EPISODE 8

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Which is eugenics and genocide

Both bad things

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🤷‍♂️

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There's the mask off

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I mean if you wanna keep on slamming that aspect, I guess so

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If you're not able to realise those are objectively evil, there's nothing to discuss franjly

[odd marsh]

the Enclave really is just that aspect though, like
thats the Enclave, there's nothing else

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Because they want to commit genocide, tf you mean slamming

[zenith pollen]

Also, that puppy was gonna die anyways so why not give it a painless death, I don’t even think the puppy was alive,

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You dumbass they killed them for being underweight

Stop trying to support the fascist faction 😭💀

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Wow the hostility towards a discussion

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Because it's either bait or genuine stupidity

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That’s not very respectful

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Neither is genocide or eugenics is it

The inability to fathom that those are deplorable is worthy of contempt on the basis of absence of empathy

[smoky hill]

i dont think burning to death is painless
you can hear the puppy AFTER it was thrown into the furnace

[zenith pollen]

Look I believe the enclave would’ve had rebuilt America if they killed off all the mutated life. I will say, the US were also doing some fucked up shit pre war

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And collapsed immediately due to being fascist. Like we always see them do

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You'd use a high dose of morphine

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It’s not painless but it’s the enclaves research dept, not everything is sunshine and rainbows in the wasteland, I mean you let’s be real here, team

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The inability to register that as bad is concerning

And a common thread in enclave fanboys to be frank

The America they'd make wouldn't be one worth living in

[zenith pollen]

Oh I know it’s bad, but it doesn’t change my opinion

[odd marsh]

Sometimes, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

[smoky hill]

you just said "why not give it a painless death" .... like what? lol
support fascism all you want but leave the puppies alone damnit!

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... and then they came for the puppies, and I actually gave a shit

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He's likely a child or an edge lord

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I’m 18

But pretty disrespectful

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Basically a child stull

[smoky hill]

EXACTLY!
i was fine with the enclave till i saw the puppies

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While it's probably not the nicest way to say it, god damn man, fallout isn't remotely subtle satire

if you can't see what's literally right in your face I don't know what to say

you either don't want to, or can't

neither are a good look.

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This is fallout discussion not a bitching contest

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Nope, lack of empathy is indication of underdeveloped brain. Usually means low age

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Like, if you're enclave as a joke and because they have drip fine

But there's no way you can actually... like them

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Disrespect isn't a factor, was an observational point

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Nah I’m enclave cause I believe they would make a better wasteland

[smoky hill]

isnt that what basically all fallout arguments are? just see who can bitch the loudest?

[odd marsh]

lmao

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Which is false, objectively and disproven many times over

They commit genocide and perform most of the worst crimes humanity has devised

Stables societies can't be build on that

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Yeah the cleansing the wasteland of mutants would have killed surface dwellers too.

They just don't give a shit about those.

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Which is why age is relevant since you would've known this

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Yet the institute, replaces humans with synthetic counterparts but the enclave is still the bad ones

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A lot of terrible ideologies sound nice on paper, but are horrific.

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Institute is also bad

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Look at literally anything seen in the show.

Brotherhood talks of honour and whatnot but look how it behaves

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But the enclave commit genocide

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The BOS kill anyone who doesn’t give them tech

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Vault tec does all its shit etc

[odd marsh]

The Institute treats people like guinea pigs, so they're also evil.

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Objectively false

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They can all sound nice, and sound like a good idea, then look how they act

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It is a fact

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The Enclave also commit genocide

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and boy does the enclave act...

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You said this already…

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Because I find your lack of reaction to it fascinating

You fail to understand how evil it is

How horrific the idea of doing it is

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Compared to every other faction, they ain’t as evil in terms of actions

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They commit genocide twice

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When?

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They fully plan to kill over 90% of the world

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And if you want any sense of credibility in your support he realistically shouldn't have to say it again should he.

But I digress.

I think given we've hit the wall of whether genocide is a dealbreaker, we're never gonna get back from this, and should verge away from politics/fallout politics and move to trying to be a bit more on track with the show

given the room we're in.

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Fallout 2
Fallout 3

[zenith pollen]

Then use the vaults to repopulate

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They kill those too. Fallout 2. Please play the games.

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yeah and 3...

but again, probably best we shift from this, neither of you will get anywhere.

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They're good and you'd look like less of an idiot for liking the nazi parodies

Their propaganda is cool but unironically falling for it, no don't do that

[little condor]

Hopefully the Enclave have a different plan in the show going forward into S2 beyond idiotic killpeopleism that didn't work on two occasions. Besides, idiotic killpeopleism is Vault-Tec's schtick now thanks to Hank.

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Just a little ridiculous after the tenth person does that

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I believe told yall to stay on topic and not bitch about someone’s opinions on a faction, we are talking about the show and the enclave within the show, yall changed the topic to see why I think the enclave are the good guys

[upbeat willow]

its proven false by wasteland stsndards. you are not fighting for good in falout, just the wastelands good. like how handsome jack is the good guy in borderlands. the enclave, institute and brotherhood could all be seen as viable paths. in given time once one of them take controll over most of the country, society will sort its own problems out over generations as it always does

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Because you're supporting the nazi parody

[upbeat willow]

that being said, im 100% ncr alighned

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Is this about the show or nah

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It's ok with people getting curious about what people think of other factions, and why people think that, it's the universe the show is in

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Enclave commit genocide, not viable

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But once we start going "Genocide bad!

"no"

We should probably bounce along to the next conversation.

It's just for the best.

[upbeat willow]

so has america, and every other country

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Pre war America commit genocide, raiders commit genocide, legion commit genocide

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All bad?

[upbeat willow]

its bad, but thats what happens at the start of civilizations

[smoky hill]

how's shady sands doing?

[zenith pollen]

Nuked to shit, vault tec fucked em up lol

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I can't believe the NCR is just... gone.

I genuinely can't believe it.

[upbeat willow]

its not

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Well, "gone" as in not a major force.

And yes I've increased slowmode until you lot get the hint.

[smoky hill]

anyway i find the lack of NCR mention to be weird tbh
its all shady sands this, shady sands that
what of the actual NCR? were they not important in shady sands?

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THIS

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Because it's not relevant yet

[odd marsh]

The show happens within a very small area, tbf.

[zenith pollen]

The ncr is crippled from shady sands being nuked, (now they know how the oil rig felt)

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You remove the capital, fair enough.

And we see one faction of continuation.

Where is everyone else

[little condor]

Shady Sands going boom doesn't mean every other NCR city suddenly went back to living in tin shacks and LARP'ing as Mad Max. If anything, it'd make them royally angry, not collapse, especially since Shady wasn't even their capital by the time of Hank's temper tantrum.

[upbeat willow]

the two offciers who arrested the ghoul are most likley ncr splinters, hell we saw one chapter in this season, im sure maldover didnt represent even a majority of the ncr she was such a raider her force couldnt have been the same as the force of wasteland democracy we saw

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This is what, a decade post NV?

[smoky hill]

did the NCR lose shady sands as a capital before it got nuked or something?

[odd marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fotv/comments/1c2n7iv/lucys_journey_mapped_minor_spoilers/#lightbox

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Where has it all gone

this is a nation that ran vertibirds

had tourists to Vegas

where has it all gone

10 years and all we get is a sign and a poorly clothed splinter group?

These fuckers had an army elsewhere

where is that

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Kimball probably made them try and conquer the sea and accidentally drowned them all

[smoky hill]

you lose the capital it gotta hurt but you cant tell me that without Shady sands the entire NCR just stops existin
what of vault city? would they not step in to fill the power vacuum within the NCR?

[upbeat willow]

i think the implication its just out of no where, mclane saw that shady sands was booming as it normally is, and then strolled home and pressed the big red button

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I think that's my only critique of the show really. The rest I can let slide or see as artistic license.

But god damn man

you take out the capital of a large stable nation and it just vanishes?

Even if Filly had "No NCR money" where it said "Caps only" it'd be a nod

[odd marsh]

Vault City is nowhere near Los Angeles.
The NCR wasn't stable.

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So who believes the enclave gonna be the next big bad villain season 2?

Now back to my main question

[little condor]

Wouldn't be surprised if they've shifted focus from 'get that POS traitor who stole our stuff' to 'get that dang cold fusion chip back from the Brotherhood'.

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It's a democracy. It has stable transition of leadership, usually, which we see happen in some versions of NV.

And... you know... all those troops in NV. What happens there?

Where do they go?

[smoky hill]

vault city was still part of the NCR tho so what remains of the NCR could be relocated there but why is there 0 mention of the NCR
we see the flags but no one mentions it at all

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Shady sands is gone, but their nation isn't. If it splinters, they'd remember the NCR.

It's again, only like 10 years after NV.

[odd marsh]

Probably going to defending the cities that are nowhere near that specific area of LA we see in the show.

