EPISODE 7

[errant dune]

And her plan is to what?

[limber egret]

Someone was cast as a HUAC (House of Un-American Activities Committee) Agent, so probably the Enclave ties up loose ends by branding Cooper a pinko

[leaden furnace]

Thaddeus isn’t turning into Harold, I think the point is that he’ll just be a unique FEV mutant

[mortal ledge]

He's definitely something.

[silver falcon]

Thaddeus just has radiation poisoning

[proud mason]

Great find whaaaaat

[mortal ledge]

Radiation doesn't make you grow a second mouth though.

[errant dune]

When I say Thaddeus is a Harold, I mean he's just a different type of mutant

[leaden furnace]

[small flicker]

why didn’t he just try some radaway!

is he stupid

[silver falcon]

he is 🤣

[errant dune]

Lifts up his shirt and he has a tiny baby hand

[silver falcon]

ignore him living through a neck injury

[limber egret]

Would be nice if Thaddeus gets a peaceful life, maybe they find that Mutant sanctuary the Super Mutant talked about

[tardy horizon]

he is growing mouths on his shoulder

[silver falcon]

Have you never had a mouth on your shoulder

[small flicker]

disregarded

[mortal ledge]

No.

[tardy horizon]

[floral shoal]

hes just gonna be Master 2.0 by the end of the series

[leaden furnace]

If that was meant to be FEV though I am curious how that dealer got his hands on it lmao. Not like there’s really any sources left, unless he explored whatever remains of Mariposa.

[silver falcon]

Ya cuz u dont have radiation poisoning

[limber egret]

Probably the ruins of Mariposa

[velvet cobalt]

But with child slaves instead of supermutants

[mortal ledge]

Radiation poisoning doesn't make you grow extra mouths.

[tardy horizon]

i think thaddeus got FEV'd, odds are he will end up with the super mutants later on as a cute doggo/centaur doing centaur things

[errant dune]

I don't think the dealer actually knew it was FEV

[visual echo]

Felt like retribution because I'm a Canadian

[tardy horizon]

or they use thaddeus as a method to introduce some sort of de-FEV'ing later on in the show

[silver falcon]

im gonna drop this cuz i dont think u realize im joking

[proud mason]

I think he might centaur doggo sadly

[frigid sinew]

So Is that the last US president or the one that Is impeached?

[errant dune]

They already showed that in FO4

[tardy horizon]

we dont know yet.

[silver falcon]

i refuse to believe thats dick dickson from fo2

[mortal ledge]

This episode made me legitimately hate Canada.

[errant dune]

Virgil developed an anti supermutant serum

[tardy horizon]

that was specific to virgil, it wasnt a all around cure

[velvet cobalt]

Thadius next frank horrigan

[spark lark]

Thaddeus is becoming a centaur

[mortal ledge]

All of a sudden, I'm fine with "Nate the Rake" now. That wasn't on my 2026 Bingo card.

[limber egret]

Nate was a hero, we just couldn't see it

[velvet cobalt]

What

[frigid sinew]

Dick Richardson Is not the last US president?

[spark lark]

Nate "if they're Canadian they aren't human" the rake

[median tulip]

weird thing for the show runners to make a big deal out of

[velvet cobalt]

Nate the war criminal

[spark lark]

Because it's not

[proud mason]

Dog

[limber egret]

Shame they couldn't get Malcolm McDowell

[silver falcon]

DOGGOOOO

[median tulip]

good dog

[mortal ledge]

No. Dick Richardson is the President in Fallout 2. The President here is... shit, I don't know his name. But it isn't "Penis Cockboy."

[leaden furnace]

Next episode will be Harper taking FEV and going beast mode on 32

[median tulip]

next episode Lucy will wake up from her dream then she’ll walk into Vegas and meet Mr house

[small flicker]

hope she kills all of them too

[limber egret]

I think she takes a vaccine for it, save herself as everyone else turns

[errant dune]

Does Hoover Dam power Vegas/Lucky 38?

[spark lark]

I think so because before he got the FEV his smashed foot was licked by dogmeat, meaning his DNA is in there

[velvet cobalt]

We should build a big beuatiful wall to keep the legionaries out
And deport all the bulls
-donald kimball

[median tulip]

yes

[small flicker]

oh shes gonna poison the water supply huh

[frigid sinew]

That Is what I thought

[leaden furnace]

When it was operational yes. The Lucky 38 does have its own reactor though.

[silver falcon]

speaking of hoover dam, did they even show it so far??

[spark lark]

Nope

[proud mason]

No

[leaden furnace]

Definitely

[errant dune]

Maybe it got damaged in the final battle and couldn't be repaired

[small flicker]

not even a mention i dont think

[silver falcon]

Damn, thats sad

[mortal ledge]

It's not important to the narrative so no.

[median tulip]

that’s what I assume.. although it’s confusing to me how free side is a bustling community if the dam isn’t operational

[silver falcon]

Still atleast a mention or a picture of it in the outro credits would be nice

[leaden furnace]

I’d expect a name drop next episode if House drops a lot of exposition to catch Coop up on what happened since NV

[small flicker]

we got primm slim so we up

[mortal ledge]

I hope so too. Also, I hope he mentions a courier that helped him upgrade his armies before disappearing.

[silver falcon]

And fisto 😭

[spark lark]

I'd be surprised if house actually brings up the courier considering that apparently it's canon they delivered the chip and fucked off

[small flicker]

Fully Integrated Security Technetronic Officer active and reporting for duty

[silver falcon]

Our headcanon anyways

[frigid sinew]

I don't think the House Computer version know what happened, I think he Is Just a back up from before the war?

[limber egret]

Honestly pretty based on the Courier's part

[mortal ledge]

I still think it's actually ambiguous (intentionally) what all the Courier did after delivering the Chip to House.

[leaden furnace]

Yeah the Freeside situation is odd. Not optimistic it’ll be elaborated on either but idk.

[heavy gorge]

Spongebob me boy Plankton stole me Secret Cold Fusion

[mortal ledge]

"But it's in your pocket, Mr. Krabbs!"

[errant dune]

Ho ho ho Coop you activated my trap card, for it is I Anthony House

[limber egret]

Someone took a couple ranks of Science! and built a power generator

[mortal ledge]

No. Bad dog. Sit down.

[leaden furnace]

Perhaps there’s records in the Lucky 38’s system left by the biological House.

[median tulip]

canon ending is actually the courier siding with Elijah

The cloud will come and murder everyone in the Mojave

[errant dune]

Tell me a horror miniseries about that wouldn't be fun to watch

[velvet cobalt]

When will the minutemen come and save the day already

[mortal ledge]

It's also possible that House was keeping the computer version updated via the computer interface helmet he was wearing.

[spark lark]

I wonder how the brotherhood civil wars doing

[silver falcon]

A miniseries of an NCR soldier stuck in sierra madre after he gets lost from his battallion

[leaden furnace]

Not expecting to see more of them this season ngl

[velvet cobalt]

I wonder if maxon will intervene

[mortal ledge]

Just like every other civil war, it's not pretty.

[leaden furnace]

Maybe at the very end as a teaser for next season

[spark lark]

Who do you think will win?

[floral shoal]

im still kinda in shock at Welchs fate, like goddamn the games had some dark shit but this actually left me with my mouth open

[mortal ledge]

Maxson, for sure.

[leaden furnace]

Quintus is definitely not dying off screen

[errant dune]

The BoS

[limber egret]

I'm still thinking we'll see Brotherhood vs Legion vs NCR next episode

[median tulip]

he’s gonna come back in the final episode and be a part of the legion

[errant dune]

I know right the teaser next week has some more of her

[mortal ledge]

My money is on Maxson winning, IF the Commonwealth gets involved.

[silver falcon]

The commonwealth BoS

[leaden furnace]

Based. Finally a BoS-Legion alliance

[floral shoal]

Xander didn't report back so regardless the Commonwealth is gonna show up one way or another

doubt Maxson will personally show up tho much as i would like him to

[tardy horizon]

there are no playable canon endings ❤️ say it with me

[mortal ledge]

I mean, the Prydwen never goes anywhere without him, per Danse. And the Prydwen did apparently show up just to drop off troops and orders to the Knights of San Fernando in S1E1 before fucking off.

[median tulip]

no I will not!

[lime cradle]

heh poor Thadius... guy just needs hand and gets left behind instead 😉

[silver falcon]

the canon ending is actually the courier delivering the chip and returning to goodsprings, chilling with easy pete for the rest of his life

[limber egret]

That was the Caswennan

[leaden furnace]

I’ve been told that the Prydwen in season 1 was just a production error and it’s meant to be the Casowenn

[median tulip]

easy Pete turns into difficult Pete and murders everyone

[real scroll]

Honestly the courier has no narrative reason to help out any of the factions at all anyway

[floral shoal]

Thaddeus is totally going to grow a tentacle arm isn't he

[silver falcon]

absolute. cinema.

[real scroll]

It just does because....well there's no game otherwise

[leaden furnace]

Quintus was brought to the base via the airship so it seems to be his in S1

[mortal ledge]

No, apparently that WAS the Prydwen. The Caswennan is the one we see in S1E8 and onward. I got this info from Ajax, who got it from showrunner interviews, but he wouldn't link the interviews.

[errant dune]

You're right ideally they get paid, then goes back to the Mojave courier post for another job

[real scroll]

Like the only one that kinda makes sense is House just because he offers more money for more jobs

[leaden furnace]

Working for House comes with a lot of money and a nice suite, so that’s something

[lime cradle]

who knows what he is turning into. He def aint no ghoul. They don't get a mouth on their shoulder. Def not no super mutant. So he could be turning into something new we never seen before

[sudden sand]

Clancy brown as the Great War president and Ron pearlman as a supermutant , are inspired choices

[leaden furnace]

Otherwise it’s just ideological reasons, which is part of the rp

[small flicker]

bring back the mutant

[velvet cobalt]

He runs away and goes to the sierra modre

[real scroll]

Honestly I dont know why its a big deal to see the President. Its not like he's Dick Richardson

[mortal ledge]

That's where my money is, at least until proven otherwise.

