EPISODE 5

[outer lake]

you can make a crude water filter with sand, dirt, pebbles, and gravel, it really does not take a rocket scientist to do it

[spark cloud]

You can, actually. You distill the water and it leaves all the particles behind

[midnight kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-gif-10010192375921110151

[orchid crow]

it has been made abundantly clear that there are other ways to purify water in the wastes without hoover dam

[outer lake]

plus there are old houses everywhere that probably have filters in them that can be salvaged from

[silver narwhal]

Hey guys! The water in lake mead is purified through the Sustek System! In the Hoover dam!

[orchid crow]

Was

[inner marten]

Imagine how boring the show would be if Lucy was I integrating people about how they make their water palatable at every single town

[fierce arch]

Brother, "The lake's water is pure and not irradiated, so drinking it will reset the H2O meter to 0 when hardcore mode is activated."

It's not irradiated, yes it's dirty, but it can be cleaned. There's plenty of processes to do it without the Dam.

[inner marten]

Fam in game there are literally pipelines running directly from lake mead near camp golf to Vegas completely bypassing the dam

[midnight kiln]

gang idk wtf exactly is going on here, but you're clearly on the losing side of this argument - considering practically the entire server concurs that you are wrong.

[silver narwhal]

bro it’s purified because of the dam

[fierce arch]

The game literally tells you the water is pure, what are you on about.

[silver narwhal]

because everyone in here is a fanboy of the show and can’t accept already established lore for what it is

[oblique tulip]

Leak mead is before the dam

[spark cloud]

Water is actually really good at stopping the spread of radiation. You can swim in a nuclear reactor cooling tank without receiving any radiation.

[orchid crow]

they purify the water and then put it back in lake once it's purified?

[inner marten]

Why do they pump it straight out of the lake at multiple spits that never go through the dam the ?

[novel wraith]

Man. The show made me realize addictol/fixer must feel absolutely awful to take. Legit makes you throw up inside out and that was just one drug addiction.
Imagine the ones that have multiple ones

[fierce arch]

It's an IMMEDIATE system purge, im surprise people don't pass out from it.

[midnight kiln]

projection

[oblique tulip]

You're a idiot who doesn't understand how boiling water works

[sly iron]

As someone who just throw up 2 episode ago and there is throw up in my carpet
Yeah its fucking disgusting

[inner marten]

Fixer probably isn’t that bad since it’s just temporary

[shy apex]

You can literally distill water using things in nature

[novel wraith]

I think normal people definitely do. We're just the protagonist so we don't

[outer lake]

Lucy is fueled by pure sunshine and optimism

[spark cloud]

The Courier: "Where do you get your water?"
Lupe: "The NCR fixed up the pipe network pretty good, and water merchants like me are allowed to have some of it to sell. If we have a water license, of course. Still, it beats the inconvenience of having to trek all the way to the lake to resupply."

[orchid crow]

legion tag tracks

[outer lake]

that being said alot of that puke was liquid, she better drink some water soon

[novel wraith]

Nah even fixer makes the screen all woozy and hazy for a solid 30 seconds. That's like half an hour in game time

[fierce arch]

Ahh, you're literally in denial. Lol
Your argument is calling people fanboys when you're wrong cause you literally don't have any coherent arguments on how the system works. Please wear your legion tag with pride it suits you.

[midnight kiln]

aka: projection

[silver narwhal]

mhm

[spark cloud]

Literally in game it says that water merchants would trek down to the lake and gather up barrels of water to sell around the strip.

[sly iron]

I like that there is more victor

Also i was caught off gaurd by secrutrons being pre-war

[inner marten]

The NCR also gets its water from lake Las Vegas not mead

[spark cloud]

Yeah I figured they were pre war but it was nice to see them in action. Kinda.

[midnight kiln]

lemme switch sides for u bro i feel bad

EY. HOOVER DAM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN COLD FUSION AND uhhhhhhh HOOVER DAM :D 👍

[shy apex]

Um, they’ve always been pre war

[fierce arch]

They looked real good. I was a bit interested by the MP outfit designs.

[ocean topaz]

They were always pre-war, I think

[oblique tulip]

Mr house crashing out at cooper

[inner marten]

They were

[orchid crow]

The majority of people who i see whining about show fanboys are people who decided they disliked the season before it even began and are just using anything they can to try and confirm their bias. Homie isn't even critiquing the show at this point, just saying we don't see a thing on screen therefore the show doesn't care about said thing.

[shy apex]

I don’t wanna be rude here, but how the fuck did Yall think the platinum chip would work if he didn’t have any securitrons pre war

[novel wraith]

"Now be a good cowboy and deliver... wait. Wrong crash out"

[fierce arch]

People complaining over House crashing out, have never seen how he reacts when you eat the damn Chip.

[spark cloud]

House wearing his stupid little hat

[silver narwhal]

lol I never said that… my point is that Hoover dam is still relevant to the existence of Vegas without cold fusion lolilolol

[inner marten]

I mean they are literally in owb and have lore about their pre war feud with hose about them

[carmine bay]

He manufactured the securitrons while he was in a coma obviously

[ocean topaz]

I'm just not entirely sure if Securitrons were used pre war the way they are post-war. Who knows if the LVMPD used them?

[outer lake]

i already saw people complaining about deathclaws being pre-war there is like almost no chance any of them have played the games

[oblique tulip]

Deathclaws were allwas prewar

[fierce arch]

oh of course not. Lol That's usually the case, the people complaining don't play the games. lmao

[inner marten]

They weren’t rolled out fully but they were known about pre war

[fierce arch]

or if they do they see words, that they don't read or understand their meaning.

[novel wraith]

Well most of his securitrons were at the fort in game so pretty sure there wouldn't be that many active ones pre war to begin with.
The main reason he needed the chip was because it had software upgrades for his missiles system

[ocean topaz]

I figured he definitely kept some on-site, might have used them in his casinos? Obviously baseless speculation on my part lol

[spark cloud]

Why would I read when I already watched the loretubers tell me everything

[shy apex]

Who get their info from the wiki or their own head

[midnight kiln]

no yeah you are right - but

cold fusion = makes infinite electricity, aka infinite fusion cores for example - which are worth a lot.

any ol survivor can purify irradiated water.

the stakes are currently higher for cold fusion - BUT HOOVER DAMN IS STILL WORTH SOMETHING, just not right now

[outer lake]

getting your lore from youtube shorts 💀

[oblique tulip]

The bos crashing the fusion core market

[spark cloud]

I only watch copyright proof edit shorts with bass boosted audio

[inner marten]

The water in the Mojave isn’t radioactive

[carmine bay]

They should make radscorpions, Brahmins, and mantises pre-war bio weapons too just for consistency

[shy apex]

The water anywhere shouldn’t be radioactive

[silver narwhal]

It’s still worth something because Vegas doesn’t have cold fusion. My major problem is… why is Vegas a major plot point if we have cold fusion? What the fuck could they possibly be fighting over if the dam is irrelevant.

[uncut blaze]

I don't think Hoover Dams power really matters but it's still a big fortress near a purified water lake

[inner marten]

That was always game lore that the deathclaws were pre war

[midnight kiln]

video game logic 😭

[shy apex]

Radiation in fallout is magical , it doesn’t react anywhere near like it does in reality

[ocean topaz]

Me personally, I'm just curious about how or if they were used pre-war. I think anyone can tell they are, theyre a canon robco product

[novel wraith]

You can even drink from the broken toilets and they somehow have purified water too

[spark cloud]

Yeah water actually doesn't carry radiation very well. It either sinks to the bottom and contaminates the mud, or it floats on top and collects along the banks. The water itself stops particles very quickly.

[silver narwhal]

The show is clearly building up a massive battle involving Vegas. Why are factions still fighting over Vegas if the dam is irrelevant?

[shy apex]

Radiation would be gone within a year

[carmine bay]

Don’t get defensive it’s just a joke
Regardless though I don’t recall this ever being said until Tactics I believe.

[orchid crow]

hoover dam isn't the only reason to go to vegas

[oblique tulip]

War war never changes

[novel wraith]

The fight was never about Vegas. It was always about the dam. Vegas was like a bonus

[silver narwhal]

It…. It really is though…..

[thin sinew]

I hope that wasn’t the last time we saw that power fist, hank needs one to the chest

[inner marten]

Yeah it’s important to the game but now with cold fusion if Sombody went “we need to get the dam” they would call them stupid and say we need cold fusion because it’s better in every single way

[outer lake]

i wonder if the first assaultron we'll see is the grand canyon Elders girlfriend

[shy apex]

Other than actual radioactive material , nothing would be radioactive, and certainly nothing would be mutated like they are they’d just get cancer

[oblique tulip]

Its not tho

[silver narwhal]

You’re ignoring my point!!!!!!!!! WHY ARE WE STILL FIGHTING OVER THE DAM IF COLD FUSION EXISTS!!!

[oblique tulip]

Pepole literally travel to go to the stirp

[orchid crow]

you know, except for all of the other reasons to go there

[silver narwhal]

Why are we still fighting over Vegas!!!!!!

[fierce arch]

You're still of the belief that the Dam was the sole reason for the fighting, the fight was never about that. The Dam was a bonus. You're literally the only person in here that thinks this because you haven't actively read the dialogue or played the game long enough to see this dialogue being explained to you.

[inner marten]

Who is we

[shy apex]

Cus if cold fusion doesn’t work they have the damn

[novel wraith]

Also yeah. Vegas has it's own pull. The hoover dam was only really important to the NCR brass for electricity

[oblique tulip]

Hookers fisto gambling

[spark cloud]

It's not at all. The lake is a good reason, but the lake is safe and hard for one faction to completely control.

[novel wraith]

The average citizem went to the Mojave for vegas. Not the dam

[silver narwhal]

the average major power went to the Mojave for the dam… not Vegas

[spark cloud]

Vegas is a treasure trove of old world tech.

And gambling. People just like to gamble. It's a leisure location for a very stressful world.

