from 4 for xander's stuff

[hearty ether]

novac? just megaton with a dinosaur

[chrome pivot]

So the player chooses to rebuild them or not

[versed ibex]

still the same silver and red

[rain tartan]

Imagine during the flashback we hear the voice of Nate in one of the power armor suits

[knotty fossil]

Notice how they still refused to give the name of legate culkin, even in the credits. I think there's a real option that his name is spoilers alert and that he is Mr Fantastic or Arcade sold to the legion

[tall oak]

Whether Caesar lives or dies is the player's choice, and he is dead in the series.

[versed ibex]

i can agree that the show is using elements of 4 to make it more presentable to an audience, but it seems to be pulling from all directions

[hearty ether]

the armor is prett 4 inspired, but the armor always was meant to be mech suits. no one has ever denied that fact in fallout

[versed ibex]

i meant moreso the paintjobs

[hearty ether]

as in like, the devs or tim cain.

[versed ibex]

commonwealth bos uses black and orange stripes

[mortal heath]

I suspect we’re gonna see some Legion survivors including the Legate… and probably see those Rangers show up to save the day somehow…

[tall oak]

A strengthened Minuteman in control of the castle is something the series could make canon.

[versed ibex]

did nate fight at anchorage?

i thought he was in canada

[knotty fossil]

He fought there, its shown in the intro clip

[versed ibex]

ahhh

[tall oak]

The name Cesar wrote is Joshua Graham's.

[rain tartan]

I mean they’re right next to each other so 🤷‍♂️

[versed ibex]

if we ever get to boston

[tall oak]

Season 3 should be about Fallout 3 or 4.

[chrome pivot]

Idk why they killed casear

[versed ibex]

would love if it was about 4

[chrome pivot]

The way the shows going tho

Nobody is a winner

so I’m confident commonwealth bos

[knotty fossil]

I think its funny if they discover the name ceaser wrote is lanius or vulpes, and whoever it is, is already long dead by the courrier's hands

[mortal heath]

Oh everybody kills Caesar come on now

[rain tartan]

He was always gonna die

[chrome pivot]

It won’t go good for them

[mortal heath]

It’s fun

[tall oak]

He had a tumor.

[versed ibex]

i'm sure the show would love to make a joke out of the settlements thing the same way they did with the "nuclear winter" thing

[tall oak]

Whether or not to be cured is the player's choice.

[tawdry valley]

And? People want to see different parts of Post War US

[rain tartan]

And even then he’s not cured, he just buys extra time

[mortal heath]

the body is fake bc I definitely put a mini nuke right in his face 🤔

[tawdry valley]

How?! Camp Golf is abandoned. Those two Rangers have been alone for years. If Hoover Dam was still a thing why wouldnt have they just there? Hell

[mortal heath]

shouldn’t be anything left

[versed ibex]

three rangers, but yeah

[tall oak]

Another 40 years of life

[mortal heath]

I bet ncr has enough problems out west to deal with to not have much of a presence in the Mojave

[tall oak]

Boone blew his head off.

[rain tartan]

People also just casually ignoring the tunnelers

[mortal heath]

I keep asking where the tunnelers are

Maybe that’s where courier six is

[leaden sage]

Max may have done the silliest thing ever

[tall oak]

If Boone appears, I'd like him to be played by Alan Ritchson.

[mortal heath]

Fighting an endless battle against the tunnelers

[tawdry valley]

Or maybe the tunnelers are not that major of a threat

[mortal heath]

Yeah maybe Ulysses was just fucking nuts

Did you ever consider that

[tall oak]

He's already an Amazon actor, so it wouldn't be a problem.

[versed ibex]

idk if boone is that big

[rain tartan]

House also could have let the tunnelers rampage the NCR off before killing the little bastards

[leaden sage]

At least The Ghoul still cares enough about Lucy even though he dislikes her to save her and fuck the Legion I assume?

[versed ibex]

in my head he seems more lean, alan ritchson is the size of a brick shithouse

[mortal heath]

Glow up Boone. ripped Boone

[rain tartan]

I don’t know man, they very easily took down that deathclaw

[versed ibex]

i think the good person part that was supposed to link with his actions after charlie's speech wasnt rescuing lucy, but blowing up the legion camp

[mortal heath]

Also wouldn’t Boone be an old man by now

[knotty fossil]

I think NCR is dead in the mojave by desertions (like the season 1 ranger now farmer) and mass deaths either by nuke or raiders or whatever. But its implied that unlike what cooper thinks, the NCR is still alive and well in Dayglow, the Hub, and Maxon despite losing the boneyard and the mojave. Its possible however that these 3 NCR states (remember the NCR in new vegas was 5 states and the mojave was on its way to be the 6th state) are separated from one another.

