EPISODE 5

[spark cloud]

That squire was well within his right to fuck that robot!

[chilly oasis]

They're synths, ignore them

[fading plover]

honestly i like this talkshow

[shy apex]

thewy knew what they were doing

[storm tulip]

Omagah what if we see a synth in the ending and Hank was actually a pre-war synth. DUn dun duuuuuun

[spark cloud]

Of course they did, you can do quests and make her your girlfriend

[storm tulip]

Everyone put on yer tin foil hats, hes a synth created by the enclave to infiltrate vault-tec for their own nefarious means

[chilly oasis]

Erm, acshually, Synths didn't exist back then and Hank literally ages in the show so he can't be a synth

[spark cloud]

You get the Lovers Embrace bonus for sleeping with Adelaide

Gen 3 Synths can age though

[storm tulip]

Erm im WRight and yer Rong

hahaha x3

[solemn geyser]

can we bring back the dwarfs to fallout

[chilly oasis]

Gen 3 synths weren't invented until way way, post war. And as far as we know, Hank spent most of that time in the Vault.

[solemn geyser]

idk i liked dwarfs in fallout they r cool

Just these little guys yk

[fierce arch]

The fact you can ACTUALLY interface Adelaide is crazy. Lmao

[storm tulip]

Ngl the biggest lore drop to me still are Deathclaws being deployed pre war in Alaska since this was unconfirmed until now

[plucky knot]

Wha the fuck did I just see

[storm tulip]

I was like WHAT in Anchorage??

[storm tulip]

u fr

[solemn geyser]

i am short

[fierce arch]

Adelaide is a companion you get in FO76, she's an assaultron you can romance.

"Interfacing" with her gives you bonus damage against robots. Comes in handy for raid farming.

[storm tulip]

Man, i wish i can play 76.. my pc cant run it anymore. I used to be able to play it. I really liked the community

everyone gave me freebies to roll legendaries with

[quick lichen]

I'm a ghoul on there 😄

[storm tulip]

and just make u their stimpack & resources dumping ground

[topaz fiber]

Ghoul has to be a marked man type variant right, like none of the other ghouls in the show has his same type of skin, they all have the fo3 style ghoul skin, but there's coop who looks like a marked man

[shy apex]

marked man? what

[topaz fiber]

The divide

[supple hemlock]

So mr house Is dead

[shy apex]

those are skinless ghouls,

[fierce arch]

No

[oblique tulip]

Lonesome road

[chilly oasis]

Marked men are also bullet sponges in Lonesome Road, can take a fuck ton of damage.

Hmmmmm......

[supple hemlock]

According to the end credit

[topaz fiber]

Right regular ghouls do not survive being impaled

[fierce arch]

End credits aren't canon

[shy apex]

i know what they are im just confused as to why hes refferign to them when their whole shitck is being skinless

[fading plover]

Me in 10 years

[shy apex]

theyre ghouls reliant on radiation to keep living because theyve been flayed

[quick lichen]

F03 right?

[supple hemlock]

why do them then?

[fierce arch]

Because they're just concept/key art.

[fading plover]

FNV, DLC, Lonesome Road

[shy apex]

they have to heal constantly because theyd die otherwise. and its immensly painful. thats never been cooper

[chilly oasis]

We found our conclusion. Coop is a marked man.

[fading plover]

but what the fuck is this

[supple hemlock]

these scenes have deep meanings

[quick lichen]

Aaaah yes

[oblique tulip]

The ghoul worker you hirer for atomic wrangler surley does

[chilly oasis]

I thought that was a sleeping deathclaw?

[fading plover]

that does not look like a deathclaw i wiill be honest

[spark cloud]

You can stick your quantum harmonizer in her photonic resonator chamber

[fierce arch]

They don't. Lol none of them have been canon, or even close to it. The only key art that was a tease the showrunners confirmed was the s1 ending.

[oblique tulip]

Furry death claw?

[plucky knot]

No I know that I didn’t know you could hump her lmao

[fading plover]

no horns

[shy apex]

scorchbeast

[topaz fiber]

The ones we fight in the divide regenerate health because of the radiation in the area, cooper has shown to use a fusion core to heal wounds basically instantly, in guessing if he was in the same environment as the divide he'd be close to immortal

[plucky knot]

Tunneler?

[fierce arch]

The showrunners basically have said they're not canon, at all. They don't have meaning beyond just being keyart and concept art. They're not definitive or have huge lore implications behind them.

[plucky knot]

Maybe gorris?

[fading plover]

then it's a really big looking tunneler

[shy apex]

thats normal for ghouls, marked men arent normal ghouls

[chilly oasis]

So you're saying the tunnelers and Deathclaws are coexisting

[shy apex]

the whole reason theyre called marked men is because theyve been completely flayed

[oblique tulip]

Art is still hype tho

[plucky knot]

Everything in that hell hole is strong

[fierce arch]

You didn't? Her interfacing dialogue didn't give it away? Lmfao

[fierce arch]

Oh it is hype af don't get me wrong. I've loved each one. Lmfao

[plucky knot]

I never finished fallout 76 I just can’t get into it so I didn’t rlly pay attention to shit

[fading plover]

i maen it is probably meant to be a deathclaw but it looks weird.

[fierce arch]

It was the most in your face thing they've done in-game tbh. It was wild lol

[paper radish]

brb boutta send my brotherhood person away from my Area 51 FO76 base to bring in Adelaide

[fierce arch]

[shy apex]

the marked men were bullet sponged because they have to be constantly healing to not just die. theyve been completely skinned by the nuke winds and would pretty much fall apart if they werent constantly healing, the only way ghouls can heal is radiation

[quick lichen]

Ooo I'd love to see the base tbh

[spark cloud]

Welcome back darling. Now that you're here, how about we //ASSUME THE POSITION// ? "
Icon sound trigger

[fierce arch]

This. The marked men lore and Ghoul lore are vastly different. They're not the same at all.

[fierce arch]

Lmfao

[shy apex]

well, they are pretty much ghouls, just a variant unique to the divide

theyve become reliant on being there because if they left theyd fall apart like comical meat piles

[paper radish]

Would love to share it! after that ep. aired I rebuilt my base...I'll send a pic tonight when I do actually play & ping in one of the FO76 channel!

[shy apex]

cooper is not a marked one because that relies entirely on being in the divide when it got nuked. which he wasnt because if he was hed be skinned

and in immense pain, alllll the time

[whole totem]

Cooper's something else.

[shy apex]

yeah a ghoul lol

[whole totem]

He's a ghoul, but not a normal one. And we've seen normal ones.

[shy apex]

in what way, hes just the main charactor. hes got plot armour

[whole totem]

Both in game and in the show. No other ghoul can do what he does.

Taking a pole to the gut and then walking it off later isn't exactly normal for ghouls.

[spark cloud]

Did the marked men get skinned from the explosion or just bad circumstances?

[whole totem]

They were skinned by the sandstorms.

[shy apex]

the winds

[shy apex]

theyre ghouls, but skinned. which is sorta bad for life

[whole totem]

I love that image. lol

[shy apex]

i mean so is being a ghoul. but being skinned is worse when your actively allready necrotising

[whole totem]

Coop is also extremely well-preserved for a ghoul.

All he's really missing is his nose -- and a finger Lucy bit off.

[shy apex]

thats just show logic because its walton goggins

[nova minnow]

coop has a great skincare routine

[fading plover]

what if Rafi Silver actually IS Anthony House

[inner marten]

I think coop is a special ghoul

Non standard variant

[whole totem]

Stop. Don't even tempt the idiots.

[shy apex]

its also 4 logic, theyve shown that version of ghoul multiple times in the show, i think your making this out to be more than it is

hes a main charactor, and a 4 ghoul because its walton goggins

[quick lichen]

yesss

[whole totem]

He's better kept than even the Fallout 4 ghouls.

He has more of a Red Skull situation going on.

[oblique tulip]

F4 ghouls is less make up and easier to work with

[whole totem]

Did you see Roger last season? Blatant Fallout 4 ghoul. Looked worse than Cooper.

I'm just saying, Cooper's got some mutation that gives him better regen than the other ghouls.

[oblique tulip]

Ass jerky ghoul?

[whole totem]

Yeah, him.

[shy apex]

roger is a 3 ghoul?

[whole totem]

He isn't. He's a 4 ghoul.

[quick lichen]

The famously known virus P.LO.T A.R.M.O.U.R

[shy apex]

hes missing skin. hes a 3

[whole totem]

4 ghouls are missing skin on their foreheads too, in the exact same spot.

[shy apex]

the guy whos blue for some reason lucy saved and saw again at the ncr camp is a 4 ghoul

[whole totem]

This is absolutely a 4 ghoul.

The makeup is virtually identical.

[fading plover]

joking !

[shadow condor]

my theory is Dogmeat's an Enclave spy

[fierce arch]

[shy apex]

yeah but thats not skin being complely lost like in the show pic, thats a layer gone, its still skin under that thin layer. roger is bone

[whole totem]

So? Still a 4 ghoul.

[fierce arch]

Jokes aside, I'm glad Rafi researched his role, he did a great job.

[whole totem]

3/NV ghouls are basically molting their flesh.

[shadow condor]

agree 100% Thaddeus and Coop are not normal ghouls

we've seen Lucy kill normal ghouls

[whole totem]

Thaddeus isn't even a ghoul. He has a second mouth growing in his shoulder.

[shy apex]

those are ferals?

[shadow condor]

both have super healing

[shy apex]

she killed ferals

[whole totem]

Lots of mutants have that.

[fierce arch]

I imagine how it works is that if you've become a Ghoul through non-normal means, your automatically a level above those who have become a Ghoul through normal means.

[shadow condor]

why didnt the kings

[whole totem]

Because they are normal, feral ghouls.

[slow wadi]

Yknow they should really add the song Shenandoah to the fallout TV show. Imagine the ghoul singing it I think that real fans would love that

[fierce arch]

Because they were just radiation exposure, the normal way.

[supple hemlock]

Okok, this is better

[whole totem]

Yeah, probably. And isn't it hinted by the producer that Coop was experimented on?

