EPISODE 6

[lethal nacelle]

💤

[atomic dirge]

Why was cold fusion in hanks neck was there like a vile or something or was it in dudes neck

[tidal mica]

Me after my 12hour shift

[distant jay]

Sadly we've gotten no world-state lore this episode, no more evidence of what happened to the Mojave after New Vegas. Kinda disappointed on that front.

[wicked nimbus]

They put it there for safe keeping

Wizlig did it too

[atomic dirge]

Btw hanks actor is my new favorite

[distant jay]

Like Siggi Wilzig put it in his own neck.

[atomic dirge]

You beat me to the punch

[distant jay]

Also, was Emerson playing an ancestor of Siggi Wilzig, or was he playing Siggi Wilzig?

[atomic dirge]

Ron Perlman doing Ron Perlman things

[wicked nimbus]

That looks so much like Marcus

[jaunty summit]

Smh that he's known as "Hanks Actor" Kyle Maclachlan is an icon

[distant jay]

I don't think it is though. Marcus wouldn't act like this mutant.

[atomic dirge]

I never watched twin peaks or dune so I can’t remember his name

[jaunty summit]

Twin Peaks is amazing, again while waiting for Season 3 go watch it 😄

[distant jay]

Neither have I, but I can remember it.

[atomic dirge]

Well I can’t

[jaunty summit]

Twin Peaks and Person Of Interest both have Fallout actors in them, and are both really good

[atomic dirge]

Maybe maybe…

[distant jay]

I also have no intention of watching Twin Peaks or Dune.

[minor torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hateful-eight-samuel-l-jackson-guns-gif-14023053

Ghoul’s ancestor

[strange trail]

Cooper Howard in one of his westerns I see

[jaunty summit]

Walton Goggins I've never actually seen him in anything before, but knowing he's in the Hateful 8 makes sense

[atomic dirge]

He is one scared mf

[minor torrent]

Same

[distant jay]

I'd seen him in Fatman, but that was it.

[minor torrent]

Now we need Samuel Jaxon playing someone in the enclave

[strange trail]

FR

[jaunty summit]

Tired of these mother fuckin' ghouls in my mother fuckin' air base

[strange trail]

Ironic name, now we need to see a fatman in the show

[distant jay]

The fat man in question was Santa.

[strange trail]

Where the fuck is your goddamn uniform private?!

[distant jay]

Honestly, I don't see Samuel L. Jackson being a good fit for this show.

[jaunty summit]

Oh no just making a Joke

[minor torrent]

He was mostly playing episodic roles for his whole career

So fallout fits him the best as a matter of cast choice

[jaunty summit]

I could see him as a raider boss, that would give him more range for his comedic delivery

[distant jay]

He really made a name for himself as Boyd Crowder in Justified.

[jaunty summit]

I'm glad he got cast he kills it as the Ghoul

[minor torrent]

He IS the ghoul

[jaunty summit]

Like Mike off Breaking Bad, I could watch a whole series of just him surviving post war

[distant jay]

First role I've seen Goggins play where he's actually a protagonist and not an antagonist.

[minor torrent]

The ghoul - Ryan Gosling
Lucy - Ryan Gosling
Maximus - Ryan Gosling
The dogmeat - Ryan Gosling
Liberty Prime - Ryan gosling
Caesar - Ryan gosling

[strange trail]

That's literally me

[minor torrent]

Todd Howard - Ryan Gosling

[wicked nimbus]

I’m suprised there isn’t more chat

[silk cape]

Ryan gosling is ryan gosling

[grizzled wraith]

What was this episode 🥀

Filler ahh episode

[atomic dirge]

I like how this episode sets up big things for the future

[silk cape]

Dogmeat i am sure is trolling the ghoul

[grizzled wraith]

Yh that’s the only good thing lol, this was truly a filler episode, Lucy only had about 5 min screen time maybe

[atomic dirge]

This episode was boring I won’t lie but to call it filler is insane

[silk cape]

Something i don’t get is steph really so apethetic to her kid

[grizzled wraith]

Makes sense, but Yh was boring

[atomic dirge]

She does not give a single fuck

[silk cape]

So why bother going through the charade, i presume the vaults have some form protection etc

[wide helm]

Hope you guys like it, I fell asleep while waiting to watch it last night 😭

[atomic dirge]

Tbh Steph is just like me

[strange trail]

Fr?

[atomic dirge]

I fucking HATE my son

[lethal nacelle]

Kill your son

[atomic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-john-lennon-kill-john-lennon-catcher-in-the-rye-butters-gif-24540888

[strange trail]

So you're Canadian? But you're supposed to be nate the rake

[atomic dirge]

No just the neglecting their child part.

[strange trail]

Phew

[atomic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/vaporize-fallout-critical-energy-weapon-gif-9272184112815648083

[lethal nacelle]

Fallout 5 gabagool when

[strange trail]

God I loved the og fallout death animations they're so fucking metal

[silk cape]

Ah vault tec miracle tech at a cost

[strange trail]

It'd be cool if we got a vaporisation in the show, it'd be expensive but

Max had a laser pistol

[silk cape]

Need to actually see an energy weapon fire

[lethal nacelle]

It'd be cool if The Ghoul had Bloody Mess perk and every mfs he killed just explode

[strange trail]

Speaking of metal, dya think metal would fit in fallout? I reckon they could get away with it

[lethal nacelle]

like Django Unchained

like, metal songs?

[strange trail]

Yuh

[lethal nacelle]

I don't really think so since the world is basically stuck in 50s

[strange trail]

But there are elements of culture from the 20s up to 2000s that have remained, like the song I mentioned the other day

[silk cape]

Wilzig do you think he defected because of what the enclave has devolved into now knowing he is pre war

[lethal nacelle]

Rock songs would fit the fallout world

I just don't really think Metal would work

ever heard of Surf Rock

[strange trail]

Man I'd kill for some AC/DC in fallout it'd be so goddamn sick

[lethal nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9alKoLrgEc&list=PLjppdWymG1Jh8LoN_yNNZ2bAh-ijRiwN8

honestly, Fallout is all about that "World of Tomorrow" vibe from the 1940s and 50s.
Anything that breaks that retro-futuristic, "everything is fine while the world burns" aesthetic feels totally wrong.

Modern Hyperpop, EDM, Mumble Rap, Trap, Over Produced Modern Pop or 80s Hair Metal and Synth Wave

Funny enough, in Fallout 2, there are actually references to AC/DC existing

[strange trail]

Exactly I need that shit

[velvet quail]

Wait that might actually be Marcus

[strange trail]

That's fair

[reef briar]

That super mutant was way too intelligent

[lethal nacelle]

I guess In the Fallout timeline, people just stayed obsessed with Frank Sinatra and The Ink Spots forever

[strange trail]

Mutant on mentats? 💥 👄 👁️

[reef briar]

Mayhaps

[strange trail]

DR MOBIUS reference??!!

[jade dune]

he's the supermutant right?? thats what i thought

maybe not but the supermutant knew Cooper

[wide helm]

"Shithole side of the Boneyard"
holy shit, thaddeus representing Adytum?

[lethal nacelle]

maybe the territory held by the Blades?

[wide helm]

Let's be honest, any Boneyard neighborhood's requirement to be a shithole is "be in the boneyard"

it's still los angeles after all

[lethal nacelle]

yeah

wait why is she in the middle of the strip

with that fit

[tidal kraken]

My only complaint this episode was there was a lot of jumping around. lol Felt a little bit like filler but, still was alright.

[lethal nacelle]

80% filler

[tidal kraken]

So much for the Super mutant being NCR eh? He seemed to dislike the NCR, but had more disdain for The Enclave.

[jaunty summit]

https://youtu.be/DCEewyIE_0c

[wide helm]

was that mutie ron perlman...

[tidal kraken]

Also Thaddeus being from Boneyard was a nice touch, does give me some sort of inkling that it's still around.

[jaunty summit]

Tldr the evolution of fallout music is Ska

[tidal kraken]

Yeah it was, people are speculating it's Charlie Whiteknife but aside from Charlie disliking the government, that's the only similarity.

At the very least Ron did the voice.

[spark lava]

weird episode today

[tidal kraken]

Felt like filler mostly, but i mean makes sense, they had to explain in someway how the characters met up.

[spark lava]

Kinda odd how the super mutie saying "where we live" but they aint in Jacobstown

[jaunty summit]

It didn't feel to me that Jacobstown was particularly stable

Even if we helped them out

[spark lava]

and also looks like they designed their own Super mutie, didnt really go with classic, 3NV, nor 4

[wide helm]

I noticed the symbolism of him living in a church immediately, though. Very Cathedral reminiscent

[spark lava]

ngl i was kinda expectin Marcus

[tidal kraken]

He's part of a faction that's anti-ncr anti-enclave is my guess.

[safe jackal]

enclave mentions, shoot it into my veins

[spark lava]

cus ya know he'd be the one to help people

[twilit vault]

I have finished

[tidal kraken]

Yeah but their personalities are different, so it's def not Marcus - I'm thinking a new Mutant/Ghoul faction tbh.

[twilit vault]

What the fuck did i watch?
I am beyond confused

[tidal kraken]

A filler episode, for sure.

I'm about to rewatch it to catch more details.