[mortal heath]

Yeah Boone would be like 50 now

[versed ibex]

it seems like he still just needs lucy to get to hank, but the good part of him couldnt abide by just leaving those three rangers out to dry, so he blew up the legion camp to keep them occupied with fighting eachother

[knotty fossil]

Yeah he basically gave these bare remmants to "live to fight another day"

[tall oak]

Boone is 1.85m, Alan Ritchson is 1.91m

[mortal heath]

Danny Trejo as Raul.

[tall oak]

Yes, it would work.

[tawdry valley]

Wouldnt we have seen literally any mention of that? Wouldn't the Ghoul have said that the NCR was still kicking in several states? Wouldnt the Brotherhood be fighting with the NCR?

[trail sentinel]

Omg no way

[mortal heath]

Why did we not get Danny Trejo as Raul

wtf

[tawdry valley]

It just feels werid that the NCR is still kicking in several states and not have it once mentioned

[tall oak]

Giga Boone

[mortal heath]

Take Macaulay Culkin back and give me my Danny Trejo cameo

[versed ibex]

nah i fw culkin as a legion guy

[mortal heath]

He did do a good job…

[tall oak]

not yet

[rain tartan]

It’s still the wasteland, communications could still be cut off. It’s not like everyone still has a phone

[tawdry valley]

Apprently that is just a map ripped ripped from a fan made map

[tall oak]

Danny Trejo is a fan of games.

[versed ibex]

which makes sense, the tar heels are on there

[leaden sage]

Ah

[tawdry valley]

These states are right next to each other

[steel pulsar]

This show is best so far man

[mortal heath]

Danny Treno as a ghoul would be just perfect tie in to New Vegas

[tall oak]

He would readily agree to participate in the series.

[steel pulsar]

Goes to show how fucked up ideologically the brotherhood is despite their overall purpose being good

[tawdry valley]

Since it even mentions Maxson's Bunker

[noble owl]

theres a lot of van bueren content on the map

[leaden sage]

I’m surprised Victor still works

[noble owl]

guess that soemwhat canonises some events of it

[trail sentinel]

Yeah here the author posted a Reddit post on it
He dosen't a problem with it though, he says
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1q0i21i/the_fallout_tv_series_decied_to_use_my_map_of_the/
Stilll

[tall oak]

Boone and Raul are my favorite companions.

[leaden sage]

He’s like what, 220 years old?

[trail sentinel]

||HUB MENTIONEDDDDD||

||Or shown, rather||

[knotty fossil]

1. The ghoul doesnt really care about anything in the larger world that is not connected to his quest to find his family. He was also kept in that pit by don pedro for at least 30 years, so he might not even know about the exact state of NCR in 2281 when it was its peak.
   2)the brotherhood might be fighting with NCR, we dont know (lost hills bunker I mean, not the knight of san fardino)

[steel pulsar]

People keep coping that the ncr is still living large

[mortal heath]

Yeah I think Danny Trejo would kill it in this

[steel pulsar]

The NCR is fucked at this point it’s clear as day

There’s no hope

It is what it is

Move on

[mortal heath]

Yeah, the Ghoul has been all over and uh pretty sure he’d know

He said there ain’t no one coming because there ain’t no one left lol

[tall oak]

He's Danny Trejo, man.

[steel pulsar]

I’m sick and tired of people coping trying to say oh no there’s still a chance the NCR is at large

[mortal heath]

I bet they still have some presence in California and that’s about it really

[steel pulsar]

They fucking are nearly extinct

[trail sentinel]

1. He's talking about Camp Golf
2. Unreliable narrator

[steel pulsar]

They might as well be gone at this point

[mortal heath]

Like… a chapter or something

[steel pulsar]

They can’t even stand toe to toe with the worst brotherhood chapter

[tawdry valley]

I think this is coping. I want the NCR to still be kicking but it will a asspull to simply say the NCR was still present in the South all this time. What was moldaver doing with that ragged band then?