[upbeat willow]

i think it could just be lore set up, perhaps new vegas 2 or something similiar will be set near or around shady sands. betehsda hints at returning to the east coast in video game form too

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Like I'm not saying it'd survive losing Shady sands, it's certainly possible it could but whatever, say it can't... it's gone

[little condor]

Plus, let us not forget that Shady Sands wasn't even the NCR capital at the time of Hank's temper tantrum according to that billboard. So, at most, Hank just nuked the NCR equivalent of Philadelphia. Used to be the capital, but still an important city overall.

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Does anyone believe the shadowy man that pinged Barb Howard’s pip boy at 19:28 timestamp, was an enclave general or research director trying to keep the VT meeting on track

God I love talking about the enclave

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The glass I'm drinking from has "Made in Czechoslovakia" on it.

That died 30 years ago.

Where the fuck is the NCR stuff.

[upbeat willow]

the equavalent of hilly is hilarious

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What the fuck there's an unironic enclave simp?

[upbeat willow]

also so vault tech just has nukes, can we discuss the logistics of this?

[little condor]

Or maybe the Vault-Tec CEO? Though if that's the case, why wasn't he running the meeting instead of Coop's wife and Bud?

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You must be new here.

We get them all the time.

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I believe they're part of the Enclave so either way it works.

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Fascist simps

[smoky hill]

why does everyone remember shady sands but not the people who owned the damn place

[little condor]

It's up for debate how many nukes Hank had at his disposal, otherwise he'd have blanket-fired all of 'em at every NCR city instead of just Shady Sands.

[zenith pollen]

Nah sender fi, god bless the enclave and no one else

[sturdy bone]

He was saving the vaults from SS tapping into the water supply. Not just nuking every city willy nilly

[smoky hill]

yes please, where did hank get that nuke? does vault tec just have nukes laying around that anyone with vault tec clearence can access?

[upbeat willow]

right, buts within verse its made clear that america has spare unfires nukes, so whats hank waiting for? go on an expitdition and suprise terroist nuke all the cities you can find a nuke for

[sturdy bone]

Also y'all Hank is a middle management type. You think he'd have the grand vision to actually just bomb every NCR city?

The entire point of v31 isn't vt execs. It's their admin assistants and middle managers.

Even bud was just a jr exec

[upbeat willow]

this is true, but it is vault tech mandate or what ever, however they are able to enforce that now

[little condor]

True, having that kinda vision is more Coop's psycho wife's kinda thing. Might be why Hanky skedaddled off to Vegas the moment Cooper asked about his family; he's running to go wake up his boss and tattle about these big meanie factions who're getting in the way of Vault-Tec's glorious plan.

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Idt it was really vt plan for Hank to nuke. Their bigger thing was relying on time

V31 still had like 40 years before reclamation day

Hank was buying the vault time until then

[upbeat willow]

also what is reclamation day, like i get that concept but what is vault tech plan? especially considering most of the vaults have horribly failed. is the plan to use the ones that hav susceeded as their own already unified people and take over the world with a running start? having sceintist and and army already?

[sturdy bone]

It's just the day they're supposed to leave the vault. Play like 30 mins of 76

[little condor]

I thought Reclamation Day was on a per-Vault kinda thing considering 76 had its Reclamation Day 25 years post-Great War.

[upbeat willow]

i know that part, but what is the actual plan, just leaving the vault literally doenst work unless your mc

[sturdy bone]

It is and they say during the wedding that their kids would be able to recolonize the surface which would be their reclamation day

[sturdy bone]

Only like 17 vaults are control vaults that would exit normally, the rest are all experiments and prob never actually expected to hit their reclamation day

Most of them are just set up to fail even if they made it to the day they're supposed to reopen

[upbeat willow]

ok, that clears things up but im just still stumped on the actual execution of exiting the vault door, and reclaiming the wasteland. how will vault tech deal with the enclave or the brotherhood when they make a play for power

will they alighn or war or integrate with ncr? what makes them think the surviving vault dwellers COULD reclaim the wasteland given whatw eve seen of them, usually destroying each other or being destroyed by raiders n the such

[smoky hill]

Vault tec or atleast bud was hanging on time clearing the wasteland for them

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Could've just popped off a reactor

[smoky hill]

vault tec assumed that if given enough time everyone on the survive would have died out and they could easily reclaim what was left of it

obviously humanity is a bit more stubborn then vault tec would have wanted

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Just a tad

[smoky hill]

very curious to see where S2 takes us with the vault tec story

[little condor]

Heck, the dang Enclave got closer to achieving Vault-Tec's 'wait until the world outside dies' plan back in Fallout 2.

Albeit putting their fingers on the scale with that whole global FEV thing.

[smoky hill]

funny enough if vault tec acted sooner they would have easier time succeeding then actually waiting longer

turns out, given enough time humanity can get back on its feet on their own without vault tec giving a "helping" hand

[little condor]

And quite well, considering Shady looked pretty well rebuilt even by Fallout 2, let alone having trams and the like in the show flashback. Heck, the Commonwealth would've been pretty aight if not for the Institute.

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Why have we not seen cold fusion in any fallout game other then the tv show, is it an enclave research project that was Uber classified or am I missing some stuff

[smoky hill]

because cold fusion is very difficult to achieve

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Another thing, what was that new creature that had human fingers as teeth in its mouth

Is it an FEV mutated creature

[smoky hill]

gulper

[upbeat willow]

no super mutants dissapointed me

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Only one small hand

[smoky hill]

enclave had a super mutant body

[zenith pollen]

I loved the fact the enclave base has that tension of something going on from the small hints by the scientist when he’s trying to leave

[smoky hill]

there was also the super mutant wanted poster in govermint

[upbeat willow]

i think its kinda hilarous everyone is struggling in the wasteland, and getting a dog companion is something to be saught after sometimes, and these mfers just out here in a brick house burning underweight puppies, like bro, every dog cn be useful, its the god damn wasteland

[smoky hill]

i was to focused on the doggos being the good boys they are

i am however from here on out never supporting the enclave ever again
poor puppies

[zenith pollen]

I gotta say other then the enclave burning the puppies who didn’t meet their lab requirements, I liked the fact the enclave were training dogs and actually humanely treating the living ones, or atleast the ones we saw

The living ones

[upbeat willow]

also does this confirm all dogmeats are enclave escapees?

[zenith pollen]

That’d be pretty dope

[smoky hill]

it could very well be the case yea
since all dogmeats are much better then their generic counterparts

speaking of dogs
where is dogmeat at the end of the show anyway?

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They genetically advanced dogs

[smoky hill]

no wait, it followed the ghoul i forgot

[upbeat willow]

atleast betehsda dogmeat, same breed so itd be a bit of a coincidence if its not

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I liked how at the end of the show it showed the ghoul and lucy traveling together but not really together… you could tell there was still some lack of trust in their relationship which makes sense since he was using her as bait and essentially tortured her for a bit

[upbeat willow]

and the enclave is just creating cold fusion? havent they been wiped out like 3 times, did the enclave shift focus to energy after being bopped?

[upbeat willow]

im just happy they portrayed slavery in some way. as terrible as that sounds

[smoky hill]

they probably thought that getting their ass handed to them by a tribal and a teenager was to much of an emberassement and just went along with research instead

[upbeat willow]

fallout vault dweller experince: leave vault, get enslaved, take a side quest from a guy in power armour, end up killing political figure head

[cobalt parcel]

yep, I was afraid when the ghoul started goating her into coming with him they’d pull the whole “oh you were bad but you’re my friend now” disney move

[normal crater]

I hope they would gradually grow into teacher-student or father-daughter relationship

[sturdy bone]

Cold fusion is apparently in the gecks. So it's more they had the device needed to complete the reactor and the scientist took it out. His research didn't seem to be fusion but the dogs

Vault tec bought up every company making cold fusion pre war

Moldy was a scientist working on it pre war

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I think as the ghoul learns that she is both an asset to have, she’s relatively combat capable, and she’s also a victim to Valut Tec’s ways like he was, that he will warm up to letting her accompany him

[zenith pollen]

Cause that made sense. The enclave got bodied because they couldn’t defeat plot armor in the form of a tribal

[normal crater]

And she's probably desperately in need of a father figure, considering her blood father is a fucking war criminal

[zenith pollen]

And a teen

[zenith pollen]

Nah just a regular vault tec exec, wouldn’t be a war criminal since ncr and vault tec weren’t in a war

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idek what you’d refer to him as, but he’s definitely a menace to society

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Fr

[normal crater]

Kyle's acting was great in that episode 8, I hate that guy so much.