[spark lava]

Yeah but i wanted to see Marcu tho : (

[twilit vault]

Not even filler
It advance the plot yet is so utterly so confusing that i cant even grasp on what i just watch

[spark lava]

I think it focused more on pre-war

[small canopy]

“So we get to choose who runs out of water”
…
YOU SON OF A BITCH

YOU SET ME UP

[spark lava]

they did that to 13 bruh

[tidal kraken]

I mean I understood it, the only thing that was weird to me this episode was Lucy mentioning the Shady Sands stuff, but not a single nod to her mother? idk

[twilit vault]

It really was a pre-war episode

[small canopy]

THEY SET ME UP FROM THE START

[high shuttle]

Season 2 starting scenes be like

EPISODE 1:
House showcases the moral concept of the shades of grey
EPISODE 2:
Hank is an actual war criminal for singlehandedly causing a genocide and if you don't believe that here's proof
EPISODE 3:
Thaddeus really has a natural skill for managing because child labor has never been this wholesome :]
EPISODE 4:
Alaska was frozen shitshow of a Vietnam. That fact is also worsened by the first fieldings of T45 PA lol
EPISODE 5:
Oh hey! Three big chickens straight from Quarry Junction want to hit it big!
EPISODE 6:
Multiple suits try to sell vault-experiment (read torture) devices to Barbara while she's eating something I cannot figure out for the life of me

[spark lava]

its odd

[jaunty summit]

It wasn't that baffling

[spark lava]

why.. make 33 run out of water?

Thats the BIG question, why make 33 run out of water?

[twilit vault]

Especially since vault 32 clearly has water

[high shuttle]

I actually don't think that was by design, actually

[twilit vault]

like wth is steph is doing?

[jaunty summit]

We saw how Coop got rescued, what Hank is doing with Lucy, Coops confrontation with Barb, Lucy confronting Hank, Thaddeus and Max discussing cold fusion, issues with the Vault coming to ahead

[jaunty summit]

Yeah I think this is just to drive conflict

[twilit vault]

It really is a pre-war episode
There was far higher pre-war stuff than wasteland stuff

[jaunty summit]

I kinda thought the Water Chip statement was a joke about how they're always failing

Everything in the fallout universe is both "high tech" and made cheap

[twilit vault]

Well atleast it aint the good old fallout 1 scenorio

[tidal kraken]

She's unhinged.

[spark lava]

Yeah but they knew which ones were going to fail

So theyd know 33 would fail and its not like the raiders broke iot

[small canopy]

Bastard!!

[jaunty summit]

30% fail rate doesn't mean they know for sure the 70% will last

[tidal kraken]

I don't think it was done on purpose, maybe by mistake?

[spark lava]

Maybe? but to me i dont assume its by mistake

[wide helm]

Maybe Hank has a point. Mind control to get these idiots to stop killing each other might actually be smart. I'm willing to hear him out.

[small canopy]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!

[jaunty summit]

Exactly

[twilit vault]

Im actually was like
Hank make sense
His method is just insane

But it techinally gives results so... i guess it works?

[jaunty summit]

Do you value order at the cost of human freedom

[spark lava]

I haf a theory. What if like Barb and Coop orchestrated to try and sabotage vault tec and the enclave, making their divorce public as a sort of cover for Barb

[tidal kraken]

We dunno yet.

[minor torrent]

They just took all vaults with number 3 in it

[jaunty summit]

Thats Hanks world

[tidal kraken]

This is my line of thinking.

[jaunty summit]

He'd rather it be ordered and "clean" it's a fantasy, a simulation

[tidal kraken]

Wilzig being pre-war is fucking insane btw. Not what I expected.

[spark lava]

This is just Law v Chaos in Shin Megami Tensei

[jaunty summit]

He would take what it means to be human, and pervert it

[potent oar]

Considering Moldaver it isn't that surprising

[jaunty summit]

I've never seen that

[tidal kraken]

Also i was correct in the fact that the Enclave threatened Barb to keep her in line.

[twilit vault]

EXACTLY
This man is PRE-WAR?!?!

This episode doesnt even fit filler
Its just confusing

[jaunty summit]

Is it?

[tidal kraken]

What's confusing, explain. Lol

[jaunty summit]

What's specifically confusing?

[safe jackal]

it isnt really a filler ep, more just buildup

[plucky zealot]

Seems too angry and vengeful to be Marcus imo

[twilit vault]

Wilzig is pre-war so somehow he is alive after 200 years
The unity looks like its back
Somehow idk
Its one of those things where its not confusing, its more like you have so many questions that it becomes confusing

[tidal kraken]

It was an episode to link things back together.

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, it's not Marcus, im thinking Bethesda actually got ballsy and created a new faction.

A Ghoul/Mutant army is actually cool af.

[twilit vault]

Nah it turns out its unity
Again

[spark lava]

Man the enclave just WONT die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxJ016xb4Q

[jaunty summit]

Wizlig was clearly frozen and has prewar technical knowledge like Moldaver

Unity isn't back, just symbolism of a supermutant within a Church

[wide helm]

I wouldn't be surprised if he is a Unity remnant.

[twilit vault]

To be fair
Its the rememnants of the old government
There is going to be a lot of them accross the wasteland
Its the GREAT KHANS that cannot die

[tidal kraken]

Cryofreezing. It seems to be the Norm now for characters involved with Vault Tec or the Enclave. So it's something to expect going forward.
I don't think it's Unity? I don't believe Unity viewed the ghouls as kin, this is something that's touched on in Fallout 3 actually with the Underworld.

[twilit vault]

Idk
But the religous stuff and the church
Hmm
Sounds like the unity to me

[jaunty summit]

It's a callback

[tidal kraken]

It's just a hiding place?

[twilit vault]

I know but still

[tidal kraken]

It's not that deep, at least to me - it's a callback to the church outside Vegas.

[wide helm]

I'm not thinking he's heralding the return of the Unity as an entire faction, but I can see him being a former member of the Master's army.

[twilit vault]

There is church in new vegas?

[tidal kraken]

yes, it's destroyed

[twilit vault]

That probably the right word for it

[empty marten]

When did the bos find out

[tidal kraken]

They are the ones that contacted Quintus for the bounty.

[empty marten]

The bos contacted their elder for a bounty?

[potent oar]

Also the fact the bumfuck bounty hunters who dug up Cooper knew Wilzig was Enclave is telling

[tidal kraken]

Yes, he says this.

[empty marten]

Um where

[tidal kraken]

Literally in his speech bro. lol

[empty marten]

Sorry I just doesn’t remember this in season 1

[tidal kraken]

"The Order comes from the highest clerics of the commonwealth."

And we're shown them using communication tech and radios in the first episode to decipher the message.

[small canopy]

Oh damn

[potent oar]

And as I said, Wilzig being Enclave was fairly common knowledge considering what the guys who dug up Cooper said

[tidal kraken]

It's like right after the Knights from the Commonwealth arrive.

[small canopy]

Hank has been busy I see

[empty marten]

They were from the commonwealth?

[tidal kraken]

yes, the prydwen dropped them off, and then left.

[rapid kayak]

Y’all reckon cooper still has the uranium in him?

[tidal kraken]

i imagine that shit burns like hell, but yeah, probably until he cuts it out or something.

[rapid kayak]

Bit far fetched but it’d be cool to see him slowly turn into a glowing one by leaving it in

[potent oar]

Dannit was about to say that

[rapid kayak]

Lol

[tidal kraken]

I don't think it's Unity, genuinely. Not only did the interior of the hideout look makeshift to all fuck, but it would be silly I think. I think a new faction building off of the idea from FO3 that the Mutants viewed the ghouls as kin would be actively more interesting.

[minor torrent]

Johnathan fallouton

[jaunty summit]

Yeah Knight Titus was a Commonwealth Knight, not a Knights of San Marino one

[half vine]

the cold fusion was stored INSIDE hank? wtf

[jade dune]

i wondered if it meant he doesn't need the vials anymore

[tidal kraken]

In his head, like wilzig in season 1.

[jade dune]

Hank's been playing Fallout Shelter

[minor torrent]

Just a precaution

[tidal kraken]

Nah, i genuinely think it was to heal him, i think if anything the mutant probably gave him one to keep him from turning - then took him to the NCR

[jade dune]

yeah probs, and the supermutant mentioned becoming one of them

those Vault dwellers are COOKED

the one who choked out Norm is defo becoming a supermutant

super managers = supermutants

[tidal kraken]

No he didn't mention being an NCR tbh. You saw him throw the rock at the NCR stuff on the wall

I think this mutant is part of a new faction.

[jade dune]

no i mean become a supermutant

[tidal kraken]

ah fair.

[half vine]

oh, right, i kinda forgot that lol

[jade dune]

yeah he could be an enclave supermutant like the ex institute one in Fo4 a smart supermutant

[tidal kraken]

Makes sense, the Rust King in 76 is an escaped Enclave Mutant.

But this one seemed pre-war maybe? Idk. He gave off the vibe he's been around for a while.

Saying stuff that they both know who started everything.

[jade dune]

yeah he knew Coop i thought maybe its his old Native American pal

but unlikely, it just sounded like his voice

[tidal kraken]

Idk if he knew Coop, but he seemed to be of the belief that Coop knew what he knew at the very least.