[shadow condor]

yeah and Coop is something more, normal ghouls aren't bulletproof sane and then killable just from turning feral

[shy apex]

also because she shot them in the head

[oblique tulip]

Barb tested on coop? Twist

[shadow condor]

ye i think Coop was not a normal way

[shy apex]

its always been established canon that headshots will kill ghouls as well as anyone else. but limb shots dont

its why theyre insultingly called zombies in 1 and 2

[whole totem]

Ferals survive limb shots. Non-ferals don't.

[fierce arch]

Not necessarily. I'm just going off of 76's lore, Fallout 4's lore and the show, so far. All the people who have become ghouls through non-normal means are like a tier above the normal ones with certain feats.

[shy apex]

non ferals do its jsut not a gameplay mechanic

[whole totem]

Fair.

[shy apex]

ferals are different in that their brain doesnt work

non ferals are for all intents human, they feel pain, they love they laugh

[fierce arch]

Yeah, glowing ones can literally revive the dead and heal all wounds through gigantic waves of radiation being expended, as well. I imagine non-ferals just need a STUPID amount of radiation to do so.

[slow wadi]

I'm like an Alpha Ghoul if you will

[whole totem]

Their brain works, just not the higher cognitive functions that allow them to function as, well, people.

[shy apex]

non ferals are said to have no body heat, so their brain is likely massively necrotised

theyve lost the ability to regulate anger and hunger

[whole totem]

And we've only met one non-feral Glowing One.

[inner marten]

Yeah according to some game sources ferals have no heart beat or anything

[shy apex]

its heat iirc

heartbeat would mean theyre actually dead, and they arent, they still need their circulatory system to move and all that

[whole totem]

...Though imagine if once a ghoul goes feral they are actually basically one of the undead at that point.

[inner marten]

Its stages of-course

[whole totem]

I mean look what happened to Lucy's mom.

That poor woman.

[inner marten]

It’s a slow slip onto being feral, it’s not normal then cold walking corpse the next day

[shy apex]

though sometimes it is

[oblique tulip]

Andrew tate when your wife leaves you you gotta nuke a city and teach her a lesson

[inner marten]

Some are insane from the start but don’t have the same symptoms

[shy apex]

its different per person and per encounter

seems to be if they get too much radiation in the ghoulifying it ferals them instantly

[slow wadi]

Tbh I think ghouls are actually abominations, just saying that's my opinion

I also think tech should be protected hahaha

[oblique tulip]

But there just kids

[slow wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout4-elder-maxon-its-an-abomination-gif-16935360

[whole totem]

And the kids aren't even feral.

[slow wadi]

Hahahha guys! I'm not even in the bos I just realy get them and stuff hahah

[carmine bay]

Harkness was just sparing them a life of misery and pain

[whole totem]

I mean I also get them, for the most part, but there are lines and killing kids is one of them.

[carmine bay]

All those ghoul kids were actually alive for like a hundred years, ghouls don’t age

[whole totem]

I wonder where all those kids came from...

[shy apex]

ehhh, they do if all the other games are to be believed

[slow wadi]

The scene where the elder starts yelling at maxiboo is actually the best representation of the bos in the TV show. I think it shows how far they're willing to go for their beliefs. Even how some take enjoyment out of killing them because they're "abominations"

[whole totem]

Well, it shows how far the Knights of San Fernando are willing to go.

[shy apex]

remember the only examples we have of a ghoul kid not aging is billy, who almost certainly went into a hybernation of sorts

[whole totem]

Call me optimistic but I don't think Maxson's about killing kids.

[shy apex]

and is a very sus quest in that it almost certainly would have been changed if they werent just letting things in to get things in

raul aged, so its not even just 1 and 2 and tactics lore

its all the way up to 4s release , and only one ghoul kid to suggest they dont, who was in unique circumstances

[carmine bay]

I know he got arthritis but does he actually say he aged

I never used Raul as a companion so

[shy apex]

he was a teen when he ghoulified iirc

both billy and the guy who got burried for two months in f2 had unique circumstances which likely put them into a hybernation of sorts. ferals do this too

[carmine bay]

[shy apex]

at least in 4 which is relevent to billy. in fact ferals will be completely underwater sleeping entirely fine

[solemn geyser]

missed oppurtunity having Raul the Gunslinger have a chat with the Ghoul

[carmine bay]

They’d probably like each other

[shy apex]

its implied they can survive off background radiation if they need to

[carmine bay]

Well, at least the Ghoul would like him anyways. Not sure how Raul would feel about Coop.

[shy apex]

but doing that would have prevented billy actually growing, hed just be surviving at the bare minimum needed to not die

[solemn geyser]

so if i remember the reviewers hadnt seen episodes 7 or 8

[white mantle]

TROO FANS

[solemn geyser]

im gonna guess Episode 6 is more of a build up cliff hanger. Probably more pre war scenes. Lucy has discussions with her dad when she wakes up. We see Thaddeus and Max get to new vegas. and Vault 33 is gonna probably end up in a riot.

[lunar torrent]

the last episode of this season will most likely give us flashback scene where it is at least teased that pre-war Enclave was the one that dropped the bombs - with or without Chinese ones dropping at the time

[paper radish]

all the reviews I saw early on from reviewers definitely specified that they saw episodes 1-6, I never saw any that noted they saw the last two

[solemn geyser]

does it rlly matter who did what. End of the day everyone was nessecary to the development of Fallout. We werent in the room knowing what was going on

We only have dev notes and their say

[hybrid bough]

Avellone

[carmine bay]

Didn’t Avellone write Cass

[cinder sleet]

Cringe

[solemn geyser]

like as much as you may dislike certain people. End of the day they were responsible for making the thing u like

like i dont like Todd Howard but hes responsible for the elder scrolls as much as everyone else at bethesda at the time

[cinder sleet]

I mean yeah valid point I love FO2 more than FO1
Dosen´t mean I can´t criticize him

[solemn geyser]

ofc but im also saying personal criticism vs game criticism are completely different

[hazy axle]

The secret player House is talking about: https://youtu.be/S0ximxe4XtU?si=SyaC_fREdfh8ptDJ

[solemn geyser]

like yea Chris Avellone was responsible for writing knights of the old republic 2. One of my favorite games and I dont like what he says on twitter but end of the day. Dude is talented

[cinder sleet]

Alr yeah fine
It is sad to see how some can make something good only to then just make something not as good and then turn out to be a horrible person

[solemn geyser]

Separate the art from the artist basically

[shy apex]

that only works sometimes, its hard to seperate jk rowling from hers

[cinder sleet]

I still have to admit however
Not enough credit to John Gonzalez has been given
Hell I didn´t know who the guy was before last year how come

[solemn geyser]

lets be real thats just the issue with the game industry in general. We dont really award the artists we just reward the game

[hazy axle]

Mussolini mentioned

[white mantle]

There are like a dozen people who worked on different parts of all these games.

Everyone should get credit for stuff. I’m a Fred Zeleny man myself. He let me sleep on his couch once.

[solemn geyser]

like game awards imo should reward best game directors or artists so people can be known

end of the day sometimes people dont get very much credit cause they dont wanna be well known sometimes

Avallone is well known not because of just new vegas. He did Kotor 2 and other RPGs as well

[oblique tulip]

Soll Simping chris avellone?

[white mantle]

The lack of credit that various creatives in the industry get is a critique of the industry.

[solemn geyser]

i think its more tiring when the arguements just become "why is that guy so beloved when other guy does thing too" like we appreciate everyone who made fallout

like Adam Adamowiz worked on fallout 3, skyrim, fo4 concept art and thats great the dudes a legend but theres also im sure so many other artists but end of the day he just happened to be in the spotlight

because well the dude passed away and hes talented

[wary oxide]

@paper radish I removed your timeout due to a false flag hit on the censor... something you typed was mistakenly caught.

[cinder sleet]

Anyways about the show
Who do we think is controlling Vegas right now given that it seems that since the city seems to just been ping ponged since the Second Battle for the Dam

[paper radish]

lol thanks, I was just trying to figure out what got flagged lol I'm going to reword that anyway

[solemn geyser]

the strip imo is independent

[oblique tulip]

The deathclaws

[solemn geyser]

The strip at least freeside has basically become more like a hub. A trade center really or market place

[vapid island]

isnt this convenient for posted couple hrs ago

[solemn geyser]

House no longer rules but nobody can enter the strip due to the deathclaws

[paper radish]

basically - I think a large part about who gets credit when it comes to any creative things has to do with whoever intentionally gives themselves a presense online. Avellone has always been intentionally very public as a person. I don't think Gonzalez ever was.

[solemn geyser]

some just want their privacy respected especially

[cinder sleet]

Yeah no I should say that the option that it is just in some state of limbo rn given the NCR seems to have withdrawn from the Mojave and maybe the Legion too I think?

[solemn geyser]

I dont think vegas has a leading government currently. it doesnt have the structure

like nobody is mayor of freeside as far as we know

[cinder sleet]

Can we also assume the withdrawals and returns have become a common thing or are we not seeing more official presence from both parties given plot?

[solemn geyser]

The only faction that would be a community service is the Kings and Followers

they technically "rule" freeside in terms of service for others

[white mantle]

Seems like “nobody in particular”. Some rando killed a shopkeeper, the bartender says the Deathclaws are in charge, etc.

[solemn geyser]

Basically freesize is like a hub, its a market place for services and goods

Its self sustaining

which people argued House needs NCR to run the strip but we see here people are thriving due to lack of taxes

The thing is people are already indoctirined to the success of vegas they will want to do businesses here

[whole totem]

Yeah.

Well... not indoctrinated. That's something different. "Accustomed" is what I think you mean.

[cinder sleet]

I want NCR

[solemn geyser]

ye that

[cinder sleet]

I honestly would be happy with some confirmation of the NCR still holding in California given it is the homeland

It would literally not make sense to have them just totally collapsed

[solemn geyser]

they would still be governing states in San Diego (Dayglow), the hub, and Maxson

they are far apart from LA/shady

[cinder sleet]

And I really don´t think the implication is that they are collapsed

[whole totem]

One would hope so

[vapid island]

the ncr was streched thin and raveged by poverty the ncr fell its that simple

[whole totem]

Then why is California so shit?

