EPISODE 8

[last steppe]

I bet Claudia is one otherwise why would someone who joined a week ago be in stasis

[grizzled garden]

i hope s3 is the last season for this group and they switch protags if they do more seasons

[last steppe]

Maybe Betty too?

[modern beacon]

he also said “centuries of planning” which means hes been actively planting these things into people or somebody else in the enclave is

And i have some suspects

[grizzled garden]

maybe after season 3 they do a spinoff in another country

[modern beacon]

The Enclave are using these chips to destroy the factions within. It makes sense imo Quintus is a possible suspect.

Quintus is responsible for basically causing strife among the chapters and is literally destroying these chapters with plans for liberty prime

[last steppe]

What was the gun Coop gave Lucy? Was it a syringe

[modern beacon]

its the pocket pistol he used on his leg back in ep1

[last steppe]

Ahh cool thanks

[grizzled garden]

nah i think hes in it for the love of the game

[modern beacon]

It makes sense unknowingly hes been influenced. If i remember, the western bos council elected maxson to be an elder because they liked his ideology.

[last steppe]

Why was Hank doing testing if it already was working

[modern beacon]

I mean Quintus idolizes roger maxson’s decision and founding at a level of faith. Is it not weird he has 0 faith in his successor who evidently is more dogmatic about the brotherhood

[grizzled garden]

also i thought hank activated the chips in the finale? were they already active beforehand?

[timid mural]

This scene made me go crazy dawg I was screaming "Yooo it's courier 6"

[last steppe]

Was nice to see the NCR turn up

Though I did feel bad that no one in Freeside helped

[modern beacon]

another crazy idea is what if the new Ceasar Culkin is possibly controlled i mean isnt it weird hes this random legate who now all of a sudden takes advantage of Ceasar’s death like anyone else but is a complete nobody

[grizzled garden]

lmao I knew it #1447296930555236565 message

[last steppe]

There was the one guy at least

[granite pond]

So what if the reason House is "offline" in the end scene is that he's getting the Lucky 38 laser cannons and securitrons online?

[modern beacon]

hes not a Vulpes or Lanius person. Hes some random who happened to climb the ranks. Hes also seemingly imo immature which in a way takes the legion downward fighting in another pointless war rather than building numbers or reuniting other tribes

[grizzled garden]

he's playing dead

[timid mural]

"You know that if he loses, we all die, right?" And they seemed to not give single fucks lmfao

[grizzled garden]

you can see him fade back in when they're looking at the view

[modern beacon]

it would all perfectly fall into Hank’s plan of “killing all the factions” if every major leader of those factions is a possible enclave control plant

and they r all purposely putting the factions downward

[grizzled garden]

idk i don't see it

[modern beacon]

its either that or Hank got a bunch of people with nukes like shady sands

Either way hes got enclave controlled minions roaming around doing something

we only know HALF of hank’s plans before he wiped himself

[grizzled garden]

i hope biff is alright

[compact quail]

Some E8 Insights:

1. House is still House, not Yes Man. I said before it would be utterly confusing for all the non-gamer viewers of the show if what is already a pretty 'weird' sci-fi plot device about digital resurrection to most folk out there somehow became even more convoluted with the new digital consciousness somehow being another weird brand new robot AI thingy which also took up House's avatar for no discernable reason. But people kept shouting that it's Yes Man laying down on the floor and are too obsessed with their playthrough to understand how cinematography works for a larger audience that didn't play the games and has no idea who "Yes Man" is while already being invested in House's storyline

2. They did scrounge up some NCR troops that was still small enough to be led by a recognizable character ( The veteran ), which is what I said the show does - they don't do huge LOTR/GOT battles, they focus on the human element and recognizable faces. It wasn't some massive army that showed up by orders of some intact NCR city like so many insisted it would be

3. Hank is Enclave, that was a surprise. If he wasn't speaking to House when he was talking on the comms and referenced Vegas as his boss's 'old stomping grounds', then I guess the President used to operate from the Vegas management vault too? A bit too much lore concentrated on Vegas for my liking but oh well.

4. Guess the Enclave's snowy compound is in Colorado alongside Barbara and Jaynie.

[grizzled garden]

i don't really like the way they went with the chip storyline

[compact bramble]

MMM CHIP

[modern beacon]

i do think that Yes Man is the securitron on the floor. But we also saw a rob co commercial talking about cleaning securitron programs and its possible House had some sort of precaution to get rid of him.

[compact quail]

There were like at least 5 securitrons in House's penthouse, it doesn't have to be Yes Man whatsoever.

[modern beacon]

theres only one in that room

Yes Man said he found “personality” programs in house’s data banks. But its possible that was a trap to revert yes man to another personality like victor

[compact quail]

Yeah probably just not to clutter the set too much but to show that House's guardians have fallen when Cooper comes up to him

[grizzled garden]

i think yes man ending makes the most sense here, especially with the robco videos and the way everything has ended up

[modern beacon]

Basically House would ofc have a firewall to fix this. Yes Man is a reprogrammed securitron

We KNOW house was killed. In terms of his body.

[compact bramble]

Or… The show is set in a universe where the Courier never existed.

Without the player, he doesn’t exist

[charred sapphire]

nothingburger finale, nothing happened that i didnt see coming. only a new mystery box with the enclave mind control chip being activated that i cant 100% guess what it is, i guess it could also be something to do with house's digital backup

or, enclave controlled deathclaws

[modern beacon]

That wouldnt explain how securitrons far from the strip were upgraded to their Mk2

The platinum chip WAS delivered.

[grizzled garden]

that doesn't explain how house has a hoover dam snow globe

[compact bramble]

I’ll believe it when I see concrete evidence of it.

We see malfunctioning Securitrons in BigMT. The mk2 face and launchers don’t convince me.

[grizzled garden]

why else would they specifically commission the snow globe for houses desk, they're clearly telling us something

[compact bramble]

Like I said, I’m not yet convinced the events of New Vegas happened in any game-like capacity in the show universe

[modern beacon]

House’s exact words are “wandering travelers with something to prove” that tried to kill him

Only people that could fit in this criteria are people like the courier

[compact bramble]

That’s a bit of a reach.

[modern beacon]

And many other people as well

[compact bramble]

Ok you edited it to be a little more accurate.

[modern beacon]

The courier isnt the only one that tried to kill House

[compact quail]

Whatever backstory one wishes to come up with to shoehorn the Yes Man ending, bottom line is that the showrunners are concerned with appeal for viewers who never played the games as well, and bringing yet another random AI robot into the mix as a third wheel to the pre-existing dynamic and rivalry between Cooper and House would just seem stupid to anyone who hasn't played the games, so Yes Man is out of the picture for the series.

[modern beacon]

But we KNOW the courier was the one doing the killing blow because it doesnt make sense House uses the term “wandering travelers” to describe an NCR assassination

[last steppe]

Yes Man also wouldn't know or care about the Enclave

[compact bramble]

And so my (hate)Watch begins.

[fiery plinth]

He ain't wearing no Pip boy

[dense wharf]

everyone has a reason to kill house by NV its not exclusive to the courier

[fiery plinth]

Thats just a random NCR Ranger

[modern beacon]

Benny isnt rlly a “wandering travelers”

[timid mural]

So like, as of right now

Caesar's Legion: Still Roman Larpers

NCR: A democratic dumpster fire that refuses to stay dead and just wants to tax your air.

BoS: Metal clad cultists busy executing each other while trying to build a giant communist hating robot.

[grizzled garden]

so coop visited house after the bombs right

[modern beacon]

And u have to remember House only allowed a selected few to enter Lucky 38

[last steppe]

I don't think so

[modern beacon]

The only people that get in without his permission are NCR assassins

[compact quail]

It was already clear that House is House from the trailers except for the very hopeful thinkers among us who wanted to see their game theories reflected, but cinematography won out.

[compact bramble]

The amount of people trying to say that NCR Ranger is the Courier is sad

[fiery plinth]

Roman larpers fighting about which one is the best Roman larper

[timid mural]

"Yooo, it's the fucking Courier 6 I'm telling you. Look at that fit!!!!"

[compact bramble]

I am really glad we’re getting another season in Vegas hopefully

[dense wharf]

the rest of arizona is still under legion control

[last steppe]

Yeah exactly the story needs it to be House and is better for it

[dense wharf]

caesar won and he's dead

[timid mural]

Smartest Legion Fanboy:

[compact bramble]

I dig the idea of a separate Coop solo story now that Lucy and Maximus are back together

[fiery plinth]

Mfs using the excuse we can't see his face as a way to justify that ranger being the courier is actually pissing me off

[compact bramble]

I’m just sad we didn’t see Dogmeat leave town and catch up with him

[grizzled garden]

i still think it's a likely possibility that house just loaded himself back onto yes man

[timid mural]

Rest in peace black/asian Caesars

[compact quail]

Yeah, the "Hey so there was some kooky rebellious AI robot that was stored in a closet somewhere by some guy named Benny and now it's running the entire city after House perishes" arc doesn't really work for any non-invested viewer

[compact bramble]

If the events of NV are canon in the show this is like the only possibility

[modern beacon]

Well either way we know this is just House anyway even if its a yes man ai acting house. No matter what this is house with his memories, decisions, and ideas

what i believe happened is Yes Man got turned into a victor

[compact bramble]

Idk if someone uploaded a perfect mind state copy of you and then you died, would it be you?

[modern beacon]

He looked through databanks for personalities to be more assertive and got caught

[compact quail]

What I believe Yes Man is scrapped in some garbage dumpster or never existed

[dense wharf]

i dont really think canon victory matters, the show is its own self-contained thing anyways

[grizzled garden]

i don't think yes man is still in control

[modern beacon]

Well yea i agree too. Hes gone

like theres not rlly a way to use him. Even the devs themselves stated they wish he had more decisive decisions

[grizzled garden]

why would it be house fading back in when lucy and max weren't looking and not yes man if it was actually yes man

[last steppe]

I wonder if House Signal Lost is just a rouse

[grizzled garden]

it is, there's no reason for house to be off again

[modern beacon]

it flashed his face at the end scene

[grizzled garden]

no one touched the cold fusion, he's just playing dead

[modern beacon]

the reason he goes offline is so Max and Lucy dont interact yet

[last steppe]

No I know so I wonder if he's either transferring back from the pipboy or pretending to be off line

I wonder if he has any securitrons left

[modern beacon]

House has access to basically all Robco devices including the terminals

[modern moss]

Glorious NCR vet sniper shot 🔥

[grizzled garden]

likely playing dead

[compact quail]

He briefly flickers back on the screen when they're looking out the window and not at his direction

[last steppe]

No I know 😄

I meant do we think he's playing dead, or transferring back from the pipboy

[dense wharf]

he turns on for a brief moment at the ending scene so yeah lol

[modern beacon]

hes studying lucy and max for potential employees

[dense wharf]

probs both

he transfers back from the pipboy, then plays dead

[modern beacon]

He even has access to see through power armor

[last steppe]

Interestingly with Coop before the cold Fusion it says "No Signal" rather than "Signal Lost"

[modern beacon]

House has made it clear how he knows all

[charred sapphire]

people thinking s3 is gonna be about house are going to be disappointed, he clearly has no agency in the plot beyond just trying to stay alive, and pointing out the enclave are out there

[last steppe]

I didn't say it would be about him, rather what role will he play

I don't care if we only see 5m of him, he's a cool character, and I like Justin's portrayal

[modern beacon]

No signal in technical terms means a monitor is on but no input from the source (house is in pipboy). Aka Powered off. But “Signal Lost” means a signal was interrupted due to network failure. (House died)

[grizzled garden]

surely he has some relevance?