[zenith pollen]

Bro nuked a city cause he disagreed with an argument

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it’s amazing how we are 219 years in the future and vault 31 seemingly has enough executives to last another 750+ years

[upbeat willow]

vault tech has built a busines model off of being based

[normal crater]

Honestly he's just pure evil, the previous antagonists at least had some form of ideological coherence

[zenith pollen]

Honestly tho, seeing shady sands, the capital of ncr nuked, was pretty cool, cause “Fuck the ncr”

[normal crater]

This guys is just well, like you said, "based"

Pretty homophobic as well (lmao), jealous that she left him for a woman

[upbeat willow]

vault techs plan truly is the pinnacle of capitalism though if they succeeded, i dont care that it revealed it because its so comically perfect for how vualt tech and insurance companies think

[zenith pollen]

Nah not really, he was probably just pissed she left him in the first place

[upbeat willow]

its like the conspiracies of industries working with the insurance companies to get both paid at the cost of people

[zenith pollen]

Jealously is homophobia? I never knew

[normal crater]

I was joking

[zenith pollen]

It’s hard to see sarcasm in word form

[normal crater]

Fallout is cuturally 50s but socially it's more comparable to real life modern day

anti interracial marriage/homophobia is not really a thing

[zenith pollen]

Colonel autumn cameo in future seasons would be pretty cool, since one of the endings of fallout 3 was letting the colonel live

[little condor]

Wouldn't he be old as heck by 2296? He already looked old by the time of Fallout 3.

[visual carbon]

Fallout is retrofuturistic which is a wonderful genre.

It's how we'd see the people of the past seeing the future.

And you can conveniently lose shit things like racism while doing that.

[zenith pollen]

I will say, if they do the enclave well as the villains of the next season, I think I’m gonna be seeing more enclave fanboys

[upbeat willow]

when were 60 well be playing the cyberpunk rpg set in the futuristic vault tech owned new America with vault tech as capitol

[normal crater]

Can't see the Lone Wanderer letting him live

I can see a 18 years old doesn't have much room for compassion for the murderer of their father

[zenith pollen]

See idk bout yall, but I set a date for 2077 Oct 23rd, hoping I live long enough for the tricentennial and the Great War start date

[zenith pollen]

Well hold on, we have options! You can send Sarah Lyons instead of your father.

[upbeat willow]

when it comes i will load up every fallout game to date in chronological order and devote a month to fallout. assuming the series is still arn

[zenith pollen]

Fr

I wish I could’ve joined the enclave in fallout 3, I honestly didn’t like the BOS or Eden’s enclave

[upbeat willow]

i suspect s2 is either completed or halfway done, everything from the end credit teaser, to dangling story threads and the fact it was released all in one season

[normal crater]

nah, this shit is expensive af

but a man can hope and I do love to see season 2 next years

The series stopped filiming 1.5 years ago

[upbeat willow]

damn, ig amazon is just baller then

the decision to drop all at once makes less sense to me if thats the case

[cobalt parcel]

drop it all at once, episode 1 is free to non-prime members, amazon W

start nuclear war, eliminate other tv series makers….

[faint cobalt]

After thinking about it, Lucy and Maximus looking at the crater of shady sands, man they were like so close to vault 13

a hop skip and a jump

[normal crater]

I think they knew they had a winner on their hand

Dripping strategy is generally reserved for season 2

And fallout is still kinda niche (as in only a few millions ever played it, not half america)

[hexed cosmos]

Factions weren't really a thing until new vegas

[small linden]

Yo they used the classic level up sound from fallout 1 and 2 when lucy reaches the observatory. That's so cool

Absolutely love the sound design throughout the show. They used plenty of sounds from across the series instead of just one game. Love it

[wintry linden]

The mini-gun vertibirds sounds are the same exact ones from fo4 too

[faint cobalt]

And the pip boy equipping sounds from one of them

[visual carbon]

A lot of the sounds match the games.

It was like Edgerunners in levels of weird.

[smoky hill]

pretty sure some of the dog sounds are also the same as F4 atleast it sounded like it

[shrewd rune]

Those good old Stimpack sounds

[small linden]

It really is. Though i wouldn't say weird. More of a "Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at tv" scenario

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The pip boy sounded like the fallout 3 one tbh

[small linden]

It has mixes of sounds from all games. The scroll sound is definitely from FO4, the level sound from FO1 and 2 and the load completion sound from 3/NV

[rare acorn]

I wonder if there will be a cryolator in s2

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It was unique so idk

[rare acorn]

Considering v31 is a cryo vault and you can't say well that's an east coast thing cuz they literally have the junk jet from 4

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3

Junk Jet was introduced in 3

[rare acorn]

No it's the junk jet from fo4, it's called the Rock it launcher in fo3 and looks completely different

Get your facts right

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They're the same thing

[hasty isle]

Yea they are basically the same

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Moira just gave it a different name

[faint cobalt]

I heard someone say Mr house wouldn’t have had some vaults or partnered with vault tec cuz it wouldn’t make financial sense

But, vault 21 gambling could’ve been his experiment then the securitron upgrade vault on the fort

Tv show wise

also tv show wise, is the pip boy now only a vault tec thing and not a partnership between robco and vault tec?

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coops wife mentions that vault tec licensed it from them, I thnk

damnit my laptop browser isnt set to let me take screenshots lol

buds buds stay winning

[shrewd rune]

Honestly I loved all the prewar stuff, I’d love to see some Fallout content dedicated to a prewar plot

[warm ermine]

I want so much more prewar

I'm happy we got so much but I want MORE

[visual carbon]

I really like what they did pre war because the society that caused the war is a key part of fallout

[warm ermine]

It’s really cool to see it more fleshed out

[visual carbon]

Radiation.

It has to be lengthy but persistent.

Or being close to a nuclear blast.

[whole drum]

A thought I had.

In the first episode, Lucy gets stabbed by a raider. She stimpaks herself and later gets stitched up.

So that means stimpaks don't magically heal wounds...they just stop the bleeding or something

If we apply that logic to ingame.

God DAMN that's a lot of trips to the doctor

Our character is full of holes and broken bones

[little condor]

Also known as Tuesday in the Wasteland.

[whole drum]

But he ain't bleeding so they ain't dying

This helps the lore out so much. It makes stimpaks not a very powerful thing. All it does is just help your body block the blood flow, which your body does automatically but slower

Which that also could explain the food in the video game healing you as well. The food is providing fuel to your body, and your body is using that fuel to automatically patch up your body with 100 holes in it.

I may be digging too deep here, more than I should, but hey it's a thought

[visual carbon]

Most people never see that much radiation, or they just die from it

Not everyone becomes a ghoul and not everyone recieves the dose to do so.

[whole drum]

Unless you inhale the mysterious juice from the funny looking doctor man

[warm ermine]

I’m convinced now that cooper had something specific happen to him

[whole drum]

Could have a Hancock situation

[warm ermine]

“Is that what happened to you - radiation?” “Something like that”

[dusk fog]

Ive a question

Why the hell is there a guy excusing the Enclave out of all factions

And what does he mean by he Enclave doesnt pretend to be the good guys, despite them acting like saviors all the time

And in what world is being cremated painless for still alive dogs

[warm ermine]

What

[cobalt parcel]

I bet Cooper made it to Vault 4 to drop his daughter off with his (now ex) wife and was denied entry as he was now divorced. Wife probably had some regrets and tried to have them let him in but they wouldn’t. Would add to his hate for Vault Tec. Would explain him wanting to know where his “family” is (don’t think he would refer to them as that if his ex wife didn’t do something redeemable right before Cooper was locked out of the vaults). He probably also assumes his wife is preserved like the people in Vault 31 have been, whether or not that is true.

[warm ermine]

Well she says she was trying to get them a spot in a vault where “we watch over all the other vaults” so it’s hard to say

Rewatching the show I’m catching so much more

[cobalt parcel]

I would just assume if they were gonna take a whole family they’d stick them in Vault 4, but we didn’t see her name on the list of frozen executives in 31 did we?

[warm ermine]

So the list isn’t full

There’s only 28 names on the screen and we see over 30 activated and blue pods not including the empty ones

Plus we see further lights in the background going on before it pans away

[cobalt parcel]

true

[warm ermine]

We have no idea how huge 31 actually is

[cobalt parcel]

Likely the entire management staff for Vault Tec HQ

[warm ermine]

But if she thinks there’s a vault monitoring others maybe there’s another one for the high execs

So many more questions than answers lol

[cobalt parcel]

Or she IS referring to 31 but even she has no clue what the vault itself entails

[smoky hill]

wasnt there a vault 0 or something that monitors other vaults in one of the non canon games?

[scarlet kernel]

Fallout Tactics?

[cobalt parcel]

pretty sure technically the enclave were supposed to have been monitoring the vaults and collecting the data gathered by the experiments

not sure if there’s any mention of a vault to oversee all other vaults

[warm ermine]

It seems implied someone from enclave is watching over the vault meeting and she gets a message on her pipboy and looks up to them before dropping the “we do the bombs” spiel

[cobalt parcel]

yep

And I think Vault Tec’s whole plan of allowing companies to have their own vaults for whatever experiment just shows they really thought absolutely nobody would succeed in surviving other than them

if they thought any of those companies had a chance lasting as long after the bombs they wouldn’t just be handing out vaults as sales apparently struggled

[warm ermine]

Yeah they just want all in on it so their end works

Remove all competition while also getting their money to fund their own distruction

Fuck two typos

[cobalt parcel]

The whole “we drop the bomb” doesn’t really make sense to me though. Clearly they wouldn’t detonate a nuke right next to their own facilities cause that would sort of sabotage and add risk to making sure all their people get into the vaults quickly, but maybe they’re referring to they drop it on China before the US? idk

and if they DID detonate it on themselves, how are the bombs from China landing so fast, those would’ve had to already been launched

[warm ermine]

I think we know they didn’t (maybe) but at least not first

It’s more the matter of hey we’re willing to do it

[smoky hill]

my theory is that Vault tec was responsible for it coming to a nuclear end but they didnt drop it themselves they just ensured it would to come to that end

altho that theory of the megaton bomb having a vault tec logo does make a whole lot more sense now

[scarlet kernel]

Everyone knows it was aliens

[cobalt parcel]

I wanna see something other than T60 power armor in season 2

[scarlet kernel]

Easy Pete cameo?