[errant dune]

NGL I'm sad the president wasn't JK Simmons

[mortal ledge]

Because the President is part of the Enclave.

[real scroll]

Harold and the Master have new company

[spark lark]

Nah next season Nate the rake will execute him on screen

[sudden sand]

At the very least this confirmed the most up to date pre nuke scenes are further than 6 months before the nukes

[lime cradle]

cuz yeah nothing in previous fallout games had the victim losing limbs like that

[sudden sand]

Becuase the president was on the oil rig 6 months pre nuking

[real scroll]

Uh actually yeah patchwork

[median tulip]

probably because he now has access to the Lucky 38 and platinum chip and every major faction in the Mojave has a massive hard on for him

[errant dune]

Unless it's not the president

[lime cradle]

patchwork?

[real scroll]

He says his limbs repeatedly fall off

[sudden sand]

I think it is

[silver falcon]

he'd be such a good dick dickson actor im ngl

[real scroll]

Ghoul in Underworld

[sudden sand]

I kid a feel like this is semi confirmation he’s turning into a centaur

[mortal ledge]

Ghoul you can talk to in Underworld in Fallout 3. He mentions his limbs keep falling off and getting re-attached by Underworld's ghoul doctor.

[real scroll]

Yeah but then he also has to be bootleg disney's bitch now until the end of time

[errant dune]

He'd certainly bring a more menacing aspect to the character than what we see in FO2

[leaden furnace]

If the courier helps House win he gets a cushy retirement. Good motivation imo.

[lime cradle]

ah I haven't played fallout 3, the graphics were just... dated for me. Cuz I was going from Fallout 4 to Fallout 3 and just couldn't do it

[spark lark]

I hope we go to somewhere new in season 3, I'd love to see other states we haven't seen in game

[sudden sand]

Thaddeus’s limbs probably can’t be reattached

[real scroll]

Shame I love the aesthethics of 3

[spark lark]

You'll benefit from the remaster then

[sudden sand]

The connection point to the shoulder is shriveled and the most necrotised, that won’t heal

[real scroll]

I actually love the 3-NV era's kinda janky aesthethic

[leaden furnace]

Ofc there’s Yes Man as well, which entails the same thing more or less but with more personal power

[velvet cobalt]

Shii gambeling
Retierment
And woonen
Count me in foe the gambeling

[silver falcon]

the FEV doesnt turn people into ghouls though, it turns them into mutants

[spark lark]

Same, especially for 3, it adds aesthetic that I enjoy about it

[real scroll]

Yeah but its a lot of work

[median tulip]

every ending gets the courier a pretty good selfish ending except for the NCR (unless he’s a good boy)

[sudden sand]

So are we thinking house being able to emote is a soft retcon. Or that he’s now fully dead and an ai

[errant dune]

The Metro Mega Dungeon is amazing in FO3

[spark lark]

Fully dead, he's AI now

[median tulip]

I’d say house being powered by cold fusion flips everything on its head

[sudden sand]

I wouldn’t really mind if they retconned it so he could emote in nv. Because it doesn’t really make sense that he couldn’t given he’s completely hooked in

[mortal ledge]

Yeah, I know. But apparently at least some ghouls do have issues with their limbs randomly falling off, is the point.

[leaden furnace]

Just let Yes Man run things while you sit back and relax

[tardy horizon]

they pretty much implied it the moment they introduced his double.

[silver falcon]

fair

[errant dune]

I think soft retcon and technology improving over 15 to be able to animate his face without it being weird

[spark lark]

It's not a retcon if it's hardware limitations

[tardy horizon]

they also set up the entire "ai house" bit as a workaround for house potentially being killed post-NV

[errant dune]

Well he did say he wanted to be digitized

[sudden sand]

I mean it kinda is, that’s how retcons work. It’s not a bad thing

[median tulip]

retcons can definitely be a bad thing

[errant dune]

So I think the state we see him in NV isn't ideal

[silver falcon]

i wish his face wasnt animated to be honest, its too goofy

[tardy horizon]

its not really a retcon per say - more an expansion of the lore, etc.

[leaden furnace]

Yeah I just took it as a soft retcon, nothing else.

[mortal ledge]

Yeah. Again, they're keeping the "canon" ending to NV ambiguous so that everyone else can headcanon their ending and still have it work for the show.

[tardy horizon]

no worse than updated PA visuals for 4/76

[sudden sand]

Like, yes, we now have the tech to do to compeltely non uncannily. But new Vegas never implies it’s anything but by design.

[median tulip]

design retcons don’t really matter for the most part

[velvet cobalt]

Mmm gambeling

[floral shoal]

anyways i love that the show is diving into canada lore, even if its just a little bit

[tardy horizon]

they do that for every single game and just hint at certain world happenings, its always been ambigious

[sudden sand]

So if that changes for new Vegas game timescale house, that is a retcon. But it’s not bad

[spark lark]

The sad part about all this good writing

Is Emile is gonna be in charge of fallout 5s writing so it'll be awful

[real scroll]

Yeah but you gotta meet people and be diplomatic

[sudden sand]

It’s a good retcon in this case, and works better for the show.

[mortal ledge]

Bethesda does. Interplay didn't. They actually laid out the canon playthrough of Fallout 1 in FO2's manual.

[tardy horizon]

it doesnt, really.

it just adds another angle for it.

[median tulip]

I’d say…. decent… maybe okay writing

[silver falcon]

you mean let yes man order you around, basically turning you into his slave

"more assertive" 😭

[tardy horizon]

i dont count interplays canon since they no longer hold the IP, it's bethesda's canon now, they havent hinted at any "canon" endings since .. well, ever.

[leaden furnace]

I’d be Yes Man’s slave

[median tulip]

that’s a big L

[mortal ledge]

And then there's Fallout 4, which implies the BOS ending to FO3 is the canon one. But, really, that's fine. Siding with the Enclave is just...

[leaden furnace]

Even without the vault dweller manual FO2’s story basically hard confirms what 1’s endings are

[median tulip]

you have to side with the bos in fallout 3

[spark lark]

He's the reason fallout 4s main story sucks

[leaden furnace]

For the most part. Only a few points are left ambiguous

[real scroll]

I mean factions didnt exist until NV

[lime cradle]

if there is a remaster then yeah I will get it

[mortal ledge]

Like how the Vault Dweller killed the Master.

[sudden sand]

Endings as a concept is the wrong way to think about it

[velvet cobalt]

Who wins in the commonwealth?
What ya guys think?

[real scroll]

There was always just main ending and like non canon bad ending in every game before then

[sudden sand]

Events happened. They don’t necessarily have to be exactly as shown in each playthrough

[silver falcon]

dont mess with us fallout fans we blindly worship the ideologies that the games are criticizing

[sudden sand]

Only that the enclave didn’t win purity. The Bos beat them.

Anything else could happen in between 2 and the enclave getting butfucked for the 8th time

[leaden furnace]

You shouldn’t be able to side with the Enclave because they’re fascist headass

[mortal ledge]

And survived to reach 2287. Can't do that if you use the orbital laser to eliminate the Citadel.

[median tulip]

god forbid a man want to be evil in a video game

[tardy horizon]

it doesnt though.

it establishes that project purity was completed - yes.

It doesnt mention anything about who completed it, etc. thats more waht im referring to.

[silver falcon]

role fits

[sudden sand]

People are being too hardassed about ENDINGS , forgetting that there has to be specific endings for a game

[tardy horizon]

same thing with the wasteland survival guide being in NV - we know moira finished it since its in NV, we dont know how it happened, nor is it confirmed

[median tulip]

oh no I like a video game faction!!! the horror!!

[spark lark]

Institute: slavery with extra steps and "we're actually the good guys by murdering and stopping governments forming"

The railroad: .... less said the better honestly

Minutemen: another settlement that can kiss my ass but god damnit Garvey's actually a good character, they're a fine faction fucked by radiant quests

The brotherhood: they're now racist against mutants

[silver falcon]

i didnt say anything, jesus 😭

[sudden sand]

They’ve ways been racist against mutants lol

[placid shale]

The house won

[silent scarab]

Nothing wrong with liking the legion, just unironically supporting them or thinking they are good

[sudden sand]

The only group that isn’t got exiled and is actually the coolest fucking chapter

[median tulip]

I’m very on edge

[tardy horizon]

bethesda makes certain world events canon, like finishing project purity, etc, but there isnt any playable canon endings or canon playthroughs because you dont play the canon playthrough - you play alternative outcomes of the narrative in the setting.

thats not connected to whatever bethesda decides is the bethesda canon.

[mortal ledge]

Rightfully so, too.

[rapid wigeon]

Thinking about it

Enclave having the Cold Fusion all along and was the one ended the World gave Fallout infinite excuse how Enclave always come back in this Franchise

[sudden sand]

They have their own Goris who’s a master strategist

[leaden furnace]

Fallout 3 if it was good

[sudden sand]

Unfortunately because the Midwest is so fucking cool.
They’ll never be canon

[mortal ledge]

That's not a good ending.

[leaden furnace]

It’s a great one yeah

[real scroll]

Oh god....you turned him into BUSH

[mortal ledge]

No, it's a horrible ending.

[median tulip]

megaton is holding weapons of mass destruction

[sudden sand]

It’s funny how bush is like, good comparatively nowadays. How did that happen

[silver falcon]

hes not a bumbling moron.. mostly

[real scroll]

The bar got lowered into tartarus

[median tulip]

he was a really shitty president idk what you’re talking about

[silver falcon]

also hes likeable and charismatic, compared to other people..

[sudden sand]

We are literally living in an onion article these days

[silent scarab]

He’s pretty stupid just far above what’s expected now

[mortal ledge]

Yeah, by Biden.

[silent scarab]

Sure pal

[silver falcon]

isnt there like a rule against politics

[median tulip]

hasn’t been a good president since 2000

[real scroll]

I feel this is getting off topic

[silent scarab]

16

[leaden furnace]

Saying this about an Autumn presidency is very not cool!