[charred sapphire]

he's gonna be put into a pipboy like glados from portal, and it will be like a comic relief bit

[last steppe]

Omg I won't miss you

[charred sapphire]

thats what i assumed at the end of s1 but a full season went by and basically its what i said

[last steppe]

I don't know why you even watch the show

[modern beacon]

He has made it his mission to destroy the enclave because they are keeping him away from his goal

[jagged wing]

I hope lucy thaws those frozen investors and hand them over to the ncr

[charred sapphire]

to see what theyre doing on the west coast when its clearly not about the west coast?

[fiery plinth]

My monkey brain activated saying he did the thing

[modern beacon]

he cant come out on top and rebuild vegas if the Enclave will just come in and place deathclaws in the strip which is what they did

The reason it may have not been his goal during the events of new vegas is because he assumed the enclave were dead when the oil rig blew up during the events of Fo2

[compact quail]

I wonder what happened with Barbara and Jaynie - It couldn't be the case that they were never in the cryopods, or else they'd be dead by now, so they somehow got thawed out of the Vegas vault and... trekked throughout the Wateland to Colorado on their own?

The only scenario I can forsee here is that the Enclave took them out when they apparently 'attacked Vegas' with the Deathclaws, discreetly, and put them both on a vertibird to their compound.

[modest ginkgo]

I’ve watched the second season of the series, but there’s one thing I still don’t understand. If, in the final episode, there is a flashback showing Cooper being arrested, then how is it possible that in the very first episode of season one he sees the nuclear bombs falling together with his daughter? And if that actually happened, why did he later believe that Vault-Tec had placed his daughter into hibernation together with her mother, if he was with her in Los Angeles at a birthday party when the bombs fell?

Did he take her somewhere afterward where his daughter was taken away, but he wasn’t? And from Fallout 4 we know that once a bomb detonates, there is very little time before the blast wave reaches you and even that alone is devastating.

So if that scene wasn’t just some misleading, nonsensical dream, then from a narrative standpoint it makes no sense that in the first episode they leave a birthday party, get into a car while the bombs are already falling, yet later his daughter ends up in a cryogenic hibernation pod while Cooper himself is arrested beforehand. So what, was he suddenly released afterward? There are simply too many contradictions.

Don’t get me wrong the story isn’t bad, and it’s clear they’re trying to please fans with various Easter eggs, but at the same time there are quite a few inconsistencies throughout.

For example, if Cooper “revived” Mr. House, then why does the episode end with “Signal Lost”? Did he take the cold fusion technology with him? Also, in my opinion, it was a poor choice that we didn’t just see a still image of Mr. House, but a video of him with moving facial features and mouth, and so on.

[charred sapphire]

he literally just wants to stay alive lol, he has nothing left, his securitrons are gone, his body is gone, he's just a computer program now

[modern beacon]

He can still come out on top if he plays his cards right which is his character to do so

[jagged wing]

@modern beacon if you ask me I don't care if House takes over the mojave if he can land a hand in destroying the enclave then he can rule over it

[modern beacon]

You are assuming face value but not actually how hes bargaining with everyone

[last steppe]

He was McArthured, he was arrested for un-American activities which is why he's no longer a big Hollywood star

[compact quail]

1. Cooper was released somehow. Maybe due to House's influence or Barbara request for pardon, unclearl.

2. It's a bit unrealistic but he probably made it to some tunnel network or vertibird or vault in time when he put Jaynie on the horse

[modern beacon]

If he gets access to Enclave tech think about what he can do. Its why he wanted cooper to take him to the Enclave

[charred sapphire]

he has no leverage, his securitron army is long gone, so hes just dependent on what asspull the writers come up, my guess he will take control of quintus's liberty prime alpha

[modern moss]

Also I think it’s important to note that he had a lil panic when cooper left, cause his whole plan even in fallout nv was to have an extremely talented individual do most of the legwork

[modern beacon]

House wouldnt be limited to only vegas. He’d have access to pre war Enclave tech

[modern beacon]

He can make a deal with lucy of the possibility to fix her dad. Which he can very much lie

[modern moss]

House didn’t account for the enclave, I think it’s the other way around

[modern beacon]

House was fully aware Hank was in the vault messing with his tech

[last steppe]

To me house was in very much a "I better do what Coop says otherwise I die"

[compact quail]

Terrible plotline. What's done is done, no need for back-and-forth regrets

[last steppe]

Just let him do what he wants, then I can spin it to my advantage

[modern beacon]

either way they arnt gonna boot off the actor of the show it seems

A deal is gonna be made with Lucy and Max in some way so they interact

Its why Lucy and Max even go inside lucky 38 which the story didnt need to btw

They could have just went to freeside.

[compact quail]

Yeah but the old Hank has exhausted his usefulness as Lucy's prodigal father, and after tearfully mourning him, she just walks away and leaves him to sit there on the steps. Her father is now dead to her.

So he's gonna occupy some new role as a memory-wiped good guy is my guess

[last steppe]

Yeah how convenient they're right where house is for the start of season 3 looking on the legion advancing on Vegas

[charred sapphire]

thats a problem i have with the show as well, they retconned house to have mind control tech full ready to go, which he never used in FNV. its just more evidence how the story was retooled to fit on the west coast because this character has no agency in the show despite being a key figure

[last steppe]

That isn't a retcon

[modern beacon]

its not rlly “retcon” when we knew nothing physically about what House did in his freetime during the pre war era besides being a billionaire

[last steppe]

^ we know he founded RobCo and feuded with his brother, that's it

[modern beacon]

This wasnt something retconned because nothing changed. U keep saying he just wants to be alive. No duh ofc he wants to be. But he was very insistent on finding the enclave

[grizzled garden]

as much as i want house to have some more relevance in s3, I want lucy and max to go further north to visit NCR territory

[charred sapphire]

if he had mind control tech available to him, why didnt he use it in NV

[modern beacon]

How can he inject chips into people using securitrons

[charred sapphire]

his only agency in the plot is that he wants to stay alive, so whats the point of having him in the plot beyond memberberries

[charred sapphire]

he has fixers, you play a fixer in the game FNV

[patent dagger]

Most likely since vault tec had part of theirs written down

[modern beacon]

House was focused on protecting vegas and not caring about what his citizens do as long as they make money

[compact quail]

As far as I remember, in New Vegas House actually never speaks so much as a single word to the Courier about the Enclave, doesn't he? Even when you get the dialogue tree to inquire about his opinion on all the different factions. It is probably a tiny bit inconsistent.

[modern beacon]

The reason he made that device is 1. hes an inventor. 2. He’s selling it.

it wasnt in his interest to use them for world domination

[charred sapphire]

so why wouldnt he try to mind control people to gain more access to information, especially if those who are mindcontrolled are more trustworthy than random raiders

[patent dagger]

I don’t think qunitus needed a chapter just a push, same with the new caesar

[modern beacon]

Because he underestimates people as he usually does. And he believed threatening people with securitrons is effective

[charred sapphire]

but what about the strip domination? he doesnt care about that?

[modern beacon]

also because literally securtrons arnt designed to put chips in people.

[modern beacon]

if u played new vegas you’d know he doesnt care what anyone does as long as its to his benefit

he says himself he does not care what people do at their leisure as long as they dont cross him

[charred sapphire]

and mind controlling people to "rig the game" is not to his benefit? instead of relying on them to scheme against him which they do

[patent dagger]

If house cared what people did for their own leisure he would not let the omertas be

[modern beacon]

im gonna say this AGAIN

1. The securitrons arnt designed to put chips in people
2. Hes a freaking computer monitor not a person
3. he doesnt care if u played the game

[compact quail]

I mean obviously there are going to be oddities and inconsistencies in this regard because The Enclave is practically a dead faction after Fallout 3 - They were already Palpatine'd once to serve as the chief villains of 3 after occupying the same final antagonist position in Fallout 2, Bethesda was probably just about done with them at that point except for Prequels like 76 perhaps, but then you had to dredge them up again for the show because they're such a major part of the Fallout universe.

[modern beacon]

He cant put chips in people if he literally PHYSICALLY cant pull that off

[charred sapphire]

the fact that his agency is so limited in the show, the fact that the whole freeside inclusion in the show is so patchy and ... weird, just speaks to me of the fact that the story was 100% retooled to fit on the west coast, and achieved through extensive reshoots

[compact bramble]

Quarry Junction still had Deathclaws in it and people think the Courier existed in this universe smdh

[patent dagger]

The enclave has hinted to have other locations for a long time

[modern beacon]

no i think ur overthinking whats essentially obvious and dont understand New Vegas or the Show

[charred sapphire]

1. he doesnt need securitrons to do it
2. why does this matter
3. he cares a lot about people backstabbing him

[patent dagger]

Don’t interact with him

[compact quail]

Other locations =/= functional chain of command.

[modern beacon]

“he doesnt need securitrons to do it” He’s a monitor

He cant force people to just put the chips on him because thats basically threatening conflict. He unified the families to be his employees.

[patent dagger]

I think what they are implying is the oil rig was not the real chain of command and the original enclave is still preserved

[last steppe]

@modern beacon just leave it feelgoodman is almost troll level hater on the show

[compact bramble]

I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch… they’re the biggest faction in the wasteland and always will be. definitely not as bad as bringing Palpatine back. I’ve always thought of them as divided into cells regionally anyway. Cut off the head and the body grows a new one.

[charred sapphire]

i understand the fact that the show is actively avoiding explaining why its world building is the way it is, why are the NCR gone, why are they back now, why did coop not run into any NCR settlements between boneyard and new vegas, why, why.. why? the answer is because they arent interested in exploring the world building, because the decision to place the story on the west coast was likely a studio mandated decision.

[modern beacon]

He let the families in new vegas literally kill strippers in the basement because it doesnt exactly matter to him. Even the white glove society are currently cannibals and only u the courier has to deal with them and if u didnt. He couldnt have done anything

[patent dagger]

The florida enclave is out there mutating gators

[modern beacon]

Like if u think House is flawed then explain new vegas

[charred sapphire]

all of these mental gymnastics about why the NCR aren't in the story beyond superficial inclusion, why house has no real agency, are easily explained by late changes in direction of the story.

