EPISODE 6

[fierce pond]

Yes

[visual locust]

Sounded like him

[outer trench]

Yes

[silk cape]

If we do it will be out the prydwen window

[fierce pond]

He played the mutant

[silk cape]

I wonder if quintus is still alive

[fierce pond]

I’d assume so

[visual locust]

We didn't see him die so he is

[outer trench]

He didn't die so

[ancient barn]

He's too narratively important to die offscreen like that

[rocky mortar]

This will be the age of mutants

[visual locust]

This will be the end of muties

The general rule of storytelling is that if you don't see a character die. They didn't die

[fierce pond]

I observe how turning into a ghoul is awful, but one thing I realized is when ghouls are becoming feral they keep reminding themselves of their name, we saw this with Martha in the super duper mart, and later with Roger, and today with cooper

Life is hard out here, especially for them

It’s just sad to watch them become feral

[silk cape]

Radiation can also speed it up in some lore hence why most glowing ones are feral

[fierce pond]

idk why but I thought radiation healed them, maybe I’m thinking of something else

[silk cape]

It can too, it seems

[reef briar]

Based

You can’t get rid of the original rulers

[wary dawn]

Does both

At least, did both
Radiation hasn't come up as a problem for ghouls in the show yet

[fierce pond]

Right it’s only been used to heal Cooper with help from the mutant, he heated up uranium and placed it in Coopers wound

[blissful osprey]

New episode out? What happened

[fierce pond]

Yesss it’s so good

[silk cape]

I would be amused if cooper back a glowing one

[outer trench]

Did the hate watchers show up yet

[fierce pond]

That could be cool to see, I hope they add more weird creatures into the show, it would be crazy if we saw a centaur, or an interloper type thing, or even something like Harold

[fierce pond]

No but I’m seeing hate towards the episode on TikTok and Facebook, personally I loved today’s episode they haven’t made a bad one at all

[wary dawn]

This was probably one of my favorites so far, just because we could finally see Hank's vision in action

That and the whole bunch of big reveals

[wet harbor]

Maybe because people is expectimg other things, more lore, know what happened to factions and stuff

[gentle forge]

Watchin it rn I'm gonna be excited

[tidal kraken]

Tbf, i don't mean to be rude but people should know better, or at least temper their expectations.

[fierce pond]

people have been complaining about how today’s episode feels like a "filler" episode and I just have to disagree, we got so much lore just like we’ve gotten in all the other episodes, but that’s just me seeing the positive in everything especially since I love the show!

[tidal kraken]

they will tonight, or tomorrow - Watch SirMingy is gonna show up.

[frosty basin]

🙁

[tidal kraken]

It was a lot of exposition but watching it a second time, my initial take was it felt like filler but i don't agree. It was a lot of tying the characters together, answering questions.

[tidal kraken]

He's a prime example of the bad ones, we all know it. lol

[fierce pond]

I agree

[frosty basin]

Various people have some very weird interpretations of filler recently.

I sort of think that short of ‘big action piece where someone dies or a location blows up’ is viewed as filler to some people.

[tidal kraken]

This has me most excited because if a new Mutant/Ghoul alliance faction shows up, setting up for a playable ghoul faction to Ally with in FO5 - it's immediately amazing.
The concept itself is interesting. We can see he doesn't like the NCR, LOATHES the Enclave, and im sure we'll learn more.

[midnight lily]

mutant thalmor

[tidal kraken]

Honestly, i'd vibe with it - anti faction pro-mutant

[gentle forge]

WHAT THE FUCK IS CAESAR'S LEGION DOING IN THE BUNKER WITH HANK????

[tidal kraken]

they got kidnapped fam

[small canopy]

Good day, citizen.

[midnight lily]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-peace-rainbow-multicultural-day-dream-gif-20417641

[gentle forge]

Yeah I'm doing a live watch

I found out just before you sent that

[midnight lily]

hank's master plan basically

[heady venture]

I’m guessing everyone will turn on each other as soon as the brain devices turn off

[gentle forge]

I wonder if he put the brain device in his own daughter or not cause why would he arrest himself

Oh nah I see the back of her neck now nvm

[long lake]

I wonder if you can just rip the device off and they’ll be fine or it’s one of those things that just kills uou if removed

[gentle forge]

I mean judging how you couldn't really take the pip-boys off of people according to the Gary in Operation Anchorage the DLC, potentially the death part

[visual locust]

Mutie faction 🤢

[wet harbor]

I thing that one thing in this episode is that a lot stuff shows in a way that makes you pass it or feel it as natural, so it feels a bit empty even if it has lore

Stuff like tadeus speaking about boneyard, the dwellers sub plot, and the people hank kidnaped, the supermutant comunity

[jovial hamlet]

Okay, what the hell is going on with the Enclave dude from Season 1? How'd he get to the Enclave outpost if he is with Vault-Tec?

[wet harbor]

Asociates

[barren carbon]

I am so astonishingly intrigued by everything that’s going on

I hate the weeks between episodes

[wet harbor]

Two weeks more

And then a year of wait

[visual locust]

A year thats funny

[gentle forge]

God that feralization from the Ghoul seems like it hurts
I'm sure he'll not turn feral tho

[wet harbor]

Hes strong and has a reason to live

[tidal kraken]

Mutant supremacy boutta be lookin' real terrifying when all the mutants rally against y'all im just saying

[wet harbor]

His family is alive, and near

[jovial hamlet]

So, did Barbara inadvertently turn against Vault-Tec and go with the Enclave?

[gentle forge]

Well he is doing the "my name is" thing so we'll have ta see
I'll just watch more of the show

[barren carbon]

Vault-Tec IS the Enclave

[visual locust]

No

[wet harbor]

Against us? Smoothskin?

Talk for yiu

[visual locust]

Enclave is controlling Vault tech

[barren carbon]

That’s what I meant

[gentle forge]

YOOO HE'S PULLING HIMSELF UP

[tidal kraken]

She turned against Vault tec and the Enclave, is a more proper way to look at it, she's essentially being blackmailed by the Enclave, while she's working IN Vault tec.

[small canopy]

CMON BUDDY

[visual locust]

Also was that the Fallout 1 vault map in Barbs office

[small canopy]

YOU CAN DO IT—

[tranquil orbit]

enclave power armor soon

[wet harbor]

Wait, vault in México?

[fierce pond]

people villainize barb for obvious reasons but I really like her and I’m excited to learn more about her as a vault tec employee, today’s episode gave us a good look into who she is but I need moooreee

[visual locust]

It's pretty much revealed the enclave is blackmailing her

[frosty basin]

why is that funny? It'll probably be about a year or so before S3 given current production schedules. Probably more like 1.5, but it's not an unreasonable timeline

[tranquil orbit]

i wonder whos representing the enclave

[fierce pond]

yeah in the elevator scene

and we know someone from the enclave was in the meeting with vault tec, robco, etc

[visual locust]

Barb has cold fusion and then we know somehow enclave ends up with cold fusion

[tranquil orbit]

who was it?

[visual locust]

Essentially Barb

[tranquil orbit]

the actor

[visual locust]

Enclave told her what to say

[tranquil orbit]

i dont think we saw his face in the meeting scene

[visual locust]

I assumed that was real house

[raven stratus]

So another episode down and there is more issues, as per usual

• The Legion are now cannibals according to Hank. Like what? What are they making these pointless changes to existing lore. Also why is Todd's mind that bad guys must be cannibals. He also wants cartoon evil, because he doesn't understand complex storytelling. He's so simple minded. They did the same with The Fiends last season, stating they're cannibals. Just dumb.

• The implication that The Enclave now runs Vault-Tec makes no freaking sense. The Enclave did in fact work with Vault-Tec, President Dick Richardson states that they have several vaults, but this show is now suggesting Vault-Tec is now part of The Enclave. We're changing 20+ years of history here, why the F are we doing this? This is just pointless.

• Wow was that "super mutant" really bad. They (like many other things on this show) didn't even try to make it look like an actual super mutant. It was a guy with some green paint on his face. The Incredible Hulk from the movies looks more like a Super Mutant than what is supposedly an actual Super Mutant in this show.

• The Lucky 38 suites are all wrong. They aren't white walls, they're red walls. Hotels usually keep the same aesthetic for all rooms, so for the the show to take such a drastic change is again... pointless. They really haven't tried in the slighest to be game accurate. They really have zero care for the franchise. I'm just sick of seeing them destroy this once great IP.

• Once again the crappy treatment of the NCR is on full display by having the Legion soldier destroying the NCR soldier in that "battle".

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but yeah, this is a few of the biggest issues of this episode.

[jovial hamlet]

And Doctor Siggi Wilzig who made off with the Cold Fusion tech season 1 ?

I wonder how he fits in all this.

[fierce pond]

What map? The only one I remember is this

[vast blade]

little bit confused, what exactly was in that syringe

cold fusion? FEV?

[visual locust]

They hate New Vegas that's they're making the entire show about New Vegas and an dlc for fallout shelter and dlc in fallout 76 that's is NV themed

Oh wait

[jovial hamlet]

It is the Cold Fusion nodule. Not F.E.V.

[tidal kraken]

Don't, don't. Don't even engage brother, he comes in every week and says the same nonsense just. Ignore him. Lol

This is the 6th week in the row, same song and dance.

[tidal kraken]

You mean the one used on Hank?

[visual locust]

Cold fusion tablet was in Hanks head the injector was to get it out

[raven stratus]

Yes they clearly do. They are destroying everything from New Vegas. They are also at the same time trying to capitalize off the success of New Vegas, a game better than anything Todd has produced. They want to shape it to their image (destroying it all) and then monetizing it for max profit. Zero care. It's just shallow, that's all.

[raven stratus]

Caring about a once great IP, isn't nonsense

[visual locust]

That's why they made the entire franchise revolving around New Vegas yes brilliant strategy

[vast blade]

as we saw a few eps ago the Legion is currently struggling and is a shell of their former selves, wouldn't surprise me if they resorted to cannibalism to survive

[tidal kraken]

Last week he got muted by the mods, we'll see if he learns this week. lol

[tranquil orbit]

if hank had the fusion core inside him could his body fuel power armor?

[vast blade]

yeah

[vast blade]

why did it wake him up tho

[tidal kraken]

It's the same syringe wilzig used to store cold fusion in his head

[visual locust]

Needle injected into your head

[vast blade]

so Hank has cold fusion in his head too?

[raven stratus]

Well up until now they've done their best to ignore the existence of New Vegas. But since that didn't work they decided let's just destroy it all. That'll show them. Todd is filled with hatred for New Vegas and there is ZERO debate at this point

[vast blade]

yeah fair point lmao

[tidal kraken]

Instead of storing it in the brief case, yeah Vault tec stored it in his head - it's like a needle injected to put it in and pull it out.

[visual locust]

Bro needs to lay off the jet

[raven stratus]

They made the Legion a joke, like everything else from New Vegas. Still it's a change that didn't need to be.

[tidal kraken]

He won't. lol

[jovial hamlet]

The Legion sucks. Deserved the change, honestly.

[vast blade]

mhm, they got the colors of the rooms wrong! todd is seeking to utterly destroy new vegas and wants to burn Obsidian to the ground!

[tidal kraken]

TRUE. The games even tell you the Legion crumbles upon Caesar's death.

[raven stratus]

It was worth it. I spoke my mind. My opinion is valid and I am FREE to share it. The mods may not like my opinion but that's okay. It's better to be muted for an opinion, rather than muted for telling someone F you, like someone did to me.

