EPISODE 5

[violet brook]

yeah literally what i wrote || he exited in a bos one how the heck is he shown in a trailer with ncr one|| that was my question basically

[fierce arch]

Yes, but my point is that he's not the SOLE person for it. He did not contact all Overseers, yes, he did some, but evidence suggests and says he was not the strict person for it. He had a large portion of control, but not solely held power over it.

[topaz fjord]

No but as director i expect him to hold a lot of power over approval etc

[fierce arch]

Yes but not everything, especially if his superiors override things, or tell him no - and give him different directions. That's sort of my point.
The only thing I think he's solely credited for as being the one and only person to do it was create the GECK.

[topaz fjord]

But on a lighter note how in the hell did something like vault 21 get approved given vault tecs love of wild experiments

[nova minnow]

Mr house

[whole totem]

||"RobCo presents... the automated man." Chilling.||

[fierce arch]

Given how crazy the experiments were, i cannot imagine many ideas were rejected.

[fierce arch]

|| I did call it, House abandoned it, and sold it. ||

[topaz fjord]

76s vault tec university states boring or less cruel experiments tended to get vetoed

[dull sandal]

Do we have theories about the post credit scene?

[nova minnow]

So the institute are just chuds

[spark cloud]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/1/1d/Fallout_76_Protest_Sign_10_Aint_a_Commie.png/revision/latest?cb=20191214222606

[fierce arch]

Yes, but a gambling vault is a wild card, plus it played on people's addiction. I have to imagine. lol Which just lead to House winning it in bets, too. I think that wild nature of it was probably why it was okay.

[midnight kiln]

can't get over how emotionally distraught this episode was. i'm going to bed 😭

[whole totem]

||Barb: "There are worse people than me out there, Coop." So, Cooper DOES call her on her bullshit and she does seem to have at least some regret for it, admitting she's a bad person.||

[spark cloud]

Vault 21 is only mild because it was made before $current_year

[topaz fjord]

Its the most banal vault we see even 15 had that potential racial dynamic

[spark cloud]

If FNV was made nowadays it would be actually insane sports betting type shit

[midnight kiln]

the shriveled up cunt it's House in his little "immortal" pod, or whatever the fuck it is 😭

[spark cloud]

Mr House in the cuck chair watching you absolutely demolishing his robo girlfriend tag team with FISTO style

[topaz fjord]

The guy who proposed vault 12 was likely just the lazy guy in the room

[spark cloud]

Some of the vaults did have rational and functional experiments

[topaz fjord]

I know but imagine pitching the vault where the door does not close

[spark cloud]

Most of them were really about testing extreme variables in isolation rather than torturing the inhabitants for fun

[topaz fjord]

Vault 92 white noise brainwashing
Vault 108 power struggles and somehow cloning
Vault 95 was just cruel
Vault 75 teen supersoldiers

[inner marten]

The after credits always have corpses of every faction related to the area with little relation to the story and what actually happens

[topaz fjord]

Vault 111 testing tech they knew worked

[whole totem]

It literally isn't. House's chamber did not have a view of the Strip.

[inner marten]

The post credits are artistic and never look like the in show locations

[fierce arch]

No because the end credit scenes are not canon, and just pieces of keyart/concept art the showrunners throw in at the end.

[spark cloud]

Vault 111 was seeing the limits of cryo stasis. It was never meant to be opened.

[whole totem]

I don't think so. I think Vault-Tec knew the limits of cryo stasis. I think the experiment was actually on the vault's personnel.

[topaz fjord]

The fact they used that tech so frequently pretty much says they knew it worked

[spark cloud]

They did know it worked, they needed long term test subjects though

That's also part of experimenting with known technology

[topaz fjord]

If that was the case it worked since they cracked in no tome

[whole totem]

Yeah pretty much.

That was their real intent, to see how long it'd take for them to crack.

[spark cloud]

The vaults personnel just left. The overseer was waiting for a signal that never came, the guards understood they had a time limit on food supplies.

Pretty shitty experiment if they can just leave immediately

[whole totem]

They didn't "just leave." Have you read the terminals and seen the skeletons? There was a revolt.

[spark cloud]

Compared to 101 which was explicitly testing the Overseer to see how long they could keep people in isolation.

[topaz fjord]

Vault 118 went rogue

[spark cloud]

Yes, the support team was only supposed to stay for 6 months. That's all they had supplies for, which they knew ahead of time. The overseer panicked and didn't want to open the door, so security killed them and the survivors all left.

Kinda shitty experiment if it's basically "will you walk through this door if someone is sitting there asking please don't"

Okay? You needed a whole vault for that?

[topaz fjord]

I still to this day can’t solve the vault 108 experiments connection to cloning

Also 24 seems counterproductive with vault tec being extreme capitilists

[spark cloud]

Vault 108 is weird. It seems like 3 different experiments.

[shy apex]

they arent canon

[topaz fjord]

Whats the third i know of the power vaccum and cloning

[spark cloud]

One is to force residents out early with extra weapons.

One is testing the viability of cloning.

One is testing the functional capability of clones when they begin to spontaneously clone after the original residents have abandoned the vault?

[inner marten]

111 is pretty lame in that is only a device to get the protag to the date of the game. Zero good lore

[topaz fjord]

Are the extra weapons not there to ensure a leadership conflict

[spark cloud]

Like the vault was only supposed to operate for 40 years, secretly failing after 20. But Gary clones are still being produced.

[inner marten]

Yeah we can come up with good theories but it’s lame there isn’t canon

[topaz fjord]

Especially with the show making cryotech so prominent

[spark cloud]

I took it that they wanted to ensure someone would open the vault to get resources, leaving an army of Gary with extra weaponry

[topaz fjord]

I took it more as vault tec ensuring a power vaccum could turn violent if needed

[spark cloud]

Yeah violence is guaranteed

[topaz fjord]

But how gary factors in

[spark cloud]

The Gary's are also hyper aggressive, so they would ratchet up the agitation for the other dwellers

[topaz fjord]

Seems like an unnecessary step that steph and betty have shown you didn’t need to cause chaos in a power vaccum

Vault 106 can you justify that

[spark cloud]

Like I said, it feels like multiple experiments being forced together

The only possible connection would be manufacturing an army of clones with access to weapons to escape into the wilderness once someone cracks open the door.

If there was a reference in 4 that connected them to synth experiments maybe? It's weird. Ha ha, garrrryyyyy

[topaz fjord]

I wonder if the clones were not part of the experiment but a consequence of a lack real leadership

But vault 106 and the drugged air

[whole totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exMt0CSrC3E New Fallout Fake Talkshow!

[ancient musk]

oh shit... i just realized. they showed houses corpse. there will be a red herring where they show house's dead body but then they never check underneath the hat. because his brain will be transplanted to a robot body and this will be the cliffhanger for s3 finale

[topaz fjord]

Automation in the fallout universe wasnt just corporate greed it was a calculated attempt to force people into the military, hence why military training was automated but not soldiers

[spark cloud]

||it's Anthony's dead body||

[solemn geyser]

i believe they are showing House's body is dead but he's said himself he needed cold fusion so he can intigrate with robotics

but due to lacking cold fusion, he had to rely on biological science and preserve himself in a pod

[dark needle]

End credits sequences are not canon

[solemn geyser]

because while the end credits are not completely validating the events. They werent entirely wrong in specific context. Like yea the strip is overrun by Deathclaws.

[vital slate]

Maybe that could be where the platinum chip comes in…?

idk I’m still a platinum chip believer as much as cold fusion interests me

[solemn geyser]

the finale of season 1 shows a conflict in the strip and while we dont see some things. We do know there were deathclaws and there was a conflict that may have happened to kick the NCR out. And the strip is in ruin

So while its not completely canon. Specific aspects actually do represent the show's narrative

[solemn geyser]

the platinum chip was probably a back up plan

[ancient musk]

got proof to back that up? so far they seem to be right

[solemn geyser]

The platinum chip itself is a software. Cold Fusion is a power source

[inner marten]

Yeah the s1 credits had a crashed NCR vertibird on the strip

They are not canon and just for vibes

[solemn geyser]

it may be just for vibes but I do believe some parts of it can be valid for theories

[ancient musk]

the strip isnt just the tiny square. the planned version for the strip was big

[solemn geyser]

And the House pod is way too specific for a design choice imo

[spark cloud]

They aren't nonsense but we can't take them as truth

[inner marten]

What we see in show is full scale and what is the canon strip

[solemn geyser]

unless its changed again in a game

[inner marten]

Yes

[ancient musk]

no we see the lucky 38 and gomorrah

[solemn geyser]

like a remaster.

[ancient musk]

aka like 1/3 of the strip even in the game. its even bigger in lore.

[solemn geyser]

originally the strip wasnt supposed to be separated by walls but due to engine limitations or time it had to be that way

[cinder sleet]

IIRC showrunner said those are keyarts so some details/broader strokes are right but if you take it at face value it is definitely is not canon

[ancient musk]

yea but keyarts for house dead in his pod are kinda self explanatory, his body is gone, or at least someone whos in the pod's body is gone

[solemn geyser]

i do think House dying did happen because it would fall in their "Fog of war" belief that everyone wins and loses by belief. But obviously he would have a backup

[inner marten]

Like the games had the excuse of “hardware limitations” for stuff but the show is full scale irl what you see is what’s there

It’s bigger then game but smaller then concept art

[ancient musk]

not really

[inner marten]

Yes really

[oblique tulip]

That's not concept art

[solemn geyser]

I dont think geography again is accurate to be trusted anyway game or show

You just gotta accept the context of whats going on

[inner marten]

Geography no but scale and such yes

[ancient musk]

yup. the set designers would just be copying that game's homework. and ingame is not the same as in lore.