[inner marten]

Lake Las Vegas is Vegas primary water source not lake mead, this is a critical point in the NCR quest

[orchid crow]

just because there is a better source of power out there doesn't mean people wouldn't still fight over smaller or less optimal sources of power

[oblique tulip]

You said pepole only went to Nevada for hoover dam which is flase

[ocean topaz]

New Vegas is as popular for pretty much all the same reasons Las Vegas is

[carmine bay]

The Dam had greater strategic and tactical importance to the NCR than Vegas itself, but the entire region was valuable. There’s a reason both Caesar and the NCR wanted it so badly.

[spark cloud]

The dam has a strategic importance, but it is not the same as Vegas itself.

[silver narwhal]

No… I said the only reason people are in Nevada is the dam. Civilization in Vegas on a large scale is impossible without the dam.

[novel wraith]

Actually no.
Only ncr went to Mojave for the dam. Legion has no interest in it. It's just a strategic point for the war.
House also has his own reactor. He doesn't need the dam. He uses it to barter with the NCR because it's they who need it

[spark cloud]

It's more important to stop the other side from gaining control, rather than owning it yourself.

[inner marten]

Notice how the bar tender says the region has switched between legion and NCR control, it’s still being fought over

[spark cloud]

IRL the Colorado river is also huge, and the dam is the easiest passage across it.

[novel wraith]

It's only the NCR brass who's interested in the dam

[oblique tulip]

Pepole were in Nevada for 100+ years without a working dam

[ocean topaz]

the dam's strategic importance segues into vegas' economic importance, they're connected and always have been

[orchid crow]

Vegas is one of the largest cities in the game that was able to avoid being directly hit with nuclear weapons and somehow loreheads will still think it's insane for people to want to go there

[inner marten]

Vegas was run off of auxiliary power before the NCR got it operational

[spark cloud]

They're connected, but not dependent on one another

[silver narwhal]

I encourage you all to actually read what I say.

[oblique tulip]

We are

[ocean topaz]

this is how i meant it

[inner marten]

Says the man not reading

[silver narwhal]

You either are all misunderstanding my actual argument or just don’t care for it

[fierce arch]

No, it wasn't, the only two active parties that concerned themselves with the Dam was House and the NCR, the Remnants, Brotherhood, Khans, none of the tribes or anyone gave a fuck. And they existed in Nevada and the Mojave when the Dam wasn't operational, again, just fine.

The Legion only concerned themselves with the Dam to counter the NCR and hold it as a tactical point in the War.

[spark cloud]

The dam is a fully separate entity. You can control one without the other. Owning both is preferable, but not required.

[uncut blaze]

Who says this? I don't remember

[novel wraith]

House also has a reactor. He only uses the dam to barter with the ncr because he knows they need it.
He himself has no use for it

[silver narwhal]

house himself says the dam is used to power Vegas

[fierce arch]

He uses very minimal power from the Dam.

[oblique tulip]

Shows proof why your fact is wrong. Gets mad and says were not reading

[inner marten]

The fact that the strip was running with the families before the NCR was there

[novel wraith]

Temporarily. Then we help him turn his reactor on at the end

[thin sinew]

Didn’t he only need it because he didn’t have cold fusion?

[novel wraith]

After that he can run on his own

[carmine bay]

5% of the dam’s total power output is directed towards Vegas

[fierce arch]

very minimal power from the Dam, not all of it, the Dam was always 50% operational anyway.
House only wanted like 3% or 5%

[novel wraith]

Temporarily

[silver narwhal]

Why are fighting over Vegas if the dam is irrelevant?

[spark cloud]

Brother you're saying that Vegas only exists because of the dam, which is fundamentally and objectively incorrect. New Vegas existed long before the hydroelectric generator was rebuilt, and lake Mead is clean enough to drink from directly.

The energy from the dam is a bonus but is not the sole driving force of New Vegas.

[novel wraith]

At the end we help him turn his reactor on which can sustain him on it's own

[orchid crow]

"everyone in the room is an idiot but me" has historically been a great way to find the person in the room who is the least charitable and most incapable of having the conversation

[inner marten]

Because the NCR needed it for California, did you play the game?

[fierce arch]

Agreed.

[fierce arch]

He did not. I can promise you that.

[spark cloud]

VEGAS IS THE GOAL.

Vegas is a large city with a ton of resources and is both a tourist location and a perfect military foothold.

[ocean topaz]

5% is still a lot of power in the grand scheme of things, especially in a post-nuclear wasteland where the average survivor has no clue what a television or a microwave is

[midnight kiln]

New Vegas is a major plot point mainly for Cooper and Lucy - Cooper wants to find the management vault in Vegas to see if his family is there; Lucy wants to find her dad, who has left the evident trail of him going to New Vegas.

Max is obviously heading somewhere towards New Vegas as i guess it was the nearest location to go after the Brotherhood and visiting liaisons all went boom-boom?? idk 🤷‍♀️

the NCR and the Legion are just there because that's where they've been for a few years. obviously both sides are fucked (NCR stragglers left in Vegas are fucked because Shady Sands got nuked; NCR as a whole is fucked because of Shady Sands afaik. Legion is fucked because Caesar Salad died and now they're being petty shits over who will become his successor - they won't even let anyone read the note in his hand 😭) and are just grasping at straws to try and not completely die out ig, but they're not relevant to the story of Cooper, Lucy, or Max as of now.

the story of Cooper, Lucy, and Max (Thaddeus and Norm) are what the show is focusing on primarily - everything else is secondary. from what i can tell :/

[carmine bay]

Does the El Dorado substation power only the Lucky 38 or the entire Strip? Don’t recall

[fierce arch]

It's the strip, I believe. But I could be wrong.

[orchid crow]

"why are we fighting over a location with large scale infrastructure that was able to avoid being directly bombed during the great war?

Who can say

[oblique tulip]

The factions are fighting over fisto

[inner marten]

The NCR wanted the dam because of the power and water it can send to California

[novel wraith]

L38 has it's own reactor. El dorado is just used to change some of the power settings cos House needs that jolt of electricity from the dam to kickstart the reactor

[midnight kiln]

i fuck with your username 🤝

[carmine bay]

🤝

[inner marten]

Las Vegas gets its water from lake Las Vegas not lake mead

[ocean topaz]

I think he mentions that using the override chip gives him enough juice to get the Lucky 38's independent power system kick-started.

[spark cloud]

El Dorado is the substation between Helios and the Lucky 38. House needs you to take control to refire the reactor. Once it's online, it doesn't need any more input.

[ocean topaz]

He redirects the power to himself, but I don't think they ever explicitly say if it means "the entire strip" or "my casino"

[inner marten]

Not even the dams power lol

[spark cloud]

El Dorado is not the power plant. It's only an intermediate station. Helios is the main power station to the west.

[inner marten]

Yes

[novel wraith]

Nah he does need that initial jolt from the dam but that's it

[midnight kiln]

but New Vegas is mainly the chosen setting because the show runners knew that's something that would really make the show successful because pretty much everyone concurs New Vegas is one of, if not the best entry into the series.

[spark cloud]

Once the lucky 38 reactor is active it can power the rest of the strip

[inner marten]

From Helios

[novel wraith]

Nope. Dam. He says so himself

[topaz fjord]

The thing that throws me most about hanks plan is all clothes in storage

[novel wraith]

That's why we throw off the switch inside the dam in the final battle

[inner marten]

Man that makes zero geographical sense then

[ocean topaz]

He just wants to have that shit on.

[novel wraith]

Well. Not everything is geographically accurate tbf

[thin sinew]

This

[novel wraith]

I mean geographically Vegas should be like WAY bigger

[spark cloud]

I don't know how to tell you this but lake Las Vegas is part of lake Mead. It's a connected reservoir.

[ocean topaz]

i mean yeah, even artwork proves this i think

[novel wraith]

It should be atleast as big as say Boston in FO4 but it's like tiny

[ocean topaz]

always account for scaling. vegas is not one road wide, it's massive in lore

[spark cloud]

In the wide shot you can see all 4 casinos in the middle. They're kinda tiny compared to the rest of the ruins.

[inner marten]

It’s down stream from mead, if the dam was non functional as a reservoir( destroyed) it would still be fed naturally

[novel wraith]

Ok this artwork might be stretching a bit

It's not that big and dense

[inner marten]

What we see in the show is lore accurate scale now

[thin sinew]

If that artwork is official that was the goal by the devs but a ps3/360 can only do so much

[novel wraith]

Ye

Like even FO4 has concept art where Boston is like the size of the entire commonwealth lol

Those are just concepts. Doubt they accounted for scale there

[thin sinew]

And well in the show, I can’t even imagine how much building a set like that would cost

[ocean topaz]

All Roads has some interesting representations of Vegas, as well.

[carmine bay]

The density in this image hurts my brain

[midnight kiln]

"wearing a costume doesn't make it any better"

okay damn you didn't have to hit him with that but okay

[spark cloud]

God damn nobody has posted the wide shot from episode 4 or 5

[spark cloud]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/STPaovhDLrMadsCuxdZLLA-1024-80.jpg.webp

[carmine bay]

The NV comic really does sell why Vegas would be so popular with that one panel lmao

[ocean topaz]

I think the second one's actually meant to be Freeside, but the Benny shot from All Roads shows enough that all of the casinos aren't located on one single road.

[spark cloud]

This isn't the shot I wanted but you can see the casinos and everything around

[fierce arch]

It genuinely does.

