EPISODE 3

[carmine vault]

Reno was violent enough to survive the ncr collapsing

[raven stone]

I dont think Vault city honestly exists if Norm and vault 31 dwellers are gonna walk around and somehow not find a settlement full of vault dwellers

And if not its probably consumed by NCR

then later just independent due to the fall of shady sands and maybe no longer even being called Vault city

[carmine vault]

Norm finding vault 12 or one of the more experimental vaults would be interesting

[raven stone]

It seems like “vault city” did exist but could either be under a different name and culture or gone.

[carmine vault]

I think norm should find an experimental vault

[vague lodge]

Well the NCR doesn't have to fight the Legion much longer

[opaque relic]

||Ok, so the Commonwealth BoS didn't become more tolerant, some fans would probably call them the "diet Enclave"

They really named him Harkness to mess with us huh lmao||

[raven stone]

with what victor said Legion and NCR fight like cats and dogs seems to hint more

Seems like we’ll get some NCR legion fight soon to end off that Legate character

Probably in the final 2 episodes

[carmine vault]

Why would the commonwealth brotherhood become more tolerant neither lyons or maxson tolerated ghouls or mutants

[outer stirrup]

I don’t think they named him after the synth.

[raven stone]

they were never tolerant of ghouls

even in fo3 Knights were shooting ghouls non feral or not because they cant tell

[wraith owl]

Kevin what are you doing in the wasteland

[proud sorrel]

They just showed us the extreme to make us care

[opaque relic]

They wouldn't be oblivious to the fact that the very first synth they introduced to the series was a courser who changed his name to Harkness

I think it's their way to mess with "game theorists"

[proud sorrel]

Which was killing ghoul children

If they killed nameless ghoul adults the impact of how intolerant even the "good" BoS are wouldn't hit as hard

[wraith owl]

Things are not looking good for Lucy right now

[raven stone]

so im just kinda assuming the NCR’s rangers are hold up in basically near Prime which im gonna assume is near Goodsprings and not the Long 15 outpost because i see no statue

[outer stirrup]

It’s just an old English name. You’re overthinking it

[proud sorrel]

But it's the logical conclusion to their very strict dogma, even with distain for clerical rhetoric

[wraith owl]

||So was the legion the canon ending for NV?||

[opaque relic]

If they really go back to kinda logic, then they probably attacked Goodneighbor at some point after FO4

Also can ghoul kids even go feral?

[wraith owl]

I think any ghoul can

[raven stone]

any ghoul can

[carmine vault]

No because caeser died

[raven stone]

they are a ticking time bomb as some say

thats why the brotherhood wants to just kill em

[opaque relic]

Scottish, I don't think it's overthinking things tho

It doesn't matter now lol

[proud sorrel]

If being a ghoul slows ageing do ghoul kids grow up?

[wraith owl]

I mean... He had a brain tumour

[carmine vault]

And in a legion ending you save him

[proud sorrel]

Also I love how Thaddeus is portrayed as being "kind" when he's running a child labour operation

[opaque relic]

How did Billy not turn feral?

[raven stone]

bethesda logic

[wraith owl]

Good question

[opaque relic]

Billy in the fridge could use some explanation, hope they'll give us something this season

[wraith owl]

So Thaddeus is a ghoul, but he doesn't look like a ghoul

[proud sorrel]

He's something

[raven stone]

they def wont since its more like a quiet retcon that ghouls need chems

[proud sorrel]

Id say he's more like Harold than a traditional ghoul

[wraith owl]

Maybe he's in the early stage of super-mutation

[raven stone]

Like this is just a retcon for the show

[wraith owl]

Maybe some ghouls don't need chems

[raven stone]

ghouls never needed chems before but thats just new lore

[proud sorrel]

FEV is weird

[wraith owl]

Like, the vault tech rep was fine

[proud sorrel]

It can do strange things

[wraith owl]

Maybe the Ghoul doesn't need the drug because he's a ghoul but for some other reason

[raven stone]

personally think its just giving the writers too much credit for something they just wanted to show weakness in the ghoul

[proud sorrel]

If they didn't I bet we'd get accusations of The Ghoul being a Mary Sue

[jovial viper]

okay so Thaddeus is using child labour

interesting development

[raven stone]

well i mean hes not a mary sue

[opaque relic]

C'mon, they can't get away with reminding us how Max survived the nuke every season without explaining why Billy didn't go feral, can they?

[wraith owl]

Indeed

[raven stone]

its more just video game logic

The show clearly doesnt have the same rules as real life

[proud sorrel]

He's a Fagin

[jovial viper]

plot armour 😭

[jovial viper]

i have no idea what that is

[proud sorrel]

Oliver Twist

[jovial viper]

no idea who that is

[proud sorrel]

It's a very famous novel

[wraith owl]

Charles Dickens novel

[jovial viper]

oooohhhh

never heard of it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

also nice to see Arthur Maxson shared his cool coats with the rest of his brethren… i want him slightly less dead for that

🤏

[raven stone]

theres always been bomber jackets

[outer stirrup]

Not the same

And that’s ugly

[burnt yew]

Just finished the ep, so are the entire east coast fully anti abomination now?

[outer stirrup]

It seems so

[jovial viper]

YOOOO THEY GOT THE

HOME ALONE DUDE

[opaque relic]

Real life, I thought we were talking about a side quest in Fallout 4? The fridge thing itself is pretty much a joke but they keep bringing it up and it's messing with the worldbuilding rn ngl

My headcanon is that most ghoul children won't go feral, otherwise I really can't take Cooper and Maximus seriously

[jovial viper]

nah i mean:

[jovial viper]

the whole concept of Fallout doesn't make sense irl

[tacit birch]

W thaddeus

he's better than maxson at least

[jovial viper]

lowkey agree on that

[opaque relic]

Kaleti Williams ain't white tho

[raven stone]

i just dont know the actor, was just assumptions

[outer stirrup]

@chrome wagon The true flag of Quintus seems to be red and gold and not red and white.

[burnt yew]

i lowkey think that theory that was going around of maximus deserting the bos to give cold fusion to the ncr is becoming more and more true

[raven stone]

I have a feeling House is gonna take it

he needed it to survive and its coming right into his hands

[jovial viper]

lmao Lucy educating the Legion

🤓☝️

girl you're about to be enslaved but go off queen

[tacit birch]

what ncr

[jovial viper]

"im not even a virgin - and there’s the cousin stuff!"

[burnt yew]

im still fairly sure all the hinting theyre doing for the ncr being fragmented and clustered is going to lead into a reveal the ncr still exists

and cold fusion will allow them to rebuild

[jovial viper]

the legion says they're at war with them still

[burnt yew]

the show even straight up calls the ncr "the good guys" which imo is incredibly on the nose

[burnt yew]

this too

[jovial viper]

anyone who wants to make their people pay taxes ain't the good guys

[burnt yew]

real

the ghoul probably never had to worry about taxes back in the day

all that movie money

[jovial viper]

until the divorce and being shunned from Hollywood, most likely.

rip

[opaque relic]

Why are we talking about real life here, just cos it's live action doesn't mean it's IRL?

The fact they make the fridge and the serum kinda important to the story without explaining the retcon is kinda lazy tbh

[burnt yew]

im still soooo surprised xander died in 1 episode

[outer stirrup]

He’s gonna give it to the independent people of new Vegas ❤️

[burnt yew]

so now we know why the airships start fighting

[jovial viper]

my bad i thought you were not okay with it being unrealistic bc it's live action

[wraith owl]

||I don't like this chapter of the brotherhood||

[tacit birch]

this is how freeside can still win

[burnt yew]

ngl all the tv show changes are kinda making me like the bos more

[jovial viper]

but not explaining the retcon about the serum so far has been lazy

[opaque relic]

There's no doubt that he's gonna help rebuild the NCR eventually (Aaron signed up for several seasons iirc?)

But honestly, this would be the perfect opportunity for them to reintroduce the Followers of the Apocalypse to the show

[burnt yew]

the followers of the apocalypse would be such a good addition i agree

[steel pulsar]

It's not really a retcon. There's nothing saying everyone needs the serum

[jovial viper]

but there has been no mention of it in the games, making it a little jarring. obviously doesn't really matter at the end of the day because it's obviously something thrown in there for plot reasons for Cooper.

[steel pulsar]

It could just be not a widespread thing. So far we only saw two ghouls use them

[opaque relic]

Yeah, we even saw the ranger giving Cooper some serum, maybe they explained it in Fallout 76, I'd have to go check the wiki

[burnt yew]

i think its a 76 thing iirc

[jovial viper]

true 🤔

[wraith owl]

Why did the ghoul go back to find Lucy... Is he becoming more compasionate?