[cobalt parcel]

walter white cameo when

Lucy… LUCY… we need to cook Lucy… we need to make the chems

[radiant crystal]

Lucy... if we dont make the jet... goosey fring will kill us... lucyyyy we need to make the chems

[cobalt parcel]

Lucy… why are you… blue?

[radiant crystal]

Lucy... we need to blow up goosey... its the only way

[radiant crystal]

Wonder if well get a courier cameo being we are in nv next season

[smoky hill]

a reference sure but cameo not likely

[whole drum]

Courier 6

[smoky hill]

is that a snack or something?

[upbeat willow]

i wouldve always assumed the fallout show would follow one of the bethesda era protags but instead they just followed all three

the ghoul is the courier, lone wanderer is lucy, and maximus is sole survivor

i do wish i could see what the show ould be like using interplay era games and their fallout vibe

hnestly if i was in the directors seat i wouldve made it a fallout 2 alighned show, absolutley brutal and sometimes downright horrific, with a judge dredd, DOOM type feel of overcoming the odds through ignorance to death, i didnt expect what we got with lucy at all

i didnt think the series could be good if they tried to replicate the stories and depth of the bethesda era, as appose to more cohesive yet simpler interplay era

[livid bramble]

I just want some more enclave

(The enclave is my favorite faction because I adore how comically evil they are)

[upbeat willow]

lol its stranger bc the enclave is the remnants of the government

gotta wonder if your sure it started after the bombs

them being evil

its gotta be the brotherhood to me, this show only makes it better. imo the enclave is worst but i think the enclave coul actually save the world if given the chance and cause a major reset, but the BOS are just perfect. in order to defeat the capatlistic desies of people, in order to protect them, they activley send strike forces and legendary enemies to cripple and set back surface dwellers as much as possible

their all of fallout in one package, satire to the nth degree

i mean the enclave are achieving cold fusion?????? and the bos are doing what? chasing after mini toasters, hunting for radio beacons,

[carmine path]

This was a ride

[little condor]

It is strange that the BoS would arrive in Shady Sands not long after the city went boom, considering what was left of it was on fire in the distance.

[bright badge]

Enclave is pre war

The one in Virginia was planned pre war

[warm ermine]

there were still explosions happening while the one was there

[bright badge]

Didn't the BOS have outposts in a few cities

[shrewd rune]

They had one in Shady Sands during Fallout 2 yeah

But obviously that did not last

[carmine path]

So there's some sort of chem that holds of feralism?

[whole drum]

Believed to be radaway

[little condor]

I thought they had a base in San Francisco, not Shady Sands.

[carmine path]

They had a base somewhat near shady sans idk if it's sti up and running tho

It's father away then I thought but shady sands getting bombed should be visible from it

[vale harbor]

i thought it to be radaway (not necessarily a retcon)

[carmine path]

I mean we see radway in the show sk chould it be a,different type of it

[vale harbor]

maybe he just likes to inhale it ?

[carmine path]

The chem is shown as in a tiny vial as radway was shown in the plastic iv bags

[elfin cliff]

They had three different bunkers in fo2 in different towns

[rare acorn]

The den, the hub and San Fran?

[umbral rapids]

I liked it but Vault-Tec being soully responsible for the setting off of nukes makes no sense

Considering that there were quite a few faults that weren’t completed

[warm ermine]

theyre not responsible, we know that china was the one to nuke first

[umbral rapids]

They said they would make the nukes drop

[warm ermine]

but this shows they were prepared to do it in order to get what they wanted, but also that they were caught off guard by not being first

they said they would do it

they are willing to do it and probably had everything prepped to go, but we know from devs that it was china who went first

[umbral rapids]

also what exactly is the monetary incentive to all the other companies

when 99.9% of your consumers will die

it would be better to perpetually keep people in fear of nuclear war to make money rather to carry one out

[warm ermine]

well they wanna be the ones to control the world when it comes to it

and they knew that others were making very real threats to do it already

and how do you know youll have surviors prepped and ready to go, by setting the stakes and doing it yourself

but they didnt get the chance

plot wise another layer to explain to people how evil vault tec really is

[umbral rapids]

sad we didn’t see the early creation of the enclave

[warm ermine]

its heavily implied enclave is leading that meeting

[umbral rapids]

we don’t know who the person at the top is

[warm ermine]

this guy is sitting above them watching, and then she gets a message on her pipboy and looks up that way

and then she drops the bomb info

[umbral rapids]

would’ve been better for them to explain in detail behind the deal between Vault-Tec and the government for funding the creation of the vaults

maybe it will come in season 2

[warm ermine]

yeah theres just been little teasers to get people asking who the fuck

they did a great job at getting people excited for more

[umbral rapids]

They gotta tease the colony ship

[rare acorn]

Yea and one way they could do that is by tricking china into launching first

[umbral rapids]

China was already pissed by the virus

The Chinese had nothing to retaliate against the virus

[tiny bronze]

President Kimball died in Shady Sands lmaoo

[gray mason]

lmao what

[grave gazelle]

Sorry about posting it into the wrong channel lmao, made a video fitting into the shows timeline into new vegases timeline https://youtu.be/FncfkUInEQs?si=AGF7aKYlnAOLGdGh

[hardy tundra]

Didn't they say that nv is canon in a tweet?

[obtuse temple]

this ruins the entire aesthetic of
America itself went insane, and is destined for a nuclear catastrophe

Todd goes and said "muh big corpo New Order in Davos lmao"

It is him, or the show writers, or even Amazon preasuring to not trigger China

[carmine path]

Vault tec is America and is legit shows pepole going insane and becoming evil and willing to commit tests on pepole if it means they get a good spot in a vault

[obtuse temple]

the show depicts as if Vault Tec is controlling america though?

when hyper-fascist like craze for corporatism was from extended Mccarthyism in America against China

[carmine path]

Because they are just like water barons to the ncr

[little condor]

Though I doubt the Brahmin barons at present would be willing to go that level of batshit. After all, what's the point of being king if ashes are your only subjects?

[visual carbon]

Todd didn't do this.

The enclave starting it has been suggested, but not confirmed, since Fallout 2

[bright badge]

"trigger china" bro what

They refer to communism negatively a fuck ton

[obtuse temple]

yes
but i dislike having it suddenly directly mentioned
Vault-tec person says they'll drop it themselves to make it happen

[obtuse temple]

one speculation lmao
also mentioning Communism is different from mentioning China

[visual carbon]

I think it works tbh

[bright badge]

Hardly, the CCP are still pretty sensitive

[visual carbon]

it shows just how detached and unhinged America had become

how paranoid and reckless etc

And they didn't confirm they did drop them

[bright badge]

House fans tweaking is funny

Because he was explicitly shown being a lying asshole

[visual carbon]

Of course he was a lying arsehole

you don't get to where he was in life without being some kind of arse

[bright badge]

Ye but Musk fans think he was legit

[visual carbon]

I... yeah see what I said

[bright badge]

But House can't be evil. He talks about space!

[cobalt parcel]

Considering he’s done more for humanity than your entire bloodline ever has or ever will I don’t think I really care

[bright badge]

Hows his track record with his kids

Also you indirectly proved my point

So thank you

[smoky hill]

arrived here yesterday and that guy is already insulting people

a true fallout fan!

[bright badge]

Won't last a week so no point caring

[warm ermine]

House can’t be evil he’s a computer

[coral mortar]

Computers have FLAWLESS morals. Just look at John Henry Eden!

[warm ermine]

It’s correct logic

[visual carbon]

My parents made me and I'm a gift to the human race.

Musk doesn't understand trains.

I think my bloodline wins.