[potent oar]

Bear in mind the Enclave seem to be a well known quantity in the wasteland by this point, at least on the West Coast

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, but i don't think people knew what the Enclave did exactly pre-war.

Like people know OF the Enclave, but not to that extent.

[potent oar]

Doesn't take much to put all them 2s together

[jade dune]

the mysterious superpower faction is clearly the Minutemen

[half vine]

man death by stapler would've been very embarassing huh

[potent oar]

[tidal kraken]

It kind of does? lol It's not like the Enclave is prancing around saying they wanted to blow up the world, or were kidnapping folks. They're not like the Institute in that regard.

[tidal kraken]

L for the NCR, lost a Ranger. 😔

[twilit vault]

Hmm interesting

[jade dune]

normal day for him

[minor torrent]

Chat who’s MARGoT

[tidal kraken]

I would prefer it over Unity, personally. Bethesda needs to make new factions. Especially for stuff like FO5, it's almost Certain we're getting playable ghouls. Having a faction that a Playable Ghoul can side with instead, is almost certainly gonna happen.

[fierce pond]

it’s 8am but I can’t think of a better way to start the day than by watching the new episode x

[jade dune]

100% those chips are all going to fail at some point and Hank's vault become a bloodbath

[half vine]

it'll be absolute pandemonium if the implants fail and they get their original personalities back

[twilit vault]

But there a problem
Bethesada made institude

[tidal kraken]

Yes and? These guys at least to me, very early read - this might change based on more exposure to them - they don't give the vibe they're evil just more so they're anti-faction in the sense of not liking the NCR, or Enclave, Brotherhood for obvious reasons, etc etc.

[potent oar]

Except the people of Arroyo and vault 13 joins the NCR right? The Chosen one and thier people would know a lot about the Enclave. To say nothing of what the NCR Learned about them after Navarro.

If you convince the New Vegas Remnants to help, and go for an NCR Legion Ending, they're just tried as Warcriminals outright

[jaunty summit]

We also don't know if the Enclave are still genocidal

[tidal kraken]

Bethesda also wrote the Tenpenny storyline with the ghouls, which has a good twist in it.

[lethal nacelle]

I really feel sorry for him lmfao he seems like a nice person

[twilit vault]

Here a bigger problem
Fallout fans

[tidal kraken]

Yes, but again that knowledge is not tracked all over the West. The NCR knows of the Enclave, and their capabilities, not specifically what they've done pre-war. That does not become common knowledge, there's zero evidence for it.

[tidal kraken]

I mean fair, but when has that stopped them before. lol

People clowned on 76 for years and Bethesda still stuck with it.

[jaunty summit]

While super mutants are legally accepted within the NCR it doesn't mean they aren't discriminated against

[tidal kraken]

Mutants are heavily discriminated against in the NCR, and people love to deny this. lol

[half vine]

mutants from what i remember in NV are alot more discriminated against than ghouls in general

[tidal kraken]

Like yes they have rights, but there's a bunch of movements, and politicians that are against them. Even in FNV they tried to kill one of their own because their excuse was, "Oh well he's suffering." "He's not feral though, he'll be okay." "Idc he's still suffering, put him down."

And the only place you can send that soldier is the the GHOUL EXCLUSIVE RANGER OUTPOST. lol

[potent oar]

Don't forget the quest you can do for Marcus

[tidal kraken]

If the NCR was so accepting, why tf couldn't he just be sent to any other normal camp.

[twilit vault]

Hmm
Idk what he is saying
Anyways so mutant have rights in the NCR and that is why NCR is best faction

[potent oar]

Where some NCR higher up hired some Mercs to Harass Jacobstown

[tidal kraken]

actual propaganda, we're seeing it in real time.

[twilit vault]

you do know that was a joke right?

[tidal kraken]

yes lol

i should've put /s at the end of it, my b

[jaunty summit]

Considering we have 2 episodes left, I wonder if Coop seeing house is the Finale

Maybe House finally understands it was the Enclave and gives them directions

[potent oar]

Do we know what happened to Broken Hills post Fo2?

[twilit vault]

They died

[tidal kraken]

It is, most likely.

[twilit vault]

Hopefully anyways

[tidal kraken]

Dunno.

[jaunty summit]

It's sad because I do like house that we don't get to spend more time with him

[tidal kraken]

We still have more pre-war scenes, lol

We might get more House, who knows.

[jaunty summit]

But really as a character there's not much you can do narratively

Yeah

[tidal kraken]

They can, if they confirm he's alive.

He's the only Leader that they didn't confirm their status.

[jaunty summit]

Yeah fair, I just don't think we'll revisit him in season 3

[tidal kraken]

And Yes Man isn't really a leader, he only exists because of Benny, but given the Courier probably helped out House and killed Benny, fat chance Yes Man is even relevant.

[digital nacelle]

Easy way to wrap up House is to have the Enclave sack New Vegas trying to get their cold fusion back now that it's usefulness in causing factional instability and warfare has likely been maxed out.

[tidal kraken]

Yeah, i just don't know if there will be enough time for that in two episodes.

It seems like next episode is going to be them gearing up to return to the Strip, since none of them besides Lucy is there.

And the Finale is literally just all Strip related to that battle.

[jaunty summit]

Who's to say that season 2 ends like season 1

It could be setting up for Season 3

[tidal kraken]

Todd says so, apparently. lol

[jaunty summit]

Oh lol

[tidal kraken]

Like it's going to be a direct continuation for Fallout 5 iirc.

[jaunty summit]

Fuck me then I guess

[tidal kraken]

Like the finale will set up the protagonists going to the location of the game, i think for the next season.

as for WHY we dunno yet

[jaunty summit]

Imagine if Mexico was the setting

Would love to see Mexico city

Sorry this isn't episode 6 discussion

[hollow sluice]

Was that super mutant Ron Pearlman?

[jaunty summit]

Yeah

[potent oar]

Yes

[hollow sluice]

Less go

[potent oar]

His character is unnamed

Also the closed captions spoil him being a Mutant

Goris stans in Shambles

[half vine]

well theres our first live action mutant

[twilit vault]

This is their way of saying
There aint no way we gonna make this practical without cgi

[potent oar]

Ya kinda can't tbf

Proportions are all wrong to do practically

Ghouls? Prosthetics have always been able to do shit like that

[tidal kraken]

i'm not upset at the design, i was worried it was gonna be worse.

Also did anyone notice they nailed the fucking passive super mutant sounds???

[potent oar]

2/10 doesn't have the west coast mutant lip straps

[twilit vault]

To be honest
What they managed to make is pretty good

[tidal kraken]

I agree.

[strange trail]

Too true

[tidal kraken]

as long as it wasn't the abomination of FO4.

I hate that design so much.

[twilit vault]

There is such a clear reason the mutant has a clock
They cant even figure out how to make him move without mkaing it look ridcilious

[strange trail]

Big green men as opposed to little green men, lmfao

[indigo escarp]

Ahhh so the Enclave WAS behind it all.....

[twilit vault]

No one knows

[tidal kraken]

What? We don't know.

[indigo escarp]

That was the scientist in that one scene

[tidal kraken]

Yes, he was threatening Barbara.

[twilit vault]

But it really changed what we thought of cooper wife
We thought she just calmly said, yeah vualt tec launch nukes yoo hoo
But nah, the wrtier are smart, she was forced to say it

i was here being like
cooper wife is INSANE

[jaunty summit]

Btw was just thinking how do they do Coops nose?

[tidal kraken]

Nah nah, I was not in that boat. Lol But yeah i can see why people thought she was insane.

[twilit vault]

Now it is
Cooper wife MAKE SENSE

[strange trail]

Cgi

[indigo escarp]

I still dont think she makes sense

[jaunty summit]

Is it painted green while Goggins filming to remove it?

I have no idea how film CGI works

[tidal kraken]

What do you mean, they literally threatened her family, her family is everything to her - she thinks by following their orders they will be safe.

[strange trail]

No they just remove his nose and put it back on after the take

[half vine]

what do we think of Barb this ep

[jaunty summit]

Ahh removable nose, never considered that

[tidal kraken]

You can call her ignorant, or naive, but as far as she knows the Enclave is the real deal.

[twilit vault]

I was in half on the boat
Her saying it was just caught off guard
But was she really casually insitsting the nukes will be launched
Wouldnt house already have a good idea when the bombs will come instead of a math
Its thing like this that made me spectucual

[tidal kraken]

If they're gonna threaten to kill her family, they probably will, they have the means to do it.

[strange trail]

It's a feature (not a bug) when you become a ghoul

[indigo escarp]

Cold fusion coming from within was pretty cool

[twilit vault]

Its the enclave
They are the very same that will idk just casually eat inncoent children just to see if putting people who ate them in fev would do?

[tidal kraken]

Also i do think that man in the shadows was the Enclave then, i think they were watching her to make sure she said to drop the bombs.

[indigo escarp]

Yall think that was marcus or another supe?

[tidal kraken]

Another super mutant. Marcus is not that hostile.

[twilit vault]

Its taliha

[tidal kraken]

HAH

[twilit vault]

Clearly my answer is the best one
If you ignore everything else

[indigo escarp]

it is actually tabitha from black mountain

[strange trail]

Meansonofabitch

[digital nacelle]

And who were planning to gas the planet with FEV just to cleanse the 'impure'.