[inner marten]

Live action is the definitive source for what actually is there and what it looks like

[oblique tulip]

They gonna need muti millions just to make a full Vegas set

[solemn geyser]

that can always change due to bethesda

[inner marten]

Yeah they can always retcon it but untill then this is the canon

[paper radish]

scale? No, not really. Every single video and TV show in existence mess with scale in general

[ancient musk]

go learn about the law of conservation of detail. ingame scales are way. WAY off lore scale. in fo2 ncr is shown as 100 pop settlement but in reality they were tens of thousands

[inner marten]

Yes the games are off, the show isn’t

[ancient musk]

show is based off the game. ergo it is

[solemn geyser]

The show is just another medium. It cant always be perfect. For example, the strip wasnt built in vegas. Its a set they built. If u wanna tell me Vegas in the show is accurate to "IRL" They didnt exactly shoot actual scenes in vegas and ofc thats not possible

[oblique tulip]

War war never changes

[inner marten]

Also the location “NCR” in 2 is just shady sands it had a lower pop then the total NCR population which’s is the 100,000+ number

[inner marten]

Fallout Vegas and real Vegas are not the same city at all

[solemn geyser]

you can walk to the strip in real life rn. Theres no actual place that looks like the strip in the games. The strip in real life is bigger.

[paper radish]

you know the sets aren't real, right? They didn't actually nuke a city, and the interiors you see of a building aren't what's ACTUALLY inside that building from the outside. Scale is and always has been messed with in every single storytelling medium for literally all of history

Things are representations of what it's supposed to be, and that applies to essentially every category

[solemn geyser]

so we are just cherry picking the show is more canon than games. Because Show looks more real life when its based on a fictional world about bombs dropping in America

[inner marten]

What is you definitive source on what the strip looks like and its population and how is it contradicted by the source

[solemn geyser]

Or we can agree both are canon because they are

[ancient musk]

also to double this up, if the legion war camp was to scale then legion's main army consists of maybe 100 people

[solemn geyser]

They are both canon. Its just things change

[inner marten]

Why would they have a single camp?

[ancient musk]

stop coping dude

[inner marten]

Bethesda world maps have never been canon to lore once

[ancient musk]

why would their main army not be around their ceasar during a succession crisis you ask?

[solemn geyser]

Geography isnt canon. Locations are

theres a difference to what you're stating

[inner marten]

Because they literally tell us that they are actively fighting during that time, are you saying there are no legion in Colorado?

[inner marten]

The amount of buildings and such seen in game does not line up with lore about the strip at all

[ancient musk]

actively fighting but not with their main army thats meant to protect the ceasar lol, which according to you is 50-100 people

[inner marten]

What country uses a full army to around its leader at all times

[ancient musk]

its like you actually think the legion fort in nv consisting of 50 people is to scale

[solemn geyser]

i believe Legion has already been broken down after 15 years due to Ceasar's death.

[inner marten]

They need legionaries to be out raiding and stuff to feed themselves

[inner marten]

When have I ever said this?

[solemn geyser]

The ones we see around Ceasar are the ones who still believe in his beliefs. Others would have separated back into their own tribes

[ancient musk]

typically the entire army, during a succession crisis.

[white mantle]

And Westworld! He did that sick-ass Japanese-flavored version of “C.R.E.A.M.”

[inner marten]

And give up all over their lands and territories and let their enemies steam roll them? Okay

[white mantle]

https://youtu.be/__DEAK3AinM?si=-rkn1fkRt33iXnwJ

[ancient musk]

its depicted as similar in scale, which according to you is canon. since you claimed tv show set design = lore

[inner marten]

I don’t even think the legion camp in the show is the fort

We have no reason to believe it is

[ancient musk]

lol you just agreed with me they have supporting elements taking care of that

[inner marten]

This is a forward camp on the other side of the Colorado from the fort

[vapid island]

I dont get why a bunch of ppl are claim synths are in the show so much firdt the claim harkin was one now random people and barabra and now coop like how does this even make sense

[inner marten]

Nobody is saying this

[ancient musk]

dude you are being intentionalyl dumb LOL, you just said the tv show scale is canon and according to you the 50 ppl at the camp are all they have safeguarding 2 potential ceasars

[vapid island]

Not here but on X

[paper radish]

people have 100% said that, I've seen it on twitter and YouTube in the past days

[vapid island]

Indeed

[inner marten]

Who the fuck uses twitter

[vapid island]

Millions do most used app world wide

[fierce arch]

People on twitter typically lack any concept of what actually goes on in the show, so i mean. It tracks.

[vapid island]

Lmao true

[inner marten]

Millions of bots

[white mantle]

Child pornographers and those who don’t mind sharing a platform with child pornographers.

[solemn geyser]

they dont watch the show and only view through amazon clips lol

[paper radish]

....wait until you hear about discord

[inner marten]

I just disagree with the fact that ceasers camp needs to be surrounded by their entire army

[oblique tulip]

Discord has those

[solemn geyser]

i would also argue if they need to engage in a civil war. Who's giving orders to their extended forces

[ancient musk]

then youdont know much about how tribals wage war. the entire army with incas for examples typically congregate around their emperor

[fierce arch]

Yeah, I would agree.
Surface level people that don't understand how dialogue works. It's the same morons who take one line of dialogue in the show and scream it as a confirmation.
Lacking any level of subtext or understanding.

[white mantle]

Sorry, a platform where the owner thinks it’s hilarious that the users are making child pornography.

[solemn geyser]

Like im starting to believe the "Legion" in the east are separate factions who still bare the flag but are not officially lead by any Ceasar

They may all have their own ceasars

[fierce arch]

There was some dude in here yesterday that tried using Ai pictures and saying it was from Amazon. lol

[inner marten]

The legion (assuming no changes since game which is not given) has thousands of square miles of territory. Congregating every single soldier in one camp is dumb as fuck

[ancient musk]

they would basically be tributary states, the idea of legion empire was always silly

[solemn geyser]

tbh amazon showing an AI image wouldnt have surprised me

[vapid island]

Hell discord has ukriane gov. To help in there war to talk lol

[solemn geyser]

join the raid guys

[fierce arch]

nah but someone made ai edits to the trailers and reposted them.

[ancient musk]

again, that's just how real life works.

[vapid island]

Lol

[inner marten]

To simply not

[solemn geyser]

i see them so much and hate it especially when it comes to Star Wars

[ancient musk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cajamarca?useskin=vector cope

[white mantle]

That would be realistically what would happen. It’s what happened with Alexander the Great. No clear line of succession, no real plan beyond “conquer and hold shit”

[fierce arch]

idc mostly, just as long as we recognize the difference between what's official and what isn't - sadly the guy was claiming it was official.

[vapid island]

And also not to mention twitter has free speech unlike most countries

[paper radish]

that's so incredibly and deeply untrue on so many levels on both sides of your statement

[solemn geyser]

whats even this Legion arguement im lost on so many levels

[vapid island]

Prove an example

[white mantle]

No it doesn’t. FREE ITALIAN ELON MUSK

[vapid island]

Prove it

[paper radish]

this subject does seem to have veered away from Ep. 5 of the Fallout TV show though lol

[vapid island]

True mb

[solemn geyser]

i do kinda wish the Norm story had faster pacing

I kinda hate we are rotating sometimes with Lucy Ghoul and Maximus Thaddeus. But then Norm and 31. And also Pre War and Vault 32 and 33

[oblique tulip]

We haven't seen max in 3+ esls

[solemn geyser]

Because I really wanted more House in pre war

[paper radish]

what would the alternative to that be though, short of cutting some storylines entirely? I think they're doing a good job of keeping interest going for each different story

[solemn geyser]

i dont thing Vault 33/32 story is important for the season atm

I like Norms stuff. Maximus and Thaddeus could use more time and the Brotherhood Civil War/

I would love more pre war especially with House

[spark cloud]

No more brotherhood

[paper radish]

the brotherhood episode was episode 3; episode 5 just came out this week

[solemn geyser]

Like i feel the pre war stuff took a step back this season because of so much stuff going on

[scenic hazel]

honestly the story is really about the ghoul

[paper radish]

Honestly I'd like more of everything though, but DEFINITELY including more pre war House

[scenic hazel]

we just meet the bad guys firs,t hank

[solemn geyser]

like i wish the Alaskan Front had more screentime. Or more context about Moldavor

[oblique tulip]

Still my point we haven't seem them in awhile

[paper radish]

I don't think we're seeing the full picture of how it all connects yet, I think that'll be coming in S3

[scenic hazel]

fuck season 3 is announced

[solemn geyser]

my issue with that plot is they are tryna build it but they could easily have better setup in s3

[paper radish]

lol yeah, a while back

[fierce arch]

Been announced, filming begins May 1st.

[solemn geyser]

They could have more time to do that subplot

[scenic hazel]

thats hot

awwwe yeah

[fierce arch]

We're not getting everything this season, more stuff will be in next season too. I imagine pre-war stuff, too.

[solemn geyser]

And sometimes Norm's plot gets weakened because i wanna see more about FEV but we are basically fed bread crumbs until we get to the point

Like FEV is hinted in ep4. Then we get confirmation in ep5. Like the pacing is a bit too slow imo for what is essentially a thing thats important

Like chicken fucker is great and he stole this episode

[fierce arch]

Nah I think the pacing is fine, I actually don't expect that plot to take off this season at all.

I'd be surprised if they fully complete it, I'm fully expecting that to be the Enclave tie in, more so.

[solemn geyser]

i think they are as we know there is a scene between the Dwellers vs the Legion from leaks but its just setting up way too long and unsure what the main goal is yk

[fierce arch]

I only expect certain arcs to get completely this season, for things to come full circle next season to tie-in to Fallout 5.

[pulsar lake]

you know.

i think chicken MD has a bigger role to play than we expect

[paper radish]

well you have to establish things early on and spend some time with them to allow payoff later. Not to mention if we didn't have a vault-specific subplot you can pretty much guarantee people will complain about the fallout show not being in a vault more

[solemn geyser]

Like Norm is learning about FEV and things but im still sorta confused what his goal is in the end of the day

[fierce arch]

That was BTS footage, we have no idea if that will actually occur or not.

[pulsar lake]

that whole FEV bit tied to V32/33?

im quite certain chicken MD valready ransacked that supply of FEV.