[tawdry valley]

Maybe the north like Redding I could buy

[knotty fossil]

Some dude on this server posted this on how thinks the NCR is now (the orange)

[steel pulsar]

Yeah I’ve been saying this since season 1

[leaden sage]

They’re gone, NCR

[steel pulsar]

It’s just people coping

[tall oak]

And where is the Mojave BoS located?

[steel pulsar]

It sucks but it had to be done since Todd loves the brotherhood so much

[rain tartan]

Whatever little they did got wiped out at Griffith observatory

[knotty fossil]

Listen, it might very well be that there is no NCR and the hub and dayglow and whatnot is independent, and it might not be.

[tall oak]

They were intelligent and not too far off the path.

[steel pulsar]

And I guess it’s ok cuz the world of fallout finally a faction actually gets destroyed

[rain tartan]

Long live the enclave o7

[steel pulsar]

Like how they keep somehow bringing the enclave

[tawdry valley]

If that is the case the NCR could have marched down south crushed the Brotherhood who just suck and take back the south in full years ago

[steel pulsar]

Anyone who says the NCR is still at large is coping

[rain tartan]

I mean the enclave hasn’t really been a thing since fallout 3 timeline wise

[tawdry valley]

You cannot have the NCR be that large and go unmentioned for so long

[trail sentinel]

Let's do something
If you end up right at the end of the season you'll have full pass to laugh at me
If I end up right, I have a full pass to laugh at you

[tall oak]

Enclave is a hydra.

[steel pulsar]

Ok

[steel pulsar]

Bro the enclave is still around on the west coast it was in season 1

[knotty fossil]

And they might not want to/be able to. We just dont know.

[versed ibex]

how many fanantically genocidal and patriotic groups of people are still farting around anyway

[steel pulsar]

They are still running epigenetic experiments trying to purify humanity and what not

[trail sentinel]

That really seemed like Colorado or somewhere in the Rockies though

[rain tartan]

And that was their first somewhat major appearance and yet they still weren’t that big in terms of story.

[steel pulsar]

It doesn’t matter where they are bro they are still around

[tall oak]

I think everyone

[rain tartan]

One day Van Buren will be reborn

[steel pulsar]

But people coping so hard about the ncr cuz it’s their favorite faction just accept the change and move on

[tawdry valley]

I want the NCR to come back but at this point? Anything that remains is just small groups. Maybe I could some large portion of it in the north but nothing on the scale on what the map has given us

[steel pulsar]

At least the faction dynamics is finally changing

[trail sentinel]

I mean yeah
They were a full nation wide organization ofc they will still be around in placed they haven't been even challenged in

[trail sentinel]

It technically has

[tawdry valley]

Or do what I do. Just consider the show not canon to the games

[trail sentinel]

The map has multiple Van Buren locales lol

[tawdry valley]

...by wiping out most factions or treating them like canon fodder?

[steel pulsar]

Can’t do that when season 3 of the show will directly affect fallout 5

[steel pulsar]

Changes had to be made

[tawdry valley]

Yeah Fallout 5 coming out in 2035

[trail sentinel]

Just keep in mind that will be a headcanon
And headcanons are as strong as they are fickle

[tawdry valley]

Changes that didnt have to be made

[steel pulsar]

They destroyed the ncr because if they didn’t it wouldn’t be post apocalyptic

[rain tartan]

I’m talking like as a game or hell even a tv show

[steel pulsar]

That’s the whole point of fallout

[tawdry valley]

Then don't have the fucking show take place on the west coast!

[steel pulsar]

War never changes

[tawdry valley]

Are you fucking kidding me?

[steel pulsar]

War keeps on restarting humanities progress

[trail sentinel]

Oh fair
Lol

[trail sentinel]

Yeah that's just now a Chris Avellone ahh take

[rain tartan]

And if the world starts becoming more rebuilt, the games would stop, so it just mass sense to not let the world get too rebuilt

[steel pulsar]

If the ncr remained at large civilization would’ve gotten to a somewhat normal point

[mortal heath]

Gentlemen please

[steel pulsar]

Exactly that’s what I keep trying to explain to people who are made at how the world in fallout is stagnant

[mortal heath]

Can we all just agree Yes Man is the right choice and get along

[trail sentinel]

A game in proper California during NV times would be boring