EPISODE 8

[carmine path]

Airship gets destoryed becides in bos and mm

[zealous gazelle]

so either could be canon?

[smoky hill]

yea its either minutemen or BOS that is canon

[carmine path]

^^^

[zealous gazelle]

also im assuming since new vegas is showing up in the second season, Mr house ending is likely canon?

not to say the others CANT be canon, but it'd be upsetting not to see mr house

[carmine path]

It looks like a war broke out in the stirp

So proabbly a house ending

[zealous gazelle]

also we have the certain answer that vault tec started the war now right? ik it seemed obvious (and I prolly missed sum that confirmed it in older games) but nowe the show basically just says it outright, yeah?

[smoky hill]

the show tells us that they were ready to but the games still tell us that it was china that fired first

unless vault tec controls china now as well

F4 has a few such hints 1 is the chinese submarine in the boston harbor

[zealous gazelle]

Right its just the whole like "lets wipe the slate clean" stuff.

also Im so desperate to see the post events of NV oml. I am so antsy for a new season.

[rare acorn]

Wonder how many cameos there is like that

[warm ermine]

Time to start a list

[rare acorn]

Probably a whole slew of people that are friends of like the producers and maybe even Bethesda people's as like background characters

Wonder if there's a Todd cameo we have missed

[warm ermine]

I’m kinda disappointed Todd isn’t playing an obvious wastelander or something

[rare acorn]

Ya like a Peter Jackson style cameo

[blissful notch]

"Ok but how do you make the robots work?"
"It just works "
(kill me this is the worst shit I've ever typed out)

[warm ermine]

[small linden]

Todd Howard

[warm ermine]

If we don't find out that Todd was some random thing with a disguise on I'm gonna be sad

[small linden]

Everyone asks:
Todd Howard?

But we need to know:
Has Todd Showered?

[rare acorn]

Got her gun

Got one that's supposed to be like the ghouls revolver but it's not 1 to 1

[lofty hare]

Anyone wanna hope we get some type of ending from the game aftermath?

[meager swallow]

That one vault in the middle of Pennsylvania looks like it could be anywhere State College to like Bloomsburg

I like to think it's a vault in Blue Hill. Just picture a vault in the side of this cliff

[cobalt parcel]

awesome

[umbral rapids]

Ngl the old residents of fallout 4 were dickheads

[rare acorn]

Lol the Todd Howard Napoleon Bonaparte painting is in the show @warm ermine

[warm ermine]

did someone get a good zoom

[rare acorn]

Watching MR Matty vid

That must be the V32 overseers office

When Norman n the cousin stuff guy is exploring

[warm ermine]

amazing

[gray mason]

NORM!

[warm ermine]

poor bud

[gray mason]

Bud on a roomba

[warm ermine]

love dumb bud brain

[rare acorn]

Damn he been awake the whole time?

[warm ermine]

he deserves the torture

hmm he really thought it was necessary though. I'm so curious to see the days leading up to that bomb

hmm I did not listen to a lot of this ending dialogue the first time lol

guess the same goes for everyone whos like "but dude did it because he was a jealous loser"

[rare acorn]

Bye bye ncr

[bright badge]

Replace all the roles with vault tec

[warm ermine]

everyone vault tec

a perfect world

nothing specifically spelling it out, but that ghoul they run into asks him for some vials and he says hes all out

[bright badge]

It's an unspecified chem able to stop feralisation

The other drugs presumably just help that

It's shown

Other ghoul asks for it
Cooper starts coughing and freaking out when he's needing it

He nods when Lucy asks if it stops it

Other ghoul asks for it

[warm ermine]

he kind of wiggles his head a bit but it does look like its meant to be a nod

[bright badge]

Explains why theres not more ghouls

Series adds a lot of contextual lore

He has no reason to lie though

You could say it's psychosomatic but he's not lying

They stop feralisation though to be clear

Solid proof was listed earlier

Previous three listed examples

[solar turret]

Kinda weird that vault tech launched the nukes. There were some vaults that either weren’t finished or were unintentionally flawed

[smoky hill]

i dont think they actually did it
i think china did launch first

they were going to do it but they werent ready for the end of the world yet so why drop the bombs before you are ready

[bright badge]

Don't think it ultimately matters tbh

[analog mist]

I think they were 100% willing and ready too, but the war beat them too it

[carmine path]

China dropped them but vault tec were ready to drop them

[cobalt parcel]

yeah they absolutely didn’t launch them

or at least the one that they had, they didn’t launch. there’s pretty much no other way Hank gets his hands on one the scale of which could put that sort of crater into shady sands

[carmine path]

I like how they referenced a few vaults in the prewar pRt

[warm ermine]

https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-official-timeline-confirmed-how-the-show-fits-in-with-the-games

[hasty isle]

The bomb definitely dropped in 2277

[warm ermine]

You calling Todd a liar?

[cobalt parcel]

A lot of people are taking “the fall of shady sands” way too literally

a city can fall without it being nuked

I’m also pretty sure Hank couldn’t have gotten immediate authorization to use one of vault tec’s nukes, especially if that was the nuke

[carmine path]

Shady sands fell and become a shit hoke and then it got nuked

[cobalt parcel]

exactly

and Maximus was so young when the bomb dropped who’s to say he wasn’t just some hideaway family or child of some raiders that moved in, between the two events

And Hank talks about factions, plural. No doubt he wanted the NCR to get out of sandy and let another faction move in and then nuke them. Two birds with one destroyed city.

[tiny bronze]

I think it goes like this:

1. Shady Sands is still one of the advanced cities
2. 2277 First Battle of Hoover Dam, Shady Sands isn't doing too well after Kimball's expansionism.
3. Mired with corruption and an unfavorable war, Shady Sands keeps worsening.
4. New Vegas happens
5. Hank finds Rose, acquires a nuke, and destroys the city.

[cobalt parcel]

I think another obvious thing on the chalkboard that people are ignoring is there’s an arrow pointing to the nuke, with no date. This means they don’t know exactly when the bomb dropped. Otherwise they would’ve dated it like every other point on the board. This ALSO means it did NOT happen when they say Shady Sands “fell.”

Since that is dated

[carmine path]

Looks like a war broke out in the stirp in the end slide

[cobalt parcel]

I guess this all means the descendants of Vault 15 just ended up back in a vault, vault 4🤣

[carmine path]

Some major event happened after nv

[steep zealot]

I'm enraged.
MF how dare he nuke the starting town of the very first game.

[cobalt parcel]

Shady gets nuked and people are like yeah fuck living in a city I’m gone

[warm ermine]

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-big-fallout-interview-todd-howard-and-jonathan-nolan-answer-our-burning-questions-about-season-1

[carmine path]

Thank you for choosing vault tec

[cobalt parcel]

exactly

[carmine path]

The Romain empire fell but I don't think it got nuked

[cobalt parcel]

why people can’t figure this out for themselves idk

cause it seemed intuitive to me

[bright badge]

People wanted to be angry

[cobalt parcel]

I think a lot of it is some big fallout youtubers wanting clicks by being like LOOK GUYS THEY MADE A HUGE PLOTHOLE AND THEYRE RETCONNING EVERYTHING RAAAAAH and make a half hour video about a single chalkboard

[bright badge]

Cause they're grifters tbf

[cobalt parcel]

and then people just copy and paste what they heard in the video

[bright badge]

Because they don't think

[cobalt parcel]

The Institute Replaced My Brain

[steep zealot]

Vault 31 still functionnal getting me worried on East Coast.

[cobalt parcel]

I just want Fallout 5

anyone else thinking about how they literally could not have put vaults in pretty much anywhere in Florida

[carmine path]

Vault 31 was meant to survive

[cobalt parcel]

I think he knows that, he’s saying what other vaults with similar mission/vendetta could still be functional elsewhere

[steep zealot]

Nah, I mean everyone in Vault 31 potentially have a mean to wipe out the city like Hank does.

[cobalt parcel]

hmmm

[carmine path]

Chould have vault 111 not getting a all clear message be another one of vault tecs experiments since there still alive

[cobalt parcel]

doubt vault tec could secretly have that many nukes

[cobalt parcel]

I think the experiment there was purely the cryo chambers. Vault 111 was never meant to last more than a few months after the war, just to ensure no immediate issues took out the vault, but none of the staff would go along with knowing they’d die that soon. That’s my thought.

There doesn’t necessarily need to be an experiment for Vault Tec to leave people stranded in a vault

saves money, and profits!