[carmine path]

I can't be evil I'm a republican

[coral mortar]

I feel that morals aren’t necessarily logical all the time

[warm ermine]

Shhhh

[bright badge]

Chet has a fucked up life

[carmine path]

The chem looks like some special Chem or it's some super radway that holds off ferlism

[bright badge]

Probably high intensity radaway

Ferals lose the ability to flush rads which is why some become glowing ones

[carmine path]

Because we see radway in the show and it's in the normal iv bag

[warm ermine]

Chet is super normal

In love with his cousin but now shacking up with a vault tec mid level manager and her baby

[bright badge]

He's the most normal vault dweller

[carmine path]

Sounds normal

[warm ermine]

And he recognizes they’re all cowards for being vault dwellers

[bright badge]

Matt Berry as a Mr Handy somehow works

[warm ermine]

Not somehow, it’s perfect

[carmine path]

They gave me one of those robots picture me walking into my house hearing my voice

[warm ermine]

Chet is literally the most normal

[coral mortar]

Chet is so self aware bro

[warm ermine]

What a fucked up fact

[carmine path]

I mean only werid thing about chet is he roplayed as that girls dead husband that one time idk he if still does

[bright badge]

He was in love with his cousin

[carmine path]

Normal vault life

[warm ermine]

I won’t kink shame that

The roleplay bit not the cousin

[smoky hill]

it makes sense for a vault to have some form of incest tbh
disgusting still but makes sense

[warm ermine]

Todd agrees and was surprised they didn’t include it in the games

[bright badge]

They did in 3 kinda

[carmine path]

They dident imply it tho

[warm ermine]

Can’t find the quote but

[smoky hill]

the origin story for vault boy feels really natural to me like it always belonged in fallout

[warm ermine]

It does

[coral mortar]

I was so happy when they gave Vault Boy an origin. I was kickin my feet like a school boy bro

[warm ermine]

When he stepped out of the trailer I was like

[smoky hill]

i didnt even think about it at the time thats how natural it felt to me

[warm ermine]

YOOOOOOOO

[carmine path]

So shady sands got blew up in 2077?

[warm ermine]

No

[coral mortar]

No. We dont know the date concretely

[warm ermine]

The world got blown up in 2077

[carmine path]

Chould have that bombing caused the ncr war?

And the ncr blamed bos

[smoky hill]

no after the event of NV
the fall of shady shands is just when it started to fall which probably took years until it got blown up

[carmine path]

The chalk borad said it fell in 2277

[warm ermine]

Yes

Things fall without being blown up

[smoky hill]

shady sands fell in 2277 as that is when it all started to go down hill for the city

[carmine path]

I know it just has a explosion drawing next to it

I was trying to cook lol

[smoky hill]

with an arrow pointing towards it marking it as 2 seperate events

[warm ermine]

Logically we’d assume the bomb would be with the text if it happened at the same time

[smoky hill]

shady sands started to fall when the first battle of hoover dam occured
as you notice in NV it isnt going well for shady sands at the time

[bright badge]

Ghouls doing more drugs than an addiction build player fr

[carmine path]

They need to take more chems since there resistance to them

[rare acorn]

I like the new ghoul lore where they say their names when they start turning because they're trying to retain their humanity by remembering their name

[lethal rock]

As in the fall began in 2277, they talk about all the issues the NCR is facing in NV during the game. After the first battle of Hoover damn they started having food shortages, political dissent etc, plus being faced with outside antagonists. They needed the win from Hoover damn. Then sometime after 2277 and probably after NV they got nuked. I’d say the long road DLC ended with a nuke on the NCR

And honestly probably the legion too if they haven’t overrun the Mojave yet. So the most probable ending was “the house always wins”

[rare acorn]

The only thing about that is I think the show says that Lucy's Mom died in the vault plague of 2277 but that's when she would have died in shady sands/ghoulified

But that's assuming that's when she actually died, maybe the overseer just said that's when she died but it's actually when she escaped the vault to shady sands and then maybe some years later after Hank found her he nuked shady

[lethal rock]

I just wanna know if I’m the only person who just gets aggravated every time Maximus gets on screen? Dude literally stole a power fusion core screwed a whole vault…but at least in that regard I definetely thought hmm would be nice to see consequences for always jacking those in F4 🤣

[smoky hill]

he gave it back......

it was a whole scene and everything

[lethal rock]

I know he did but as soon as he even looked at it the first time I was thinking bruh….his intelligence should be 1

[rare acorn]

It is

He is always choosing the low int dialogue options

[lethal rock]

Is it? Someone said his character sheet had 4

[rare acorn]

"What happened to your knight?" "He died running" bruh just fucking tell them about the Yao guai

[lethal rock]

And his actions should have him at 1 with idiot savant maybe

Or luck at 10

But Lucy is the max Luck build

[smoky hill]

At the time he thought the vault wis filled with crazy people

Also he has been in the brotherhood a looooong time he got that early indoctrination treatment

[lethal rock]

No one can be sooo goofy they have no concept of consequences of their actions or how technology works. I mean he literally said “but the power armor” is straight barbarian low intel DnD build

I kinda chalked it up to “he represents the low intel newbie player obsessed with the BoS

[smoky hill]

they did rescue him at a young age and gave him a home and purpose and everything
as i said early indoctrination treatment

he's obsessed with the BOS because thats what the BOS wanted him to be and taught him to be

[rich iron]

He's not obssessed with the idea of the BOS. He's obsessed with himself, and his own desires. He jumped ship pretty quickly. He is also pretty much anathema to the BOS, having tried to kill everyone he's ever worked with in the field.

[lethal rock]

But they taught technology and tactics…and it showed he was kinda dumb in the classes too. Dane would have made a better field scribe to knight. And ^^ hints why I say his intelligence should literally be 1

[rare acorn]

Dude didn't even know what masturbation was and barely knew about sex

Despite there being a scene where some dude is yanking it in the Bos barracks

[lethal rock]

But luck 10 because somehow he literally gets good positions? 😆

[rich iron]

Less luck, more the cowardice and idiocy of others. Dane for cutting her foot, Titus for running rather than just punching the Yaoi Gui to death. And stupidity on part of the Elder. What does he even see in Maximus?
He is both treacherous and inept.

[smoky hill]

im starting to think that all the good and badass and smart and though BOS people died in combat and the rest what remains are all just cowards and idiots lol

[rare acorn]

Titus lol

[lethal rock]

I wonder if Todd is angry at how inept the BoS has been portrayed 🤣 but clearly if the organization is still kicking there are plenty of good ones. Idiots in power armor can only get you so far lol

[shrewd rune]

That pilot was pretty competent in dodging that missile

[rich iron]

I hate to say it, and I mean I really hate to say this. I've had time to reflect, rewatch some stuff, and just generally let the stars fade from my eyes. The show peaked at Filly. Everything is pretty much destroyed by the looks at it, and in eight episodes, I'm trying to figure out wtf the show has accomplished from a narrative perspective.

Lucy found her dad, he left.
Maximus has had a sudden change of heart, apparantly.
Cooper has decided to go find his daughter and wife.
Moldaver, the person who led a violent and merciless attack on some hapless, brainless vault dwellers, is apparantly a heroic character (and dead, so thats her story more or less done, I suppose).
The NCR is destroyed at best, reduced to fractured bands at worst.
Vegas is either completely destroyed or absolutely battered.
We've seen neither sign of nations or large tribes, so civilisation may very well be done for in the west.

At best, this feels like an eight hour prologue, rather than a conclusion to part of a story.

Like is there a something I'm missing here, or do I have the gist of it?

[lethal rock]

Coop and Lucy are doing the companion thing. Maximus? Idk. Moldaver? Again seems that story is over. She made her cold fusion infinite power thing and now the BoS has it. NV looked pretty intact if you ask me, like the concept art from the game. But overall yeah I think it was more like a prologue

[rich iron]

The end credits show the strip as having been breached, its barriers down, and the place an utter mess.

[umbral rapids]

China def launched the nukes first

[smoky hill]

could have been freeside as that place sucks ass

[rich iron]

No, we saw the entrance to the Strip, and the tops sign.
It was breached. Torn down might be a better word.

[smoky hill]

that might be a sign of what is to come and not what already is

[rich iron]

All the ending slides show us where we are going next, not what is to come.

Well, they do, but as in location, not as in the future.
Am I making sense?

[smoky hill]

tbh i dont actually watch any of the ending slides i just think they are nice and are just there for aesthetics for credits to show

[rich iron]

Ah. In this show, they had a bit of meaning.

[smoky hill]

alright so rewatched it those slides just for you
because we only see 1 ncr vertibird and some securitrons my theory is that Shady sands fell and the NCR wanted to take New Vegas by force because they really needed it to stay alive and that is what we see the aftermath of a battle

not really in ruins just signs that there was a battle there

[fluid basin]

I mean he is fucked either way, Lucy knew what he did. If she go back to vault, she will tell people what he did and what is on the surface.
What do you mean y sudden change of heart?
I mean you can see Moldaver's attack on vault as revenge and she need Hank's code. As vault 4 overseer said, ignorance is not a excuse.
I mean, it did said first captial so there could be more, I mean how many people will band around a crater of a city if there is a second capital to live in.
Didnt todd said that no ending will be canon, so I am guessing hoover dam was destroyed during Second Battle of Hoover Dam.
I mean it's a small snapshot of the area, it's all mostly in Los Angeles area?

[upbeat willow]

this is what was was playing in my mind like a deep fried meme while this scen happened

what i suspect is that vault tech has vaults in china aswell. it sounds strange but the moe i think abt it, china def got vaults

now thats just head cannon speculation, bu i think there could be a larger tie between vault tech trying to start the war and china deciding to launch their nuke

[bright badge]

Not VT but an equivalent I'm sure

[upbeat willow]

maybe hank is using spare unfired nukes? and we she said this here, she actually meant just speeding up the war for someone else to physically actually drop the bomb, and it was just them provoking countries to do it sota thing

[bright badge]

He probably got someone above him to considering shady sands breaks the monopoly

[fluid basin]

Yeah that is what I thought. I mean he was heading to new vegas instead of going back to the vault.