[modern beacon]

Are u saying New Vegas plot is flawed because thats basically what ur coming to a conclusion to

[patent dagger]

The omerta thing he did not know about that was a failing on his part given the nature of the plot

[modern beacon]

ya and without US the player he’d never have known and allowed it unintetionally

again another example House rlly does not care enough to investigate people as long as they benefit him

[patent dagger]

The funny thing is would the chlorine bomb hurt securitrons

[last steppe]

Because House is a mob boss

[charred sapphire]

im saying he would mind control people if he actually had mind control tech available like the show suggests he had when he woke up 15 years prior to FNV's events

[modern beacon]

Unless ur the Kings who disrupt NCR citizens thanks to one of their members. House does get involved

[patent dagger]

He specifically does not send his robots into the casinos

[compact quail]

Well after pretty much blasting the Enclave's presidents and direct underlings and HQ's to smithereens twice, I believe New Vegas has actually given us a taste of what Bethesda ( And myself ) would imagine the 'remaining' Enclave outposts to be in the shape of the Enclave Remnants - mostly just disorganized and disconnected veterans.

And non-existent in the Commonwealth. I guess a Colorado compound with some scientists isn't that out of the question but I'm surprised they still have such an iron grip over Vault affairs and communications.

[compact bramble]

House had no problem letting America die for his vision

[last steppe]

Maybe House just didn't want to mind control people

[compact bramble]

Sounds like your average capitalist billionaire, don’t see why people glaze him so hard

[last steppe]

Like he is actually opposed to it

[modern beacon]

ok then are u saying New Vegas plot is flawed then, because its not

[charred sapphire]

its pretty obvious house's role was originally written for a generic west tek higher up or an enclave glowie. why would house have nukes, or mind control tech?

[patent dagger]

To be fair we have never seen the vault tec control hub for the vaults so maybe this is it

[compact bramble]

It is. It was written in 18 months

[last steppe]

House didn't have nukes

[queen swift]

We glaze him because he’s a fucking fruit

At least that’s my reason

[compact bramble]

Doesn’t mean it’s not a great game.

[modern beacon]

U have been told so many times why house does what he does in the games it justifies his actions why he doesnt mind control people

[charred sapphire]

no, again, i'm saying house would mind control at least 1 person if he had the tech like the show assures he had.

[patent dagger]

House never had nukes

[last steppe]

Moldaver thought he did she is an unreliable narrator

[modern beacon]

House wouldnt mind control anybody because he doesnt care as long as they dont cross him. Its his character in GAME. Play the game dude

[patent dagger]

And maybe a plant

[charred sapphire]

wasnt there a robco logo in the nuclear bunker

[modern beacon]

He made the chip to sell to vault tec for cold fusion

He was making a product not an evil plan

[last steppe]

Which nuclear bunker?

[compact bramble]

Source is what, that you made it the fuck up?

[modern beacon]

He did it in the show

[charred sapphire]

i dont know why you keep insisting this, he constantly has a need for people to do his bidding because as you realized yourself, he doesnt have a useful body

[compact quail]

I mean even the 'Super duper secret half mile buried enormous Enclave management Vault' that is accessible from some sketchy tunnels that apparently now House knows about as well is clearly a TV rectcon that none of the New Vegas devs even thought of, so they definitely are manufacturing Enclave out of thin air in various places.

[patent dagger]

Also robco makes a lot of tech

[last steppe]

Yeah you see this in the show

[modern beacon]

House literally sells the chip to Barb in one scene for cold fusion its literally the whole fucking point of the season

[patent dagger]

The word of devs is not the full extent of a location shrug

[modern beacon]

It was probably the Enclave who miniaturized the chip and improved it not House

[patent dagger]

They did via vault tec

[queen swift]

How do I make this into a unhilarious joke

[compact bramble]

Oh, I thought you meant the Platinum Chip.

[modern beacon]

My evidence is because he sells the normal size chip and the miniatures were inside the fricking management vault hidden away.

[brazen tinsel]

Marcus will ally with the NCR to defeat the Enclave and the Legion.

[compact bramble]

Different chip. MMMM CHIP

[charred sapphire]

found it

[modern beacon]

Like again its not “reaching” its literally shown in the show

[charred sapphire]

so yeah "house" in the show has nukes

[last steppe]

Ending slides aren't cannon

[queen swift]

It also was definitely shown in the show to be that case

[patent dagger]

These end credits images are dubious

[brazen tinsel]

The mutants and ghouls will probably ally with the NCR, and the next Fallout game will likely take place in Canada.

[last steppe]

They're concept art at best

[charred sapphire]

except they have been accurate every time they've come up.

[patent dagger]

Thats not a silo though

[compact bramble]

I do really love the idea of McCarran getting hit with a radiation bomb though

[charred sapphire]

ok so house doesnt have nukes but hank got a nuke from him and he has his companys name plastered over the nuke silo?

[modern beacon]

again like idk how many times i gotta explain to @charred sapphire stop seeing House as this evil villain. The dudes just a sociopath billionaire who only cares about PROGRESS not a genocidal illuminati government aka the Enclave.

[charred sapphire]

wrong

[compact bramble]

I think the hole in the wall of the Strip was concept art for the Deathclaws knocking Maximus through the gate scene

[compact quail]

I mean, ultimately it's the word of Todd Howard who is now working on the TV shows, but the point I'm trying to make is that they've clearly decided to introduce a bunch of new hidden locales even in previously visited regions that expand the Enclave's hold even though those locations never existed and were patently never intended for the games.

I mean they won't even show or specify where the 'Vegas Management Vault' is accessed from inside Vegas, it's just an obvious 'add-on'.

[modern beacon]

its a steel wall ur showing not a silo

[patent dagger]

Where is it stated hank got the nuke from house

[patent dagger]

There is a skeleton in a chair too

[modern beacon]

Either way yea House does have missile silos but he hasnt used them yet or proven whether they are still remaining

[last steppe]

How do you know Hank got the bomb from House

[charred sapphire]

all of this is clear evidence how the show was retooled to fit the west coast setting, by a studio mandate so they can have memberberries for everyone. it's obvious house's character was originally a west tek representative or an enclave glowie

[patent dagger]

His defences were lasers and codes

[queen swift]

I literally just know show House and from me JUST watching him I knew that this man was not just some evil dude. My guy is misunderstanding House so hard 😭🙏

[modern beacon]

Hank def didnt get the nuke from House knowing how much confirmation Hank was aware with the enclave

[charred sapphire]

stop coping and go look at the sequence yourself, e3 or s4

[brisk obsidian]

We getting fallout tactics in season 3 damn

[modern beacon]

Its a ending slide its not canon

[compact bramble]

Season 3 spoilers: Courier 6 shows up in the last scene behind Lucy and Maximus and yells “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN MY HOUSE”

[modern beacon]

Ur reaching sticks to prove what isnt there

[charred sapphire]

because house's names is plastered on a nuclear silo and he worked with him.

[compact bramble]

“WHO SAID YOU COULD BE HERE”

[modern beacon]

Hank also didnt work for house we have confirmation

[charred sapphire]

name 1 time the ending slides weren't accurate.

[compact quail]

Courier 6 shoots first and asks questions later.

[modern beacon]

His message was sent to the Enclave base.

[brisk obsidian]

Did hank work for the enclave?

[grizzled garden]

when was it mentioned that hank worked for house?

[compact quail]

Apparently so

[modern beacon]

why would Hank’s message be at an enclave base and not sent to House

[charred sapphire]

they both worked for enclave and hank worked for "house" as well

[queen swift]

It’s pretty explicit that he most likely did

[compact bramble]

Right? “Aww man, you fucked up my basement! steps back to avoid pool of blood spreading”

[modern beacon]

Ok now ur bullshitting House clearly doesnt work for the enclave nor likes them

[patent dagger]

Thats not a silo i can see skeletons and a chair i think

[queen swift]

Why is House in quotation marks

[grizzled garden]

yeah 100%

[modern beacon]

Watch the fucking show dude if ur gonna make shit up @charred sapphire

[compact quail]

It wasn't, but he calls up his boss and says that he's "In Vegas, which is your old stomping ground"

So I guess both House AND the President used to hang out in Vegas... oh well.

[charred sapphire]

its a silo. it even says "launch sequence"

[brisk obsidian]

I believe he was a spy in vault tec then. Steph will prob play a big role then in S3

[last steppe]

HANK DID NOT WORK FOR HOUSE

[patent dagger]

Where

[charred sapphire]

you're the one claiming that what the show literally shows is not real

[modern beacon]

house is not a member of the enclave. Hes made it pretty clear he doesnt like their existence

[last steppe]

Have you even watched the show?

[queen swift]

The show made that explicit like huh

[compact quail]

I am a member of the Enclave.

[charred sapphire]

house has access to nuclear bombs

the show literally shows you this

[queen swift]

Definitely not

[modern beacon]

House has access to missiles

[grizzled garden]

what would house even do with nukes

[patent dagger]

Someone other than feelgood tell me if that image is a silo

[last steppe]

I don't know how you could watch the show and come away with these brain dead takes

[charred sapphire]

what do you think is inside a ballistic missile

[modern beacon]

Play new vegas again dumbass. Missiles and Nukes arnt the same thing

[last steppe]

It's like you're watching a totally different Fallout TV show

[charred sapphire]

he has access to both ballistic missiles and nukes

[queen swift]

“Not real” ahh look who can’t say contradiction or maybe even retconned 😭

[modern beacon]

Moving the goal post. yea lets assume he has both now

[compact bramble]

What House had is more like the Iron Dome than an offensive nuclear capability

[last steppe]

^

[charred sapphire]

why would he own a silo but not the actual nukes

[modern beacon]

mf a ballistic missile is a rocket designed to target a specific path. Atomic bombs were used to be dropped from the air

[grizzled garden]

honestly atp im not sure who hank could be talking to

[queen swift]

May I propose that he just felt silly

[solar moon]

If coop is going to Colorado is tactics canon?

[last steppe]

Nah

[grizzled garden]

highly doubt that it's house, because couldn't he have just went up to check on house?

[charred sapphire]

so he has a silo, which is used to launch nuclear devices, but no access to nuclear devices?

[last steppe]

That's where the cancelled Interplay Fallout 3 game was going to be set

[patent dagger]

More likely pieces of van buren than tactics

[compact bramble]

If we get a Tactics reference in Season 3 I am gonna ||Fisto|| my pants

[last steppe]

Look up Van Buren, it's got some great lore that developed into the later games

[modern beacon]

House never said he had nuclear weapons. He said he had missiles, lasers, and jammers to stop incoming bombs dropping on vegas. Play the fucking game

[solar moon]

We got pieces of van Buren already with the legion and Graham

[hearty vector]

The credits song is really wonderful never heard it before

[modern beacon]

Hank used a nuke to destroy shady sands

[grizzled garden]

nah

[solar moon]

What else is there?