[indigo escarp]

I mean what if Jacobstown was caught in the mix of the NCR CL war and that changed Marcus?

[tidal kraken]

Bro can't even speak properly

[twilit vault]

Like i always say
Think of the enclave as the nazi
Everything that they do now make sense

[half vine]

definitely not Marcus, i headcanon that hes just off exploring other the rest of the world or still managing Jacobstown somehow

[strange trail]

Mah so fabish

Maybe he learnt proper English, it's been 15 years afterall

[hazy stag]

quite sure he got the ghoul role after maze runner 3, lol

[tidal kraken]

Why change such a character, there's literally no need. lol Plus Marcus was never pro-mutant fanatic, this Mutant views Ghouls and Mutants as kin, this is probably a new character setting up a new faction.

Pro Mutants - Anti-NCR and Anti-Enclave.

[potent oar]

CGI it out

[digital nacelle]

Could also be Neil instead of Marcus.

[plucky zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/walton-goggins-maze-runner-maze-runner-3-maze-runner-the-death-cure-gif-13474450294897802010

[half vine]

its totally Strong after having gotten the milk of human kindness and gaining +2 INT

[twilit vault]

the hell is this?

[tidal kraken]

I don't think it's any New Vegas character, they're avoiding using FNV characters like the plague.

[strange trail]

Holy shit I remember that

[hazy stag]

thats his character in maze runner 3, lol

basically the same thing ™

[twilit vault]

I thought it was the ghoul

[tidal kraken]

lmao

[indigo escarp]

Two episodes left and a lot unanswered questions, I am worried they won't stick the landing

[twilit vault]

dude is replaying the same character TWICE

[tidal kraken]

Smh, y'all should watch Maze Runner.

[indigo escarp]

Agreed great movie

[half vine]

i watched the 1st and 2nd movie

[twilit vault]

Smh
Y'all should watch fallout tv show

[indigo escarp]

if you havent watched it yet why are you here

[tidal kraken]

They have season 3 beginning pre-production and filming on May 1st, not everything is gonna get answered this season, the same way not everything was answered in season 1.

[digital nacelle]

Same; we're running out of runway, and we still have to address the Deathclaws on the Strip, rescuing the Ghoul's family, potentially killing Hank, and setting up S3.

[proud cedar]

Do we think Ron Perlman's character is a gen 2 mutant? They were specifically made through the Enclave's actions, after all.

[twilit vault]

dont worry
they will SPEEDRUN

[tidal kraken]

Could be, or someone from Pre-war, we dunno.

[tidal kraken]

Assuming we'll get all the answers this season is wild work. lol

[proud cedar]

Gen 2s were usually dumb.

[hollow sluice]

I like that he looks like Marcus

[tidal kraken]

Probably not, then.

[indigo escarp]

I saw the church and was like omg could this be the children of the cathedral

[digital nacelle]

And probably reveal another half-dozen fellas from post-War are actually pre-War at this point; kinda getting sick of pre-War fellas popping up post-War.

[twilit vault]

I dont think we will get an answer for norm plot anytime soon
nor the cold fusion
nor bos
nor legion
the only thing would be lucy, ghoul and hank storyline

[proud cedar]

I can't think which other mutants would make the Enclave their specific grudge.

[half vine]

Coop getting a piece of uranium shoved in him, fallout equivalent of a briarheart lol

[twilit vault]

as they say
URANIUM FEVER, ITS SPREADING ALL AROUND

with a geiger counter in my hand
Im gonna go and stake ajax land

[tidal kraken]

We have at least 1 more NCR scene, 1 more Legion one, and a couple pre-war.
Still, there's still stuff from Season 1 that never got answered. The reality is that this show is being built up to be long term. Probably 4, or 5 seasons leading up to the release of FO5. I don't believe we'll get a lot of the questions we want answered in these last two episodes. Some big ones for sure, but not all of them.

[twilit vault]

vary nice

that is one way to ensure that fallout fans dont die from lack of fallout since it has been 11 YEARS if you exclude 76 when the last major fallout game came out

[proud cedar]

I think the mutant having uranium does imply gen 2, because they were miners before mutating.

[digital nacelle]

I'd be content to just have the NCR proper show up at this point, not just a few scattered survivors LARP'ing like the NCR.

[half vine]

also fucking Betty and Reg lmao, vault security gonna be hosing some folks like its the 60s by the end of this

[jade dune]

i'm barely alive, surviving on platting Fallout Shelter waiting for ps5 next gen 76

[tidal kraken]

He could've bought it? You find uranium in almost every FO game at some point. It's not farfetched he had something that healed ghouls, especially if he views the ghouls as kin.

[twilit vault]

That is the one plot where i am like
I cannot believe that i am agreeing with betty on this case

[tidal kraken]

Reg is probably gonna disappear.

[jade dune]

i think Lucy doing that to Cooper means Coop is going to blow Hank's head off

[tranquil slate]

am i the only one who don’t understand what that gun did to hank

[twilit vault]

One of the rare cases where i will be GLAD that it actually does

[strange trail]

It extracted cold fusion from his neck and put it in a jar

[twilit vault]

So bascially
Its not a gun
It basically design to remove cold fusion that is stored in human
Why specicially human
Good question

[half vine]

then theres Chet getting forcibly married

[twilit vault]

@tidal kraken
Why is cold fusion always injected toward human again?

[tidal kraken]

Probably a precaution.

[twilit vault]

Well it is confirmed
Happy marriage to chet and sarah

[half vine]

"happy"

[twilit vault]

smh
them canadains
we shouldnt have let them live in our country!

[tidal kraken]

[tranquil slate]

hanks lowkey a loser but idk his whole experiment COULD be logical i GUESS

[strange trail]

Chet is gonna be happy whether he likes it or not

[digital nacelle]

A basic 'head blown off by bullet' end feels too easy for that monster.

[jade dune]

nah that man is completely insane

[tidal kraken]

Not mentioning his Wife, or Lucy not mentioning her Mom was the only weird thing to me.

[twilit vault]

tbf
lucy doesnt know her mom that well
its seem weird to mention her

[tidal kraken]

Nah but she knows what he did to her.

[jade dune]

Hank kills Barb, Coop kills Hank, Janey lives and is horrified by Coop (maybe too obvious)

[half vine]

we all think Woody's dead but im caling it now, hes gonna burst out the vents in one episode like a naked greasy molerat, take out Stephs other eye, and save Chet

[jade dune]

is Woody the Severance one

[tranquil slate]

woody is the goat

[strange trail]

Lmfao, and he's gonna come out jacked like norm

[digital nacelle]

Oh yeah, Janey seeing Coop again and thinking he's a monster before trying to run away practically writes itself.

[twilit vault]

Well true
I guess its just one of those that was overlooked
Cant explain this one
Its not the where i told blen that lucy saying that line to ghoul while deathclaw were present is due to her being into drugs

[jade dune]

yeah literally, when she sees him its gonna be a tough watch

[half vine]

absolutely a gauranteed reaction, then coops gonna die or some shit and shes gonna end up getting raised by Lucy and Max

[digital nacelle]

Especially combined with the Ghoul using his Coop voice.

[potent oar]

I honestly don't know if they'll have Janey hate how Cooper looks or if she'll recognize him despite it all and embrace him

[jade dune]

i think the main 3 are extremely safe, Ghoul will probs die in the final season if he does

[strange trail]

I feel like one of them is gonna die for shock value

[digital nacelle]

Though Lucy could maybe pull a heel turn in the second to last season before becoming the main villain for the final season.

[twilit vault]

huh?

[jade dune]

he's not "carrying" the show because everyone is killing it, but he's definitely the main attraction

[tranquil slate]

as long as the goat thaddeus is still alive its good

[jade dune]

he actually is goat

[half vine]

yea Ghoul has loads of death flags rn, even Thaddeus is safer than him at this point

[tidal kraken]

If Hank didn't outright admit it to her, that he killed her Mom I'd hand wave it I guess. Cause Moldaver would be untrustworthy as all fuck. But Hank flat out tells her, "Yeah I did it. She stopped being your mom when she left though."

[jade dune]

he's just having a major character arc/change coz that man was evil as fuck in s1

[tidal kraken]

Neither of them are dying until season 3 or 4 maybe. That's a big maybe. And killing characters off for shock value is dumb.

The only reason why it worked for GOT was to establish no character was safe.

[half vine]

ayo? didn't think the 31 vaulties were packing heat

[tidal kraken]

Bring the kids.

[strange trail]

Lmao

[twilit vault]

Bring the Kids...
Well line them up for me

They are anyways immortal so it doesnt matter

[tidal kraken]

[tranquil slate]

fallout 2 didn’t like the fact they were immortal

[half vine]

wouldn't be america if the kids weren't also shooting brass

[light vine]

johnny cash song, nice

[twilit vault]

ah
johnny cash
Such an amazing artist

[light vine]

cant believe they used it for the credits but oh well

[half vine]

also this is probably the closest we'll get to a proper NCR and Legion battle in the show

[tidal kraken]

[digital nacelle]

Meanwhile Gramps there looks like he has no idea what even is happening.