[midnight kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-dragon-scroll-it's-peak-its-peak-its-so-peak-gif-15751564656143815341

[novel wraith]

This is Boston's pre war concept artwork. Even irl Boston ain't this big

[ocean topaz]

lol uuhhh

[midnight kiln]

ohhhh

[carmine bay]

This metropolis or something

[inner marten]

It do have 50 extra years to build

[novel wraith]

Yeah but even so that's wild. Where's the harbor even

[spark cloud]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/c/c8/FTV_S2E4_Still_175.png/revision/latest?cb=20260108130131

[ocean topaz]

probably behind the metaphorical camera

[inner marten]

Prolly behind the camera lol

[dawn dust]

Final image

[shy apex]

That would have been so much better than 4s architecture

[novel wraith]

Oh hell. That's supposed to just be ONE side of the harbor? Lmao

[ocean topaz]

i didn't like 4's googie architecture, wish they kept the art deco stylings

i like faces on everything. bite me

[inner marten]

4s art design is everyone’s least favorite

[shy apex]

It could very easily be improved, it just needs windows

[novel wraith]

That is 4's architecture. It just looks different with in game lighting

[spark cloud]

It's not an art style Boston just looks shitty irl

[shy apex]

He’ll there’s a shit tonne of buildings like that in the game it’s the skyscrapers that look shit

[carmine bay]

https://tenor.com/view/moyai-moyai-edit-chad-moyai-gif-9852898449776022491

[shy apex]

Why are there no windows, why are they all blue and red tubes

[novel wraith]

I love Boston's artstyle the most out of all the games so ain't gonna comment

[inner marten]

Fallout 4 took the retro-futurism too far

[shy apex]

I like the basic art style , I hate the skyscrapers

[novel wraith]

But eitherway point is the concept artworks don't account for scale either

[inner marten]

The whole point of the futurism was that it was a facade on top of the real ugly America

[carmine bay]

Guess anything can be appreciated lmao

[novel wraith]

The show's scale is pretty accurate I'd say

[orchid crow]

I've said it a million times, fallout 4's idea of what the 50s were is like, grease the musical lol

[novel wraith]

Well i also dislike NV's artstyle so maybe I'm the problem lol

[inner marten]

Nv art style is peak

Fits very well with 1

[novel wraith]

I always mod NV to look as much like FO4 as possible

[inner marten]

This person is insane

[ocean topaz]

i personally much preferred the og games' viewpoint of the pre-war being 'a little 50s there, a little 80s there. it doesn't matter because the old world is fucking gone' rather than the "guys it's the 50s guys the 50s please look"

[carmine bay]

Yes true

[novel wraith]

You know how i am

And now my modded vegas is becoming a reality. We got FO4 guns and armor in Vegas

[ocean topaz]

i hope you're using titans of the new west ofc

[inner marten]

Style wasn’t frozen in the 50s it’s just a modern trend they are using to portray wealth and prosperity they no longer have

They were doing a whole “make America great again” “look at these cool cars and home making women” while their economy was collapsing

It’s a skin deep facade

[novel wraith]

Ofcourse

Nevertheless i like the show's scale

It's probably the most lore accurate version of vegas we'll get

[inner marten]

Ak47s and ARs were still being used to kill, tool(the band) existed. They just tried to use nostalgia to try and control the masses while they were starving

[spark cloud]

The 50s aesthetic is a throwback to the New Plague which severely set back the culture of the old world

Not a throwback, I don't remember the right word rn

[inner marten]

Symptom

People quarantined and watched mad men too much

[spark cloud]

Yeah that works.

[inner marten]

Just like in irl

[spark cloud]

The outbreak of the New Plague caused a severe culture crunch as a whole generation was forced to quarantine (🤔) and all new media and culture ground to a halt for years. When the Pan Immunity Virion rolled out the government pushed hard for a roaring 20s style rebirth, then transitioned to the 50s and further on.

They had to distract people with "old is the new new" trends so they wouldn't realize how much of the world was lost during the virus years.

[inner marten]

Exactly

The 70s,80s,90s still happend in their own way

People didn’t stop making music

Style don’t stop changing

It’s a successful propaganda campaign to control the masses

[marsh olive]

The Pan-Immunity Viron never worked. It simply got renamed to FEV

[inner marten]

The new plague war is very limited

[spark cloud]

Yeah the New Plague was accidentally released from a military base by Chinese operatives (🤔🤔🤔) in 2053. The US government institutes a national lockdown around that time

[marsh olive]

there is no reason to think the virus years ever ended
but we know almost nothing about that period, so 🤷

[inner marten]

Most is based on non canon sources sadly, definitely happened but we know little

[inner marten]

The hospital Lucy goes to has an add for plague treatment so it likely never did

[whole totem]

Yeah, we do see that discount hospital advertising New Plague treatments, so the New Plague was still a concern before the bombs.

[spark cloud]

Funny not funny. ZAX mentions the New Plague killed 20,000 people which institute the national quarantine.

[inner marten]

Way less then Covid

[spark cloud]

COVID killed roughly 1,200,000 in the US alone.

[inner marten]

The new plague does seem significantly worse symptom wise tho

[carmine bay]

Another moment of FO1 not being good with numbers or no

[inner marten]

You just hemorrhage and die

Vs slow respiratory collapse

[marsh olive]

and the flu and pneumonia kill about twice that per year, yeah

[spark cloud]

They seem to have similar symptoms, but the new plague kills you much faster. Which is actually worse for transmission, but whatever.

If the new plague killed 20 million in the first year maybe.

[marsh olive]

it's probably best not to look too closely at the numbers and just accept it's a Scary Plague

[whole totem]

Those numbers are sadly artificially inflated.

[inner marten]

Also the 20k could have been the first wave that made them start quarantine be placed

[whole totem]

All deaths recorded during the Pandemic were recorded as COVID deaths even if the deaths weren't caused by COVID itself, so the hospitals could keep their funding.

[carmine bay]

Fugggg upcoming Covid debate in my episode 5 chat

[inner marten]

Let’s not bring real world conspiracy’s into this

[spark cloud]

But yes yes, it was Scary Times which caused a national quarantine, lifting the quarantine inspired a Oldie Goldie's style cultural revival

[whole totem]

Wish that fucking happened IRL.

[inner marten]

Bruh

Let’s not bring back the 50s

[spark cloud]

Well it did, we just got the wrong version of the 40s revival.

[whole totem]

No, let's. We actually had national pride and a sense of style back then.

[spark cloud]

Oh no

[whole totem]

Instead it's in vogue to be the complete opposite.

[inner marten]

This the kinda guy to wear a suit to school and say they were born in the wrong generation

[inner marten]

They won’t play any more Bethesda games because he says they support political assassinations. It’s not worth it

[whole totem]

We didn't get a 40s revival at all. All we got was more of the same bullshit that was happening since 2016.

[inner marten]

What? Minorities wanting fair treatment by the state?

[spark cloud]

Actually the pan immunity Virion might be what caused ghoulification, since that's what caused the quad helix mutation first. Then FEV turns people into super mutants.

[marsh olive]

No clearly, we need the really good 1950s style back. You can tell by how stylish Benny is

[whole totem]

That's actually possible.

[whole totem]

Cars also looked a lot cooler back then. And appliances in general.

[spark cloud]

PIV being released into the environment causes small random pockets of latent ghouls to form. Radiation finishes the process, or FEV turns them into super mutants.

[inner marten]

Cars killed people back then

[whole totem]

Everything now is so... same-y and bland.

[spark cloud]

The Vault Dwellers would probably also be exposed to PIV which is why they're also better subjects for mutant dipping

[whole totem]

And the music sucks.

[inner marten]

Lmao

[marsh olive]

except we see that people can become ghouls without PiV exposure at all (such as the Necropolis ghouls)

[spark cloud]

Lmao he said the thing

[inner marten]

Wait till he brings up hip hop

[spark cloud]

Where's my bingo card

[spark cloud]

Necropolis was a vault, they may have gotten PIV exposure as part of the experiment

[marsh olive]

Putting fins on your bingo card so it's stylish

[whole totem]

Nah, the experiment was "Let's make it so the door doesn't fucking close all the way."

[marsh olive]

except piv is just fev

[spark cloud]

Nah PIV came first. It turned into FEV, which is the final product.

[marsh olive]

this is just the atmospheric fev theory but less credible

[whole totem]

Also FEV is technically something you need to be dipped in for it to actually take effect.

[spark cloud]

Judging by how much fucking FEV is all over the place, both can probably occur at once

You don't need to be dipped, that was just the easiest way to ensure full coverage.

[inner marten]

Pretty sure 87 mutants didn’t use dips

The just aerate it

Or aerosol

[spark cloud]

Smokin that shit that made Fawkes

I got my nail board I'm movin like an invasive species

[inner marten]

Smoking on the FEV mean green pack

[marsh olive]

yeah, but it's only one version removed from PiV, at least for the Mariposa strain

[inner marten]

I’m sorry but that just reads as penis in vagina to me

[spark cloud]

PIV probably explains pre war ghouls and vault ghouls, FEV atmospheric contamination might explain later ghouls.

[marsh olive]

they rename it, do a single round of tests on creatures to get a slightly new numbered strain, and then immediately move to human tests at Mariposa

[spark cloud]

They do a shitload of tests actually, we see a test log in 76 and they make a lot of strains before Mariposa

Including Snallygasters, the Grafton Monster, Wanamingos, and some other monsters

And of course Deathclaws

[whole totem]

They also tested FEV on the town of Huntersville by dumping it in their water supply.

That created the Huntersville Super Mutants.

[midnight kiln]

FEV was tested everywhere to your mother's dusty asshole

subtly was NOT in their forte 😭

[whole totem]

Well, yeah. It was a very important project, they wouldn't keep it confined to one location. That makes no sense.

[midnight kiln]

Cooper: "i ain't gonna kill [House] to do it"

buddy, you're gonna lose whether you don't kill him or do 😭

"i'll take back Cold Fusion for you"

okay, calm down G.I Joe. you're still gonna lose, also be caught in 4K on one of his many robots.

plot armour cannot save you from House 😭🙏

[whole totem]

I mean

Where's our boy obsessed with golf clubs? He'd beg to differ in a unique way.

[midnight kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/you-play-it-where-it-lies-golf-frustration-angry-club-gif-14558990

the parallels are sending me 😭😭

[whole totem]

Yeah...

Also, I love that Vault 21 was a functioning hotel before the bombs.

[simple sparrow]

iirc the complex inside the mountain was secret, but the one on top of the mountain did some innocuous research

[whole totem]

Big MT had a public face represented by their chief customer/investor, Frederick Sinclair.

[simple sparrow]

and got blown off

[inner marten]

Big mountain as an org was public but the facility was not

They developed the Saturn whatever which is a public product

[simple sparrow]

so is the house that we seen in FNV a double? real house uploaded his brain into "non-biological form", and they'll use cold fusion to revive him?