[patent dagger]

I chose my wording for a reason some of van buren is nuts

[charred sapphire]

also the nuke we saw in the show had robco detonator, so "house" apparently made nuclear detonators, and silos, but he didnt have access to nuclear devices. this is the shills argument atm

[modern beacon]

A NUCLEAR WARHEAD its not a missile

[last steppe]

Boulder Dome, BOMB01

[compact bramble]

Yeah I’m always down for an Ink Spots song I haven’t heard before

Which is a rarity nowadays

[patent dagger]

If i make steel i don’t automatically have access to a aircraft carrior

[modern beacon]

A nuclear warhead is used to drop from a plane u goof. What we saw in shady sands is a warhead the same ones they drop. He didnt use a nuclear missile @charred sapphire

[charred sapphire]

the game, in which he did not use mind control tech which he purportedly had access to, and where shady sands was still alive in 2277? the game which is in direct disagreement with the TV show?

[solar moon]

You know Utah is between Vegas and Colorado

Me thinks a Mormon might show or at least get referenced

[patent dagger]

No he sold the tec and forgot about it

[drowsy cosmos]

todd gonna have him go the long way around Utah

[compact bramble]

ICBMs were made to deliver nukes but that doesn’t mean they all are nukes

[modern beacon]

we know u didnt play the games with how incorrect ur retelling the games lore

[solar moon]

Will coops journey be season 3 or fallout 5?

[charred sapphire]

robco had a nuke detonator, nuke silo, but no nuclear devices or access to them?

[queen swift]

Yall I love House but can we talk about COOP

[charred sapphire]

which part was incorrect, in the above, could you say?

[compact bramble]

Cold Fusion is so much more powerful, why would he be interested in nukes

[drowsy cosmos]

real life nuclear fallout before fallout season 3 👀 👀 👀

[grizzled garden]

maybe barb and janey are at vault 0?

[modern beacon]

Hank attached a pipboy to detonate that warhead using his own pipboy to control.

[compact bramble]

Spoilers: Fallout 5 is just the life you’re gonna be living in 10 years

[charred sapphire]

he didnt have cold fusion at the start of the story

[patent dagger]

Yeah robco made most computers we see

[brisk obsidian]

Would be sick fallout 5 but 99% sure the enclave base is in Colorado so the show setting will be there

[solar moon]

How is Quintus supposed to power his liberty prime? Didn't they need a powerful fusion battery?

[hearty vector]

I thought it was just I don't want to set the world on fire at first I was pleasantly surprised

[compact bramble]

Yeah but he wanted it. He even mentions in game and in the show how his defenses weren’t at 100% and he got caught off guard

[patent dagger]

Quintus may not have figured it out, he could also be planning to compromise maxsons

[charred sapphire]

so hank is also a nuclear weapon engineer now

[grizzled garden]

i think they're gonna try to take cold fusion from house maybe?

[charred sapphire]

so far hank has invented more stuff than house ever did in FNV

[drowsy cosmos]

what better way to appease the fallout fan base but by dropping the bombs ourselves

• Todd re-release Howard

[patent dagger]

They could also just be planning to sabotage the east coast prime

[last steppe]

So is the Lone Wanderer in Fallout 3 then

[solar moon]

What the fuck did Hank even do at the end? Did it only affect him?

[patent dagger]

Well yeah house was not inventing

[modern beacon]

1. House doesnt give a fuck about what citizens in new vegas due as long as they dont cross him or disgust/annoy him.

2. House made the control chips to sell to vault tec for Cold Fusion.

3. House didnt work for the enclave because he had a whole episode going crazy unknowing about the enclave and who will end the world

4. House used missiles, lasers, and jammers. He doest have nukes

5. Hank could have gotten nukes from that vault which was owned and made for the enclave as House said it was for Vault Tec’s “investors”

[compact bramble]

Do you know why every Ink Spots song starts with the same refrain? It’s an old tactic from the radio days to keep people from changing the dial. They did it for brand recognition basically almost like a jingle

[last steppe]

Feels like he committed suicide by wiping his own memory

Rather than give up Enclave secrets

[solar moon]

Coward

[glacial yew]

is coopers family alive? that postcard wasnt dated it couldve been like 50 years old

[drowsy cosmos]

just like the cia

[brisk obsidian]

Would be sick if he pretends he brainwashed himself

[grizzled garden]

pretty sure he activated a bunch of enclave sleeper agents

[compact bramble]

Dude I could’ve faked that shit so easy though 💀

[charred sapphire]

my point is house doesnt have nukes, but the show clearly shows how he has access to them, because its obvious the original story treatment didnt have house. so the show had to invent the fact of house having access to all the shit that was originally meant for some random westtek employee most likely

[glacial yew]

or 100 years old lol

[grizzled garden]

probably, would be pretty lame if they weren't

[compact bramble]

THE WHOLE TIME I was yelling LUCY What if he’s FAKING IT

[solar moon]

I think that's the idea but honestly I'm not sure which it is, could go either way

[drowsy cosmos]

where is arcade gannon in all of this

[glacial yew]

next fallout game is in colorado confirmed. source: trust me

[modern beacon]

He had access to a missile silo to protect vegas. Play the fuckin game

[compact bramble]

On a Honeymoon cruise with Tim Cain

[hearty vector]

Also heard it was because the stations refused to name black artists when playing their songs

[charred sapphire]

no, i meant where in the game of FNV does it mention house's mind control tech or shady sands having fallen

[brisk obsidian]

Thats also my idea but maybe its a bit overkill cheating death a second time

[solar moon]

After all this

No fallout 3 and new Vegas remaster in sight

[glacial yew]

its a tv thing

[modern beacon]

play the fuckin game man

[queen swift]

I feel like House is gonna be correct and they die instantly before they meet him😢

[charred sapphire]

oh so now he has a missile silo for launching ICBMs to protect vegas as well

[drowsy cosmos]

I would love to see a callback to the nv remnants in s3 doe

[modern beacon]

play the game dude

[compact bramble]

That would make sense, too. I’m sure a lot of people who listened to the Ink Spots (and bought their records) had no idea what they looked like.

[grizzled garden]

shady sands was nuked in 83

[charred sapphire]

i have, according to steam for 300 hrs, and i never noticed house mentioning the retconned mind control chips, or shady sand's demise

[glacial yew]

his wife and daughter will kill him since hes a ghoul and we all know how the enclave treats those

[modern beacon]

Im not talking about that stuff. Im talking abt house only had missiles

[compact quail]

Also, we need to talk about the strongest character in the entire Fallout universe as of last episode - Norm. I thought his plot armor couldn't possibly be getting any thicker, but he has now exceeded all expectations. He clearly maxxed out all his points on Luck.

[charred sapphire]

no the show specifies it "fell" in 2277, but this is impossible considering what NPCs in FNV say

[brisk obsidian]

Its bc he sold the tech. And Never thought about it

[modern beacon]

House wouldnt need the chips it doesnt retcon anything. He didnt want to use them

[queen swift]

Either they’re dead or they’ll kill him

[half nova]

The amount of plot armor Norm had as the radroaches just flew or walked past him is crazy

[compact bramble]

So wait, what about those leaked shots of Lucy and Janey in the abandoned church where the mutants are

[modern beacon]

Its in his character bro he doesnt wanna control people in their freetime just keep them in line for money

[charred sapphire]

dont move the goalpost

[drowsy cosmos]

the one attacking his chair js gave up

[brisk obsidian]

Hank revived the tech years later

[queen swift]

Norm put everything on luck

[modern beacon]

how about play the game instead of making shit up

[compact bramble]

The radroaches saw a bunch of bigger meals

[compact quail]

Don't forget how Ronnie decided that he must be killed, TWICE... and then spared him, twice.

[charred sapphire]

you replied to my comment saying to play the game, but the comment was actually directly calling out how the TV show doesnt respect the game, so why would playing the game help your argument, even hypothetically

[half nova]

But this episode was really a big meh imo

[compact bramble]

Ok now we’re getting to the heart of the issue

[modern beacon]

We know u didnt spend 300 hours paying attention to jackshit to come up with dumbass conclusions when we told u House doesnt work for the enclave and neither does the game says he does

[compact bramble]

“The TV show doesn’t respect the game”

[drowsy cosmos]

I really thought norm was just going to start a new tribe of vault dwellers mid season

[brisk obsidian]

Just setting up alot of lore next season

[solar moon]

I don't think we're getting remasters

[charred sapphire]

I called it out, even the big reveal at the end. Quintus suddently just becomes OP by building liberty prime somehow, which means the commonwealth have to step in.

[glacial yew]

so season 3 is basically season 2 part 2

[compact bramble]

Yeah I’m kinda pissed off they killed all the Vaulties off.

[compact quail]

Call it Sandy Shades

[last steppe]

Did anyone notice the musical sting when house flickers at the ending

[modern beacon]

basically

[half nova]

Tbf i dont get how that rumpr was so widespread. Its on a Website called amazonprime not bethesda, and the countdown was on the 3D interactive map

[last steppe]

Gives me goosebumps

[brisk obsidian]

I hope house gets more screentime next season 🙏

[queen swift]

House, House, HOUSE, HOUSE— will play an IMPORTANT role

[half nova]

It feels like we just watched half a season of actual plot

[compact bramble]

I’m glad we’re staying in Vegas but for how long in the season, who knows.

We’ve also got Coop’s solo story in fresh territory which I’m excited for

[charred sapphire]

you're really trying to move the goalpost to where i'm ignorant of the game but it's obvious the tv writers don't respect the game or its lore because of the basic mistakes they keep making, and retconning house

[queen swift]

Hope he gets himself a man

[modern beacon]

The remasters will probably happen another time. Oblivion remastered only just released last year

[solar moon]

I can't say the word because it times me out for "shitposting" but it begins with C and means hope

[queen swift]

Who else thinks this

[ivory fjord]

Radroaches got overpowered cuz they’re actually flying

[modern beacon]

its also def harder to remaster fallout 3 keeping up with the art style and lore consistencies 4 introduced

[half nova]

Problem is, we already have sooo many open storylines.

Lucy and Maximus

The Ghoul

Flashbacks

Norm

Vault 32

Vault 33

BoS

And now House?

[compact quail]

Hate to break it but in the game he keeps the company of robo-girls

[drowsy cosmos]

the new vegas polycule of mr house maximus and Lucy

[brisk obsidian]

I agree. But its good this way. Otherwise it would feel rushed

[solar moon]

They always could

[glacial yew]

colorado will be interesting since its completely brand new territory i thgink

[ivory fjord]

Game wise they’re pretty much just pain in the ahh

[modern beacon]

your complaining about “lore i consistencies” that arnt even the primary ones people complain about

[grizzled garden]

i mean not completely

[half nova]

And now its dragged out. They really made the pacing shit this 2nd season

[modern beacon]

The lore inconsistencies that have been a problem is shady sands and Ghoul feral drugs

[queen swift]

I mean….