[vast blade]

ohhhhh, she pulled it out of his head! I am so dumb!

[vast blade]

how are they a joke exactly?

[visual locust]

The super mutant isn't real they didn't create real life F.E.V. and inject it straight into Ron Perlman 😡

[tidal kraken]

yeah, they hid it there, it's like - imagine if he got held at gunpoint or something? They wouldn't find anything in the brief case, it's hidden in his head.

[raven stratus]

I care more than most, what can I say? I won't apologize for caring about Fallout.

[jovial hamlet]

If I could play the game all the way through, I'd nuke the Legion to kingdom come.

[tidal kraken]

Always drop the bombs on slavers in Dry Wells. 😉

[visual locust]

You can kill every faction in NV

[vast blade]

yeah that makes sense, and this might imply some kind of Barb face turn potentially?

[tranquil orbit]

just imagine if netflix or paramount did fallout

[tidal kraken]

You didn't speak your mind, you belittled everyone around you bud. And you got told to stop, and you didn't. Here's to hoping you learn your lesson, but i'm not holding my breath over it. lol

[vast blade]

but you don't care, you are just moaning about how much you hate Bethesda's fallout lmao

[visual locust]

And they very clearly didn't kill off NCR and legion we see them in teasers for future episodes

[raven stratus]

Obsidian burned themselves to the ground over the last several years. But New Vegas itself? Yeah Todd wants that thing destroyed and forgotten. Details matter! So yeah, get the colors of the room right. We were there, we know how it looks. This is showing lack of care on the showrunners part.

[tidal kraken]

Every week btw, prime example of hatewatching.

[raven stratus]

Your point?

[vast blade]

for the record we only see one room in new vegas and it is literally the best room in the entire hotel, so yeah it will probs look different, but still this is so stupid lmao

[visual locust]

When obsidian kill everyone it good when Bethesda kill a few people bad 😡

[raven stratus]

I doubt it'd be any better or worse. Show adaptions suck 10 times out of 10. But the fact Todd is involved in this shows there is a very clear goal here.

[crude nacelle]

Did they move up the release of the next episode? By how many hours?

[tidal kraken]

They didn't, it's the same time.

[vast blade]

@raven stratus if you hate Bethesda and the show so much just play new vegas, not like anyone is forcing you to watch it

[frosty basin]

6, by the looks of it, unless they goofed

[raven stratus]

I haven't belittled anyone, I spoke my mind. Nothing more. I strictly call out the issues bud!

[tidal kraken]

Nah nah, HE HAS to watch the show. He's gotta tell us how wrong we all are for liking it.

[crude nacelle]

Oh, I saw tweets saying they did

[tidal kraken]

What? It released at the same time for me this week

[tidal kraken]

OHHHHH for the next episodes.

[jovial hamlet]

This is the worst place to do it. Go scream to Todd Howard if you care that much.

[vast blade]

tbf when I saw that the lucky 38 hotel rooms looked slightly different I thought about quitting there and then, other than that really solid ep

[frosty basin]

Normally it's midnight for me, Amazon is showing the coming soon for next week. Typically they don't show that, and it also shows the time being 6 hours ealier

[visual locust]

People really expected the Mojave to be in the exact same position it was 15 years prior in one of the biggest places of conflict post war

[raven stratus]

Well I have a strong despise for Todd and Bethesda Game Studios as most people do now. They aren't talented, they're the joke of the gaming industry. The DSP of the gaming industry. Make no mistake, this is an obvious smear job they're pulling on New Vegas.

[vast blade]

can we please talk about the actual ep

[tidal kraken]

The issue is more so that people expected things to be 1 to 1 as they were in the games, they never are for tie-ins. Especially because the devs said they shrunk down the game for limitation reasons.

[visual locust]

Not only do I not like Bethesda but they HATe everything I like 😡 😡 😡

[vast blade]

touch some irradiated grass

[clever stag]

@raven stratus You can stop the dev bashing now. Talk about episode 6 if you're going to be in here.

[jovial hamlet]

Oh, boo hoo.

[raven stratus]

I have to watch it because I care that much about Fallout. I have to be aware of the damage they are doing to the series since this unfortunate show is canonical. It's important to be informed.

[vast blade]

new vegas actually seems smaller in the show lmao

[tranquil orbit]

nah fr lmao

[tidal kraken]

The strip is smaller, freeside/westside are bigger.

[tranquil orbit]

in the trailers vegas was a city

[raven stratus]

One of the devs is an executive producer. I'll focus on the problem with the producer on this show

[tidal kraken]

I think John Gonzalez was the consultant for the Strip design.

[clever stag]

@raven stratus This channel is to discuss episode 6, not a soapbox for you to rant and rave. Talk episode 6 or you're getting muted. Again.

[raven stratus]

Todd doesn't care

[tidal kraken]

Who was on the FNV team.

[raven stratus]

Where I can voice my problems with Episode 6?

[vast blade]

the damage like...the hotel rooms being the wrong color! how will the franchise survive!

[jovial hamlet]

Talk about episode 6, please.

[raven stratus]

this show has done A LOT of damage to the franchise. The room color is one small details, but still important nonetheless

[clever stag]

Here, but you aren't doing so. Talk about the episode. Last warning.

[reef briar]

You ain’t gonna get promoted to mod…

[midnight lily]

instead of ad hominems be more specific maybe?

[tidal kraken]

Anyway, new mutant/ghoul ally faction? I'd like to see that please. Something new. not a rehash of unity, or unity 2.0

[raven stratus]

Fine. So let's talk about how bad the super mutant looked. Why didn't they even try?

I mean it's a guy in green face paint

[visual locust]

The super mutant looked fine

[jovial hamlet]

If I did, I'd mute @raven stratus for the next two weeks.

[wet harbor]

Maybe a reference to fallout 4 supermutant one, or a mic of uthobita and jacobstowm

[vast blade]

the only real issue you mentioned was the legion eating people, which honestly fits when you see their current situation and lack of real morals lmao

[frosty basin]

That's very much not a person in green face paint. Wait until BTS comes out, but I'm willing to bet money that a full CGI head

[reef briar]

The rage bait is real😭

[tidal kraken]

I thought the design looked fine honestly, it could've been real worse.

[raven stratus]

Have they heard of CGI? Because that is not what a super mutant looks like.

[vast blade]

did we not see the same show, the SMs were clearly CGI lmao

[raven stratus]

I gotta disagree here, because like we know what they are supposed to look like. Why did they just paint a guy's face green?

[jovial hamlet]

I'd rather have practical effects over excessive CGI.

[vast blade]

they looked pretty good tbh, was so worried they would look cringy

[visual locust]

This looks fine
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447297591363502304/1463675963954167840/IMG_1249.webp?ex=6972b1f7&is=69716077&hm=54491410bb8fb12a1cfaeb939dc36cdec37044d69f47d12d1c5bc22e8ef0803e&

[tidal kraken]

Also half of his face is covered so like - even then. I think it looks okay.

[raven stratus]

He has a normal face with some wrinkles and it's green

[wet harbor]

What is your profile pic i though it was a humpti dumpti

[raven stratus]

yeah look at this atrocity

[vast blade]

idk man, I think it looks fine, go scream to Todd about it

[reef briar]

Hodd toward

[jovial hamlet]

I like the design.

I can handwave it to being different than the games.

[vast blade]

anyway...very strong ep, kinda seems like Lucy and Barb might be moving in opposite moral directions

[tidal kraken]

But naw the implications are nice, like I said before - potential new faction building off the dialogue from the Underworld in FO3 is great. I hope we actually get a lot more of it.

[wet harbor]

"It just works man, what about a super aniversary edition btw?"

[raven stratus]

Todd has never listened to criticizm. What makes you think he'd listen to any for Episode 6 of a show?

[vast blade]

Bethesda game studios has a lot of issues rn, the show is not one of them

[gentle forge]

THE HOODED ONE TALKS ABOUT THE ENCLAVE CREATING THEM....

[visual locust]

People said they wanted more NV and he delivered idk what you want

[raven stratus]

but you see, it SHOULDN'T be. This is meant to be in the same canon as the games. Yet they didn't even try to make this Super Mutant's face anything close to the games

[tidal kraken]

Pre-war mutant maybe? Or something better.

[raven stratus]

No one asked for him to destroy everything, every episode he does something to destroy it

[tidal kraken]

Lines up though with the Rust King Reveal in 76.

[jovial hamlet]

Cry to Todd Howard.

And it just works for a live-action adaption.

[visual locust]

He didn't destroy anything

[raven stratus]

The Strip, Primm, Camp McCarran, NCR, Legion, Kings are all destroyed

[vast blade]

really wanna see how Lucy deals with this morally greyness over the mind control chip, if she might side with Hank, if temporarily

[visual locust]

Yes and they can be destroyed in NV

[raven stratus]

The biggest issue has to be The Enclave implied as the true head of Vault-Tec

[tidal kraken]

Primm and Camp McCarran are end-credit scenes, they're not canon. lol

[frosty basin]

There's roughly as many interpretations of how exactly super mutants look as there are fallout games, there's some variations each time. There really isn't a singular objective 'this is how super mutants look' design

[vast blade]

CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE EP

[tidal kraken]

Anything shown in the end credits, is not canon.

[visual locust]

Source?

[raven stratus]

like why? They worked together before, but now it seems they controlled Vault-Tec

[tidal kraken]

IM TRYING I MENTIONED THE MUTANTS AND THEIR IMPLICATIONS. /s

[raven stratus]

We literally are buddy

[tidal kraken]

None of them have been so far aside from S1's finale, and im pretty sure the showrunners have said so.

They're just keyart/concept art - not canon stuff. Besides they use Ai in those art. lol

[vast blade]

no we aren't, you are just bitching and everyone is responding to you

[raven stratus]

that makes it okay?

[vast blade]

let me try...

[midnight lily]

this seems more of a budget thing than them being lazy. they had him in the shadows for most of the scene

[raven stratus]

about the episode... it's my right to talk about the issues with the episode. I'm breaking zero rules

[vast blade]

I wanna see more Barb, there was some indication she might side with Coop, courious to see why they still end up seperated by EP 1

[visual locust]

Bro Todd's not doing anything that you couldn't already do in the game 😂

[tidal kraken]

All the budget went to the Deathclaws. 🥀

[jovial hamlet]

Can we mute SirWingy for the time being and get back to the episode talk?

[visual locust]

Cgis expensive

[raven stratus]

It's Amazon... I'm not sure it's laziness but rather incompetience or just general lack of caring.

[midnight lily]

have you produced a tv show?

[raven stratus]

Why? I've broken no rules. We're talking about Episode 6

[tranquil orbit]

i hope we see aradesh and tandi next season

[vast blade]

you're issues are fake, the only one that is even remotely understandable is the legion one, and even that one is a push

[clever stag]

Don't bait him or argue, just block him.

[wet harbor]

The show is made by someone else

Anyways

[vast blade]

you get the point lmao

[tidal kraken]

Fair enough. another one to the list, then.

[wet harbor]

The true unaswered thing

fisto

[raven stratus]

My issues are very real issues the franchise will have to deal with going forward. This episode alone implied The Enclave ARE Vault-Tec. Like what?

[vast blade]

"YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!"

[tidal kraken]

WYM UNANSWERED?

[jovial hamlet]

Will do.