[burnt yew]

i wonder if lucy will come out more weary after her crucifiction more like cooper

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-snl-saturday-night-live-yep-yes-gif-8397555225657125848

[steel pulsar]

The idea we know is ghouls can eventually go feral even if they're sane. Some go faster, some late. The serum probably helps stop that temporarily but it's inevitable

[wraith owl]

I just want her to put a bullet in someone with the intent of ending their life

Like she's too nice for the wasteland still

[jovial viper]

hopefully her dad

[burnt yew]

tbf he needed lucy so i understand getting her but he really didnt need to instigate the legion civil war just to save the NCR - he did that as an act of kindness

[wraith owl]

She did say she wants to bring him to justice

[jovial viper]

"bring him to justice" girl at what courthouse with what jury

[wraith owl]

VICTOR

[burnt yew]

true heres betting on the final episode of season 2

[steel pulsar]

Tbf even if a justice system did exist I'm sure he'd be executed

[cursive flare]

A terminal in 3 mentions Ghouls who don't socialize are more likely to feral, I'm guessing stimulants like chems help stave off going feral and the vials is a specialized drug for that.

[wraith owl]

Who's voicing victor?

[burnt yew]

yeah like the ncr are the only ones with a justice system and theyd definitely execute him for bombing shady sands

if they have capital punishment idk

[wraith owl]

"Bombing" is an understatement tbh

[jovial viper]

no wonder Cooper has been huffing them down 😭

[burnt yew]

yep lol

[steel pulsar]

Yeah they execute desserters when the war starts

They'd definitely kill him

[burnt yew]

im kind of loving maximus' character

all of them actually, all 3 leads are great

[cursive flare]

Maximus and Norm's stuff has been what I've liked so far, Lucy and Cooper have felt a little meandering so far.

[tacit birch]

I wish lucy actually apologized for leaving the ghoul alone and poisoned

[wraith owl]

I need to stay out these channels while watching episodes...

[burnt yew]

tbf it does seem like theyre just going place to place to give callbacks to nv but i do suppose it works towards both of their character arcs

[burnt yew]

she might do after he saved her from crucifiction

[jovial viper]

IM CRUING

[burnt yew]

seems a right thing to do lol

[outer stirrup]

The 3 main characters feel very nomadic.

I cannot for the life of me imagine these characters chilling in the ncr at least not this early in the show.

Like I’ve seen people say Maximus will join the ncr and become a ncr solider this season but wouldn’t he be out of the plot? (I can see this happening on the final season maybe)

The show seems to want these characters to stay moving

[jovial viper]

ABSOLUTELY NIT WIT

[cursive flare]

best way to say my thoughts is that in Season 1 Lucy and Cooper had plot progression in the first 2 episodes then some side questing. This Season Lucy and Cooper have felt like they've been side questing from episode 1

[burnt yew]

yeah definitely not anytime soon, if this theory was to come true this would happen waaaay later in the future (i dont see this season leaving the mojave)

[golden trellis]

Failed Speech Check ✅

[jovial viper]

she’s so silly i love her

[opaque relic]

I think a lot of the stuff that you learn from terminals or some NPCs aren't necessarily 100% true

At least that's the Bethesda logic, which helps them retcon stuff lol

[burnt yew]

i really didnt think theyd show the legion off so violently but im glad they did

[cursive flare]

I was expecting her to get a human kill this episode

[golden trellis]

Lucy: "I'm not a virgin and I slept with my cousins!"

The Legion: "Degenerates like you belong on a cross."

[steel pulsar]

They don't retcon things. They usually try keeping EVERYTHING in even if they contradict sometimes

Which admittedly works in detriment sometimes

[cursive flare]

This is a terminal in Underworld written by a Ghoul doctor. Yeah it could be retconned but it also doesn't necessarily contradict the idea that Ghouls need mental stimulation either via socialization, chem use or being focused on a goal

[burnt yew]

i mean they sometimes retcon things but i still agree with what u said

[steel pulsar]

They gotta learn to let go some things instead of trying to make everything fit

[golden trellis]

FNV fans breaking into Amazon after The House ending was made canon (They are never happy)

[burnt yew]

it seems that season 2 is just gonna tip toe around the whole events of nv by not mentioning any of it at all (like how the NCR and legion are still at war but we got no mention of hoover dam etc)

[opaque relic]

A ranger's life can be very nomadic, Max doesn't even have to join the NCR

We know he's good with pistols and I can kinda see him becoming a gunslinger after leaving the BoS

But yeah, he's also gonna be wearing PA most of the time (knight errant?)

[steel pulsar]

Like with the FO3 enclave armor. They could've just retconned that as the APA 2 armor since that was clearly the intention based on dialogue.
But then FO4 also brought back the og APA design in the XO1 prototype

So now we got the FO3 armor which is just... Enclave armor. Except it's also called apa

[burnt yew]

wasnt x01 you find in fallout 4 the prewar model and APA 1 and 2 were the ones developed by the enclave

[steel pulsar]

Yeah but FO3 specifically tried making that design the new APA

[burnt yew]

ah i see

[steel pulsar]

Like you get dialogue saying it's the same armor they saw back west

Then they just brought back the og design in FO4 anyway

[burnt yew]

but then you also have the remnants and tesla pa which are more alike the apa

[steel pulsar]

Yeah. They gotta let go of somethings. They hate retcons and always try to keep everything

[golden trellis]

just pick the last one up bruh

[tacit peak]

Advanced PA Mk1 and 2 are both in Fallout 2, they just share the same sprite. The armor in Fo3 is the Mk2, they just made a new design to differentiate both armors.

[cinder flax]

ok well uh so much for Kumail staying for more than a few episodes lmao

[golden trellis]

Hotdog

[steel pulsar]

Well. His dead body might still be around

[burnt yew]

Yeah this is crazy to me

Hope Kevin returns as well

[cinder flax]

not really sure what to think about how his character turned out

[burnt yew]

He was a fun character if only for 1 episode

[cinder flax]

i was expecting him to be a Danse-like character but instead he was kind of a psycho

[burnt yew]

Glad what he did for maximus' own development

[steel pulsar]

It was a good turn of trope ngl. They start off making you think he's finally something Maximus can believe in.

Then... yeah

[cinder flax]

fuck me can there be at least ONE upstanding figure int he Brotherhood Max can look up to

[opaque relic]

I'm not super sure this is the case with Bethesda's Fallout but it certainly wasn't the case with Elder Scrolls

A lot of pre-Morrowind era lore got "banished to the shadow realm", the most noticeable example would be "Ebonarm"

They removed this god's references from several books n etc.

But I think he's being mentioned again lately, so things have changed

[cinder flax]

also goddamn Caesars corpse 💀

[steel pulsar]

Technically Danse hates Ghouls, Mutants and everything too. I mean he is happy to wipe out the synths in Battle of Bunker hill with no hesitation

[wraith owl]

The ghoul really seems like a genuinely good guy under that rough exterior

[steel pulsar]

They didn't get banished.
Again. Dragon Breaks were specifically introduced so EVERYTHING can be kept in

[cinder flax]

fair point i guess

[wraith owl]

And cooper howard seemed like a good guy too before the war

[golden trellis]

to "save" humanity, they have to kill anything that isn't "pure" human I guess

[cinder flax]

i had forgotten until now that the commonwealth chapter is very anti-mutant

[wraith owl]

Sounds like the imperium of man from warhammer 40k

[pallid badger]

I don't think that Caesar has even used his rifle. His akm is suffering from Africa warlord syndrome: the sight elevation is almost maxed out lol. He will be hitting like 2 feet high

[opaque relic]

True, I think it's been confirmed by the show as well

The ghoul that got shot in the head definitely got better after getting more social interactions

[burnt yew]

I suppose this is all to lead maximus away from the bos eventually

[steel pulsar]

Tho i do think even Danse would hesitate killing literal children

[cinder flax]

corinthian greek helmet lmao

[burnt yew]

Hmm that sounds like the enclave oh wait

[cinder flax]

how much you wanna bet they just looted this from a pre-war movie set

[golden trellis]

I thought they be killing everyone lol

[cursive flare]

I did like the Ghoul this episode, felt like he got some character progression.

[wraith owl]

Oh he absolutely has

[pallid badger]

As did lucy

[burnt yew]

True seeing the ghoul being kind was huge

[wraith owl]

Everyone gets development

[steel pulsar]

They are. Everyone who's not them

[golden trellis]

did Lucy never kill anyone throughout seasons 1 and 2?

[steel pulsar]

The whole "pure human" bit was a lie. They had to manually inoculate themselves

[cursive flare]

two ghouls

[wraith owl]

Ferals tho

I like how the show isn't shying away from gore

[cursive flare]

Ferals are just insane people

[sonic yarrow]

he's the fucking legate?? LMFAOOOOO

https://tenor.com/bN8VQ.gif

[pallid badger]

Caesar should have his rifle sights set to the "p" setting as in the first image, not the 600m setting currently in the second image lol

[steel pulsar]

Ferals are weird. The loading screens say their brains have completely rotten beyond repair from radiation... but also radiation heals them?

What

[pallid badger]

Radiation cannot heal brain tissue

[cursive flare]

They didn't use the trailer scene of Lacerta stabbing another legionnaire, so we're definitely getting more of him

[golden trellis]

they really cast the kid who defended his house with paint cans and marbles to lead a group of "hardcore" Roman slavers

[steel pulsar]

Nah but like if it's rotting one thing how is it fixing another?

[burnt yew]

True actually thats a good comm

More Kevin lets go

[calm granite]

Anyone else think that the Ghoul's decision will turn out to be a mistake, as he himself hints at, because it will allow Legate Kevin to become Caesar and reunite the Legion? Kind of like a post-apocalyptic Augustus.