[solemn geyser]

like if Bethesda made a fallout game set in Dayglow. You'd need to make it its own map due to how large San Diego is

[cinder sleet]

I worry about Dayglow
The Coronado Chapter is the reason
Unless they already are getting all killed in Area 51 lol

[solemn geyser]

they are def having their own conflicts and problems

[whole totem]

I mean, honestly, the NCR wouldn't have towns like Filly, or organizations like "The Govermint" running organ harvesting operations out of abandoned Super Duper Marts.

[cinder sleet]

I mean we have only really just seen Shady Sands and Northern LA metro ruins

[solemn geyser]

Im concluding boneyard and shady sands are no longer NCR states

im also concluding Boneyard became Shady Sands but im unsure

Boneyard and Shady Sands can coexist together being close but it also means both are basically gone and abandonded by NCR

[whole totem]

I'm not treating the relocation as canon, just a contrivance for the sake of the TV show medium.

[cinder sleet]

I would argue that the boneyard was always difficult to hold
Even with the population and industrial centers in Downtown and New Adytum you are still having to maneuver through a big city of ruin to get supplies and commerce and everything running

[carmine bay]

Watch it just be the lost battalion

[white mantle]

Nothing is confirmed until it’s confirmed, but things do not look good for the NCR as a functioning government at the moment.

[carmine bay]

I’m leaning on the side of the NCR being mostly gone atm going to be honest

Most of its states fractured with remnants littered about

[white mantle]

It’s certainly irrelevant to the plot at this point.

[solemn geyser]

i wish it was relevant in s1

[white mantle]

I think it has symbolic value more than anything else. Things were getting better, at least in small but meaningful ways.

[solemn geyser]

like technically i would have replaced the vault 4 episode instead as Shady Sands. Just have Hank blow up another place

that also has some significance to Moldavor

[carmine bay]

The NCR still being around to a significant degree would have weird implications on the plot of S1 as well

Them not actively helping with the acquisition of cold fusion would essentially be a plot hole imho.

[solemn geyser]

Lucy learning there are settlements out there that exist and maximus learning about his home would be a cool episode

cause i felt Vault 4 was kinda just filler episode

people theroized the hell out of it becaue it was in the trailer of the show

and its just revealed this is where gulpers came from. And now its a cult for moldavor

[spark cloud]

West Coast gulpers are not the same

[cinder sleet]

Like people get worried about not seeing the industry that is implied to be in the Boneyard since NV but the thing is I think that industry is located in the Adytum and Downtown parts of town
Parts of which we don´t go to I think

[solemn geyser]

ik that but in context of the show's gulper

[spark cloud]

They're so slimy and useless for anything except making moonshine

[cinder sleet]

So Adytum and Boneyard could just easily be acting as some larger Griffith-like scenario or just actually an independent thing on their own

[spark cloud]

I think the south NCR declared independence after Kimball gets domed by the Legion

[solemn geyser]

it just seems like the NCR didnt have a good control over the Boneyard

which would make sense because if i remembered. There are deathclaws in that area in the first game

so maybe they always struggled

[carmine bay]

The Khans are established to be present there so good chance that Adytum is also gone

[white mantle]

Vault 4 was important to establish that the Vaults are fucking sinister.

[topaz fjord]

So based on the idea moldovor was in khan company is it possible the people she led to vault 32 were actually khans whilst her ncr soldiers waited

[cinder sleet]

Which makes sense honestly
The deathclaws thing you mentioned plus
A good chunk of the environment is just ruins

[white mantle]

Both for us and especially for Lucy.

[solemn geyser]

yea but i felt like the episodes with Norm and Chet actually showed a better example

They did a better reveal the vaults are wild

[cinder sleet]

That or they are paying tribute to them

[white mantle]

Yes, but Lucy has to learn about it too. And we got Chris Parnell, who is always welcome.

[topaz fjord]

Could moldover entice khans to raid a vault

[white mantle]

Does she have caps?

[whole totem]

Vault 4 showed the best-case scenario with vault experiments. Vaults 31, 32, and 33 are worst-case.

[white mantle]

I’d suggest that any of the ones where everybody died screaming are the “worst case”

[solemn geyser]

i dont think lucy learning they were experiments in season 1 was nessecary as she doesnt even know what the experiment of her own vault is. In season 2 Vault 24 felt like her first introduction of a vault with violent experiments vs an accidental catasrtophe of gulpers

[topaz fjord]

Does that include vault 3

[white mantle]

But yeah, Lucy’s faith in the Vaults needed to be undermined.

[carmine bay]

Best case Vault experiments are like Vault 21 lmao

[cinder sleet]

I doubt Moldaver could have a problem with it given she clearly does not act as idealic as the Ranger Remnants in the Mojave have, that could mean she works independently to some degree
And mind you the Ranger Remnants seemed more official than Moldaver´s bunch lol

[white mantle]

And it’s a fun callback to the promo video Coop makes for Vault-Tec.

[topaz fjord]

The ones in vault 32 seemed more khan like than ncr

[cinder sleet]

Definitely

[white mantle]

The people who attacked 32 were regular ass raiders, yeah. Maybe Khans or Vipers or whatever, but raiders.

[topaz fjord]

Where as the observatory ones were more soldiers

[cinder sleet]

Mercenary work I guess?

[topaz fjord]

Only guessed khans cause she was in their land according to ep 5

[white mantle]

Raiders are expendable, Moldaver seems to see the NCR as more “her people”

And they definitely idolize her. The ones in Vault 4, anyway.

[solemn geyser]

kinda a wasted mystery i wonder if we'll see in season 3

[topaz fjord]

True but the ones who fought the brotherhood felt organsied

[solemn geyser]

like she isnt tandi

[carmine bay]

She’s Tandi but better

[topaz fjord]

Your guy died

[carmine bay]

Shame what cancer does to a man

[topaz fjord]

Cancer , wild auto doc, botched surgery, burned mans ghosy

[cinder sleet]

I feel Ajax is right in the sense that we could have more development ||about the NCR and such in their own homeland as a big nation state in S3 and that their introduction as such an state could come about at the final episodes or at the end of episode 8||

[plucky knot]

Give Aja’x mod

[topaz fjord]

Would the legion dare fight the bos

[carmine bay]

Yes they already can in NV

[topaz fjord]

More than that broken chapter

[carmine bay]

The Legion has no fear

Trust

[edgy echo]

Mr. House with a lookalike, Enclave returning, House will probably not be a villain but an anti-hero and will regain control of Vegas, because the house always wins.

[carmine bay]

I think the show will probably set that up and then Max, Lucy, or Coop will kill him at the last minute

[worthy solar]

Or have the Enclave be the ones to permanently put House in the dirt.

After House puts up a good fight with his Securitrons, of course.

[topaz fjord]

Six or seven betty busting heads in vault 33

[solemn geyser]

i like when House said “What if im not the house” implying the House being the United States and the President/Enclave is behind this

My girlfriend is getting into Fallout and i havent told her about the enclave

[topaz fjord]

When do you reckon regs snack club meets vault order

[solemn geyser]

so the idea of “yea its the goddamn president is the villain” would be a shock to her

[lunar torrent]

pre-war America was a gilded cage, rotting from the inside out

it tells you a lot that openly genocidal Enclave was the deep state of Fallout's pre-war America and that it controlled most of, if not all, facilities meant for survival and continuation of the US government

[cinder sleet]

I mean, it is not quite a shock nowadays!

[topaz fjord]

They were quite open tbh

[cinder sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/fozzie-muppets-waka-gif-5564088

[topaz fjord]

The enclave would not let trump in lack of sublty

[white mantle]

They’d send him to one of the FEV testing “bunkers”

[topaz fjord]

Fozzie bear on the other hand is joining the oil rig

Also sam the eagle and dr bunsen honeydew

[willow rampart]

that's so based i hope it happens.

[lunar torrent]

while possible, it's a very long shot

[hallow comet]

If there’s an Enclave where’s the Exclave?

[carmine bay]

They’re chilling somewhere

[lunar torrent]

somewhere in space of the universe

Enclave is on Earth

Exclave thus is not

[fierce arch]

|| The NCR is building up towards something, especially if the show continues to stay in the West, there's no way the NCR doesn't have a bigger presence. I will actually be upset, and shocked if the NCR has utterly collapsed completely after all the teasing the showrunners have done. I imagine most of it will look like how Shady Sands did, at least within the major cities. But if it's in San Fran, I imagine like I've said before - NCR has lost a lot of territory, but they're still large enough to be around. With other Factions showing up in the West Coast to fill the vacuum the NCR left given it's shrunk a bit. ||

[lunar torrent]

well it didn't collapse completely, it just got hit really, really hard - so much so that all non-core and non-vital operations are stopped

[fierce arch]

The only operations that have shown to be stopped is the Mojave campaign.
They haven't shown any other locations other than that and the Shady Sands bombing.

[slow wadi]

The NCR will inevitably add more taxes

[frank olive]

Hope so

[slow wadi]

"Shady Sands was blown up, sorry guys tax is going up 🫣🤭"

[fierce arch]

If Kimball didn't die in the bombing? I'd believe it. lmao

[frank olive]

Wait no you've got a point, that's probably the other reason hank bombed it

Taxes are the worst part of the ncr

[autumn tangle]

Bomb the Tops 👀

[lunar torrent]

I mean, isn't it obvious that the show is at least implying, if not obviously telling a viewer that NCR suffered immense and heavy damage and it suspended all non-core and non-vital operations, including those in Mojave ? those that were considered as stretching too much even during the New Vegas ?

[autumn tangle]

Disable the security grid and nuke the Lucky 38

[frank olive]

I think I'll decline that

[frank olive]

I'm kidding dude, but you can tell house you shot Kimball cause he tried to make you pay taxes

[thin sinew]

I don’t care who the irs sends i’m not paying taxes

[fierce arch]

No, I disagree actually - more so that it's suspended at least, I think it's too early to tell despite the implications, we need to see more of their territory. I think all it's shown is that the NCR was hit by the bombing, they pulled back more North.
The Mojave was a campaign they didn't want to engage in the first place - and Shady Sands was a huge portion of NCR tourism, if the NCR pulled out of the Mojave - means majority of the trading and such in Nevada would suffer, and would have them alter course. doesn't mean their operations are suspended.