[carmine path]

Vault 111 was waiting for a all clear sign from Vault tec to let everyone out but that message never came

[cobalt parcel]

right. that doesn’t mean vault tec ever intended to send one.

and, the all clear message was not to let everyone out. that’s explicitly explained in the overseer’s terminal

it was for further instruction

[carmine path]

I hope vault 77 is cannon they just spent millions of dollars to make a vault just to put one dude with a box of puppets

[bright badge]

His suits in 3 so it is

he's verbally referenced in a little holotape too

[cobalt parcel]

I wanna see Vault 68 and 69 lol

[bright badge]

All dead. First 24s in both

[cobalt parcel]

google can’t stop me

[hasty isle]

Look at this

It 100% got bombed in 2277

[warm ermine]

The conspiracy theory can stop now, Todd confirmed it didn't

[carmine path]

[lofty hare]

I think we're taking it too far, clearing this is hank pym right? He shrank the city and we just need to find it ;)

[violet raptor]

I think Matpat used to get a bad rap, I've seen so many theorists present a hypothetical as a fact

This week

[carmine path]

"Best boobs in gaming"

[little condor]

Eh, one NCR city going boom that wasn't even their capital doesn't strike me as liable to risk 'invalidating' any endings. Not like NV itself fell victim to Hank's temper tantrum.

And heck, unless Hank nuked every NCR city from Klamath to Dayglow along with Shady Sands (which Moldaver should've mentioned instead of saying he just blew up Shady if the intent was multiple nukings), the nation itself should honestly be fine, just licking their wounds and in recovery.

[carmine path]

Picture the highwayman in sessaon 2

[shrewd rune]

I’ve always been it’s a clearly both supporter

[cobalt parcel]

just enacting vault tec policy in an enraged state

[warm ermine]

Still gets the job done

[shrewd rune]

I mean they still are

[warm ermine]

All video game decisions are meaningless

[small linden]

Yeah, I looked at that map in the episode and thought to myself “that’s a big, non-detailed map, so those are rough estimations of where the vaults are”

[shrewd rune]

Life is meaningless, smh

[small linden]

Some states having only 1 or 2 vaults is so fucked

Thas a lotta ded people

[shrewd rune]

So given what Todd said that puts the bombing at around 2282

[small linden]

That’s a different Hank 😳

[small linden]

Btw, I know it’s “not canon” anymore- but I think that that Vault 111 is the best evidence to back up the original lore of vaults being designed to test for interstellar travel

I mean, c’mon. Cryo-pods? That’s literally in Alien.

Alas, it doesn’t matter now, considering that Bugthesda threw out the lore of the first two games.

Vault 4 seems like it could back up the original lore with vaults and interstellar travel as well.

[ember crag]

So assuming the ncr is still out there if their HQ is just one building with a hand full of people , how badly are other major cities doing?

[cobalt parcel]

it’s not an accurate map

[small linden]

Tbh I like the idea that Vault-Tec started the war.

That’s an idea that’s been floating around for a long while.

Starting the war themselves would guarantee they could perform experimentation. People would be forced to enter the vaults.

That also plays into how evil Vault-Tec is, cuz we’ve known that since the first game.

It also seem like Cooper’s wife was looking up at the ceiling to see some Enclave members during that meeting.

[lofty hare]

I used a wink 😭

[small linden]

Mods, crush his skull.

[cobalt parcel]

Mods, eliminate his bloodline

[cobalt parcel]

I really really do not think the evidence points to them doing it at all

but them being willing to is what I think the show is going for

[small linden]

Yeah but- it was literally stated. In the show.

[cobalt parcel]

no it was not.

[small linden]

Nuh uh

Cooper’s wife looked damn near directly at the viewer and said

“We’ll drop the bombs ourselves.”

[cobalt parcel]

She says vault tec could guarantee results by dropping the bomb themselves. Not that they did, not that they will.

[small linden]

That to me is a big glowing sign with arrows pointing at it saying VAULT TEC DROPPED THE FUCKIN BOMBS LMAO

[carmine path]

China beat vault tec to it

[cobalt parcel]

Yeah, if you look at it with elementary level comprehension

it was to show how evil vault tec really is. there was zero indication they actually dropped the first bomb

[small linden]

Insult, blocked.

[cobalt parcel]

they would drop bombs on themselves without all their staff in place, which was the case at many vaults

[carmine path]

China dropped first and vault tec more meant bombing there own nation

[cobalt parcel]

oh no… how am I gonna sleep at night

[small linden]

Vault-Tec definitely did it. Ion care what anyone says lmao

[cobalt parcel]

the type of person nobody likes^

[ember crag]

And then danced off screen

[cobalt parcel]

And then went home and made mashed potatoes

[ember crag]

Yeah I agree its not confirmed if vault tec dropped anything

[small linden]

Nah

They did it. I can feel it.

[cobalt parcel]

It’s completely illogical for them to have dropped the bombs based on when the bombs fell.

[ember crag]

Cooper's daughter not being with her mom wouldn't make sense if they planned on dropping the bombs

[small linden]

Not saying nobody else dropped any bombs. Yes, other nations and people did.

[cobalt parcel]

and like, where the fuck would they be launching ICBM’s from that the US military doesn’t detect it

[small linden]

It’s just that I think the very first bomb was dropped by Vault-Tec.

[cobalt parcel]

This faith person has to be trolling

[ember crag]

Let me drop a bomb on my daughter

That makes no sense

[small linden]

I seem to remember the mom LITERALLY SAYING THEY SHOULD DROP THE BOMBS tho

[cobalt parcel]

Let’s drop nukes when half our vaults aren’t even fully prepared yet

[small linden]

🤔

[ember crag]

I'm saying if she wanted to drop the bombs she would be sure they were safe first

[carmine path]

Seeing as how they blew up shady sands it looks like vault tec was gonna nuke amceria to make money

[ember crag]

I'm not denying she's willing to drop the bomb

[cobalt parcel]

She was asked how COULD you guarantee results. It was a hypothetical for jesus fucking christs sake. How are people this dense.

[small linden]

Mayhaps

[carmine path]

China beat vault tec to there plans

[cobalt parcel]

I don’t think anyone is saying vault tec didn’t have a nuclear bomb

[small linden]

“Wow, you just found that out?”

[carmine path]

Wow I'm theory crafting

[cobalt parcel]

but in actuality did they drop any bombs pre-world end let alone the first one? I think that’s a very obvious no.

[ember crag]

She's giga brain

[carmine path]

Vault tec Cleary had some sort of bombing plan but China went in and nuked amceria before they finished there plan and vaults

[small linden]

Well whaddya know?

I concur. They wanted money.

[cobalt parcel]

Like IRL Russia has said they are willing to use nukes for XYZ reason. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEYVE ALREADY LAUNCHED NUKES.

[small linden]

It’s almost like this was stated directly on screen.

[cobalt parcel]

I stg faith is either the biggest troll or has the smallest brain ever

[carmine path]

Vault tec chould be working for enclave since the enclave knows so much about the vaults and the pepole inside

[small linden]

They failed to account for how popular Coke caps would be 👽

Pre war cheddar ain’t worth much

[cobalt parcel]

they… are… do you not know the whole lore?

[small linden]

This was the original canon story for the first 2 games. It’s sorta murky now since Bethesda took over during Fallout 3.

[cobalt parcel]

the enclave is to take all data gathered from vaults and use it and the survivors to escape earth for a new planet

[small linden]

I’ve heard more than a few people say the interstellar travel things isn’t technically canon anymore.

[carmine path]

Everyone isent gonna know Every piece of lore

[cobalt parcel]

I haven’t even played some of the games and knew it I just thought that was a bit towards common knowledge

enclave = deep state usa gov, working with vault tec to ensure survival of america and only america

escape to a new planet with the perfect humans

[ember crag]

Then griddy off screen holding money bags

[small linden]

The space ship thing didn’t work out though

So all the experiments were pointless

A bunch of people were tortured to death. That’s all folks!

[ember crag]

Aliens will save us

[small linden]

They haven’t done a great job

They’ve crashed their ships at least twice, got killed by a protagonist, and had their laser blasters taken.

E.T. will not be phoning home.

Is it known how much progress was made on the construction of the Enclave/Vault-Tec colony ship?

[ember crag]

😢

[small linden]

Or is it just a sort of:

“Eh, they never finished it and got blown up by the nukes too soon to do so”

Thing

Damnb

[cobalt parcel]

FO4 has the one facility with the rocket booster, that was very specifically named to be for a mission to mars by the US government

but I also don’t think the enclave building a rocket post-nukes is impossible

[meager basin]

Appears Todd has confirmed NCR was nuked like right after New Vegas

[coral mortar]

Yup

[warm ermine]

yep see pins

[livid bramble]

Why didn’t the Ghoul just one shot Maximus in the episode 2 gun fight?

[cobalt parcel]

He’s an extremely smart dude. I think he could tell he wasn’t familiar with the armor and showed the slightest bit of restraint.

No reason to just execute a lone dumbass in power armor and let someone more intelligent get behind the wheel of it

[carmine path]

He proabbly can tell by his movement he's not trained

[cobalt parcel]

staring at 3 knights and a bunch of scribes though, yeah time to whip out the old tricks

[carmine path]

he saw max got stuck "oh you haven't been trained"

[warm ermine]

He seems to only purposefully kill people who are a clear threat

[cobalt parcel]

I think it was also a bit of a comedic fight for him, and he knew the scientist wasn’t exactly running away

he almost immediately mentions upon killing his grave diggers that he does it for the fun of the game

easier to track a hog than to make it tell you where it’s going as he says at the end of the series

[little condor]

Even when Hank's got a decent lead ahead of him and Lucy, presumably moreso than the lead her and Wilzig had on him?