[bleak glen]

i wonder if we'll see advanced power armor next season, that'd be cool

[raven stratus]

No Chris Jericho references in this thread. Keep it on topic - Episode 6

[tidal kraken]

I pray, more Enclave confirmations, would be nice or a Black Devil scene in the finale.

[jovial hamlet]

Ah, much better.

[wet harbor]

What about the shy?

[frosty basin]

Honestly I think the SM design is probably both trying to keep budget lower, but also giving them wiggle room for the future.
They were relatively noncommital with the design seeing as we've seen one singular SM and really just his face.

Now they have wiggle room to ensure that it loosk great for future seasons and aren't locked into one design as of now.

This season had the Deathclaw as the big new creature - SM's will pretty soldily play a larger part down the road

[raven stratus]

Oh gosh, imagine how they'll butcher Advanced PA

[tidal kraken]

Probably where the budget will go next season tbh.

[vast blade]

the SMs look fine, they don't look stupid and that's the key thing lmao

[tranquil orbit]

maximus should inject himself with cold fusion for unlimited powerarmor usage

[vast blade]

the courier would 100% do that

[raven stratus]

Sure it's one mutant and a small role, but accuaracy is important and this episode did nothing to be accurate. His face is literally just green and has some wrinkles

[tranquil orbit]

he already did thats why his power armor never runs out

[vast blade]

where are those mailman balls Maximus?!

[bleak glen]

i honestly can't wait to see which location next season is going to

[vast blade]

the courier has more game than I ever thought possible...

[jovial hamlet]

I assume this may be a new "mutation" to make the Super Mutant's a bit more human.

However, I can be wrong.

[tidal kraken]

they don't look like THIS MONSTROSITY

[tranquil orbit]

detroit

the super mutant looked great i thought it was gonna be shitty cgi

[vast blade]

probs DC, will line up well with the FO3 remake and the almost certain enclave storyline

[tidal kraken]

Same.

[tranquil orbit]

but this aint netflix

[crude nacelle]

What? No? They make it clear that they are controlling vault tec, not that they are vault tec

[vast blade]

that looks fine ngl lmao

[visual locust]

Jarvis, pull up lieutenants talking head

[jovial hamlet]

Which do you prefer: the Fallout 3/New Vegas model, or the Fallout 4 model?

[tidal kraken]

I hate 4's design, but that's just a me thing.

[tidal kraken]

I prefer FO3 and FNV's model yeah to distinguish the differences in West/East coast mutants.

[raven stratus]

Yeah that's what I meant, I don't like it. It makes no sense

[vast blade]

I like basically all the designs for the all "monsters" in all the games tbh

[jovial hamlet]

What about the Nightkin?

[raven stratus]

keep on topic - episode 6

[tidal kraken]

The Enclave has always controlled Vault tec, they've always been in bed with one another. Actually if I remember correctly, wasn't it Tim Cain who said that most of the data for the vaults was for space travel the enclave was gonna do before it was retconned?

[bleak glen]

Holding out hope for that courier mention in the finale 🤞

[tidal kraken]

Nightkin are fine, the distinguishable difference in the Nightkin are the voices, I think they're okay.

[jovial hamlet]

Yes, made for space travel.

[midnight lily]

space travel is back on the menu I think

the season 1 finale stuff was just corpobabble by bud

[crude nacelle]

It literally does, The enclave always used vault tec for the safehouse project

[raven stratus]

Well no. President Dick Richardson said they had a few vaults. They never controlled them. But episode 6 very much implies that. There is still a way out, but it's unlikely

[digital nacelle]

My guess is that House’d maybe mention them in a vague way.

[wet harbor]

Bud is dead right?

[visual locust]

Probably

[tidal kraken]

Yes, he's dead.

[midnight lily]

norm smushed him i think

[raven stratus]

They worked together, not controlled. This episode more or less confirms they are in charge

[tidal kraken]

got rid of the brain juice

[visual locust]

Betty found him dead

[tranquil orbit]

buds office in the credits was kinda messy for an exec

[wet harbor]

Wasnt he still moving?

[tidal kraken]

no the lights were blinking

[wet harbor]

Maybe beth lied dunno

[midnight lily]

sources telling me bud is stable

please god

[wet harbor]

Shame, he looked cool

[tidal kraken]

[visual locust]

Where is Norm is he safe is he alright

[wet harbor]

Nerds rage oerk i gues

[tidal kraken]

He's about to unleash || the Radroach farm on all the super managers. ||

[bleak glen]

i hope all the vault 32 and 33 residents die

[midnight lily]

norm is going on a trip to mariposa

[bleak glen]

they need to stop sucking up the screen time

[visual locust]

I liked the dance scene

[midnight lily]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-1-fallout-fev-the-master-gif-11790937452286209576

[wet harbor]

I like mcleNs family

[tranquil orbit]

i hope the vault dwellers get a fallout 2 intro pulled on them

[raven stratus]

Alright gentlemen, I think that's about all I can take for the day when it comes to this show. Obviously Episode 6 created some new issues, which is expected. Only 2 more episodes, then I guess I'll be on my way. I would love to come to this chat one time and be like "that was awesome" but alas that hasn't happened yet. Maybe when the show is over I'll be in some other chats, maybe post some cool pics from my current NV playthrough. We'll see. Later everyone. Good talk!

[bleak glen]

chet super mutant season 3 here we go

[midnight lily]

i hope the showrunners do a qa so i can tell them i do not care for the vault incest subplot

[bleak glen]

the vault incest plot is the only reason WE watch the show

[visual locust]

Chets getting married what a happy day!

[tidal kraken]

Norm comes back to the vault in chaos cause the incest vaulties want representation.

[midnight lily]

to a canadian. disgusting

[digital nacelle]

Frankly, the entire Tri-Vault is better off as one of those failed Vaults who Fallout protagonists wander through, because that’s where it’s going fast even by failing Vault standards.

[jovial hamlet]

A Pre-War Canadian, at that.

[digital nacelle]

Someone get Nate, clearly he missed a spot when raking.

[raven stratus]

it'll be so moderated, no critiques allowed

[tranquil orbit]

yall think lucy and norm canonically....

[jovial hamlet]

Cousin stuff? Most likely.

[visual locust]

Finish the sentence adam

[tidal kraken]

didn't they admit to cousin fucking?

[tranquil orbit]

if i speak i am in trouble

[midnight lily]

i mean its not a bad experiment compared to say overcrowding or being exposed to FEV or drugs

[vast blade]

norm isn't even hot!

[outer trench]

You dont like the incest support group?

[tidal kraken]

Actually no wait, Lucy says this in the Legion camp, she definitely does at least.

[midnight lily]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-2-gif-670157946705915571

[visual locust]

Uranium fever is spreadin all around

[tidal kraken]

Norm probably did too? idk

[midnight lily]

cousin stuff not brother stuff

[vast blade]

she said she wasn't a virgin...she fucked a raider in the first ep...

[tranquil orbit]

this is gonna be the first scene in s3 when the enclave finds vault 31-33

[vast blade]

not her brother

[visual locust]

Lucy and Chet are cousins, Norm is her brother

[tidal kraken]

I know, i thought he was referring to cousin stuff, not her Brother. . .

[tranquil orbit]

is chet blood related to hank or her ghoul mom? probably not specified

[bleak glen]

One of the script writers needs to be locked up

[midnight lily]

rick and morty writers on the show?

[digital nacelle]

Even the Master would’ve exterminated these idiots rather than dunk them in FEV; you’d hardly tell the difference between them and your average dum-dum super mutant.

[midnight lily]

ghoul mom's side i think. I dont think hank's brother got froze

[bleak glen]

don't compare super mutants to that canadian

[tidal kraken]

wym im pretty sure incest stuff happens in a lot of vaults

[midnight lily]

what happens when you put a canadian like steph in the vats? a complete fucking disaster

[tidal kraken]

They've written/designed vaults that way. Especially the vaults with like 99 men and 1 woman, or 99 women and 1 man.

[digital nacelle]

Yeah, wasn’t Vault 101 already having genetic problems by 2277?

[outer trench]

The master pops out

[tidal kraken]

yeah

[jovial hamlet]

I think so? been a while since I played Fallout 3

[midnight lily]

i think some vault 101 residents were inbred

[visual locust]

Vault 13 had a Russian in it

[crude nacelle]

Yes

[dim venture]

this new episode makes vault tec so comically evil bruh 😭

[tidal kraken]

I appreciate you, danke.

I couldn't remember which dev said it. lol

[digital nacelle]

And also the Enclave by extension, considering they’re holding Vault-Tec’s batshit leash.

[dim venture]

i start off the episode and mfs are pitching nuclear bombs 😭 like okay bro

[midnight lily]

I like tim cain's original idea. I HATED HATED the season one finale's idea that experiments are for a corporate wasteland dictatorship, but i am glad this season is walking back on it

[digital nacelle]

I swear, was the pre-War world even worth the effort to save from atomic annihilation if it was possible?

[tranquil orbit]

the enclave spaceship idea can still work tbh, the idea at least but theres no way theyre building that shit

[tidal kraken]

It's not so much walking back, it's more like, different perspectives. The thing i try to remind people is treat almost ALL information as unreliable unless it's repeatedly by multiple characters the exact same way.

[midnight lily]

like the vault tec stuff in the season 1 finale was my least favorite part if true

[midnight lily]

yeah its more so I was really hoping there was more to it cuz the idea is so dumb

[jovial hamlet]

And House mentioned something about getting people INTO space after a period of time.

[midnight lily]

enclave pulling strings makes more sense

[visual locust]

The intro to Fallout 1 should answer that for you

[outer trench]

The spaceship idea is like the dumbest idea ever

[cinder lintel]

Good evening citizens. God bless the United States of America, and God Bless the Enclave.

[tranquil orbit]

the ghouls in fnv could barely get their own space program to work, spaceships are a dream

[tidal kraken]

I chalk it up to characters being dumb -
like moldaver thinking House was gonna blow everything up.

[digital nacelle]

And literally every scrap of pre-War info too; frankly, I’m surprised the Great War didn’t occur sooner.

[outer trench]

I mean he supported the group

[tidal kraken]

It was too far gone, i think a lot of higher people in society realized it and just started monoplizing on the End of the World.

[visual locust]

American propaganda showing 2 soldiers executing a prisoner of war then laughing and waving at the camera

[tidal kraken]

He didn't though he literally calls them all idiots.
He's using them, that's different than like, actively cosigning or supporting. There's a bit of nuance and difference there.

[cinder lintel]

By the way I still think Congresswoman Diane Welch who keep showing up at all the pivotal meetings and scoffing at corporate influence over America is secretly an Enclave spy pretending to be an idealistic buffoon. When she's thrown off the stairs from the Lucky 38 she's holding the flag, which is technically the US flag.... but also the Enclave's emblem. It's quite... patriotic of her.

[distant jay]

In fairness, there's a LOT more patriotism in general Pre-War.

[digital nacelle]

I swear, are we gonna be paranoid that every pre-War character, Janey included, is secretly an Enclave spy?

[tidal kraken]

or paid opposition? idk about Enclave spy. That's such a stretch, even for the flag connection.

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, im not co-signing this take, lol not saying you are - it's just silly.

[crude nacelle]

She is, did you see the preview of the next episode? ||Cooper gives her the cold fusion||

[outer trench]

He made the pipboy

[visual locust]

Cooper is enclave spy

[digital nacelle]

Though I’d hardly be surprised if, say, Moldaver turns out to be Enclave.