[whole totem]

No.

[inner marten]

No

The house in the tank is the real one

[whole totem]

It was the real House, as far as we know. The double was a pre-War thing.

[worthy solar]

Though it'd be funny as hell if it turns out the guy in NV was just the body double.

[simple sparrow]

but the mr house capsule at lucky 38 was shown in credits, he was dead (his zombie hand hanging off the edge)

[whole totem]

That's not House's capsule.

[inner marten]

Ending credits aren’t canon

There have been multiple things in the credits that don’t happen in lore

[simple sparrow]

looks like one, what other capsule with a zombie would there be at the top of lucky 38

[whole totem]

House's capsule didn't have a window view of the Strip. That was the pod he used to scan the brains of his girlfriends.

[simple sparrow]

oh ok

was it in game? the girlfriend pod

[silver narwhal]

wassup my Hoover dam adversaries

[whole totem]

Cut content, but it wouldn't be the first time this show included cut content from NV.

Vault 24 and the Strip's south gate come to mind.

[simple sparrow]

why did pre-war mr house say that he is going to survive in non-biological form using cold fusion thing? he is pretty biological in FNV?

[zenith terrace]

can they theoretically bring back saturnite weapons then?

[silver narwhal]

he didn’t get cold fusion

[whole totem]

That was Plan A. Without Cold Fusion he'd have to use Plan B, which is the hibernation chamber.

[inner marten]

He didnt get the cold fusion

[silver narwhal]

that’s why he needs power from the dam

[simple sparrow]

makes sensee

[topaz fjord]

Vault 24 is a stretch its been admitted it was only a jumpsuit designed

[inner marten]

Gotta be a troll lmao

[whole totem]

Admitted by whom?

[silver narwhal]

dude I am never gonna let that go

[simple sparrow]

what

[zenith terrace]

Eh the lucky 38 has its own internal power generation

[inner marten]

This guy argued about the dam for like 2 hours earlier

And just tried to start it back up

[zenith terrace]

I wonder if they'll pop by the dam

[simple sparrow]

ah ok my bad, i thought you were calling me a troll for asking stupid questions

[zenith terrace]

It sounds like the legion has been pushed on and off it repeatedly

[silver narwhal]

It was an hour!

[whole totem]

If they don't use the real Hoover Dam for those shots I'm calling bullshit. lol

Hmm.

Well, it's in the Mojave now.

[zenith terrace]

What they're just gonna shut down hoover dam for a week to do that?

[silver narwhal]

Yes

[simple sparrow]

I hope that the legion that was shown was a bunch of clowns that were left behind on the west side of colorado river, and the real legion is not so corny

[whole totem]

Wouldn't be the first time.

They've done filming there before.

[silver narwhal]

They’ll just edit the bridge out

[zenith terrace]

I think the legion is having a lot of little civil wars like this now that Caesar is dead

[inner marten]

Hoover dam is more locked down then any other place I’ve ever been

[autumn tangle]

I wanna go watch the filming with a telescope 👀

[inner marten]

That place is crazy, they pulled the bomb dogs and mirrors out on my car

[whole totem]

And you don't even need to film the interior, just use sets. Exterior is where the money shot is.

[silver narwhal]

Hoover dam is seriousness business broh

[oblique tulip]

Vault 24 being added was cool

[autumn tangle]

Can you imagine a terrorist attack on a dam?

[zenith terrace]

I'm a bit confused about what their experiment was

[whole totem]

looks at the Legion Yes, yes I can.

[inner marten]

I live near oak ridge so I know I’ll die quick in a fallout scenario

[silver narwhal]

mind control

[zenith terrace]

Was it just good old fashioned brainwashing or was it mind control

[oblique tulip]

Turning pepole into coummies

[zenith terrace]

Or was it both simultaneously

[topaz fjord]

Despite it only being a jumpsuit

[autumn tangle]

Same. Too close to NASA. 🤦‍♂️

[silver narwhal]

I’m disappointed the show hasn’t really pointed towards space travel yet

[whole totem]

It was further testing on the capabilities of the brain-computer interface chip, or "black box."

[silver narwhal]

kinda the whole point of vault Tec’s experiments if you dumb it down

[oblique tulip]

Why should they

[oblique tulip]

That was retconned ages ago

[simple sparrow]

brainwashing I think, he didn't have real time control.

i think the whole affair is to create intelligent controllable supermutants

[whole totem]

Not anymore.

[silver narwhal]

grrrrr

[simple sparrow]

supermanagers as they say

[oblique tulip]

I think vault 24 was brain washing pepole into be coummists to help keep the war going or something idk

[whole totem]

No, that was 32 and 33.

[whole totem]

No, it was to see just what the black boxes were capable of.

[oblique tulip]

Good thing bud didn't make a superkaren program

[simple sparrow]

really? what is the new reason then? I thought that space travel was enclave's plan A, and when that failed it became time for genocide

[silver narwhal]

Chinese got there before vault tec

nuked the world

[dapper scaffold]

Bit hard to do war on a country with no forms of civilisation or government

[carmine bay]

Enclave and Vault Tec were doing the experiments for the lols

[oblique tulip]

Why whould the Chinese do the tests on them selfs

[silver narwhal]

I meant nuking the world

[oblique tulip]

I typed it before you sent the 2md part

[silver narwhal]

megaton popped into my head for some reason

[dapper scaffold]

I genuinely don’t get what vault tec where hoping to achieve

[whole totem]

The experiments were a ploy to let other companies have vaults and think Vault-Tec was on their side. But really, Vault-Tec (and the Enclave) planned to be the only survivors remaining to reclaim the world and make it what they wanted.

[oblique tulip]

Test Vaults arent meant to rebuild

[simple sparrow]

no I mean the larger picture plan, vaults 32-33 would train obedient managers, then they'll get those neck mind control devices implanted and undergo FEV to become intelligent controllable supermutants

[dapper scaffold]

But there’s no world for them to show their tests

[whole totem]

That's the point. Those companies that owned those vaults were lied to.

They were sold/distributed vaults on a false basis.

[silver narwhal]

I think the 400k+ messages received on the terminal in s2 e1 was a log of all data from the experiments

[whole totem]

Vault-Tec and the Enclave planned to be the only survivors left. They were the only ones with viable vaults.

[simple sparrow]

why would they want to run tests, what is the purpose of tests? what would these companies gain from data if everyone is dead by nuclear bombs anyway

[inner marten]

The experiments were secondary to their primary goals

[vestal jewel]

It’s very convoluted natural selection. The admin vaults in the show prove that there were some plans to observe the tests.

[inner marten]

They wanted to outlive everyone the science gained is just a cherry on top

[simple sparrow]

why invite other companies? just for funds/money/investment to build vaults? enclave pre-war was lacking for money

[vestal jewel]

They take what they learn and apply it to their ideal future generations

[simple sparrow]

doesn't make sense tbh, space travel tests would make more sense

[inner marten]

Yes and to get accesses to proprietary tech

[whole totem]

Funds, money, investment, keeping bad press off of themselves, etc.

[inner marten]

None of the excitements besides like one would even be relevant to space travel

[vestal jewel]

Corporate America irl is pretty much like this. They care about money first no matter the risk

[simple sparrow]

didn't enclave control defense spending and had president on their side? would they really need to worry about investment

[whole totem]

Yes, because they were still just a shadow government at the time.

[vestal jewel]

That I don’t know. It’s most likely they’re just hoarding money and squeezing as much out of the companies before the world ends

[whole totem]

The Enclave doesn't care about money, it cares about control and power.

[vestal jewel]

Money = power

[whole totem]

Yes, but they knew they wouldn't need money after the world ended.

[silver narwhal]

not when that money is deemed useless

[inner marten]

They needed the money for the pre war stuff

They knew it wouldn’t matter so they tried to make it into useable resources before the bombs

They made these deals to get all the tech they could

[vestal jewel]

Well think about it, if the enclave were to retake America, they reinstate the currency, and they’re fucking loaded once again

[whole totem]

That's not their plan.

[vestal jewel]

It’s not

[simple sparrow]

money doesn't have value

[vestal jewel]

But it can be a small part of it

[whole totem]

Their plan is to be the only humans left.

To eradicate war by having no one to go to war with.

[inner marten]

Money has no value now, but before the bombs making as much as possible and using it to build infrastructure that will be valuable to the only survivors, enclave and vault tec

[silver narwhal]

they’d go to war with themselves

[vestal jewel]

Yes, and eventually they do have to procreate, and actually create a functioning society

[silver narwhal]

war never changes broh

[inner marten]

Yes that’s the premise of the series

[whole totem]

I never said it was a SMART plan. I just said it's the plan.

[silver narwhal]

nah it’s just capitalism now

[simple sparrow]

did enclave save the genome of animals? or built some sort of noah's ark?

because if their anti-FEV thing have worked, wouldn't that kill all animals, plants, bacteria, basically everything and make earth uninhabitable -- nothing to eat, to grow, etc

[carmine bay]

It’s like the Enclave needs a Unity, a Master…

[inner marten]

Always has been both

[vestal jewel]

Also the enclave doesn’t need to make sense lmaoooo. Theyre a bunch of inbred offspring of the most corrupt government at their time.

[silver narwhal]

It is now but the original fallouts were strictly about war

[inner marten]

Consumerism and self destruction are the core themes of the universe all the way through

[inner marten]

They were not, they had less emphasis but it was there

[whole totem]

I think it was specifically coded to kill anything with afflicted human DNA, which would be all wastelanders, ghouls, and super mutants.

It was essentially bioweapon genocide.

[silver narwhal]

The original developers never intended it to be a critique on capitalism. Of course it works very well in universe but it wasn’t intended.

[inner marten]

The whole Great War was about resources, the consumerism angle is expressly stated by the narrator

[vestal jewel]

That would have to have effect on the enclave soldiers too because there’s no way their dna hasn’t been affected

[simple sparrow]

but that wouldn't achieve purity right, there would still be mutants, just non-human

and since the war there have been developed a sentient non-human life, like spores, tunnelers, various mutants etc

[inner marten]

Wrong reply

[whole totem]

They've kept themselves shut away the same as the vault dwellers have. They're not afflicted.