[upbeat willow]

does new vegas not break the monooly?

ig robert house is safe but that still massively breaks their monopoly, like if vault tech wants to take over the surface new vegas will need to be either destroyed or obsorbed

how have they not nuked a prydwen? the bos getting that formalized seems a bit thretening to the monopoly, these mfers got zeplins n shit

[ember crag]

I'm a little late but the ship is clearly marked as the prydwen in the show , institute no more I guess

[smoky hill]

at the time the airship wasnt there
vault tec or Hank underestimates the power the BOS has

[smoky hill]

it does seem that way yes
altho we always kinda knew that the BOS ending would be canon

sure as hell would never be the railroad

[ember crag]

Yeah that's true

Bos didnt need our help to take the commonwealth

[smoky hill]

the minutemen and the railroad would be nothing without the player
so it really came down to the institute or BOS and since the institute is evil there is only 1 ending left

[carmine path]

They said the ship wasent the prydwen

[upbeat willow]

idk if it matters bc from how they act, this part of the brotherhood seems very different

they are assholes compared to the bos of f4, sure those ones are mean but their just a bunch of lapers with as much nobility as you can get in the wasteland

[smoky hill]

it has the name prydwen on the side in the show tho

[smoky hill]

well, that is indeed the west coast BOS
well they seem like more of a cult but still

[upbeat willow]

so where maxxon at then? if its the prydwen, if the prydwen is here, then elder maxxon is also no?

and wait, does the brotherhood not even worry abt possibly hosting synth stowaways

[smoky hill]

doesnt have to be
its a loong way away from the east coast and Maxson has a BOS nation to lead now
probably sent the prydwen to aid in the west coast BOS's effort but he isnt on there

or he could be on there since we dont actually see whats ON the airship

[carmine path]

Maxon is elder he has other things to focus on

[smoky hill]

and in the game Maxson doesnt leave the ship unless he has to defend the base or its the final mission

[smoky hill]

the BOS said that they have orders from the high clerics of the commonwealth so presumably the east coast BOS is VERY well esthablished and maxson now has a nation to run

[quartz pendant]

Why is new Vegas in ruins tho? I really hoped they retconned some of NV. The strip being perfect for that long doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

[carmine path]

He has dc and boston

[smoky hill]

thats what NV always looks like

[little condor]

Yeah, wasn't Vegas lit up pretty well under similar lighting conditions back in NV?

[smoky hill]

the strip is the only thing thats nice
freeside looks like shit

[carmine path]

Because the place was allwas a shithole outside of the stirp

[smoky hill]

if he is smart he has New York now as well or atleast a good safe road connecting the 2 areas for trade to flow and people to travel

[quartz pendant]

Even the strip is destroyed

[carmine path]

Maybe something happened after the events of nv

[smoky hill]

that to me looks more like a battlefield and not completely in ruins

House probably won and the NCR did not just accept that and left well enough alone

[carmine path]

From the vertibirds etc in the background looks like a big battle broke out in the stirp

[quartz pendant]

They could just say the courier’s story isn’t canon and not announce what is and isn’t canon via twitter

[smoky hill]

there's 1 vertibird and 3 securitrons that we see

and 1 deathclaw

not really a big battle

[quartz pendant]

I want a pet deathclaw

[carmine path]

Why can't nv cannomly happen and then a big war brake out

[smoky hill]

the deathclaw is dead

[quartz pendant]

That doesn’t change what I want lol

[smoky hill]

whatever the outcome in NV it was never going to return to peacefull paradise

[little condor]

Wouldn't the NCR have more pertinent matters than beefing with the dude who would still give them their precious water and electricity, just for a fee? Like, say, the fact that their former capital just went up in nuclear fire?

[smoky hill]

the NCR wont let the dam and the city go and house will not be peacefully removed

[carmine path]

Ncr is bitter and won't do it because they want it for free

Ncr is becoming what destoryed the world

[smoky hill]

they lost shady sands so probably they throught that they needed it for free since they cant really afford a whole lot anymore

[little condor]

True, especially if the government somehow got it into their heads that House did it or something, pants-on-head stupid as that idea would be.

[fluid basin]

I mean, shady sands was taking water away from vault.

[carmine path]

Dosent the show hint the enclave is somewhat alive

[smoky hill]

well, they certainly wont suspect Vault tec for it so they gotta blame someone

and knowing House he probably tried to capatilze on the situation and that went less then ideal

[sharp trail]

the show bludgeons you over the head with it. wilzig is enclave

[smoky hill]

enclave research base yes
burning puppies and raising good boys

[rare acorn]

Do you think vault 33 needing a water chip will be a season 2 plot point or do you think it was just a funny reference in that episode

[little condor]

House? Bruh, the last thing he'd do would be to antagonize the NCR in any way by trying to capitalize on the disaster; dude needed the NCR for his long-term goals, after all, and Hank's little temper tantrum put all that in jeopardy. If anything, he'd pull out all the stops to help them out; easy way to get brownie points.

[carmine path]

It's not brought up agian

They mention water issues a few times but it's not a main plot issue

[smoky hill]

vault 33 got 2 months worth of water left
and vault 32 probably has their own waterchip they'll be fine

[bright badge]

Ye they have boxes full

[little condor]

Could it have been one of those manufactured crises used to get another one of Bud's Buds into the Overseer chair?

[bright badge]

Think it was just a reference

[rare acorn]

That's what happens every time

They got that saying like "when in trouble vote 31" or something

[sharp trail]

yep, thats the point

[rare acorn]

It's just a way for them to bring one of the prewar people into circulation

[carmine path]

I like the triple vault idea

[rare acorn]

It's awesome idea

And makes sense like why isn't there more tri vaults because those would be the best for actually helping rebuild post war

[sharp trail]

it's a crisis like the "weevil famine" was a crisis

[rare acorn]

Less chances of inbreeding and instability because you have 3 vaults that can share with eachother

[carmine path]

And bunch of buds buds

[smoky hill]

my qeustion is
what about steph? she is 31 yet she was not overseer at all and doest seem that important unless she arrived after the whole 32 mess happens then i can see why she is in 33 but other then that i dont see why she is in 33 at all

[rare acorn]

Ya like it doesn't even really matter that the overseers are from v31 if they aren't doin evil shit to the dwellers

[carmine path]

She chould be there to help the breeding pool

[rare acorn]

It was just that one guy went psycho cuz his wife left him

[smoky hill]

why not wait till norm is older and then have her breed with norm
atleast that way you have more of 31 genes for the kid

[cobalt parcel]

that wasn’t an insult, just a fact

[sharp trail]

vault 31 is just an extended employee training program

brain robot is training a bunch of managers

[bright badge]

You did prove my point tbf

[carmine path]

I think the mini robobrain is that ceo dude in the flash back

[bright badge]

The roomba?

[carmine path]

Yeah

Roombabrain

[bright badge]

Ye it's bud iirc

[sharp trail]

yes

[carmine path]

Bud isent getting any rewards for his naming

[cobalt parcel]

How are people so uncertain of these things as if it’s some mystery that the show doesn’t explicitly state and show as fact pretty obviously

[carmine path]

Bud's Bud's

[cobalt parcel]

“I think cooper might be the ghoul” oh really who would’ve guessed

[rare acorn]

Who said that

[bright badge]

You're not gonna last a week if you keep acting like a cunt

[cobalt parcel]

saw it in an episode 1 comment

[rare acorn]

Lmao

[cobalt parcel]

I was just like holy shit

[bright badge]

Aura was just affirming a detail, don't bust their balls about it

[sharp trail]

what if maximus is the kid in the fridge??

[smoky hill]

i think Lucy is a vault dweller
not sure tho might have to rewatch the show

[cobalt parcel]

I think the vault was made by vault tec

[cobalt parcel]

are you gonna cry about it?

[carmine path]

The ghoul kid?

[cobalt parcel]

he’s being sarcastic

[carmine path]

[carmine path]

I know and I was making a joke

[smoky hill]

BILLY!

[cobalt parcel]

I think the ghoul kid is actually lucy

I like how somehow cherry tomatoes are a crop that is just completely unchanged 200 years after nuclear war

[sharp trail]

Tatos or whatever they're called didn't get brought over from fo4

[cobalt parcel]

yep

[carmine path]

I'd offer you a cherry tomato but you got a bullet hole thourgh your neck

[sharp trail]

Who wants to predict what the main story thread of S2 will be

[carmine path]

Tatos but potato's allso survived

[carmine path]

Max goes after Lucy's dad for destroying his home

[sharp trail]

I think it will be the question of what to do with the cold fusion. Elder & max will take over the brohood on the west coast & they will conflict over it

[carmine path]

The ghoul goes to vault 31 to where his wife and kid is likley held

[cobalt parcel]

I wanted him to shove the tomato in the bullet hole so fucking bad🤣🤣🤣

[sharp trail]

Like hoover dam conflict. Max wants to use the energy to help people and the elder wants to use it to power a space death laser or something

I think the kid is gone. She was on his horse when the bombs dropped. That's probably why his character is so jaded

[carmine path]

Max will have a struggle conflict in himself between the brotherhoods ideals and his own

[cobalt parcel]

that was just his entire arc in season 1

I’m sure it continues but, I’d like to see him figure something else out

[sharp trail]

Not really it was more like a struggle between his lust for authority and brohood hierarchy in s1

[carmine path]

^^^

[sharp trail]

It didn't get much into his ideals

[cobalt parcel]

wanting power and control over oneself isn’t an ideal?