[bleak glen]

Lucy is Enclave spy

[cinder lintel]

And then it ends up with the Enclave? Interesting, I actually didn't see it

[visual locust]

Dogmeat is LITERALLY an enclave spy

[cinder lintel]

The Blue-and-Red Scare

[distant jay]

||That hand was too manly to be hers.||

[tidal kraken]

House made a lot of things though. lol Not all of them were good, again it was probably apart of a deal. Actually, I think it WAS part of deal. House probably got something in return, none of his invetions or deals were free, or in support of the idea. He's just using them to get stuff he wanted.

[digital nacelle]

Nah, Dogmeat’s a good girl; let’s just hope she doesn’t end up like the Fallout 1 Dogmeat.

[tidal kraken]

|| yeah i agree with @distant jay - i don't think it was her. ||

[digital nacelle]

And even mind control too; who’s to say he gave Vault-Tec a product that actually worked reliably on its own?

[cinder lintel]

Well the Enclave's actual loyalists are mostly government officials with 'hidden' public-facing roles on the outside but deep state connections on the inside, and she's the only actual member of the U.S government we've seen so far..

[tidal kraken]

Exactly, and again, his WestTek deal, he helped WestTek but it was because he was spying on them through T45s. lol

Again his deals are not in SUPPORT of the group, they're to give him an edge.

[distant jay]

Considering Vault-Tec dedicated two entire vaults to perfecting the technology, I think he gave it to them knowing it didn't work and didn't expect them to ever get it to work.

[tidal kraken]

No, 76 debunks this unfortunately.

[visual locust]

Can't wait to find out she was also in a cryopod along with everyone else in the US

[digital nacelle]

Hence why it took Hank blowing the heads off of God knows how many people before it actually worked.

[cinder lintel]

Really? How so

[crude nacelle]

||But it would make a lot of sense for her to be, Welch has earned Cooper's trust and it would be a way of showing that the enclave is the deep state ||

[midnight lily]

this is actually one thing I like a lot about the show, characters have blindspots in knowledge. Like Moldaver confusing the defense system with a nuke launcher

[distant jay]

All because of her anti-corporate stance.

[cinder lintel]

I kind of dislike how the show took the cryogenic pods from Fallout 4 and utilized them as a cheap deus ex machina to resurrect pretty much anyone and everyone from the past when so many Fallout factions were fleshed out from the understanding that mostly imperfect solutions existed for extending your natural lifespan ( Mutations, House's many cybernetic augmentations in his pod ( Also Kellog's from Fallout 4, brain-bots, etc ) which is why even highly advanced factions like The Institute or The Enclave are led by the descendants of the founders and not the founders themselves ( And seemingly nobody from vault-tect survives this way in the games either )

This is why it also doesn't fit very well under scrutiny with the cryo-pods from Vault 111 that serve as the canonical basis behind it - On the day the bombs dropped, and even several years and decades afterward, Vault 111 cryogenics were a cutting-edge experiment in its infancy. That's why they used civilians as guinea pigs and assigned the scientists to monitor them - it's clear from the logs they didn't even if those people would survive or not suffer side-effects and other forms of damage.

So It's pretty odd to see them in the show as a ready-made finished mass-manufactured product that is even being sold to 'Elite Deluxe' members and so forth ( And apparently to WIlzig too while the Oil Rig Enclave members just lived and died normally and appointed successors for no reason I guess )

[tidal kraken]

There was a bunch of public facing individuals in the government who weren't part of the Enclave, and when they tried getting support from them they were flat out killed or denied. The Enclave doesn't necessarily have 'ops' in the way that you're thinking.

[digital nacelle]

Though I’m not 100% convinced Moldaver wasn’t Enclave too.

[midnight lily]

i cannot get a read on moldaver at ALL she is all over the place

[digital nacelle]

And perhaps this whole game of cold fusion hot potato was actually all according to Enclave plan.

[cinder lintel]

Obviously, not the entire government is comprised of Enclave members, it's a cabal within the government.

[high shuttle]

At least I haven't called you that again, because I've learned from that
But you are still doing the same thing
Idk why you came back to do the same exact thing this week, though, and if you come back next week well that's just sad

[jovial hamlet]

Fallout 4 cryopods must be the left over tech and used for "public use." The one in the show is the more refined version.

[tidal kraken]

She's the only weird one, in all of this atm.

[outer trench]

The guy who thearten barb was the same guy who wanted to give cold fusion to moledaver

[tidal kraken]

I think so, again i think they want to see if it does work or doesn't.

And who can access it and who can't

[visual locust]

Even more reason to believe Hank is talking to enclave now

[wary dawn]

the number of pre-war relations we're seeing now makes me think that they have a much larger plan for the story than they've shown us so far

[wary dawn]

hank is operating on his own at the moment

[midnight lily]

everybody cryo frozen

[tidal kraken]

Of course. it's just a shame 2 of them died post-war already.

[cinder lintel]

I know for example that the Enclave commander-in-chief is literally The President ( Whoever they elect at any given time, human or otherwise ), but I don't remember if in-game lore ever specified whether the reigning U.S president during the Great War was part of the Enclave too ( And survived on the Oil Rig ) or if he was just a puppet

[midnight lily]

house's dumbass is rotting in a tech tomb

[wary dawn]

yeah, on the bright side we'll probably get a pretty interesting series of flashbacks and timeline stuff

[tidal kraken]

the president is described as a puppet, until Eden.

[tranquil orbit]

house was pretty dumb not to have access to cryo

[tidal kraken]

The actual leaders of the Enclave are the High Command who are still a mystery.

[wary dawn]

cryo wasn't adequate for his needs

he would have cryo if he wanted it

[tidal kraken]

Bro didn't want it, and honestly? I don't blame him.

[tranquil orbit]

fisto is in enclave high command methinks

[visual locust]

House also notably wasn't prepared

[digital nacelle]

And considering how much factional infighting this doodad’s caused, I’d say it’d be even more to the Enclave’s benefit. Keep everyone confused, fighting, and weak so they can’t unite when the Enclave launch their third war of reclamation.

[wary dawn]

he was prepared, just not finished preparing

[cinder lintel]

Yeah I know Eden was very pro-active, although he faced some pushback from General Autumn but most of the Enclave still deferred to Eden by the looks of it

[visual locust]

So not prepared

[cinder lintel]

Sounds pretty military to me

[tidal kraken]

A meme take from me but whose to say they can't make another?

[jovial hamlet]

Still unsure if General Autumn is alive or not.

[digital nacelle]

Though would, say, Lucy smashing the damn thing against the wall be an unexpected hiccup in the plan?

[wary dawn]

he did everything he could've done to be prepared

the chip was 20 hours out when the bombs came, if he had the chip he'd have everything in place

[jovial hamlet]

The Cheyenne Mountain Complex might be overlooked.

[wary dawn]

ultimately his situation is just down to rotten luck, which is fitting for the guy who thinks he's the house

[tidal kraken]

Autumn genuinely didn't want to wipe out the wasteland in the way Eden wanted to.
Also Eden is only really in power because he saved Navarro survivors. MODUS warned him not to do what he did.

[wary dawn]

so, I have a thought now

[cinder lintel]

Haven't played 76 ( Only 1 to 4 including New Vegas ) so I wouldn't know, interesting

[wary dawn]

I kind of think dogmeat might not be a normal dog

[tidal kraken]

And as of 76 we've got a lot more Enclave facilities, and a lot more ZAX's like Eden about.
As far as we know it was only the Navarro survivors deferring to Eden not the Enclave as a whole.

[wary dawn]

idk if this is the first time we've seen dogmeat get the plot going a certain direction but he seems to have knowledge a normal dog lacks and seems to be doing things a normal dog wouldn't

[tidal kraken]

76 has really good Enclave lore, some of it's best IMHO. Especially because they knew about the Zetans, and were trying to understand/reverse engineer more of their shit.

[jovial hamlet]

Could there be a ZAX in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex?

I also think a lack it being mentioned suspicious.

[tidal kraken]

Very possible. It could be like the other ZAX's and not communicate with them all.

like MODUS communicates with all of them, but not all of them Communicate with each other, if that makes sense.

[digital nacelle]

Perhaps Dogmeat is still taking remote commands from the Enclave?

[worthy fractal]

101% that the Enclave will be somewhere in the Rockies or the Midwest (Chicago area) and that final season of the show will be our protagonists going against it with all-out war

[tidal kraken]

Potential High Command HQ, maybe, who knows.

[wary dawn]

this is what I'm thinking, either enclave or wilzig has possessed him (not literally but yknow)

[worthy fractal]

yeap, or in the Midwest

[tidal kraken]

idk || that san fran leaks and Todd telling them not to touch it be looking mighty interesting. ||

[cinder lintel]

Yeah, they've always had a crazy technological advance because of their state monopoly and Zetan 'leaps', still got somewhat eclipsed by the Institute remarkably enough and apparently by Vault-Tec when it comes to cryogenics according to the show.. but then again apparently not because Wilzig survived intact, go figure

[wary dawn]

mind control technology, testing with dogs, plot convenient dog responsible for tying everything together

[jovial hamlet]

It being in a remote area and in the mountains makes sense for it to be a High Command HQ.

[ocean isle]

I mean Wilzig hid him to raise him as his own so if the Enclave put something in him to track him they’d know about Wilzig hiding him

[tender pilot]

Man this episode confused the fuck out of me

[tidal kraken]

I said it before, i say it again. It looks eerily similar.

[frosty basin]

what part?

[worthy fractal]

remember: the pre-war Enclave had 132 years (1945 - 2077) to prepare for the survival of nuclear war

[digital nacelle]

Wasn’t Cheyenne Mountain/Vault Zero already blown open in Tactics?

[tender pilot]

Literally all of it lol

[wary dawn]

the interesting thing is that dogmeat would be taking commands without the collar

assuming that is what's happening of course

[tidal kraken]

The facility we see in S1 has been operating since 2076 according to the showrunners.

[digital nacelle]

Or someone at Enclave HQ is remote controlling the pooch like a video game character.

[tidal kraken]

Also makes me wonder how many fucking enclave people are cryofrozen in that bitch if Wilzig came from there.

[bleak glen]

Do we think the Strip Deathclaws might be mind controlled?

[worthy fractal]

I didn't catch that detail, thank you

[wary dawn]

wilzig's evil brother, zigwil

[tidal kraken]

Ya welcome!

[ocean isle]

I really don’t think the Enclave put any tracking devices in Dogmeat. It wouldn’t make sense since he was hidden for so long

[digital nacelle]

Wouldn’t be the first time the Enclave’d be trying to control Deathclaws.

[wary dawn]

doubtful

[tidal kraken]

I'm not against it, it's just so weird they haven't destroyed the walls to get into Freeside.

[wary dawn]

not out of the question but there hasn't been any indication of why the deathclaws are there yet so

[wary dawn]

freeside seems to be... a very dangerous place to be at night

[cinder lintel]

Now the question is, if corporations didn't start the war to eliminate factions and get a capitalistic monopoly ( I guess ) and it was really the Enclave, which is left unclear in the games ( In fact, In fallout 2 the Enclave's president says the Chinese did it ), what's going to be the Enclave's motive? Because canonically they are working to restore America purged of any genetic deviants from the post-war radiation and other effects.

Did they just plainly launch the nukes to get rid of China and every other geopolitical rival?