[cursive flare]

Cooper did say this could be a mistake, guessing the Lacerta will declare himself Caesar and go gunning for Lucy and the Ghoul

[burnt yew]

Pretty much

[pallid badger]

I am assuming the radiation cannot heal insanity, image the average person having to live day to day in a post nuclear hell hole with nothing but depression. You can't even hang with normal people because they will kill you for how you look

[opaque relic]

Well, I guess you could say by the time logic of a world "created by the Godhead's dream", everything is true/false

Think it depends on the writers tho, sometimes they'll come up with something cool like the Khajiit having many different forms (which is why they looked more "human" in early games)

Sometimes they'll just ignore most of the stuff previous lore and pretend they never existed

[cursive flare]

From the sounds of it they've been fighting the Legion

[steel pulsar]

They couldn't reach out. They were stranded without radio with legionaires nearby.
They say there battalions after SS fell nearby but they probably pulled out

[sonic yarrow]

his giant fucking ears pick up the audio traces of profligates up to 30 miles away. trust, he knows what he's doing

[jovial viper]

"we're gonna need her down the line"

welp… somehow i don't think it's gonna end up quite that simple for ya buddy

[cursive flare]

I thought he was okay as a Legion chud

[golden trellis]

Imagine trying to sneak into the camp with a Stealth Boy and this man just turns his head 2 degrees and says, "I hear you breathing, profligate. Also, you have a slight heart murmur."

[sonic yarrow]

shit my pants immediately

[steel pulsar]

They don't pretend they're gone. They usually just dragon break them away. Like the jungly cyrodiil pre Oblivion apparently still exists but it's in a different timeline. The one we got is a variant

[cursive flare]

There is also the scene of him with the laurel crown

[steel pulsar]

How? There's a legion camp right next to them

[golden trellis]

the Legion in the show is basically a distilled essence of losers

[steel pulsar]

Or close to them atleast

[jovial viper]

and im gonna watch that shit with glee

[jovial viper]

you say that like they already weren't a bunch of wannabe losers

[steel pulsar]

I'm pretty sure they're like 3 people

Also they want to fight. They're still trying to find a way to contact the ncr

[opaque relic]

Depends on the writers

It could be "transcription errors" or "LotR'd by the power of CHIM" or like you said another reality

Ok, I think I've been talking way too much about TES here, so I'll just say that I hope that they'll try another approach with FO lore

[steel pulsar]

Uh. Lucy got captured

[stark breach]

Once the rest of the episodes come out, it'll probably feel a little less that way.

[golden trellis]

The show just stopped pretending they were an "Empire." In New Vegas, they had the Aura but by the time we see the Home Alone guy in the shed, the mask has slipped

[cinder flax]

i think in contrast with last ep i feel abit let down by the brotherhoods part for todays ep

[golden trellis]

bro 💔 hes so smol

[cinder flax]

and instead liked Cooper and Lucy's part more

[steel pulsar]

Yeah but again. The fact that there were legionaires nearby means they have scouts all around

[burnt yew]

Hes not lanius just a new legate

[steel pulsar]

Cos the slave lady says she lost her legionaire

[sonic yarrow]

it's not 50s americana if everything isn't made with jello

[carmine vault]

The legion is collapsing

[golden trellis]

yeah right. also, Asian Caesar

[steel pulsar]

Meaning she wasn't alone. She probably had people with her before the radscorpions attacked

[raven stone]

so the show’s wrong that the romans did pronounce “Ceasar” with a K?

[golden trellis]

"SEE-zer" or "KAI-sar" you call it

[steel pulsar]

They're both kinda wrong about it tbf

[carmine vault]

Which is something the ncr does

[raven stone]

Because if thats the case how did the writers get that wrong ig lol

[carmine vault]

Structure falls apart old rivalries flare up , settlements declare independance

[raven stone]

because lucy tried to argue pronouncing with a “K” was a german pronunciation but the deeper i look into this, the legion was right

[steel pulsar]

We don't really know they collapsed. The remnants say they had batallions nearby after SS fell. They likely simply pulled out of the Mojave

[sonic yarrow]

same way a former capital was moved from a popup town in the middle of the desert to being the ruins of a los angeles neighborhood

[steel pulsar]

They're probably back at Cali

[sonic yarrow]

good writing! 👍

[burnt yew]

Yeah I imagine theyre still about just a bit weakened

[burnt yew]

I mean ss moved between fallout 1 and fallout 2 as well

[steel pulsar]

First of all it's outside LA. Not built into any ruins

[carmine vault]

The ncr fragmenting without its government could happen

[steel pulsar]

??
What difference would that make. They lost a state so they pulled out. The Mojave was an expedition force.

[burnt yew]

Like if they lose the boneyard and pull out of the mojave they could still be functioning in the rest of california

[vague lodge]

Maybe we see more NCR in the future episodes hopefully

[tacit birch]

caeser looks like khaby lame

[pallid badger]

Whoever was leading the NCR probably pulled all their forces back to secure territory they could not afford to lose

[carmine vault]

Also didn’t new vegas imply the ncr had internal problems that was driving its expansion

[burnt yew]

I likr how rdward sallows body was just on a wall lol

[steel pulsar]

It did have problems but not enough to collapse

[cinder flax]

man the sunglasses-wearing legionnaires look even goofier in live action

[pallid badger]

NGL the legion gives me concept art vibes

[tacit birch]

hank got both shady and half the boneyard

[cursive flare]

The bridge in the episode 4 preview was seen in some leaked shots of NCR troopers

[raven stone]

ive also said this

[burnt yew]

Ooh

[raven stone]

It looked similar

[vague lodge]

Ok nice

[steel pulsar]

I think that NCR batallion they mentioned will show up. That reeks of Chekovs gun

[tacit birch]

did they just take caesers dead body from the fort

[carmine vault]

He may have died on route to arizona

[cursive flare]

It is the NCR armor seen in the flashbacks though, which could mean maybe Norm has a flashback to Shady Sands? rather than present day NCR troopers in the boneyard

[steel pulsar]

No way they're name dropping the NCR so much without doing much with them. We'll likely get another NCR vs Legion fight

[raven stone]

tbh this location is probably the fort the more i make sense of this

[opaque relic]

This just shows that neither Lucy nor the Legion boys know that much about Rome

It's "K" in German cos they kept the way it's supposed to be pronounced in Classical Latin

Ecclesiastical Latin has a softer "C"

Man, I hope Arcade Gannon is still doing ok, they should ask Zach if he's interested in the role

[cursive flare]

They gave the NCR and Legion title cards

[steel pulsar]

Ye

[tacit birch]

well if caeser lived past new vegas I hope he lived long enough to personally throw lanius into the grand canyon for failing the legion

[steel pulsar]

They're definitely setting up some big fight between them

Chekovs gun and all that

[carmine vault]

New vegas confirmed that outside of casear not many knew the roman empire well even in the legion

[cursive flare]

I've also heard NCR and Legion were seen in the Freeside sets.

[steel pulsar]

Caesar himself didn't know

[carmine vault]

Given the brain tumour may cause erratic behaviour its possible

[raven stone]

its possible we might see NCR and Legion fight for the strip once the deathclaws clear ig

[steel pulsar]

Burned Man 2.
Less go

[carmine vault]

He knew it was pronoucned kaiser

[cursive flare]

Could be that the Legion have been fighting over and moving Caesar's corpse all over the place like possessing it is some kind of mandate

[pallid badger]

They would've looked at the note

[midnight light]

OH MY GOD

VRO JUST KILLED HARKNESS

[steel pulsar]

I meant the Roman Empire part. His knowledge is pretty half baked as well

[tacit birch]

what if the note is just a red herring

[raven stone]

I do think the legion we see in the show is the fort. Because the ghoul manages to get from Camp Golf as well

its just retconned for the scene

[cursive flare]

I think the note is probably nothing lmao if you flip the note all it says is "I am- I am th-"

[raven stone]

in terms of geography

[tacit birch]

the other side just put it there to make it seem like their ceaser is the true one

[carmine vault]

True but casear knows the most which is scary

[raven stone]

because not everything we see in the show is accurate 1:1 in game like Novac

[steel pulsar]

It could be near the banks of the Colorado river

They probably set up a new camp alongside Cottonwood cove

[carmine vault]

So i imagine in casears last moments he was erratic and unpredictable hence why the legion leadership is gone and his heir may have been random

[steel pulsar]

But further inwards this time

[raven stone]

one thing i think the show needs to do better is properly give the viewer an idea geography wise where this is

because half the time it feels like a random place

[steel pulsar]

They should release a map

Speaking of maps did y'all see all the Van Buren references?

[outer stirrup]

Vault dwellers and legion were seen in the same area

[burnt yew]

I mean the ghoul travelled nearby to primm to get to those ncr guys and he came from camp golf so I presumed the legion camp is on the west side of coloroado river

[pallid badger]

Harkness should've left the kids alone tbh. How much damage could a ghoul kid do?