[paper radish]

recreating how players play the game lol

[pulsar lake]

thaddeus might not be turning into a ghoul but something else, you know

[solemn geyser]

well ig thats what bud meant by "Super Managers"

[wary oxide]

@spark cloud No memes, Rules 2

[solemn geyser]

Norm's whole story is basically using Words where the first letters are actually a diff meaning.

like FEV or "Super Managers" could mean "Super Mutants" or idk whatever is next

Like honestly I could have found Norm's story more important rn if we just had a clear goal what hes doing

Like maybe the Vault 31 dwellers he needs so he can find a Water chip and save his vaults like the Fallout 1 plot. And while that hes learning about FEV and the experiments. But overall hes been more just a vessel so viewers learn what FEV is

[ancient musk]

or they are just following the mongol way, with their entire army congregating around their leader and just relying on displays of violance to keep the peace thru fear. we really havent seen them organizing their forces in any way to suggest they would have multiple legions, although it would make sense with their supposed large land empire. and considering they lack any sort of rapid transit options

[vapid island]

Centaur

[oblique tulip]

He cant

[vapid island]

he can

[zenith terrace]

That's the thing he doesn't even have a clear goal

His entire objective right now is avoid getting everyone killed

[solemn geyser]

Well what I liked about Norm and Chet's arc in season 1 was because of their discovery about the vaults. They are still doing that now but its a little more complex

[oblique tulip]

He can't it's impossible they're needs to be more then one person in fev to become one

[zenith terrace]

I think Thaddeus is going his own direction

Genetically, that is

[solemn geyser]

he prob drank some mutation vile similar to Fallout 76

[zenith terrace]

Ghoul-esque anomalies aren't unprecedented overall

[solemn geyser]

which also begs the question how did Chicken Fucker get ahold of them since they were in Enclave facility

[zenith terrace]

In fact they're quite thoroughly precedented aren't they

[zenith terrace]

I hope they never tell us how he did it

[solemn geyser]

he has a high sneak skill, he'd make it

[zenith terrace]

Maybe the chicken fucker is the courier...

[solemn geyser]

thats the thing is its like the No Bark theory.

[oblique tulip]

AFTER old world blues courier became a chicken fucker

[solemn geyser]

Chicken Fucker killed Ulysses

Tbh that could be why we never see Long 15 is because maybe its nuked

They have weirdly avoided that location and it starts to make sense they started with Novac first to avoid those endings

and leave up to player interpretation

we also dont see Caravans wandering throughout this season

[scenic hazel]

llol bro this so funny i think i said my nieghbor is named ulysses

[slow portal]

wow...

what an ep...best one yet imo

why do fans think the show is ruining the lore lmao, not played 1 and 2 but played a bunch of new vegas and it seems to mostly be accurate to the lore in that game

[solemn geyser]

well to people who do have valid criticism. I would argue its mostly due to pacing and maybe better explanations

The show likes to put everything into interpretation which also sparks debate and confusion

and this is a series where we often have like 100 terminal entires, notes, characters and basically 100s of ways to analyze lore in different perspectives

[slow portal]

how does that ruin the lore though?

[solemn geyser]

it doesnt

it more so just leaves questions into debates that end in a loop

like we have already argued about geography or whatever and picking which is more canon than the other

[paper radish]

LOL not the Fallout instagram account putting this in their story today

nestled among FOTV clips

[slow portal]

oh ok

[solemn geyser]

so basically yes the Deathclaws are controlled

[slow portal]

this was also a thing in fo3

thought it was pretty obvious someone was mind controlling it, almost certainly the Enclave

since they did it in fo3

[dark needle]

Plus them making Intelligent deathclaws in 2

[plucky knot]

So sad horrigan ripped them apart

[balmy drum]

For season 3
I want to see the Midwest
Give me the Midewest BOS
Give me Chicago Enclave
Give me THE CALCULATOR!!!

[late lion]

I don't have too many thoughts on this episode if I'm honest but there are plenty of issues, as usual. But it's mostly with the layout of things. The Lucky 38 interior, the Atomic Wrangler interior, where Mick & Ralphs is, where The Kings Clubhouse is, all wrong. They don't even try to do that stuff right, and make it look like the game. It just shows a lack of care.

Not much new was revealed this episode in terms of lore and world space, we knew The Strip was destroyed already and we knew The Kings were dead. So yeah, not much new to talk about.

However there is one issue that they presented that really annoyed me, and that's retconning Vault 21 to be a hotel pre war. Doesn't make any sense. Screws with New Vegas some as well. Don't like it. Dumb decision.

Still waiting on confirmation as to who the House we see in the game is, the real one, the body double. It's still up in the air, guess we'll have to wait to see.

But that's about it, not much to talk about this time. Same old mistakes.

[solemn geyser]

i dont really see anything wrong with vauly 21 being a hotel pre war because its incredibly niche.

[plucky knot]

It’s really doesn’t change much

[topaz fjord]

Vault 21 being a hotel kinda explains how how sarah was able to pull that gambit

[solemn geyser]

Llike yea how else are u just gonna build a vault set in the vegas strip of all places that also happens to be about gambling

u ofc invite people to do gambling lol

[late lion]

Well the lore we get in New Vegas about it, contradicts it being a hotel pre war. That's the issue. There was already established lore around that, and now it was changed for no reason.

[ancient musk]

i'd rather them not try to replicate the game's locations 1:1, because we already know the game is not representative of the actual in-lore place. so it just reinforces the idea that the strip is this tiny tiny area

[plucky knot]

It doesn’t change much I mean there was a hospital that had a vault what’s stopping a hotel the people who lived nearby or maybe who were renting out the hotel room at the time were probably the ones who got in

[ancient musk]

but i know they do it so people can do the dicaprio point at the screen thing

[topaz fjord]

Vault 21 was a hotel and became one again since someone appeal to houses nostalgia explained

[fierce arch]

It doesn't. It always just convinces me that most people who whine about the show, like Chris Avalone, don't actually know much. It takes some real special talent for the original creators and devs of 1 and 2 enjoying the show, and even praising it while the fnv devs welcomed it and even helped on set. It's just crazy to me the denial people live in, lol

[late lion]

This is where you are wrong, the game is representative of what The Strip looks like. In fact everything in the Mojave, Commonwealth, Capital Wasteland and so on are exactly as they appear in game. How do we know that? Because we experience these locations in game. Seeing a location in game is more accurate than reading a description. This is such a silly take to have honestly. People need to stop with this idea, makes zero sense.

[solemn geyser]

All ive read about 21 is its just a vault with a social experiment for gambling. The dwellers had to gamble whether they should stay or join the strip. Theres no actual background what the Vault was doing prewar

[plucky knot]

Exactly

[ancient musk]

another person who needs to look up what the law of conservation of detail means

[solemn geyser]

So unless ive completely missed something. 21 being a hotel pre war doesnt change anything in an impactful way about the present lore

[plucky knot]

I’m pretty sure house sealed everything else off with concrete but who’s to say people who rented to rooms didn’t live in the vault for a time

[topaz fjord]

In fact hotel makes sense thats some premium land

[solemn geyser]

Like yea its a Hotel. A vault hotel. Thats called marketing

[topaz fjord]

He sealed most of it off yes

[fierce arch]

You didn't. You're correct.

[solemn geyser]

it became a hotel again because Sarah revived the idea

[fierce arch]

The hotel is the most logical change to the Vault, which is what I think is the intention.

[topaz fjord]

And face it house is nostalgic he likes emulating the past

[solemn geyser]

It wasnt a hotel right after the bombs because by then everyones evacuated into the vault

[late lion]

Chris Avellone knows Fallout way better than Todd Howard or the Nolan guy running the show. They don't know Fallout at all and honestly they don't care in the slightest. Avellone had real talent, maybe Cain did too but have you seen Outer Worlds 2? He worked on it. It's.... really bad. The ones who call out the show issues are the truest of fans.

[solemn geyser]

i would argue knowing the most niche things like Fisto the goddamn sex bot is way better than most game adaptations ive seen tryna write a show

like u cant just pull shit out of ur ass unless u knew this specific thing existed

[late lion]

It was a proper vault until House offered the citizens to join New Vegas. This completely changes and screws up the existing lore

[fierce arch]

Yeah, I'm not engaging with you if you're pulling the same "true fan" BS you did last week.

[ancient musk]

i really dislike the notion that avellone was instrumental to FNV. he basically just helped with DLC and some companions.

[plucky knot]

And I don’t even think his name is said in the show it’s pretty muhh ch implied

[topaz fjord]

But nothing here changes that

[fierce arch]

Same. He wasn't. He gets credit for shit he didn't do.

[late lion]

I can't conversate with you any further, you don't seem to understand how lore and how games work. We just aren't the same.

[topaz fjord]

It was a vault that was also a hotel

[plucky knot]

Is this the same POS who was arguing constantly last week

[solemn geyser]

bro rlly pulled the "you're not a fallout fan" card

[topaz fjord]

Then became a hotel again after the vault was shut

[fierce arch]

He does this every fucking week.

[solemn geyser]

in the big 26 is crazy

[ancient musk]

no you are right, megaton is actually a city that houses 20 people

[paper radish]

Yes it is, he shows up every week to do this

[solemn geyser]

like ive had my fair share of getting pissing in the server. But i would never deny someone is not a fan just because they know less or more than me

[late lion]

It's not bullshit. Avellone knows Fallout better than most. It's a simple fact. I like to think I know it pretty well, and the hardcore players care about this stuff. The casuals don't. It is what it is

[fierce arch]

Agreed. He comes in, disagrees with everyone and says you're not a true fan, ever since the episode channels opened up.

[hybrid bough]

I wonder how big mother and alpha deathclaws are compared to the standard ones we see in the show.

[late lion]

Never said that today

[hybrid bough]

Also, what do you guys think is the unknown variable House tells us?

[solemn geyser]

"we are not the same" is the most reddit statement ive heard

[plucky knot]

Enclave

[fierce arch]

The Enclave, 100%

[plucky knot]

I’d be shocked if it wasn’t

[late lion]

The way we see it in the game IS the lore, IS the truth. You are making fanfiction by saying it's anything else

[hybrid bough]

Also what's this previous debate about

[ancient musk]

I mean I love DM, and I'm only saying this because I used to be his dickrider, but so many area designers, and world designers worked on FNV that don't get no credit.

[fierce arch]

Fancy, don't. Just disengage. He'll argue with you about it for an hour. It's not worth it.

[hybrid bough]

Can someone give me a recap on it

[fierce arch]

John Gonzalez.

[late lion]

Well we're not. He can't understand what happens in the game is the canon, is the lore. There are different levels of fans of everything, no? Hardcores, casuals, etc.