[midnight lily]

yeah imagine your sleeping and you get abducted by green ron perlman

[strange trail]

Just hope their controller doesn't die

[ocean isle]

Well yeah it you had that super mutant just waltz on in and take Coop

[tidal kraken]

That mutant, im super invested in knowing about the Faction. lol it would be so cool to see a Ghoul/Mutant alliance that's anti-factions and pro-abomination/mutant.

[wary dawn]

we don't know specifically what their agenda is but most likely yes they wanted to wipe the board or something to that effect
if not that then they'll probably tell us soon

[tidal kraken]

He said WE a lot.

[tidal kraken]

I'm still convinced China did it cause of FO4, but who knows.

[frosty basin]

It definitely felt like more of an organizational intent than just like...talking broadly about Super Mutants / Ghouls

[wary dawn]

I think we can rule out marcus assuming something very very bad didn't happen to jacobstown

[tidal kraken]

I agree, especially when he's like, "There's a war coming, and well if you won't join us - we can't let you know where we are."

[tidal kraken]

I'm of the same belief.

[cinder lintel]

It can be Marcus from Fallout 2 Broken Hills

[wary dawn]

super mutant with a code of ethics is a nice change

[cinder lintel]

It was a ghoul-mutant community

[frosty basin]

I think he said 'where we live', which really just solidifies it more

[wary dawn]

we don't get enough of those

[tidal kraken]

That is also true.

[frosty basin]

But yes, there's some interesting faction potential there that I'd love to see explored further down the road

[wary dawn]

the mutant seems to be a hardcore unity-er, I think he was trying to get coop to dip

then again idk I might've misheard something

[ocean isle]

That wouldn’t make sense. Ghouls can’t become super mutants

[tidal kraken]

It touches up on the dialogue that - either Willow, or Tulip says? The one guarding the Underworld in FO3, when she says the mutants treat her more like kin. And Fawkes ends up going there afterwards, too when you dismiss him. So I'm wondering if they're building off of that tbh.

[tidal kraken]

It sounded like he was trying to recruit him, rather.

[wary dawn]

I didn't know we had a solid answer on that, okay probably not trying to make more super mutants then

[cinder lintel]

Well they were locked in the Resource Wars beforehand and eventually even their own resources would dwindle, so depopulation + global domination could certainly be a motive, but then again they also invented cold fusion which supposedly solves it... but maybe feared the Chinese would copy/take it or something and didn't want to share with any other country because they are America First xD

[frosty basin]

He wasn't saying they become one another but that they likely have a common enemy

[ocean isle]

I mean I suppose I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure I read that they can’t

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, i think he sees more of a kinship relationship between Mutants and Ghouls.

[ocean isle]

I thought “dip” in that context was referring to being dipped in FEV

[wary dawn]

I wonder why that legion guy immediately gravitated towards a stapler

[wary dawn]

yeah that was what I was saying, which it sounds like wasn't his goal with coop

[cinder lintel]

I don't think the Unity was very partial to ghouls as their 'kin' tbh, but also the Master wasn't that obsessed with the Enclave than with turning random humans into muties

[wary dawn]

oh yeah I wonder what the enclave beef is about

[cinder lintel]

But there were a lot of mutants who sounded like that in Broken Hills, they even had a conflict with the local humans in the town and combined forces with ghouls to stop a plot against them, if anyone never played FO2 and wants to know more: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Broken_Hills

[ocean isle]

Well yeah. I mean even for humans, the Master was trying to get vault dwellers because they had the least amount of exposure to radiation and that helps to create better super mutants (I believe super mutants who were humans with a lot of radiation exposure are particularly dumb)

[dim venture]

holy moly they gave super mutants so much aura this ep

[wary dawn]

yeah that's the going lore with FEV

[midnight lily]

i saw an interview today with ron perlman about the role and he said it was a "colonel kurtz" type character. this mutant is gonna be very morally gray, leaning black, I think

[wary dawn]

I wonder if they're gonna show us that church again

[wary dawn]

that's already the sense I got about him in this episode, he had a gore bag up but saved coop

[tidal kraken]

Good, i want that for a playable Ghoul faction to join in FO5. Cause we already know FO5 is gonna have playable ghouls.

[cinder lintel]

Well the beef is obvious, the Enclave was responsible for the FEV. But The Master loved the FEV and considered it a superior upgrade so he never cared that much about the Enclave's culpability for it

[ocean isle]

Playable super mutants when

[wary dawn]

super mutants like FEV, the guy in this episode seems to be motivated by violence against mutants

[midnight lily]

idk if this mutant is linked with the master

[tidal kraken]

He also disliked the NCR, not to the same extent, but the NCR was crossed out on the wall and he chucked a huge boulder at it when talking about essentially being treated like shit.

[cinder lintel]

Not all of them do, some loathe their new form

[midnight lily]

Master lore drops would be awesome. I was a sucker for the elder's speech about Maxson a few episodes ago so that would be cool

[wary dawn]

there is one thing which seemed a bit odd to me, coop had a pretty strong reaction to seeing the super mutant's face
I'd have thought he'd already seen super mutants at some point given their history in california

[ocean isle]

I mean Unity should be long gone unless this mutant is trying to revive it somehow

[tidal kraken]

A lot of people missed the NCR bit, tbf

[wary dawn]

really? must've missed them

[midnight lily]

doesn't the NCR have better than average mutant rights?

[tidal kraken]

yes, but they also have a lot of discrimination against them.

it's a double edge sword, unfortunately.

[midnight lily]

yeah better than average lol

[wary dawn]

average is a low bar

[cinder lintel]

This was also literally the political stance of most super-mutants in Broken Hills by the way, which is why they didn't want to join the NCR

[frosty basin]

I like wasting my time, so here's the dialog from that whole SM scene:

||SM: Uranium. Bad for them…good for you.
Ghoul: Aw, fuck.
SM: There’s a war coming. And we need you healthy.
Be still. You’ll slow the healing.
They call us abominations. But they created our kind.
Ghoul: Our kind? I think you and me got bit by a different motherfukin’ bug, my friend.
SM: Ghouls. Mutants. We’re kin. And we should unite against our common enemy. They drove us to the point of extinction and forgot we ever existed. [NCR is on the wall; SM throws a rock at it] But we didn’t forget them.
The people who set all this in motion. The Enclave.
Ghoul: I’ve been wastelanding for 200 years. Whatever it is I got to do, I do it alone.
SM: uh huh. And how’s that working out for you.
Ghoul: I’ve kept myself alive for one reason. To find my family.
SM: Well then. You’re gonna need friends. But, if you won’t join our kind [reveals Super Mutant face]…then you can’t know where we live. ||

[tidal kraken]

But still, the NCR doesn't try to change it is the problem. You shouldn't need laws to have rights for mutants, is kind of the whole point.

Like take the Responders for example, they work with Mutants all the time without needing to justify it, or have laws, or rules that enable them to do so.

[cinder lintel]

I think Virgil for example misses his human days greatly

[wary dawn]

well virgil is a bit of a one-off

[midnight lily]

also dont they lose memories when turning mutant?

[wary dawn]

given the circumstances of his use of FEV and his association with the institute

[midnight lily]

theres dialogue in 3 where a mutant almost figures out they were a girl in their past life

[tidal kraken]

Yeah the NCR treats mutants like shit, ghouls slightly better - but we see in FNV they're not really open to learning more - or hearing/explaining things about ghouls.

[wary dawn]

usually yes, if your name is virgil no

[high shuttle]

There's a transcript for it
But I like the fact you made it so that's good :]

[ocean isle]

I think Virgil was apparently slowly losing his mind

[cinder lintel]

I guess it depends on how intelligent they were in life or the FEV strain and how much it dumbed them down and more like Alzheimer's than guaranteed full loss. Because Jacobstown mutants for example seem to remember their human past

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, lots of 'wes' in there, definitely giving faction vibes.

[frosty basin]

I figured there probably is, I haven't found it though

[wary dawn]

'if you won't join our kind'

[tidal kraken]

idk if the pdf file for the script is released, there's usually some details in there i kinda wanna see them

[ocean isle]

Oh yeah you do also have Lily Bowen who remembers her grandchildren though I suppose it’s possible that’s only because of the holotape

[wary dawn]

this is the most confusing bit to me

[tidal kraken]

How? I think it's pretty clear no?

[wary dawn]

usually 'kind' refers to like, a group with shared inherent attributes
'our cause/group' or 'us' would read completely differently

[high shuttle]

You can google out "fallout season 2 episode 6 transcript" there's lots of websites that have it up already

[cinder lintel]

Yeah it's definitely not a Unity follower, they wouldn't give a fig about distinguishing between the NCR or any other human faction or the Enclave or what 'rights' they are given because everyone needs to be a mutant anyway

[tidal kraken]

the official one or one people made???

[high shuttle]

People make them but you can always crossreference them
Plus some of those websites seem to dedicate themselves to doing such a thing so yeah

[tidal kraken]

I genuinely think he's just referring the the kinds of mutants/ghouls who share his views. There is an obvious seperation from him and the others, or people who don't think like him. But it also establishes that, if he won't join their cause, or group - given Coop is a ghoul, he didn't kill him also. Which was interesting.

[ocean isle]

Inb4 we get a Star Wars episode 9 style “somehow, the Master returned”

[tidal kraken]

ah, im waiting for the official one - cause the details in those are usually way more interesting.

[high shuttle]

Valid

[cinder lintel]

We will, but change 'Master' to 'Enclave'

[wary dawn]

probably, I'm probably just reading into it

[high shuttle]

Palpatine as long as I know had not a single iota of a reason to return, it was an asspull
The Enclave has had bases since before even the bombs fell all over the US so I don't see why this would be sudden

[cinder lintel]

Enclave at this point is justFallout's Team Rocket, they get completely obliterated at every single game without even being able to side with them as an alternate ending, and then pop up again somewhere else

[ocean isle]

Yeah the Master would be much more absurd

[high shuttle]

The Master however would be just out of the blue I agree

That was the direction Interplay was taking if the FOnline concept art is to be believed

[crude nacelle]

I mean, Nobody remembers fallout online? "The master lives"

[high shuttle]

Lol we thought of the same thing

[cinder lintel]

Wasn't the Oil Rig pretty much their main base of operations though, regrouping at a more limited fashion in Raven Rock, and after Raven Rock just getting scattered to the four winds which is why we get the Enclave Remnants in New Vegas?

[midnight lily]

I assume they have cells scattered across the wastes. In Lonesome Road it’s mentioned they have a post in Chicago

[cinder lintel]

So does the NCR... I would expect them to be a somewhat more numerous version of that

[crude nacelle]

I usually remember that precisely because I would not have liked the direction that interplay was going, Van Buren's plot, the canceled movie and so on sounded too bad

[cinder lintel]

But a shadow of their former glory

[tidal kraken]

i forgot Fallout online was a thing lol

[ocean isle]

When I looked up US maps of factions a multiple maps showed the Enclave somewhere in the Midwest at least

[high shuttle]

The Oil Rig and Raven Rock are big hits sure but they really haven't just run off entirely after those
Especially ED-E's whole existance points to a bigger presence in Chicago

[tidal kraken]

People keep forgetting, Oil Rig and Raven Rock are from the SAME Enclave Branch. We have known since FO3, there are branches byeond just that one iirc.

[high shuttle]

Those maps given they are fan material contain non-canon so take them with a grain of salt?