[steel pulsar]

The BoS map room had all sorts of VB references. It was so cool

[opaque relic]

And Lucy is not that well informed either, she's certainly more educated than most ppl tho

[cursive flare]

Honestly weird given Norm is presumably still in Los Angeles

[tacit birch]

I swear that's norm

[raven stone]

A Legion/NCR fight in ep4 would be neat

[burnt yew]

Oh interesting

[burnt yew]

Wait where was this

[burnt yew]

Codex n shi

[steel pulsar]

When the cleric was going on a rant

[cinder flax]

the vibe im feeling for Max by the end of the ep is that hes either going to leave the Brotherhood altogether, or start his own chapter by th etime this is all over

[tacit birch]

is this arizona?

[steel pulsar]

If you look at the map they got names from VB

[pallid badger]

Bear bull bear bull

[steel pulsar]

Factions, Locations. Everything

[burnt yew]

Thank you

[tacit birch]

by the way wtf is a cleric

[ruby gorge]

this is going to spawn a new wave of bad fallout fandom maps, i can just feel it

[tacit birch]

is that a scribe?

[ruby gorge]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cleric

[steel pulsar]

Fuck that. I love me some obscure Van Buren references

[jovial viper]

i got muted for dissing Vulpes' attire what 💀

[raven stone]

its some religious figure not a scribe

[pallid badger]

According to that map the legion is still at the fort

[burnt yew]

We can see the state of maxson on the left which is where lost hills is. I wonder if they do anything with that

[coarse wharf]

what the hell are those random colour spots supposed to be?

[opaque relic]

He turned out to be a sarcastic meathead who's kinda doing it for fun, a bit psycho ngl

[coarse wharf]

also yes, i think so

so the legion still possess most of its territory

[raven stone]

prob lead by Lanius

[tacit birch]

I can't read shit on that map, do you have a higher quality version?

[opaque relic]

Do you guys think Danse would've shot those mutated kids if he were there?

[jovial viper]

Cooper dropped one of the vials (slips right of of his hand) when the NCR lady gave him the tin and you can see it on the ground as he walks away and i can't ignore it

[cinder flax]

yea im ngl im kinda sad they went that way with his character

[vast halo]

Xander NO

[jovial viper]

yeah

[vast halo]

I LIKED HIM

[outer stirrup]

Yes

[steel pulsar]

I had it on my pc. Lemme look it up

[jovial viper]

commonwealth bos were very racist

iirc

[raven stone]

they all are

[opaque relic]

K, I'm not saving him in my next run

[coarse wharf]

another interesting spot here is the name ‘maxson’ is used

[bright scroll]

the legion is so goofy

[vast halo]

Ghouls are abominations tho

[coarse wharf]

prop designers really doing their research this season

[raven stone]

i will say why is the ncr ranger helmet different like every scene

They all have their own design

[vast halo]

I thought Xander was gonna bring Maximus over to the commonwealth side

[pallid badger]

Love the legion soldier with the ar-15 rocking an oil can suppresor

[burnt yew]

Lmao

[bright scroll]

I actually died laughing when I saw this shit

[golden trellis]

bro look so dead inside

[vast halo]

Legion is splintered, NCR splintered, House “gone”

Brotherhood killin eachother

[burnt yew]

Bos on the verge of civil war

[vast halo]

It’s all gone to pot

[opaque relic]

A lot of ppl thought they'd make the East Coast BoS the poster boys of the series

Kinda appreciate the fact that it's more nuanced now, makes things more interesting I guess

[bright scroll]

I’m pretty sure the NCR is gone

[burnt yew]

Chris avelone would've loved this show if he didnt hate it

[vast halo]

We don’t know if they’re gone gone yet

[jovial viper]

everything is coming to one giant head

[cursive flare]

Near the Maxson Bunker you can see something related to the Circle of Steel

[burnt yew]

Same and im so glad people cant say this anymore

[coarse wharf]

i like that neither of the new caesers both look completely clueless on how to run things

[tacit birch]

gatling laser go pew pew pew pew

[cursive flare]

Really wish that map was in higher quality

[raven stone]

still havent used energy weapons this whole season yet

[vast halo]

Hell I woulda shot those mutated kids

[bright scroll]

Thaddeus enslaving children was very funny

[burnt yew]

My hopes for lost hills returning have never been higher

[carmine vault]

They get to the lucky 38 and just find yes mans face on the monitor

[tacit birch]

the most tolerant bos supporter

[cursive flare]

Circle of Steel headquarters?

[golden trellis]

Hotdog

[vast halo]

My new favorite phrase

Okiedokie

[raven stone]

bro was willing to traumatize some kids by gunning down mutated children

[bright scroll]

only possible ending atp

[tacit birch]

codex is codex

[jovial viper]

"natural" selection

[vast halo]

This sect likes to pick and choose what parts of the codex they follow

[bright scroll]

smooth skins close your eyes

[coarse wharf]

oooo this is interesting, i thought that the CoS in lore were a bit different to one of VB tho?

[vast halo]

Glad to see they’re not getting support

[carmine vault]

I think lucy and yes man would be a match made in heaven

[tacit birch]

it seems bos ending isn't canon in 4 after all

[raven stone]

but dont close your ears lol

[cursive flare]

The colored circles seem to represent factions, the yellow circle above the Maxson Bunker is the Grand Canyon

[tacit birch]

seems like minutemen with BoS war

[opaque relic]

||We'll see Macaulay Culkin wear the laurel soon, so he's gonna be the new Caesar by the end of this Legion Civil War||

[carmine vault]

How the brotherhood of the east lives

[tacit birch]

they can exist in a minutemen ending

[burnt yew]

The bos of the east needing cold fusion to stop themselves falling is such a crazy revelation

We assumed they were all powerful over there

[tacit birch]

maxson was a fraud after all

[dusty wagon]

Looks like the NCR is dead

[proud sorrel]

From an unreliable narrator

[raven stone]

They should have had teleportation tech by now if they destroyed the institute

[proud sorrel]

We don't know if he was just saying that to get max on his side

[carmine vault]

He was still the last of the founding line

[vast halo]

He was probably wanting to get Maximus to go full commonwealth

[raven stone]

not to mention fallout 4 is pretty leniant its possible the sole survivor helped everyone but then fucked off

[carmine vault]

Unless they destroyed it beyond repair

[dusty wagon]

I thought he wanted to stage a coup and make max the leader while giving him cold fusion

[proud sorrel]

Seems pretty clear he was like let's get him out in the field, get him on side show how the BoS should be lead

Get cold fusion, go home

[tacit birch]

the wasteland has its own golden rule: nothing ever happens

[proud sorrel]

Which TBF would have worked if it wasn't Thaddeus and some ghoul kids

[vast halo]

Using Kumail Nanjiani for two episodes and then killing him was a wild choice but yeah his goal was subterfuge

[cursive flare]

Could you post a close-up of the area northeast of the state of Maxson, because if the state of maxson is the area around Lost Hills then the Northeast area with the black circle is the map of fallout 2

[dusty wagon]

yeah, this show is going to be pretty disappointing if they killed off the most beloved faction

[carmine vault]

Maybe they sent a synth

[raven stone]

it doesnt seem like they are gone yet. Next episode kinda leaks theres some NCR legion fight

[proud sorrel]

I never thought of Chekhov's child labour shift

[raven stone]

least according to set leaks anyway

[tacit birch]

it's in freeside right

[vast halo]

I can’t believe we have to wait until next year for more episodes 😔

[raven stone]

thing is the set isnt in shady sands

its the place Norm is in

Shady sands is a hole in the ground

[proud sorrel]

What's interesting to me is that Thaddeus seems to be brought up in an extreme religious sect, and still has feelings of moral right/wrong

[tacit birch]

it's not even just the ncr, it's almost every place on the west coast

[tacit birch]

not even novac was spared 😭

[bright scroll]

he enslaved children he’s not very morally sound

[vast halo]

I’m still caught on shady sands being the first capital, they wouldn’t have added that if they didn’t exist anymore

[steel pulsar]

Ok. Seems this is the best i can do rn.
Can you see it? Blackfoot village

[raven stone]

u can look up the sets

and compare the ep4 teaser

[burnt yew]

Im pretty sure the set leak is a present day event

[tacit birch]

well that's not really a van buren thing, the blackfoot tribe is mentioned in new vegas as well

[opaque relic]

The real question is how did he become a foreman of child workers in such a short time?

[raven stone]

doesnt make sense how Norm and the vault dwellers can somehow be in “pre nuked” shady sands

[coarse wharf]

hes just goated like that

[steel pulsar]

Yah but Blackfoot Village is specifically a VB location.

Also here. See it? Tibbet's Prison

[proud sorrel]

He seems to be "nice" in how he treats the children in comparison to the rest of the wasteland

[tacit birch]

thaddeus super mutant theory is dead

[coarse wharf]

i think i speak for everyone when i say WE all love enslaving kids to make money

[burnt yew]

I was so confused how thaddeus would fit into this season but ig we know now

[proud sorrel]

Decapping sunset sasparilla to get caps right?

[opaque relic]

How did he manage to find that many kids in podunk nowhere tho?