[real scroll]

We're taking about over the top cartoon presidents not presidents that are over the top cartoons

[sudden sand]

Give me my Midwest chapter goddamit

[rapid wigeon]

I think President Tandi is the WORST US president

[silver falcon]

ITS MISSING THE CAPE!!

[mortal ledge]

The Enclave should never run anything ever again.

[sudden sand]

NO CAPES

[tardy horizon]

[silver falcon]

YES CAPES

[tardy horizon]

ya'll are too off topic

hit up #fallout_general

[real scroll]

That NCR power armor tho

[median tulip]

we’re talking about fallout lore presidents like George bush and Barack Obama

[sudden sand]

Wait is the Midwest chapter canon now technically.

[mortal ledge]

I loved the NCR power armor.

[sudden sand]

The map quintus has while being hilariously wrong, has tactics locations

[tardy horizon]

kay, hit up #news_and_discussion for real life political discussions and #fallout_general for topics not related to this episode in that case, sound better?

[mortal ledge]

It hasn't not been, just the actual events of Tactics are up in the air. We do know there's a chapter out there that's MIA and traveled there in airships.

[median tulip]

yeah thanks

[velvet cobalt]

Nuh uh

[tardy horizon]

awesome

[rapid wigeon]

If Enclave has unlimited power which they can support the Star Forge machine-like in Fallout. How would you defeat them for good

[leaden furnace]

We are Colonel Autumn
We carry the flame
We fight for the Enclave
We honor his name

[sudden sand]

Get lots of goris’s

[tardy horizon]

you let them try to tweak their on-base AI, that wipes them out pretty easily and recurringly

[sudden sand]

Gorisi , idk what’s the plural for multiple goris

[mortal ledge]

Gorises.

[leaden furnace]

There’s only one Goris, and there will only ever be one Goris

[velvet cobalt]

Ewww

[mortal ledge]

He's muh boi.

[sudden sand]

Gonna be real here tho I think we will get intelligent deathclaws sometime soon

[rapid wigeon]

Yeah but assuming they have Star Forge machine-like which can create infinite AI and infinite resources for Enclave. They can always come back

[sudden sand]

The deathclaw design was rather deliberately made more dog like in the face. More emotive

[real scroll]

Yeah and the S'Lanter are gonna come back in Fallout 5

[tardy horizon]

they always come back, they also always get wiped out either by outside or internal influences

[mortal ledge]

They're already intelligent. Do you mean "talking?"

[sudden sand]

Shut

[tardy horizon]

like, the enclave are comic book tier villains - multiple cells got wiped out due to their own stupidity

... a teenager wiped them out on two occassions aswell.

[real scroll]

Technically they were young adults

[sudden sand]

Anyone else feel like we should have played 3 as the father

[rapid wigeon]

Bruh. They need new Villain in Fallout 5 💔

[real scroll]

No

[mortal ledge]

That's basically the plot of 4.

[rapid wigeon]

That’s what Fallout 4 is like to me

[sudden sand]

It’s a bit uh, suspension of disbelief to think a teenager would even survive an hour let alone months , against all the lone wanderer did

[mortal ledge]

4 is still better though because it has multiple endings like NV.

[real scroll]

He's built different

[mortal ledge]

Lone Wanderer was 19.

[real scroll]

Also the Vault Dweller did and argueably worse

[sudden sand]

Yeah and have you met 19 year olds

Nate the rake at least has marine experience

[mortal ledge]

I was one, once.

[velvet cobalt]

I hope the mm are making the bos lose the commonwealth

[mortal ledge]

Why?

[real scroll]

The MM when Big Crab shows up

[sudden sand]

Everything returns to crab

[mortal ledge]

If anything the MM and BOS are probably working together.

[real scroll]

But tbf it is unfair since they had to fight Big Centipede the year before

[lost stream]

God Bless The Enclave

[mortal ledge]

BOS focuses on tech acquisition and mutant extermination, MM focuses on being the real heroes by helping settlements.

[velvet cobalt]

Eh more funny ig

[real scroll]

https://images.fallout.wiki/7/7f/FORPGWOA_Creature_Gigapede_03.webp

[velvet cobalt]

Bos when artillery shows up

[mortal ledge]

The fuck is "ig?"

[leaden furnace]

Minutemen should have canonically been brought back by Nate and once he left they get killed off by the Gunners again

[real scroll]

I guess

[velvet cobalt]

You guess what?

[real scroll]

Chicken Butt

[sudden sand]

Oh btw this episode confirmed the courier got Mr house his snow globes

[velvet cobalt]

no... me no like so not cannon

[mortal ledge]

I did see a Hoover Dam snow globe, yeah.

[sudden sand]

A guy who made replicas was asked to deliver a bunch to the actual set a year ago and one is seen in houses desk

Courier six side quests confirmed

[real scroll]

Why does House pay twice as much for a snowglobe than the Platinum Chip

[sudden sand]

Gosh forbid a man not have his snow globes

[mortal ledge]

To be fair, we only know for certain that House got the Hoover Dam snow globe.

[real scroll]

I mean Fisto is canon

[velvet cobalt]

Cs you cant shake the chip to make it snow

[mortal ledge]

Valid.

[sudden sand]

The spirit of Nate the rake overtook the v32 dwellers

[mortal ledge]

32*

[sudden sand]

Hearing she killed woody and is part of a conspiracy. I sleep

Hearing she’s Canadian - lynching time

[mortal ledge]

"She's 200 years old and Canadian!"

[upper shard]

if this episode was crazy i can’t imagine how insane the last episode will be

[sudden sand]

I’m thinking the salvaged power armour suit we see is modded to kill deathclaws

[real scroll]

So is Woody just a bunch of carved out meat chunks in the incinerator or you think he was first in line to be mutated

[mortal ledge]

If Woody's a super mutant, pour one out for the homie before we kill the abomination he was turned into.

[sudden sand]

There’s a lot of like, extra stuff added on to break up the surface. Which would make it harder for a deathclaw to bite down fully. And the arm claws help in hand to hand combat

[real scroll]

Honestly I really dont get why the three vaults are getting mutated? Aren't they supposed to be pivotal for Vault-Tecs surface resurgence?

[sterile coral]

Though first, he’d deserve first dibs on tearing Stephanie limb from limb.

[leaden furnace]

NCR making power armor specifically to clear out Quarry Junction ofc

[mortal ledge]

Fair. I'd allow that.

[mortal ledge]

And for rangers, naturally.

[velvet cobalt]

I love the armor
Ncr ranger poweramor unit

[mortal ledge]

Coop rocking this bad boy also wasn't on my Bingo Card.

[leaden furnace]

The idea is probably that FEV would make the population powerful enough to clear out the surface. Not sure how the fertility issues play into all of this though.

[real scroll]

Yeah...doesnt seem like a great plan

[velvet cobalt]

The last minute mentioned

[sterile coral]

No one ever said Vault-Tec had brain cells.

[real scroll]

At least Vault 87 was turned at the last second to an FEV expiriment

[velvet cobalt]

Who deleted my heavy rangers comment

[real scroll]

Here there's like plans and phases and shit

[sterile coral]

Half their experiments might as well be shit Mengele and Lysenko would’ve cooked up back in the day.

[velvet cobalt]

A vault where all the food is mixed with laxitived

[desert vessel]

I dont think they realized it made the mutants infertile, not even the master realized it until the vault dweller tells him

[leaden furnace]

I’m sure the final message will be that all of this is dumb and pointless as it is with most vaults

[sudden sand]

The gauss not even Taking the deathclaw out in 4 charged shots is hella accurate too

[mortal ledge]

And then has to confirm with one of the female mutants.

[real scroll]

1. Thaw out Managers from Vault 31 and engineer crisis to keep power
2. Use the vault citzens as loyal breedstock for a surface population
3. Randomly turn everyone to mutant shrek abominations
   4......
4. Profit

[leaden furnace]

The Master knew that the original FEV strain made mutants infertile, it’s why he made FEV-2. Zax was also aware of this at West Tek iirc.

[sudden sand]

It seemed like the deathclaw coop was shooting was just gonna keep going if max didn’t cut its head off

[desert vessel]

ahh gotcha gotcha

[leaden furnace]

Very little chance VT didn’t know about the fertility issues

[mortal ledge]

But FEV-2 still made mutants infertile.

[real scroll]

if FEV was so good why was there no FEV 2

[sudden sand]

Did anyone else catch that the deathclaws after max kills one. Start wailing

[real scroll]

Also I never got this from the first game

[leaden furnace]

Because the Master was misled by his science team. He believed he fixed the problem.

[real scroll]

So like did the Master never once try to breed his mutants the whole time or did he somehow miss that they don't got peners no more

[sudden sand]

It was a different sound to the normal sounds they make, it was higher pitched and sounded more like an animal grieving

[velvet cobalt]

.50 bmg

[mortal ledge]

No, they do. They just don't work.

[leaden furnace]

One piece of dialogue implies it may have been possible that the mutants bred at one point but they can’t anymore, perhaps due to FEV mutating. Not sure how this fits into Bethesda lore though.

[flint jacinth]

Just finished the episode, I thought Yesman would appear at the ending, because there is a dead securitron in front of the mrhouse screen. bruh

[real scroll]

So do the lady mutants still have Vages? Cause like either way the Master should've figured it out a lot earlier

[sterile coral]

Same, the fact that Securitron looked remarkably intact with their screen not smashed certainly was an interesting detail though.

[silver falcon]

@flint jacinth same 🤣

[sudden sand]

Some new Vegas lore might fit in here

[leaden furnace]

Yeah, they should still have their genitalia, at least when the Master pulled them out of the Vats. It’s a bit contrived but 1’s explanation for the Master not knowing is that the Master became reclusive and left most of the management to his Lieutenants, who actively lied to him about the fertility issues out of fear or other reasons.

[sudden sand]

The yes man ending has us deliver something to him. A chip of some kind. Could that be houses ai imprint

A contingency in case he dies and yes man takes over. To have him take over yes man

[silent scarab]

The chip also being house ai is very possible ngl

[flint jacinth]

because I side with yesman at my first FNV ending in the game

[sterile coral]

Also, I found it funny how Coop was able to just push a button to get into the 38. Like, did no one else after the War including the NCR not see that button?