[inner marten]

It was definitely a critique of humanities unsustainable ways, which is easy to wrap together with capitalism

[silver narwhal]

Fallout can be a critique on capitalism but it wasn’t intended to be.

[vestal jewel]

Can’t really put logic to a faction that’s just kill kill kill

[silver narwhal]

You can really wrap it together with anything. Humanity itself isn’t sustainable.

[simple sparrow]

that is not true, also it is bad writing to make evil guys just evil for the sake of evil

[whole totem]

Why?

[silver narwhal]

Cold fusion was created. It’s an infinite power source and in theory removes energy scarcity. People are still fighting over it.

[whole totem]

Why is evil for evil's sake bad writing? It's not like that sort of person doesn't exist IRL.

[inner marten]

Because they want domination

They want a monopoly on the power not to share it freely

[silver narwhal]

It makes sense. I just meant that humanity will always want more.

They want the power that comes with controlling the energy.

Etc etc etc

[simple sparrow]

enclave does have a point from their POV, it is the only way to rollback the world to pre-radiated state. when thought about in centuries and in 1000s of years, it is the best way to make sure that humanity survives long term -- of course it comes at a price of being evil and genocidal now, but they would calculate that sacrificing millions for the sake of future billions is justified

[inner marten]

Killing all mutants without cleaning the wastes of pollution does nothing

[whole totem]

Like how Ms. Williams told Cooper to kill one man (House) to save billions.

[inner marten]

The mutations will continue

[simple sparrow]

nobody is evil just because, i mean on organizational level, there are crazy individuals sure, but better writing is when actors have agency and goals

[whole totem]

But she's wrong, House is a prick but he's not the cause of the end of the world.

[silver narwhal]

Are any of the mutant humanoids even capable of reproduction?

[simple sparrow]

it is a first step I guess, that's why I thought that their virus is killing everything, animals included

[inner marten]

Most wastelanders are mutants of some level so yes

[subtle lark]

wait so does house get cold fusion?

[silver narwhal]

I’d be very surprised and confused if he does

[inner marten]

Hank still has the briefcase

[whole totem]

No, it's already established that he doesn't.

[subtle lark]

yea and that is pretty weird...isn't it?

like there is no current barrier to house getting it...that we know of

[inner marten]

How is it weird? Cooper is gonna do something to the deal

Vault tech and him haven’t done the trade yet

The trailer had more pre war Vegas scenes

[whole totem]

There's Cooper. Cooper could still manage to steal it himself. Or Barb will somehow make sure House doesn't get it when Cooper comes clean with her.

[silver narwhal]

I don’t think that briefcase even has cold fusion in it.

[simple sparrow]

cold fusion is energy source right? maybe it is needed to power his non-biological form, but why would it be needed to upload him/create it? i would guess that maybe mr house in FNV, even if he is not a double, died, but there is digital mr. house somewhere in lucky 38 that was never turned on due to lack of power.

the ghoul, maximus and thaddeus are gonna clear the lucky 38 of deathclaws, bring cold fusion to house and wake "him" up I guess

the FNV mr house, whether he was real or a double, is dead

[inner marten]

What else would it be?

[whole totem]

What else would it be carrying?

[shadow condor]

i think Coop's wife aint gonna make it but the daughter will

[silver narwhal]

I have the scene of him swapping a briefcase with someone stuck in my mind. They wouldn’t show us that for no reason

[subtle lark]

Because Cooper Howard thought House ended the world, but him doing that required Cold Fusion

or I guess The Ghoul thought House ended the world

or am I misunderstanding

[silver narwhal]

Idk if he even swapped it.. he was just doing something with that other briefcase

[safe hollow]

I feel like house would have annunciated that Hank had the cold fusion in his safe. He would’ve said something like “You see that vault tec employee? He’s going to deliver cold fusion directly to my hands.” But instead he just said that he’s going to “acquire” it that week

[inner marten]

Yes, he also will want to return cold fusion to the people either way I think

[simple sparrow]

mr. house really gotta invest in his delivery systems, bro got both platinum chip AND cold fusion failed to be delivered to him

[whole totem]

Why would he say it in such a machiavellian way?

[inner marten]

Time stamp of the swap?

[simple sparrow]

also did you guys notice that even a shifted date for the end of the world is wrong? mr. house says its gonna happen in 2075, but it happened in 2077

[unique locust]

Now I wonder if he would look like Harold

[simple sparrow]

so something is going to happen that will postpone it further

[inner marten]

His prediction

[midnight kiln]

why is Hank in the same room as fisto

Hank freaky like that? 😏

[inner marten]

Where the fuck was fisto at?

[simple sparrow]

at first i thought it was the gunrunners droid not fisto lol

[whole totem]

House never stated the date the world would end. He did, however, reveal the date the fate of the world was sealed: the day and hour of Janey Howard's birth.

[silver narwhal]

I went back. It actually wasn’t a swap. It’s a scene where he grabs another briefcase. (In the airport).

Could’ve been his luggage but they wanted to show him doing that for a reason.

[unique locust]

When was that bro

[midnight kiln]

at the 18:14 mark - at least for me

[inner marten]

When he literally offers to carry her briefcase for her?

[oblique tulip]

The chicken fucker going in a date with fisto

[silver narwhal]

When cooper glances at him from the phone booth

[whole totem]

18:14 is the Chicken Fucker trying to hook up with Fisto.

[midnight kiln]

yeah

[inner marten]

Yeah he was moving his wife’s luggage for her, he was looking at him because it’s implied he has the cold fusion

[safe hollow]

In my opinion, house seems like the type of person to say things like that because he wants the credit for it. He wouldn’t want coop, or anyone, to think that he was using someone else or relying on someone else to get the job done. He seems like the type of person to want to take credit and let people know when he’s given it

[inner marten]

No I mean like physically where

[midnight kiln]

like location wise?

[inner marten]

Yes

[oblique tulip]

Hank has a thing for barb?

[whole totem]

You and I have completely different understandings of House then.

[silver narwhal]

Yeah I guess I missed that part beforehand

[oblique tulip]

If I was coop i would have told hank I don't want a assassination traget to be carrying my luggage

[midnight kiln]

i genuinely can't tell 😭 they appear to be at an outdoor bar - there's a billboard in the background that showcases Hoover Damn.

[silver narwhal]

in a park next to a taco stand

Not anywhere in the games

[midnight kiln]

Hank moves fast damn

[whole totem]

Hank got that slasher movie villain energy here.

[midnight kiln]

haven't finished the episode but i wouldn't be surprised if that happens 😭

[silver narwhal]

I knew he was talking to fisto before the camera even panned to the sexbot. I felt Fistos energy

[midnight kiln]

sorrows and prayers to fisto <3

[whole totem]

Fisto is fine.

[oblique tulip]

Adding new areas to the blank desert isent a bad thing

[silver narwhal]

How did he steal fisto from the wrangler

[midnight kiln]

no, for the loss of his "beloved"

[silver narwhal]

i didn’t care about them adding a park

[orchid crow]

now thats a romance I can get behind

[whole totem]

What makes you think he did? Maybe after the Garretts left or whatever, Fisto went his own way.

[silver narwhal]

Did the Garretts leave?

[oblique tulip]

Fisto found true love

[whole totem]

Did you not notice they're not running the Wrangler anymore?

[safe hollow]

One thing I just thought of, how tf did Hank know where chicken F’er was to go and get him; or did chicken F’er just casually stumble onto Hank just searching for job candidates

[silver narwhal]

I figured they’re just paying a bartender

[orchid crow]

could be either, I liked that bartender though, was great in the bear

[oblique tulip]

The chicken fucker got knocked out

[midnight kiln]

New Vegas is in shambles, but damn they let Fisto get stolen?? what has this economy come to 😔

[silver narwhal]

Wrangler looked pretty sad for (presumably) the only running casino in left in Vegas

[oblique tulip]

Hank probably used up all the pepole in the tests

[whole totem]

The Wrangler's never exactly been high class.

[safe hollow]

No I know that, but why was Hank at a taco stand in bum nowhere

[midnight kiln]

slander 😔

[safe hollow]

Maybe I’m just thinking about it too hard

[oblique tulip]

Maybe he wanted a taco idk

[midnight kiln]

fast travel

[whole totem]

Hank was absolutely prowling looking for wastelanders nobody would miss.

[silver narwhal]

I just figured with the removal of their biggest (and only) competitors they’d get a little more business. Of course this is all built on assuming there aren’t any other casinos.

[subtle lark]

That Taco stand is Fisto's! The chicken fucker was walking over with flowers and knew Fisto operated out of there now. Hank was likely just there for some time with Fisto and found the chicken fucker

thats my head canon

[silver narwhal]

I would not want that thing making my taco

[subtle lark]

He doesn't make tacos mate

[oblique tulip]

Why not

[silver narwhal]

Questionable sour cream

[whole totem]

I mean, the state of Freeside isn't exactly what I'd call "thriving." It seems to be the status quo from when we first find it in-game has been maintained or re-established.

[silver narwhal]

Looks slightly improved

[safe hollow]

Just what I was gonna say

[midnight kiln]

I KNEW IT it was obvious but yknow

[whole totem]

Yes, but only slightly.

[silver narwhal]

More businesses and people. Less crime

[fierce arch]

That's assuming they're even in those pods. 😏

[oblique tulip]

Why whouldn't they be

[whole totem]

I don't think they'd activate the pods if nobody's in them.

[silver narwhal]

so coopers princess(es) will be in another castle

[opal ferry]

I think at the end of the season theyll be opened only to be empty

[fierce arch]

Other people can be in other people's pods. People have pointed out some disprencies with Claudia's pod when she was released.

[whole totem]

Yeah but... hear me out... what if he dies this season?

[opal ferry]

they are not gonna kill off cooper lmao

[fierce arch]

It's possible someone else could be in it, we won't actually know until they're opened.