Until we're shown more locations, we probably shouldn't assume they're heavily active, or suspended.
We're also told other factions moved into the abandoned territory so I mean. It's a wait and see kind of deal. Mojave operations being halted =/= All NCR operations being halted. Is my point.

[frank olive]

Ncr ranger hit squad , you've got 3 days to pay up

[lunar torrent]

like I said - only non-core and non-vital operations considered as such by the NCR are suspended and / or abandoned, NOT everything

[autumn tangle]

NCR ranger hit squad

[shy apex]

Putting a marked man in a visorless riot helmet is certainly something

[fierce arch]

Explain or define quite literally what that means. Non-core and non-vital. Cause no one uses these terms. lol

[fierce arch]

definitely a choice

[cinder sleet]

I would imagine that they mean that
Oregon and Baja territories have been totally abandonded
And really the NCR is now only operating on California and a biiiiit of northern Nevada given New Reno and Vault City

[fading plover]

seeing all the Avallone Fotv tweets annoys me

[lunar torrent]

my point exactly

[fading plover]

meanwhile Sawyer says he likes the show, very nice

[fierce arch]

So it is exactly what I said, then, just different words. lol
" they pulled back more North. "

[fierce arch]

Ofc, every single Dev and big figure of the FNV dev team aside from Avalone enjoys it. lol

[fading plover]

what did they mean by khan territory

[fierce arch]

I assume abandoned NCR territory that the Khans claimed

[fading plover]

tbh it feels like Avalone enjoys nothing

[fierce arch]

only if it has his name on it

[cinder sleet]

I think Shady and the parts of LA Lucy travelled through
With some raiding and/or incursions into NCR settlements and southern California in general ofc

[fading plover]

why couldn't she simply say ncr is around still agh

[fierce arch]

The lady also made it seem like the territory or area around the territory lucy and the ghoul went through was Khan country.

[fading plover]

[cinder sleet]

Because they aren't around in the Boneyard anymore

[fading plover]

yea ..

[cinder sleet]

Results when Bethesda tries to do Fallout alone:
massive failure and/or massive bugs, controversy, and just dissatisfaction ranging to a handful to general

Results when Bethesda delegates the task of doing Fallout to another company:

[fading plover]

still not seen those 2 ncr leaks

[fierce arch]

If we don't see it in the next episode, im convinced those BTS photos were rehersals

[fading plover]

it's likely

[cinder sleet]

I can wait until the season's over

[fierce arch]

Bethesda has a decent track record when other people handle their IP. I think if they accepted the reverence, they can probably find a way to satisfy a lot of folk.

[cinder sleet]

It could be a last episode thing, could be not
We should see

[fading plover]

no but.. we know we are getting more legion

[fierce arch]

Same, but I'm gonna miss debating about stuff(the good ones). At least most of my interactions here have been positive.

[fading plover]

whu would the episode with legion and ncr have those faction name pop up

untill SEASON 3A

[fierce arch]

For sure, we need Legate Lacerta and his crown.

[frank olive]

It was a Ulysses reference

[fierce arch]

TRUE. Or if the Remasters come out.

[fading plover]

i wonder if fo3 remaster is first

[supple hemlock]

I love the ncr but Is time to accept that it doesn't exist anymore as a Full State

[fading plover]

S3 starts filming already in May right

[cinder sleet]

He's refering to Ep.3's title cards
And I agree if they show a title card for them I feel that implies there's more waiting about them

[fading plover]

Yeah the entire NCR intro with the music, and "Captain Rodriguez from the New California Republic"

well i hope we get lore for that NCR power armor

[fierce arch]

It could've been a Ulysses's reference, at least I think it is, "Bear bull, bear bull." "NCR, Legion. NCR, Legion." "Robots" "ED-E."
It was double entendre I think.
A nod to Ulysses's while also implying the bartender didn't care about who was in control as long as he didn't have to pay taxes.

[fading plover]

the wrangler bartender did mention NCR, did y'all see the NCR wall graffiti in Freeside

[cinder sleet]

I did actually
That was cool

[fierce arch]

Yeah, this episode had so many stuff to notice.

Dean Domino poster, too.

[frank olive]

Okie dokie mb g

[fading plover]

"Fuck NCR"
A guy with a two headed bear on a leash

[cinder sleet]

Nah you're good

[supple hemlock]

The NCR could have survived only if it moved its capital years before the explosion (as one can vaguely guess), but this does not explain why it does not appear anywhere else in California.

[fading plover]

those deathclaws are probably very recent now that i think about it

[fading plover]

Shady sigh does say first capital

[supple hemlock]

even if they had reorganized the enclave (with hank) would probably have destroyed the new capital as well

[fierce arch]

We haven't been to all of california, we've only see bits and pieces, mostly just the Mojave and Nevada.

[supple hemlock]

otherwise what would have been the point of razing Shady Sands to the ground without completing the job?

[supple hemlock]

we literally see the brotherhood of steel do whatever the fuck they want

[fierce arch]

Hank was 100% using the Factions as a justification as murder for his wife. I don't think Hank was vastly interested in wiping Factions, because why didn't he do anything after bombing Shady Sands, and leave the rest be for 20 years? it doesn't make sense.

[supple hemlock]

maybe at that point the NCR was the biggest threat

[fierce arch]

He bombed shady sands and went back to the vault, lived out his life just fine. And probably would've continued to do so if Moldaver didn't show up.

[fierce arch]

No, it was just where his wife went. It had nothing to do with factions. If his wife went to the Khans, he would've bombed the Khans.

He was after his wife, first, the factions were just secondary - and a means of justifying his deed.

[thin sinew]

Why don’t people think coop’s family are in the cryo chambers?

[fierce arch]

Because Hank isn't really trustworthy. lol

[thin sinew]

True my bad^

[fierce arch]

And in the episode where Claudia came out of the Cryopod, there is some evidence to suggest people can switch pods.

[thin sinew]

Woahhhhhhhh I didn’t know that

[fierce arch]

yeah she doesn't climb out of her pod, she climbs out of someone else's

As seen in "The Golden Rule," Claudia appears to have emerged from the cryo chamber labeled for Joanne Wormwood. When Claudia is first released from her chamber, she is seen in a chamber in the middle of one set of three on the bottom left row from the entrance, and the second set of newly-opened cryo chambers on the bottom row can also be seen in the distance behind her. This means that she must have been in the second chamber on the bottom left from the entrance, which is exactly the one that had Joanne Wormwood's name on it.

[solemn rivet]

I think I know what’s gonna happen in the coming episodes

Mind controlled deathclaws
Cooper leaves Vegas/maximus meets cooper
They they take out the deathclaws
Cooper meets Mr house

But tbh I think everyone has figured this out already

[topaz fiber]

This is one of the funniest frames I've seen in any media

I really hope House is actually going to be like a good guy or at least on the good guys side, I don't think Hank is working for him I think Hank is enclave and I think house is against the enclave so maybe he won't necessarily be a good guy but at least fighting on the right side

[thin sinew]

Maybe not a good guy but definitely not on the enclaves side

[topaz fiber]

And honestly I think Hank or something let those deathclaws onto the strip to remove some of Mr House's power and control

Because he would never let that happen willingly

[thin sinew]

He just wants to be on top

[topaz fiber]

So I think what will happen is The ghoul makes it into the lucky 38 thinking that's where his family is being kept(it's not) and he actually comes face to face with house tv screen

[thin sinew]

Obvious flaws but you know, who that wants to be at the top doesn’t have

[oblique tulip]

He then crashs out like a lunatic

[topaz fiber]

He said nothing wrong tho tbf

There is another player controlling everything from the shadows so he has a point

[thin sinew]

Rewatching ep5 and the guy who killed sonny really took everything and I’m talking about the shoes lol

[topaz fiber]

And I think him saying that Janey's birthday was the end of the world is actually foreshadowing as in janey being born caused Barb to go down the path she does in order to protect her

[fierce arch]

It's no different from his uhhh speech when you refuse to give him the chip, or when you eat it. lmao

[topaz fiber]

And coop showing up in Vegas pushes the date ahead by a month , and he says maybe cooper causes the end of the world, I think what's being implied is Cooper divorcing Barb and all that shit eventually causes Barb to just say fuck it and push the button

[thin sinew]

You can eat the chip? Haha fallout’s awesome

[fierce arch]

Yeah he loses his shit.

[fierce arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWp7_TLmaQ

[topaz fiber]

Isn't that a mod because all of the voice lines says in response to you doing that are voice lines you get from other stuff

[fierce arch]

"NOW BE A GOOD COURIER AND DELIVER IT!"

[fierce arch]

These lines exist in-game, you need a mod to fix them to make them work properly.

[topaz fiber]

No I'm talking about eating the chip is a mod, the voice lines house says in response are all lines you get from other dialogue options, this shit just like the Pitt baby all over again

[fierce arch]

Like there is some new stuff, but that one isn't iirc.

[willow rampart]

i have a mod to reactivate the fact you can romance mr house and get all those lines back.

[fierce arch]

That one is funny and unhinged too. lmao

[thin sinew]

That was hilarious

[oblique tulip]

The romancing mr house was a planned thing

[thin sinew]

Rewatching ep5 long live sonny, he was smart enough to not load his display guns

[fierce arch]

I'm surprised they cut it, and the Cass romance. smh. i'm surprised a mod hasn't come along to add a romance story to Cass.

[willow rampart]

nothing says i love my daughter like blowing up the world. 🫶

[oblique tulip]

Isent the vr sex pod still in the game just out of bonds

[willow rampart]

i wish they still kept it in the game but alas.

[fierce arch]

i think so

[solemn geyser]

Lucy’s mom also took the kids

She ate nuke instead

[autumn tangle]

What I wanted was the flight simulators at the boomers camp

[fierce arch]

Yep. It was much more than just 'get rid of the factions' Hank saying that was him trying to justify it to Lucy, especially cause he was like - "She stopped being your mother when she left."