[sharp trail]

I think the most was when he was in front of the shady sands crater and he teared up a bit

[cobalt parcel]

sad wittle squire

[sharp trail]

Not really more like a personality quirk

Its not a conviction

[cobalt parcel]

Hello it is I, Knight Tight Ass, I am scared of bears

[carmine path]

He has to pick between becoming a true knight or becoming a outcast and fighting for what he truly believes is right

[sharp trail]

that was dumb.

Let me out of the chopper I want to kill something. Ok sir no questions asked

[cobalt parcel]

I like how he went from “put us down I want to shoot something” to “OH SHIT SHIT SHIT FUCK SHIT” in about five minutes

yep 🤣

[bright badge]

Doesn't use his AR, falls over, dies

[little condor]

Wonder if the Brotherhood would be interested in chasing down Hank as well, even though I doubt Maximus would know where he'd be going off to even if he did decide to tell the BoS about Hank. As jerkbagish as the Brotherhood are, they don't strike me as the kinda dudes who'd just let a dude with access to nuclear warheads run free, considering they severly frown upon misuse of such techy-tech.

[cobalt parcel]

I half thought the bear was gonna pull out some russian judo moves

[rare acorn]

I thought that was the best game reference in the show

[carmine path]

Squire help me allso Squire you're a little bitch we are gonna kill you after you help me

[cobalt parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/russia-bear-fight-punch-boxing-gif-16044488

[bright badge]

A single radroach decimates their forces

[rare acorn]

Dude felt like a player

[rare acorn]

Lmao dude was so dumb, should've said nothing

[bright badge]

Insults the dude who your life's reliant on. Dies due to this

They knighting anyone fr

[cobalt parcel]

I thought it just showed really well how the rank of knight is 100% just used to convey authority and the usual knights really just avoid combat to keep their position

[bright badge]

It retroactively makes Danse look like less of a blockhead

[sharp trail]

i think it was just to get max into power armor

[bright badge]

Idk the BOS have serious attitude problems

[cobalt parcel]

I feel like that whole scene was definitely meant to convey the downfalls of military governance and the BOS specifically

[sharp trail]

and also to set up a bit of tension with the bos... which later turned out to be pointless cause he was forgiven not once but twice

[cobalt parcel]

you get twats into a position of power and actual missions get compromised

[bright badge]

Cause he kinda failed upwards

[cobalt parcel]

so true^

[bright badge]

he's probably accidentally done more than any other knight

[cobalt parcel]

his lesbian friend saved his ass time and time again

[bright badge]

Max is basically the LW/Courier/SS type promotion

Cause the BOS hand them out to anyone who doesn't immediately die doing something

[cobalt parcel]

makes you wonder how tight ass became a knight

[sharp trail]

the BOS cares about acquiring technology over helping people. that alone is enough to demonstrate that they're a morally grey faction at best (and it's something explored in fo1, fo2, fo3). Making their knights look like a joke only makes the faction look like a joke and reduces their gravity

[cobalt parcel]

right but this a tv show targeting not only people who have played the games

they need to make generic examples of different factions morality

clearly we already know that as players and don’t need reminding

[carmine path]

I mean the show emplies they wiped out filly to make it a base

[sharp trail]

OK how's this. We saw Shady Sands get nuked and the BOS arrived to comb the remains and abduct children

[cobalt parcel]

seemed like a lot of the citizens were standing around still

[sharp trail]

What if we had a scene showing how they treat the civilian population left over from the NCR collapse

Martial law etc.

That communicates the message more effectively than "the knights are actually clowns"

[cobalt parcel]

we do, they showed up and murdered them for an artifact

the whole end of the show is exactly how the BOS treats people

[little condor]

Perhaps the NCR blamed the BoS for Shady Sands getting nuked at the time?

[sharp trail]

Yeah in the last episode and also those weren't civilians really

[cobalt parcel]

um

[carmine path]

Those were bos members

[cobalt parcel]

the unarmed people in the corn fields that got mowed down weren’t civilians as far as combat is concerned?

idk about that one chief

[carmine path]

Everyone seem in filly on the last esp is bos

[cobalt parcel]

gotcha

I think now we are talking about the assault on the monastery

[sharp trail]

yes, I was talking about observatory

[cobalt parcel]

you definitely see the BOS just absolutely dog fuck a bunch of unarmed non-combatants

[sharp trail]

But anyway the point is that making the titus into an abusive clown detracted from the BOS characterization

[cobalt parcel]

eh

every group with power has assholes

think it just showed the BOS isn’t perfect with their ideals

[cobalt parcel]

no rephrase this, not every member of the BOS falls in line with their ideals and standards perfectly, even those with some rank

[carmine path]

Everyone wants to save the world they just can't agree on how

[sharp trail]

I just didn't like the scene because it didn't make sense to me. Why are they allowed to drop in the middle of nowhere when it's such an important and critical mission? Why does this supposedly combat experienced knight become totally useless at the first encounter?

[cobalt parcel]

because irradiated chinese bear very scary

[carmine path]

A simple pliot has no power the knight has more power

[cobalt parcel]

and maybe titus was frightened knowing his brand new squire would be piss useless in combat

[rare acorn]

The bear isn't Chinese lol

[carmine path]

Just chinese named

[sharp trail]

What if, like, they were shot down by moldaver's troops and titus died in the crash

[ember crag]

did u ask the bear

[sharp trail]

then max had to scramble to get in the armor and fly away to survive

it would have accomplished the same thing and it makes more sense

[cobalt parcel]

👍🏼

them fuckin communist bears

[carmine path]

How whould have he died and get the body out of the power armor

[small linden]

Just to make sure I’m understanding everything right. Vault 31 housed a bunch of the original vault tech employees for them to be brought back later and rebuild earth?

[ember crag]

[carmine path]

Pretty much

[small linden]

So moldaver is literally the good guy lmfao

[cobalt parcel]

specifically management level people extremely loyal to vault tec’s mission but yes

[little condor]

Middle-management, the higher-ups are still a mystery as to where they got stashed.

[ember crag]

I saw someone say the blonde girl from 31 might be evil

[sharp trail]

yeah it seems like that's going to be explored further on. bud's buds was just a pet project of 1 employee not the main mission. Probably the ghoul's wife will be the main antagonist later

[carmine path]

Lucy's father almost killed her mother killed 1000s of pepole just to protect vault tec misson

[ember crag]

ofc she is

[rare acorn]

Doubt it, she has a cult around her and is from the prewar just like hank

[shrewd rune]

She does give off bad vibes

[cobalt parcel]

I think a funny scene would be Maximus getting knighted and then thrown into some dogshit piece of T45 armor that’s just a complete rust bucket

[ember crag]

no one from 31 is good

[carmine path]

She's aginast vault tec and all the evils of the gorvment

[cobalt parcel]

Stephany is 100% worse vibes than Betty

[shrewd rune]

Me when I join the BoS and they put me in T-45A 💀

[rare acorn]

That would be cool, I hope we see t51b too

[cobalt parcel]

fr

[rare acorn]

Maybe the NV bos branch is still alive in hidden valley and we'll see their white t51b

[cobalt parcel]

I hope we just see literally anything other than every single bos knight in the same style T60’s

[rare acorn]

Or silver off white more like

Ya that would be gross

Need some variation,

[shrewd rune]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/8c/FO4_T-45_Power_Armor.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20200509201322

Me on my way to fight some NCR

[carmine path]

West coast bos maybe

[rare acorn]

NCR should have salvaged t45 or something in s2

Wonder if they'll have the ranger monument in s2

[cobalt parcel]

I wanna see some squires running around with just power armor helmets on

[ember crag]

i want some laser weapons

was there a single one?

[cobalt parcel]

idek

don’t think so

[small linden]

I mean I feel like her being against vault tec makes her the good guy just because they’re the villains in the games too

[rare acorn]

Yea but she was also vault tec I'm pretty sure

[ember crag]

at least everyone had a junk jet

[carmine path]

Don't think they shown one being fired

[cobalt parcel]

she wasn’t

[shrewd rune]

Enclave had them at beginning and Madover had one but none are fired

[rare acorn]

Or maybe not actually I don't remember

[carmine path]

Atleast we saw the junk jet used once

[ember crag]

true , they looked pretty accurate

[cobalt parcel]

I didn’t even pick up on the junk jet

when was that used

[rare acorn]

Funny how they used it as a silent weapon

[ember crag]

wonder where the enclave are holed up , it looks like a large facility

[carmine path]

When ghoul boy was released

[cobalt parcel]

the local costco

[rare acorn]

Also it's above ground which is unusual

[ember crag]

and in ma june shop

[ember crag]

fr

[cobalt parcel]

anybody think oh cool spare robot limbs and then the dude just has his leg put into a grinder?