[daring rapids]

Seems like the super mutant knows the enclave is still out there

[twilit vault]

So two old grandpas fighting each other
Sonds right

[light vine]

they look happy

[tidal kraken]

The worst thing is, i bet you removing those devices, kills them anyway - if it doesn't, i'll be surprised.

[half vine]

perhaps just simply deactivating them would be a good enough compromise maybe?

gotta live with that awful reminder at the back of your neck everyday but well, you get free will back

[digital nacelle]

Wouldn't your memories also be gone?

[jade dune]

might just be severed

[tidal kraken]

Yeah it's - idk the device seems complicated in the sense that there's a lot of unknowns to it. So it could damage them, or it might not. they might just blank on everything they did under the control of the device.

[high shuttle]

Yeah no it is not the Cathedral
Dosen't look like the Cathedral
Plus at this point the Cathedral might just be a historical site
It is a bombed ruin in Long Beach lol

[stoic idol]

Where the hell is Woody? Probably something to do with Steph? Lol

[light vine]

say the Cathedral one more time plz

[high shuttle]

Catholic

Catalytic converter

Catnip

Cathay

[half vine]

yea thats kinda the implication

[stoic idol]

I hope he isnt killed tho

[half vine]

he likely got "silenced" and its kinda a 50/50 on if hes really dead or not

[tidal kraken]

Boutta be Reg's dumbass too in a bit

[digital nacelle]

Frankly, I wouldn't blame Betty if she took to drinking at this point to cope with the sheer idiocy of all this.

[strange trail]

Iguana bits mysteriously appear on the cafeteria menu 👀

[stoic idol]

I think he is alive

Also i hoped Maximus will turn into a much darker character given that he started getting in that direction. Too bad he already met Ghoul again so i currently dont see this further development happening

[strange trail]

He's either alive or he's a woody protein shake, probably the former

[stoic idol]

Unless he does dark stuff in front of Ghoul and Lucie

[distant jay]

I honestly speculate that the super mutant might be Charlie Whiteknife, with how he saved the Ghoul and his fanatical hatred for the Enclave.

[half vine]

i think Lucy is the one that we'll have to worry about that happening to

[strange trail]

Well we gotta find out what happened to him either way

[half vine]

shes got a whole inner conflict thing going on rn

[stoic idol]

I personally am not although she started doing things should never previosly. Maximus went more dark than her tho

[strange trail]

Tbh maximus did save those kids

[distant jay]

Yeah, I think Max is trying to be a good man like his dad wanted.

[stoic idol]

But maybe im not wrong or im missing something. They clearly made him go darker and he still has potential to be what Ghoul was at the beginning and even worse

[strange trail]

He could be an interesting villain if done right

[stoic idol]

Rage and vengeance can do stuff to people

[kindred lake]

They must be setting up an NCR revival with the ghoul plotline, at least in my opinion/hope. NCR is the only major faction who views mutants and ghouls as human beings

[half vine]

morally Max is in the middle, Lucy is good while ghoul is evil, Max would be morally grey

tho thats still a simplified way of saying it

[distant jay]

Ghoul isn't evil either.

[half vine]

more evil than the the other 2 protags at least but yes he is VERY slowly changing as well

[stoic idol]

Yeah, I first expected Max to become even higher in Brotherhood and eventually do nasty things to avenge his town and family

[wide helm]

He's not evil, he's a nuanced human being that probably can't be put into a black or white category. Like most people, I'd wager.

[twilit vault]

what about the legion?

[half vine]

also theres quite abit of food scenes in this ep huh

[wide helm]

hence why i said most people

at the same time, from a realism standpoint i also wouldn't assume every person wearing legion colors to be an evil person either tbf

[kindred lake]

They wouldn't view themselves as evil, and tbh they aren't. No more evil than the actual romans, and I mean, they did quite a bit for civilization

[stoic idol]

We still have yet to see that legion civil war

That they did show in the s2 trailer

[strange trail]

Short legate

[digital nacelle]

Lacerta gives me bootleg Vulpes vibes in his mannerisms.

[strange trail]

Superduper mart vulpes

[orchid tapir]

Kinda feel like the mutant thing might be the s3 story

[kindred lake]

Didn't we see that in E2?

It was brief and a bit underwhelming, and maybe the plot point is coming back but to me it seemed a bit more like "here's the legion for fans who played, also Roman Roy"

[safe jackal]

based on the trailers, we'll likely see the legion next ep

[lapis thistle]

is it just me or was this episdoe kinda bad?

like we are 2 episodes away from finale

and yet notihng has even really happened in this season

beside brotherhoods civil war starting up

[digital nacelle]

Perhaps S2 is more of a setup season than anything else?

[lapis thistle]

maybe

but really for what?

NCR is gone. Legion will get wiped out in few months house is either dead or just given up

[digital nacelle]

The Enclave popping up again from their latest bolt hole for round three, perhaps?

[lapis thistle]

Curiour idk just chilling with in devided

[digital nacelle]

Courier so far might as well be a lazy bum who accomplished nothing meaningful at this point, tbh.

[lapis thistle]

I do like enclave but bit unlike since in the Mohave there were only like 5 left

during NV

[lapis thistle]

yeah I bet in the shows cannon courier just died do to benny

[echo surge]

MURANTS!!!

MUTANTS!!!!! MUTANTS°°°°°°°°

MUTANTS!!! MURANTS!!! MUTANTS!!!! MUTAANTSS!!! UNITY!!! UNITY!!

[marble aurora]

Is the mutant the one from the games?

[marble aurora]

Courier is long gone bro

[proud cedar]

Yes, he's the one - there has only been one super mutant in the games.

[marble aurora]

Where is his glasses at

[wispy latch]

he seems original but idk yet, played by ron perlman though

[proud cedar]

His name is Mean Sonofabitch.

[marble aurora]

Ron is in every fallout game atp

[tidal kraken]

Lazy Courier.

[tidal kraken]

No it's not.

[marble aurora]

Nv is buns it’s carried by the story everything else is trash

[proud cedar]

He wasn't in BoS on PS2.

[tidal kraken]

The Mutant is a new character, most likely. It looks like they're setting up a new faction.

[marble aurora]

Hope so

[tidal kraken]

Yes, Marcus - it's not him. Their personalities are way different.

[marble aurora]

Sounds the same

[grizzled wraith]

Today’s episode 3/10

[proud cedar]

I wonder how they'll tie to the Enclave. I mean it's possible that between NV and the show that some Enclave remnant created new mutants.

[tidal kraken]

Not really evidence or much to go off of. It's ron pearlman voicing him. They might sound the same, as a lot of mutants do, but Marcus is a specific type of character.

[proud cedar]

But I don't know if the series needs another FEV origin point.

[wispy latch]

marcus is probably still in jacobstown which they don’t really try to keep secret, new guy doesn’t want cooper to know where this church is

[tidal kraken]

I also don't believe Marcus would undo everything he's tried to accomplish to pick a fight with the NCR, and Enclave.

[proud cedar]

The mention of 'church' makes me think of the Cathedral, but they never fought the Enclave.

[marble aurora]

I was thinking the hooded figure might’ve been goris

[proud cedar]

I was sure it was Goris.

[wispy latch]

me too bro but then that green hand came out 😭😭

[marble aurora]

Yeah

[digital nacelle]

Were there any churches in NV, by any chance?

[marble aurora]

Especially when the lamppost was cut

[proud cedar]

If you mean structures, yes. If you mean mutant-related ones, no.

[marble aurora]

Hank Lowk might be right Yk

[wispy latch]

i thought it could be a tail like when the strip deathclaws cut that tree down

[unreal arch]

What are yall honest opinion abt this episode?

[marble aurora]

I liked it especially the vault tech brainwashed people bit

[minor torrent]

Johnathan fallouton approves

[tranquil orbit]

enclave mentioned

[marble aurora]

We can all agree on one thing

[proud cedar]

Hank is like a dark mirror to James from Fallout 3 - he'll do anything, even alienate himself from his child, to achieve what he believes is the path to peace.

[minor torrent]

Railroad sucks ass yes

[marble aurora]

Also does that mean Hitler was canon in fallout?

[tranquil orbit]

i like how the subtitles revealed the supermutant before we saw his face

[tidal kraken]

was good, just a lot of tying in

[marble aurora]

Cuz the book

[digital nacelle]

Then perhaps his final fate should be similar to James; exposure to intense amounts of radiation.

[unreal arch]

I found it okay. Vault tec got a spotlight this episode.

[minor torrent]

The changes started in 1960s

[marble aurora]

He was then

[minor torrent]

WW2 was even mentioned in F1 intro bro

[tranquil orbit]

hes been canon since the first game

[proud cedar]

Sacrificing himself to ensure the Enclave get control of something, the opposite of James' final act.

[marble aurora]

I never played the first 2 cuz I never got a laptop

Only been on Xbox

[proud cedar]

Hitler is mentioned in the intro to the first game.

[tranquil orbit]

canon for nearly 30 years

[marble aurora]

What happened to Stalin then?

[digital nacelle]

Ooh, good point; dude's enough of a bootlicker to do that.

[proud cedar]

Not specified, but the USSR survived into the end of the pre-war world.