[solemn geyser]

Which i feel might reflect on Cooper and Barb in their divorce

[autumn tangle]

It would be cool if you could see Hoover dam from the perspective of the boomers in the b29

[solemn geyser]

we are seeing people take excessive behavior when one bad thing happens

[carmine bay]

Instead of the lost battalion it will be the Boomers who show up and save the day in the finale

[solemn geyser]

It’ll be the kings

whens the michael jackson group

[split bough]

Mr. House was sura farming the whole time

The successfully didn't ruin my goat 🥹 ✌️

[carmine bay]

Was it aura when he had a mental breakdown

[split bough]

Yes

[fierce arch]

yes, cause it matched his energy from the game perfectly.

[carmine bay]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-gif-26547310

Aura

[hallow comet]

Did anyone notice how the line “You don’t want to kill me… yet” from the trailer didn’t end up in the show

Might not be important but still

[worthy pecan]

is the liberty prime house pic we're shown in this supposed to be the one House has in new vegas or is it one made with the body doubles likeness for the public

[oblique tulip]

How do you think living as his body double is does house let him pipe bad bitchs

[carmine bay]

That’s mostly what his double does between meetings and tv appearances I imagine

[forest raptor]

just read this interesting theory - house's helmet that he wears in the pod in nv and in the tv show has actually been scanning his brain to create a digital version of his conscience but cold fusion is needed to power it. this would mean house died in NV but would explain how maximus (who has cold fusion) teaming up with the ghoul would lead to the trailer shot of || the ghoul seemingly meeting mr house in the final episode ||

and it fits with all the dialogue hints like victor talking about how no cold fusion has messed with house's plans and why house specifically mentions surviving without a biological body in ep 5

[shy apex]

House is an egomaniac , it could very well have been his initial plan , but when he lost access to cold fusion (the lore is sorta vague on how this is a new thing, fusion is allready supposed to exist even if mass fusion is lying about its fusion products actually being fission.) he swapped over to the body saving plan.

House would then tell himself that the becoming ai plan was actually faulty by design and his new plan is better in order to keep the facade up to himself

[forest raptor]

fusion and cold fusion are different - cold fusion apparently provides "unlimited" energy whereas fusion is just regular fusion

[shy apex]

Let’s be fair tho, this whole thing is a McMuffin

[worthy solar]

Still, even if House would get ahold of cold fusion again this season, what’s stopping the Enclave from sacking New Vegas to regain it like the Brotherhood did to Griffith?

[shy apex]

The show created the cold fusion McMuffin and it had no relation to the franchise up until now

[forest raptor]

its confusing to me tho cause if the enclave have the means to create cold fusion couldnt they just reproduce it?

[shy apex]

We’re basically having to invent reasons for how it fits in with the established games where it doesn’t really fit, because it wasn’t a thing. And that is one of my real only complaints with the show

It didn’t need to be a thing , but it is now and we have to deal with it

[worthy solar]

And if it was so irreplaceable, why didn’t they have better security around the damn thing?

[forest raptor]

i still think it works perfectly fine; house simply just doesnt have cold fusion during NV so it may have been in his original plan but since he lost it it doesnt factor into NV (and theres no point for him to explain a piece of lost tech to the courier) he just adapts

[jade flare]

I thing its more of an insurance to use the strip without ncr and the l38 as a long distance beacon for the securitrons

[worthy solar]

Or make any use of it when they had 100% more resources like the Oil Rig and Navarro.

[shy apex]

Yes but again that’s us having to fit an explanation into the games where there wasn’t a need to before. And now the shows having cold fusion be the McMuffin for every faction

[jade flare]

Well the damn was there bceause of energy reasons too,

[shy apex]

(Yeah so there’s allready an energy McMuffin in Vegas , 3 in fact)

[worthy solar]

Frankly, it’d be better if cold fusion got smashed against the nearest wall by Lucy. No need to mention it ever again afterwards and we can pretend it never existed.

[jade flare]

Also, what about the end scene, are those still nok canon?

[shy apex]

That’s best case scenario. It gets destroyed to prevent the infighting.

[jade flare]

Wouldnt the enclave have more?

[shy apex]

Enclave can make more , since a dude in a lab made it by himself with blueprints and time.

The only reason they’d even be going after the one that got away is because the 3 potential options of factions who get it and can use it are all against them

[forest raptor]

i do think cold fusion is a bit of a wasted plot device if its just gonna be used in the lucky 38 to revive house

like it makes sense but they could do a lot cooler things with the idea of cold fusion

[shy apex]

The Bos allready tried to wipe them out and succeeded (we thought). House is against them , and the ncr would be against them by virtue of not wanting to be wiped out

[jade flare]

Maybe it will be joinked by bos to feed liberty prime again

[shy apex]

Liberty prime allready runs off a miniature fusion plant

[worthy solar]

Especially if House is only properly active for an episode or two until, say, the Enclave pop up and sack New Vegas.

[jade flare]

Liberty prime always gets destroyed

[shy apex]

Cold fusion in the show can just be started up with that single small vial. Fusion requires more btu once they’ve actively got it working it’s presumably pretty simple to keep prime going.

[forest raptor]

yeah this is why im skeptical of this theory because what do you even do once house is revived - he'll only be in the last episode of the saeason and after that hes either a 1 episode cameo or they somehow just make him a post war character for season3?

[shy apex]

The enclave won’t even be in this season.

They got name dropped a few times in s1 and showed up for 3 minutes. And they’re clearly being told not shown in this season, but there’s not enough time to include them in a full on assault with only 3 episodes left and with how much we know will happen from the trailers

[dark needle]

janey's birthday is when the end of the world was "locked in"

the actual date in Houses projections jump around, which also explaisn why he was 20 hours short with the chip

[shy apex]

They’ll work better as a background presence at least til the end if s3. With more and more references and maybe actively showing the bunker

[shy apex]

Remeber house having a specific date is a show creation.

[forest raptor]

if the whole house revival theory is true i imagine the direction the plot goes is Mr House will inform Cooper of either the location of Hank's vault (and his family) or maybe reveal some enclave detail - i imagine the last episode will have some sort of enclave namedrop

[dark needle]

any final battle will be the Brotherhood survivors attacking the strip to get Cold fusion back

[shy apex]

WE can definitely fit it in that house didn’t tell the courier that he got the date wrong by a few days and didn’t prepare quick enough

That would make him seem fallible, which he desperately doesn’t want to be seen as in both the game and show.

[forest raptor]

i am curious how the remnants of quintus' bos tie in to the finale (if they do) and also what happened to dane

[autumn tangle]

They dead

Maximus gets revenge

[shy apex]

But he does tell us that he calculated they would drop within 15 years of 2065 , which he was right, but If he actually thought he knew the date down to the day. Then the platinum chip was always gonna have a massive margin of failure, which doesn’t seem like house

[carmine bay]

Lacerta vs Quintus fist fight

[silver narwhal]

I doubt they’ll have any real impact in the show. They didn’t care to give the enclave any meaningful entrance.

[forest raptor]

na but quintus is still alive

[shy apex]

He wasn’t in the airship , and it crashed way behind Area 51

[dark needle]

reminder he said Cooper buying a ticket to Vegas pushed the clock forward a month, the date changed constantly

[shy apex]

It’s basically only the airship crew and anyone on it that would be dead, and that’s not a lot of his overall force

[dark needle]

odds are it rarely got pushed backwards

[shy apex]

The young dude Maximus gave advice too might be out for revenge too now

[worthy solar]

Though even when the dust settles, how much of Quintus’s chapter will even be left?

[dark needle]

i think it'll be all 4 chapters settling down under quintus to go after Cold fusion to appease the Commonwealth

[silver narwhal]

that weird looking one that stole the cold fusion

and the kiddies

[shy apex]

‘That weird looking one’

[dark needle]

dane?

[forest raptor]

idk ep 5 seems to be building them up again - i dont expect anything this season but with all the specific hints to the enclave we're getting like the FEV "investors", Mr House's suspicions of another "House" and all the apparent things with the Enclave pulling prewar strings (which calls back to cooper saying in the s1 finale that someone is always behind the wheel), i imagine they're being built up to be the eventual villain somewhere down the line

[shy apex]

That doesn’t help actually tell us who you mean

[jade flare]

I do expect the comonwealth to not ve only a cohesive bos

[carmine bay]

Not much, which is the point. If his chapter was at full power they’d just come into Vegas and steamroll everyone.

[silver narwhal]

Other guy seemed to find out pretty quick

[jade flare]

As any ither faction being afected by time

[shy apex]

Usually I’d ask why you felt the need to use the words ‘that weird one’ but Im too tired

[silver narwhal]

looks a bit funky idk man

[shy apex]

They look like a dude

[dark needle]

Enclave has been name dropped a couple times, but for the uninformed (such as my parents) are as clueless as Norm what that means. anyone on the West coast knows who and what the Enclave are thanks to the events of Fo2

[silver narwhal]

Can men not look funky

[shy apex]

Literally just a dude like😭

[silver narwhal]

Good point

[forest raptor]

speaking of that last detail i do hope someone talks about the fact they know what the enclave is - especially the ghoul. cooper should already know what the enclave is having been on the west coast for 200 years

[shy apex]

The enclave were only actually out in force in 3 , which is the east.

[jade flare]

Ncr knew them so cooper could know

[forest raptor]

fallout 2 - they went to war with the ncr and bos and were eventually hunted down into persecution

[shy apex]

That’s 3

[dark needle]

no, after 2 the NCR and Brotherhood stormed Navarro

[silver narwhal]

[forest raptor]

no in fallout 2 - they go to war with the NCR and BOS and lose when the oil rig blows up and then the NCR and BOS join forces to attack navarro and hunt down the remnants (which causes them to flee east to DC)

[dark needle]

west coast Enclave remnants is literally the entire plotline for Arcade in New Vegas bruh

[shy apex]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[jade flare]

Do we know how stronhg where enclave in 3? They seemed to be dyion iff after their main base destruction

[forest raptor]

but yeah itll be kinda strange if the enclave comes back and everyone has just forgotten them for some reason

[dark needle]

ultimately, they haven't been relevant to the plot of 2296

[carmine bay]

They’re at the height of their technological development but probably have less overall manpower.