[sudden sand]

Now it’s canon that house was considering becoming fully ai it makes more sense

[real scroll]

I just figured his security was offline so it just opened by it

[silent scarab]

House gave cooper access for some reason

[sudden sand]

People may not have even cared or known to

[silent scarab]

I doubt it would have let anyone in, house likely saw this meeting coming

[sudden sand]

These are wastelanders, not exactly the best and brightest

[silent scarab]

Or it detected the cold fusion diode

[leaden furnace]

Wastelanders are stupid and dumb and dirty and should be destroyed!

[sudden sand]

Ok enclave

But yeah, I’ve got 2500 atoms ready to go tonight

That daily refresh better be good to us

[leaden furnace]

Wastelanders are ontologically evil unless they live in the NCR

Re-education camps really doing some work

[sudden sand]

Blackbird elite is my go to pa , but this may actually take the cake as coolest. Just a shame they won’t be able to implement using the suits blades when we melee without a melee weapon or bash

It seems to be an anti deathclaw modification , wonder if other salvaged power armours got a similar treatment but without the greeblies and arm blades

[leaden furnace]

Anyways do we think that super mutant is going to be important at all for the next episode/next season or will he just be a plot device to heal Coop.

[flint jacinth]

i want to see yesman in season 3, i hope he's still safe in the benny room, please todd 🙁

[sudden sand]

He’s a setup for a wider conflict

the enclaves back in force and the mutants are against them. But it’s not Jacob’s town the mutants referring to because everyone knows about that and the other mutant settlement

So there’s clearly a larger group of supermutants ghouls and other mutants (Goris) that are gearing up

[floral shoal]

goddamn the amount of punishment they can endure, bio-weapon indeed

[sudden sand]

I felt bad for it tbh , and the ones after who wailed seeing it die

[velvet cobalt]

Too bad they cant witstand the good old french monarch treatment

[sudden sand]

The death laws have been done so well too

[leaden furnace]

Can’t wait for the reformed Unity to be the good guys next season

[sudden sand]

They’re the best design by far of any fallout media to date

[leaden furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-unity-unity-unity-fallout-unity-day-gif-15829005397383673843

[velvet cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/guillatene-behead-lego-gif-12352396

[sudden sand]

Everything good about the 4 updated design with a more expressive and intimidating head

Absolute units too.

[velvet cobalt]

God i loved the fight

[sudden sand]

It’s kinda funny that coop went to the president thinking he would help. But ended up giving the key to unlimited energy right back to the leader of the enclave

Poor guy really did help end the world even if he didn’t know

[silent scarab]

Why was the deathclaw cannibalizing the other? Territorial dispute? Asserting dominance over the pack?

[sudden sand]

I think they’re being controlled

[leaden furnace]

I can’t imagine they have much food on the Strip

[real scroll]

Honestly I always thought they were willing to cannibalize

[acoustic sentinel]

Season 2 just fan service atp

[sudden sand]

One may have broken free and the other killed it

[real scroll]

Like rival packs

[real scroll]

he hongry

[sudden sand]

They actually aren’t from what we see, they have arigid pack structure and primitive morals

[acoustic sentinel]

Looks like to show its rightful place as leader of pack and hungry

[leaden furnace]

Seems like the implication is that they’re eating each other to survive, which I’m not sure would be viable long term but eh

[sterile coral]

If anything though, that probably saved his ass from getting 'accidented' by the Enclave. Just getting your rep destroyed would be probably them being 'kind'.

[sudden sand]

I think they’ve at least allready shown that they’re probably beign chip controlled

[real scroll]

TBF they are literally bioweapons they're not natural nor have natural instincts

[floral shoal]

also damn Hank you finally remembered you had another damn kid huh

[sudden sand]

Even base level deathclaws are like, super pack loyal, I really doubt it was actively feeding or attacking the other of its own volition

[silent scarab]

I feel like that’s unlikely

Dominance seems more likely for the kill atleast

[leaden furnace]

Sure, I’m just referring to the concept of a pack of them relying on eating each other to survive the Strip, which wouldn’t be viable for long due to a dwindling population. They haven’t shown us anything they could eat besides for the occasional idiot who travels into the Strip.

[sterile coral]

The look on Hank's face if he ever finds out Norm let the 31'ers loose would be priceless.

[velvet cobalt]

Mmm chip

[sudden sand]

Me when I eat the platinum chip in front of tv screen man

[leaden furnace]

Have they mentioned how long ago the deathclaws moved in? Completely forgot.

[sudden sand]

At least a few years

There’s clearly hatched death laws and a lot more than we see. So at least like 4 years to grow from hatchling claw to massive addult

[floral shoal]

their tails are strong as fuck jeez

[sudden sand]

We saw it cleave a tree in half in the 4 Th epsiode

[floral shoal]

breaking a tree in half with a flick, and then launching an entire modified suit of power armor into a solid metal gate and breaking it

they better make it an attack style in Fo5 lol

[sudden sand]

Allready modded 4 to give them 5 more animations

One is a suplex

[zenith cape]

Idk they likely get hungry and end up fighting eachother

winner eats the loser

also the end of the episode likely means house wasnt killed canonically

so it seems the courier didnt side with house but chose to keep him alive instead of killing him

so thats 1 ending down

[leaden furnace]

I’m fairly sure that’s just an AI

[zenith cape]

house needs to be alive to achieve digital immortality.
He didnt have the power to sustain his brain digitally and it cant really scan him if hes dead

[frosty wren]

it's either an ai or we killed bobby apartment in the basement.

[zenith cape]

im more thinking he was left alive since that is a choice in new vegas but he was cut off

and the cold fusion just downloaded his brain pretty much

[quick lodge]

Oh! I think we figured this last night. House likely backed up his consciousness and uploaded it to an AI system. The cold fusion restarts the computer and also powers New Vegas

Giving him full control, yet again

[leaden furnace]

We don’t really know how it works. We know he has the capacity to perform brain scans pre-war, it may just be an issue of powering the construct given the scale of it.

[silent scarab]

The scan could have been done pre war but the power to run the AI needed cold fusion

[sudden sand]

Cooperbob me boy , you found me secret formula

[silent scarab]

This isn’t a Zax this seems to be a perfectly models simulation of a human brain in digital form

[leaden furnace]

I just find it unlikely that they’d set up the AI as a thing and do nothing with it. If House is alive why introduce the AI.

If the excuse is that he’s cut off from the system, how is it performing a brain scan. Etc

[zenith cape]

the point was house wanted to digitize himself.

Even if he got cold fusion while alive he had no plan to stay in his body forever

[halcyon silo]

Chet is Charlie Kirk???

[slow tendon]

we saw the president !!

[halcyon silo]

Titanium doesn’t melt ahh 🥀

[slow tendon]

🥀🥀

[halcyon silo]

He gonna one shot the ghoul in next episode with sniper

[slow tendon]

enclave comeback in episode 8

[zenith cape]

well either way im thinking yes man ending is off the table

[halcyon silo]

I think ghoul gonna die

[slow tendon]

idk

[halcyon silo]

He gonna die to save his family

Why’s someone’s name mentioning house

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[frosty wren]

you seem to have gotten the opposite impression i did.

[halcyon silo]

It’s never lupus

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexternewblood-dextermorgan-gif-24356177

[frosty wren]

damn.

[zenith cape]

NCR was still active until Shady Sands fell post New Vegas and the fort is still intact

i could see the ncr having remnants after yes man but the fort being intact doesnt make too much sense

[frosty wren]

is that not yes man's rotting robotic corpse down there to the right.

or is that a perfectly intact securitron simply on a smoke break.

[slow tendon]

maybe

[zenith cape]

oh damn that may be yeah

[slow tendon]

they have the population support so they just need a leader to reform right now

[zenith cape]

i initially thought it was just one of the securitrons the courier fucks up to reach house

[sterile coral]

Positioning is actually on point if that's the case, and the Securitron in question looks damn near mint condition, no smashed screens or so much as a scuff mark.

[sudden sand]

Never underestimate the power of brand recognition

[zenith cape]

did they kill yes man...

[sterile coral]

Nah, that just happens after Yes Man uploads himself; no use for a Securitron chassis afterwards.

[leaden furnace]

Not sure how Yes Man would’ve been taken out if he plugged into the L38

[zenith cape]

thats 100% Yes Man

[frosty wren]

now you get it good job wee pal.

[zenith cape]

no i mean what happened to his program

[leaden furnace]

Someone must’ve ripped out the copper wires in the lucky 38

[sudden sand]

Gotta love how max is like. ‘am not giving this cold fusion starter to you’ and then coop shows him a sick ass set of power Armour and bro instantly folds

[frosty wren]

me thinks it's smth to do with this.

[sudden sand]

The game accuracy is on point here

[zenith cape]

was about to say that

house had a fail safe that just purged him

[sterile coral]

Still, that doesn't preclude Yes-Man LARP'ing as House to troll Coop or those code snippets overwriting/replacing Yes-Man with an AI brain-scan of House.

[leaden furnace]

Is the idea this code just nuked his consciousness

[quick lodge]

That was another theory too. When Yes Man mentions reprogramming himself to be more assertive, there is a possibility that House had a backup personality in the databanks, Yes Man scanned it, and adopted a House personality.

He seem a lot more cheerful this time round, no?

beat me to it, my bad!

[leaden furnace]

Funny way to take him out. The House always wins

[frosty wren]

maybe, but we still have a whole episode of this show left.

[sterile coral]

Dude even used the word 'chum'; just feels like something House himself would never say.

[zenith cape]

is it possible to not destroy the fort in the yes man ending

[quick lodge]

Im so HYPED HYPED HYPED. Literally gonna rewatch the show until next week

[leaden furnace]

Yeah I clocked that. Very odd verbiage for House.

[leaden furnace]

Yeah if you destroy the Fort bunker.