[fierce arch]

Chris Avalone gets credit for a lot of what John Gonzalez does and it PMO.

[solemn geyser]

i dont really engage in which dev did who and who did more. I wasnt in the room

[hybrid bough]

Gameplay is not at all a representation of actual lore

[topaz fjord]

First of all fallout new vegas has some thing under represented due to limitations freeside and new vegas

[late lion]

So dismissive, so rude

[ancient musk]

Yeah I mention him every time key people are brought up. I think he had something interesting to say about the show too actually.

[ancient musk]

TROLOLOLOLOL

[solemn geyser]

like i dont like the whole "Todd Howard hates new vegas" because its incredibly weird that it matters

[hybrid bough]

According to this Vegas has like 30-40 visitors.

[solemn geyser]

like idc what Todd thinks the dudes a guy.

[late lion]

It literally is. Architecture is not up to debate. How you do something in a game, a choice you make is up to interpretation. Structures are fact. We see them as they are. This is really simple, how do so many people not realize this

[hybrid bough]

Architecture is also not lore

[plucky knot]

I don’t like Todd and I do think he may be butt hurt by NV but I think the show is amazing

[ancient musk]

Actually everything is up for interpretation. Lore is not real, it's an abstract fantasy world. Therefore any representation of it is also not real.

[hybrid bough]

Unless dialogue or a written piece of information says so, it's also just gameplay. Everything is scaled down 16 times in Fallout 4 for example

[solemn geyser]

its more like im tired New Vegas fans are weird but im also tired of seeing fans believe all new vegas fans are weird

[late lion]

It's beyond obvious he does, he has destroyed everything in New Vegas. Primm destroyed, Camp McCarran destroyed, The Strip destroyed, NCR destroyed, Legion destroyed. It's as obvious as the sky being blue.

[solemn geyser]

dude bungie killed Sgt johnson in halo 3. I dont think they hated him lol

[ancient musk]

He also rotated the dinky

[fierce arch]

They are weird, some good ones, but a lot of weirdos. It's the puritan mindset, the second coming to christ mindset that is super annoying.

[hybrid bough]

[topaz fjord]

Avalone also wanted to wipe the ncr out

[late lion]

Architecture is part of it. The way things appear in game is how they actually are. I will not continue this pointless conversation with you since you clearly don't understand how games and lore work.

[hybrid bough]

okay, keep living in your delusions for all I care

[solemn geyser]

Like okay yea sure lets say Todd hates new vegas. Why does it literally matter when he clearly isnt 100% creative control of the series.

[topaz fjord]

You know the gates inside the strip are just their for gameplay reasons

[late lion]

This is not even remotely the same thing, you are purposefully staying in ignorance. Wake up to who Todd and BGS are.

[fierce arch]

Every week is like this. 🙂

[ancient musk]

The game isn't real btw, it's just a series of 3d models arranged around like a movie set.

[late lion]

Lore is lore. If you don't care, just say so.

[topaz fjord]

Todd is the bud askins of bethesda a mouth piece at best

[hybrid bough]

this is the first time I've seen him

so rude, so dismissive

[plucky knot]

What did you expect NV was on the brink of chaos everyone was doing terrible shit to each other

[solemn geyser]

i heavily doubt the new guy working at BGS is brainwashed to believe New Vegas is a slop

[fierce arch]

[late lion]

The way 3 of the endings in New Vegas go, The Strip should've been a near impenetrable fortress.

[plucky knot]

Doesn’t rlly matter and does not make Boone no longer canon what’s to say the people of novac rotated it wasn’t it facing the east before for the legion and now it faces the west because they do not need to worry about them

[topaz fjord]

Why the securitrons are not infallible

[fierce arch]

ALL THE FNV DEVS AND BETHESDA ARE CHILL. They literally talk and hang out the FNV devs are usually supporting Bethesda even Tim Cain loves the show, so does John Gonzalez. The only one that doesn't is Avalone, but he's a child imho.

[ancient musk]

I'm arguing that the depiction of things in a medium where detail is often compressed isn't real. Even if you filmed it with film cameras, it's not real.

[late lion]

because I care more than most of you, simple fact. Fallout means something to me, you guys don't care what they do.

[solemn geyser]

like people obsessed over Kathleen Kennedy with star wars and like i get it but shes just a shitty leader not someone with a vendetta against fans. Its the same thing with Fallout when people care way too much about devs and todd more than they do.

[plucky knot]

It got overran by death claws those things are walking impenetrable fortresses

[shy apex]

You don’t care more than any of us. You think you do. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s got one , doesn’t mean they’re good

[paper radish]

at what point do mods care about intentional trolls who shows up to harass people every week?

[topaz fjord]

Also they confirmed this episode its been changing hands as lines of war change

[paper radish]

Just outta curiosity, of course

[late lion]

Lmao 3 Deathclaws are gonna wipe out an NCR army or Securitron army? Stop it!

[topaz fjord]

Its more than 3, we just see three

[plucky knot]

There’s probably more of them that’s just what we see

[shy apex]

There wasn’t a securitron army

[fierce arch]

Your opinion is not gospel. You come in here every week and act like your opinion is the act of God and anyone who disagrees with you is lesser than. We went through this last week, and the week before, and the week before. You're not better than any of us in here mate.

[solemn geyser]

ive always said this. if the hobby gets to the point hating it is now your identity. Get a different hobby

Stop engaging with it. stop spending money on it

[topaz fjord]

Can you speak to some football fans i know

[late lion]

Intentional troll? I am NOT trolling. I am venting about my passion being destroyed by a bunch of hateful aholes. It is well within my right to do so. I am not breaking any rules today. I called no one a fake fan, all I have said is some care more than others.

[solemn geyser]

those guys are insane they'll kill me

[plucky knot]

I’ve only seen him here the past 2 weeks I don’t get how someone can come back every week

[shy apex]

We saw 5 securitrons in the show. 1 is pre war version of the only 1 still functional. 1 is destroyed as per the events of the show , and the rest were long destroyed

[fierce arch]

He's been here since episode 1.

[plucky knot]

You literally said people aren’t true fans

Your straight up lying

[late lion]

Why are you making up stuff that isn't there? There is 3 deathclaws. Why do people think there's all these things that exist that we literally see do not.

[topaz fjord]

Look in 15 years according to freeside the strip changed hands many times

[topaz fjord]

Because there are eggs about

[plucky knot]

Yea that’s why we see there’s prolly a lot more beyond the walls

[shy apex]

Your the one saying there’s a securitron army that literally doesn’t exist in the show

[topaz fjord]

The eggs imply presence of more

[late lion]

Hell no! Why should these hateful people drive me out?

[solemn geyser]

because ur also not enjoying yourself

[shy apex]

You are quite literally the only hateful person here

[solemn geyser]

You should engage in a hobby because you enjoy it.

[paper radish]

every single week you claim nobody else likes Fallout and that nobody understands how games or anything work. Repeatedly hostile every time.
Trolling is also just spreading hostility and negativity, which is 100% of your intention every time. I have yet to see a single good-faith discussion about anything.
You are, by every definition, a troll.

[shy apex]

You’ve been winging about the show every week calling people fake fans and saying your opinion is all that matters

[solemn geyser]

or stop engaging with the new stuff

[late lion]

At the end of New Vegas there is either a Securitron Army and NCR Army controlling The Strip. A few deathclaws aren't gonna be a problem for either.

[fierce arch]

You're the only hateful person in here dude, you come in here and are always disruptive. All you do is act as if your opinion is superior.

[shy apex]

We have seen 5 securitrons in the show, there is no securitron army patrolling the strip

[slow wadi]

So the Ghoul is gonna regenerate right

[late lion]

Well some aren't. I didn't say anyone here isn't, but there are people who just aren't. They're super casual.

[solemn geyser]

like its not even helpful to just walk into a discussion with people who obv wanna discuss things they like and be the odd1out. Its not an echo chamber it just doesnt help discussion

[shy apex]

They exist, they have not been activated

[topaz fjord]

15 have passed, and the legion has attacked multiple times attrition set in

[fierce arch]

Yes he'll be fine.

[paper radish]

most certainly, yeah

[slow wadi]

Give him some Slime Cake he'll be right

[fierce arch]

Some toxic goo for good measure.

[plucky knot]

Maybe it wasn’t death claws maybe the NCR overran the strip and then left the Mojave or the remaining NCR soldiers in the Mojave did

[late lion]

Never said I was better than any of you, do I notice the issues more than many of you yeah? Do I care more? Probably so.

[shy apex]

You’ve literally said you were better than us multiple times what are you on

[late lion]

I won't let them rob Fallout from me, no matter how much I have issues with it

[solemn geyser]

you care because a youtuber told you to care bucko

[fierce arch]

No, you can try and be slick with your words but no one is stupid here. We can all see what you're implying when you type.

[slow wadi]

Tbh Fallout "fans" are the same level of toxic as star wars "fans"

[topaz fjord]

They state outright the legion has attacked enough times for the strip to keep changing hands

[plucky knot]

Nobodies trying to rob you of fallout lmao

[fierce arch]

Nah SW fans are worse. The shit I've seen those mfs do is on a whole different scale. Lol

[plucky knot]

I must’ve missed this when and where is it said

[topaz fjord]

Shop keep talks about ncr legion etc

[slow wadi]

It's sad cause I love star wars too. But Holy shit does the "fanbase" actually make me cringe

[plucky knot]

So the NCr controlled the strip for a lil then the legion and it kept happening?

[fierce arch]

People have different interpretations of what the Bartender is saying.

[solemn geyser]

Andor gave me like a month of peace

[peak grove]

i dont know that the bartender meant specifically the strip

[plucky knot]

Real shit I’m hyped for the maul show tho

[slow wadi]

I'm just glad we're getting good fallout content lately. The shows been slow but it's getting good now. I just wish we were getting 10 eps instead of 8

[peak grove]

i think he was talking abt the mojage in general

[late lion]

Never said no one likes Fallout. It's true, people think what we see in game isn't the way it actually is. It's LITERALLY the game. It's the only real source. I'm not spreading hostility, I am spreading the truth and VENTING about said truth. Call me a troll, I don't care. All you did was make me ignore you going forward. You aren't one to have conversation with.