He doesn’t have two hands actually he has no hands

He can’t hold any relationship

[brisk obsidian]

Fallout tactics

[glacial yew]

i think in this season more people died to radroaches than deathclaws 😂 😂

[modern beacon]

Except one isnt that problematic and shady sands blowing up was

[sweet rune]

I hope we see the Coors Brewery in Season 3

[quaint monolith]

Bruh, what if Steph's baby is Hank's? And Lucy and Norm have an infant half-brother

[charred sapphire]

just because i didnt complain about the inconsistencies in this convo doesnt mean i dont also complain about those lore inconsistencies, thats the advantage i have is the writers make so many basic mistakes, and you are having to try to jump thru hoops to cover it up.

[last steppe]

Not people, Americans

[queen swift]

I mean the people who did were Vault Tech worshippers so like what did you expect

[brisk obsidian]

Yeah true. They will prob combine norm and lucy. And something will happen to vault 32 and 33

[drowsy cosmos]

The boulder dome 🥹 🙏

[solar moon]

So everyone in vault 32 is gonna get turned into super mutants right?

[modern beacon]

i aint jumping through shit cause ive played new vegas

[glacial yew]

norm and his new gf are gonna start a new tribe fallout 2 style

[last steppe]

Low key I would love this

[modern beacon]

I told u House isnt an enclave member. Everyone on this server can agree with that

[charred sapphire]

yes you are, claiming house had mind control tech, or how shady sands fell in 2277

[solar moon]

But he's not

[modern beacon]

Wtf would House be apart of the enclave. Anyone wanna explain how

[brisk obsidian]

Ofc he aint.

[drowsy cosmos]

House didn't know about the enclave until after the bombs fell

[sweet rune]

Love the pfp!

[modern beacon]

Exactly thank u

[last steppe]

Anthony House

[glacial yew]

no one thinks house is enclave

[brisk obsidian]

Scatman goated

[solar moon]

He knew of another player but he didn't know their name

[modern beacon]

like jeez notice how everyone watched the show and u didnt @charred sapphire

[compact quail]

Norm's plot armor is so powerful that it even magically extends to his girlfriend who is the sole survivor of the radroaches with minimal injuries

[drowsy cosmos]

right

[sweet rune]

Scatman's World is one of my favorite songs to sing to :D

[queen swift]

I can understand why the term “hetslop” was made now

[glacial yew]

hes the npc scripted to respawn even if he dies

[last steppe]

I like Claudia but wish her and Norm had sheltered out of the room together

[quaint monolith]

Headcanon is that he just has really high Luck

[sweet rune]

He's flagged as essential

[charred sapphire]

i watched the show where it told me the house i worked with in NV across 300hrs of playthrus had mind control tech, but he still needed couriers and fixers to work for him, and where NPCs talk about shady sands as if it hadn't suddently "fallen"

[brisk obsidian]

When u aim at him your crosshair dissapears

[grizzled garden]

the mind control tech was essentially just a prototype at that point

[queen swift]

Norm is better single lowkey he better not get with Claudia

[sweet rune]

God I need to go to bed, it's 5am

[modern beacon]

Explain 👏 how House is an 👏 enclave member

[glacial yew]

"you missed" "you missed" "you missed" "you missed"

[quaint monolith]

My question is... where did all the radroaches go?

[drowsy cosmos]

buhbuhbut there awerent any essential chawacters in new vegas 🤓 ☝️

[brisk obsidian]

Vats 0% damn

[queen swift]

I need to put my school clothes on😭🙏

[charred sapphire]

your strawman whataboutism aside, you can't answer those 2 questions.

[quaint monolith]

There were like 20 of them in that room and they're all just gone when he goes in there

[brisk obsidian]

Show really made me hate the enclave for some reason

[solar moon]

You think if house had mind control the ultra lux would be cannibals? Or benny would make yes man?

No, he didn't have it because he sold it for cold fusion

[modern beacon]

U cant answer what i just asked

[charred sapphire]

because it was never my claim that he was an enclave member. your turn.

[compact quail]

He does, it's not even a one-off. He starts out by evading all the raiders in Episode 1 too

[drowsy cosmos]

they got full and left

[modern beacon]

i also said Hank works for the enclave not house

[brisk obsidian]

Wth are you guys even yapping about

[sweet rune]

Glad I'm not alone in being on my phone when I really should be doing something else

[solar moon]

Everyone has official stats guys

[drowsy cosmos]

didn't pay the bill either

[brisk obsidian]

Norm: Luck 10 charisma 10. He is him

[queen swift]

I do this every day lowkey

I was so sleepy I messed up my schedule

[charred sapphire]

categorically wrong. enclave is a shadow organization, he doesnt bill "enclave".

[grizzled garden]

the mind control technology was never finished under house, he just used it for leverage for the cold fusion

[quaint monolith]

And I guess his girl getting thrown directly into the elevator button which sets off the chain of events of the roaches escaping also backs this up

[last steppe]

Needs to have some in Int for Nerd Rage

[glacial yew]

high int and -10 strength

[queen swift]

Intelligence 10 too like bro

[brisk obsidian]

Damn i forgot that

[modern beacon]

again just using phrases ive used on u saying “moving goal posts” and shit ive already said.

[sweet rune]

I messed up my sleep schedule by taking my ADHD medication too late in the day and now it's delayed by like 5 hours off what it should be (ik going to sleep at midnight is still pretty late)

[brisk obsidian]

Endurance also 10

[glacial yew]

add the lady killer perk too

[compact quail]

True. Getting spared by Ronnie twice, taking multiple blows to the head with no concussion, he is just the guy.

[drowsy cosmos]

norm might be a fallout sleeper build

[brisk obsidian]

15 second cooldown damn

[queen swift]

You.. go to sleep!?!?

[glacial yew]

clearly norm got upgrades at the clinic

[quaint monolith]

It wasn't until my most recent rewatch of season 1 that I realized that Lucy is quite literally listing her specialized skills at the beginning

[drowsy cosmos]

clearly norm fw with the followers

[modern beacon]

she on the character creation

[sweet rune]

What's funny is once I am asleep, I just wanna be cozy forever

[sweet rune]

I would love this

[charred sapphire]

speaking of goalposts, i answered your strawman whataboutism, can you answer how house has nukes in the TV show when he doesnt have them in the game works, or how he has mind control tech which he didnt have in the game works? because i can explain it very easily. "house" was never written as house, but a westtek employee or an enclave glowie.

[modern beacon]

house doesnt have nukes

[brisk obsidian]

💀

[charred sapphire]

he has access to nukes.

he has access to their detonators.

he has access to the people who operate silos.

[quaint monolith]

He has 0 strength though, that's the other balance to his attributes

[modern beacon]

Guys anyone wanna pitch in and prove house has nukes

[brisk obsidian]

House has missiles

[quaint monolith]

But maybe has the adamantium skeleton perk to prevent himself from being crippled from head injuries

[charred sapphire]

the real house doesn't have, when i say "house" i am talking about the TV show "house"

[modern beacon]

tried telling him but he insists the warhead in shady sands implies house has nukes

[solar moon]

He doesn't

[sweet rune]

Sometimes when I'm reading this chat I think about House M.D.

[brisk obsidian]

Show is canon tho. Howard said

[glacial yew]

i dont think house has nukes, just nuke deterrents

[queen swift]

real

[drowsy cosmos]

anti air systems

[modern beacon]

House is House

[solar moon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[queen swift]

Guys can we talk about how HOT The Ghoul is

[quaint monolith]

I mean, he could've gotten the nuke from any unknown military facility

[lilac raven]

so Hank is part of the Enclave, I'm very sure the Deathclaws were 'moved' to the Strip on purpose to lock House in place.

[solar moon]

Is house physical body gone or do you think it's still around?

[modern beacon]

he confirmed its dead

[quaint monolith]

Or Nellis AFB, they'd probably have one stashed there somewhere

[charred sapphire]

until theres actual lore confirmation of house working as a defense contractor working to build nuke silos, no.

or having mind control tech by 2277.

[solar moon]

Well he didn't really confirm, he just said there's been attempts on his life

[brisk obsidian]

He prob realistically got the bombs from a vault tec vault somewhere

[sweet rune]

MORE MOUSE RADROACH BITES

[drowsy cosmos]

only one sexier ghoul and thats raul

[lilac raven]

House probably achieved immortality via consciousness transference to his network.

[glacial yew]

if you have ammo for a fatman then you have nukes so maybe house does have nukes

[modern beacon]

Well heres the thing. If house’s body is around, that would imply his consciousness exists twice.

[solar moon]

Are the deathclaws in Vegas mind controlled? Because how did the enclave get them into Vegas?

[last steppe]

He did, ties in with that Ghouls ship of Theseus speech

[lament copper]

New countdown?

[round crow]

Would it be surprising if house had nukes though

[drowsy cosmos]

herded them like cattle

[solar moon]

More behind the scenes most likely

[sweet rune]

I like to imagine they paradropped in

[solar moon]

How tf do you herd a deathclaw?

[brisk obsidian]

They came from the quarry right

[glacial yew]

maybe dropped a bunch of deathclaw eggs in the strip

[lilac raven]

lured them in to cause chaos and force House into a standstill.

[compact quail]

They threw human remains on the ground on a trail all the way from the quarry.

[modern beacon]

he said he was “glad to be alive”

[drowsy cosmos]

really sharp sticks

[quaint monolith]

I mean, the Enclave in fo3 quite literally have mind controlled deathclaws

[glacial yew]

damn so snuffles is dead

[solar moon]

What like the wolves in Yellowstone?

[modern beacon]

This basically implies House did die at some point if hes glad to be alive

[lilac raven]

either that or they really were mind controlled from the get go and forced into the Strip to just act as a buffer system

[compact quail]

Maybe they just petted them.

[drowsy cosmos]

I knew chomps Lewis was in on it thats why I blow his head smoove off every playthrough

[solar moon]

https://tenor.com/view/piece-candy-james-woods-piece-of-candy-gif-5697237

[compact bramble]

They tried to blow my head smoove off but I rolled a 20

[glacial yew]

hopefully season 3 is under 2 years away

[brisk obsidian]

Do we know if it was yes man or victor in the penthouse?

[quaint monolith]

They could've mezzed the deathclaws at the quarry and sent them to the strip

[sweet rune]

They paradropped wolves in Yellowstone? I knew they reintroduced wolves into the park but I didn't know that's how they did it

I was more imagining a WW2 style paratrooper

[compact bramble]

Nah >>

[modern beacon]

Not really but its the only securitron there. Normally House has 2 on each side + Victor and that girl securitron

[glacial yew]

can be either since they can transfer bodies

[drowsy cosmos]

where the hell is my big beautiful boomers

[solar moon]

I think it was Yellowstone they airdropped wolves? Somewhere airdropped wolves to cull herbivores

[lilac raven]

it just seems silly that the Deathclaws would rather starve in the strip and eat one another instead of oh, I dunno, use their climbing and massive strength to just bypass the Strip walls to hunt about?