[marble aurora]

I want some more info about what happened to the chief

[proud cedar]

Presumably the Sino-Soviet split still happens because China and Russia aren't allies pre-war.

[snow lark]

okay i watched the episode

[minor torrent]

USSR had diplomatic relations with US right before the war

[proud cedar]

I still want to know how House ties into the mind control chips.

[marble aurora]

He made em

That’s all the ties

[proud cedar]

Like he personally demo tested them and gave them to Vault-Tec, but it seems Hank is using them for a probable Enclave purpose.

[marble aurora]

Maybe also the workers at the casinos got em

[minor torrent]

Vault Tec basically asked him to develop em (or enclave did under vault Tec)

[tranquil orbit]

was the enclave explicitly mentioned in s1?

[marble aurora]

What we all want to know is how much the Standing in house gets paid for playing as the original house

[proud cedar]

But who is Hank talking to when he says "'sir"?

[snow lark]

marcus wasn't even voiced by ron

[marble aurora]

John vault tech

[proud cedar]

It seems unlikely to be House.

[silk cape]

I wanna know how far he goes as house would he go taunt anthony for robert

[topaz marsh]

the enclave was said by name in season 1

[echo surge]

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YESYES YESYES YES YES YES YES YEBSYE SYE SYEBSYEBSYE SYEBSYE SYE SYWBS

[proud cedar]

It seems like Mr. House's computer model in NV resembles his double more than the real guy.

[tidal kraken]

I know.

[digital nacelle]

Some Enclave higher-up, perhaps?

[echo surge]

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN HYPED UP FOR THIS SHOW

[snow lark]

it appears others doesn't know

[echo surge]

UNITY COMEBACK!!!

[tranquil orbit]

i feel like the vault dweller plot is still weak

[topaz marsh]

still looking like an enclave outcome and i think the mutant is a one time thing dont get your hopes up for nothing

[proud cedar]

Mutants will probably be an S3 plot point.

[tranquil orbit]

no norm plot this ep

[minor torrent]

We need a caravan member

[proud cedar]

We need a game of caravan played on screen.

Ringo cameo.

[echo surge]

They fucked up every faction, but atleast they gave me what I needed the most.

The unity

[proud cedar]

If there's a faction I wanna see, it's probably the Followers or the Shi.

[echo surge]

I expected just some random feral mutants, but they seem to be reviving the actual unity faction from the dialogue I've heard

[echo surge]

I'd also like to see those 2 lol, but unity definitely takes precedence for me

[digital nacelle]

Though hopefully with a more refined plan than the Master's was; at the very least, figure out a way to get around the sterilization issue.

[proud cedar]

I want the OG Follower look though, with the mohawks.

[echo surge]

Yeah, I also want the Followers to be as they were before and not a bunch of dorks.

[echo surge]

Easy, modify the FEV to not touch reproductive cells. I am very happy and glad they gave us the unity

[proud cedar]

Maybe these mutants don't care about reproducing.

I mean without opposition they could live forever anyway.

[dawn flicker]

Enclave mentioned!!

[proud cedar]

Actually the faction I want to see most is the Midwestern BoS.

[dawn flicker]

Who is the super mutant though, don’t get his name

Big aaah struched what if that’s frank horrigan and he somehow survived this whole time but abandoned the enclaves

[proud cedar]

He had legs.

[dawn flicker]

It’s most likely not but idk what thehell there planing

[silk cape]

There would be a lot of corpses and legends

[dawn flicker]

Mutants can regrow limbs

[snow lark]

why is everyone prewar

[midnight lily]

The big plot twist I’m betting is that super mutant is Janey or Barb

[tranquil orbit]

probs gonna involve the enclave in s3

[dawn flicker]

I hope they appear in the finale of s2

[proud cedar]

Ron Perlman as Barbara Howard.

[dawn flicker]

I want to see enclave power armor and there veri bird in live action

[proud cedar]

I want to see T-51.

I have a feeling the Enclave will tie into Area 51.

[vivid nexus]

Who’s the mutant Ron Perlman voiced?

[tranquil orbit]

the one that kidnapped coop

[proud cedar]

John "Super" Mutant.

[vivid nexus]

I know that, I meant do we know which mutant this is?

[proud cedar]

It's Uncle Leo.

[tranquil orbit]

nope no name

[vivid nexus]

I feel bad for the Ghoul , stuck with Thaddeus and Maximus

[proud cedar]

Fawkes fought the Enclave.

The Mutant mentions revenge against the Enclave.

Ron Perlman is Fawkes.

[vivid nexus]

This is in the West Coast

[proud cedar]

Harold was from the West Coast and ended up in DC.

[vivid nexus]

And his voice is not as aggressive as Fawkes, the West Coast mutants were more articulate or calm sounding like Marcus

[midnight lily]

Didn’t the master create the mutants? Not the enclave? Unless I’m missing lore

[proud cedar]

The Enclave accidentally created some mutants in Fallout 2.

When they were excavating Mariposa.

[vivid nexus]

It was an FEV at Mariposa, West Tek also did something in Appalachia with FEV, the Institute had its own strain, and then Vault 87

[tranquil orbit]

i feel like this episode jumped between scenes so rapidly the flow was kinda mid

[vivid nexus]

Yeah too many jumps for pacing

[midnight lily]

I could do less with the Vault incest subplot

[vivid nexus]

That Legionnaire and the NCR veteran was a bit brutal

[tranquil orbit]

the downside of having like 6 different storylines in 10 ep season

[vivid nexus]

And Hank keeps giving me more reasons to hate Vault-Tec (also 8 episodes)

[tranquil orbit]

8 eps** idk

[snow lark]

so they mentioned Boneyard

[tranquil orbit]

damn were wrapping this up in 8 eps too idk if theyll stick the landing

[vivid nexus]

Isn’t that where LA was?

Or was that the Hub

[snow lark]

yep, but no one called it boneyard in s1

[tidal kraken]

wym

why do people keep saying this, explain how or why they might not lol

[tranquil orbit]

so many different plotlines to wrap up

the vault dweller one is the least interesting

[tidal kraken]

They're not all getting wrapped up in one season 1?

[vivid nexus]

They have S3 as well

[tidal kraken]

Not all the plotlines in S1 got wrapped up in S2.

[plush halo]

It getting a season 3, they are not going to wrapped all the plotlines in season 2

[tidal kraken]

And the same will be here, not all plotlines in s2 will get wrapped up, here. They have a S3, and potentially a S4.

[tranquil orbit]

they could wrap up the vault dweller plotline by having the enclave visit them

[snow lark]

vault plot line is also my least favorite

[vivid nexus]

S4 is possible since we are a needy, impatient fandom and love to see our lore contradicted so much /s

[tranquil orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/enclave-fallout-2-gif-670157946705915571

[tidal kraken]

They're gonna do a s4 to edge people to FO5, i promise you S4 will be close to FO5's release, i'll bet money on it.

[proud cedar]

The vault will probably be converted into mutants or something, no other reason to focus on them so much.

[tranquil orbit]

since the enclaves mentioned they have to show the power armor in the future

[vivid nexus]

And not to mention FEV mention last episode

[proud cedar]

Well, other than that they built a probably very expensive vault set and need to justify the money spent.

[vivid nexus]

We saw them in S1 briefly

Just not their Advanced power armor

[tranquil orbit]

the place with the dogs right

[snow lark]

So Max and Thaddeus both grew up in NCR but they didn't mention this

[vivid nexus]

Also surprised Wilzig is that old

Pre-war Enclave scientist

[proud cedar]

Everyone is pre-war.

[snow lark]

at this point, I'm not suprised, everyone I prewar!

[tranquil orbit]

everyone had access to a cryochamber it seems

[proud cedar]

Dr. Chickenfucker? Pre-war.

[vivid nexus]

Nah he’s post war

[proud cedar]

Are you one of those people?

[plush halo]

I mean he a member of the enclave and they were a part of vault-tec so

[vivid nexus]

Why does the assembly of those control chips House made in the episode feel like something we’d see in the games?

[proud cedar]

They should've mentioned the management vaults from Tactics and BoS.

[tranquil orbit]

i like the control chips more than the synths ngl

[vivid nexus]

Imagine if the Institute had this

[snow lark]

ep6 outro credits was dissapointing

[tranquil orbit]

then the insitute would be more insufferable

[proud cedar]

This isn't the first time we've seen mind control tech; Fallout 3 had three different cases of it (Mesmotron, deathclaws with brain chips, and the Red Racer Factory).

Fallout 4 also wasn't the first game with cryonics.

[plush halo]

Hank Macclean making wasteland people employees for vault-tec kind of crazy

[vivid nexus]

Yeah, but control chips on humans is very unethical

Erasing free will to make them behave as if they are Vault-Tec employees

[proud cedar]

Two of the examples mentioned could be used against humans.

[tranquil orbit]

if all the chips shut down that office would become a warzone

[plush halo]

Hank have a Pre-war Capitalistic mindset

[tranquil orbit]

but agreed those chips are super unethical

[vivid nexus]

Mesmotron is technically a different thing as you give them an explosive collar and rewrite their brain chemistry with a type of energy weapon

[tranquil orbit]

maximizing profits for nonexistent shareholders

[vivid nexus]

It’s still unethical, but the control chips are literally implanted against the person’s will and they become fully compliant

[marble aurora]

It’s like factory reset just keeping all the basic stuff and removing the malware

[vivid nexus]

yeah

[twilit tusk]

The enclave is back baby

[tranquil orbit]

whens the last time we saw the home alone kid

4 eps ago?