[solemn geyser]

like ah finally we arnt having this bullshit complaining and the show's good

[fierce arch]

Yeah it's the doxing and openly going after families and shit that is unhinged to me. I havent seen that happen in Fallout, yet.

[shy apex]

Bear and bull bear and bull bear and bull

[topaz fjord]

Like one of ’em merry-go-rounds. NCR. Legion. NCR. Legion. Fuckin’ robots. No matter to me. Always somebody tryna tell us what to do. Long as they don’t come ’round and charge me taxes, I don’t give a fuck. [chuckles] Don’t try to charge me taxes, lizard. I’ll shoot your goddamn head off.
Exact quote

[plucky knot]

What’s ur interpretation of what happened to the strip

[fierce arch]

TRUE, Ulysses, get out from behind the bar counter!

[peak grove]

the bartender is actually chris avellone. who knew

[late lion]

I don't care what youtubers say, I care what I feel

[shy apex]

If he was Chris Avellone he wouldn’t have shut up

[topaz fjord]

So ulessys then

[plucky knot]

Doing lonesome road dlc

[peak grove]

yeah on that topic of toxic fandoms, fallout is a rare one where i dont generally hate the fans, but i do hate some of the writers

[fierce arch]

I think it was a little nod to Ulysses's dialogue tbh. Because Coop responded by telling him to shut up. NCR, Legion. NCR, Legion. - Bear bull, Bear bull.

[peak grove]

specifically chris

[late lion]

I don't know how much that statement is true, but I think you're very wrong. Some care more than others, what's wrong with that? I happen to be one that cares more. Simple

[shy apex]

I didn’t hate fans beforehand I certainly do now

[peak grove]

he's come off as so whiney in his feedback about the show

[plucky knot]

So then maybe like the NCr controlled the strip for a bit then with some legion raids which left them drained and eventually the death claws finished them off

[solemn geyser]

ebraheim from the bear quit at "The italian Beef" back east and now works at the wranglers 200 years later to serve drinks instead of sandwiches. crazy

[topaz fjord]

Your trying to antagonise people now

[fierce arch]

But I also take stuff that characters like bartenders say with a grain of salt, I don't 100% believe them, not without more evidence.

[late lion]

Todd is, Nolan is, BGS are with every release. The fans who support this are.

[shy apex]

Todd hates new Vegas Todd hates new Vegas Todd hates new Vegas he’s ruining my playthroughs I hate him I hate him I hate him

[topaz fjord]

A lot of times passed the two armies have suffered attrition

[plucky knot]

No I mean what do you think happened to the strip not the nod to Ulyesses

[topaz fjord]

Todd the brain in a roomba

[plucky knot]

Who the fuck is Nolan

[peak grove]

yeah man, todd howard and bgs hate fallout, they only invited the one of the original devs to the red carpet premiere of s1

[late lion]

the show is NOT good, some aspects are decent but the damage this has done to Fallout is soooo screwed up

[peak grove]

the same dev who sung the show's praises in his own review

[plucky knot]

Ig I’ll have to wait for next weeks episode hopefully we learn more

[shy apex]

The only damage it’s done to fallout is show how many ‘fans’ are completely media illiterate

[late lion]

The showrunner who claims he's a fan yet all he mentioned really loving is Fallout 3

[solemn geyser]

the next game doesnt come out until im in a retirement home

[late lion]

Yeah your point?

[solemn geyser]

point is who fucking cares

[topaz fjord]

And your issue with fallout 3

[paper radish]

it's genuinely astounding

[solemn geyser]

Its like the star wars fucking mitachlori-fuckwit who cares

[shy apex]

The only thing it ruins is people’s playthroughs that now can’t be cannon even though they NEVER WERE

[peak grove]

and also honestly expecting a busy director to have enough time and patience to play the interplay era games. half joke

[late lion]

Calling me illiterate, very nice! Just say you don't really care at this point

[smoky wren]

So this episode points to the Enclave being the big bad
Not house, not vault tech, but Big E themselves

[shy apex]

You are illiterate, since I didn’t call YOU media illiterate

[peak grove]

yeah, theyre for sure the other player

[hazy axle]

What in the goddamn...

[late lion]

EXACTLY the problem. So many don't! I do!

[shy apex]

I mean, good on you for admitting to it, but maybe that wasn’t the best decision

[solemn geyser]

oh wow the kings are ghouls this mean the show is bad. Guys the kings were not this important im sorry.

[plucky knot]

I think he just killed the alpha and mother

[fierce arch]

It's actually sad, and really pathetic. It's exposed the tourists. At least for what it's worth, it's validated my opinion that most FNV fans are in denial about the lore and don't read it. Not all, but a good fucking chunk of them only surface level read the lore or story.

[peak grove]

i imagine we'll get a flashback in the episode named "other player" to the meeting from the s1 finale and see who that shadowy figure watching barb was

[shy apex]

There’s like 5 king ghouls and we know there will be non ghoul kings, lol

[ancient musk]

didnt realize it first but yeah bartender basically confirmed what i suspected first. the NCR won the 2nd battle, then legion attrition warfare ruined the strip over time

[smoky wren]

Or there were eggs that the courier didn't smash and or steal

[topaz fjord]

Thank you thank you very much

[paper radish]

what do you mean, they must be important, their name is king lol

[smoky wren]

Explain

[peak grove]

to be entirely honest, a rational courier probably realistically wouldn't have even gotten near quarry junction

[shy apex]

The kings were glorified gang members getting paid off for protection, literal gang protection racket mob

[late lion]

You were talking to no one else in here, you meant me. Can't hide from that

[plucky knot]

When is episode the other player coming out because it’s clear that’s when we know when houses unknown variable is

[fierce arch]

You can't read man, it's really sad.

[topaz fjord]

The legion regrouped and attacked again

[shy apex]

No I was talking generally, not my fault you can’t understand the basics

[smoky wren]

But.... Mama I'm the king baby

[peak grove]

episode 7

[solemn geyser]

"guys the dino is facing the wrong way because boone has to fucking see the legions"

Okay so what if novac itself was rotated the other way. Even then do i even give 10 fucks about this little factoid.

[late lion]

It's just another example of Todd crapping all over a product better than anything he has ever made

[plucky knot]

Fuck me 😭

[peak grove]

so end of the month

[late lion]

yeah okay bud! We all believe that.

[peak grove]

okay this has to be bait

[shy apex]

Everyone but you, yeah

[fierce arch]

Who is we?

[topaz fjord]

Do you think todd is that important

[late lion]

Another one

[shy apex]

Again it’s not my fault your actually illiterate here,

[ancient musk]

i said it ages ago, but the NCR won the battle, but legion kept probing them over time and they outpaced the NCR reinforcements, along with the nuke happening caused NCR to pull back, but then the legion succession crisis happened sometime after that and now we're here. we basically have the legion timeline established because of the bartender comment

[plucky knot]

Hopefully it explains how house is still online then

[solemn geyser]

like i cared about geography and i debated with @fierce arch about this. But i genuinely dont care in the end of the day because the show is good i just dont agree with certain things. end of the day im still enjoying myself.

[shy apex]

This is literally your own fault. My dude

[hazy axle]

TODD DID NOT MAKE THIS SHOW

[smoky wren]

Can't wait for the Enclave reveal

[solemn geyser]

if i can still find enjoyment in my hobby. Ill gladly take it

[hazy axle]

STOP WITH THIS SWEET LITTLE LIE

[shy apex]

You took insult from something that wasn’t insulting you and now I have to insult you out of principle because you actually couldn’t read

[solemn geyser]

anjd if theres stuff thats shit i would call it out

[fierce arch]

We have good debates tho fr.

[fierce arch]

Lmao

[late lion]

How is this even remotely bait? OMG is this a BGS fan hub or some crap? You do know 85% of their products are slop right? Fallout 3 was solid, Fallout 4 was good. Everything else has been crap.

[smoky wren]

NCR courier confirmed

[solemn geyser]

but like i legit cant have the energy to hate fallout 4 in 2026. it a 10 year old game

[ancient musk]

imo the fact ppl are angry about minor discrepancies like physical depictions of places means the show is kinda good

[shy apex]

‘Everything else’ there’s one game other than what you said

[topaz fjord]

Just ignore sirwingy he is entitled to his opinions but we don’t have to listen

[peak grove]

ive been seeing a lot of theories. one that interested me is 'abomination in a pod' house was always the body double, with the mind control chip stuck in his neck where we couldnt see. feels very ret-conny, but i like it

[late lion]

Executive Producer.... and people tell me I can't read

[hazy axle]

"everything else" is just 76 though?

[late lion]

Elder Scrolls

[hazy axle]

So... Neither writer nor director

[plucky knot]

I don’t rlly like this take simply because I don’t see why house is online if we find out and NCR is canon I’ll praise you

[ancient musk]

the courier was implied NCR citizen from the getgo, or at least he worked for the NCR

[smoky wren]

"Man the dinosaur isn't facing the right way after 20 years since new Vegas, show is shit"

[topaz fjord]

Executive producers have little to do with day to day running

[hazy axle]

Different franchise

[late lion]

There you go, you admitted you don't care. That is why we aren't the same level of fan

[shy apex]

Boone is likely dead anyway, they don’t need the Dino facing the,

[peak grove]

people really were mad abt that though

[plucky knot]

Taht would mean there are 2 pods

[late lion]

Yet New Vegas is still better than any of those games

[shy apex]

You just did it again.

[fierce arch]

Brother - You actually need to touch grass.

[late lion]

it eats at Todd

[solemn geyser]

I dont care to scream my ass off at bethesda everyday because i will go play warhamemr and enjoy a better experience. But the show is good and thats why im here

[smoky wren]

But he also did avoid the NCR after what happened with the divide

[shy apex]

He needs to touch a planetoid, there’s not enough grass on this planet to be touched that could fix this case

[hazy axle]

Elite alpha sigma fan spotted

[topaz fjord]

I am sure he cares so much on his pile of money

[solemn geyser]

I dont spend money on fallout 76 mtx because i dont play fo76.

[late lion]

They come to him with decisions, he is the final say

[shy apex]

He’s literally not

[hazy axle]

Source: you made it up

[plucky knot]

Aight im outa here yall stressing me out

[paper radish]

lol when people think an executive producer directly makes every single nuanced story decision. That's NOT what any executive producer does.