[cinder lintel]

Please no, we've already dredged up enough past villain figures

[midnight lily]

The whole lawsuit war between Bethesda and Interplay is more interesting than what that game could’ve been tbh lol

[ocean isle]

Yeah true, but I suppose they’re basing it on the knowledge of them being in Chicago

I mean they’re clearly not present in eastern Ohio given Burning Springs

[tidal kraken]

this i agree, please Bethesda, I beg, your FO76 team writes Ghouls and Mutants so well. 😭 please let the Mutant be a new faction.

[tidal kraken]

I was about to say this, and MODUS hints at there being more, so I mean. Again, Oil Rig = Raven Rock same branch/group.

[cinder lintel]

Are they actually described as 'just a branch' in the lore pages? I think they are more like the nationwide HQ's even if there are some outposts elsewhere

Which is why they house the Acting President in both cases and not just random soldeirs

[high shuttle]

Much of the problems and annoyances people have with Bethesda Fallout are also present in Interplay Fallout, when you think about it
Reused storyline concepts, retcon shenanigans
Brotherhood hyping

[tidal kraken]

It's more like a sect.
The acting president is not the High Command, though the Enclave ultimately answer to the High Command, even if a president is active. I'm not even confident that Eden knows or contacted the High Command because Eden disobeyed MODUS when he told him not to study american history to learn and become a president. lol

I think MODUS was actively trying to inform him that it wouldn't work because of other means.

[high shuttle]

Oh I actually read the Fallout movie treatise they had for it
Yeah that was gold
I can see how well that would have worked /s

[crude nacelle]

Bethesda will not bring back the master, the comment comes from a canceled interplay game trailer where apparently he would return (or at least his plan)

[haughty obsidian]

This season 2 is extremely good.

The super mutant must be Marcus to hold a grudge against the Enclave.

and also considerable intelligence and knowledge about things.

Marcus in Fallout New Vegas predicted the fall of the legion after Caesar's death.

[high shuttle]

Brother that movie didn't even feel like Fallout
I'd imagine that's what Creetosis is seeing instead of the show
Not even a power armor mention once

[wary dawn]

Nah Marcus ain't racist

[cinder lintel]

The wiki says High Command is the leadership structure of the military forces of the Enclave ( But not the political wing ) and not much else beyond that, but who knows

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Enclave_High_Command

[wary dawn]

He's probably first gen but that's all we can say about him rn

[haughty obsidian]

I don't think he hates humans, but rather the Enclave, and also Jacobstown was apparently destroyed.

[wary dawn]

Jacobstown was destroyed?!

[tidal kraken]

says who???

[haughty obsidian]

If it's Marcus, unfortunately yes.

[high shuttle]

Idk where he got that information lol

[tidal kraken]

i was about to say lol

[wary dawn]

Marcus has a previous record for leaving communities he runs

[tidal kraken]

Yeah this is what i meant earlier, they're still a mystery

[visual locust]

What nice young men helping the poor woman up I love the Enclave

[wary dawn]

Hey... Those guys look familiar

[crude nacelle]

It read like the Resident Evil movies, which have nothing to do with the games but vaguely resembled them. I'm surprised the idea of ​​Vault-Tec starting the great war was brought back

[reef briar]

I hope so

[wary dawn]

I didn't notice that the enclave uniform is the same as the pre war MP uniform until now

[small canopy]

Little early to assume the mutant is Marcus… but it would make sense

[ancient barn]

I dont think it makes sense if its Marcus

[cinder lintel]

It seems to be implied that they're just the enforcement branch though and subordinate 'within' the Enclave, even that they solely command specific squads, so I'm not exactly sure if the Presidents ever really answered to them directly, but actually, now that both seats of power are gone, if there's nothing but military goons in various installations left, I guess military commanders are what's remaining

[high shuttle]

If this is true this will be great

[small canopy]

Maybe it’s my boy Mean Sonofabitch

[ancient barn]

Marcus has always advocated for peace between humans and mutant-kind he wouldn't try and insight a war

[visual locust]

Chain of command would promote the next in line to President

[reef briar]

They should release both episodes at once 💔

[small canopy]

They should’ve released the last three at once 👀

[visual locust]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-2-gif-670157946705915571

[reef briar]

Or all 8 episodes 💔

[cinder lintel]

Yeah I have the feeling the show is about to pull a new President out of the hat for the post-war confrontation, it will make for a pretty 'WTF' moment to the viewers. The Super-Mutant/Ghoul/Maximus/Whoever suddenly meet some character who proclaims themselves the President of the United States

[wary dawn]

Does this mean it would release on Tuesday instead of Wednesday or like

[reef briar]

Hopefully

[tidal kraken]

to my knowledge, the way it's described is that they have command over the President, like the High Command was the ones who commanded the crawler, instead of Eden - which is how they deployed Sigma Squad.

When you read the official game guide, it explains the High Command's structure a bit better than the wiki.

And it implies that the type of squad we see in the crawler is also not the ONLY one. There's more throughout the Wastelands.

"After the destruction of Raven Rock, the Enclave performed a mixture of tactical retreat and all-out flight, and their grip on the Capital Wasteland loosened severely. Now contending with malcontented soldiers, the remains of Enclave Camps dotted throughout the Wasteland with little or no contact or on-going tactical orders, and a lack of new recruits, the Enclave may be a doomed force. However, a small influx of specially trained fighters is seeking to fill the gap left by the Brotherhood of Steel’s advances. Posted to previously unknown and highly secretive locations outside of the Capital Wasteland, only the most veteran of Enclave forces trained in multiple forms of combat earn the right to call themselves Sigma. These six-person squads feature a leader clad in Hellfire Armor and carrying an Incinerator, and each man in has seen numerous combat sorties and lived to tell about them. Sigma Squads are posted around locations deemed by Enclave high command as “imperative” to the salvation of the cause, so whenever you encounter Sigma Squads, you know something vital to the Enclave is close by."

from the game guide.

[cinder lintel]

Yeah I just finished reading it, this seems to double down on the fact that these High Command squads were basically shaped from the destruction of Raven Rock but weren't 'in charge' beforehand

[midnight lily]

I wish they released episodes at a normal time and not 3 AM EST. That’s a time window for insane people

[tidal kraken]

The only reason im not convinced is because we see a similar structure of squadron deployment in 76, in Appalachia. So it leads me to believe that this exists BEFORE Eden.

[potent oar]

tfw you need to get out the house at 6:30AM and usually only get home at 3:30-4:00pm

I've had to resort to watching the episodes on my phone

[cinder lintel]

It makes sense though if the high command is just the military chain of command for the Enclave forces on the ground ( But one that takes order from political decision-makers ), so they would be coordinating the squadrons straight up from the Pre-War, but after Eden and General Autumn are gone, there are only soldiers left, so the commanders of those soldiers ( sigma high command ) are trying to salvage the Enclave's cause

[tidal kraken]

Except the leader in 76 wasn't a political leader, he was a military one. While yes, crazy, and obsessed - still a leader nonetheless unless he got his orders from higher up. But it wouldn't make sense to have the exact same Squadron structure, if they're salvaging the Enclave after Raven Rock - 76 takes place directly 25 years after the bombs drop which is before the events of FO3.

[haughty obsidian]

I don't think Barb is really the villain of the series

[wary dawn]

I'm starting to wonder if there even is a grand antagonist at all

Nobody in the enclave seems to think they have a choice in the matter

[ancient barn]

Can you imagine if Overseer Alphonse saw what Reg is doing with Vault Resources there would be carnage that day

[wary dawn]

At least nobody we've seen so far

[digital nacelle]

All except whoever’s at the tippy top of Enclave High Command, perhaps.

[haughty obsidian]

Finally, Frank Horrigan will appear and they'll say that he didn't die at the end of Fallout 2, nor in the explosion of the base.

[ancient barn]

Wilzig just seemed to be the messanger

[wary dawn]

Maybe the conspiracy just goes all the way up to the zetans idk

[haughty obsidian]

Everyone already knows that if it has a good ending, NCR will stick with cold fusion.

[ancient barn]

icebox

[tidal kraken]

Actually - i misspoke, 76 actually does confirm what I said earlier. There is a president for each detachment of Enclave groups. I completely forgot Eckhart was the President for the Enclave detachment in FO76.

[digital nacelle]

Yeah, what was stopping Betty from ordering the lot of them billy-clubbed into submission?

[haughty obsidian]

NCR will come out as the heroine in the end.

[ancient barn]

Alphonse was pissed when a 10 year old had a small birthday party

[topaz marsh]

enclave?

[cinder lintel]

Well technically the Enclave does have military leaders in its ranks too, especially original members who were alive before the war, but again the official game guide is suggesting that the Enclave was shattered by the events at Raven Rock and splintered into malcontent soldiers and 'Camps' dotted throughout the Wasteland ( Not Capitol Wasteland, Wasteland pper se ) with little contact or orders, and that the whole faction is nearly a doomed force - not that there are some giant bases out there with a bunch of Enclave leaders who were the biggest leaders all along and are still overseeing everything. Only leftover military commanders who are organizing squads of trained soldiers because they lost their original chain of command

[cinder lintel]

Wait were there other Presidents for other detachments that we know of in that year, or was he just the general president at the time

[tidal kraken]

Eckhart was the Secretary and he declares himself president. At the same time while Eden is working to become President himself - or rewriting his ZAX code to due so.

I completely forgot he did that. Holy shit.

[cinder lintel]

"The survivors were horrified to learn that connections to Raven Rock and the President at Control Station ENCLAVE were lost, leaving them isolated.[7] However, it played right into Eckhart's plans, allowing him to seize the opportunity and lead the fight against communism. After gathering the survivors in the conference room, Eckhart informed them of the isolation and the death of the Secretary of the Treasury due to "radiation sickness," then announced himself as the new leader of their "little enclave," as per the line of presidential succession"

Okay so apparently, they were meant to have a unified President, but Ekcard just hijacked the title in Legion 'Two Caesars' style

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, i wonder if the Ohio branch has a president, or if the one in the show has one now, too.

I have to imagine given the length the facility has survived in S1 - it's been active since pre-war, they must have some sort of Leadership.

It would be impossible otherwise, imho. 200+ years without struggle, and unaffected by the setbacks.

[cinder lintel]

Probably, I guess even the high command which was established after the fall of Raven Rock functions as a leadership even without the title, but it does appear that the members of the Appalachian branch were also originally prepared to receive their orders from the Enclave's President rather than anyone else, but just couldn't reach them

[tidal kraken]

The interesting bit is idk if it's ever mentioned or confirmed we did anything against the High Command either, the fate was always ambiguous. I'll have to look at the FO4 enclave stuff to see.

[visual locust]

The enclave on the moon

[tidal kraken]

they hijacked the zetans mothership and flew there

[cinder lintel]

The real Enclave was the friends we made along the way

[ocean isle]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-propaganda-76-gif-1832661275352466615

[tidal kraken]

Wiki says their status on the East coast is unknown, as ambiguous. I figured. lol

[red sun]

OH BABY THE MOTHERFUCKIN SUPER MUTANTS

[tidal kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-super-mutant-fallout-new-vegas-fallout2-fallout3-gif-26631591

[cinder lintel]

I have to say the writers have definitely found an opportune time to introduce their ultimate villain as.... the government of the United States.