[sudden sand]

Derek annunciation supremacy

[silent scarab]

The fort could still be destroyed, the camp we see in the show is isn’t on a hill or next to the river

Or seem to be near the dam

[frosty wren]

well tbf it's like 90% chance of being ai house so he might just be a little different than normal human house.

[quick lodge]

He goes “Ah! Well hello, old chum.” The “Ah!” is a way to let someone know youre delighted to see them.

The “old chum” implies camaraderie at some point which, as far as we know, House and Coop did not depart each other on good terms

[zenith cape]

we see a small section of it.

Also a map the Brotherhood has in their new base shows the legion are still at the fort

that map has to be recent since the base has been under sand for 200 years

[silent scarab]

That map is such a mess lol

[zenith cape]

also explains the ghoul heading right to camp golf at first

[silent scarab]

Can’t believe they just ripped it from Reddit

[leaden furnace]

The show makes some notable production mistakes lol

[sterile coral]

Which then begs another question; what if Coop is the Courier?

[quick lodge]

Im all ears

[frosty wren]

probably not.

[quick lodge]

I dont think so

interesting idea though!

[leaden furnace]

The Prydwen appearing in season 1 is meant to be the Caswennan

[silent scarab]

Cooper does seem like he was heavily involved with the NCR sometime before or after fnv

[leaden furnace]

They fixed this in season 2 apparently

[frosty wren]

i think the theory that the snake oil saleman chap that hank reprogrammed is the courier has a better shot of being true than that.

[silent scarab]

He knows a lot about the and he was instantly recognized by the rangers

[limpid perch]

NCR power armor was so sick

[oak agate]

I don’t believe the Courier was a ghoul

[quick lodge]

I thought it wasn’t the Prydwen. Yk, like Navy ships. Look similar, but different names

[zenith cape]

big mt has the courier return to it long after the second battle of hoover dam

also im almost certain we have not and never will see the courier in the show

[quick lodge]

Chickenfucker mentioned

[limpid perch]

So can we theorize, maybe the courier didn’t kill house but cut him offline, and the ghoul just brought him back online?

[sterile coral]

Seeing Freeside people actually putting respect on the NCR name was nice too. Maximus finally gets to act like a hero.

[limpid perch]

I didn’t know Canada was a thread to the USA in the fallout universe, is this new info?

[zenith cape]

the courier is the biggest blank canvas of all the fallout protagonists and theres no way theyd make them a random side character in season 1 that gets his brain wiped

[sudden sand]

I’m so glad the shows combatted the ‘the mcr and legion are the same’ dumabsses

[sterile coral]

You assume the Courier even canonically did OWB, though; sure seems like they did jack fucking shit other than delivering the chip and upgrading the army, by the current looks of things.

[silent scarab]

My current best guess is that yes man is canon ending but something took him offline after the events of the game

[zenith cape]

well the yes man ending seems to have happened which is pretty big😭

[sterile coral]

I believe that was brought up in the intro of Fallout 1 and a news article in Fallout 3.

[silent scarab]

Nope existing lore since 1

[zenith cape]

also assuming the dlcs arent canon is pretty stupid when they are intended story expansions

[limpid perch]

Damn I gotta dive back in, missed that

[silent scarab]

It’s mostly just random bits here and there

[silent scarab]

Like less then a page of lore

[zenith cape]

like the courier did some new vegas ending, all of which have pretty big impacts on the story so you cant just say the courier didnt do anything important

[sterile coral]

Oh, I fully agree, I just brought it up because it feels like the Courier did jack fucking shit other than the bare minimum before fucking off.

[quick lodge]

is Yes Man still possible with DLCs being canon?

[proud mason]

Which one is nate again?

[silent scarab]

I don’t see how this is implied at all?

[leaden furnace]

The one who is laughing

[sterile coral]

Nate missed a spot when raking the leaves.

[limpid perch]

If the yes man ending is accurate, that would mean yes man died at some point or came offline

[frosty wren]

man just did what his contract asked 4 can you blame him.

[silent scarab]

The only notable thing that we know the courier didn’t do is clear quarry junction

[sterile coral]

Bit of a shitty way to play NV though from the player's POV unless you're specifically doing a challenge run or a speedrun.

Like, what regular normie player skips 90-95% of the game?

[zenith cape]

He destroyed the securitron bunker, killed mr house, installed yes man and created a new independent vegas driving majority of the NCR out of vegas and killing caesar and lanius pretty much sending the legion into endless turmoil. Idk what your on about

[limber egret]

I actually got excited when i saw Derek Anunciation "Long live the New California Republic" indeed

[silent scarab]

It seems like they did a decent yes man play through, especially since the free side people say “take back our city” seems like c6 gave it to the people to run

[leaden furnace]

Caesar wasn’t killed by the courier imo

[zenith cape]

we dont know that

[quick lodge]

I like y’all. These discussion points feel strong and solid

[leaden furnace]

Lanius probably was though

[misty yoke]

another episode full of 90% useless vault filler and 5% of actual plot, i'm noticing a pattern here.

[frosty wren]

caesar was just left to rot by the courier bruh.

[leaden furnace]

That’s why I said imo

[silent scarab]

He doesn’t have to be in a yes man ending

[limber egret]

Dude the Vault stuff was like 6 minutes

[limpid perch]

The courier could’ve allied with the NCR, cut House offline but kept him alive, and put yes man into the net. We saw upgraded securitrons, maybe we can theorize that the legion pushed back into Vegas territory afterwards, and also sometime afterwards yes man was also shut down.

[leaden furnace]

I know

[quick lodge]

Rage bait?

[limber egret]

Y'all think Vault 33 actually got the water from 32?

[silent scarab]

I counted it the other day and the support group stuff was like 7 mins and the total vault stuff (excluding norm) was like 20

[limpid perch]

I think both vaults are about to be gassed with FEV

[sterile coral]

Oh, they will, it just might not be entirely... clean, let's say.

[quick lodge]

Fuck no! Steph is Canadian

[proud mason]

They were going to after the wedding most likely but definitely not anymore

[sterile coral]

Steph about to go full Nero Decree, my guess.

[frosty wren]

probably some legion fan who thinks his skull is just that big from his days of studying roman history.

[limpid perch]

The only thing the courier didn’t do is quarry junction, and I don’t blame him 😂

[plush river]

Yea if I was the courier I wouldn’t try to put my self in between a giant war that’ll probably kill me

[sterile coral]

And heck, maybe the Courier left that note in Caesar's pocket just to troll.

[zenith cape]

i think he just blew up the bunker and told caesar to go fuck himself

[proud mason]

Great take imagine hahahaha

[leaden furnace]

Caesar has a massive brain, I thought we knew this

[zenith cape]

now the real question is, did he get his revenge on benny

[leaden furnace]

Probably

[zenith cape]

or did the writers make him a bitch

[plush river]

50/50

[misty yoke]

why excluding norm? its obvious they are part of the same plot aka the usual bethesda mold of storytelling, ie. something to use as narrative padding that's isolated from the world as a whole when you run out of things to say. every ep is 90% of something that goes out of its way to ignore the existing world.

[zenith cape]

i imagine house will probably give some context to what tf happened next episode

[leaden furnace]

Indubitably

[zenith cape]

bros about to insult yes man

[sterile coral]

While also being presumably just as smug and self-assured as ever.

[plush river]

I don’t really give a shit about norms story

[proud mason]

This singular episode we didn’t hear him has felt too dang long

[limpid perch]

Norm is going to come in clutch at the very end

[quick lodge]

im interested. I wanna know what happens to him. He came this far!

[zenith cape]

Yes man, is that you in there

[sudden sand]

This scene was the best part of the show up to now

[limber egret]

Norm's going to activate Nerd Rage and beat the 31s to death

[plush river]

Well, hello, old chud

[leaden furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-1-fallout-fev-the-master-gif-11790937452286209576

[proud mason]

I think norm’s storyline is gonna go to s3, barely survives and then proceeds to look for lucy in s3

[leaden furnace]

What’s gonna genuinely happen to Norm

[frosty wren]

that story line was interesting for two seconds when they tried to escape the vault bc the human ladder was a nice metaphor but everytime he shows up im begging for them to just go back to ghoul, lucy, or bos.

[limber egret]

We know the Radroaches are getting out of the farm

Ma June with the save?

[zenith cape]

norms got a friend now aswell, he'll be fine

[quick lodge]

Max gonna fuck up some DCs next episode

[zenith cape]

unironically i think norm will kinda step up and destroy whatever plans vault tech had paving the way for full focus on the enclave

[plush river]

It’s interesting n all

[sterile coral]

Bro standing on business as the man his pops wanted him to be.

[proud mason]

More chance of her coming back with a funny one liner than saving him

[plush river]

But like I don’t really care for norm

[misty yoke]

i was skipping around that + the vault scenes, deffo feels like just narrative padding

[plush river]

I feel like if you skip it your missing out on the story

[frosty wren]

the vault shit ain't great but i was kinda interested to see what happened to steph and now im happy.

[zenith cape]

i like norm because hes sensible. Lucy is very much a product of her father while norm is less so.

Norm doesnt seem to care so much about hurting people as lucy does and he catches on a lot quicker

[limpid perch]

Maybe norm becomes a super mutant

[icy turtle]

It could be any securitron. Especially cause the episode 8 preview shows House talking to Cooper directly.

[limpid perch]

Episode 8 needs to answer a lot of questions!

[frosty wren]

tbh it's like 90% to 10% it's yes man.

[zenith cape]

its fallen in a identical spot to yes man and the others get fucked up by the courier

[plush river]

Maybe, maybe not

[icy turtle]

There's no mention it's the Courier, probably wasn't him. Lol

[silent scarab]

Because his plot is much more intertwined with the pre war vault tech plot then to the current vault inter conflict

[misty yoke]

theres no payoff besides watching them die. and next ep steph will kill them with the overseer chair. the vault doesnt interact with the main story

[zenith cape]

who else would unplug house

[sterile coral]

Wonder how much would've changed if Norm was the one to go out searching for his pops while Lucy stayed in the Vault.

[zenith cape]

i think he would have died

[silent scarab]

Okay fam

[misty yoke]

theres a pre war vault tec storyline?