[topaz fjord]

Todd howard is bud askins

[shy apex]

Why would Todd remotely care about new Vegas in the way your suggesting, it gets him money daily

[carmine bay]

@late lion big fan of your work

[solemn geyser]

Alright so we still on the Yes Man is House theory

[smoky wren]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[slow wadi]

You will never enjoy anything in your life ever again

[late lion]

I ain't your brother, first of all. Second of all, another insult. You really expose yourself as not caring with statements like this

[shy apex]

There you go again

[late lion]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2.... I enjoy that

[peak grove]

i dont understand what your point is honestly

[shy apex]

Three times in as many minutes, new record

[late lion]

why? because it's QUALITY

[solemn geyser]

then why are u not on a discord server talking to people about it

[fierce arch]

He's just complaining to complain atp

[peak grove]

"bethesda sucks, todd howard sucks, interplay and obsidian should be in charge of the franchise again?"

[shy apex]

Not beating the deliberate troll allegations here

[late lion]

or wait.... was that a threat? Did you just threaten me?

[solemn geyser]

bros wasting time just talking here

[peak grove]

obsidian, who are pumping out real masterpieces like the outer worlds series.

[paper radish]

it just works? IJW? If you jumble it you get JIW. If you add and remove a few small lines you get FEV. Super mutants confirmed??

[ancient musk]

while ya'll be arguing about which fallout is best i'ma say i like NV best however, also think starfield is criminally underrated. i guess i'm true chaotic neutral.

[fierce arch]

Avowed, the masterpiece of the century.

[shy apex]

Not beating the illiterate allegations either

[topaz fjord]

So lighter note why did house have victor with him to greet cooper

[late lion]

Todd himself said the showrunners came to him and were like "what if we blow up shady sands"

[smoky wren]

Marcus will appear in episode 6 trust

[fierce arch]

Based, respect for that take honestly.

[solemn geyser]

my issue with Obsidian is similar to bethesda. their writers arnt the greatest

[shy apex]

Starfeileds guns make fallout 4s look good

[late lion]

because... Fallout is in a bad way right now.

[pulsar lake]

[brave prairie]

[fierce arch]

Oop.

[late lion]

how so?

[shy apex]

Pizza man can you gift me a pineapple bbq base

[smoky wren]

Actually, that could happen, Maximus runs away from the brotherhood and somehow ends up in Jacob's town

[peak grove]

if i had a robot assistant with a funny little cowboy accent id have him around all the time

[slow wadi]

Can't blow up my s-s-shady sands 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[late lion]

hey mods, glad you're here. I believe @slow wadi might've threatened me

[solemn geyser]

like fallout has more appeal than outer worlds to me and i just dont know why but the issue with OW is just due to being way too close to the capitalism critique ive already seen ig?

like Outer Worlds is very cool but idk whats stopping me from not comparing to Fallout

[shy apex]

Unfortunately for you I’m pretty sure the mods can read , and understand that they didn’t threaten you

[peak grove]

it just doesnt look very fun

[smoky wren]

I really enjoyed outerworlds 1 but I don't like the second one, don't know why

[late lion]

how else do you take that?

[solemn geyser]

maybe make an Outerworlds show and ill enjoy it idk lol

[late lion]

and notice he hasn't denied it either

[fierce arch]

It lacks the depth of the first one. Imho. Like you can't double back or get quests to expand on old zones and stuff like the first one did.

[fading plover]

sirwingy im wondering your thoughts on freeside in ep5

[pulsar lake]

@late lion going to kindly ask you to tone down the hateful comments and let people enjoy discussing the show, you dont need to bring in the whole bethesda is bad bit because x and y reason and you not liking it, its getting a tad bit tiresome. Multiple people have sent complaints regarding your behaviour and its reaching the point where it's becoming a genuine problem where we have to take action.

[peak grove]

someone should remake casino in fallout

[solemn geyser]

damn that image made me laugh

[hazy axle]

WHY DID YOU DELETE A MOVIE QUOTE

[shy apex]

Memes are banned, no memes

[hazy axle]

IT'S NOT A MEME

[fierce arch]

No memes sir.

[late lion]

So essentially.... opinions are not allowed in this chat? Yes? Just to confirm?

[peak grove]

i'd watch the shit out of some post apocalyptic new reno mob stuff

[fading plover]

Todd Howard... helped Fnv be a thing

[late lion]

what about the guy that threatened me? No punishment for him?

[smoky wren]

So obsidian could have made another Fo3 expansion?

[solemn geyser]

i hope season 3 is more fallout 2 oriented

[shy apex]

No one threatened you

[fading plover]

..but todd howard hates new vegas

[peak grove]

would be baller

[late lion]

Architecture was all wrong, that's about it

[hazy axle]

Basically, without Todd there would have been New Vegas

[slow wadi]

I'm still trying to figure out where I threatened this person 🤔

[peak grove]

would also get people to play fallout 2

[pulsar lake]

we're not rehashing this again, i already told you last time that people are more than welcome to voice their opinions, but you attack others for not sharing it - consider this the final response + nudge regarding that, next time you repeat it, you'll receive an extended timeout since it's already been discussed multiple times before.

[brave prairie]

Also, this channel is for episode 5, if we arent talking about that and discussing your favourite fallout then go #fallout_general , if we are talking about the outerworlds, go to #off_topic , if you're just talking about season 2 in general go to #1225375124237062195

[fading plover]

film set

[hazy axle]

Ans I'm someone not a fan of Todd lying but give credit where due

[peak grove]

back onto episode 5 discussion

[shy apex]

You can threaten me if you want

[plucky knot]

Just saw this leak

[late lion]

You can't have it both ways, you can't say opinions are allowed but I'm not allowed to share them

[peak grove]

justin theroux as house is a goddamn master class, what a force of nature

[ancient musk]

fallout 5 will just be new reno but in san fran i hope. i want the town to be blanketed in cyberpunk smog and just play detective

[fading plover]

new quest for shelter?

[smoky wren]

I hope it's classic Fallout in general
Enclave
Super mutant threat
I wanna see some T-51
Ect

[slow wadi]

[Everyone Liked That]

[shy apex]

You share your opinions enough . Insulting others isn’t sharing opinions

[hazy axle]

Please tell me you're not turned on by that

[fading plover]

where did you see the leak from

[late lion]

Reread your comment to me and tell me how it wasn't

[shy apex]

I’m not but I’m also not soft enough to be insulted by being threatened I’ll never enjoy media again because I can’t stop being critical and insulting others because they don’t share my view

[slow wadi]

I think in ep 6 Todd is the major player they're hinting at

[peak grove]

think this episode is absolutely setting up the enclave as the s3 threat, right after they deal with hank

[paper radish]

Him and Goggins are pulling some serious weight this season, ESPECIALLY in Ep. 5.

[smoky wren]

Is that NCR T-45

[fading plover]

it looks like x01

[shy apex]

No it’s x-01 or apa

[fierce arch]

They are I think Justin Theroux ruined House for me in the sense idk if anyone else BUT HIM can play Robert now. 🤣😂

[pulsar lake]

!mute @late lion 6h Ignoring multiple warnings regarding behaviour in tv series channels.

[orchid plover]

zeekx muted sirwingy for 6 hours. Reason: Ignoring multiple warnings regarding behaviour in tv series channels.

[shy apex]

Apa at this point jsut will be x-01:

[peak grove]

i think ella purnell will get her flowers as we get closer to the finale, i imagine she'll be the one to take out her dad and her and kyle will destroy the scene

[pulsar lake]

so, anyways, fallout

[solemn geyser]

Well since Cooper and Max have worn power armor. makes me wonder when Lucy will

[brave prairie]

So anyways episode 5

[solemn geyser]

Fisto the robot

[fading plover]

wha why

[solemn geyser]

tbh fisto could fight the deathclaws

[shy apex]

Nah if Rene was still alive I’d love for him to play house

[peak grove]

"don't create the torment nexus" ahh moment

[paper radish]

for what it's worth, those FOShelter missions take like 1 idea and then just fill out what they want. The alien one had you invade and and fight aliens when in the show it was like...1 frozen alien.

[hazy axle]

Hahaha

[slow wadi]

I think she'll get her moment, but I don't see her wearing power armor just cause she doesn't have the stats for it

[paper radish]

so true. Good problem to have though!

[shy apex]

Not everyone has to wear power armour, it’s rare

[carmine bay]

NCR-Enclave alliance
Two most evil factions in the setting need to ally at some point.

[hazy axle]

The player House was talking about is... Fisto

[paper radish]

I think there's a good chance of that, yeah

[smoky wren]

Hank being enclave would be sick

[cinder sleet]

Hey btw I know we should not get distracted but
He called us assholes

[shy apex]

House is clearly talking about Goris

[plucky knot]

Looks like MCR teamed up with enclave maybe

[hazy axle]

Fisto = head of Enclave confirmed

[peak grove]

yeah she doesnt have the power armor training perk man, keep up

[shy apex]

Goris started up a prime rib business in Vegas and now runs it

[fierce arch]

We are all sold on the Other player/Unknown entity being the Enclave, yes?

[slow wadi]

Todd said this as well

[hazy axle]

MCR lol

[shy apex]

No it’s Goris

[topaz fjord]

I think this may happen indirectly

[hazy axle]

My Chemical Romance dropped the bombs

[pulsar lake]

was he wrong

[peak grove]

and barb was most likely an early member of the enclave/its pre-war progenitor

[topaz fjord]

Unless its the peoples republic of china

[paper radish]

Thereoux's 'fake fallout talkshow' was the funniest of all of them. They should have released it this week, not so early

[fierce arch]

What a wild twist that would be.

[topaz fjord]

Agreed

[cinder sleet]

I mean
From the biological/psychogical standpoint?
Might be the first thing I agree with him
We humans, are assholes lol

[paper radish]

yes

[fierce arch]

Possibly, I am wondering if she was coerced, manipulated or somewhat held hostage in the sense that they threatened her Family's safety for her compliance.