[carmine path]

Where else do you think hank is gonna hide proabbly vault 31

[cobalt parcel]

I would assume after over 200 years Cooper knows a thing or two about New Vegas

He has over 200 years of wasteland knowledge and is clearly extremely capable. I don’t think “does his wife’s laundry” guy is outmatching him.

[little condor]

Like to not take the north route to Vegas, but the southern/eastern route; northern's presumably still a shitshow even if the Courier cleared out Quarry Junction.

[carmine path]

Think sessaon 2 will announce the ending of nv

[lilac osprey]

Hank could go to the big mt for all the super advance tech or the divide to get some boom booms and finish the job with LA once and for all

[carmine path]

Hank goes to the lonesome road and reactives the nukes

[little condor]

Big MT? That'd be a suicide mission, ain't no way is some VT gopher gonna bust in without getting dogpiled by spore zombies, cyberdogs, lobotomites, corrupted Securitrons, and one rather PO'd delivery person.

[cobalt parcel]

Hank is actually Paladin Danse

[lilac osprey]

Hank doesnt know that he just knows its a place where genius scientists made cool shit he has no idea about whats going on inside the inhabitants of the mojave barely had any idea of whats going on inside the big mt

The most likely scenario is him just going to vegas

[cobalt parcel]

time to link up with mr robot man

[little condor]

Also a no-go; House would be very cross with Hank if the former's still kicking, considering how that gopher mangled House's entire game plan. Can't exactly achieve even the 25-year plan if your tourist/gambling/water/electricity income source took a nuke to the face.

Would be rather anticlimatic if Lucy and Cooper would just find Hank's charred remains outside the Strip North Gate.

[lilac osprey]

The nuke hitting house presumablly wasnt a vault tec nuke most likely a china nuke

[cobalt parcel]

New Vegas didn’t get nuked the fuck

[lilac osprey]

Do you guys think vault tec nuked both the us and china or they just nuked the us which lead the the us nuke china because they presumed it was china who nuked em

[lilac osprey]

Uhh it did

[cobalt parcel]

after Sandy Shores?

[lilac osprey]

Not the main strip

[cobalt parcel]

please tell me where that’s stated

[lilac osprey]

But everything surrounding it

House shot down all but 1 nuke

[little condor]

If NV got nuked, Hank would've saw a dang crater, not a city that at worst looks on par with the Boston ruins in Fallout 4.

[cobalt parcel]

okay and how’s hank responsible for pre-war nukes

[cobalt parcel]

exactly

[lilac osprey]

Yeah house saved vegas from being a crater

[cobalt parcel]

Idk where NV as seen in the ending of episode 8 is NV having been nuked came from but that’s just not true

[lilac osprey]

But not the surrounded area

[cobalt parcel]

there’s zero shot hank launched a nuke at NV when he nuked sandy

that makes zero sense

[little condor]

But still, House kinda needed the NCR to achieve his overall goals through an influx of tourist, gambling, water, and electricity income; NCR takes a nuke to the face, suddenly all of that dries up faster than a Ghoul in Death Valley, especially if Shady got nuked at most a year or two post-NV.

[lilac osprey]

Theres 0 chance hank shot any nuke pre war

He was junior management

[cobalt parcel]

How would House have any indication Hank shot a nuke period?

As far as anyone was concerned other than people with absolutely direct knowledge, sandy just got nuked and that was it

[little condor]

Plus, Hank's little temper tantrum seemed centered at Shady Sands anyway considering they were siphoning 33's water.

[lilac osprey]

The temper tantrum was less about the water more about the yk his wife leaving him for the city

[cobalt parcel]

I disagree with that

It was MOST about the fact that he’s a vault tec loyal and their entire mission was wipe the surface clean with zero factions and then emerge

his wife betraying him and the slight loss of water would be minor points to that

[lilac osprey]

His wife betraying him was a major motivator though the water thing seemed like a offhand mention

[cobalt parcel]

it could not possibly be >50% of the reason

he nuked an entire civilization. the motive goes way beyond his wife

he was acting in pure vault tec mode at that point

[lilac osprey]

This thing seems subjective we cant have a conclusive answer on this other then by show confirmation

[little condor]

Dude also just nuked one city that wasn't even the NCR capital by then; what exactly was his plan if the NCR didn't poop the bed? Hide in 33 and hope to dear God the Rangers didn't find that Tri-Vault?

[rare acorn]

At least a crashed one

[cobalt parcel]

He wouldn’t have extensive knowledge of that, he just discovered a non-vault tec civilization on the surface and put an end to it

[lilac osprey]

Hank viewed a declining ncr i dont think he'd have any reason to assume that theres more to the ncr then this one city

Wait does vault 33 31 and 32 have a geck?

[cobalt parcel]

based on his aging he’s maybe only been unfrozen for 20 years and given it got nuked when Lucy was a child there’s VERY limited time for him to have done anything other than stumbling upon his wife doing that with his young child and then nuking the place and going back underground

Like Hank was clueless as to the fall of Vault 32. Which had been down and out for 2+ years… I don’t think it’s a safe assumption to assume he knows anything beyond what is presented to us

He also doesn’t seem that smart. He let a bunch of mangy looking weirdos and a completely brand new “overseer” that he 100% should’ve recognized as not a vault tec employee into his vault.

[cobalt parcel]

thanks

[lilac osprey]

What confuses me is the show doesnt address the vault tecs real plan for the vaults which was using them as testing grounds for the enclave when they go to space

Has that been retconned?

It was kinda weird

[cobalt parcel]

it doesn’t really need to address the full plan for the vaults

if it just doesn’t mention one then we go with what is already known

[lilac osprey]

I mean in the secret meeting of the major ceos id atleast expect them to mention kt

[warm ermine]

That meeting was to get their support, not tell them all the secret plans

[lilac osprey]

I see

[cobalt parcel]

the goal of the vaults is to establish vault tec as the sole company left on the continent and make boogoo bucks all by themselves, the ultimate monopoly

there mystery solved

[warm ermine]

They werent getting where they wanted, so the guy up top (presumably enclave) sent something to her on the pip boy, she looked up at him, then did the bomb speech

[cobalt parcel]

I’m pretty sure it’s logical to assume the big bad company dead set on making money’s plan with the vaults is to make money with the vaults

[lilac osprey]

So the vault tec enclave space plan for the vaults isnt canon now?

[cobalt parcel]

why wouldn’t it be

be the only company to establish a new civilization doesn’t scream money maker to you?

[lilac osprey]

Oh wait i get it

[cobalt parcel]

honestly I think it’s very simple

survive longer than every other company, make shit loads of money. Bud says it himself

[lilac osprey]

The government (enclave) goes to space vault tecs the only major player on the continent left

[cobalt parcel]

yep

only company to sell data and people to the government

people who happen to be perfected and flawless

the perfect product

[little condor]

So, some weirdo form of corporate neo-feudalism?

[lilac osprey]

After seeing sinclaire in the show i understand why vera didnt love him

[cobalt parcel]

no just, it is what it is. one company to rule them all, and control the future

Vault Tec - “Prepare for the Future!”
😉👍🏼

[cobalt parcel]

honestly we are all kinda dumb for not knowing that this just screams “we are willing to drop the bomb” before this show came out

[carmine path]

When in dought vote someone from vault 31

[cobalt parcel]

Steph freaks me out

[lilac osprey]

I mean it was a major theory slot of people believed in

[cobalt parcel]

she was definitely the bat shit crazy secretary banging bud askins

[warm ermine]

you dont like her evil face?

[cobalt parcel]

she’s beautiful

[lilac osprey]

I just wanna see a fallout 2 intro style annhilation of a vault in live action

[cobalt parcel]

her character as a whole, is scary

[carmine path]

"Vault tec "prepared for the future"

[cobalt parcel]

she took Chet and pretended he was her dead husband and then pushed a baby out

she has some shit on her mind

[carmine path]

I mean I dought she planned that

[lilac osprey]

Highly supervised junior

[cobalt parcel]

I don’t wanna know what she has planned

[lilac osprey]

I assume most of the vault 31 people in 32 and 33 were constantly supervised by brain on a roomba

[cobalt parcel]

it’s prepare. not prepared.