[dark needle]

until they come after cold fusion, they won't be

[carmine bay]

Autumn claims they’re at the height of their power in 3 but take that with a grain of salt for obvious reasons

[dark needle]

don't they have a big presence in Illinois?

[carmine bay]

He delivers this line after the player destroyed Raven Rock and Liberty Prime tore through like half of their forces lol

[jade flare]

I mean, they scrapped ed e's program to use the duraframei in hellfire armors

[spark cloud]

Autumn is coping and seething

[carmine bay]

They had a base in Chicago at some point but we have no idea if it still exists

[dark needle]

Hmm

[carmine bay]

Especially since the BoS crashed down there way back

[forest raptor]

apparently they still have bunkers just everywhere across america - that s1 bunker looked in incredible condition and yeah if they can literally just create cold fusion thats mad

[dark needle]

We still don't have a fix on where the S1 facility was correct?

[jade flare]

I mean, they though navarro was still thiers at that time

[carmine bay]

We don’t

[dark needle]

He is the the most soy boy

[spark cloud]

Somewhere in the Sierras but we don't know the exact location

[dark needle]

I need to play 3 again but 76 has it's hooks in me

[forest raptor]

no clue somewhere in the west

[spark cloud]

He's close enough to southern Cali for that to be the closest destination instead of North NCR or something

[dark needle]

Enclave will show up, likely as a reveal in the pre-war stuff at the end of this season

[forest raptor]

im wondering if next episode will be with maximus or if we'll continue the pre war stuff and lucy

[hallow comet]

Yeah they’ve been teasing the Enclave for a while. The shadowy figure has to be an Enclave dude

[dark needle]

Definitely getting some Maximus stuff next episode

[jade flare]

The amazon page info said that the enclave and bos had most if pa post war

[forest raptor]

yeah i agree i think they'll give us an episode to cool off from all the prewar scenes like they did earlier in the season and continue with maximus then have all the big prewar scenes conclude ep 7 and 8

[dark needle]

Which is accurate

[jade flare]

The thing is either budget problems, or the pa being on another chapter

[dark needle]

Odds are we're going to see Coop and Barbs divorce

[forest raptor]

i still really wana see (and idk if theyll show it this season or next) how on earth barabara got janey from LA to Vegas while the bombs were dropping after cooper runs away with janey to barabara in the first scene of s1

like i cant imagine how she managed to do that as the nuclear war was literally happening lmao

also her getting janey to vegas invites the idea we MIGHT see mr house's laser defense grid in action in a TV scene which would be awesome

[jade flare]

Maybe they got to a vault tec bunker but he wasnt allowed to
Enter

[dark needle]

With the transfer to Vegas happening later?

[dawn dust]

Of him just walking and camping

[jade flare]

That or they reach a transportion method, remember thet the ghoul searched in several places, so he doesnt knows the exact place

[forest raptor]

hmm what happened to his PA

[jade flare]

Core discharged maybe

[forest raptor]

yeah prob

[shy apex]

Power Armour is metal, it’s a desert

[proud beacon]

Lol i love fake house so much

[forest raptor]

also i think something more must have happened when cooper and Janey/Barbara seperated during the nuclear war because I doubt Barabara is THAT cold hearted that even after the divorce she wouldnt let him come with them

[dark needle]

My gut is vertibird with Barb (or less likely merely dispatched by her) arrives shortly after the S1E1 cutaway to pick up Janey.

[forest raptor]

like its the father of her child after all

[dark needle]

Rules are rules, he is no longer her husband so he lost his ticket

[shy apex]

On top of it getting gunked up within like, 20 minutes. Being in a huge metal tin can would kill even a ghoul with heatstroke

[forest raptor]

true ig

[jade flare]

Maybe vsultec only let yer take inmediate family

Also

[dark needle]

I can see Barb coming clean about the Enclave, or at least as clean as she can, and Coop wanting nothing to do with it. So they'll use his obvious drunkenness that evening as the catalyst for thier divorce

[shy apex]

I mean they let their sales rep die outside v111 , even if he technically survived through soemthing no one knew was a thing

[jade flare]

Since thet use vb, maybe he got a grudge whit vault tev

[thin sinew]

Coming into this episode, I thought the ghoul would be punched/launched out the window because Lucy didn’t get more drugs. In a good way, what an effing episode

[unborn sundial]

We can talk full spoilers here or do I gotta censor it?

[thin sinew]

Full spoilers

[vapid lichen]

Ye

[unborn sundial]

I'm loving how the Wasteland is slowly but surely breaking Lucy

[thin sinew]

As long as you’re not part of the staff and know more than the viewers do of course

[forest raptor]

actually ive just realised - has maximus even killed someone yet? lucy beat him to it

[willow rampart]

liberty prime would be cool to see.

[unborn sundial]

Xander

[dark needle]

He killed the guy in Filly trying to jack his armor

[forest raptor]

oh yeah im stupid lol

[forest raptor]

oh that too

[thin sinew]

2 confirmed

[unborn sundial]

He's rocking Idiot savant and 10 luck I swear it

[willow rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-xander-harkness-fallout-tv-show-brotherhood-of-steel-gif-1950248576275999161

[dark needle]

Odds are got a few during the S1E8 finale battle

[thin sinew]

Did you have any idea what he was doing to the budget

[dark needle]

Oh the two Fiends on the bridge with Lucy

[willow rampart]

the vault dweller played by the guy from severance has idiot savant on like 10 stars. 😭

[forest raptor]

i wana believe the final battle will be more than just gang fighting deathclaws on the strip

[unborn sundial]

Was fully expecting Lucy and Ghoul to at least attempt to fight a Deathclaw then 4 of em showed up

[dark needle]

So 4 confirmed kills, not counting the ferals in S2E1

5 confirmed kills

The dude he stabbed right before Xander showed up

[thin sinew]

Season ending looks like the facility, atom wonders how many parties can be involved

[unborn sundial]

Funny that a t shirt spoiled what Lucy does to th3 Ghoul tho

[thin sinew]

But now that you mention it, a deathclaw pack waltzing into the facility doesn’t sound far war

[dark needle]

3 way Mexican standoff between Freeside (with Coop and Max), the Brotherhood, and the Legion

[unborn sundial]

Need to see Norm okay though please I need him alive

[willow rampart]

u would wear the rags that the atom ppl wear.

[dark needle]

The girl with the Cat named Puppy (I forget her name) will show up with the drink, save Norm, and on thier way out they'll unleash the roaches

Also man naming a Cat "Puppy" is so fucking cute why haven't I thought of that being an option

[forest raptor]

im kinda confused why that guy lowkey didnt just kill norm there and then

[willow rampart]

he'll be fine the plot needs him too much.

[unborn sundial]

Honestly I hope so, feel like she's intentionally dense about it to trick Norm

[shy apex]

Unrelated but I find his gun usage really funny. He does a weird movement that by all accounts should throw his aim off by miles, as he’s firing. And it’s most visible on that bridge scene

[thin sinew]

Duh

[hallow comet]

I have a feeling they want to try to put Norm into FEV

[thin sinew]

The brotherhood still exists?????!?!?!?!!?!

[forest raptor]

true, i actually heard that supermutant norm is a popular theory

[unborn sundial]

I mean the Commonwealth chapter could come into the mix

[dark needle]

Until Quintus is dead they'll be a problem

[hallow comet]

Though I don’t think it will happen. Someone said that the guy Norm was fighting looked like he had a head that looked like a super mutant

[shy apex]

Even if all the ones shown in the show died out (they haven’t) the commonwealth has more than all of them combined

[thin sinew]

Test subject? Hopefully! Even hank had to start somewhere

[dark needle]

Or maybe he's not quite there mentally to kill outright

[shy apex]

Killing the person you want info out of isn’t smart

[hallow comet]

Claudia might come back and save Norm, maybe Ma June will as well

[thin sinew]

A vault tec manager? Idk i think he’s there

[shy apex]

He’s a junior assistant lol

[willow rampart]

also him and claudia are so kissing at some point this season i just know where this writing is going.

[vestal iris]

lol why do i feel like the Mr.House lookalike looks more like Mr.House than Mr.House himself

[slow wadi]

Maybe the real House were the friends we made along the way

[dark needle]

Nah Ma June and Barv are going to show up after the roaches eat the 31 crew and be very upset that their roach farm got ruined

[thin sinew]

NORM LIVES CONFIRMED RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[shy apex]

I’m glad Claudia put it into words for me,

[willow rampart]

mmmm nah.

[shy apex]

The rest of them do genuinely seem off.