[shy apex]

Actually will be pretty pissed if neither Goris or Marcus shows up

[fierce arch]

SUPERMUTANT CHARLIE

[plucky knot]

Watch the be a plot twist lmao

[peak grove]

honestly, it speaks to how much she must love coop to want to keep him in the enclave's loop while still being the absolutely disgusting, evil person she is to let these things happen

[plucky knot]

What abt meansonofabitch or Neil

[peak grove]

but her being coerced in some way is also a good point, and would make it all the more emotional

[slow wadi]

I want Marcus to show up so bad but I also understand if he doesn't

[topaz fjord]

I think based on houses calcuation its janey that matters not coop

[fierce arch]

Yeah I have to imagine cause it's how the Enclave would operate Pre-war, they probably know everything about Coop, Barb, and Janey and held that over her head.

[ancient musk]

i hope not since that would undermine ghoul's character motivations a lot

[smoky wren]

We already know the enclave is up and operational in the west coast and the east coast with CC

[peak grove]

not necessarily, i think itd be very interesting for coop to presumably hold this hate in his heart for barb for so long bc of what happened only to find out that it wasnt entirely on her

[ancient musk]

its a lot better writing if you just make him a tragic character whose family drama he had no control over broke him

[peak grove]

might even make him do some introspection himself

[fierce arch]

Even without CC stuff, the Enclave is starting to have new bases being injected into the lore all over

[topaz fjord]

Maybe the bombs were caused by a very messy divorce

[topaz fjord]

New vegas had chicago

[paper radish]

I think that the notable conflict regarding barb from Cooper's perspective was likely mostly worked out prewar

[spark cloud]

The enclave threatening her family is implicit in the enclave. They just do that to everyone, even their own members.

[carmine bay]

I think this is likely yeah, and what House meant by the date of the world ending when their daughter was born.

[peak grove]

coop didnt pay his alimony, barb called it in

[smoky wren]

I do also think the enclave has a stronghold in the Chicago

[spark cloud]

The enclave... Are the bad guys...

[paper radish]

'worked out' meaning that The Ghoul isn't going to have any notable revelations about Barb's involvement in the current timeline imo

[peak grove]

nooo, theyre based as hell and im a normal fan with very normal opinions slash s

[solemn geyser]

the idea the world is in the hands of a Toxic marriage is funny

[peak grove]

and one innocent little girl

[slow wadi]

So is the Enclave going to be prewar? I always thought they were remnants of the govt

[smoky wren]

No, they're heroes

[solemn geyser]

Mommy and Daddy are fight so now u die

[paper radish]

god fallout has never missed with their dope ass jackets

[smoky wren]

They've always been pre war, they're the deep state

[carmine bay]

No they’re villainous like the NCR.

[slow wadi]

We need that southern bell accent again

[ancient musk]

how funny would it be if the producers are genuinely just winging it, and changing the story based on fan reaction

[smoky wren]

Truth Nuke

[solemn geyser]

being an enclave is basically the "I cant be racist because I hate everyone equally"

[peak grove]

charlie whiteknife watching from wherever he was when the bombs dropped, and cursing coop for bungling his marriage with barb

[topaz fjord]

Are you deep state if you make up the cabinet?

[solemn geyser]

god bless the enclave

[fierce arch]

Fallout has the best post-apocalyptic outfits. The ONLY other outfits I've ever vibed with so much has been Metro's.

[smoky wren]

I personally hope we see col autumn again, I personally spared him

[topaz fjord]

Brotherhood probably did not when he walked out the door

[solemn geyser]

i kinda wish fallout 4 used more outfits from 3. But those are creation stuff so least its there

[spark cloud]

Noooo my heckin duderinos are evillll

[paper radish]

I'm about to leave los angeles and move back to Alaska when good Brotherhood coats are released irl just so I can wear them smh

[smoky wren]

Basically this

[slow wadi]

Honestly just give us another show about the Enclave and we're good

[peak grove]

woof.

[solemn geyser]

new vegas just giving us the perspective enclave soldiers are just dudes is kinda nice

Like yea they wanna kill everyone but like who hasnt in this series

[peak grove]

i mean, as nice as those old folks are they absolutely believed in getting rid of the entire wasteland

[solemn geyser]

I mean the master wanted to put everyone in a vat and Marcus is chill

[smoky wren]

I would love some lore about what happened between fo2 and 3 with the remnants

[peak grove]

its nice that they all eventually shaped up, but its hard for me to forget that

[slow wadi]

This one will send the "real" fans through the roof

[smoky wren]

It was honestly very few people in the enclave who were actually evil

[chilly oasis]

To the town of agua fria rode a stranger one fine day

[solemn geyser]

well even in Fallout 2 u just had the one guy who wanted to Dox you actually just start with a chill conversation

[smoky wren]

I personally think the "ghosts in Baja" the rangers were chasing were enclave remnants

[chilly oasis]

I think this is the only semi-reasonable explanation

[smoky wren]

And the guy who you go up to at Navarro and stops you from going in, he's actually chill and explains why you can't go in (for low intelligence at least)

[ancient musk]

or maybe they were the parasite unit from MGSV

[solemn geyser]

like if the Fallout show just portrays enclave soldiers as these normal dudes just lead by evil leaders. im fine with the enclave being more chill than just an expected militant faction

[slow wadi]

I actually want to see more of Norm. He's got the most interesting story going on right now and bro just has max charisma. But I think he's also learning to be more manipulative. Like I think he's gonna become more twisted and harsh which will contrast with his sister later

[smoky wren]

https://youtu.be/Hf0M1E0yxAU?si=Tdy0t8Bi1SG0y4G2

[chilly oasis]

"NOBODY GETS- DAMN. NEED PASS. GET INSIDE. YOU HAVE NO PASS, YOU GET HURT. UNDERSTAND???" Best character in FO2

[slow wadi]

I always thought they were like the bos. Lots of elitism and biase towards your own. So they might seem normal to themselves but to others they're legit evil and assholes

[paper radish]

I think whenever they meet again it will end up being super interesting. It's going to be so far down the road and they''ll both be so changed I'm very excited for that

[smoky wren]

Dude could have just shot you, but he explained it and why you can't go in

[chilly oasis]

The Enclave garrison in general seems pretty chill. I thought they'd just shoot wastelanders on sight cause "muties", but they don't.

[fierce arch]

"I have a brother just like you." Is crazy work LMAO

[solemn geyser]

i mean yea the Enclave wanna kill everyone but theres an oddly lack of just commiting public massacres in the series. They mostly want to end the world just through virus bombing or poison the water supply. They are just typical evil bastards. I mean we see Harkness wanna shoot some ghoul kids. I feel like the Enclave dont have time to care about shooting children if it isnt the means of their mission yet

im not saying Enclave are good guys at all im just saying theres a lack of evil deeds we seen them do besides cutscenes and Frank. and evil plans

[smoky wren]

Honestly, if the enclave just dropped the whole FEV stuffed and genocide, they could probably just take over by force

[chilly oasis]

Implications of incest on the Oil Rig

[worthy pecan]

:(

[solemn geyser]

like ive always wondered if enclave soldiers justified their actions because they believe they are killing the population more humanely than say the Brotherhood willingly open fire upon mutants

[worthy pecan]

no its because they consider them sub-human

[solemn geyser]

theres nothing humane about virus bombing ofc

[chilly oasis]

By the time of FO2, the only major threat to the Enclave could be the Brotherhood, and maybe the NCR

[solemn geyser]

yea but like u dont see the old guys in New Vegas go around being racist dudes yk

Even in Fallout 2 they just tell u to fuck off but they dont call u hateful names or whatever yk

[smoky wren]

Being an enclave reformists is rough out here

[chilly oasis]

I think it's just a matter of levels, some are clearly more eager to show it, while some are just sheltered for reasons

[worthy pecan]

im gonna do something called denial and hope that coop isnt dead

[chilly oasis]

Why the fuck would Coop be dead?

[worthy pecan]

yeah you dont call a dog hateful names do you

[paper radish]

don't worry, he isn't

[worthy pecan]

a rusty spike through the vital organs isnt compatible with life

[smoky wren]

100% he ain't dead

[solemn geyser]

like i feel Enclave soldiers dont actually see people as sub human but rather just like an animal that needs to be put down. Those who are more zealous for the cause would be but the normal soldier just kinda seems like someone who just wants to survive and be apart of a group

[fading plover]

we know he isnt dead because trailers for s2

[chilly oasis]

He has a ridiculous amount of plot armor and we already see in the trailers he's coming back regardless.

[worthy pecan]

oh

[slow wadi]

They're kinda like 2 sides of the same coin. BOS and Enclave are both evil but in their own way and it's how you look at it. Like they're both factions fighting over resources and doing what they can in their power to do it. So I'd call them bith evil because me? I'm here to tell you theres a settlement that needs your help, let me mark it on your map for you.

[worthy pecan]

they have to reveal him being built different atp

[chilly oasis]

I wonder if they'll ever acknowledge NCR salvaged power armor alongside the Ranger power armor

[smoky wren]

A large majority of the Enclave was born and raised on the oil rig

[worthy pecan]

So did the enclave drop the nukes?

[fading plover]

wonder who this character is in the show

[primal mortar]

When is next episode

[smoky wren]

I think that question will never be answered

[worthy pecan]

I definetly think its possible considering how corrupt the pre-war US was and the nukes could be a way for them to completely reset the US

[smoky wren]

New faction maybe

[worthy pecan]

He's the HUAC agent, duh

[fierce arch]

They do be changing that lore

[slow wadi]

Bro my thing is where the heck was that other ranger in ep 4. I legit thought we were gonna see him in this episode for some reason 😭

[chilly oasis]

No, I'm pretty sure China did. Maybe at best the Enclave sabatoged negotiations between the US and China, but US forces were already deep into the Chinese mainland, so yeah, they were bound to launch it anyways

[chilly oasis]

What, the guy who pistolwhipped the Ghoul?

[worthy pecan]

I definetly think they were involved with the nukes at the very least

[fading plover]

HUAC is a real group that investigated alleged disloyal American citizens who was suspected of having communist ties?

[slow wadi]

Nah there's one behind him I that episode

[chilly oasis]

That's Biff.

[worthy pecan]

Tannen?