[lilac osprey]

Another thing

[cobalt parcel]

oh we also don’t know how long they stay in vault 31 in frozen to debrief

[lilac osprey]

Repconn is owned by robco whyd they have a seperate seat at the table

[cobalt parcel]

separate entity

[lilac osprey]

Thats like disney and marvel having seperate seats at the table

[cobalt parcel]

that’s pretty basic corporatism

[cobalt parcel]

eh

[lilac osprey]

Pretty much

[cobalt parcel]

Vault tec had two reps. Maybe they are just a significantly different division that they would have their own interests

especially as far as vault experiments

[lilac osprey]

Maybe

Just kinda itched me the wrong way

[cobalt parcel]

I really don’t think it’s anything major

Imagine a corporate meeting with the head of disney and then the head of star wars or marvel tagging along. it’s really not that unthinkable at all

[lilac osprey]

Yeah understandable the repconn lady didnt really speak much

[cobalt parcel]

maybe she just gave the best head

who knows

[carmine path]

Maybe she's a figure head to make it look like reppconn isent owned by robco

[cobalt parcel]

kathleen kennedy type beat

[lilac osprey]

I mean the gutsy robot in the repconn place just says it outloud to anyone who asks in nv

[cobalt parcel]

200 years later, to be fair

might be a mute point by then

[carmine path]

Yeah but you can allso say ice cream and it just let's you walk by

[lilac osprey]

Yeah but i dont think the robot wad post war or had a timer for 200 years after which it could say it

[cobalt parcel]

we all scream for ice cream

[cobalt parcel]

you know what I don’t get

Vault 33’s children just all disappearing

[vale harbor]

underrated character

[cobalt parcel]

how is she underrated

I haven’t seen a single negative opinion on her

[small linden]

Episode 8

[carmine path]

Bob got it rough he dident even get to be a robobrain they just glued a brain jar onto a roomba

[little condor]

Can't think of a better fate for Bud.

[warm ermine]

Super annoying executive turned into brain fishbowl

[cobalt parcel]

I like how he even has a docking station

[warm ermine]

after 200 years you might need a little bit of a battery charge

[cobalt parcel]

what about episode 8?

[cobalt parcel]

idek the logic behind that little thing. I would’ve assumed there’s a fusion core up his roomba ass

and also, how the fuck did he get his brain in there. there’s no way it was after the bombs fell.

[warm ermine]

I was thinking about that earlier, did they like do this in prep for him to be the guide awhile ago or was it done rush when they all got in the vault and he was pushed into it

The few names we see close up of on the pods say they got in on oct 23

[cobalt parcel]

I mean I’m sure they had procedures for getting vault 31 full ASAP and getting people into 32 and 33 but the timing on him becoming a brain is tricky

unless there was some staff in 31… that are no longer required

[warm ermine]

All very interesting things I'd love to find out more on what happened

If we don't get the time directly leading up to the bombs in season 2 we riot

[little condor]

Yeah, I'd be down for more pre-War content too. Maybe something showing Cooper's time in the army?

[warm ermine]

give me an entire season or 2 of prewar

[cobalt parcel]

I would love for him to refer to something and it show a flashback

[carmine path]

The Cooper arc

[warm ermine]

his entire character is so interesting I want more of it

[cobalt parcel]

yep

Niolo is typing a fucking essay

[little condor]

Or heck, a flashback set during Fallout 1; Coop's got to have gotten up to some interesting shenanigans back then, after all.

[cobalt parcel]

you just typed for like 5 minutes to send that?🤣

[rare acorn]

Cooper in the masters army

[rare acorn]

So Todd confirmed the nuke in shady sands was post NV, but the show still has a line by Lucy that says something like "we know hardships too! In the great plague of 77 many people died including my mother and my dad was down to 128lbs"

Unless 77 is the year she left the vault with Lucy and Norman and then somehow it took Hank 5-6 years to find her and then nuke SS but even still how tf does Lucy not remember anything about being in shady sands, I can remember shit from when I was like 4-5

[warm ermine]

no

she said "many people starved including my mother" not died

[rare acorn]

She says she lost her mom

[warm ermine]

theres no mention of losing people in the scene

[rare acorn]

Idk what to tell you if the line "people starved, my mother included" doesn't scream they died

It's most likely that is exactly what they meant, and the timeline was accidentally screwed up seeing how shady sands is also in the complete wrong place

[warm ermine]

It's not definitive, and even if she did die or disappear then its totally plausible he wasnt able to get someone to drop bombs until later

[rare acorn]

Maybe

But she's a ghoul

So she would have had to be in range of the nuclear explosion to be ghoulified like that

I think it's funny people think Thaddeus is a ghoul cuz his foot grew back, but when have we ever seen a ghoul be able to grow back body parts , seems more like he's a super mutant/ other type of mutant

That dude peddling medicine probably has some sort of messed up past if he's able to get drugs like that

Maybe ex enclave or something

[cobalt parcel]

I've already said I think it took a while for him to bomb shady sands

I think he would've needed a while to covertly coversate with Bud and Bud probably had to get some sort of approval even higher than him to launch a vault tec nuke 200 years after the war

[rare acorn]

You think bud helped? Maybe, never even considered it tbh

[warm ermine]

Assuming anyone in 31 never actually left the vault, bud probably does everything for them

[rare acorn]

If any vault would have nukes it's probably a management vault like 31

Tho it's probably gonna be like 76 or something where vault tec has control of US silos

[lavish root]

I actually have to disagree here. They've already discussed how no game endings will be confirmed as canonical by Todd Howard himself, so while they may mention the first and second battle of Hoover Dam, they will likely not mention a winner or a loser. Hell, we could possibly see House or Yes Man be the "winner" due to the NCR seemingly falling, and it being highly likely that Caesar's Legion met a similar fate, either by the NCR, Joshua Graham, his own men, or another factor all together

Although damn I am super excited to see New Vegas. Kinda sad that it looks abandoned. Hope that's not the case

[summer burrow]

why did moldaver send in raiders to get lucys dad? they seem to have a somewhat organized millitary so why did they go there and murder everyone?

like the guy lucy was meant to marry and the majority of people invading were insane, and moldaver even set off a bomb, did she just see the entire vault as corrupt and not worth mercy or what?

[small linden]

she need people to guard the observatory, so she hired raiders

[summer burrow]

makes sense sort of, so is moldavers entire group remnants of shady sands

[small linden]

yeah she wouldnt want the remnant to die off in the vault raid

[summer burrow]

yeah that makes sense, i really hope theres a season 2, theres so many good set ups, i cant wait for the inevitable scene where they enter new vegas, im also kind of hoping to see some east coast action with maybe the minutemen in the future and a middle aged preston garvey

with the east coast BoS being more in tuned with civilians and actually caring about helping people as opposed to the potentially new chapter being formed from the show

[night vault]

I thought that maybe this was just referring to the first season, and that it could still be possible for future seasons to canonize endings

Honestly I wish they would, just get it over with lol

People are gonna be mad no matter what ending is decided

[lavish root]

I think the only one people would actually be upset with would be Caesar since it wouldn't make sense unless they also mention the courier supporting the Legion

[night vault]

That would be wild if it was canonized, can’t say I want that to be the case but it would be intriguing for plot purposes

But I feel like if they made NCR win a lot of people would be pissed too

[rapid flame]

Based on the fact the NCR is gone and there's no sign of Caesar's Legion, it's safe to assume that the House ending is now canon

[night vault]

Majority seem to prefer the House ending, but there are diehards in both NCR and Legion that would probably be mad

[night vault]

We don’t know that they’re 100% extinct, just Shady Sands

[rapid flame]

There clearly aren't any traces of the NCR in or around New Vegas, though

Overall, the most likely candidates for canon endings right now are the House ending and the Yes Man ending

[night vault]

Ah, I mean even then we don’t know for sure, all we got is that end cinematic

[rapid flame]

True

[night vault]

Could be absent from the Strip itself but maybe not the surrounding areas

[rapid flame]

I'm just hoping House won rn

[night vault]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind the House ending, I just hope the whole NCR isn’t toast

[fading tartan]

Please don't ping, it was a week ago 😭

[smoky hill]

In the ending slides we see a ncr vertibird on the strip so they may not be fully gone from vegas

[fading tartan]

Bit of a funny fact that i'm not sure anyone noticed but based on the fact Fiends are still around after a decade, that means canon Courier didn't do the bounties to kill all the Fiends leaders like Motor Runners, Cook Cook, Driver Nephi and Violet lmao

He didnt get sidetracked by bullshit

[hasty isle]

https://youtu.be/9tfqSvEIS2I?si=PRqcKpEdWXRKjjS-

[carmine path]

When Todd has to go out and tell the timeline because pepole can't read one

[hexed cosmos]

I mean not neccesarily they could just be wild and unified after their leaders were killed. Maybe thats why they're so different now

[fading tartan]

Shhhh it's funnier if the Courier just didn't bother

[little condor]

Besides, didn't the New Khans in Fallout 2 get started by a survivor of the Vault Dweller's little cleanup operation? Maybe the Courier similarly missed a spot when they did the same with the Fiends.

[shrewd rune]

I mean who's to say they are the same fiends, they didn't eat people in New Vegas

[little condor]

True, just pointing out a potential avenue of them surviving, nothing more.

[bright badge]

Cook cook?

He prepared humans when he found them

This has the line where he references eating people

[shrewd rune]

Is the exception noted to be messed up even by Fiend standards. The New Vegas Fiends are known by everyone for being Drug addicts not Cannibals

[bright badge]

He's their camp cook tbf

[shrewd rune]

Yeah but he listed a bunch of other animals in there too, humans aren’t his main choice

[bright badge]

They're probably opportunistic cannibals like cooper imo

[shrewd rune]

And he’s most notorious for being a Rapist.