[unborn sundial]

Watch the double be the real Mr. House

[thin sinew]

Vault tec management does not clear radroach farm WOOO

[vestal iris]

he looks more dapper

[shy apex]

There all like, junior assistants to actual important people , but they seem remarkably blasé about their whole world being dead along with everyone they knew

[thin sinew]

Like a celebrity

[unborn sundial]

Next episode is probably gonna be completely Ghoul focused I bet

[dark needle]

Nah

[shy apex]

The doubles head is too thin to be anywhere near game house

[unborn sundial]

House would so do that

[thin sinew]

The important people need a protege you know

[shy apex]

No offense to raph, that’s not his role. And it’s his head, but he looks nowhere near like games house, nor is he supposed to

[slow wadi]

"So there's 2 Houses?"
"Make that 3"
FNV House appears, fades to black.
The Houses will return in Avengers Doomsday

[thin sinew]

If i ever get another pet I’m naming them the opposite, how did I never think of that

[shy apex]

Hell games house doesn’t even look like Rene

[unborn sundial]

The real House is gonna be neither I wanna bet, he's the big ass TV

[forest raptor]

technically if the revived house theory thing comes true thatll make 3 houses

[thin sinew]

4 houses eff it

[shy apex]

I’m so used to Rene doing his odo voice in deep space 9 that hearing him do his normal voice in fallout seems weird

[slow wadi]

Well you need 5 to make a House

[unborn sundial]

I'm putting my chips on he's neither and he was petty enough to spite Coop with him showing he's the TV

[slow wadi]

I don't know i don't play poker

[thin sinew]

On atom^

[shy apex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-deep-space-nine-deep-space9-ds9-odo-gif-17366721

[frank olive]

Gonna have to start calling him Mr town now

[unborn sundial]

And then he floods Vault 21 if that is indeed Vault 21 Hank is in

[spark cloud]

What if at the end of the season Cooper is chasing after barb or some shit and he gets stopped by a dude in a black suit and the dude is like it's me Frank Horrigan United States Secret Service

[dark needle]

If we get 4 houses we can make it a hotel

[slow wadi]

House = Howard
The = Cooper
It was so obvious 🙄

[shy apex]

Can’t be vault 0 unless they moved it wayyyy from where it’s supposed to be and removed all the context about its robot security. But it’s probably not an actual vault

[unborn sundial]

I been calling it 21 the whole time

[frank olive]

Then he would be trippin on jet but

[shy apex]

Barb seems to think she’s going to one of the good vaults where they control all the others, but that’s clearly not the case

[dark needle]

Joking aside I am half expecting the Enclave to be working on recreating Frank Horrigan. Worst case at scale

[shy apex]

At best the complex Hank is in is a research complex that seems to have been either abandoned or was never staffed

[spark cloud]

God I hope Bethesda brings back Frank for fallout 5 and just completely butchers his character for no reason

[thin sinew]

Frank horrigan has got to be a door manager atp

[forest raptor]

the idea of frank horrigan is just so cool in general - a drugged up super mutant behemoth covered in power armour man fallout 1 and 2 had some great villain designs

[slow wadi]

I feel like House isn't actually 1 person but multiple. They're already doing the body double I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. House is more like a group of like minded individuals

[frank olive]

They'll call him nate horrigan

[shy apex]

Eh, no

[frank olive]

Then he wouldn't be mr house

[thin sinew]

Canadians?!

[shy apex]

Mr culdisac

[dark needle]

Not the full 10 SPECIAL stat monster we all know and love (you've all seen that "my way" video don't deny it)

But rather just, power armor equipped intelligent Mutants who are completely and irrevocably indoctrinated to do the Enclaves bidding

[hot inlet]

Mr. Townhome

[slow wadi]

I mean it could just be the cover but also I feel like I'm just throwing poop at the wall for the sake of it

[frank olive]

You can say shit this is fallout

[slow wadi]

Mr. House(s)

[slow wadi]

I play mine with the no cussing mod

[dark needle]

Like I said, if we get 4 houses we can make them all into a Hotel

[frank olive]

Wait are you being fr?

[slow wadi]

Todd writing this down right now

[frank olive]

Like the master but hotel

[slow wadi]

No but it be funny if there was one 😭

[shy apex]

Waiting for the cursing Goris companion mod

[frank olive]

Hm "You Kellogg" and my favourite super mutant meansonofa

[willow rampart]

[slow wadi]

PG13 Fallout 5 make it happen todd

[frank olive]

Next episode might be goris but I'm hopin it's marcus

[frank olive]

Hell no don't give them any ideas

[dark needle]

Both would be hype AF

[forest raptor]

just wondering but is the reason everything thinks it is goris thats gonna turn up cause of that one trailer scene with the cloaked figure walking at night through the mist?

[frank olive]

Frankly, could be anyone

[slow wadi]

Marcus appearing would mean 2 things
1 it's in New Vegas
And 2 he's a super mutant

[frank olive]

1 is not in new vegas bud

[slow wadi]

I just want a Cazador to appear bro pls make them fight the deathclaws

[dark needle]

The bigger thing is the fact the "Demon in the Snow" says "Warm. Meat." While looking at Cooper

[slow wadi]

It is now. Todd make it happen

[dark needle]

Also this

[frank olive]

Hell yeah

[forest raptor]

is that confirmed tho? i saw a bunch of people arguing about it when ep 4 came out with some people saying it just sounded like growling

[forest raptor]

oh lmao fair enough

[dark needle]

I hear it clearly enough

Oooh idea idea idea

If it is Goris, or at least another intelligent deathclaw of some kind, they're in the Thorn

[forest raptor]

oh actually i kinda hear it rewatching the scene

[dark needle]

Once you hear it

It's hard to un-hear

[frank olive]

I dont really want intelligent deathclaws in the show but that's me

[forest raptor]

yeah i was about to say i literally cannot hear it as just growling anymore lol

[dark needle]

It wasn't on my bucket list tbf

But It would be a very nice callback

[forest raptor]

tbf fallout has a lot of wacky elements liek that spread throughout - people with psychic superpowers is suprisingly common in every installment

[hallow comet]

Bringing back Psykers would be insane

[dark needle]

Who are the psykers in 2 and 76?

Assuming you count Mama Murphy as a psyker

[forest raptor]

f2 has that shaman, nv has the forecaster and idk about 76 cause thats the only one i havent played

[dark needle]

The shaman of course

[forest raptor]

also mr fantastic because he convinced the NCR his theoretical degree was real

very psychic if u ask me lol

[fierce arch]

Her's is more supernatural given her abilities rely on drugs, i would argue. Did the Forecaster rely on drugs? i can't remember

[dark needle]

He had a psychic nullifier (or "head medicine" as he called it) and made predictions

[thin sinew]

If season 2 ends amazingly, s3 trailers won’t show more than mid season climaxes sorry ik it’s irrelevant

[fierce arch]

yeah then he was def different than Mama murphy, mama murphy follows the same method the tribals used

usually psykers don't need the drug relation

[pliant yoke]

"It's Mr. House" to "Mr House would like to see you"
Hmm.......

[west robin]

Wow, that episode was insane. I’m so invested.

[pliant yoke]

IT'S FISTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[west robin]

Glad to see he’s still around lol

[pliant yoke]

Oh hi Hank.

[west robin]

Just wait. Shit hits the fan.

[pliant yoke]

OH THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD

[carmine bay]

https://youtu.be/FjRzHXBkg0M?si=lMgrYbV29U98GNhZ

[pliant yoke]

Did it finally work...? :0

[west robin]

The NCR is indeed comically evil.

[west robin]

[pliant yoke]

There's the F.E.V. group

Future Enterprise Values, of course! Gotta keep those values for sure

BADASS OLD LADIES THEY RETURN

[thin sinew]

Imagine granting a club with an unlimited snack budget just before things get worse and the president isn’t willing to negotiate

[west robin]

Hey, the snacks are important.

[pliant yoke]

OOOOOO SHE STEALIN!!

[thin sinew]

Yes, yes they are

[jade flare]

What is that dinosaur like thing in the post ending scene?

[inner marten]

Deathclaw younglings

[jade flare]

The big one without horns?

[pliant yoke]

F.E.V.!!!

[inner marten]

They aren’t big

Look at the size between them and the nest

They are big but not full deathclaw big

[jade flare]

Yeah small

Some people thing is a tunneler but those glow sbd are skynni

[inner marten]

Nobody with a functioning frontal lobe thinks those are tunnelers

[stoic apex]

I know he will live but was insane

[pliant yoke]

OH MY GOD

[inner marten]

Yeah the amount of people thinking he’s dead is nuts

Like have yall ever watched a show before or understand plot progression

[stoic apex]

100%

[vestal iris]

hes literally been thru worse in the show

[inner marten]

Also the scenes in the adds and trailers that haven’t happened yes

[stoic apex]

But the way it happened still had me shocked. Such a well done episode all around

[paper radish]

this shot was cool as hell. Surprised me a ton, too

[pliant yoke]

So what's the credits scene

[paper radish]

THe trailer made me so sure I was like yeah, I get what's going to happen. I was NOT expecting the impaling lol

[inner marten]

Just cool non canon stuff like always

[jade flare]

Where was the nom canon quote?

[inner marten]

What?

[dawn dust]

Why didn’t the ghoul change his shirt after getting impaled?

[jade flare]

Where was it said that they are not canon?

[inner marten]

The fact that many of them show events that never happened

[zenith terrace]

How the hell is he gonna get out of this jam

[vestal iris]

plot armor

[zenith terrace]

Is he gonna pull himself up?

[vestal iris]

yup

[zenith terrace]

I'm just lost at the anatomy of this because oh my goodness

[dawn dust]

Seriously

[zenith terrace]

Maybe with a buzzsaw they could cut the top part off?

That's like, most of the problem

[hallow comet]

I mean maybe they’ll have Maximus and Thaddeus show up and get him out

[dawn dust]

A super mutant is gonna save him

Trust

[hallow comet]

You do see them walking with The Ghoul in a clip

[zenith terrace]

Meansonofabitch's calling in life

[willow rampart]

in the small teaser it looks like he just starts pulling himself up.

[zenith terrace]

God damn talk about core strength

[hallow comet]

Also tbh after this, idk why he would want to save Lucy

[willow rampart]

the power of like the biggest bucket of drugs ever created by man.

[zenith terrace]

I think he'll probably get why that happened but he must be getting fed up by now

[iron apex]

Wait.. if Hank is working for the enclave and not vault-tec that means that they’re responsible for wanting shady sands wiped off the earth which explains a lot seeing as both factions have a lot of history with each other

[zenith terrace]

We don't know Hank is working with the enclave and really don't have a lot of reason to think he is

Hank wanted shady sands gone because vault tec reasons, those reasons make enough sense to not require further evaluation imo

[willow rampart]

what do yall think will be like the last main scene of the show.

[zenith terrace]

They're gonna pan over to rawr from lonesome road and then Maximus is gonna drop the name of fallout 5's protagonist

[willow rampart]

lol.

[hasty kestrel]

This is fucking hilarious

[opal ferry]

squirrel on a stick

[jade flare]

We may get either the enclave or the comonwealth bos contact as a final scene

[hallow comet]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-propaganda-76-gif-1832661275352466615

[topaz fiber]

I thinking s3 will still be in vegas

[hallow comet]

Inb4 s3 is in the Capital Wasteland

[topaz fiber]

Na it won't be because the show is made for new comers , suddenly taking it there would confuse everyone

[forest raptor]

i find it funny that || hes left hanging there until it gets dark || then again i dont even know how one would get out of that position

like the supermutant idea tho

[zenith terrace]

If he does actually pull himself off he's gonna have to do some incredible parkour to get back down

I hope we see more of the power fist it seems like it could be a signature weapon for Lucy if they wanted to go that way

[forest raptor]

i acc wonder what happens to it now that hanks got her

[hasty kestrel]

If he survived that, the additional 10ft drop probably won’t do much more.