[brisk obsidian]

True

[robust tide]

dangled a really big ham from a vertibird

[quaint monolith]

I'm definitely also sad that I didn't get to see my beloved cazadores

[sweet rune]

That's hilarious, I'll have to look it up

[drowsy cosmos]

prob just to deter them from interfering with hank

[quaint monolith]

Maybe we'll get them next season

[violet elm]

So offically spekaing, The legion is dead as it dies with Edward Sallow, and in its place is a husk being puppeted by those who can never let go of the past

[compact bramble]

Bro can you imagine being a conscripted Chinese trooper and seeing fucking Deathclaws parachuting into your village

[modern beacon]

my guess is they were enclave mind controlled as the show kinda confirms this

[last steppe]

Yepp

[brisk obsidian]

And we still dont know what happened to our ghoul/centaur boy

[solar moon]

They couldn't get past the loading zone without crashing

[sweet rune]

War never changes or something

[grizzled garden]

the legion 2

[modern beacon]

The Enclave planted the deathclaws inside and it makes sense they’d have those chips in them to stay there

[last steppe]

They're mind controlled, it could be they're incapable of moving unless directly threatened

[quaint monolith]

I like how a bunch of us thought there were only like 3 or 4 deathclaws, but that's a FNV deathclaw family if I've ever seen one

[glacial yew]

thaddeus? hes probably downgraded to cameo now

[brisk obsidian]

I like to believe courier six killed the deathclaws

[brisk obsidian]

Nah he will become major (source trust me bro)

[compact bramble]

I think the mind control chip is a great explanation for why the Deathclaw didn’t eat Coop, too

[modern beacon]

its also possible the reason the deathclaw eats another is keeping the ones who were born without chips to stay inside. Also to eat

[last steppe]

Yeah could be

[last steppe]

Racist deathclaws

[modern beacon]

again what i love about the show is theres a lot of ways to theorize

[drowsy cosmos]

legate mccallister had some pretty dry acting during the finale compared to his first appearance

[compact bramble]

Or the Enclave just snuck a bunch of eggs in and no one realized until they were hatching

[last steppe]

Fancy, what if the deathclaws had a nuke tho

[astral cipher]

One thing I'd like to comment
The ||NCR|| contingent isn't massive sure but I don't see how it might be that out of the question to have them actually come from ||an NCR city? After all the NCR seems to still be on its' feet, as much as many people wanted to think otherwise||

[brisk obsidian]

Thaddeus will just become master 2.0. Or the powersource in some way for liberty prime

[last steppe]

Ever thought of that your small brained peon?

[modern beacon]

Maximus dad will show up dw

[quaint monolith]

I can't help but wonder if there's a connection between House's control chips and Institute synths, as if maybe in the prewar world they were in cahoots about ways to have fully controllable people

[violet elm]

I guess they can never truely live without the man himself

[drowsy cosmos]

Thaddeus powered tungsten titan

[last steppe]

OMG! It's Max's dad with the steel chair

[modern beacon]

i think its possible

[brisk obsidian]

Just trust me on that theory

[quaint monolith]

Especially considering that House apparently attended CIT

[modern beacon]

The institute if i remember do use robco tech still wouldnt they

[grizzled garden]

i believe it's only one company we see in the episode, the entire battalion is nearby

[compact bramble]

When Thaddeus fired the shot I really expected him to have grown a tentacle in place of an arm or something

[last steppe]

It was a weird cult of personality built up around an egomaniac

[charred sapphire]

how would the enclave, who arent anywhere around in FNV besides hank, implant a bunch of deathclaws with mind control chips? in FO3 the way mind controlled death claws work is they are in a cage with guy controlling it.

[astral cipher]

That could be an option

[modern beacon]

Like Gen 3 Synths are basically artificially created humans with chips

[drowsy cosmos]

I was gonna say how did house not realize the enclave exists when they use his tech but then I noted they prolly just disguised it under a government contract didn't they

[last steppe]

Easy they come from outside Vegas

In the 15 years between the show and the game

[quaint monolith]

It is interesting how one is putting a tiny bit of tech into a living person, another is just the other way around by making the person completely from scratch, free will and all but they already have a chip inside them

[modern beacon]

Also is it not hard to imagine a guy wearing APA tryna wrangle a deathclaw putting chips in them

[sweet rune]

Very random, but I really hope that in a future Jones x Fallout collab we get an actual Nuka Cola. Don't get me wrong, I loved Quantum and Nuka-Grape, I'd just love to actually try the regular cola

[modern beacon]

maximus was capable of taking on like more than 4 deathclaws

[grizzled garden]

a battalion can be up to a thousand troops, so i think it would make a lot of sense for the NCR to actually have a fighting force against the hundreds of legion soldiers that are coming

[charred sapphire]

its pretty likely the deathclaws are just acting like NPCs because they cant act like how they would actually act. same goes to freeside and the insane people that dont behave like actual humans, like ignoring a guy who's impaled on a lamppost, or taking bets on if theyre gonna live or die all happy. the whole freeside bits feel like hasty rewrites.

[modern beacon]

not to mention u have rangers with anti material rifles to just blow over any cover

[sweet rune]

Apparently we're getting Nuka-Orange and Nuka-Cherry next

[last steppe]

Could even be baby deathclaws

[violet elm]

the thing about Authoritarians is that they're designed to fail the moment the man god dies, people will try to cling on to something similar, the gold they value now crumbled into a nugget, trying to piece it together with glue since it's the only life they know

[drowsy cosmos]

they might be split up into squads to cover more ground in Vegas and freeside and we only got a look at one

[charred sapphire]

i was actually hoping theres a reveal where all the freesiders are mind controlled, along with death claws, that would explain their actions.

[grizzled garden]

companies*

[queen swift]

Yaoi in season 3

[drowsy cosmos]

foiled again

[modern beacon]

I can def see season 3 with a lot of tactics references or Van buren too

[last steppe]

Tactics should be left to die

Oh wait is tactics the bad one?

[drowsy cosmos]

is this true

[modern beacon]

idk is it

[grizzled garden]

no that's BOS

[modern beacon]

Tactics had the midwest power armor

[violet elm]

I can imagine a settlement filled with mind controlled people, living like it's pre-war America down to the houses, the way they speak, the clothes they wear

[last steppe]

Ahh ok I get mixed up

[charred sapphire]

thats p much pluribus

[drowsy cosmos]

covenant esque

[astral cipher]

Honestly when ||they ended in a cliffhanger with both the Legion and NCR I thought it was blueballing but now that I think about it, it is for the best
If you just had them fight for some minutes and then ended by having one winning and the other run tail between legs never to be thought of again that would have been kinda lame
They seem to be going for a whole war arc with them and that's better honestly||

[modern beacon]

it would be cool if Cooper comes across a Colorado chapter of the BOS

[violet elm]

they'll greet wastelanders like their next door neighbour

[grizzled garden]

i guess you're right

[queen swift]

Yes, I have special intel aka lying

[modern beacon]

Is betheada i wonder still adding more free creations from the show

they added the T-60 pistol and thats kinda it unless u count the bounty hunter

[drowsy cosmos]

yummy misinformation

[quaint monolith]

The way the chipped people in the Vault Tec facility were building the chips in sync reminded me so heavily of the plurbs

[queen swift]

WE love misinforming the public

[violet elm]

Counter-intelligent

[astral cipher]

I'm thinking maybe he'll get to mow down some more Legion there?
That'd be cool

[modern beacon]

im assuming the first episode of s3 starts with Cooper while a war is set up at the strip. ep2 is that battle

[fossil flicker]

Can anyone summarize the episode?

[modern beacon]

ep1 is always the “catch up” stuff

[compact bramble]

We didn’t see Yes Man so it was 0/10

[modern beacon]

House says he isnt into girls like his friends are and a big CGI monster appears

[drowsy cosmos]

friggin propaganda everywhere bro

[ivory fjord]

So i assume that was the courier on the roof shooting deathclaw

[modern beacon]

who’s gonna tell him

[astral cipher]

We are thinking Colorado is still somewhat in Legion hands right?
I assume ||one of the Caesars had it as a territory before Lacerta unified them||

[compact bramble]

You assume wrong it was just some NCR ranger dude

[fossil flicker]

Only trustful information here

[quaint monolith]

I just had a revelation, knowing that Barb and Janey would've gone to one of the management vaults, the fact that she's a VIP by vault-tec standards, and they're in Colorado, they have to be in Vault 0

[ivory fjord]

Anything is possible mate

[queen swift]

IM CRYING

[modern beacon]

ya yk what im talkin abt

[compact bramble]

The Courier looks waaay cooler than that.

[fossil flicker]

COURIER IS ALIVE?

[compact bramble]

What if it’s literally the same NCR ranger who’s shooting the fiend from the opening of the game 💀

[quaint monolith]

I mean we don't know that

[modern beacon]

cool theory ig, i dont see why not

[drowsy cosmos]

yes im alive

[compact bramble]

bro he made it 😭

[modern beacon]

These rangers could be literally anybody

[queen swift]

I’m guessing you mean THIS episode (s2 e8)

Okay so House is gay for The Ghoul, uhh Max fights big monsters but then he lowkey doesn’t have to uhhh Lucy still doesn’t want to kill her dad unfortunately

[dense wharf]

6 hour long sex scene between cooper and mr house

[quaint monolith]

But probably, it's hard to imagine anything being able to canonically kill a player character

[vernal basin]

is the rangers who helping max is courier? i think not right?

[astral cipher]

The Brotherhood map would have been saying otherwise but I don't know how reliable it would be there

[modern beacon]

Dont forget Max and Lucy in the suite

[drowsy cosmos]

pre broken steel fallout 3 mfs would beg to differ

[quaint monolith]

Ah, there is that

[queen swift]

It’s a flashback and it’s important to the story because now you know that House actually killed Cooper’s family 2 seconds later

[compact bramble]

They confirmed what I have thought all along — there are multiple Liberty Primes and they can be constructed, disassembled and reassembled

[modern beacon]

this is why Barb and cooper divorce

[last steppe]

Do we think Norm and Claudia are going to stumble into Phase 2

[astral cipher]

mfw replicable items are replicable

[modern beacon]

I believe they will return to vault 33 abandoned because everyones either dead or abducted by the enclave

[compact bramble]

Well we didn’t know if he was one of a kind or the technology to make him had been lost yet :I don’t you get sassy with me

[dense wharf]

cant forget this peak writing scene

[quaint monolith]

One singular Liberty Prime is enough to lay waste to an entire faction, I can't even fathom what multiple would look like

[sweet rune]

This was a great joke

[drowsy cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[astral cipher]

I'm not getting sassy I'm getting sexy I just found it funny lol

[quaint monolith]

What if we get 2 liberty primes fighting

[last steppe]

I can see that, just with FEV I was wondering if they were gonna spray the vaults or something

[vernal basin]

when the season 3 release?