[icy turtle]

Who said House got unplugged??? If House gets disabled he dies. He says so in the game. House probably shut himself down - like he did before FNV to protect himself.

[silent scarab]

You watched the show?

[zenith cape]

no, you can literally leave house alive but just shut him out.

Its what i did

[misty yoke]

yah, another week of my predictions going through. and next week its revealed the president is enclave.

[leaden furnace]

He dies in like a year if you do that anyways

[icy turtle]

No, you can't. He says he dies within a year if you do that.

[zenith cape]

ah ok

[plush river]

Dude s3-s5 will probably be about Lucy returning home and trying to fix it, maybe she’ll even start brand new new arroyo

[misty yoke]

s3 is last season

[leaden furnace]

New Arroyo doesn’t need to be restarted, it’s already doing great

[zenith cape]

well hes dead either way.

he isnt controlling vegas rn, and he only gets control of his system when cold fusion is plugged in

[icy turtle]

It's why I'm saying he wasn't disabled. He probably hunkered down, kept himself alive by keeping his network up but shutting down everyone else. I.E. why Victor is alive cause the network is active.

[sterile coral]

Might even be the current NCR capital, perhaps.

[plush river]

But all jokes aside norm and the vault dwellers story will tie in to Lucy’s story, this isnt a negotiable thing

[leaden furnace]

The Chosen One wouldn’t allow those colonizers to make it their capitol

[proud mason]

Confirmed for 3 seasons, planned for 5-6

[leaden furnace]

New Arroyo will become a tribal bastion

[silent scarab]

This is a cash cow, we are getting atleast 4

[mortal ledge]

The Chosen One allowed Arroyo to become part of the NCR.

[zenith cape]

well yeah im pretty sure as long as new vegas is powered the system is up.

[leaden furnace]

Not confirmed

[plush river]

The creators of the tv show are intending for 5-6 seasons of this

[proud mason]

Hopefully

[icy turtle]

Kind of, not really. It just means the generators are going from his basement. The network is separate from it.

[frosty wren]

how much shit did they write. 😭

[zenith cape]

the rest of vegas and freeside has power so i doubt the dam was destroyed

[vagrant nova]

I'm telling you Coop is gonna be the most suicidal man in season 3 if House drops the truth nuke of "You gave the Cold Fusion to the Enclave dumbass"

[misty yoke]

nah no way. theres no plot left to go on about unless they do a timeskip and tell another story in developed/developing ncr or something which they will never in a million years do considering how scared they are of tackling actual source material

[leaden furnace]

I’d assume Coop figured it out by now

[mortal ledge]

I think Coop already has this figured out.

[plush river]

I hope Lucy and her friends story end next season so we can pick up in the midwest or something

[proud mason]

That first episode with him i really hope house lets him hear it

[icy turtle]

Could be, won't matter now cause Cold Fusion is gonna power House and Vegas indefinitely. Lol

[zenith cape]

the are pushing max in the direction of the NCR so i think they are likely heading to the strongholf out east

[silent scarab]

Fallout is already primes 2nd biggest show, it beat invincible and is already catching up to the boys which has 5 seasons

They aren’t dropping it after 3 seasons

[proud mason]

Just enough for coop to contemplate shutting him down to realize the mojave needs house

[icy turtle]

They're going to milk it long enough leading up to the next mainline release, probably.

[silent scarab]

20 years of fallout tv yay

[zenith cape]

well it does matter for a canonical ending for new vegas. Just because it doesnt matter in the show doesnt mean it isnt something we could find out

[icy turtle]

LMAO

[plush river]

No offense dude but you literally said you skipped around norms story

[zenith cape]

i could honestly see them leaving house in vegas and coming back to deal with him later

[sterile coral]

And heck, House kinda needs to formulate a new plan now that his previous one got shot to hell thanks to Hank.

[misty yoke]

without context thats irrelevant, since you need to know the economics of what "2nd biggest show" before it means anything

[zenith cape]

i could see them taking max in the direction of trying to reunite the broken sections of the NCR

[misty yoke]

they are not going to make 2 seasons out of the most boring aspect of the show

[icy turtle]

Debatable. I don't think the Dam has much relevance anymore especially because in order to operate it you need a lot of man-power. Which no Faction has enough of right now. I'd be okay if they turned it into a city, though, that'd be cool.

[plush river]

I was suggesting something else

[zenith cape]

that boring aspect personally has kept me engaged

[vagrant nova]

I like that they got an actor that matches the weird busts in the presidential metro to play the last president.

[misty yoke]

you replied to me with the norm comment

[silent scarab]

Fallout has already been given twice the budget of the boys per episode, they fully believe in this show

[plush river]

That message was meant for you but It meant something completely different

[misty yoke]

after they wrap up the fight for cold fusion in s3 theres nothing left unless u deliberately extend the conclusion.

[proud mason]

Norm’s main quest may be our side quest but the payoff will sure be nice when we see him as a super mutant like virgil or the guy in far harbor

[zenith cape]

Vault plot, enclave, brotherhood, ncr

[mortal ledge]

Nah. The chin's not prominent enough on the bust.

[misty yoke]

and people wont wait for 4 years for that

[silent scarab]

“Tv shows can only have one story arc”

[icy turtle]

He gets radicalized and joins the SM Faction that saved Cooper. Lmao

[misty yoke]

vault plot is filler, the rest of those are already getting wrapped up by s3 unless you start to drag it on

[upper shard]

People wait decades for a new game. Dw they can wait 4 years

[sterile coral]

I mean, there's still potential for a proper Enclave resurgence, all the factional drama that'd cause, etc.

[leaden furnace]

Season 4 will be about the Shi and Khans

[misty yoke]

i mean yeah, but does that make for a complelling story? somehow the enclave returned? people wanted to see ncr but thats not happening atm

[plush river]

Anyways

Fallout season 4 will probably introduce a whole new cast of characters or take place somewhere else

[zenith cape]

you are actually fucking stupid if you think they will fit the ncr, brotherhood and enclave story into a single 8 episode season.

They had to sideline the brotherhood for half this season to focus on new vegas

[mortal ledge]

Since Season 3 ties directly into Fallout 5, I can imagine Season 4 moving on to something and somewhere else entirely.

[proud mason]

Strong possibility, that super mutant was smart and knows about the enclave. Hank’s storyline may come to an end but it doesn’t feel like house or the enclave is

[upper shard]

Khans are like cockroaches. Just when you think you've genocided them they come back

[misty yoke]

how do you say that and pretend they are running out of time to depict those factions when they are deliberately wasting screentime on the vault/norm plot while hiding the NCR

[leaden furnace]

They are called the Great Khans for a reason 💪

[upper shard]

The Incredible Khan

[zenith cape]

actually no hold up.

They have to deal with whatever house is planning, more cooper backstory, enclave plotline, super mutant and plotline, brotherhood, ncr and the main characters journeys to wherver they are going

[leaden furnace]

He reunited the Khans is what he did! He was a brave Khan explorer. And in this house, Papa Khan is a hero. End of story.

[upper shard]

"The great khans will return in Avengers Doomsday"

[sterile coral]

A welcome decision; Brotherhood already hogging screen time for a long while, only fair they get to sit on the bench for once.

[silent scarab]

Deliberately wasting checks notes 15% of run time yeah huge filler for side character directly relevant to the plot and the main characters arcs

[misty yoke]

they had an entire season to start showing what house is planning, the writers just hadnt thought of anything so they waited 7 episodes to actually show house

[silent scarab]

15 is also rounding up

[mortal ledge]

Dude, at this point you might as well just give up. You don't like the show, we get it. Move on.

[misty yoke]

norm + the vault are irrelevant

[plush river]

Todd Howard has been eyeing San Francisco for a while now so I’m starting to believe events in season 4-6 will probably take place far far away

[upper shard]

We already know what most of House's plan was tho. Makes no sense reiterating all that again. One scene is enough

[silent scarab]

No they need to watch every episode as soon as it drops each week then spend 8+ hours a week telling people it’s not good

[mortal ledge]

I think we'll be keeping our main cast of characters though.

[plush river]

It’s all gonna tie in to Lucy’s story though

[icy turtle]

He's another one that comes in every week to complain. Hate-watchers y'know?

[short wave]

:devil:

[misty yoke]

the argument was that they are having trouble fitting in all the NCR/BoS/Enclave story, but somehow i doubt that when they are showing 3+ montages per episode and empty spectacle, along with the whole norm/vault plot which is not critical to the main plot

[zenith cape]

they arent running out of time dude your just stupid, they actively confirmed the want like 5 seasons, Amazon puts tons of money into the show and is really hopeful, and the enclave just isnt important rn.

Your calling the vaults filler when that story is the entire reason vault 31, 32 and 33 exist due to their experiments and youd rather they not explain it. They also have the F.E.V being set up in relation to vault tech and likely drawing a connection to the enclave who we learn this season have control in vault tech

[mortal ledge]

Yeah, it makes no sense to me.

[short wave]

FALLOUT 5 IS HEAVILY BASED ON VAN BUREN THEORY

[silent scarab]

It will most likely drop 1 or 2 of the main cast and introduce new ones or buns side characters up. Norm and Chet are waiting for a promotion to prime cast

[mortal ledge]

That theory has no backing.

[upper shard]

I do hope they make more episodes per season. 8 is way too low

[plush river]

It literally is, you would know this if you weren’t skipping around

[misty yoke]

they havent confirmed anything. also they are filler. otherwise they would interact with the main plot of getting cold fusion to the NCR, and that story already involves the enclave. again. they are irrelevant.

[plush river]

I don’t mind 8 episodes

[upper shard]

I do. I need more

[limber egret]

I like the idea that we could follow two trios of Cooper, Lucy, Max and Norm, Chet and Claudia. Plus pre-war stuff

[mortal ledge]

I think they'll be killing off Thaddeus this season, tbh. Just a feeling.

[upper shard]

No. I WANT MORE. MOREEEEE

[misty yoke]

how is it critical to the plot

[plush river]

If they stop with dropping it all at once I won’t mind 8 episodes

[limber egret]

Hope he gets to retire.