[fading plover]

i feel like we will see HUAC soon

[slow wadi]

WE GOTTA GO BACK

[smoky wren]

Honestly, I think the enclave may go the brotherhood route any human wastelander is good enough

[fading plover]

the NCR camp has

Rodriquez
Biff
Ranger who doesnt take off helmet

[worthy pecan]

I know its a nitpick but the securitrons dont look blue enough to me

[chilly oasis]

Also, they retconned Vault 21, I haven't seen anyone talk about that

[fading plover]

yeah tha'ts fair

[smoky wren]

We love mysterious ranger

[worthy pecan]

Is the exact lore that Sarah negotiated vault 21 to become a hotel or that she negotiated vault 21 to become a hotel AGAIN?

[chilly oasis]

He has the most aura I've seen from a character in the show

[chilly oasis]

The first one

[worthy pecan]

well i guess its now the latter

Not that big of a change though

[slow wadi]

Vault 21 being prewar kinda makes sense. But I get why people might be upset

[silver narwhal]

the securitrons look so goofy im sorry

[fierce arch]

No I more so meant. The facility that was built pre-war, has technically been around longer than the Oil-rig. By that fact, a lot of Enclave soldiers could come from there. Being around for 200+ years is nuts and I imagine they've been producing soldiers from there too.

[worthy pecan]

The constantly saying "The House always wins" and talking about an unknown variable makes me think of The Enclave since it can be considered "the house" (pre-war government and other people)

[chilly oasis]

They looked goofy in the games already.

[fading plover]

Also the show doesn't have H&H Tools on the Securitrons

[spark cloud]

Vault 21 being pre war makes sense tbh, it's basically a showcase Vault for tourists

[worthy pecan]

they look awesome

[silver narwhal]

the way they move just is so funny

[fierce arch]

It's the Enclave 100%

[smoky wren]

Fair enough

[chilly oasis]

Probably because they used a puppet instead of CGI

[slow wadi]

And it being a real vault also makes sense too. Why wouldn't vault tec have a bunch of vault themed places around? They're a mega capitalist company

[worthy pecan]

People lived in it though, Doc Mitchell is from vault 21

[silver narwhal]

should’ve mixed the two

[spark cloud]

Both can be true.

[worthy pecan]

Yeah

Showcase vaults werent used though, were they?

[spark cloud]

It was open to the public pre war, then sealed with the intended population when the war began. Tourists got removed by force, etc.

[slow wadi]

I'm surprised we have seen any major Vault themed parks in lore. Give me Vault World Todd

[worthy pecan]

theres that one area in nuka world

[silver narwhal]

the fight scene between Maximus Big Nose and the securitron was so dumb

[spark cloud]

No but Vegas is a weird place anyway. If anything it would be Vegas.

[slow wadi]

When Coke and Disney collide

[silver narwhal]

the deathclaws look dope

they obviously create good cgi

[worthy pecan]

what?

did i miss something

[fierce arch]

Big nose???

[silver narwhal]

Might’ve worded it poorly but the fight in the bottle cap plant

[worthy pecan]

Oh, right

[silver narwhal]

Yeah the guy has a big nose

[worthy pecan]

Aren't securitron mk2s supposed to have onboard repair systems?

[slow wadi]

The fight was dumb I'll agree, I think the suits just aren't design for action 😂

[fierce arch]

Yeah, they go immobile and repair

[worthy pecan]

I guess that doesnt work if its damaged like that one was

[fierce arch]

They're not , we see it in the BTS

[fierce arch]

Was damaged, hacked, and corrupted which was wild lol

[worthy pecan]

Was it hacked? I thought it was just like victor where it was meant to have a personality

[slow wadi]

I honestly think they should've done CGI but it being practical is still cool

The suits are cool they can just look cheap sometimes

Mostly when they're walking and it's flopping around

[worthy pecan]

they start using the hacksmith industries one

[worthy pecan]

very unblue

[nova minnow]

what were military police doing on the strip

[chilly oasis]

To be fair, the CGI in the show can be really inconsistent. Sometimes it's really good othertimes it looks painfully fake.

[nova minnow]

also pretty cool that the military police we saw in the episode are wearing the same uniform as the enclave guards in s1

[fading plover]

protesters i guess

[fierce arch]

HMMM.

[storm tulip]

I just realized, both Coop and Max started a war.. except for Lucy rn

[silver narwhal]

the protestor signs were funny

[nova minnow]

its usually relegated to normal police, MPs dont have authority over civilians

[silver narwhal]

“Keep money out of politics” lol

[slow wadi]

Yeah the first season had some good moments with CGI. But I think the shows budget needs to be bigger. Let's hope S3 gets that 100mil 🙏🏻

[nova minnow]

but considering the military junta in the fallout world im sure the MP's have rights to abuse power now lol

[storm tulip]

As if that hasnt been happening since the DAOWN of tahm

[storm tulip]

When the fuck we gettin to see the Super Mutant, We all know theres a Super Mutant in here this season

and the only logical one to show up is Marcus

[slow wadi]

U da real super mutant

[silver narwhal]

I do not have high expectations for the super mutants. I hope they blow me out of the water though.

[spark cloud]

God I wish I could be a super mutant

[storm tulip]

The FEV was inside of our hearts all along

[spark cloud]

I would dive into that vat head first

[carmine bay]

Watch them be F04 super mutants

[fierce arch]

God, I swear.

[silver narwhal]

lol

[fading plover]

what a shot i never thought i wopuld ever see on TV

[fierce arch]

If it's not West Mutant designs I will be annoyed. Lol

[fading plover]

it will be actually oh god

[nova minnow]

man those uniforms look clean

[storm tulip]

Please be classic super mutants PLEASE let it be Marcus PLEASE

[nova minnow]

Pre war america really did adopt that pure fascist enclave drip before the bombs even dropped huh

[fading plover]

my proof:
this was in season 1

[spark cloud]

I just want them to have their big dumb lip ring things even if the rest of them is styled like 4

[fierce arch]

GOD WHY

[carmine bay]

Wanted by the government for being a shit design

[storm tulip]

Also am i the only one gettin the vibe that Mr House has a body double was cus the casting director chose a different actor for Mr House inbetween seasons

[spark cloud]

Appalachian mutants moved west

[chilly oasis]

Show budgets in general are small due to focusing on things like quality of smaller-scale, but more longer and impactful storytelling, and also sets are very big instead of being CGI sometimes. And because the Fallout show has a lot of big name actors, they have to manage money, so props are generally better at blending with sets.

[silver narwhal]

the show has made it very clear they want to use whatever is most known to the fanbase

[fierce arch]

https://tenor.com/view/they-can't-keep-getting-away-with-this-jesse-breaking-bad-jesse-pinkman-breaking-bad-gif-6986648139055286153

[silver narwhal]

they don’t really care

[nova minnow]

NOOOO NOT THE SHITTY DESIGN NOOOOO

[solemn geyser]

i just hope super mutants are more buff like the deathclaw

[silver narwhal]

Barb scene with fisto

[spark cloud]

Omg pre war fisto

[paper radish]

I don't think that's the case at all. If it was an actual full recast, you don't keep the old actor around like that. I think this was planned fairly early on, or they at least wanted the chance to be able to use the double

[lone sail]

isnt that Eden's VA in the back

[shy apex]

thyeve got multiple design eras in the show

[storm tulip]

Either way ngl ive been enjoyin the season alot so far. Personally i like that there should be a canon ending to NV and 4 PERSONALLY

[quick lichen]

To be fair it's 'just' a drawing

[fierce arch]

Mf is that a broom strapped to it's hand lol

[nova minnow]

he's fistoing it

[fading plover]

the first image is using Fo4 design

[chilly oasis]

I mean, they could use a different design this season

[spark cloud]

He's gonna FISTO the trash

[fading plover]

Yes, he is cleaning!

[solemn geyser]

they could be buffing them up

[shy apex]

nah, theyre canonising select designs

its way easier to do it with weapons and robots because they can eaisly be variants or mks

[fading plover]

maybe there are multiple version of protectrons

[chilly oasis]

Now, the question of why the hell a Institute Super Mutant is on the West Coast brings some interesting implications

[storm tulip]

Also personally i like Fo4 deathclaws more.. cus.. more ya know.. Hee honk

[spark cloud]

There are different revisions of protections, Mr handy, etc

[shy apex]

https://tenor.com/view/war-1000-yard-stare-gif-10147302364842942579

[storm tulip]

I think having diff designs for Mr Handy and other bots makes alot of sense

[solemn geyser]

no czadors yet missed oppurtunity

[silver narwhal]

We need to see a Mr. Gutsy

[storm tulip]

esp having them be varied

[chilly oasis]

I prefer the classic designs but I think it has more to do with the way they're depicted in game. They don't fuck around with that fancy weave like in FO4. No, they just run straight at you.

[spark cloud]

I'd love to see a Mr Gusty

[storm tulip]

I like the weave, the runnin straight at u feels very old timey videogamey to me

[shy apex]

thyats because they physicaly couldnt have them do that

like, it was 1995

[storm tulip]

ID LOVE TO SEE AN ASSAULTRON

yeah babyy thats what ive been waitin for thats what its all about

[shy apex]

whoooooo sexy robot

[fading plover]

heh

[spark cloud]

Wdym we already got the sexy robot

[storm tulip]

I mean we already got a sexy bot this episode so

[shy apex]

you know damn well i meant kleo

[storm tulip]

The main man himself FISTO

[fierce arch]

Robot? Kleo is all woman.

[silver narwhal]

Lucy and fisto scene

[chilly oasis]

Makes it seem more animalistic rather than demonic, which imo removes the idea that Deathclaws are man-made weapons made for one purpose: kill, destroy, annihilate.

[fading plover]

so his true love was always in the talkshow

[storm tulip]

also id also kill Sonny if he tried scamming me with a 10 FUCKEND THOUSAND cap power fist

[fading plover]

also what is that backdrop

[silver narwhal]

I think the fat guy did that

[storm tulip]

absolute bs prices, i was like Hooooleeee shet those prices

[spark cloud]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/f/fc/FO76_Adelaide_full.png/revision/latest?cb=20240425075453

[storm tulip]

Yeah id also kill him if he tried that shit

[spark cloud]

There's also Adelaide the humpable camp companion

She got me actin up frfr

[fading plover]

wait he mentions him lmao

[solemn geyser]

lot of Clanker lovers huh

[chilly oasis]

Is that pre-war LA? Did they make the Guardian of Forever canon, wtf? ||/j||