[oblique tulip]

Why whould they

[silver narwhal]

I don’t think they’d kill him off without establishing new characters. He’s also arguably the best character in the show.

[safe hollow]

Imagine if Janey gets “fathered” and she’s an adult now

[subtle lark]

I honestly could see Janey being in it and Barb being out of it

[silver narwhal]

Janey is head of the enclave

[whole totem]

They would if Walton Goggins wants out of his contract for whatever reason. Which, I can't imagine he'd want to remain part of this for five seasons.

[midnight kiln]

don't do that to me, brother. i am not in the required emotionally functioning level to process that possibility rn.

[fierce arch]

Yeah, or the other way around. Genuinely, it could go either way. I'm not sold on both of them being in there at the same time. It would be super convenient.

[drowsy crag]

So the Enclave launched the nukes.

Not to mention the bombs dropped a few days after the Enclave was discovered.

[whole totem]

We don't know if the Enclave launched the nukes.

[midnight kiln]

DONT DO YHAT TO MEEEE

[silver narwhal]

We can see people actually in the pods.

[fierce arch]

IM JUST SAYING - WE DON'T KNOW

[midnight kiln]

[silver narwhal]

Barb is the new Caesar after her transition

[whole totem]

Transition to a blonde white dude?

[silver narwhal]

nah the chiseled black dude

[safe hollow]

I just started hurting because the scene with coop meeting Janey is going to be a gut punch no matter how it’s handled
I think shes gonna scream because he looks so unfamiliar which could add to Lucys dialogue with the ghoul about what his family would think about his actions and what he’s done to get them back

[whole totem]

But Legate Kevin becomes Caesar, not her.

[silver narwhal]

Rome Alone

[midnight kiln]

thought you meant her morality 😭

[topaz fjord]

But still can’t shake the wet bandits

[oblique tulip]

His family being gone/dead is gonna be lame/less impactfuk

[simple sparrow]

if his wife is enclave, she'd be pretty anti-ghoul racist as well to add to irony

[whole totem]

The "Wet Bandits" should be Ma June and Barv. "Barv" even rhymes with "Marv."

[midnight kiln]

hopefully, at the very least, Janey is alive somewhere

[whole totem]

Yeah, she didn't deserve any of this.

The one fucking innocent in this whole show.

[drowsy crag]

Think about it.

Who would benefit the most from a nuclear apocalypse?

The Enclave.

Who's the last semblance of the American government after the apocalypse?

The Enclave.

Who developed the "Demon in the Snow"?

The Enclave.

[fading plover]

he had a quest marker there

[midnight kiln]

ohhh, so, those chips force you to forget everything except your general motor functions too……. okay, not liking those implications to the plot.

scared

[whole totem]

The Enclave wouldn't nuke America itself. That'd be stupid. IF they trigger the apocalypse it'll be thru manipulation of China to launch first. That way the Enclave keeps its hands clean and all the indications we've found since that China launched first remain true.

The best way to get China to launch first? Leak the existence of FEV to them.

[topaz fjord]

What would be the wildest robot type to have the fisto programming

[whole totem]

That way Tim Cain's intent is canon and so is the new show's additional world-building.

[topaz fjord]

How about invading the chinese mainland and pushing and pushing

[whole totem]

Invaders can be repelled.

They'd need a reason to believe these invaders can't be.

[spark cloud]

Securitrons. Look at them beefcake hands.

[topaz fjord]

They can but you keep turning up the heat, power armour , deathclaws, supermutants etc

[whole totem]

Super Mutants are FEV.

And we don't have super mutants pre-War.

[topaz fjord]

We do huntersville

[whole totem]

Where?

That's a pretty far cry from being in China, man.

[shy apex]

just wanna reiterate how damn good the music is in this show

[drowsy crag]

It really is damn good.

[whole totem]

Absolute bangers.

[topaz fjord]

Depends what they were using those test subjects for, how many other places they did so

[shy apex]

ive had the brotherhood of steel themes on with nothing else since this season dropped

[ancient musk]

isnt it the game of thrones guy

[shy apex]

genuine banger

[chilly oasis]

Caesar's Legion show theme 🔥 🔥

[shy apex]

yeah, he slaps

[topaz fjord]

But pre war there were supermutants in apallacia just hidden

[whole totem]

I installed that mod for Fallout 4 that replaces the Prydwen arrival theme with the BOS theme from the show.

[shy apex]

SAME

[whole totem]

It works so much better.

[shy apex]

i genuinely hope they reuse the themes in the next game, theyre so good

[whole totem]

Just get Ramin Djawadi to score the next game.

[midnight kiln]

roach farming lesbians <3

[shy apex]

and the bos one specifically can be used as a battle theme , a somber theme, a hopeful theme, depending on how its scored, its really versatile

[drowsy crag]

I want to hear some form of "California Dreaming" to be the Fallout Series theme for the NCR.

[ancient musk]

nahh i like inon zur too much. ramin is solid tho.

[shy apex]

have them both work on it

[whole totem]

I only like the Fallout theme from Inon Zur's track. The rest I could replace with Mark Morgan's tracks and still be happy.

[ancient musk]

the ambient tracks are what make fo4 and fo76

[shy apex]

theres a track thats been released called some justice which is a really bangin bos theme use. and im really hopeful its a maxson entry score

its not been used yet in s2 but its one of the s2 bos tracks

[drowsy crag]

Somewhat along the pace of this

https://youtu.be/kCVIKTjauBk?si=zI7XO4ouLYSq7cGw

[ancient musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkwK7xfu8yw version of this playing when they show liberty prime destrying freeside to get the cold fusion back

[whole totem]

Listening to this, this is an even better replacer for the Prydwen arrival than the one in the released mod.

[ancient musk]

hang on... cooper is a commie

you know what that means !

[bold nest]

I'm not sure why Elder Maxson would show up but I'm all for it if that's the theme they use

[shy apex]

its probably the most intense use of the bos rhythm

[whole totem]

No he's not. He's just not insane.

[ancient musk]

yeah that sounds like pinko talk

[drowsy crag]

More likely disillusioned.

[shy apex]

the bos music in general is the best in the show tbh

[bold nest]

True

[whole totem]

I do love Ramin's use of the Fallout theme though.

I wish it was used on the title cards.

[shy apex]

if its becoming the ncr theme in the show im all for it

nah , it would be a bit odd. the short and swift title card with a different design everytime fits it better

[fading plover]

more ncr pls..

[whole totem]

Nah, have a look at the E3 teaser for FNV and you'll see what I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVhz3lnXYyc At 1:41

[ancient musk]

the fo3 theme = ncr theme is almost guaranteed an executive producer decision. he wouldnt just slap that there randomly.

[shy apex]

theyre obviouslly building up to the ncr being rebuilt better. so we'll definately see it reused

[fading plover]

we still haven't gotten ||Legion near vault 31 people|| from leaks
or ||NCR near the bridge of the blamco factory||

[chilly oasis]

Something I haven't heard anyone talk about is an allusion to the Khan Empire from FNV ending slides mentioned this episode

[ancient musk]

better to not delve too much into such major implication lore when it doesnt have game backing

like its why i feel the tv show is being careful with existing lore

[whole totem]

Season 3 is serving as the backbone for Fallout 5 so that statement you just made doesn't matter.

[shy apex]

hopefully if the bos comes back in the next game it involves the east reinvigerating the west

[ancient musk]

you cant really depict a major wasteland power when it previously existed as a couple of tents imo

[chilly oasis]

I don't want BOS in the next game to be a major force

[whole totem]

I think that's what they're setting up for the Brotherhood arc.

[midnight kiln]

did House just imply Barbara had something to do with creating DEATHCLAWS??????? huh?????????? 😭

[worthy solar]

Or at least take away their airship and Vertibird spam privileges.

[fierce arch]

They might not be if it's on the West coast.

[midnight kiln]

am i stupid????????

[shy apex]

house implied the enclave exists

[spark cloud]

In the OG lore, it was the threat of a super mutant invasion that made China fire the nukes. The project wasn't finished in time, which is why most muties are dumb.

[fierce arch]

No, he's implying Barbra works for the Enclave.

[midnight kiln]

OHHHHH

[fierce arch]

Whether she realizes it or not.

[shy apex]

she seems to be the public facing ceo

[whole totem]

I think she does.

[midnight kiln]

whoever said Barbara may end up a ghoul racist - those chances just upped 😭😭

[spark cloud]

No, but she was an Enclave plant in Vault Tec and directly oversaw the FEV project to some degree.

[whole totem]

I think Hank is working for RobCo and Barb is working for the Enclave and both of them are infiltrators in Vault-Tec.

[shy apex]

shes not actively enclave, but as the face of the company she is an enclave stooge

[midnight kiln]

WHAT

[spark cloud]

Barbara is 100% going to be a ghoul racist

Norm finds the FEV files on her computer in the vault Tec HQ

[worthy solar]

Like, the East Coast is their playground, and a decent chunk of the West Coast chapters were at Quintus's little pow-wow. Frankly, maybe it'd be in Maxson's best interest to just evacuate any loyal personnel from the West Coast and regroup in full back East.

[fierce arch]

WestTek is the Enclave's front for FEV and Defense operations for america.

[shy apex]

tbf the fev project started off legit

[spark cloud]

And that Barbara approved all the vault Tec experiments

[fierce arch]

And WestTek deployed the Deathclaws.

[shy apex]

west tek started them but the millitary took over the project

[ancient musk]

imagine if house is a brain in a biogel jar with the think tank guys, just chilling at big mt keeping watch on the strip

[spark cloud]

WestTek turned the PIV into FEV and the enclave manufactured Deathclaws to use against China.

[midnight kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/stares-in-wtf-wtf-wtf-meme-wtf-gif-fox-news-gif-7522361706442941443

[shy apex]

and the millitary is run by a member of the enclave at the very least

[whole totem]

It did, it was designed to be a cure-all, particularly against the New Plague. But the military stepped in and weaponized it.