[vivid nexus]

with the Mesmotron, don't you have to aim and shoot them with the weapon to brainwash and coerce them, and then they will believe what you tell them, while these control chips are physically implanted and they have full compliance once activated?

[twilit tusk]

Wait was that Ron Perlman as the super mutant

[tranquil orbit]

has to be a unity faction since hes talking about war against humans

[vivid nexus]

and they're in a cathedral

its not the original one from Fallout 1, but its a strong reference

[twilit tusk]

I thought he was taking about a war against the enclave

[plush halo]

Yes

[twilit tusk]

Blessed be to Todd Howard https://x.com/screentime/status/2002034953358389631?s=46&t=EpvMjm7wzCtorQowSQJeQw

ScreenTime (@screentime)

Todd Howard suggests Ron Perlman could join ‘FALLOUT’ in the future

“When you think about him and you think about that voice, you think about: is there a place and what's the right one?”

X · Dec 19, 2025, 3:15 PM

[jaunty summit]

If only we could solve our problems by enslaving everyone against their freewill and force them to view the world through our warped eyes

[twilit tusk]

I will buy Skyrim as many times as he wants

[tranquil orbit]

oh true then he might know about jacobstown

[raven lark]

yay the enclave returns for the 1000000th time

[ocean isle]

I mean it was known that the enclave still existed in season 1

[twilit tusk]

The enclave literally haven’t been a thing since fallout 3

[jaunty summit]

Technically they were in 76

[twilit tusk]

Timeline wise

[vivid nexus]

but we joined them

[jaunty summit]

But as a prequel it's expected

[twilit tusk]

In terms of timeline then yes fallout 3

[vivid nexus]

(FO4 doesn't count, right with the CC?)

[jaunty summit]

Yeah no it's like it's been 18 years since we see them in a game

[jaunty summit]

I don't count CC content, I don't know how much is actually official

[twilit tusk]

Well since it’s bundled into the base game now it is canon but it’s still not the same as 3

[twilit tusk]

Bethesda bundled it into the base game so it’s now canon

[tranquil orbit]

i like the enclave

[digital nacelle]

But at this rate, beating them's just gonna feel like putting them back on the respawn timer until they get dragged out yet again for another go at reclaiming America.

[jaunty summit]

Ahh ok

[twilit tusk]

We haven’t seen them in their glory since fallout 2

[digital nacelle]

They were the main bad guys in 3 too.

[jaunty summit]

Yeah Raven Rock was a weird one in FO3

It doesn't feel like JHE is actually a legitimate continuation of the American Government

[twilit tusk]

Yes but I feel they weren’t at full power in 3

[jaunty summit]

I know we fight them at Raven Rock and Adams AFB

[twilit tusk]

To be fair neither was the oil rig. It’s all just people claiming to be the power makers despite continuity of government clearly going down the shitter once the bombs dropped

[jaunty summit]

I thought the oil rig was the more legitimate one?

[tranquil orbit]

could the enclave be in the finale or postcredit?

[twilit tusk]

Depends on how you view “legitimate” it’s always just crackpots claiming to be in power

[ocean isle]

The only reason why it has legitimacy is because it was connected to the government pre-war

[twilit tusk]

Yes but to claim it’s the legitimate government of the United States post war is laughable

Government ended when the presidents term expired after the bombs dropped

[jaunty summit]

If they wanted to be legitimate they would have immediately tried to reclaim/rebuilt the nation not wait it out for 200 years

[tranquil orbit]

ncr is the most legit govt

[twilit tusk]

Exactly. Hard to claim you’re the president when there’s no electoral college to elect the president, no states to elect senators and representatives. It’s all just cosplay and that’s how I view the enclave, which isn’t a bad thing mind you.

[digital nacelle]

Or try to genocide the entire planet with FEV.

[twilit tusk]

Until they too went down the shitter

[jaunty summit]

No I agree, I suppose I meant as a continuation of unbroken "presidents" Dicky is more legitimate than JHE

[jaunty summit]

Yeah at least Autumn has reservations

[digital nacelle]

Having a Enclave head honcho be like Autumn would honestly make the Enclave more interesting as a bad guy faction than them trying yet another variant of FEV killpeopleism that's struck out twice by this point.

[jaunty summit]

I don't think it will be FEV

I think it's tied in with Hank and the dog mind control

[twilit tusk]

Considering they were working on cold fusion, they definitely would have become the power brokers in the wasteland

[midnight lily]

Honestly one thing I like is that the Enclave being behind the Great War conspiracy makes much more sense than Vault Tec doing it

[tranquil orbit]

after the show ends the NCR will make a comeback (in my head)

[jaunty summit]

On seeing Hank and Lucy it looks as though it's Vault Tech but I increasingly think he's an Enclave Plant

[midnight lily]

Maximus will create the New New California Republic

[stoic idol]

Yes, but not the actual battle and the scene where Lacerta stabs one of the guys

[twilit tusk]

I mean vault Tec basically became a subsidiary of the enclave

[jaunty summit]

I wouldn't like to see him lead it, but I want to see him be like a folk hero

[digital nacelle]

Eh, Maximus doesn't really have the aura of someone like, say, the Vault Dweller.

[midnight lily]

Chosen One has much more aura tbh

[silk cape]

Ooh an enclave virgil

[midnight lily]

I think the chosen one was mentioned in the Amazon faction summaries

[tranquil orbit]

i hope we see jacobstown, not in ruins

[midnight lily]

Chosen One mentioned

[ocean isle]

Also I’m actually wondering if they cut Thaddeus’ mouth on his body. I think they were supposed to show it when he was with Maximus in this episode but they didn’t

It’s probably nothing but I’d be curious if they just decided to retcon Thaddeus as a ghoul instead of something else like it’s been speculated

[haughty obsidian]

Marcus finally showed up.

[slate walrus]

that scene is next episode he shows the mouth to the ghoul

[ocean isle]

Oh

[midnight lily]

I still think he’s something like Harold. A different mutant who can pass as a ghoul

[kind marten]

Why did Barb not know about the Cold Fusion deal? That is interesting to me. Barb bought Cold Fusion in the first place for Vault-Tec

[ocean isle]

Yeah that’s the best explanation

Also I was hoping to see more of the Norm subplot rip

[silk cape]

Presumably vault tec bought it for the gecks originally

[hollow sluice]

Did she? I thought VT in general bought it meaning some other executive. She just knew about it

[ocean isle]

Also I had a realization, it’s possible Coop purposefully became a ghoul because he mentioned he kept himself alive to find his family

Indicating it may have been voluntary

[kind marten]

I think that is the implication as Barbara's role at VT is buying the stuff, but yea good point

[midnight lily]

I thought Barb was in charge of the vault experiments

[twilit tusk]

I mean he probably was referring to not going feral

[haughty obsidian]

Marcus saved Cooper.

[ocean isle]

That too of course, but it would be interesting if he did it voluntarily after he lost Janey

[tranquil slate]

is it confirmed that super mutant is marcus?

[kind marten]

no

[haughty obsidian]

Marcus is the smartest super mutant in Fallout (except for the master).

[kind marten]

I don't think its ever exactly said, but she seems to be involved in buying things and vault experiments

Like her original meeting is pitching those big companies on Vault experiments, but we also see her trading House for tech and its implied Moldaver knew her from the buyout

[silk cape]

I like to think braun from three handled the particulars, barb helped make it happen including a level of veto

[hollow sluice]

I think she's one of the many top executives or atleast the main executive of the LA branch

VT had a bunch of hqs across the two coasts iirc

[high shuttle]

So
Given we finally have a location namedrop
Are we thinking the NCR has lost control over the Boneyard?

[vale steeple]

Holy crap I watch a new episode just now,, it was aboslute mind blowing

[tidal kraken]

No, not at all.

[hollow sluice]

Boneyard was always a shitehole tbf. Don't think it means much

[silk cape]

Braun being the scientist and obsessed with the vr tech likely just ignored much of the day to day

[high shuttle]

Fair point lol

[high shuttle]

Still, how come?

[vale steeple]

Downgrade or nah

[hollow sluice]

Nah he looks cool

Like Marcus. I love Marcus's design

[vale steeple]

HOLY CRAP ITS BEEN A WHILE SEEING SUPER MUTANT IN FLESH

[hollow sluice]

Peak super mutant design. Like a mix of 4 and classics

[tranquil slate]

it don’t look bad for live action tbh, i like it

[silk cape]

Could just be a variant

[tranquil slate]

i wonder if we will see different looking super mutants tho that’ll be nice to see

[tidal kraken]

Cause it's just mentioning that Thaddeus is from there, there's no reason to think or imply that it's not under their control. A Name drop is just a name drop. Thaddues is what, 20? just means Boneyard is still around.

[high shuttle]

Valid

[tranquil slate]

or just different fev projects other than super mutants that the enclave wouldve been working on

[balmy pike]

Boob

[silk cape]

Bob

[lavish lance]

Guys
Are we seeing the return of the unity?