[tacit birch]

ok yeah that's a good catch

[proud sorrel]

I dunno maybe he just found them already at the plant

[cursive flare]

Interesting, going by the map the black circle furthest northwest of Maxson is where the Mariposa Military base would be

[steel pulsar]

Ye. Quite a bunch of VB locations on the map. Real nice reference

[tacit birch]

hope we get a real HQ version soon

[burnt yew]

Oh wow I never saw that one with the vault dwellers in the same location

[cursive flare]

circles seem to denote factions, so someone controlling mariposa is interesting

[opaque relic]

Is this supposed to be the Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ we see in FNV?

[proud sorrel]

Was that also a bottling plant?

[raven stone]

Theres an NCR Battalion here which the captain said was East of Shady Sands

[tacit birch]

the unity is BACK

[cursive flare]

Actually its too North but it might be where Arroyo was in F2

[steel pulsar]

Look another one. Bloomfield Space Center

[cursive flare]

Or maybe San Fran

[leaden violet]

Wait they left vault 33?

[burnt yew]

Yeah that was in episode 2 they left

[leaden violet]

Wonder what they're gonna get up to n stuf

[opaque relic]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Pressing_Matters

Remember this quest?

[carmine vault]

So here is a thing were some of vault 31 more in on the plan than others since norms group seems naive compared to hank steph and betty

[proud sorrel]

Yeah I just couldn't remember if the HQ was just an office or a plant too

[leaden violet]

What were the fellas in cryotubes again

[carmine vault]

People who paid vault tec to survive the apocalypse

[leaden violet]

I mean where Hank came from

[carmine vault]

Vault 31 dwellers

[leaden violet]

We're they super managers or theeee interns that bud wanted to rule over

I lost the sauce on vault 31

[carmine vault]

Whats funny is according to vault 111 vault tec was not sure the tech worked long term

[tender shadow]

Xander lasted shorter then i thought
i knew he was gonna die at some point but this was really fast

[opaque relic]

The fact they got an upgraded securitron guarding the place tho, what could this mean?

[carmine vault]

Unless thats a synth and the real one is still out there

[jovial viper]

okay Max i'm slightly less concerned about your moral compass

[tender shadow]

who knows
the commonwealth did need cold fusion or else they would be gone
and the institute did have power problems in F4....... lol

[carmine vault]

Vault tec put a lot of faith in their cryo tech given they never knew if it worked

[burnt yew]

He was bleeding tho

Wait do synths bleed

[jovial viper]

killing Xander for trying to kill all those ghoul children? yeah brother 👏👏

however it's civil war now so…

[carmine vault]

They do i think

[jovial viper]

yeah

[raven stone]

Well i think they are naive but someone like a previous overseer was supposed to tell them after they wake up

[opaque relic]

did say he's supposed to get a personality upgrade... Bro's trollmaxxing now huh

[tender shadow]

when i saw the ghoul kids, i knew Xander would try something like that
not fully 100% on brand what they did in F4 but pretty close to it tbh

[jovial viper]

wrinkled ballsack man

[carmine vault]

That would make perfect sense a yes man house

[jovial viper]

not referring to Coop in this scene btw

[carmine vault]

But think about vault 111 and 31 both testing the same tech

[raven stone]

Shut off is a possibility. If he is dead then we know the Courier did it

[jovial viper]

he was so cool with his hotdogs… shame

[raven stone]

Its possible in the episode “The Other Player” is hinting Yes Man maybe

as every faction has gotten a title card

[tacit birch]

I have a feeling he's just baiting coop

[jovial viper]

hopefully with a nine iron

[tender shadow]

i miss him already

[tacit birch]

or his memory is wiped and he thinks house died in the great war

[carmine vault]

See theory above yes man upgrades into a ai house

[void condor]

Are we sure xander is dead?

[raven stone]

u just gotta theorize what relevancy the title has with the episode

4 is obv deathclaw related and 5 is freeside

[cinder flax]

"Demon in the Snow"

[tender shadow]

well in the teaser on whats next on episode 4
we see thadues taking his PA and pretending he's Xander... so most likely yea

[burnt yew]

The hand-off sounds like a delivery or exchange so maybe maximus giving cold fusion to someone?

[vague lodge]

4 is probs gonna not be as focused on the Ghoul and Lucy imo

[cinder flax]

the title for 4 also makes me think its gonna be a flashback to Anchorage

[burnt yew]

Oh so then its thaddeus and maximus who are leaving the airships in that one trailer shot as the conflict begins

[burnt yew]

Yee most likely

[raven stone]

it is in the teaser they made it to the entrance of freeside

[jovial viper]

"the demon in the snow"

Alaska

[vague lodge]

i mean maybe a bit but not much

[tender shadow]

that would indeed be my guess yea

[tender shadow]

Alaska with a deathclaw maybe? they are prewar after all

[raven stone]

its obvious ep4 is more focused on pre war anchorage

[vague lodge]

Ep 5 will be the freeside episode imo

[jovial viper]

pause

wydm deathclaws are prewar

[raven stone]

Ep6 is hinting imo House as he’s gaming the system

or its Yes Man

as he hasnt gotten the title card like the other factions

[burnt yew]

They were prewar bioweapons

[raven stone]

House got “The man who knew”

[void condor]

Also why is the legion so small

[jovial viper]

was thinking by "demons" they meant either the commies or the Americans during the war they had in Alaska

[tender shadow]

they are pre war, made by the US military same as the super mutants they are also technically pre war

[void condor]

It feels loke those two secluded chapters where a branch

[raven stone]

its 15 years later and ceasar had a brain tumor

people probably ran away or became separated

[void condor]

Yeah, but to fit them all inside two camps

I would like them to be dead dont get me wrong but it feels kind of off

[cursive flare]

Man, I really need a higher quality version of that map. I'm going crazy thinking about the implications.

[void condor]

Same way whit the ncr veing almost extinct

[burnt yew]

According to the bos map the legion still control a massive territory

[raven stone]

the show imo kinda does a bad job with scale and location placement

like yea novac is sadly incorrect

[tender shadow]

"demon" makes me think deathclaw
as there really isnt anything else that could be considered a demon
and if its commies then it would be "demons" as in multiple

[burnt yew]

Lmao

[jovial viper]

WHEN WERE YEHY PREWARR WHAT

[bright scroll]

Yao Guai are pre war too

[cursive flare]

Fallout 2 manual

[opaque relic]

Guess canon Courier Six didn't blow up those securitrons so... Those skirt boys got massacred by happy robots

[jovial viper]

HWTA

[proud sorrel]

Just had an interesting thought while hoovering Xander was definitely just buttering up Max, his "version" of the Brotherhood is that people like Maximus (ie knights, paladins) are in charge and are listened to.

Not that the brotherhood is more fair, or treats anyone better, rather he would be calling the shots, than get called out by another group.

It's not so much providing a new vision of the Brotherhood, rather that Maximus would take over the leadership and existing power structure of his chapter

[raven stone]

Im also assuming the legion camp at fort hill shrank due to all the securitrons raiding it

[tender shadow]

they are designed to be a sort of close combat specialist for the us military to replace its soldiers for that job

[void condor]

It seems so but it could be something else

The show likes to do weird styff

[raven stone]

Since only the courier could have used the chip

Benny was captured

[tender shadow]

the screen was glitching out tho
we see the same sort of thing with the securitrons in Old World Blues

[void condor]

Next thing we know is benny is alive somewhere

[jovial viper]

and now there's copious amounts of images of them on the internet doing very normal things

[void condor]

But yeah, maybe ut was yess man the one that modified Victor

[opaque relic]

Something happened to House

[raven stone]

honestly with the actor pass away. If he was around i feel he’d have a cameo but its probably safe to say benny isnt really in the living either ig

[void condor]

Is kind of weird too the fact that there are two ncr remnants for 20 yeats without anyone finding them

[opaque relic]

Nah, bro is literally dead irl rip

[void condor]

Shame to be bonest, same whit a lot of them

[raven stone]

Because the only way benny could be freed was by the courier as well and u can just leave him crucified

[dark anchor]

He was assassinated, character assassinated

[tender shadow]

my money is on Yes Man being the canon ending and what we see is New Vegas in anarchy like we can see in one of the ending slides

[opaque relic]

Holy, it's Benny, welcome back you fink!

[vague lodge]

theres more then teo

its like 5-10 probs

[raven stone]

Maldavor’s NCR was more like a small settlement

Vault 4 also had NCR citizens

[void condor]

Isnt that the ending only if you destroy the bunker?