[shrewd rune]

Probably

[glass hill]

What exactly was the point of the bomb in episode 1? Just a scare tactic? Idk I find it weird that they murder most vault dwellers and leave a few as… hostages? Moldaver only broke in to get Hank, right?

[bright badge]

To stop them following quickly

[normal crater]

I think Moldaver knew the vault dweller would fight back and there will be casualties

[bright badge]

She's also a psycho

[normal crater]

NCR force in the area was very thin, so Moldaver, being a cold-hearted bitch, hired a bunch of raiders to do the dirty job

Cannon-fodder, expendable, won't smear the NCR's reputation

[bright badge]

I assumed they were ncr kids left behind by the bos

Easier for her to manipulate

[carmine path]

I think they were survivors of the bomb

[normal crater]

hmm so they were looking for revenge?

[carmine path]

Or it chould be a mix of both

[bright badge]

Revenge likely but vaults are full of loot

[smoky hill]

so is Bud reporting the current status of the tri vaults back to vault tec and therefore the enclave knows about it or does the enclave have access to the monitoring equipment inside the vaults? Wilzig knew an awful lot about Lucy 219 years after the vaults closed so it cant be old data they have access to new present day data

[glass hill]

That’s another thing… were they actively trying to loot the vault or was it just a use of force to get the guns and murder the vault dwellers? I feel confused about the motivations of the raiders lol

It’s like they were on a mission but at the same time they were just murdering for fun for some reason?

🤷‍♂️

[smoky hill]

well, raiders like murdering for fun so they'll do that whenever possible

[glass hill]

I wonder if the “raiders” were actually some remnants of the NCR

I feel the term “raiders” is so basic

[bright badge]

That's the idea

It covers the basis for any kind of criminal

[glass hill]

Well yeah but there was something much bigger going on with these “raiders”. Like moldaver had intentions outside of being just a petty “raider”

[bright badge]

She's a cult leader, not a raider

[fluid basin]

It can be both? No reason to have just one reason.

[bright badge]

All clear to do what they want as long as Hank wasn't killed

[glass hill]

What was this “cult” even about? Wasn’t it just opposing vault tec? See, like that’s a higher motivation than chucking it up as “raiders”

[fluid basin]

I thought it was like trying to bring sandy shade back?

[bright badge]

That's what she says, although seems like shes just bullshitting for manpower

[glass hill]

Sandy Shores is a giant hole in the ground. Maybe they were trying to resurrect the NCR? 🤷‍♂️

[bright badge]

Shady sands particularly, not the ncr

[fluid basin]

I mean they could rebuild it nearby?

[glass hill]

Wasn’t shady shores the capital city of the NCR?

[bright badge]

The first one

[fluid basin]

But can't do it without cold fusion?

[glass hill]

I think the cold fusion part was about gaining power in the wasteland

Infinite energy

[glass hill]

My question is, what was the endgame for moldaver

[carmine path]

You think max is gonna betray the brotherhood after seeing shady sands light up and seeing a new hope for it?

[glass hill]

Wasn’t he promised the 2nd highest position in the west coast BOS?

[fluid basin]

Improving the wastelands? I mean she was trying to do it pre-war as a mean to end resource wars.

[carmine path]

Yes

The elder promised him he will be by his side

[fluid basin]

Looks like it. I mean he already betray it anyway.

[glass hill]

Moldaver is a odd character

Uses murderers to improve the wasteland

[fluid basin]

It's the wasteland, and her home was nuked. Do you think she can walk into vault 33 and hank will give her the code?

[glass hill]

Her whole plan feels like a half measure

Like building on quicksand

[fluid basin]

Lucy found out that way, wasteland is not like the vaults.

[fluid basin]

How so?

[glass hill]

She uses barbarians essentially to further her own goals and then kinda naively expects cold fusion to fix the world lol

[fluid basin]

How would you get hank to give her the code?

Without taking him out the vault?

[carmine path]

Dought pointing a gun to Lucy's head whould work since he tried to kill his wife

[glass hill]

You would need to get into the vault and kidnap Hank but there’s not really any reason for most of the vault dwellers to be murdered.

Like I said, she’s working with chemed-out lunatics

[smoky hill]

i wonder if we'll get to see a steel plague with the west coast BOS being a cult and now having infinite energy

[carmine path]

Likley the deal was that they chould kill the vault but keep hank alive

[fluid basin]

But here a thing, hank will have to die, otherwise he will nuked agian.

You will still called her cold blooded anyway

[carmine path]

Dought molediver is gonna let him go

[fluid basin]

I highly doubt it.

What make you think of that?

[glass hill]

Is Moldaver still alive anyway? She goes into another room and we don’t see her again

[fluid basin]

She passed away from blood loss

[carmine path]

Or the bos gunned her down

[fluid basin]

While holding hand with lucy

[smoky hill]

Maximus is hailed as her killer and is unofficially appointed as knight by the other members of the BOS

[glass hill]

I might need to rewatch the scene. The very obvious green screen in the back kept me distracted the whole episode

[carmine path]

I think his friend knew he dident kill her

[fluid basin]

Oh yeah, he knew he didnt.

[glass hill]

They like ran out of budget for cgi in the last episode lol

[fluid basin]

Wait what really? It looks good to me!?!?

Max was going to say he didnt killed her but his friend knew it and lied to other BoS.

[glass hill]

I’m talking about the hole in the roof of the building. It’s like bad blurry green screen lol

[fluid basin]

How so?

[glass hill]

Let me try to find a picture

The cgi just looks very much like a crappy green screen effect

[smoky hill]

omg the show is now horrible
i cant believe todd would do something like this!
#hateToddHoward

[glass hill]

lol that’s not what I mean

The show is great. The green screen was just distracting me

[smoky hill]

i know, i just know theres a group of people out there that saw that and think exactly the way i just said lol

Fallout fans be fallout fans

honestly though i dont pay attention to anything if its not the focus of the scene

[glass hill]

Like just look at the background of this shot

It looks flat lol

And there’s like 20+ minutes of the episode in that same room

[smoky hill]

looks fine to me tbh

[warm ermine]

I thought the sky looked pretty

[glass hill]

There’s also this shot

It looks like a sound stage lol

Like the lighting is inconsistent and everything beyond the set is not as detailed

[smoky hill]

interesting

did not know there was a city behind her

i was to focused on the bottle in her hand lol

[fluid basin]

It looks fine to me?

[glass hill]

I was too focused on how fake the background looked to me

[lyric bramble]

It looks fine when it's not a picture taken from a phone

[glass hill]

Just a matter of perception then I guess. I can very clearly tell that’s a green screen

[glass hill]

Yeah I can’t take screenshots of apps on my ps5, sadly

I couldn’t find any screenshots from Google

[warm ermine]

Just rewatched, it looks fine. The skyline is really far from where they are in that building so it looks blurry and normal

the lighting seems natural for the environment and there isnt anything close enough to the top of that building to have detail

[rare acorn]

Yea it didn't break my immersion, wasn't really looking at the background anyways

[bright badge]

Looks fine in motion

[glass hill]

Out of focus and long distance shots being blurry isn’t the problem. It’s the clear contrast between practical props and the cgi.

[warm ermine]

Sorry that it's affecting your watching of the scene

[bright badge]

If you eyeball it instead of focusing on the scene itself

[warm ermine]

looks totally fine to me

[rare acorn]

The show has done well so s2 will hopefully have an even bigger budget and we can see a tonne of new things

[bright badge]

He didn't grow up with the prequels lmao

[glass hill]

I guess I’m the only one lol

[glass hill]

Even though season 2 is pretty much in the bag already, has it been officially renewed yet?

[warm ermine]

not officially but it seems unlikely it wont

[rare acorn]

I thought it was officially renewed before the show released

[bright badge]

Amazon only commission one season

Unlike other companies which order two

[warm ermine]

the reception from fans and non fans has been insane and overwhelmingly positive, they have that incentive of money from california, the creators really want to make more

[rare acorn]

Should cancel ROP s2 and give their budget to Fallout

[glass hill]

A memo got leaked the other day that greenlit Invincible to season 5, but yeah, the first season is usually a 1 season deal

[warm ermine]

amazon would be frankly stupid to not let them do another one

they like money, they're not that dumb

[rare acorn]

It's one of few shows they released that was good so it will

[warm ermine]

fallout is practically a money printer

[fathom brook]

Bigger problem is why is there skyscrapers in the background if its suppose to be shady sands

[bright badge]

Invincible is exceedingly popular

[warm ermine]

tie that in with a show that actually has done the series justice

[warm ermine]

the scene is at the griffith observatory

[rare acorn]

Cuz they messed up the lore and put shady sands in LA instead of 300 miles north of it

Or they moved it's location somehow

[glass hill]

Now that it’s been established as a hit, I really hope the quality doesn’t perish in future seasons. There’s so much careful detail in the sets and dialogue that many writers/directors would never bother with

[rare acorn]