[tidal kraken]

I hope it's a new faction. One where Mutants unite together, tbh.

[tidal kraken]

Hell naw, it better not be. Give me something new.

[mortal sequoia]

Watching a ranger become a Vault tec puppet experiment:

[vale steeple]

So this is where Thaddeus live

[high shuttle]

I mean to be fair as they with this new season they have really started to integrate games lore to the show so maybe the parts of the Boneyard we saw in S1 are now meant to be really shitty Boneyard parts now that they are "Khan Country"?
And since we haven't seen places like Downtown and Adytum we can assume they still operate under NCR?

[tranquil slate]

he said the bad part of boneyard i believe

[hollow sluice]

The ruins of LA is collectively called Boneyard

The various settlements in it had different names. Adytum, Followers Library etc.

[silk cape]

The name could stick with new motives

[distant jay]

He's dead. There is no coming back from what has been done.

[vale steeple]

Havent listening this freaking piano music for a long time, FO4 cameo when

[silk cape]

What abominations have the enclave unleashed this time?

[tidal kraken]

No Khan Country is the area near-where Lucy was in.

[lavish lance]

Looks at west Virginia

[distant jay]

Wilzig, apparently.

[high shuttle]

That stretch of land between Shady and Boneyard?

[mortal sequoia]

All of that war with the legion only to be captured and used as showcase for his daughter

[silk cape]

So a dog then

[distant jay]

No. Wilzig himself.

[tidal kraken]

It's unclear the exact location, im just taking what June said at face value. She didn't really give us specifics, just the areas where Lucy traveled.

[silk cape]

Mans dead

[tidal kraken]

Lucy didn't go towards or near Boneyard, i don't think.

[distant jay]

All of LA is the Boneyard.

[high shuttle]

I mean we could just assume she meant areas the Khans normally raid
And like, the NCR is much more susceptible a raider problem

[hollow sluice]

Unity 2

[tidal kraken]

I hope to fuck not. lol
Give me something more unique, with more interesting characters

[high shuttle]

Yeah no the Boneyard is all of LA
There's a downtown part which also takes on the name of the Boneyard but that's because it is Downtown LA

[balmy pike]

Ghe ghoul is so tuff

[hollow sluice]

Unity 3 then

[tidal kraken]

[hollow sluice]

Unity: New Vegas

[silk cape]

I mean the unity reforming as a refuge for the mutated is not a bad idea

[tidal kraken]

Hmmm.

[vale steeple]

THE ENCLAVE IS STILL ALIVE!! And they going war against them?! tf?

[topaz marsh]

the supermutant is only one time apperance no unity no more super mutants

[tidal kraken]

I would prefer new stuff though, like I said, having a unique faction built off of something else would be nice. Not reusing the Unity.

[high shuttle]

Back to my point however
We can assume Adytum and Downtown is still NCR territory?

[silk cape]

The way i put it only reused the name

[mortal sequoia]

Maybe something similar like utobitha from New Vegas where there is a single influential mutant and led a group of supermutans

[vale steeple]

I wonder if that Super Mutant was there when Unity happened

Could't wait how internet having a meltdown of this appereance

[silk cape]

So since wilzig is pre war i have a theory he was originally art of moldovers research team on cold fusion before vault tec acquired it and as an enclave member was kept about

[barren carbon]

Enclave incoming

[silk cape]

Does that sound plausible

[vale steeple]

omg

[tidal kraken]

It's possible, the question is more of the fact we don't know how much the NCR has pulled out/away from their territories.

[silk cape]

Like wilzig may have even been co-scientist on cold fusion just less politically inclined

[mortal sequoia]

After eps 6, I really skeptical about the survival of the NCR. The way the narrative goes kinda suggest that everything in the wasteland just becoming a playground for the Enclave and Vault Tec

[worldly rune]

they look great in show

[high shuttle]

||Don't see the leaks yet the surprise is for later||

[worldly rune]

im intrigued to see how the enclave scientist is explained to have been around this long, as well as mol daver

[silk cape]

The enclave i am curious what they are currently doing

[worldly rune]

like did everyone hop in cryo?

[silk cape]

I am starting to think they were both part of the cold fusion team

[worldly rune]

we're also still waiting on another appearance from legate and harkness, with legate being confirmed but harkness being a wildcard

[silk cape]

Isn’t harkness dead

[worldly rune]

yeah but u rly think they got that A list mf for 30 mins of screentime? hes likely a synth imo

unless they genuinely just wanted a funny throwaway, but i personally think he's synth undercover for institute or enclave

[silk cape]

I believe moldover may have only lost her research due to being to altrustic

[vale steeple]

If Hank could brainwash people with control device implant, could he use it on Super Mutant and Deathclaw

[mortal sequoia]

The bear still has one head

[snow lark]

so Wilzig knew Moldaver, or had atleast contacts because he wanted to meet her and both were prewar
Moldaver is the one who made the cold fusion, right?

[slate walrus]

what if moldover is an enclave agent that was just maniipulating cooper

[silk cape]

Well maybe not alone i think wilzig may have been her assistant or on her research team

Would explain given both were pre war how he was able to work on it and perfect it

[dawn flicker]

So woody is dead isn’t he

[silk cape]

Most likely

Though given steph is kinda unhinged suprised she didn’t make a coat out of him

[distant jay]

Maybe he is her wedding dress.

[silk cape]

Nah there is clips of her in that curious why she even wants to be married given she don’t give two fucks about chet or her kid

[vale steeple]

So I found out this dude voice by Ron Pearlman

the narrator of Fallout

[dawn flicker]

Oh my god

Yea that super mutant is definitely part or was of enclave

They keep pushing the narrative that enclave is coming back

[royal temple]

the super mutant is courier 6

[dawn flicker]

Cause how would a random super mutant know about the enclaves unless he was one

Not to mention also being smart

[distant jay]

Or he is Charlie.

[mortal sequoia]

And probably he is one of the prime normal, a human that has not been exposed to wasteland radiation

[dawn flicker]

Him?

Wouldn’t he be dead or a ghoul not a super mutant

[vale steeple]

Imagine all the narrator we listening playing Fallout was the Super Mutant as Ron Perlman all along wandering the wasteland for 200 years, either he's the prominent character in Fallout or just the new character

or could be Charlie

[dawn flicker]

What if they just decide to confirm frank horrigan isn’t dead and this is him

[proud cedar]

What if Mr. House in the upcoming trailer scenes is a fusion of Yes Man and House? Yes Man essentially just parrots all of House's plans anyway, though the player isn't obligated to follow them.

[vale steeple]

Or maybe another Frank Horrigan

I mean no its not Frank Horrigan

[dawn flicker]

Could just be frank he he survived due to suepr mutant abilities

[vale steeple]

Frank Horrigan is Super Mutant Behemoth size

[dawn flicker]

He lost his legs

[vale steeple]

so no

[dawn flicker]

He could of stole new ones but from a shorter super mutant, would explain why he’s body is so slump

[vale steeple]

Bro died at the explosion of oil rig

[dawn flicker]

It’s Bethesda

[vale steeple]

And because of that, no reason for Frank Horrigan alive

[distant jay]

Not necessarily.

[proud cedar]

Frank Horrigan but with a Mr. Handy hover thing.

[dawn flicker]

Other Fallout Role: Also voiced the mutant Marcus in Fallout 2 and Fallout: New Vegas.

Idk

I’m just throwing theories and thinking

[tidal kraken]

Or, or, hear me out - it's simply a New character ~

Probably unrelated to the games, or other characters outside of him having knowledge that the Enclave is responsible. Still, playable ghouls are gonna be a thing in FO5, that's almost a given.
So this new mutant could be part of a newer faction that's pro-mutant/ghoul and anti-ncr/anti-enclave

[dawn flicker]

Mm

[tidal kraken]

Mutants viewing the ghouls as kin is something touched up in FO3, it's not necessarily new but building a whole new faction on that idea is something we haven't seen before and would be really nice.

[dawn flicker]

Wait

We got some options

It’s def not tabitha

[proud cedar]

It's the BDSM super mutant from Fallout 2.

Francis.

[dawn flicker]

Think it’s Marcus or davison

[tidal kraken]

half of that list is eliminated simply due to the fact that he's not a Nightkin. Marcus would never do a 180 on his personality. Neil seemed disinterested in factions?

[proud cedar]

Mean Sonofabitch was barely capable of speech.

[snow lark]

i doubt it's someone we have met before.

[dawn flicker]

Mm well time to wait a week

[vapid pumice]

Probaly just some random mutant

[vapid pumice]

I thought it was a mothman at first

[dawn flicker]

I thought it was a intelligent deathclaw

[proud cedar]

It's Sticky after FEV.

[vapid pumice]

I did when I heard the growling then I saw his clothes and went straight to mothman

[silk cape]

What happens to a ghoul dipped in fev

[vapid pumice]

Probably mutant

[proud cedar]

Goris would've made more sense, in terms of him having a grudge with the Enclave.

[vapid pumice]

Anyways time to play 76 for the first time

[silk cape]

Properly or npt

[dawn flicker]

I was hoping it was Goris

Not a super mutant, had my hopes up till I saw the meat bag and his face