[raven stone]

And now we have a battalion east of shady sands

and the rangers near primm

So technically theres 4 settlements containing remnants of NCR

[void condor]

Kind of fitting dor bethesda worldview though

[vague lodge]

You see 3 rangers in the camp at least and then a few regular troops

[dark anchor]

It's kinda sad how they made civilisation completely crumble in the show when it was previously thriving

[burnt yew]

Tbf if the bos are in the boneyard It makes sense those ncr rangers wouldn't be able to make it to a battle one east of ss

[raven stone]

It seems maximus chapter shifted to area 51

[opaque relic]

Which makes the "best ending" look like hell

The show runners are NCR shills /s

[burnt yew]

True thats a good point

[tender shadow]

you dont need the bunker to have the MK2 securitrons
you get the MK2 securitrons when yes man or house upgrades them
the bunker just gets you more securitrons

[void condor]

I thing they are just gonna do a mistmatch of endings

[burnt yew]

They might not be aware of it tho

[void condor]

Fuck, so the worse ending

[opaque relic]

Also wdym by character assassination, I thought you didn't like Mr. House

[burnt yew]

According to what showrunners have said in interviews rather than selecting a canon ending theyre gonna try and make it so all factions think they won in their own way

[tender shadow]

yea they really are, we can see that in how powerfull the NCR is in the show
like they are a HUUUUGE army! sarcasm

[raven stone]

no u do need to take the chip to the fort

[jovial viper]

well finished EP3.

the plot be thickening

[burnt yew]

I mean yes man was never a guaranteed good ending we only saw short term effects but had no idea what could have happened long term

[dark anchor]

I think he's a well written and complex character who was simplified to a total villain in the show tbh, I like the show but not this

[fickle marten]

that's only for more securitrons, the strip has a small amount that gets upped to mk2 when house gets the chip

[burnt yew]

And the cut yes man content implied nothing good would have come from independent ending

[void condor]

At least i hope that there is an ncr batallion somewhere, fucking 10 dudes is awful but the amazon description hints at them being just remnants

[tender shadow]

you see a demonstration of the upgrade in the lucky38 basement tho
which happens usually before the bunker

[noble owl]

i get the feeling trying to pull a 'acytually no ending is truly canon and everyone lost but is still around' will sink the season a bit

[burnt yew]

There might still be more nuance to him, I know the first seen is a bit off but theres more to see from house this season

[raven stone]

i thought this only happened after doing the task at the fort

[jovial viper]

Maximus is, hopefully, coming to the realisation that the Brotherhood aren't these infallible good guys wanting the best for humanity.

[noble owl]

like i love the show, but tip toeing around what ending is canon is doing more harm than good

[vague lodge]

Thats why he's probs gonna try join the NCR

[tender shadow]

no, it happens usually before the fort
it can happen after the fort but usually happens before it when you deliver the chip to house/yes man

[vague lodge]

where he gets the Ranger PA

[burnt yew]

Yeah this seems to be the biggest running theory rn

[dark anchor]

I sure hope so, cause he did not help launch the nukes

[noble owl]

well, rejoin, hes technically still a ncr citizen

[tender shadow]

maximus joining the NCR and helping them take back control? maybe? hopefully?

[jovial viper]

his moral compass keeps swinging and it has me genuinely tweaking out in apprehension 😭

the NCR would be a better place for him… hopefully…

[noble owl]

just one they assumed got atomised

[fickle marten]

who was cooper talking to in the bathroom at the veterans thing was it house

[burnt yew]

Nono that was purely just something moldover and tbe others thought but it wasn't true they were wrong

[jovial viper]

no it was that other dude who created those mind control chips

[raven stone]

No it was a Synth obv

[noble owl]

remember the whole 'house will launch them' is moldavers dumbass assuming

[burnt yew]

They didnt know what the missile defense array was for

[jovial viper]

he looks a lot like house so it's confusing

[dark anchor]

I mean yeah but the show heavily hints at the fact that he did

[raven stone]

Its already confirmed the other was a body double

[burnt yew]

I mean im under the belief that that is house and the tv one is a body double

[noble owl]

coops gonna go to vegas, try to get into houses big ol computer office room thingy. and house will exposite on him

[jovial viper]

WAIT WHAT

ohhhhh yeahahahhaa

[opaque relic]

Do you think he's 💯 still alive? If so, will they try to kill him off by the end of this season?

[jovial viper]

damn im slow today

[burnt yew]

I dont think so, it puts guilt on him because he was a leading capitalist in the prewar but anything about him launching the nukes is just conjecture from biased characters

[noble owl]

you know whats funny, i genuinely thought the house in the toilet was the double. that shot was filmed really well

[raven stone]

compare mustache sizes

[dark anchor]

I really hope they don't kill him off, I'd rather he already be dead tbf

[noble owl]

and yes, moldavor is hella biased and also not very in the know.

[raven stone]

gotta always keep track

[jovial viper]

so… house wants to go to Mars… but also mind control people… that doesn't add up with New Vegas…….. but okay?

[noble owl]

basically all her decisions worsened things in s1

[dark anchor]

I hope you're right

[raven stone]

idk if maldavor will show up more this season

[noble owl]

probably will but maybe only a few more scenes before it fully commits to the post war storys

he'll no doubt go back to her and tell her what house is actually doing. ie saving vegas

[raven stone]

it’ll prob be by the end of season 3 the show commits to post war

[dark anchor]

Fr why would he even need to hire couriers and why would benny betray him then

[burnt yew]

Everything in nv and house plan in that game still work. As of right now its likely the mind control was just a device he invented and then sold to vault tec

[opaque relic]

I'm kinda curious how he managed to remain so open-minded about mutated humans when he's raised by the BoS

Kids are prone to be brainwashed

[noble owl]

its funny cus if the nukes had dropped maybe a month later house could have feasibly saved dozens of cities. though iirc he says he never would have intended to

he was like a few hours away from actually saving vegas fully

[burnt yew]

The platinum chip would have arrived one day late

[raven stone]

shooting kids isnt nessecarily something you can just accept plus i dont think hes ever clearly seen children being killed

he was sheltered in the BOS camps most of his life

[noble owl]

thats also why im a bit confuzzled about why people are saying this is charactor assasination. like are we talking about the same guy

[outer stirrup]

🙂‍↕️

[raven stone]

all hes done is shoot ghouls and robots

[dark anchor]

What company did he use lmao

[burnt yew]

Clearly amazon prime didnt exist in fallout :(

[noble owl]

think this is just another instance of him havign a warped perception of time. s2 ep 1 basically confirmed that

[jovial viper]

with the kids it makes sense (given his own past experience of being rescued as a kid by the Brotherhood. and also, y'know, people tend to have more sympathy for kids than adults) but for everyone else? yeah, kinda odd - especially with how prone he is to being easily manipulated; swayed.

[jovial viper]

there were probably ghouls in Shady Sands, but i'm not sure.

[noble owl]

he says he visited dinky 25 years ago. but s1 stated he was buried for over 30 years. so bros basically just mentally blocking how time works

[dark anchor]

I think Amazon is actually really good for their delivery everything arrives on time even early, so house clearly didn't use em

[noble owl]

which makes sense

[opaque relic]

It's not just that, he didn't even think Vault 4 ppl were weird when Lucy asked him to look at the Cyclops overseer

[cursive flare]

Lol the map is apparently a fan map

[void condor]

He probably didnt count it in the coffin either

[noble owl]

max is good hearted but easily manipulated

[burnt yew]

Does this even make sense

[cursive flare]

https://www.deviantart.com/plkp1830/art/Fallout-West-Coast-in-the-year-2281-1065484775

[burnt yew]

Hes referring to the shady sands nuking isn't he

[noble owl]

yes. as i just said

[outer stirrup]

Oh I know but they should stop. They know people are fast to rush and complain

[raven stone]

he immediately assumed it was a cult

[outer stirrup]

Yes

[noble owl]

nuking and fall arent the same thing but as i said. hes just got a warped time perceptiom

[raven stone]

he was the one that warned lucy

[noble owl]

also remeber theres no goddam watches lol.

[cursive flare]

That would put those black circles over San Fran and the state of Shady (or whatever its called now)

[proud sorrel]

What face did the securitron have when Xander and Max were fighting it

[jovial viper]

ironic given how he himself is in a cult 😭

[void condor]

There sure are he just doesn has one

[proud sorrel]

Was it the army man?

[noble owl]

people are basically making vague guesses at time passing for the most part. and its pretty clear hes not entirely all there

[burnt yew]

Oh wait did i miss this, what did the ghoul say in ep1

[jovial viper]

the military one mainly

[void condor]

Pip boys are probably rare and he doesnt like vault tex either

[raven stone]

hes at least self aware

[proud sorrel]

Oh nice to implied that house did get the platinum chip

As the police version can't fire missiles

[noble owl]

hes spent over 200 goddam years as a walking corpse disillusioned with life , hes not gonna be the most accurate time wise

[jovial viper]

ish…? he's getting there.

[opaque relic]

Oh yeah, Shady Sands PTSD definitely was a factor
We did see he's already cool with mutated (adult) humans in S1 tho
Makes me wonder if it's got something to do with his NCR childhood

[noble owl]

20 years 10 years its all the same to a ghoull

[dark anchor]

Raul is going senile so this makes sense

[hearty ether]

s

[jovial viper]

fingers crossed 🤞

[noble owl]

hes not neccesarily going nuts. though he has started the feralisation. hes jsut staving it off from properly starting. hes jsut fuckin old

[burnt yew]

Also I know the fall and nuking of shady sands are seperatr but what do we think the fall refers to since it looks fine in the flash ack

[void condor]

Raul code was messed

Wich probably hints at yess man

[noble owl]

ahh but it doesnt look fine

[tacit birch]

house always wins

[noble owl]

remeber maxs parents refer to rations

and being able to get pure water again now

[burnt yew]

Hmm true thats interesting

[raven stone]

It was warned the NCR would suffer a famine in a questline

[noble owl]

like this is one of the instances i feel people are genueinly not watching the show because its not even like its shown not told.