I hope the show has New Arroyo

Or Klamath

[warm ermine]

the show runners are big fans of the series so I doubt they'd mess it up unless they got super pressured from somewhere else

[smoky hill]

if you look at it from shady sands perspective you'll only see dirt and rock

[fathom brook]

I hope this is true when i watched that episode it was like 2 am

I thought they slapped in the background cause it looks cool

[warm ermine]

I'm a no life nerd who's watched the whole series twice, my memory isn't very amazing but I'm confident I remember most of it correctly lol

[glass hill]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying. A lot of shows eventually bring on new writers and producers and they add in things that don’t mix with the vision season 1 put forward

[warm ermine]

I feel like Todd of all people would shut that shit down if it started getting weird

Some people might talk shit and say things about him wanting to be destructive etc, but he is so passionate about the franchise

[smoky hill]

he may not always make the best decisions but damn is that man passionate about his games

[warm ermine]

He said he had an emotional reaction when the producers came to him saying they wanted to bomb shady sands

[smoky hill]

"yo todd! can we nuke shady sands? pwetty pwease? UwU"

[ember crag]

Aaron Paul as an ncr ranger or we riot

[rare acorn]

Someone said the NCR ranger helmet looked bad

[ember crag]

It did

[glass hill]

Todd is someone who undoubtedly is passionate about his projects but somehow just accepts delivering shitty content? It’s hard to understand what he actually thinks. He’s just very much more a PR person

[ember crag]

But I'm saying full riot gear

Those 2 people didn't have the full getup just the helmet

[smoky hill]

please dont
i dont want any more jesse memes roaming around

[rare acorn]

Yea it wasn't on him properly but I think that was the point, that it's not his armor and it was handed down to him

[glass hill]

Like he delivered starfield and fallout 76 undercooked and seemingly was okay with that?

[rare acorn]

So the helmet didn't fit his big head

[ember crag]

Yeah I assumed as much

[ember crag]

He went to the premier of fnv it would be* a crime to not get him on the show

[rare acorn]

Jesse?

Oh wait breaking bad

[smoky hill]

so does that mean we should have everyone that went to the premier of FNV on the show?

[glass hill]

Todd strikes me almost like a snake oil salesman. He knows what he and the players want, but only goes halfway with it.

[warm ermine]

This is too extensive of an argument to get into especially in this channel, but we all know if he didn't care he would trash them and not talk about them anymore which is clearly not the case and it's unfair to make a blanket statement like that

[glass hill]

That first part is true. Should bring the conversation to another chat

[rare acorn]

I think starfield was bad because he had an idea for what it would be but he never had a proper vision on how to execute it

[bright badge]

Too many unrelated aspects

[smoky hill]

F76 is getting extended updates and new story content since its release
FOR FREE
if that man wasnt passionate about his games he would ask 10 bucks for each major update

[bright badge]

Todd has ideas but he needs someone who filters them

[ember crag]

Yes

[bright badge]

Mtx makes more money than dlc

[smoky hill]

sooo if i say FNV sucks will you find my house and murder me in my sleep?

[bright badge]

Dlc is you pay once. Mtx is you pay however many times you want

[ember crag]

I'll cry in the corner of my room

[smoky hill]

well better start then because i do NOT like that game lol

[fluid basin]

Different cities?

Also were there a crater in background or no?

I cant recall?

[bright badge]

Shady Sands had a standard of life equivalent to pre war US

[glass hill]

It’s not sandy shores. I assumed it was LA or something

[bright badge]

They 100% could've begun building skyscrapers

[rare acorn]

I thought they did

Is that not what that scene showed

When her mom is standing and there's huge buildings all around her

[glass hill]

I thought it was the remains of LA

[fluid basin]

Yeah that what I thought. there is a bunch of cities in la basin anyway.

[rare acorn]

It probably is the remains of LA they probably repaired some of the sky scrapers

[fluid basin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles

[glass hill]

I’m just surprised by how many lights turned on lol

After over 200 years

[fluid basin]

yeah I was like that part is unrealistic heh. Most of the wires will be decayed or destoryed by now.

[glass hill]

Exactly

[rare acorn]

Yea a lot of people said the same, how are the wires still good

[fluid basin]

But agian, ruins right next to crater is unrealistic in real world but it's fallout, so.. throw that out.

[rare acorn]

Maybe it's like fo4 tho

Where we have these wireless power connectors

Maybe the city is filled with those

[fluid basin]

Rad work different in fallout world

[glass hill]

lol that’s another thing

Sandy Shores is a massive crater but everything outside of that is still relatively intact

That’s not how craters work

Also I believe Todd did comment on the “nuke”

[thin knot]

Could the courier be in season 2? I haven’t played much of new Vegas but from what I know the show is based literally a few years after new Vegas and with the end scene showing new Vegas I was wondering if the courier would still potentially be around. Idk if the courier dies in the end or not

[rare acorn]

It would've been cooler if the crater was where the cathedral was and we see the Hub instead of shady sands

Or boneyard I guess not hub

[thin knot]

I’m like 90% sure this is a possibility

[carmine path]

Let em cook

[glass hill]

Bombs?

As in plural?

And what happened right after new Vegas?

[glass hill]

I don’t think so. I think there’s a big chance he/she will be referenced even if it’s just “someone did this in the past”

But appearing? No.

The courier isn’t a established character

It’s an RPG character

[carmine path]

That whould make all the nv fans mad

They showed the vault dweller as a person before and it dident turn out to well

[thin knot]

Wdym

[carmine path]

Fallout brotherhood of steel made them some asshole

If the character isent exactly how they made it fans will be mad

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^

[shrewd rune]

Me when Emil makes Nate a War criminal

[wraith birch]

Excuse my language, but oh my fucking god. As someone who knows hardly anything about fallout but understood most of the show. It was great. The final fight between the NCR and The Brotherhood was absolutely amazing, The fact nobody has been killed off yet just completely baffles me. The ghoul is such a good character with great development too, but I’d love to see more of Mr House in the next season. Especially when ending at what I assume is new vegas. I’d happily watch this show again 10/10. Ive never been more hooked to playing a game than I have now.

[rich iron]

I doubt the courier would stick around in New Vegas, even if he owned it. He's the type of guy that likes to roam around.

[cobalt parcel]

Who’s to say vault tec doesn’t have bunker busting tactical nukes?

I mean, you aren’t wrong, but it would be more believable that they deployed a bomb that would destroy underground structures by penetrating into the ground and blowing up. Reducing overhead damage while still producing a large crater.

[fathom brook]

Ummmm so why is there ruined buikdings next to shady sands before it got nuked

It look like the boneyard but thats in la

[smoky hill]

they moved shady sands for some reason so that is LA

[fathom brook]

its over

[smoky hill]

correct

as there is now a hole in the ground

[shrewd rune]

Me when the Master missed 5 Vaults now

[visual carbon]

In fairness he sent some scouts to one that was ruined

so he hardly had up to date/complete information

Just think of it that way

[daring pilot]

The vaults are equipped with communication capabilities to the external world. As far I know its part of the protocol to ignore it and just proceed as ordered.

[tiny bronze]

He was in a silly goofy mood

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He wasn't able to break them in time

[solar turret]

Woooo new Vegas is cannon 🥳

[tiny bronze]

Yayy

[carmine path]

I dought the master wants the incest mutation vault

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Even he has standards

[fathom brook]

I find it hard to care when the writers dont even care enough to not have their cities teleport

[carmine path]

Yes

Alot of stuff has been inconsistent

[ember crag]

Will we see long dick Johnson in season 2?

Idk if those are equal but I agree. While I'm bothered by inconsistencies I enjoyed the show very much

I was so giddy watching this show

I knew it'd be years before we got any meaningful fallout content other than 76 which I don't care for

Watched it all in one night slept like shit no regrets

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We're getting a next gen update for 4 tbf

[ember crag]

Meh

I want fallout 5 rn

Hopefully fallout london isn't pushed back too far

Something to hold me over

Agreed

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I think a lot of Americans forget that

Some stuff is intrinsically American in the series

[cobalt parcel]

I hope it isn’t another multiplayer shit show

just give us a maximum 4 man co-op game that’s completely story based

I will say the camp thing from 76 would be nice to have in some capacity in future games

but the perk system, weapon mod system… just about everything else from 76 can go die in a super mutants shit bucket

Ghoul be like ✌🏼😐

[warm ermine]

https://x.com/kilter_films/status/1781097544669663379?s=46&t=jrlO7x1ACO2dBbI_QT8AUA

Kilter Films (@kilter_films) on X

Maybe the real season 2 is the friends we made along the way. Thanks for coming on this quest with us!