[modern beacon]

actual hotel btw

[quaint monolith]

The OG versus the Alpha

[dense wharf]

yeah thats the joke

[compact bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-really-gene-wilder-interesting-gif-11722635

[sweet rune]

Likely December 2027-February 2028?

[quaint monolith]

I think they're actually aiming for early 2027, but only time will tell if that ends up being possible

[modern beacon]

a friend sent me that line but he replaced palace with pizza and was very confused

[quaint monolith]

We did get season 2 earlier than anticipated, so you never know

[queen swift]

The writers room is either filled with 30+ or 18 year olds

[sweet rune]

Very true

[quaint monolith]

And I believe they've either already started shooting or are about to start shooting

[drowsy cosmos]

I could never amount to him if I tried... I think compared to him im a... little caesar

[modern beacon]

he said the thing

[drowsy cosmos]

Where's my oscar

[compact bramble]

If they made one Courier companion part of the show, who would you choose?

[grizzled garden]

• Lacerta recovers the note and manipulates everyone to believing he is the new Caesar
• House sends Coop to the management vault
• Max gets his ass beat by deathclaws but gets saved by the NCR company
• Hank was working on miniaturizing the mind control chip, married Steph pre-war and both are enclave
• Barb left Coop a postcard prior to leaving the management vault, sending him on a mission to Colorado
• Hank wipes his memory with a chip, and then activates(?) the chips of a bunch of wastelanders
• Max and Lucy go to the Lucky 38 and House is playing dead
• Quintus is building(?) another Liberty Prime

[compact bramble]

Damn you been working on that since he asked that lol

[modern beacon]

im pretty sure we would all pick Raul or Boone if we are gonna say non-pets/robot

because the actors would def play their role

[compact bramble]

ED-E would be easy to pull off

[drowsy cosmos]

raul would be bones atp he gon look like that chocolate lady from spongebob

[compact bramble]

Raul would be a close second but I think I’m going with Lily

[dense wharf]

i still wish legion got more screentime

[queen swift]

I just watched a leak of season 30 the House x Cooper 50 hour make out session was wild

[dense wharf]

trailers lied to me

[compact bramble]

How you gonna do Danny Trejo like that

[modern beacon]

bros spoiling us

[dense wharf]

the legion was in like every trailer and they get 5 minutes of screentime im dying

[modern beacon]

ill admit i was disappointed with the legion stuff

[compact bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/making-a-silly-face-the-hero-im-a-virgo-flapping-tongue-taunting-face-gif-4877532181180873953

[drowsy cosmos]

"what did you say boss, you know im hard of hearing"

[modern beacon]

Thought we’d get like a 30 minute war scene between NCR and Legion

now i gotta wait for a whole year for that

[compact bramble]

At least they didn’t rush it

[modern beacon]

true

[dense wharf]

i dont need to see a battle between ncr and legion but i wish legate mccaulkin had more time to develop as a character

[grizzled garden]

they're probably just saving it for next season so they can actually go all out for it

[modern beacon]

at least ig ik what to expect for s3 now

[compact bramble]

That was about to be my chief complaint for the season, that it felt rushed

[dense wharf]

also the legion should've played a bigger part in the story i think

[charred sapphire]

thats something the show is making up, the liberty prime is a bespoke design which ECBoS found lying around and restored it. it would not be possible to create one from scratch in the middle of the desert like the show implies

[compact bramble]

Patience my young apprentice

[modern beacon]

yea well watch liberty prime show up lmao

[queen swift]

Season 10000 was crazy lowkey

[vernal basin]

But NCR only has a few troops

[drowsy cosmos]

area 51 zetan tech bro trust

[modern beacon]

i mean i could see the freeside residents at least try to do something ig

[compact bramble]

Amazon Prime… Liberty Prime…
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN

[grizzled garden]

My favorite season is season 777 where they go to china

[modern beacon]

Or maybe House will ask Lucy and Max to release the securitrons at the fort while the NCR hold off as long as they can

[drowsy cosmos]

they have a WORKING FREEZER for crying out loud whats stopping them from making another liberty prime

[odd saddle]

That would confirm an ending

[modern beacon]

We dont rlly know what happened to those robots at the fort hill

[jagged trail]

i know it’s been said again and again but not choosing an ending an destroying every faction really made me feel like the showrunners didn’t understand new vegas. i always think of new vegas of the quote from destiny “a side must be always taken, even if it’s the wrong one”

[dense wharf]

yeah its a very cop out answer

though it makes sense from a TV perspective

[odd saddle]

It’s 15 years after so the courier definitely was involved probably with either house or yes man because the securitrons are upgraded

[modern beacon]

It was def just a fear of fan outlash but clearly they just proven like 2 of the endings prob happened

Like obviously the legion didnt march to vegas with the courier. And House wasnt the ending.

[queen swift]

Why did Lucy talk Chinese classes does she know they’ll be in a different location each season

[compact bramble]

destroying every faction
NCR is constantly overextended, Caesar was a dead man anyway and the Legion was bound to fracture, and House is fine
What faction did they destroy

[jagged wing]

quintus might have the schematics, but where will he get the resources to build liberty prime. What if he learns about big mt

[vernal basin]

i wonder what happend to jacobstown?

[jagged wing]

@vernal basin my guess is abandoned

[drowsy cosmos]

the brotherhood goes to the big Mt and finds a mentally unstable courier flirting with the light switches

[grizzled garden]

the kings

[compact bramble]

Who knows, maybe that’s where the mutant took Coop. We did see trees as he was dragging him.

[dense wharf]

house's securitons are gone so he's effectively out as a player
ncr is implied to have abandoned the area until recently
clearly this means the canon ending is LEGION SWEEP AVE TRUE TO CAESAR

[drowsy cosmos]

on everybody we all flirting with the ight switches

[modern beacon]

admittedly they were def a victim of just a writer’s idea

[charred sapphire]

they werent overextended in the boneyard, or between boneyard and new vegas which apparently had 0 NCR settlements on the way.

[compact bramble]

We never see the inside of the school of impersonation so there might be some left but yeah I personally think that was The King Lucy shot

[modern beacon]

theres no real reason why the kings were kicked out unless something happened between those 15 years

i assumed the ghoul kings were the ones outside of vegas killed by the deathclaws but radiated to become feral

[jagged wing]

@drowsy cosmos the only places where quintuz might get advanced tech could either be the divide or big mt

[modern beacon]

if u remember theres always King members outside guarding the entrance

[compact bramble]

I think maybe we just haven’t seen the Securitrons he has left.

[grizzled garden]

i find it unlikely that quintus is gonna build a liberty prime from scratch

[compact bramble]

I’ll be kinda pissed if I don’t see legion vs NCR vs Securitrons

[modern beacon]

ye but knowing how ambitious the showrunners have gotten with the deathclaw

[drowsy cosmos]

quintus ass is not going to the divide he aint that dumb

[charred sapphire]

they are going to say he found an unfinished prototype, but it's still going to be a retcon

[modern beacon]

Every post credit scene is a reveal for the next cgi practical thing

If s1 was the Gulper and Yao Guai. S2 was that deathclaw from the skull we saw in s1

[compact bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-we-can-rebuild-him-dont-want-to-spend-a-lot-of-money-we-have-the-technology-family-guy-six-hundred-dollar-ma-gif-27510161

[modern beacon]

And s3 is basically post credit for LP

[jagged wing]

@grizzled garden so you think they might find a prototype deep in the area 51

[compact bramble]

It’s gonna be a piece of crap 🤣

[grizzled garden]

no

[compact bramble]

Imagine if it blew up the first time it tried to use its laser

[drowsy cosmos]

aren't clerics scribes or are they two different things

[grizzled garden]

im not really sure how they're gonna explain it ngl

[modern beacon]

they gonna build that shit from absolute nothing cause bethesda needa make sure BOS exists everytime

[drowsy cosmos]

wdym you wrote the show dude

[grizzled garden]

you right

[jagged wing]

@modern beacon like I said quintus will need resources

[compact bramble]

If they still had Cold Fusion I’d be worried

[modern beacon]

tbh i think the cold fusion arc is done

[violet elm]

So I guess the Enclave isn't truely dead after all

[compact bramble]

Imagine if they made a dozen of ‘em

[modern beacon]

like im already tired with it. i rlly wanna move on about it

[grizzled garden]

quintus is gonna order a liberty prime building kit from amazon

[modern beacon]

Like please dont use cold fusion to power liberty prime. Just keep house alive.

[compact bramble]

Idk man does that mean House just gets it and anyone who blows up the Lucky 38 can destroy the world?

[jagged wing]

@modern beacon quintus will need lots of metal, a hyper processor, tesla coils, fusion power source

[compact bramble]

I hope the Enclave is coming to take that shit back

[queen swift]

Is anyone going to make a au about House and Cooper being actually very good “friends” (take the quotation marks as you will) or am I just extremely fixated of them

[violet elm]

I feel like factions will go to war over who can hold the most cold fusion

[drowsy cosmos]

just go raid a power plant for one of those rod things in fallout 4 and your set

[charred sapphire]

the writers dont care at all about resources lol, they already turned the prydwen into mass producable tech that every scuffed BoS chapter can operate and maintain

[modern beacon]

He doesnt need that cold fusion imo if canonically we understand LP can be manufactured without it

Also Quintus doesnt know Maximus is at the strip. Nor does he know Mr House is the one with the cold fusion

[compact bramble]

Also shouldn’t like every building in Vegas have lit up like a fucking candle as soon as he plugged that shit in? They missed an opportunity there

At least the Strip

[modern beacon]

and without cold fusion, House is basically gone ig according to his words

[grizzled garden]

was the diode connected to the strip?