[raven stone]

there was a food shortage that would happen

[noble owl]

its quite clearly stated in no uncertain times that things are bad enough they are havign to ration and use non purified water

[jovial viper]

the pure water was from them tapping into Vault 33 and 32's supply, right? that's how Rose found out about them - or am i wrong?

[noble owl]

ye

[jovial viper]

cool

[noble owl]

but maybe not exactly because of maxs dad

just the general finding of the source

[void condor]

What happened to the other nig cities is something we dont know either, but vault city should have been able to survive the ncr

[opaque relic]

He only told Lucy that cos he thought the fact that everyone in Vault 4 looking so friendly and cheerful was SUS

The BoS are more stoic and there's a clear hierarchy

A lot of ppl bullied him

[raven stone]

Since we knew the NCR was going to have a food shortage. Its possible they started to use other alternatives such as Vault 32/33 and thats how this all started

[noble owl]

shady in the show might not even be the og

[void condor]

Knights playing whit plasma grenades in the elder meeting

[noble owl]

might just be 'a' shady since its even more drastic a location change than 1 and 2 had

[raven stone]

its kinda just clear shady sands was probably retconned honestly

[noble owl]

good local too. coastline. city allready sorta there. og shady was large but like, in the middle of bumfuck nowhere

[burnt yew]

But then wouldnt the f2 location be considered the "first" capital of the ncr

[raven stone]

theres no evidence besides fan theories shady sands was relocated

shady sands was always inconsistent

Fo1 and 2 were diff spots

[noble owl]

true, i just like to come up with a reasonm

1 and 2 are sorta bad in their actual landscape

[raven stone]

They werent accurate at all and the games didnt do a good job matching the actual geography of Southern california

Its just a wild change that shady sands is near the Griffith park

[noble owl]

the crators are also invocative of bombs like 100 times more powerful than tsar bomba

reality wasnt really used in early fallouts

[raven stone]

i just think personally this is just a location retcon

[noble owl]

whcih is fine

[void condor]

the show and franchise in general feel like a weird fever dream due to how hard is to represent lore acurrate stuff an the lack of ways to clarify it

[noble owl]

its location makes way more sense

[opaque relic]

Not talking about the meatheads, the clerics are power hungry pseudo-religious zealots

Meanwhile the overseer of vault 4 is basically Jerry

[raven stone]

it makes sense considering u’d want ur state near another state in terms of borders

[noble owl]

youve got the coastal area, possible water source if they get desalination centuries later. a city allready partially there

[raven stone]

like yea u want shady sands near the boneyard and hub

[jovial viper]

cool geography discussion guys
-# im not American i have no idea wtf any of this means

[noble owl]

also they have the massive dockyards

[raven stone]

Because if u look at fallout 1’s map. Shady sands is so far from the bone yard no wonder the NCR had trouble with supply lines. Its separated by a mountain line

[noble owl]

like, overall it makes way more sense

[dusty wagon]

My money is the NCR ending is canon but ever since shady sands blew up everything went to shit in the south

[noble owl]

its jsut they clearly fell into an energy crisis same as pre war. hence the damn

[timid echo]

So The Ghoul Is Just the Courier now?

[void condor]

Yeah, but at least he has a functional vault

[noble owl]

war never changes

[void condor]

Wich is kind of hard specially whit refugees

[jovial viper]

honestly it seems to be heavily implied

not like wholly the courier

[noble owl]

that would be immensly cringe tbh i doubt they go that far

[jovial viper]

but he took on some of that role, from what it seems

[noble owl]

hes jsut lived so long he knows every major player

[opaque relic]

No, Mr. House dies in NCR ending

Moore literally said she'll send other ppl to kill House if you leave him alive

[timid echo]

Yeah I think so

[void condor]

The ghoul seems to represent a version of what the courier could be, aka off brand courier

[dusty wagon]

How do we know this is the same ‘house’

[noble owl]

house clearly aint dead unless its yes man

[void condor]

Like an equivalent

Dust courier too, kind of funny

[raven stone]

well its more so House used Cooper and hes clearly gonna manipulate him later in the season

[carmine vault]

Curious how given only courier was allowed in the 38

[opaque relic]

You mean it's then

[raven stone]

House is fully aware cooper is spying on him and will probably use him to spy on vault tec

[fierce kettle]

Do y'all reckon we're ever going to see a psyker in the TV show

[raven stone]

Maldavor aint slick

[dusty wagon]

I don’t know who it could be

Maybe

[void condor]

But he is sane and in a not so fucked uo place

Hey, at least is not dust

[noble owl]

moldaver is esntially the opposite side of the coin to house

the same general thing but opposed due to the game its played in

[void condor]

He is really useful

[fierce kettle]

like even one with abilities as subtle as Mama Murphy who can see the future

[dusty wagon]

don’t she just want a NCR city

[carmine vault]

Well we know houses misseles are his defence

[noble owl]

pre war i mean

[raven stone]

Thing is i dont rlly like Moldaver even as a anti-hero. Her motives are cold fusion but she seems pretty selfish

[burnt yew]

Idk they dint seem to be going with the psychic powers thing in the tv show we haven't even seen laser weapons yet but ig anythings possible

[noble owl]

post war she gets maybe like 20 years max before she gets bos'd

[raven stone]

i think she is evil

[jovial viper]

he's probably alive for "omg it's house! no way " reasons… or alive in a digital way.

[noble owl]

shes not evil shes just hypocritical

[void condor]

She wanted to make the world a better place, the ncr happened to be there and an useful way to achieve it

[fierce kettle]

huh now that you mention it the most we got was a plasma grenade

they also weren't afraid to show a straight up Zetan so the odds of a psyker aren't far-fetched

[noble owl]

moldaver has a laz rifle (wrong franchise i know) in s1

but no non ballistic weapons are used

[burnt yew]

True

[opaque relic]

Think it was cut content but NCR managed to reprogram the securitrons after they won the battle, so they did manage to take control of Lucky 38

The Legion would also turn the Casino into Caesar's new palace in their ending actually

[raven stone]

The closest u get for an energy weapon is the Ghoul using the Gauss Rifle soon

[noble owl]

the commonwealth bos if we see it will likely have lazer weapons in abundance

[raven stone]

Its prob just gonna be ship warfare

they probably wont even step on foot

[noble owl]

(to speak nothing of the walking lazer weapon)

[burnt yew]

Maximus gets a laser pistol

Likely next episode

[jovial viper]

psyker's haven't even been mentioned at all since fo2 or fo1 iirc. they're quite an old bit of lore. the closest we've gotten is Mama Murphy in fo4.

[raven stone]

if i remember he swaps it back for a 10mm in a trailer

[fierce kettle]

I wonder if the commonwealth will view the west BoS as a big enough threat to deploy Liberty Prime. They should save that for season 3 if we go east

[raven stone]

In one of the “in this season” trailer maximus swaps back to the classic colt 6520

[void condor]

Wh had the vaticinator in nv and mamma murphy

[proud sorrel]

Is max going to tell Quintus that he killed xander

[noble owl]

i get the feeling xanders 'the commonwealth is in a bad place' was just a lie to get max to sneak him the cold fusion tech

[raven stone]

Well no because then he’d have to snitch on thaddeus

[fierce kettle]

we also have some psychic powers as mutations in 76 or at least flavor text of it

[proud sorrel]

How is max going to get back to Area 51 without the vertibird or Xander

[burnt yew]

Now this is a question

[raven stone]

he’ll prob pilot the vertibird tbh

[tacit birch]

isnt the vertiberd fine

[noble owl]

he could just call for help

[tacit birch]

yeah

[timid echo]

Where Is Yes Man? It must be a character or I will be upset

[burnt yew]

Maybe they dont get back and the conflict will happen before they return

[jovial viper]

he hasn’t flown one yet

[noble owl]

tell the ghoul kids to leave with thaddeus and say the securitron did it

[burnt yew]

Oh acc they need to get back for maximus to nab cold fusion

[tender shadow]

i hope so
as i dont know why the commonwealth would need cold fusion in order to survive

[tacit birch]

first time's the charm

[raven stone]

well u can see in a trailer thaddeus is in a break room with all the other aspirants

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-gif-2126390133540911401

[burnt yew]

One could argue fusion cores run ing out but otherwise I agree

[noble owl]

just pose the securitron over his corpse and say he did it

[raven stone]

the conflict probably doesnt happen maybe until episode 5 ig

because ep4 seems focused on Pre war

[burnt yew]

Oh okay

[void condor]

What is even the point of making everithing so fucked up ans to destroy the civilización we saw in fallout nv

[noble owl]

the quintus chapter is thick , theyll buy it

[raven stone]

war something something never changes

[void condor]

Budget probably but is a downer

[burnt yew]

War never changes ig lol

[tender shadow]

there really is only 1 faction in the commonwealth that could really need cold fusion and thats the institute lol

[jovial viper]

John "war never changes" Fallout

[noble owl]

if he was a synth that would sorta explain things. but the only ending they survive is theirs isnt it

and in that the bos get libertied

[raven stone]

The point is these factions are refusing to let go. the NCR is trying to reuse a philosophy of the old word system and yet that same system is what ended the world. The Legion is using an outdated system.