[spark cloud]

Only part of it

[shy apex]

and the new plague is now a canon pre war event

[spark cloud]

Always has been, it was in FO1

[shy apex]

the shows giving us so much JUICY lore

[whole totem]

It's been canon since Fallout 3.

[midnight kiln]

okay, so, the odds of Cooper wanting to find his wife either to: reconcile with her, or, shoot her just drastically changed in favour of shooting her

[shy apex]

was it not a van buren thing?

[fierce arch]

76 implies a lot of it, actually.

[whole totem]

It was, but then Bethesda's Fallout 3 made mention of it on a few terminals.

[shy apex]

i guess i missed out on that particular easter egg

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[whole totem]

Move, kitty, MOVE!!!

[shy apex]

nuh uh

[worthy solar]

Yeah, her loving her daughter isn't a get out of consequences free card.

[dark needle]

Plus New Plauge is mentioned in the show

The sign for Affordable Als hospital where the Radscorpions were said "new treatments for the new plauge"

[shy apex]

thats what i meant earlier

[spark cloud]

The Vault Dweller: "{112}{}{Tell me about this installation.}"
ZAX 1.2: "{117}{}{This installation was established in 2055 as a biological research facility for experimental cures of the New Plague. However, in 2071, this facility was placed under United States military command.}"
ZAX 1.2: "{118}{}{Research into possible cures for the New Plague created the Forced Evolution Virus, which was further developed in an attempt to create a transmittable genetic-engineering virus -- in effect, infectious evolution.}"

Vault Dweller is FO1 btw

[whole totem]

Yes, I think we all know that.

[midnight kiln]

OHHHHHHHHH HOUSE WANTS COLD FUSION TO HELP KEEP HIM ALIVE

[foggy karma]

There is some good set design in the house and coop scene that a lot of the random fan idiots will not understand I don't think

[dark needle]

What i get for not scrolling up

[spark cloud]

Van Buren was just going to make the new plague into a much more important story point

[midnight kiln]

into a shrivelled up sultana

[foggy karma]

He wanted coop downstairs so that he wasnt standing above him, house needed to be elevated and could choose to meet coop on his level philosophy

[whole totem]

And infect the player with it, causing every settlement the player visited to die horribly after the player left.

[dark needle]

More like House hates the idea of people having power above him

[shy apex]

van buren was gonna have the new plague come back

[foggy karma]

House needs to be seen as above and also be in control, it's great acting of saying shit without saying shit

[foggy karma]

That's what I said mate lol

[dark needle]

Ugh, what i get for chatting after work. Brain no work good

[midnight kiln]

a crippling god complex and ocd will do that to you

[foggy karma]

I love that they put that dumbass hat in too lol

[whole totem]

What if you have neither of those and STILL don't like people having power over you?

[fierce arch]

plus paranoia

[foggy karma]

Houses hat! The helmet

It's silly looking and I'm glad they put it in

[spark cloud]

Did you see House's hat? It's so stupid ha ha. What even is it.

[whole totem]

You mean the device he uses to interface with the 38's systems and also run those algorithms?

[foggy karma]

Made his crash out all the better because he had a dumbass helmet on

[dark needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761424826085933057/1461138919931383818/SPOILER_RDT_20260114_1520471592644872296638958.jpg?ex=696a1fe9&is=6968ce69&hm=a37fc7e7bd13e617190bf70737b3ad772ae639b879099b15be652fb7e631901e&

[spark cloud]

https://youtu.be/LO2k-BNySLI

[foggy karma]

Yes I know what it is for I've played the games lol

[spark cloud]

I can't separate them

[foggy karma]

Also his crash out made me want to see a Bioshock film/tv show

[whole totem]

His crash out was justified tbh.

[foggy karma]

Wanna see Andrew Ryan have that same crash out and then have a Bad Time after

[fierce arch]

the moment he looked at Coop and was like, "I'm the Lunatic?" I knew it was coming, Justin Theroux nailed it. lol

[whole totem]

I mean, I never thought I'd have to defend House of all fucking people but here we are in 2026, things are looking bizarre already.

[worthy solar]

Frankly, I kinda feel bad for House at this point; first his pre-War plans get torpedoed by a mixture of the Platinum Chip being delayed and whatever happened to cold fusion, then post-War his Chip gets stolen by Benny, and potentially his hired courier kills him. Even if he won at Hoover Dam, his main source of revenue gets crippled barely one to two years later by Barbara Howard's former personal assistant, and now Deathclaws are squatting on the premises of the Strip. Frankly, I wouldn't blame House if he just is on permanent crashout mode by 2296.

[whole totem]

Dude's just getting fucked over three ways from Sunday.

[inner marten]

He did make a union member kill his 3 friends with mind control and let his head explode

[fierce arch]

I will give him this, for a many who got shafted and fucked over a lot, he still bounced back decently well.

[whole totem]

We'll see how well he's bounced back by the end of this season, I'm sure.

[dark needle]

FWIW a lot of Houses issues pre-war is not know who's behind the curtain.

But after Fo2 the Enclave are a known quantity. Hell, I half wonder if one reason House was so quiet is because it took him that long to figure it out

[worthy solar]

Yeah, his backup plan post-War actually had a decent shot, if not for the sheer statistical unlikeliness of lightning striking twice to thrice with rogue variables mucking up his plans.

[spark cloud]

Maybe if House wasn't such a dip shit he wouldn't have waited until the literal last moment to get the chip

[whole totem]

He was actually awake and in observation mode by the time the events of FO2 happened.

[dark needle]

Exactly

[whole totem]

But he still waited until the mid 2070s to retake the Strip.

[dark needle]

He observed, saw how things were going. With the Enclave unmasked and a booming economy to leech off of? He could enact his plan

The variables were minimized

[spark cloud]

I hope Maximus kills him tbh

[dark needle]

Until Benny, and also underestimating (presumably) the Enclave blowing up Shady Sands

[fading plover]

I'm really excited to see house post war.

[fierce arch]

Same.

[dark needle]

Also there's One thing that's always bothered me, Yes Man.

How could someone random Follower create a program in Houses own network he couldn't flush out? Even with the Chip? What if she wasn't so Random

Another Enclave Agent

[topaz fjord]

I wonder given the slight differences if anyone ever question the second house

[worthy solar]

Might as well start making a list of potential Enclave operatives to kill for future playthroughs of NV at this point.

[dark needle]

"Maybe those genocide run players have a point?"

[spark cloud]

I don't think Yes Man is in the network until you kill house and take over the penthouse

[topaz fjord]

Elijah

[dark needle]

He can still body swap between Securitrons

[ancient musk]

pretty sure next ep will reveal victor has house's mind strapped to it. i just realized victor says he doesn't remember anything from prior to house programming him 15 years before FNV starts, which is when he woke up

[fading plover]

Like. while he be alive. An AI version? any mentions of the chip?

[fierce arch]

either alive or a digital version.

Hwoever, it will be stupid if the courier upgraded the securitrons, just to kill House. lol

[fading plover]

I doubt we'll see his body

[worthy solar]

And on the topic of Yes Man, the show kinda makes his ending even more sus; dude brought up finding code snippets in House's database which'd make him assertive. Now, I don't know about you, but what if those code snippets were a backup plan of House's to overwrite any unauthorized AI with a brain-scan of House?

[fierce arch]

We won't.

[whole totem]

I think they'll leave House's in-game fate ambiguous.

They've dropped enough lore tidbits to let us form our own headcanons for future NV playthroughs.

[spark cloud]

I doubt the legitimacy of Yes Man's body swapping, it feels more like a gamificiation to prevent the player from getting locked out of ending the game. Aame reason why Preston never turns his back on you even when you become a raider warlord enslaving the Commonwealth.

[fading plover]

it will be challenging considering we see him on the TV in a trailer

and Cooper as a ghoul in the same shot

[whole totem]

Not really. Only if you have a piss-poor imagination and/or an aversion to headcanon.

Which... if your imagination is shit, what are you doing playing an RPG?

[fading plover]

Either he's dead. Alive. or Digital version. maybe he gets turned back on when Lucky 38 gets cold fusion

[spark cloud]

I don't think it's crazy that House's body dies and he's trapped inside the computer. He just lost access to the rest of the network.

[violet brook]

this is a major spoiler so im gonna put it in tags but || the trailers basically confirmed that the ghoul hasnt died this episode||

[fading plover]

well yeah.

[spark cloud]

Yeah we know. He was still moving around and stuff.

[whole totem]

Or he already uploaded his brain Pre-War but it needs cold fusion to operate.

[spark cloud]

He just needs to eat some glowing fungus soup

[fading plover]

yeah that's what I mean by digital version

[violet brook]

speaking off house was i the only person that got incredibly annoyed over his monologue about mathematics

[ancient musk]

I've talked about this and basically came to the conclusion that any event where an ending needs house's chamber to be opened can be retconned into not killing him fairly easy

[violet brook]

bro, you are not that smart just say you majored in game theory its really not complex xD

[spark cloud]

AI does need a lot of water to run... Maybe that's why they fight over the dam.

[whole totem]

Probably. I hate math too but thought that was very on brand for him.

[violet brook]

All blud is doing is solving a matrix of probabilities instead of one probability

pretending to be a genious, meanwhile most engineers comming out of uni had game theory and did shit just like him, some people got through entirety of game theory before they even touched a singular line of code

[whole totem]

...

[spark cloud]

House is very much an average smart guy. A genius in one field, a fucking idiot in everything else.

He's just been more lucky than everyone else

[violet brook]

he is a genious but his ego is immaculate

if he was trurely smart he would either simplify what hes saying or speak less

from what it stands in the show he appeared to me like jimmy neutron, an abnoxious ass "genious" that cant speak properly

[fierce arch]

Why are we pretending he can't be both, have you never met someone whose super intelligent but super egotistical at the same time?

[worthy solar]

He'd be great at bullshitting college essays and dragging out the word count.

[violet brook]

thats why i hate him, his ego

[spark cloud]

Send in Mr fantastic

[violet brook]

he is the kind of guy that had his ethics professor walk out of the lecture

[ancient musk]

ive been saying forever that house's mouth is writing checks his brain cant cash. hes a great businessman no doubt but has extreme delusions of grandeur

[fierce arch]

Right but him having a shitty big ego doesn't take away from him. lmao he is smart, he's just a dipshit.