Wonder how many non-gamers will be thinking if they did it on purpose xD

[tidal kraken]

Very interesting.
" Scouting efforts also uncovered the Brotherhood's presence in the Commonwealth at Boston Airport, but their superior prohibited any attempts to combat them. "

[ocean isle]

Unrelated but there has to be tf2 cosmetics that makes Heavy look like Marcus

[cinder lintel]

I wonder what's the canonical fate of The Institute. Probably blown to bits. Honestly pretty sordid end for what might be a group even more technologically advanced than the Enclave

[frigid trellis]

Season 2 finale: The Enclave will return in... Avengers dooms day

[ancient barn]

So this implies that House was talking about the Enclave in the previous episode as the new player. I was kinda thinking it might've been West Tek but this fits too

[frigid trellis]

It's actually me

[cinder lintel]

First time I see someone who interpreted it this way

[ancient barn]

Which part

[tidal kraken]

WestTek is an Enclave front.

[cinder lintel]

That it was West-Tek. He also did say that it's someone he knows absolutely nothing about, and West-Tek isn't that secretive, in addition to being well monitored by House

[ancient barn]

I was wondering if it would've canonized the Tim Caine explaination of the bombs that China did it in response to America using FEV for war

[ancient barn]

West-Tek isn't secretive but the FEV research and experimentation is

[digital birch]

West Tek has like never been played up to be this big evil thing

The Enclave have known to be a shadow government that stuck around after the world's highest k/d ratio

[cinder lintel]

I guess but it wasn't really their initiative, they've been hired to do it, so House would probably be looking for the manager rather than the middle-man

[visual locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447297848369746062/1462579662696742987/image.png?ex=6972a975&is=697157f5&hm=d4d677dc1778b556d8520a6cb93f3081e55a9f24838aa9ab84dc2713fe8a8d43&

[digital birch]

Oh definitely. If Maxson lives then they are wiped

[ancient barn]

You really think that guy is 100% trustworthy and the Enclave would blame itself for destroying the world?

[visual locust]

Why would he be lying

[ancient barn]

I was thinking it because he specifically said those behind the demon in the snow

[visual locust]

This whole conversation is him explaining why he is doing what he's doing

[digital birch]

Niche fact but the Enclave are cartoon villains

[ancient barn]

yeah like presidents never lie or deflect blame

[digital birch]

They are so batshit evil its funny

[cinder lintel]

Imagine if they actually conclude it on that note - "Yeah guys it was actually the Reds, it was what every commoner probably thought when they saw the nukes all along", very anticlimatic but pretty funny, doubt they are going to do it though

[visual locust]

There is 0 reason for him to lie here especially because he's telling us his plans during this as well

[cinder lintel]

I'm pretty sure that was also an Enclave licensed project

[visual locust]

He's not lying anywhere else he straight up tells the chosen one the enclaves plans

[cinder lintel]

If they sent them to the Alaskan front, the US military is controlled by the Enclave, so only the Enclave can drop off experiments to help soldiers on the front

[digital birch]

Deathclaws, Super Mutants, Mutually Assured Destruction, all sold by the world renowned terror organization, the Enclave

[cinder lintel]

They're just misunderstood freedom fighters

[visual locust]

It makes a lot of sense to launch the nukes while being attacked on your mainland by literal demons

[digital birch]

Its been like 120 years so maybe his predecessors told lies so he thought the reds did it first

[digital birch]

Yeah fair

[red sun]

God damn this episode was so good

[visual locust]

There's multiple sources in both interplay and Bethesda that pretty much confirm China launched first

[red sun]

The first few episodes were a but slow and full of berries but it's fuckin GOING now

[visual locust]

Enclave weren't prepared when the great war started

[digital birch]

I love the Enclave for the armor and how every member is some psycho nationalist or one of the most relatable guys you've ever met

[red sun]

What the fuck is up with Wilzig???

[visual locust]

Let's start the great war but not actually be in the vault yet

[digital birch]

"Who the- wha- how- I should kick your fucking ass who is this"

[digital birch]

Damn he is making a point

I still feel like it is going to be the Enclave after all

That's why they had the oil rig instead. Get back quicker

[tidal kraken]

he treats you differently with low int, doesn't he lol

[digital birch]

They all do

[red sun]

There's multiple levels of the enclave. The important people were already in safe locations. The disposable assets were intentionally purged one way or another.

[tidal kraken]

still funny af

[digital birch]

Its so funny

"You no have pass. You come in you get hurt. You have pass. You come in. Got it?"

[digital birch]

Head honchos were in vaults while the military gurus got their oil rig

[cinder lintel]

Enclaves within Enclaves within Enclaves, it's Enclave all the way down.

[digital nacelle]

Which then begs the question if we’ll ever manage to be rid of the Enclave.

[digital birch]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-watching-fallout-america-gif-9146242281505060525

[digital nacelle]

I swear, we’ll still be fighting them in Fallout 10.

[cinder lintel]

Yo dawg, we heard you like shadow governments, so we put a shadow government in your shadow government..

[mortal sequoia]

Because war, war never changes

[digital birch]

Like 90% have been killed off

You can see a noticeable drop in power every game

[red sun]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Enclave pursued clone tech to manufacture an army of patriots somewhere

[cinder lintel]

At least they're gonna have 50 times the detail

[digital birch]

Oil rig and multiple bases to air force base to broken office building

[cinder lintel]

That's just Gary

[tidal kraken]

stealing institute tech.

[red sun]

Ha ha, Gary!

Gaaaaaaary

[cinder lintel]

Gary?

[mortal sequoia]

But seriously I think we need an original and new antagonist group in the future. Even bringing something out from America seems kinda interesting

[visual locust]

Todd already said Fallout is staying in the US

[cinder lintel]

Chinese Invasion 2: Electric Boogalo

[visual locust]

Not to mention it's unlikely any other nations would have survived any better

[red sun]

I'd still like to see a faction that's the pioneer forces in China when the bombs dropped, returning home after 300 years to reconquer their homeland.

[tidal kraken]

The mutant is probably a new faction overall, hopefully in season 3 we get the Shi, too.

[digital birch]

The Enclave are all but gone now, Institute was sent to Narnia, we already had super mutants, the show did vault tech, idk Legion type faction in the Grand Canyon?

[cinder lintel]

Easter Island?

[visual locust]

I bet you they nuked that for the fun of it

[red sun]

Does anyone have a good picture of the mutant's face? At a glance it looked a lot more like the master's mutants than the east coast orcs.

[digital birch]

There is a map of the world, forgot where I saw it, China to this day is just a glowing yellow wasteland

[worn lagoon]

Max: "Fuck."
Coop: "Fuck."
Thaddeus: "Hey! "

[cinder lintel]

It's Ron Perlman

[digital birch]

Different parents thats why. East Coast dudes I think can reproduce and were created from a myriad of sources

[visual locust]

Guess we can guess why vault tech (enclave) was willing to trade cold fusion

[cinder lintel]

A glowing YELLOW wasteland, you say..

[mortal sequoia]

Tbh, I liked the idea of a rogue AI becoming the main antagonist like in FO Tactics. Not very original but it could be made to be a new antagonist with a new lore.

[digital birch]

No I mean the map looked like the bombs just went off, 200 years later

[visual locust]

The second wave just to be sure

[digital birch]

It looked like a flashbang

[digital nacelle]

Though honestly, maybe it’d be a good idea to slowly wean off of pre-War shit causing half the bad guys in the Wasteland.

[digital birch]

General Zao was probably the last living Chinese person ever

[cinder lintel]

The main antagonist in every game are always the radroaches

[visual locust]

Giant mice

[tidal kraken]

yeah - @plucky zealot pointed this out like the first time we saw the mind control device and it's stuck with me the entire season.

[digital nacelle]

And for crying out loud, can we tone down the amount of pre-War people running about post-War?

[cinder lintel]

Liberty Prime approved

[tidal kraken]

RUNNING? they're dead af lol

[cinder lintel]

No apparently Vault 111's experiment is now a staple pre-war export

[digital birch]

Probably was meant to be the test run

[tranquil orbit]

fallout 2 has a chinese city

[digital birch]

The more you know I guess

[tranquil orbit]

the food there must be elite

if i was in fallout im moving to sanfran

[cinder lintel]

Yeah but it was being tested with potentially dangerous, unpredictable long-term effects even years after the bombs dropped, while still being sold as a pristine safe product to corporates before the bombs..

[cinder lintel]

It's some good SHIt

[digital birch]

Im going to grab a fortune cookie that tells me im dying of prostate cancer caused from excess radiation poisoning

[visual locust]

Talking deathclaws

[cinder lintel]

That's Goris

[digital birch]

I bring this and the aliens from 3 whenever I hear people complain when something cartoonish happens in fallout

[cinder lintel]

Earlier Fallouts had time travel and ghosts too

[tranquil orbit]

i deadass thought the hooded mutant was gonna be a talking deathclaw

[digital birch]

One word, capitalism. Say its better than it is and you got some premium money rolling in

[cinder lintel]

And by time travel I don't mean a time machine, I mean Star Trek precursor alien/supernatural time travel

[tranquil orbit]

i encountered aliens 5 mins into fallout 2

[cinder lintel]

Did you encounter the Guardian of Forever though

[tranquil orbit]

i never finished the game

[cinder lintel]

Feel free to look it up in the context of fallout 2 for a good laugh

[visual locust]

People be like that's not canon to things directly mentioned in the following game

[crude nacelle]

You've already been told about the Shi in Fallout 2, but in Fallout 3 there are multiple hostile (not ferals) Chinese soldiers all over the map

[cinder lintel]

I'm still waiting for us to meet Atom believers in the show ( I am one myself )

[visual locust]

Not after my playthrough

[coarse ivy]

Episode slaps

[visual locust]

I thought episode 5 was better

[coarse ivy]

Only issue I had with this one is that it was too short, so much good stuff un resolved

[cinder lintel]

I've watched some reactions on youtube of people who never played the games and the confusion/thoughts they have every time The Enclave is mentioned always crack me up to watch

[cinder lintel]

The best part of this one was when I saw the approaching growling silhouette for The Ghoul, and thought "Is Hank ( Who apparently utilizes the Deathclaws to guard the compound somehow ) mind-controlling them to retrieve The Ghoul now or something, or it's just going to fling the pole and free him in the process or something", then I saw what it really is and though "No way they did it already."

[velvet quail]

I think next episode is gonna be more of the same. Last ep will be good but will mostly be a cliffhanger for Season 3. Which I hate cause I just want a conclusion but I'm happy we're even getting a Season 3. This ep was mostly just setting up stuff for the future. Like it's cool we got to see a super mutant but I doubt we'll see him again this season. That feels like a Season 3 plotline

[digital nacelle]

Like some kind of New Unity causing problems?

[worldly rune]

hearing norm say "dad what's going to happen to our vault?" following his discovery of F.E.V., as well as today's introduction to supermutants, i firmly believe that the residents of vault 32/33 will be turned into supermutants. i think hank's "keepsake" will be a crucial factor, as well as the "wedding" between chet and steph being a potential FEV intro moment. best other evidence? i think bud's specific use of the phrase, "Super Managers," as well as the second phase of Vault 31/32/33 being a play on FEV (Future Enterprise Ventures).

thoughts on this theory i just saw on reddit, i quite like it

[worldly rune]

incomparable imo, last episode had the perfect opportunity to setup a direct parallel for coop, hard to recreate that

[coarse ivy]

the in-breeding guy liked being a champion of the people, what if Betty uses this against them and sends him out to find a water chip fallout 1 style and he can’t refuse because he’s addicted to being a “hero” now. Would be funny @rapid patrol

[worldly rune]

i keep seeing people say that, but it was similar length to all other eps?