[floral shoal]

shows used to have like 15+ episodes per season

[mortal ledge]

Norm's discovered that FEV is part of Hank's plan for the Vault Triad.

[upper shard]

Back in my days we used to have 20-30 episodes per season lad

[icy turtle]

Showrunners want more seasons
Show gets greenlit for a 3rd season and gets a filming date, and begins preproduction before s2 is finished
This confirms nothing

Fallout complainers stay making no sense.

[plush river]

Shows got longer I guess

[misty yoke]

cool, but how is a vault experiment part of the plot of returning cold fusion to NCR or whoever lucy wants to give it to

[zenith cape]

i said confirmed they WANT 5 seasons, as in that is how they have planned out the story.

Also getting cold fusion to the ncr isnt a plot point rn and your calling the encalve irrelevant when we literally just learnt they have sway in vault tech, cooper just gave them cold fusion, plus the super mutant directly mentioning a brewing war

[floral shoal]

like now im starting up knight of the seven kingdoms and its only going to have 6 episodes🫠

[plush river]

At the end of the most recent episode norm is literally on the ham radio trying to talk to Hank/lucy

[mortal ledge]

The vault experiment is the plot for AFTER they've dealt with Cold Fusion. Haven't you figured out by now that the MacGuffin is never the end-all-be-all of a Fallout game?

[floral shoal]

seasons these days are shrinking fast

[misty yoke]

creators want to keep creating for as long as they're paid to create. it's not relevant if they want or not want, its only relevant what amazon wants. also where did i call enclave irrelevant?

[upper shard]

Or if not more episodes. Make the episodes themselves a bit longer.
The recaps + outro takes like 10 mins off the run time of 50 mins.

Let it run for atleast 1 hour

[plush river]

Oh yeah I dislike that

[icy turtle]

No because it's not told to them directly. It requires using their brain to infer y'know. Everything must be spelt out for them.

[icy turtle]

The finale is an hour and fifteen.

[mortal ledge]

And then they call the likes of us unintelligent. lol

[plush river]

I don’t need a recap, fallout is something you don’t forget

[floral shoal]

anyways Canada lore is something the games never really explored so im hoping the show delves more into that, im hoping it doesn't just end with Steph if she dies

[misty yoke]

hes asking for help because hes going to get killed, thats not relevant to the main plot besides being another hurdle for lucy.

[misty yoke]

ok but you said its relevant to the main plot. so now its not?

[mortal ledge]

It is the main plot.

[misty yoke]

no you said its literally after the main plot, lol

[mortal ledge]

They're both the fucking main plot.

[plush river]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-cointoss-gas-station-no-country-for-old-men-gif-5525064890233909166

[misty yoke]

The vault experiment is the plot for AFTER they've dealt with Cold Fusion

[upper shard]

Fr. Or atleast make the recaps separate from the episodes

[plush river]

Rage bait or genuine hate for the show

[upper shard]

They don't need to take the run time of the actual episode

[mortal ledge]

They still have to set that up DURING the distraction they're going through right now.

[floral shoal]

seems too much effort at this point to just be rage bait, the guy has been pretty active each time a new ep drops

[upper shard]

It's like if you play the trailer of a movie in the first 10 mins of the movie

[plush river]

Yea they should make it optional similar to the “on next weeks episode”

[upper shard]

Ye. Exactly

[misty yoke]

lol you literally claimed the main plot AND the vault bullshit are interacting, now youre claiming its more like a second main plot that's waiting for its time

[mortal ledge]

It's literally all of the above. That's how Fallout works.

[icy turtle]

It's genuine hate, he's on a list of like 4 or 5 individuals that hate-watch. Look back at his messages in the server, it's all the same negativity. None of it constructive. All complaining.

[plush river]

I didn’t like it but even I can admit itll matter later on

[short wave]

map including van buren locations
new caesar
ncr is destroyed and broken up

[misty yoke]

sure, just like legion vs ncr right?

[plush river]

I still watch it because it’s important to the lore

[misty yoke]

thats what we all thought for 7 episodes while they got put on the back burner actually

[short wave]

The pieces are all falling into place. Van Buren Fallout 5 is real.

[leaden furnace]

Next season will take place in the reservation 🗣️ 🔥

[inner pollen]

okay. time to sit down and watch this episode.

oh boy i hope that fucker who's choking Norm get's fucking brutally murdered

[mortal ledge]

I didn't think NCR and Legion were going to be front and center at all. lol

[icy turtle]

Enjoy!

[leaden furnace]

Daughters of Hecate will be the main villains

[plush river]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[misty yoke]

you didnt think legion/ncr were going to be relevant after they showed the last frame of s1 being the strip?

[heavy gorge]

Van Buren took place from across Arizona to Colorado the modern Fallouts don't even begin to be full size states or regions

[mortal ledge]

That would be nice, wouldn't it?

[sudden sand]

I feel so bad for welch

[misty yoke]

did you just assume the legion and ncr are mysteriously gone?

[mortal ledge]

No, because it's 15 years later and the TV show is a character-driven narrative, not a world-driven narrative.

[misty yoke]

which i guess, you did and were correct on

[sudden sand]

'werent'

[heavy gorge]

Not really

[misty yoke]

how are those mutually exclusive

[icy turtle]

Turned into a microchip mainframe with her brain man.

[plush river]

Van buren,tactics,bos, has been slowly getting canonized

[sudden sand]

welch was too trusting

[silent scarab]

Cold fusion is a plot device not the plot, this guy didn’t pass intro to creative writing

[mortal ledge]

He's also clearly never played a Fallout game.

[plush river]

It’s the mcgriddle of the story

[sudden sand]

i feel like its her easily manipulatableness along with her being a generally good person that makes her the perfect candidate for the chips programming

[heavy gorge]

This if anything was the first episodes treating the NCR as if it wasn't gone and the Legion we already know isn't gone (at least yet) given trailer material

[silent scarab]

“Why is there dlc to new Vegas, this has nothing to do with Hoover dam”

[icy turtle]

FO complainers unable to differentiate the difference between a plot device and the main plots going on around it??? Color me fucking shocked.

[misty yoke]

it's part of the plot. the "story" is what you are trying to call as "plot".

[short wave]

Yeah well guess what. They will MAKE IT WORK.

[plush river]

Shocked is NOT a color

[misty yoke]

not really, the NCR are still gone

[icy turtle]

Sez you.

[leaden furnace]

The NCR will just be the lost battalion

[silent scarab]

Guys why is the United States no longer in Vietnam? Was it destroyed?

[leaden furnace]

Yes

[heavy gorge]

Object permanence

[misty yoke]

DLC isnt the same thing as the critical path, which is usually what the central narrative is centered around.

[mortal ledge]

I'm gonna laugh if the NCR rolls up next episode and rocks the Legion's shit, only to have the haters turn around and go "What the fuck was that?! They were gone! How are they back? This is horrible writing!"

[proud mason]

Chet is gonna get ragged on by them radroaches

[icy turtle]

I'm calling it, "THE NCR CAME OUT OF NOWHERE, WHY ARE THEY HERE?! THEY WERE GONE! HORRIBLE WRITING!"
Fallout whiners literally being told about the subtext and evidence of their presence still around throughout the entire show btw.

[silent scarab]

In season 3 but yes

[proud mason]

I can see it now, chet getting swarmed by roaches because he’s the biggest, and norm just standing there menacingly

[misty yoke]

thats what i have been claiming all this time will happen, the NCR will suddently just show up in force out of nowhere. it's not clever writing but very predictable and will engage peoples dopamine receptors just because they writers are having to reckon with the setting and think for once

[silent scarab]

Why would Chet be near roaches?

[mortal ledge]

Dude. Stop fucking watching the show if you hate it so much.

[plush river]

One of six things will happen

Ncr will pull up
Brotherhood will pull up
Nobody will pull up and our characters will have to run for the hills
Enclave will pull up
Super mutant army Will pull up?
I will pull up

[misty yoke]

how are the NCR more or less present based on episode 7

[inner pollen]

am i tripping or are those two red dots on Steph's neck just very symmetrical moles i've never noticed before… or is it something plot-wise??

[proud mason]

Teaser trailers saw the radroaches attacking the vault dwellers and one can only assume at this point it’s norm’s last gambit before being killed

[silent scarab]

“I don’t like the show so people who do are dopamine slaves tic tic brains” “I’m so intellectual”

[silent scarab]

You are mixing up characters

[inner pollen]

the way you said that has me scared

[icy turtle]

It's the radroach farm in the Vault tec building, not in the vault

[silent scarab]

Chet is still in the vault

[mortal ledge]

Don't be scared. Be brave. For Norm. Norm needs brave people, did you see his condition last week?

[misty yoke]

who are you quoting

[proud mason]

You’re right sorry

[proud mason]

You’re right sorry

[mortal ledge]

He's reading between your lines.

[silent scarab]

You wouldn’t know they go to a different school

[icy turtle]

You're good fam. Lol

[misty yoke]

why are you replying to me just to seethe

[inner pollen]

WHY ARE YOU SAYING IT LIKE THAT

[heavy gorge]

We were thought of this as kids
Peekaboo
You don't see someone's eyes and after about a couple of minutes our baby brains learn that just because we don't see stuff dosen't necesarily imply that stuff is gone entirely

[mortal ledge]

You seething makes me seethe.

[icy turtle]

I beg, don't get muted while you react to the show.

[misty yoke]

oh in that case im going to say you hate the show and youre wrong. i win

[mortal ledge]

You have that backwards, chief. I LOVE the show. You don't.

[silent scarab]

“Why are you replying to me? All I’m doing is checking in daily to talk about a show I hate that I voluntarily watch every single week”

[inner pollen]

deleted it.

i shall be a good boy scout

[misty yoke]

how does this relate to the fact the show's not utilizing its setting well again

[icy turtle]

"WHY ARE YOU BOOING ME?! I'm right, you're all wrong!"

[mortal ledge]

It's utilizing the setting just fine.

[silent scarab]

“Am I out of touch?”