[spark cloud]

House may have a degree in theoretical physics but fantastic has a theoretical degree in physics

[violet brook]

i just like calling him a stupid dipshit

feels euphoric

[spark cloud]

What's he gonna do get up out of his chair and stop me?

[worthy solar]

Ain't no way he'd be able to do shit in an actual physical fight without his Securitrons.

[violet brook]

thats what makes him kind of cool tho

[spark cloud]

Even if he hides in his computer I'm still gonna upload space invaders and play games on his brain

[violet brook]

also we dont know if hes in shape or not

might be a case that he decided to focus his workouts on endurance beacause its easier to get strenght from chems than it is endurance

and power armor frames kind of solve the issue of needing brute strenght

for all we know he was sitting alone with a body double watching everything who says he wasnt doing cardio daily ?

he wants to have his lifespan extended right? hold all the cards dude just had to work out

[whole totem]

Working out isn't enough.

He wants to live "indefinitely," working out doesn't grant that.

[violet brook]

30 minutes of cardio a day can absolutely help you expand your lifespan

[whole totem]

Not to the lengths HE is aiming for.

[fierce arch]

... That doesn't make you immortal.

[violet brook]

or at least improve the quality of life when you get older and more frail

[fierce arch]

He's looking to be INFINITE, so he's UNAFFECTED by time. He wants to live forever, Immortality. That is his goal.

[violet brook]

it doesn't but what would be the harm of doing that ?

[fierce arch]

Brother...

[topaz fjord]

I wonder why janeys birth is the catalyst for houses equations

[violet brook]

yeah but immortality is pointless if your quality of life sucks

[fierce arch]

... I can't tell if you're serious or trolling.

[violet brook]

look how he ended up, sure he is immortal but he cant move hes a corpse probably in pain pumped full of painkillers

[whole totem]

It's not. That's the day and moment the world's fate was sealed.

[violet brook]

im serious, im not saying thats the only step hes taking my point is, if he sits around with a body double in his place all the time i doupt he wouldnt be working out, even to just feel better

[whole totem]

I think it's something to do more with Barb. Once she had a child, it became inevitable that she'd kill the world to protect her.

[fierce arch]

His goal is not peak PHYSICAL conditioning. He's looking to alter his subconcious into a digitized state so he can live forever. He want OUT of a physical body. Quality of life doesn't mean shit when you're out of an organic body, my guy.

[topaz fjord]

Yes but why and why does house know its her birthday

[violet brook]

the original point started with people saying he wouldnt be able to do shit in a phisical combat

i argued that there is a chance that he focused on endurance beacause he has tons of free time

and strenght can be solved with technology easier than endurance, not to mention workouts are good for your mind

[fierce arch]

Yes, but now you're talking about his goals, which is completely separate from the original point.

His goal is immortality irrelevant of his peak physicality.

[violet brook]

i never mentioned that it was its goal thats something you pushed into the discussion

i just said how working out would impact his goal positively

[fierce arch]

I did not. You said expanding his life span, i said it's not expanding his lifespan that he wants. He wants immortality. I was fixing your incorrect statement. lol

And you tried to justify it implying they were the same.

[paper radish]

unfortunately don't think any of us are in a position to understand how to be immortal 🙁

[fierce arch]

or rather, "It can't hurt." Not that it's the same.

[violet brook]

i havent you are pulling words out of my mind

[topaz fjord]

Vault tec had investors that buds buds believe they could contact post war that sounds like the enclave

[fierce arch]

They probably could, if they had the right frequencies.

[violet brook]

if its not the same then whats your point ;-;

[fierce arch]

I imagine the Enclave gave them the proper stuff to use.

[shy apex]

imortality as an ai or a dude withering away in a pod is kinda shit.

[violet brook]

we will see more of it i have a feeling that robco will pull out last moment

[fierce arch]

No, you're right.
Assuming his plan would even work.

[violet brook]

immortality is degenerate anyways, not valuing time would make life awful for everyone

think how much longer you would have to work to retire in a world where everyone lives forever or how much harder would it be to innovate

[topaz fjord]

Other thing i noticed was barb was in charge of vault proposals so whats her relation dynamicwise to braun who had a similar role

[fierce arch]

I would argue Barb was more powerful cause she was taking direct orders from superiors.

[spark cloud]

West Coast vs east coast probably.

[paper radish]

huge lmao at Byan Johnson transfusing his sons blood to try and de-age himself irl. Like, people are trying allllll sorts of shit

[midnight kiln]

okay that betrayal (cooper and Lucy) went more harder than i thought

[fierce arch]

Where Braun and people like Hugo probably were more independent in their operations.

[inner marten]

Braun was a scientist

Barb is corporate

[violet brook]

it was framed so well too

[topaz fjord]

Though braun was also in charge of a vault tec subsidiary and had control of experiments though he did also lock himself away two years early

[drowsy crag]

Anyway...

Long Live the Republic.

[midnight kiln]

-# booooooo

[fierce arch]

so was Hugo.

[topaz fjord]

Hugo was higher

[violet brook]

i thought that barb lives in 33 untill the reveal

[shy apex]

hugo a bitch

[drowsy crag]

forcibly annexes

[fierce arch]

Hugo is a bitch. lol

[shy apex]

i regret sparing him

[topaz fjord]

Theory braun was in charge of the program until he sealed himself in tranquility lane and by that point barb was placed in charge

[drowsy crag]

But wasn't that after the apocalypse?

[shy apex]

no, he was sealed away years before

[drowsy crag]

Oh.

[shy apex]

they wanted him for liberty prime im pretty sure, but he was allready unreachable

[topaz fjord]

No the dates given imply 2075 and f76 backs this up by saying he did not want to be disturbed again

[fierce arch]

This is correct.

[drowsy crag]

Okay.

[topaz fjord]

So possibly after the bulk of the science was done barb replaced some or all of brauns role

[violet brook]

would be funny if it turned out that barb had an affair with someone above her and was literally selling her body to keep the world from ending for sake of her daughter

[fierce arch]

I don't think Barb replaced anyone, I think she was positioned specifically along side the others.

[midnight kiln]

i need Lucy and Cooper to make up i can't handle this despair

they're so sad

[topaz fjord]

Replaced the wrong word the tasks may have been relegated after the key science was done

[violet brook]

im still wondering how did coops daughter end up in a vault without him and him having no memmory

they were escaping together how did he lose his daughter xD

[topaz fjord]

Or alternatively barb approves the projects braun works out how they work

[midnight kiln]

bc she was likely forcibly taken

[violet brook]

the timing of the explosion makes me belive that barb didnt have much of a say in it beacause she would make sure that her daughter would be with her at the time

[fierce arch]

Idk, i think the answer is more simple, given the fact we have zero knowledge of Vault tec's boards, it's just possible Barb was pushed into that position rather than it being suddenly relegated to her. We're only just now recently having the Vault tec hierarchy being filled. We still don't have a CEO.

[violet brook]

i feel like she was just a face for the person playing the cards thats obvious

[midnight kiln]

it originally being her daughter's birthday is diabolical 😭

[violet brook]

and if its not house, nor hank then who

[drowsy crag]

Enclave?

[fierce arch]

Enclave.

[topaz fjord]

True the highest known exec was abducted by aliens

[violet brook]

right? as if someone was taunting barb

everyone sees barb as a villain, im gonna die on this hill alone but i say barb was actually a victim here

and just a face for some other player

[fierce arch]

An before that the only board we knew of or higher up was Braun, they're only now just adding more to the hierarchy so it's probably their plan is to fill those seats out for it to make more sense from the top down.

[midnight kiln]

honestly expecting it to be a mixture of both

[simple sparrow]

china

enclave planned to, but china did it first, thus screwing up their plans

[violet brook]

wouldnt that mean enclave had its silos ready meaning they absolutely had countermeasures and just decided to not take action ?

[topaz fjord]

My issue there is brauns given description was that he ran the experiments

[fierce arch]

She might be a victim but she still did horrible shit, doesn't necessarily matter. The ends don't justify the means when you're planning to practically end the world.

[fierce arch]

Because he was a scientist, but I highly, highly doubt he was the only one.

[violet brook]

im not saying shes a good character more so closer to gray like her hubby, the psychopatic freak that we all love

[fierce arch]

He's just the one we knew of the most at the time.

[spark cloud]

The enclave did launch missiles and were in a good position already (president already evacuated to Poseidon) they just let their loose ends get bombed

[spark cloud]

Braun was more of the hands on guy, not the shot caller

[simple sparrow]

they haven't decided not to take action, they had a date planned but china did it first unexpectedly, so they weren't sufficiently prepared
but they would have 100% done it, they just got beaten to it

[nova minnow]

They even let other enclave they didnt like on the mainland get fucked

[topaz fjord]

But he held power over the decisions made for making said experiments 4,76 both back that up

[violet brook]

we know from season 1 that coop will be found out and deemed a red i think we are close to seeing it soon

[fierce arch]

Yes but he didn't dictate all of them did he? Evidence would counter that given just the lore we know of other vaults.

I have a hard time believing Braun held all that power specifically.

[simple sparrow]

might be due to anti-war stance? pretty common to paint pacifists/anti-war activists as commies, america did it with vietnam

[violet brook]

I have a feeling that we need to look into politicans residing in idaho, ohio and appalacha ( unironically )

those places were quite intact aside of the plague

[nova minnow]

We’ve seen the appalachian ones

[violet brook]

I wonder how ||maximus will end up having an ncr power armor||

maybe we will get to see remnants of BoS ?

[nova minnow]

Ncr you mean?

[fierce arch]

He's probably just going to scavenge it.

[topaz fjord]

He had some role in the approval and its said he was head of the societal preservation program

[nova minnow]

Yeah either grab it off a corpse or shed, or he’ll met some retired vet

[violet brook]

all im gonna say to avoid more spoilers is look at the trailers

[nova minnow]

Thats ncr power armor my guy

Not brotherhood