[red sun]

Yeah I think we're heading that way.

[coarse ivy]

I know it’s length was just as long but there was a bit of almost every plot line so none got very far

[worldly rune]

thank god we have 2 full eps that are likely 1hr+ to close up those plotlines 🙂

idk if runtimes are out im just guessing

[coarse ivy]

I loved the episode but the pacing would be better if they focused on one less and gave us a bit more of the others

[velvet quail]

You just jinx it they're both 30 minutes with 15 minute credits

[worldly rune]

the credits have insane lore implications so im down tbf

[coarse ivy]

@visual locust

[velvet quail]

As long as they don't dont disney where they give 20 minutes of content and 15 minutes of credits to pad out the run time

[worldly rune]

im interested in all the plotlines, its hard to pick and choose tbf. i kind of see it like in-game, we're just going from quest to quest, slowly advancing each line

[red sun]

32 is clearly in decline and desperate for help. Steph is fucking crazy (respectfully). The sudden wedding seems like a good reason to gather everyone up and force them to ingest FEV contaminated food. Muties from 33 are going to rampage through 32 and smash that jello mold cake. Norm will return and open the vault door to unleash the super mutant manager army into the wasteland.

[worldly rune]

i actually also like the idea that 33 doesn't get infected due to the water crisis

[coarse ivy]

I love all the plot lines, I just feel antsy having like 4 plot hangers at one time

[rapid patrol]

that be funny

[red sun]

Yeah they might survive somehow, with just Steph's vault going mutant.

I don't know how Chet and Chet Jr are going to make it out though

[coarse ivy]

Give him an armored jumpsuit and everything, just to walk right into norm who’s bringing a chip from hq

[rapid patrol]

i could def see that possible too

[coarse ivy]

That’s fire

[rapid patrol]

it would explain why Steph starts running in on clip probably turned Chet into a Mutant

Or somebody

[red sun]

Tbh I kind want to see the super mutants all being dumb as fuck vault dwellers who don't know their left from their right.

[rapid patrol]

it would also explain why the Enclave would show up to wipe out Vault 32 or 33 if they ever needed a reason

[red sun]

Like dwellers make perfect mutants, but they're still absolute morons

[quasi jackal]

Boneyard mention should disprove the shady sands replacing it theories now at least

[rapid patrol]

The Enclave maybe want their hands on a fresh strain of FEV but who knows

[coarse ivy]

What if the mutant who saves cooper is one of the vault 13 residents that the enclave took to experiment on?

[red sun]

Tbh the Enclave just kills vaults for fun

[rapid patrol]

Well evidently Shady Sands isnt in LA if people actually lived in California. Shady Sands is more in the LA district

The Boneyard is LA as a city

[red sun]

LA is fucking huge

[quasi jackal]

I like that he said the shitty side of the Boneyard

[red sun]

The Boneyard is downtown

[rapid patrol]

as someone who lives in Southern California its easy to fix the mistake why shady sands is located diff

[rapid patrol]

Wondering if hes talking about New Adytum

The other side of the Boneyard controlled by the Regulators

[quasi jackal]

I figured he meant the side with deathclaws but idk

Could also be the place the FOTA were in

[rapid patrol]

if i remember the followers werent on good terms with the NCR and left to vegas

They imo should have more prescense in freeside

[coarse ivy]

The followers still ran a university in the boneyard as of new Vegas and operate across the NCR

They just split from the government and are more private citizens now when they had been fairly incorporated before

[half hamlet]

So is that Marcus ?

[coarse ivy]

No

Why would it be Marcus?

[half hamlet]

Why woudnt be ?

[coarse ivy]

Looks nothing like him and doesn’t act like him at all

[frosty basin]

as of now it's a new unnamed mutant, very likely a new character. If it were an existing named mutant they would have just specified that.

[coarse ivy]

Also he is voiced by a fairly recognizable actor they would have used if it was him

Marcus also isn’t the type to have gore bags

[digital nacelle]

Dude also acts very un-Marcuslike.

[half hamlet]

Sounds like him, been 15 years, things change.
We both dont know so yeah, I cant confirm or deny its Marcus

[coarse ivy]

Sounds nothing like him

Beside deep voice, which is every super

[coarse ivy]

Also if nobody could confirm why did you ask for confirmation

[rapid patrol]

Marcus has boils on his face. He wears goggles and a headset. He also wears car pieces for armor

[coarse ivy]

And is jovial even after living a shitty life

He doesn’t hate non mutants

[rapid patrol]

He also isnt weirdly creepy and ominous

[coarse ivy]

Or have giant bags of flesh in his house

And wouldn’t blame the enclave for his creation

He believes in mutant superiority and believes the master was mis guided but right

[rapid patrol]

My guess is this super mutant was made by the Enclave

Marcus knows his creator was the master and believed in his plan

he also accepted the flaws

[frosty basin]

Fallout fans when anything exists:
is this new random character who has zero traits in common besides broad type actually an existing named character?

[rapid patrol]

its clear this super mutant probably watched his fellow comrades taken by the enclave. We seen them moved in trays in season 1

The Enclave was probably working on a new Frank Horrigan

[coarse ivy]

They have been using fev on people since 2, he could be even from vault 13

Since they used them for experiments

Being an intelligent super means it’s a decent likely hood he was a vault dweller

[rapid patrol]

Episode 8 i do think the Legate will do a march to the strip

[visual locust]

Legate Kevinus

[crude nacelle]

I genuinely don’t know how they’re going to handle the last two episodes. Either the next one is just buildup for the fight against the Deathclaws (which would be pretty boring), or the next one IS the Deathclaw fight but then episode 8 ends up really detached from the main plot

[digital nacelle]

Finale could be a mixture of meeting House and, say, the Enclave showing up to sack New Vegas.

[crude nacelle]

I really don't think the enclave will make such a strong appearance, I don't think they will leave Chicago to go to the mojave

[twilit vault]

They proceed to leave american and live in space

its obviously
i did the math and that is the most likely outcome

[digital nacelle]

I mean, they’re eventually going to want to reclaim their cold fusion technology; leaving it in the hands of, say, House would be way too much of a risk.

[coarse ivy]

Nah the fight with deathclaws will all happen in 7

The teasers showed Maximus charges and a dead one on the ground

They don’t show anything in those that happens later

[crude nacelle]

But then what happens in 8

[coarse ivy]

Enclave/house pre and post war with legion marching

[digital nacelle]

Perhaps the Legion storms that management Vault? If anyone deserves to get put on a cross, it’s Hank.

[twilit vault]

I disagree

What have i done

i come back and i see 3 minutes of NioloStrent typing

[digital nacelle]

I wasn’t.

[velvet quail]

I'm the real NioloStrent

[blissful temple]

Its like every episode somehow goes out of their way to be worse than the last

[worldly rune]

i really like the idea of supermutant vault v human vault

[tranquil orbit]

i thought ep 5 was peak

6 was a little jarring ngl, maximus was just sitting in that desert for like 2 whole episodes lol

[blissful temple]

Its like no one has long term memory

Lucy has learned the same lesson like 5 times

[twilit vault]

Which is?

She clearly learned something
When she saw legion soldier, her first action was to prepare for defense

[tranquil orbit]

if lucy freed those control chip people it wouldve caused more damage once they exit the vault

but its a complex dilemma that one

[twilit vault]

She is in a unique situation i will say that

On one hand
Hank is insane for waht he is doing
On the other hand, we also know how crazy the wasteland it is and hank work is clearly giving results
The question really boils down into
Are you sacrificing human freedom for order?

[blissful temple]

Its lame

[digital nacelle]

I find Lucy kinda annoying, like how many times is she gonna act like a moron before any lesson she learns sticks?

[twilit vault]

Yes

but there are some lessons being sticked
Its just taking way too long and causes her to make too many mistakes

[tranquil orbit]

ultimately its not hanks decision either right since hes following the enclaves orders? or whoever hes talking to

[blissful temple]

Its very Bethesda coded to go from focusing on like faction conflicts and characters back to a "big bad sci fi" plot like recycling the enclave deathclaw mind control shit from fallout 3

[digital nacelle]

Though it’s still unclear whether whoever Hank was yapping to on the radio was even still around to receive that transmission.

[twilit vault]

nah turns out
it was not enclave
it was hank reporting to idk his wife lets say

[tranquil orbit]

hank reporting to fisto

[twilit vault]

Nah
He reproting to.... that one toaster in old world blues

SOON THE WORLD WILL BURN IN FLAMES! AGAIN!

[blissful temple]

Its just going to be the enclave

[minor torrent]

Lowkey I can see Nolan’s touch in the series. The brothers always had some sort of complicated story building

Johnathan always helped Christopher with his movies like tenet memento etc

[blissful temple]

I dont think its that complicated at all

They are recycling the mind control deathclaw plot line and Hanks going to be revealed to be reporting to the Enclave in a new base at the end of the season

I guarantee it

[lapis knot]

Now I think about it that’s a complete outlier as far as fallout goes, radiation doesn’t get less severe anywhere else

[tidal kraken]

Zion is the only other place, according to Randal's dialogue.

His journals I mean.

[lapis knot]

It’s possibly the only two realistically depicted places. Irl radiation would be completely gone and below banana levels within a year

[tidal kraken]

I wonder what the difference in radiation levels the nukes would be compared to impact nukes and air burst ones. I wonder if that effects it at all.

[lapis knot]

It’s implied that nukes are a bit more radiative deliberately , but not by much

Of course we are talking literal magic here, because having it be as radioactive as we see it. STILL, 200 years later, is completely impossible for a regular bomb and only really possible for any length of time for a dirty bomb. But a dirty bomb has next to no destructive power. It’s all about the enviromental damage

We wouldn’t see crators that are 400x larger than tsar bomba from super radioactive nukes

The nuke arsenal of both China and the us seem to be wildly varying. With nukes from 10 megatons, well below what we have today , to potentially 10s of thousands of megatons

[stray basin]

god lucy dad sounds arrogant

[velvet quail]

He's so far up himself he can't see what he's doing is wrong

But the funny thing is you can kinda understand his thinking. It's just that dumb control vs freedom arguement

[tidal mica]

This might be the best thing so far

[velvet quail]

I honestly think Houses portrayal is so good. It's one of the best things they've done.

[tidal mica]

I swear, i see alot of people being mad about him being such a goof but i think it's actually a good portrayal of showing that the guy is actually insane

[twilit vault]

House is just amazing written

You can tell house is both a genius and insane

[stray basin]

most geniuses are insane

[velvet quail]

Guess that's why they call me the joker

[tranquil orbit]

the only normal genius in fallout is the courier

[stray basin]

reg deserves a bullet

[velvet quail]

If I was in Fallout I'd be the smartest tbh

I've already dreamed about it

[digital nacelle]

Or at least a billy-clubbing by Security.

[stray basin]

hes gaining too much power with the inbreeders

[tranquil orbit]

can you repair fisto?

[stray basin]

he needs to be killed before the power struggle becomes a thing

[velvet quail]

Before level 5 even

[stray basin]

swear people in the vault 32 33 are going nutty

[velvet quail]

They forsure gonna become mutants

[tranquil orbit]

enclave needs to deal with vault 31-33 asap

give them the fallout 2 intro

[velvet quail]

I wouldn't let that happen

[tranquil orbit]

id let it happen tbh

[stray basin]

I like the super mutant cgi

[tidal mica]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[velvet quail]

I wouldn't let you let it happen

[tranquil orbit]

i think its makeup