[misty yoke]

im capable of ignoring the "Hype posters" here. why are you incapable of ignoring someone who has some mild criticisms about the show you like?

[heavy gorge]

He's mocking you

[sudden sand]

'mild criticisms'

[misty yoke]

very compelling arguments

[mortal ledge]

Your criticisms are far from "mild."

[short wave]

I think the show is doing a really good job with the individual characters but is having a hard time dealing with the factions overall

[sudden sand]

if thats what one calls media illiteracy we are truly doomed

[silent scarab]

Mild criticisms:
“the show is bad and completely misuse the setting”
“It’s all filler and stupid”

[mortal ledge]

I don't debate with unreasonable people.

[misty yoke]

i mean its 7/10, i wouldnt say i hate it. that was just you putting words into my mouth.

[icy turtle]

They're trying to say media literary is a buzzword now because people don't understanding it's meaning btw. Lmfaooo

[sudden sand]

oh the irony

[mortal ledge]

Then why is every fucking word out of your mouth about it a damned complaint?!

[short wave]

Fallout as a franchise has always been faction driven

[inner pollen]

actually i agree with this - but if there's any information about any potential other NCR outposts that could supply a large number of soldiers that exist within the show… i am not aware of it :p

[silent scarab]

7/10 is a great score for a tv show

[sudden sand]

they allready stated there was a batallian nearby

[misty yoke]

the harshest criticism i have given the show in my opinion is that its of the "usual bethesda mold" of storytelling that hyperfixates on irrelevant stuff like superhero characters to the point they make audio dramas about them, instead of focusing on the plot. id say thats pretty mild considering the typical criticisms of a mainstream show.

[mortal ledge]

I'd be worried if it was a 5 or lower.

[silent scarab]

Bro wants zero side quests in an rpg

[floral shoal]

naah dont' you get it? anything below 8 is now 'mid slop'

[sudden sand]

'they just come out of nowhere' holds no water when as early as episode 3 we were directly told there was ncr troops in the mojave they just dont have contact with them

[mortal ledge]

Personally the show IS a solid 8.5/10.

[silent scarab]

“Stop expanding the narrative and lore, finish the main plot as fast as possible or it’s bad!”

[icy turtle]

They stated it in the show, and have also confirmed the existence of other cities. They just haven't directly shown it, yet.and probably won't until s3. The finale will probably have the NCR show up with Rodriguez.

[silent scarab]

Yeah I give it an 8/10 s1 was 7/10ish

[short wave]

Bro what?? The Superhero characters in 3 and 4 that have a few quests at the minimum and a dlc at MOST

[mortal ledge]

It's done some things I wish it hadn't, but they're not major enough for me to end up disliking the show or dismissing its canon status.

[heavy gorge]

The Chosen One is the textbook definition of in what I'm assuming you count as a superhero character
Your word might be Gary Stu? In that case all Fallout characters are Gary Stu or Mary Sue, actually

[misty yoke]

so you admit its far from perfect, yet you are incapable of handling criticism of the show?

[inner pollen]

:0 okie-dokie

[mortal ledge]

Oh no, 8.5/10 for the whole thing.

[silent scarab]

Give it two compliments then

[mortal ledge]

The way you bitch about it makes it come across like you think it's more like a 3 out of ten, and that's being generous.

[silent scarab]

It’s only bitching

[misty yoke]

we're not talking about an RPG, we're talking about a TV show with limited runtime and budget

[real scroll]

Honestly I just wish that it stopped like touching west coast lore that's my only legit complaint. At least get the og writers approval

[sudden sand]

music 9.5/10 -10/10 depending on the episode costume and weapon design 9-10/10 varying charactor work 8.5 -9 out of 10 storywork 8.5/10 (yeah maybe could have done with a bit more time in the oven but is no worse than any of the games and perfectly servicable as a tv adaptation of a multi ending rpg game)

[silent scarab]

You were referencing fallout 4 tho

[inner pollen]

On Today's Episode of The Fallout Network:

the server discovers having differing opinions can quickly spiral into a nightmare

[icy turtle]

Criticisms have been levied at the show, what's being said here isn't Criticism. It's complaining and bitching about it every week. We can pull up the logs and see everything you've said in real time. Lmfao

[misty yoke]

again just because you're incapable of criticizing what you enjoy doesn't mean i hate it. you're putting words into my mouth.

[real scroll]

Hank is right

[silent scarab]

If it’s a 7/10 show you should have 7 compliments for every 3 complaints

[heavy gorge]

I fucking hate this storyline the writers reuse it to the point of actual nausea

[short wave]

Elijah should’ve wiped everyone out

[sudden sand]

criticisms i agree with, straight up inventing things that dont exist to complain about will get you shit on by me

[mortal ledge]

I'm perfectly capable of criticizing what I enjoy. I usually have to balance my criticisms out with what I like about the show though so people understand I'm not just dunking on it.

[real scroll]

Fallout was a mistake

[silent scarab]

Fam just say 3 nice things about the show and beat the allegations

[sudden sand]

BUT , im much happier getting a new series of good fallout once a year for the next 4 ish years.

[silent scarab]

We have criticized the show plenty

[misty yoke]

no you clearly aren't since you told me that criticizing the show for the biggest crime of following the bethesda mold of storytelling is the same as hating the show, even though i said it's 7/10

[heavy gorge]

Notice how he tries to use mold as slop is now ostracized

[mortal ledge]

For example: I'm not a fan that they moved Shady Sands or that they blew it up. I understand why they did it, why it was necessary for the narrative and for TV show pacing. That's fine. I don't have to enjoy that narrative beat though.

[heavy gorge]

Rightfully so, I hate the word now
It lost its' impact

[sudden sand]

slop implys the shows bad

[inner pollen]

i'm not even watching the show rn i'm just watching y'all 😭

[sudden sand]

it isnt, by every metric its a massively succesful adaptation

[silent scarab]

The shady sands lore is dumb, they make all of the Wastelanders caricatures, the pacing is not good for weakly releases, and they over utilize pre war characters on the post war era

8/10 show

[real scroll]

Slop has been so overused it means nothing now

[misty yoke]

beat what allegations?

[silent scarab]

That all you do is hate and bitch about it

[upper shard]

Btw i like how Coop's outfit when he meets the president looks like the Silver Shroud costume.
Nice Callback.

[mortal ledge]

I think the only thing you and I agree on in that sentence is that this was NOT meant as a weekly-release season. They clearly went in assuming it'd be bingeable from the start.

[inner pollen]

okay, so… are people mad at you because you keep repeating this opinion?

[real scroll]

Tbf the games had their fair share of Wasteland Weirdos

[floral shoal]

ep just dropped today and we're already beefing in chat, war never fucking changes fr

[misty yoke]

what does that have to do with the discussion we're having

[sudden sand]

the massive popularity is for sure why they changed to weekly

[silent scarab]

You don’t agree about shady sands?

[real scroll]

Show does make most though mad max wannabees

[silent scarab]

They did but we have only seen like 2 reasonable wastelanders

[sudden sand]

but also weekly gives us time to stew over each episode, imagine what wed miss if they all came out at once

[misty yoke]

people are mad becuase they cant accept that disliking a thing they like is okay

[mortal ledge]

No. I don't think it's dumb at all. It's not what I would have done, but I'm not the one calling the shots.

[heavy gorge]

My main biggggg criticism?
Distances. They don't communicate distances properly which I believe actually leads to confusion and the whole Shady Sands discourse
Oh and yeah also the pre-war character usage a bit, yeah

[icy turtle]

People are mad because he, like a bunch of other hacks, claim to like the show but haven't said anything good about it. "I'm passionate but I come in every week and say nothing but negative stuff about it."
I've seen him say maybe one or two things good about the show, since it's released a s2.

[silent scarab]

You dislike it but give it a 7/10?

[crisp sandal]

Ngl tho

[misty yoke]

yes, i dislike aspects about it.

[sudden sand]

7/10 is a great tv score lol

[crisp sandal]

2 seasons around cold fusion is alot but it’s good lore

[silent scarab]

What aspects do you like to give it a positive score?

[sudden sand]

barely any shows, even universally aclaimed ones will get a straight 9

[crisp sandal]

Can cold fusion be destroyed lol if smb just drops the bottle

[real scroll]

Is the show gonna acknowledge that cold fusion was used in the GECK?

[sudden sand]

basically any have ever gotten close to a 10

[icy turtle]

Maybe? I imagine it should be smashed or something. Lol

[mortal ledge]

We're mad because he's lying through his teeth, basically, yeah.

[misty yoke]

the directing is quite good and the set design, and i like goggins.

[sudden sand]

a 7 from soneone who doesnt like the show might as well be a 9

[icy turtle]

Yeah, it's hypocritical.

[mortal ledge]

Hell I'm willing to up my score to 9 just because it'll piss the haters off. lol

[sudden sand]

even if you ignore the story , the costumes, weapons, sets are all spot on

[misty yoke]

selecting memory is a bitch. i said ep6 is the best episode of the show.

[silent scarab]

They could have easily just used a more lore friendly city to nuke and avoided all lore complications is my issue

[sudden sand]

the deathclaws make me tear up and the power armour was done exceptionally well

[real scroll]

Personally I wish the show had a completely new setting in like the Midwest where it can do its own thing

[mortal ledge]

See, for me 6 was actually the weakest.

[crisp sandal]

Crazyy

[inner pollen]

lying how?

[misty yoke]

he's mad he couldn't prove me wrong, so im lying

[shadow bone]

My problem with episode six was that it felt like it went by so fast. It was good, but I blinked, and it was over.

[icy turtle]

Your lack reading comprehension is showing. I said I recall you saying good things, but they are drastically outweighed by the bad.

[silent scarab]

Yeah no plot got moved forward efficiently

[real scroll]

Cause I think it excells at virtually all the original storyline or prewar lore and buildup

[mortal ledge]

He says he likes the show, but he complains about it far, far more often than he sings its praises. If he actually liked the show he'd have more nice things to say.

[proud mason]

Whole season honestly, hooked instantly

[silent scarab]

A lot of good shit happened but it felt like 5 cliff hangers at once