Twitter · Apr 18, 2024, 11:08 PM

[ember crag]

Can't wait

[shrewd rune]

I don’t think those are comparable

[shrewd rune]

Your examples, They're not comparable to moving Shady Sands 400 Miles south thereby interrupting the entire plot of Fallout 1

[meager swallow]

And Shady Sands being built in a pre-war ruin. Total BS, entire point of the city was that it was entirely new

[shrewd rune]

It has literally always been in the same area, its minor location move in fallout 2 to fit it on the map to the northwest is not treated in game as a different location than from 1. To move Shady sands means also to move Vault 13 and 15, thereby making the masters search time limit completely impossible and changes the lore of multiple factions such as the NCR, Khans, Jackals and Vipers. The entire expansion of the NCR in Fallout 2 is based on its central location in California

[meager swallow]

They moved it just because they wanted LA and Hollywood in the show

If they set it around SanFran it would have made more sense

Honestly these completely unnecessary changes really sours me on the show

For all of the awesome set dressing, soundtrack, and general vibes, the show has the same fundamental problem as FO3, it has nonexistent worldbuilding

This show needed a ton more exposition

[shrewd rune]

Because One is clearly worse than the others, saying mentions of cities is comparable is simply a strawman and disingenuous as those can be fixed in Season 2 regardless and have no effect on the lore of previous fallout content. Vault City and Arroyo are nowhere even near Los Angeles so what is even the point of that mention. Necropolis was also destroyed 130 years before the show. The Hub is the closest but still not near the city and for all we know could have been destroyed. Your examples are nonsensical

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How is geographic location especially relevant though

Vegas, DC and Boston are significantly changed in terms of distance and scale

[shrewd rune]

and? how is that in anyway related to my argument scale in itself is not related to what I am talking about.

[shrewd rune]

.

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I'm just asking lmao

Like how's it a big issue

[shrewd rune]

Im fine with that im just saying those are not related to what I am talking about

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Kk but how is the location of the place relevant

[shrewd rune]

Bruh my comment is right there, scroll slightly up

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💀

Imma be real that seems like a nitpick tbh

[shrewd rune]

I said why. Shady Sands location is not relevant to the shows plot. Its relevant to the rest of fallout lore and is integral to the interconnected plot of 1 and 2 and up to New Vegas

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Well was

Not anymore cause it's a crater

[shrewd rune]

Which I am fine with

[meager swallow]

A handful of exposition lines, that while not meaning anything to new viewers, would mean a ton of fans, is all that was really needed.

"NCR moved its capital to The Hub after the Brotherhood War"
Moldaver mentioning getting orders/support from the President.

Stuff like that would've made it so much better. A handful of words

[shrewd rune]

thats new post lore

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It'll come up when relevant to the characters tbf

Cause it's information that'd probably interest Max

[shrewd rune]

I am not saying it ruins the show for me that's just cope from people to anyone who critiques the retcons

[meager swallow]

Max has low int, high luck, nothing interests him except Lucy and oysters

This show was just "we need cool thing" the show

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I still think it'd interest him on the basis he's beginning to question the BOS a little more

[meager swallow]

They wanted Hollywood so they changed things to use Hollywood

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Cause Maximus probably isn't his actual name

[shrewd rune]

Still a 8.5/10 show for me and that score because of pacing/shooting /cgi moments not lore breaks

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My only issue was Maximus had a slow start in comparison tbh

He doesn't really get his better character moments until later on

[meager swallow]

They used a recognizable name like Shady Sands instead of something more obscure like New Adytum and threw a wrench into everything

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Kinda had to go to preserve the post apocalypse

If they were just living a mostly regular life it'd confuse new viewers on the severity of the great war

[meager swallow]

That's something that pisses me off about Bethesda Fallout. Nothing is allowed to change, not permanently

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I mean stuff does

[meager swallow]

It always has to come back around to half crazy people living in garbage piles

[shrewd rune]

Also contradicts the Vault Dwellers Memoirs which is literally the in universe character protag describing his canon journey.

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It's something Avellone himself was trying to do with Lonesome Road, it wasn't a new idea with Bethesda

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Iirc that's considered non canon now

I've seen people say that when it gets brought up

[shrewd rune]

Nothing says its not canon and everything it says lines up with changes in F2 and dialogue said by characters in there like Tandi

[meager swallow]

Doesn't matter, it wasn't cool enough. They needed to be near Hollywood so they could have their cool gunslinging actor badass

Nothing else mattered

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Meh it works

[meager swallow]

Sure, they didn't retcon 1, 2, and NV fully. But the show took a big dump on them and smeared shit around so now it's hard to even see what happened anymore

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Kinda an over exaggeration

Todd outright said it's all canon so it's not hard at all

[shrewd rune]

We have to wait to see in Season 2 to see if the show smeared all over our playthroughs in New Vegas. It probably did lets be real but We have to wait and see

[snow fern]

what benefit adding to the discussion does this make?

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I doubt it, they've been careful thus far

I have faith in Nolan to make it work, guy wrote the prestige and made it work

[shrewd rune]

As long as you consider the shows depiction of shady sands noncanon though Id say nothing else disrespects Fallout 1 or 2. The Retcon crowd are going too far for sure

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I mean it's just a slightly different location most fans didn't even notice

[shrewd rune]

Most fans didnt play fallout 1

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If that's the biggest thing, I'd say it wasn't a terrible job overall

[shrewd rune]

and again it invalidates the plot structure of Fallout 1 and its time mechanics but since no one played it there only whining about any potential slight on the golden grail New Vegas while superficially saying they care about the classic games

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NV fans forget NV itself has inconsistent aspects tbf

[meager swallow]

It's not a slight inconsistency, it's a massive one. Shady Sands in the show is hundreds of miles from the general area it could be in 1 and 2.

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^

[meager swallow]

Add to that it was built in a pre-war ruin in the show rather than being entirely new like 1 and 2

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Probably because they had already spent a decent amount of time and money on the Filly set

[meager swallow]

It was a big deal in 1 and 2 that Shady Sands was an entirely new city

[shrewd rune]

Which breaks the plot of 1 as I have been saying but ultimately it can be hand waved by just saying it’s a show specific depiction of it

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It'd be what? More than 50 years since the last time it was seen?

They probably built new stuff

I don't really give a shit tbh, it appears for less than a few minutes

[meager swallow]

The flashback with Rose shows them using hollowed out pre-war skyscrapers

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Meh

it's a big crater now so it's not gonna effect later games

[shrewd rune]

It doesn’t affect my opinion of the show much though . I already knew they would mess up but they’ve put out most of the fires and I’ve excited to see where season 2 goes

[bright badge]

Wanna see more robots tbh

Like a protectron

[meager swallow]

I just hope they show the rest of the NCR, and that it's not gone and they only had to retreat from the area around Shady Sands

The NCR was supposed to be this safe, modernized civilization. People were able to travel between towns unarmed and be safe

Entire generations of people grew up only knowing the NCR, the Great War and the US would've been like the Roman Empire to Venetian citizens in the Middle Ages

[shrewd rune]

Ehh the NCR does still have raiders them being unable to safely protect caravans is a plot point and Ceasers father was killed by raiders

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They had taxes, they had to go

[meager swallow]

On the frontiers in areas not fully under NCR control, sure

But the core of the NCR was safe, civilized, and clean

No piles of trash that someone really should've cleaned up

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Besides the corruption

[shrewd rune]

We see the NCR during 2 has a problem with slavers and raiders. I doubt that just vanished under worse presidents.

I agree the NCR was the most advanced Nation in Fallout but it was still 1900 level in state of affairs and organization

And yeah I think Shady sands getting nuked sucks ass but it doesn’t destroy the faction or stop the NCR from rebuilding

[meager swallow]

I don't care that Shady Sands was destroyed, I care that they failed to provide sufficient exposition to the point that Todd had to come out and basically reassure people that the NCR still exists

[shrewd rune]

Which is a fair point

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Cause people couldn't read a flow chart tbf

NCR is more than one city, obviously wasn't destroyed fully

[meager swallow]

Nothing in the show tells viewers that at all

[shrewd rune]

Yeah it’s only called Shady sands outside one time and stuff like Lucy saying her mom died in 2277 doesn’t help

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I mean you know it's more than one city

[meager swallow]

Why were these people having a birthday party at 6:45am?

[nova delta]

I'm pretty hyped to (hopefully) find out exactly wtf happened to Vegas.

Seeing Vegas my beloved like that had me seething for like a day, now I'm just curious.

[obsidian maple]

hi I just finished the series and I am mindblown

[small linden]

Same

[tawdry yacht]

THE NEW VEGAS CLIFFHANGER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SO GOOD

legit left me shaking from exitement cant wait for S2

time to replay new vegas

[tawdry yacht]

same

[proper quest]

excited to see the Followers, Kings and whoever from NV in the new season

[visual carbon]

I just wanna see what they do with it

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My main complaint for the series is the NCR is just straight up gone.

All we see of it is shit people saved, like Muldaver's lot or the Vault 4 lot.

The scavengers have some ranger gear, but that begs the question of what happened to the rangers.

I think if they'd had more NCR fluff floating around, even if it's graffiti or an abandoned poster or two, it'd have gone a long way to making people feel more comfortable that the NCR was still there until this event, and would be a relevant force in future

[carmine path]

Hope we get to see some engery gun action

[visual carbon]

I wonder if the first season was mostly more normal guns to ease people in

[carmine path]

Like that werid laser pistol thing the knight used

[proper quest]

its not over yet, NCR is not only Shady Sands, they are out of one of their biggest cities, but NCR's cause is all but lost

and we dont even know what awaits New Vegas (and what ending is canon)

[visual carbon]

I know the NCR's not dead.