[drowsy cosmos]

hey maxson our liberty prime wont work can we borrow yours pretty please

[jagged wing]

@modern beacon I didn't say cold fusion

[compact bramble]

I assume the Lucky 38 is

[violet elm]

ngl, the idea of cold fusion sounds awesome, almost unlimited power in the palm of our hands yet so dangerous, not because of what it can do, it's who it can threaten, very powerful people will be threatened

[compact bramble]

We could’ve at least seen a bit more of the Lucky 38 come alive

[modern beacon]

I mean the show will prob justify that Quintus uses all the air ship salvaged tech and whatever idk

[compact bramble]

Crash an airship into the Lucky 38

[modern beacon]

I mean theres like 4 of em. Idk how that even makes a 40 ft tall robot but sure ig

[violet elm]

you think most of the Enclave forces are in Alaska and maybe parts of Canada

[compact bramble]

I mean they are at Area 51

[modern beacon]

that too

[queen swift]

Okay I’m just extremely fixated on them

[jagged wing]

@violet elm salvaged airship parts that's a good way to get resources

[drowsy cosmos]

only thing that differentiates the primes is that one has a cowboy hat and the other one has an old wooden smoking pipe taped to its chin

[modern beacon]

I wouldnt be surprised if their liberty prime only has the laser eyes, idk where they get a supply of nukes

[compact bramble]

Oh there are definitely Enclave bases and vaults in Canada. We probably started working on them as soon as we annexed the place, if not before

I could see vault tec digging underneath the border

[grizzled garden]

We meaning all of us in the server

[drowsy cosmos]

theres a billion enclave bases cause they too valuable of villains to scrap

[compact bramble]

We meaning the Enclave

🇺🇸

[violet elm]

not entirely a bad idea

[grizzled garden]

is it ever confirmed which side nuked the other countries

[carmine quiver]

China - according to FO2 lore iirc

[modern beacon]

as of now still its china

[queen swift]

IM DONE FOR

[modern beacon]

It could change tho u never know

[jagged wing]

@grizzled garden in real life when one country launches the nukes it sends a signal to other nuclear countries as a defense response

[jagged trail]

i really don’t think caesar would die in vegas. after the events of the game, win or loose the battle of hoover damn, i think he would move on to the next war frontier. in my head, the most sense would be him leading a battle into inner NCR destroyed shady sands territory from AZ. i feel like the only reason we see him dead and the legion remnants centered around NV is because NV had the legion in it.

[grizzled garden]

surely there's a lot of land that doesn't really make sense to nuke

[modern beacon]

dude had like a brain tumor anyways he prob fainted and everyone made camp there fighting for his corpse

[carmine quiver]

yeah, the whole MAD (mutually assured destruction) hasn't been mentioned to exist within the Fallout universe, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[violet elm]

I feel like the Enclave has alot of contingencies, their bad opsec, I feel like they want the public to focus on the public side of the enclave, not the covert side, they want to build up the hype the moment they "destroyed" control station Enclave, or any other publicly known enclave cells, the people will calm down thinking evil has been vangquished

make them comfortable enough to not try to find the rest of the Enclave

[ivory fjord]

Metal gear solid ahh

[hasty oxide]

My main theory rn is that the NCR will be rescued by House's securitrons with Lucy and Max's help. And then for some reason or another, theyll want to head to Colorado, and have to salvage a vertibird from one of the downed BoS ships

[carmine quiver]

idk if they'd be given the budget for that 😭

[jagged trail]

i can see that, but i think the fact that even when you side with the NCR you don’t have a quest to kill caesar made it obsidians intention to make it very open for the future to his fate and the future of the legion to continue

[hasty oxide]

Another thing that feels a bit.. odd, that Vault-Tec is implied to be a front company for the Enclave by House

[violet elm]

with enough caps, maybe

[modern beacon]

no hes dead

hes like basically grantee dead if i remember

[robust tide]

that is absolutely not what happens

[fluid sigil]

They can just walk to Colorado like Cooper did

And reason for them to be in Colorado is because microchips were activated and the mainframe is at Enclave base. Lucy wants to destroy the Enclave

[hasty oxide]

i do like that Mcaulay culkin is now Caesar

[violet elm]

did the Tumor killed him or someone?

[carmine quiver]

bc it basically is i guess

[dawn iris]

I just finished watching Episode 8

damn that's A LOT of convenience happening everywhere

deus ex machina also

[charred sapphire]

house doesn't have securitrons, but then again the NCR isnt supposed to have presence in the mojave but they just do anyway, so that's still on the table even though it doesnt make sense he would still have securitrons left while legion is still a threat to the region

[modern beacon]

Like ceasar’s life literally revolves around the choice whether the courier saves him with the auto doc or not if i remember correctly

[fluid sigil]

How did he died then according to tv show

[modern beacon]

brain tumor

[hasty oxide]

And also, theyre gunna do a whole.. like distrust thing for season 3 it seems since Hank sent out Auto-men out in the wastes under Enclave control

[violet elm]

Rome Alone: Lost in the Mojave

[fluid sigil]

I meant why was his body on the ground like that then

[hasty oxide]

idk i just call the people "Auto-men" cus its easier right. Like the people with boxes

[modern beacon]

they prob tried to bury him but they all started fighting

[hasty oxide]

Like Lucy and Max cant trust everyday wastelanders anymore because they could be an Auto-men

[carmine quiver]

and then it turns out:

[modern beacon]

One thought he was a successor over the other

[hasty oxide]

under Hank's previous orders

[carmine quiver]

trolled by a dead man

[odd saddle]

Bro gave up

[hasty oxide]

I was laughing my ass off here, Never change Caesar

[modern beacon]

Ceasar probably understood even tho he has a line of successors, he cant lead perfectly as he left it

[odd saddle]

Bro knew the legion was cooked

[dawn iris]

so Hank worked for the Enclave and Enclave wanted automated wastelanders to do their bidding while hidden in the general population ?

[violet elm]

Culkin's delivery of being the new Caesar carries alot of weight ensuring that nobody finds out that the legion died with Sallow, if they do, the legion will devolve into a massive civil war which is why he doesn't sound powerful

[scenic steeple]

this episode was pure fire

[carmine quiver]

and so he ate the piece of paper like a goat

[odd saddle]

We don’t know what they wanted them to do

[scenic steeple]

thats where he probably got the nuke from to

salvaged enclave nuke

[violet elm]

he'll make sure the truth dies with him, ensuring the legion doesn't realise that they're infact rotting and the bull they're flying is nothing but a husk oif its former self

[modern beacon]

well the enclave pulled an institute basically and theres people with chips roaming around doing what hank said were “centuries” of planning

[odd saddle]

I feel like people with usurp him and have a new leader they simply wouldn’t let what they have dedicated their lives to go to waste

[carmine quiver]

well, apparently the Enclave (THAT IS SOMEHOW STILL ALIVE AND WELL AFTER BEING BOMBED AT LEAST TWICE AND HAD THEIR SHIT MILLY ROCKED A THOUSAND TIMES OVER) sees the entire wasteland as an experiment… for what? we don't know. but obviously they're dabbling their toes in multiple ponds.

[hasty oxide]

What do u guys think about the Auto-men running around the Mojave though? cus Hank sent a bunch of em out right? i think thatll have ALOT of ramifications

[carmine quiver]

what those chips were for? probably to create an army or some shit

[timid mural]

https://tenor.com/view/sonfys-gif-2540652325955471116

[last steppe]

I think it's a neat storytelling device

[violet elm]

maybe it's planned for China

[modern beacon]

prob infiltrating other factions and obliterating them like shady sands

[scenic steeple]

so sad its over

[charred sapphire]

there's no plan, he just wants people to stop fighting. his endgame is just turning people into useful idiots.

[vernal basin]

Why did Lacerta Legate take and wear Caesar's crown?

[carmine quiver]

the fuck they gonna do with China 😭

[fluid sigil]

ONE ENCLAVE

ONE AMERICA

NOW AND FOREVER

[scenic steeple]

chinese remnants clashing with enclave

[modern beacon]

its a symbol

[carmine quiver]

no talking about the Enclave.

[last steppe]

Because he discovered the Truth

[dawn iris]

well, like I said previously in other episodes spoiler chats - Enclave DID have 122 years to prepare its survival (1945 - 2077)

now, I'm surprised that Enclave accepts automated wastelanders for whatever purposes ; Enclave is clear about gunning down any wastelander whatsoever, with extremely rare exceptions

[last steppe]

That Eddie didn't choose a successor

[violet elm]

occupy, use those mind control device and create a little America within China

[carmine quiver]

this shit never ends

[fluid sigil]

Maybe the real Caesar was the friends we made along the way

[modern beacon]

control is perfectly fine. Frank Horrigan was a brainwashed dogmatic super mutant soldier

[charred sapphire]

their goal is to rule the wasteland as a dystopian state where the people are pacified

the same thing hank says basically.

[dawn iris]

"Ceasar didn't do anything wrong"

Lmao

[odd saddle]

Yea

[violet elm]

you think Frank Horrigan is a well known wasteland legend that even after his death, people still spoke of his name, like how the people of Night city spoke of Adam Smasher

[modern beacon]

also did nobody remember there was a random engineer who isnt even born into the enclave in fallout 3 at rivet city

[fossil flicker]

So the brotherhood is losing their heads cool

[vernal basin]

and eat the paper?

[dawn iris]

yeah but Frank originated from the Enclave itself, not the wasteland

[odd saddle]

So the enclave can live on

[carmine quiver]

okay, that is a very good point.

[last steppe]

To stop anyone else discovering that Eddie (Cesar) didn't pick a successor

[patent dagger]

Because the legion has no plan of succession

[odd saddle]

Edwardo

[last steppe]

Depends on how you see New Cesar may be more of a leader than Edward was

[odd saddle]

I mean so the legion can live on sorry I just woke up

[fluid sigil]

How could Caesar did anything wrong if the Wasteland doesn’t have juristic system to convicted him. Checkmate New California of TURD 🔥

[dense wharf]

caesar is dead, long live caesar

[modern beacon]

only example of enclave taking people in if it benefits specifically to a function like a random engineer

[dawn iris]

I like how it is confirmed that the Enclave is in the Rockies ;

Hopefully we will see Cheyenne Mountain Complex (Fallout version of it) and Francis E. Warren Air Force Base (Fallout version of it) in Season 3

[odd saddle]

Currently playing tactics again I hate it

[carmine quiver]

why can’t they just stay dead I hate them

[last steppe]

Stargate Fallout confirmed

[patent dagger]

And even thats autumn/edens enclave who were low on manpower

[dawn iris]

well Enclave did consider space colonisation pre-War

[novel sentinel]

I was disappointed and bored to say the least

[modern beacon]

i mean we dont rlly know the state of the enclave atm so it makes sense they needed chips on people to control imo

[fluid sigil]

Wholesome Enclave ❤️ saving US citizen from evildoers and have him serve his country as God intended

[odd saddle]

Dude they weren’t dead do you really think the US government would make only 3 bases post war?

[carmine quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/what-kevin-hart-what-kevin-hart-reaction-shocked-gif-3832740191813699179

[patent dagger]

No but we do know the state the east coast one arrived in

[last steppe]

I feel like I'm very easy to please, I really liked this season

[flint pond]

Yes same

[patent dagger]

Same

[modern beacon]

I kinda hope like cold fusion and the chip stuff kinda gets quickly wrapped up

[carmine quiver]

sssshhhhh… let me pretend they're incompetent

[dawn iris]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Multi-generational_starship

[novel sentinel]

I loved this season overall but I didn't care for the ending much. It just didn't have as much of a punch as the last season's ending

[modern beacon]

cold fusion should stick with House. Only because i like the idea of him being in present lore