[outer stirrup]

Probably not needed. I think some of the west coast chapters will attack Quintus to get on the commonwealths good side

[raven stone]

while yea it sucks they shrunk its also the fact this was foreshadowed anyway

[jovial viper]

well, the Minutemen would want to to help everyone… but yeah

[timid echo]

Mr House predicted it

[noble owl]

the ncr was shown as in a bad state as early as vegas

[jovial viper]

spread too thin

[timid echo]

Well It was not dead like now

[jovial viper]

poor resource management

[noble owl]

taking the damn was a power play because like pre war us, they used up all the resources

[tender shadow]

but they dont NEED it
the BOS doesnt NEED it either at least not what we have seen in the games

[raven stone]

War never changes is just a reoccurring message because nobody learns

[noble owl]

its like poetry, it rhymes

[timid echo]

Maybe something bad happened and now they Need it

[opaque relic]

The institute already had their reactor

I doubt they'll give us some Institute remnant faction in this show

[noble owl]

to quote space opera man

[burnt yew]

I agree but it is a decade after f04 any kind of issues couldve turned up

[raven stone]

i think institute is dead

blown up

gone

Why?

because minutemen vs BOS is cooler

[jovial viper]

i can't remember what the institute mainly used for their source of electricity… but no doubt they'd need it for their work.

[raven stone]

BOS losing to a bunch of farmers and artillery

thats sick af

[noble owl]

lets be real harkness is just an example of the 4 bos taken a bit more hardline and with no seniors around

[raven stone]

Tbf harkness has a point. The clerks are wasting everyones time

[void condor]

House was hinted at restarting the world and smaller factions like jacobstowm to making something in the future, the main problem is nothing new getting born or any significant change

[tender shadow]

thats my take as well
without Maxson there really isnt anything stopping them from just killing all the things they hate

[timid echo]

The ghoul grandchild Is probably leading It

[raven stone]

since season 1 yea we are aware brotherhood knights are sent off looking for literal toasters which id exaggerative but u get the point

[noble owl]

they shoot ferals on sight, and only allow hancock because hes with you, they spout blatantly racist stuff at him the whole time on the prydwin and 3s openly state they shoot any ghoul coming out of underworld

[burnt yew]

I mean house is the biggest regurgitation of the old world. He literally rebuilt vegas on its old world image

[noble owl]

this isnt new

[jovial viper]

everyone would benefit from cold fusion. no one really needs it per say, but they also do…? idk

[raven stone]

like the reason the east coast was so well off was because they accepted recruits and got shit done

[opaque relic]

Basically the reactor that you'll need to blow up in non-institue endings

[burnt yew]

The bos runs on fusion cores i can see why they'd need cole fusion as time went on

[noble owl]

as progressive as lyons chapter was compared to others and 4s the core tennent of hating mutants was stronger than even maxsons revived

[jovial viper]

okay so… no one really needs cold fusion, but it's a pretty handy thing to have

[noble owl]

and since the outcasts were brought back in that likely got worse

[void condor]

Also wasnt the original fallout war never changes a way of explaining that the causes and comsequences never changes but humanity carries on? (New reno and shady sands being functional, the mojave being that way because is 10 years since it was re taken and is already functional again)

[raven stone]

House needed it

[jovial viper]

watching that outcast mf in fo3 put on the enclave armour i gave him 💀

[timid echo]

Humanity Will Always find a way to fuck things up

[jovial viper]

good point

[burnt yew]

I mean cold fusion is literally limitless energy its a pretty important deal for anyone

[sonic yarrow]

That super sledge to the skull definitely fucking killed him, right?

[raven stone]

it does seem like cold fusion will be given to House and thats how he makes a come back

[void condor]

That seems to be a modern take, but the actual one sadly

[raven stone]

its a slab of steel with a rocket

what do u think

[void condor]

Fallout logic says to use a stimpak

[sonic yarrow]

I dunno. Could go either way, it's Fallout.

[void condor]

[raven stone]

I dont think bro gonna be functioning very well

[sonic yarrow]

At the very least, severe fucking brain damage 😭

[jovial viper]

he ain't coming back from that tho

[opaque relic]

So far the show is telling us that the cold fusion diode mcguffin will be the new "platinum chip"

Brotherhood chapters, House, NCR and perhaps the Enclave, they're all willing to fight over it

[timid echo]

He could Just reload, skill issue

[burnt yew]

Slap some moisturiser on and good as new

[raven stone]

just reload a save

[outer stirrup]

Do y’all think cold fusion will get destroyed before it’s able to benefit any of the factions?

[raven stone]

i kinda hope s3 moves on from this cold fusion stuff

idrc

[jovial viper]

https://tenor.com/view/drwho-moisturizeme-dr-who-moisturize-gif-27644160

[timid echo]

It Will not be the First to survive a deadly wound in the head

[void condor]

Its on brand whit the new franchise way

[copper ocean]

My guess? Lucy destroys it herself.

[shrewd lily]

Holy shit what an episode

[burnt yew]

I genuinely think it'll be used to revive the ncr but I cant imagine it would be wise narratively for them to have it forever

[jovial viper]

i just wanna know where tf Janey and Barb are

[raven stone]

Like i want s3 to just be about faction conflicts and their philosophies ig. The cold fusion kinda exists as a “its there to get everyone together”

[copper ocean]

After all, if all the cold fusion thing does is cause endless squabbling over who gets it, Lucy might just employ teacher logic and go with the 'fine, now no one gets it' strategy.

[shrewd lily]

I was looking forward to Harkness and Maximus being bros

[tender shadow]

the NCR reclaims the west coast and the BOS gets kicked back to the east coast

[void condor]

Also isnt it funny that when asked who they are at war whit the legion goes

Ncr... And the khans

[jovial viper]

in which case would solve nothing 😭

[sonic yarrow]

me too 😭

[burnt yew]

The problem with destroying cold fusion is youre removing the opportunity from lots of good from actuslly happened ing cause all that energy could make a ton of a positive difference in the wasteland

[raven stone]

honestly i’d be more concerned about the brotherhood than the goddamn NCR at this rate

They got airships

[copper ocean]

Good luck trying to wipe out the Khans; Vault Dweller and Chosen One tried it, and they just respawned under a different name.

[raven stone]

They are like a pimple that wont go

[supple crypt]

Maaan Xander didn't last long. He got crit by our boy Maximus! Even while in power armor. Bet he regrets giving the super sledge to a melee spec knight XD

[jovial viper]

each civilisation is built upon the rubble, ash, and echos of the previous one

[noble owl]

harkness is probably the straw that broke the camels back

[sonic yarrow]

war sometimes differs

[shrewd lily]

The west coast Brotherhood are done for

[raven stone]

i hope we can just kill off maximus chapter already

i need this cleric guy quintus gone

[noble owl]

he saw someone he thought was better than his chapter. who he could call brother. and then he goes and tries to kill some kids because their radified

hes gonna get more disallusioned

[copper ocean]

I swear, is the entire Brotherhood just unsalvageable at this point?

[raven stone]

they were supposed to be in fallout 2

But they keep coming back

[proud sorrel]

This is how they've always been

[supple crypt]

honestly, I say good riddence. The west coast brotherhood don't feel like the brotherhood I came to know and love. Too religious cult-like and they let recruits beat the crap out of each other and there were 2 bloody knights playing with an active plasma grenade.

[jovial viper]

it was doomed from the beginning.

[raven stone]

Needa show their place

[sonic yarrow]

im obsessed with the yosemite elder, man. i wanna see what's going on in the yosemite anyway, curious

[supple crypt]

So they need to go

[proud sorrel]

They're a techno dictatorship

[raven stone]

was that the mysoginistic one or the robot sex one

[outer stirrup]

The Canyon is good trust

[proud sorrel]

The "West Coast Brotherhood" you mean 1 chapter

[sonic yarrow]

the big pacific islander lookin lady

[proud sorrel]

Who have been called out as being especially weird

[shrewd lily]

The Cooper flashback combined with him betraying the Legion was sooo good

[copper ocean]

Ya got the West Coast who might as well be raiders LARP'ing as Brotherhood, East Coast are at least professional but might as well be diet Enclave, and the Midwestern fellas have been MIA since Tactics.

[carmine vault]

But the legion need you to get in

[supple crypt]

I still support the commonwealth brotherhood but yeah my boy saving innocent kids, Maximus is probably the best thing that came out of them lunatics

[visual cedar]

Should’ve shot them kids

[opaque relic]

You're just into robots, we get it

[raven stone]

her clothing gave off viking vibes idk

[proud sorrel]

The Yosemite Elder even just said that Quintus' gave the wrong speech for her to support him

[raven stone]

maybe more raider-like

they prob bust down ur door and take ur laser gun

[copper ocean]

Funny how anyone with half a lick of decency in the organization winds up either defecting or utterly miserable.

[supple crypt]

"I told you, I don't believe in that religious crap. Just give them the relic"