Just struck me as odd they left nothing behind.

The stuff we do see was taken by people, or kept by them - so did they take or keep everything?

[lilac osprey]

That isnt confirmed

Shady sands is straight up gone

[visual carbon]

No I mean from the region

I know the NCR may still exist, somewhere

but it's gone from the area

[lilac osprey]

Where do you think hanks heading to?

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Why does no-one know what I mean when I say this

If London were to get nuked you'd find the occasional British flag, a poster mentioning London, some TFL stuff etc lying around

the city and culture wouldn't just vanish in to nothing except for 2 groups with a flag

It wouldn't just disappear overnight

I don't mind that the people have left and the NCR no longer controls it, there just seems to be far less of it around than I'd expect from next to the capital of a nation there for over 100 years

[cobalt parcel]

this literally describes the NCR in the fallout show

you see the flag somewhere in almost every episode

and you cannot possibly compare modern day London to a city of 34,000 people

it’s pretty fuckin easy to send a nation who’s capitol is only 34,000 people to pound town and within 30 years nobody wants to mention their name

[cobalt parcel]

Are you really making the argument that it’s impossible after 30 years in a post apocalyptic wasteland that a city who got nuked couldn’t possibly have been looted clean by A.) the people who lived there previously B.) the brotherhood of steel C.) raiders ?? Is that really your argument here?

[visual carbon]

30 years?

New Vegas is set in 2281

So it's 15 at most

Also, why would a raider steal a poster on a wall

or scrub over a bit of graffiti

Obviously useful shit would be looted but I don't think all remnants of a nation there for over 100 years is just gonna be gone in 15

Even if it's just in what people say and how they talk, we get so little mention of them

Except for 2 groups of NCR people which like, yeah, duh, but is that really it

I just think it'd have been nice worldbuilding to see that, and would also have shut some of the more vocal NV fans up complaining about what they did to the NCR.

[cobalt parcel]

I really don’t think you understand the scale of what 34,000 people looks like

if that is your capitol city and it gets nuked, your “nation” is GONE

[visual carbon]

34k people and an economy that can run vertibirds and send tourists to vegas.

I just feel there should be more lying around, said as a habit, or mentioned, than we got, if this was actually right next to shady.

[cobalt parcel]

when everything is scavengable running a helicopter really isn’t expensive

[visual carbon]

And yet we only see 2 other factions manage it. One is the old government, and one is the remnants of the army.

You gotta see where I'm coming from even if you disagree

it just seems weird that right next to that capital shit's just gone

I don't mind it being gone, but it strikes me as strange

[cobalt parcel]

“only two other factions” as if that isn’t, as you mentioned, people with intimate knowledge of how they function.

we were talking about cost, not a knowledge basis of maintaining it

[visual carbon]

It's both

[cobalt parcel]

again I think your sense of scale is way off. in a post apocalyptic world there’s gonna be maybe .1% of groups of people over the size of 50 or so people. when you’re farming for your livelihood and building shit shacks to sleep in at night you aren’t going to be flying around pre-war helicopters for fun

[visual carbon]

I don't even know what your point is

my point is that the NCR had the resources to have the spare people to maintain, run, and scavenge for vertibirds.

[cobalt parcel]

you seemed to think “an economy that can run vertibirds” was important to mention

[visual carbon]

No-one else we've seen has managed that except those already very well equipped.

It is

because they didn't start with that

They grew to be able to do it, and can spare the resources to do it

[cobalt parcel]

okay and economies disappear overnight when you nuke their center and kill most of its participants

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And if the economy is that capable and advanced, where is the shit it'd leave behind

Because not all of it is gonna be in that crater.

The NCR had a very capable police force, capable of keeping order - you're telling me nothing exists outside of the capital for that?

[cobalt parcel]

with your logic the us dollar should’ve still been the currency used in fallout 76 since it’s so soon after the whole nation went to shit, and it had an economy 10000000x larger than anything the NCR could possibly dream of

[cobalt parcel]

stolen. destroyed. buried in sand.

is it really this hard for you

[visual carbon]

I see your point I just deny its totality.

I don't believe a single nuke and 15 years is going to scrub all references and mention of such a state next to its capital of 100+ years.

I have no issue with it removing most of it, the people, the army may have left, that's not my issue.

[cobalt parcel]

what you’re saying only makes sense if we aren’t already 200+ years deep into nuclear apocalypse. the ability of things to fall back apart is so drastically higher

[visual carbon]

It is, but the NCR seemed to be remarkably well developed for a post apocalyptic state.

[cobalt parcel]

the show shows a good bit of a remnant still around

[visual carbon]

So I think just putting a few things in there would have made it... better

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I think they're saving it for Maxs story in S2 tbh

[visual carbon]

Ooooh that'd be a good conflict

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Cause there's a lot of unreliable information

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Ex NCR boy now loyal to the BoS, but wanting to bang a goose, running in to some NCR lads

That'd be interesting, especially if the NCR ends up against goosey

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Cause the BOS we see doesn't seem like the type to comb Shady Sands for survivors

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not as compared to any other major faction

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I don't even understand the BoS we see.

If they're maxson's lot because Prydwen god damn they've changed

not the type to look for survivors still, but lord

Maybe they're just "fitting in" with the chapter they came to meet in LA

[cobalt parcel]

I understand it

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Someone said they've taken in legion remnants

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it's make sense if they're chasing fusion where they find it.

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That's the only real way I can see all the religious vibes and branding getting in

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people act as if the BOS they saw in the show isn’t just every military ever

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Unless it's a chapter we've not seen yet and Maxson's lot just hooked upw ith them

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With censers?

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Did they say why the prydwen shows up

[visual carbon]

it's a bit OTT even for the bos

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Ties into Arthurian stuff tbf

[cobalt parcel]

hell, even anyone who’s ever played highschool football fully understands the BOS portrayed in the show

FO4’s portrayal of the BOS is a bit idealistic and we never even see anything like a boot camp style airbase to compare off of

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It's kinda the opposite tbf

They play up it's flaws quite a bit

The scavengers who yanked NCR armour must have wild DT

[obsidian maple]

the triumphs and defeats, the epic highs and lows of high school football lol

[cobalt parcel]

I’m talking about culture

[obsidian maple]

It's just a theory with all the red stuff but honestly it could also just be the showrunners wanting to go red because it's cool

[cobalt parcel]

and the personalities

[obsidian maple]

but then again this is Jonathan Nolan

[cobalt parcel]

Johnny Nolan please stomp on me

[visual carbon]

I was worried about it because of what Westworld became

then I read up on it and realised he was way less involved after S1

Very glad my concerns were unwarranted

[cobalt parcel]

Lucy is not 1 strength lower than the ghoul🤣

he can literally face tank bullets

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Endurance determines HP not strength

[cobalt parcel]

the ghoul is the smartest and strongest out of the 3 of them

4 intelligence is just criminal

[rare acorn]

Ouuuu

Oh dang it won't send

Tim Cain has a review up now for the whole first season

[warm ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFBLAbwMA0

"tldr tim said he liked the show"

[rare acorn]

Wow that's actually weird, I wonder if that scene in the show was a reference to this or if the show just accidentally does things that happened in the games

[rare acorn]

Cuz it's a great show, also makes a good point on timelines, just cuz someone says a date in the show or games doesn't make it automatically true, they could be misinformed or lying etc

[warm ermine]

he has a lot of great points

even comments on super fans being like omg so and so had the wrong eye color "who cares"

[rare acorn]

He must not have seen the Todd Howard and Nolan post before making this video

That confirms the nuke was after nv cuz he mentioned that but not what Todd n Nolan said

[warm ermine]

yeah he isnt up to date

[rare acorn]

Also he talks about vault tec wanting to drop the nukes makes a lot of sense but he doesn't think the show is actually going to have them be the ones dropping it, cuz he doesn't think Barb would risk her kid dying

[warm ermine]

exactly

[rare acorn]

So he thought she wouldn't allow her kid to go out on a birthday party the day the nukes we're gonna drop if she knew that's when they were dropping

[warm ermine]

it was a plan they had as a backup if things didnt go their way

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I don't think he's smart.

[rare acorn]

Which makes sense

[visual carbon]

To this.

Ghoul ain't smart. He's street smart.

[rare acorn]

He's prewar smart yea

[visual carbon]

Man's lived 200 years in the school of hard knocks but I wouldn't trust him to be an engineer.

Absolutely be a caravan guard or wingman in the wastes, but not to diagnose an illness.

[rare acorn]

Oh one thing I don't think Tim mentioned was the ghoul meds

Wish we could get his opinion on that

[warm ermine]

guess it didnt bug him enough

[rare acorn]

Damn he didn't mention the NV reference at the end either

Probably was a spoiler free review or as spoiler free as possible

[carmine path]

Maybe there saving ncr for sessaon 2