[zenith terrace]

And him shrugging off bullets in season 1 was impressive...

[topaz fiber]

Huh, freeside had a building from fo2 in it

Golden globes porno theater place

[deft mountain]

Why can’t the ghoul just threaten to kill Lucy as leverage

[forest raptor]

cause then bye bye janey

[deft mountain]

Then bye bye Lucy

If the ghoul loses his family then Hank also loses his daughter

[forest raptor]

other way around tho - coop cant threaten lucy, cause if he goes through with it and does kill her then his family is dead (so he doesnt really win by doing this)

[deft mountain]

You can say the same for Hank

He can’t threaten Janey because if he goes through with it than his daughter is dead

So he doesn’t really win by doing this

[forest raptor]

true actually

[deft mountain]

Bad writing imo

It would be a stale mate and they’d do some type of negotiation for a swap

[devout forge]

i dont get some parts of the fanbase that think lucy and cooper are romantic

[deft mountain]

I didint know that existed

[devout forge]

nothing has suggested it

[devout forge]

consider yourself lucky

[deft mountain]

Lucy is gonna get with a 200 year old mass murderer ghoul lol

[carmine bay]

People are obsessed with shipping everyone

[deft mountain]

Shipping fan base is out of control

[carmine bay]

Porn addiction and its consequences imo

[devout forge]

lucy and maximus actually kissed so if theres gonna be a love plot itll probably be them

hank and moldaver

[deft mountain]

Hank and Barbara

[devout forge]

cursed love interests

[deft mountain]

Instead of killing Barbra Hank steals the ghouls wife

[forest raptor]

no please i dont want vegas nuked as well

[glacial adder]

I wish while in freeside lucy buys a burger with the caps she saved

but she bought the special meat and it was a guy

[forest raptor]

lucy's literally me when i get to a major settlement i just start sneaking and stealing everything lol

[paper radish]

Not my thoughts, source below. But most certainly a connection...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1qe7wkq/playing_fallout_3_and_noticed_something/

[iron apex]

Was literally just about to post this 😂😂 definitely not a coincidence

[paper radish]

Indeed

[reef blade]

They did it

They referenced Ulysses shit post

Bear bull bear bull bear bull

NCR Legion NCR Legion NCR

[reef blade]

Like Veronica

[solemn geyser]

i dont believe so, when she wakes up she lost her stuff when she woke up

I believe Lucy is going to spend the rest of the season trying to escape

[outer lake]

I thought the syringer was gonna be her signature weapon but i guess not

[topaz fiber]

You're assuming Hank actually loves Lucy , Hank would easily use her as a tool if needed

He's an enclave member, he went into the vault with no family so he wasn't a family man when he entered it, he's just been waiting til he could enact the plan for the vaults

[slow wadi]

I think he'll be conflicted. But ultimate will chose his motives and goals over his kids.

[carmine bay]

Yeah he’s definitely attached to Lucy

[mystic solar]

Me patiently waiting for the NCR proper (not the tiny groups of ppl) to show up in that ranger PA

ngl I wonder what the show would be like if NCR won

[midnight kiln]

god speed little optimistic, first-time murderer weirdo girlie <3

[covert kindle]

Seeing people complain about shipping is so jarring to me, I forget that’s not the norm in all fandom spaces lol

But yeah, there’s nothing romantic between The Ghoul and Lucy, they have more of a surrogate father/daughter dynamic

No harm in other people shipping it, but it definitely won’t be canon

[covert kindle]

I hope Lucy kills a bunch of people and has a great time doing it

[patent hatch]

I just saw this on reddit too. The fact that this connection exists in the game is insane lol

It must be pretty subtle because I don't even remember this interaction in the game. But it has been a while since I played through Broken Steel

[midnight kiln]

she's already a tool. been that way since her conception.

she's apart of this whooooole fucked up experiment (which has turned out to be multiple afaik, but not everyone is aware of that… messy stuff). so, her dad definitely has plans for her. probably not to turn her into a supermutant… hopefully… but something.

probably to use a chip on her, especially after her little adventure into the wasteland.

[midnight kiln]

never known a fandom to not have a strong shipping system 😭

although Fallout was one, i guess. up until the show.

people love them a toxic enemies to lovers trope

[midnight kiln]

AND after her discovering what he did to Shady Sands and her mum.

something tells me a mind wiping chip would be vveeeerrrrryyyy beneficial to a control freak dude who wants his daughter to view him as her "dear-ol'-daddy-deariest who only does the right thing by everyone"

the objectively moral right thing - not whatever this Dr. Evil & Mini-Me shit he's pulling.

[covert kindle]

I was raised by Tumblr and spend 99% of my time on Ao3, shipping is just a normal part of fandom to me

I don’t really get why people get so up in arms about it, it’s harmless unless you’re talking about toxic shippers

[midnight kiln]

agreed.

and personally related

[covert kindle]

It’s me, I’m people. That’s one of my favorite tropes of all time lol.

I’m not really a big shipper when it comes to Fallout though. Like I think Lucy and Maximus are cute but I don’t have strong feelings about it.

[midnight kiln]

-# ME TOO

my two cents on Cooper/Lucy:

it's undeniably very popular. i could see it happening, but i don't think it will become canon (which will depend on a few different factors, e.g. how Maximus and Lucy's relationship will develop after seeing each other for the first time in a while; what Cooper's disposition towards Barbara will be/end up, depending on if Barb really goes full Enclave/was already awakened to work for the Enclave). everyone's rather vague as to what their relationship is supposed to end up as, so who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz fiber]

The show has portrayed Lucy and the ghoul as father n daughter

[topaz fjord]

Some part of me sees lucy wearing some variant of janeys cowgirl outfit that ends up resonating with him in a father daughter way

[midnight kiln]

that's the thing - the guy who plays Cooper denied it being a father/daughter relationship

that it's not meant to be that

[topaz fiber]

In a prewar scene with cooper he's driving in his car with janey and a dog, right after that scene it switches to the ghoul, Lucy and dogmeat traveling together, it's obviously trying to correlate them together, and it makes sense, Lucy's good heart is something you'd only find in children in the wasteland which most likely reminds the ghoul of janey

[midnight kiln]

and allegedly other showrunners and writers concur with this too

[patent hatch]

I've heard some people saying they think that they're supposed to be love interests which... really doesn't feel like that kind of vibe

Plus, that's what Max is for

[midnight kiln]

i've been trying real hard to figure out what the vibe is and i still have no fucking idea 😭😭

friends…? but why are they so cagey about not labelling it

[patent hatch]

Could just be friends, potentially really close ones in the future

[solemn geyser]

even Ella Pernell isnt a fan of the ships

[patent hatch]

Some friends end up becoming closer than that but not taken too far, so maybe that's what they're going for

[solemn geyser]

Some people just dont wanna be shipped

like sorry but it is just gooner behavior lmao.

[covert kindle]

I think it’s really unlikely that this would ever be canon - but I’m also strongly of the opinion that you can enjoy shipping something regardless of whether it actually becomes canon.

The idea that something has to be canon to be shipped is like…not how shipping works.

[solemn geyser]

its like the Byler stranger things shit. like sorry but its just an excuse to be a gooner

none of it has ever been for the sake of “fun”

[midnight kiln]

you seem to have a slightly misconstrued perception on shipping. but there are definitely many toxic shippers.

a lot

[covert kindle]

Eh, now you’re just making really bad faith assumptions.

Lots of people just enjoy fanart, fanfiction, and the idea of two characters together because they like their dynamic without expecting it to actually be canon.

[midnight kiln]

but also many good ones 👍

[solemn geyser]

Its fine but if the actor themselves say its uncomfortable. Thats called respecting boundaries

[patent hatch]

I strongly ship Norm with the cutie from vault 31

[midnight kiln]

I KNOW THEYRE SO SWEET

[patent hatch]

That is, if Ronald doesn't murder her

[solemn geyser]

theres no problem shipping if its necessary about the show but most ships ive seen especially on the internet end up incredibly fanatic and ruins the fun for everyone

[covert kindle]

Yeah, that means that fans shouldn’t bother the actors with questions about shipping, or expose them to fan works without their consent.

It doesn’t mean that fans aren’t allowed to personally ship things, and fan spaces dedicated to that.

Just, like, do your thing, and don’t be weird to the actors or pushy to the writers about it.

[midnight kiln]

yeah, it's really weird to bring up shipping with the actors themselves 😭😭

[patent hatch]

I had a feeling that would be the direction ever since ep 4 when she talked about driving over the bridge, knew immediately she was the only 31er that isn't a sociopath

[solemn geyser]

while i believe everyone has the right to do whatever they want in private (to an extent). Personally if i found out someone shipped a persona i played in their private time. I would never be comfortable around that person

[patent hatch]

Especially considering that most are probably seeing someone irl

[covert kindle]

Fortunately you will never be in that situation.

As long as people are being respectful to the actors boundaries and not pushing their ships and fan works on them, it’s fine.

[solemn geyser]

Like sure fictional characters go ahead but live action characters end up being weird

[midnight kiln]

the only other person i believe also isn't nuts is the dude who keeps saying ew to everything and wants to make weapons. maybe.

[solemn geyser]

my issue is when people make it like their whole identity and then it just gets weird

[covert kindle]

Omg for real.

I am a staunch defender of shipping, fanfiction, all of that, but unfortunately some fans have really lost the plot and do not have boundaries with actors anymore.

[patent hatch]

He seemed... like less of a threat but still not someone I'd consider to be emotionally sane. Wasn't he one of the ones nonchalantly talking about the corpses in the lobby?

[midnight kiln]

live action characters are still fictional characters, but i get your point. you don't have to do anything you're not comfortable with.