I meant to reply to the shop comment

[carmine path]

Wounder what will happen to that guy who got turned into a ghoul

[rare acorn]

Ya that leg grinder was brutal

[ember crag]

it might be , like grout said it being above ground is weird it means they likely took over a random building

[rare acorn]

Tbf Navarro was above ground and it only got found after the chosen one blew up the oil rig

[ember crag]

enclave are chumps

lucy will have them packed up in a day

[cobalt parcel]

I wish we would see some more of the enclave and vault tec tie ins

seeing as the entire point of the vaults was to provide the enclave with data and the ability to leave the planet

[rare acorn]

It's like a town inside of a warehouse because there's urban buildings but then a greenhouse looking roof above the buildings

[ember crag]

the enclave guy knew all about lucy and her vault

[cobalt parcel]

well yeah, because they’re collecting data from every vault

[ember crag]

not suprising but still

[rare acorn]

The scientist looks shocked when he sees the super mutant on the stretcher roll by, wonder if that's cuz the enclave wasn't making super mutants for awhile and then suddenly started it up again

[carmine path]

Last mutant they had was frank maybe they were trying to make another frank horrgian?

[ember crag]

that'd be dope

[rare acorn]

Maybe they're building a super mutant army, maybe that's why they're testing behavioural engineering on the dogs and the scientist even looks at the super mutant on the stretcher then the dogs all being controlled by the cybernetic augments

[ember crag]

Hank Forrigan

[cobalt parcel]

super mutants + super dogs would definitely be a good army

[carmine path]

Then having a royal mutant army as storng as frank they'd be unstoppable

[ember crag]

army to match who

just take over or something else

[sharp trail]

they probably reemerged after NCR fell

[ember crag]

make fallout 5 we finally see what other countries are up to

[rare acorn]

That could be a season 2 plot point maybe, enclave return or maybe it'll be the end of season 2 after they deal with NV and Hank

[cobalt parcel]

as a means of protecting their mission I would assume

[rare acorn]

Setting up season 3 for the enclave return en masse

[sharp trail]

when in doubt just think abt what they did in fo3 and fo4

cause thats what they've done so far

[carmine path]

There's allso the sub plot of vault 33-31

[ember crag]

also the elder cleric wanting to usurp power

[sharp trail]

hank returns and establishes a regime of terror

[rare acorn]

Wonder what's inside this big hatch

Says 2076

[ember crag]

season 2 oliver swanick runs new vegas

[rare acorn]

Be cool if they showed the husk of nipton

[sharp trail]

remind me what is the context

[rare acorn]

Episode 2 when the enclave guy is protecting the dog by hiding it in a secret room

[sharp trail]

okay I'll pull it up

[ember crag]

what are u saying with the pic tho

[regal carbon]

tbh if the cleric takes power i would want to see maxson kick his ass

[rare acorn]

Just wonder what's in it

[ember crag]

o

[regal carbon]

maybe a furnace in case they get raided and need to clear out documents

[cobalt parcel]

date of construction

[sharp trail]

I don't think it's anything important. it's in what seems to be a repurposed utility room

[rare acorn]

Maybe a reference to 76 cuz that's when it was finished

[ember crag]

how many dogs they burned

poor pups

[rare acorn]

Is it just me or does Wilzig kind of sound like confessor Cromwell

The guy preaching in megaton fo3

[ember crag]

i hear it

[small linden]

There’s defo gonna be a 2nd season right? There’s so many loose ends.

[rare acorn]

I just noticed the vertibird in ep2 has a mininuke decoration thing dangling from the ceiling

Oh shit I never realized they made use of the hooks on the shoulders too when lowering the PA, that's a cool way to make them make sense

[small linden]

Also was the city at the very end supposed to be NV?

[ember crag]

Yeah

Nah its Primm

Bison Steve supremacy

[regal carbon]

that was new vegas

tho i dont think primm is that small place we see

[rare acorn]

Huh who would've known the line "and all ten fingers, nice" would have been a foretell of a future episode

Also it's interesting how they show the vault dwellers being treated in the show versus the games, in the show everyone hates em and treats em like dirt, in the game whenever you're first starting out it seems like everyone loves you cuz you're a vault dweller

[ember crag]

I troll

[carmine path]

I forgot Lucy got a,finger cut off

[rare acorn]

I hope ma June comes back in s2 lol

[upbeat willow]

i head cannnoned it as the fact this is after fallout 1, 2, 3 and 4, meaning vault dwellers have become notorious for more or less playing god with the surface dwellers lives. the old woman in the shop calls vualt dwellers niave not because their weak, but because they think they have all the answers, pair this with wilzig handing off his head, wilzig was willing to give lucy the head after meeting her, despite being the one to tell her she needs to be more like a surface dweller, he trust lucy from the gate. telling her she has the power to affect great change, and it was in refrence to her head, but he also mentioned the fact shes a vault dweller

[upper forge]

Hmm there was a lot of vaults shown in Texas….

Maybe next game hint

[upbeat willow]

i think surface dwellers have this myth, or understanding, that a vault dweller is a wild card, you dont know if they will be shot by a scoundrel over scraps, or literally rule the wasteland within a week.

[sharp trail]

I didn't get her reaction. you'd think that her only exposure to vault dwellers would be the ones from vault city

[upbeat willow]

i always figured next game might be in LA, the show might act as a trailer.

[sharp trail]

and they're the opposite of naive

but from a show perspective it makes sense because it's just a throwaway line meant to humble the protag

[upbeat willow]

ive always assumed legend of the sole survivor, lone wanderer, vualt dweller and chosen one would have spread

the wasteland generally knows vault dwellers for being the heroic types

[bright badge]

They'd primarily know the Vault Dweller and Chosen one in California

Although the Vault Dweller is more a myth

[warm ermine]

oh dang I didnt even realize bud told coop all about 31 before they went in the building

like coop, I also zoned out during his talking

[sharp trail]

yeah it made norm's reveal seem pretty redundant

[warm ermine]

I literally didnt even pay attention to him and I think thats kind of the point of his character haha

[bright badge]

Coops thinking this guys fucking nuts

[warm ermine]

he is kind of nuts but in a place of power

"the fuck he talking about centuries"

[carmine path]

Bud got zero rewards on his project name

[warm ermine]

oh my god the guy who owned the chickens was the guy who did the ghouls prosthetics

[carmine path]

So the show tells us ghouls do need to eat and drink

Ghoul lore is wack

[upbeat willow]

wasnt it always that ghouls sorta needed to eat once and a while

i mean, they arent zombies, i suppose they could generally sustain themselves off of a sorta radiation photosythesis even still, ghouls prob need sustinence in some way

[sharp trail]

yes.

[small linden]

Alright so I’m gonna rawdog this question. I have heard whispers of the idea that the show “de-canonizes” the events of Fallout: New Vegas by Obsidian Entertainment. Or, at the very least, messes with these events.

My question is:

1. How does the Fallout TV Show on Amazon Prime Video conflict with previously-established lore, if at all? (Whether that be lore surrounding New Vegas or the other games.)

I could also put this question in the general spoilers channel but, yeah.

[sharp trail]

apart from little details which may or may not contradict lore (didn't care to pay attention) the main thing that has been mentioned is the timeline for the fall of shady sands, which apparently began in 2277 and resulted in it getting nuked at an unknown date

[small linden]

To my understanding, this “fall” is about 4 years before New Vegas takes place, correct?

[sharp trail]

yeah, and because the fall is never mentioned in FNV people consider it an inconsistency

[small linden]

And people have a problem with the idea that the NCR would be in such disarray.

[sharp trail]

IMO it is ambiguous enough to be explained away as a cultist myth or whatever if the writers so choose

[sharp trail]

in FNV the NCR is shown to have teething problems with their territorial and bureaucratic expansion, especially brushing up against another big empire in Nevada

[small linden]

Well, I saw some people get mad about how the NCR was obliterated in episode 8.

[sharp trail]

But they're not shown to be in a state of collapse and nothing is mentioned about shady sands that indicates it has "fallen"

[small linden]

Interesting

[carmine path]

B.b but we cam help them fix things in nv

[small linden]

So some dates and events don’t line up. Apparently there are some other little things that also don’t make sense.

[sharp trail]

I actually really dislike the direction they took wrt the NCR and I don't like how they made some of its survivors into cultists who worship a random woman as the flame mother

[whole drum]

Profligates.

[sharp trail]

like these were the educated citizens of an industrialized republic

[carmine path]

That's what drama does

[sharp trail]

they are not superstitious tribals

[small linden]

Yeah that was weird

Guess the show sucks now that I know it throws out the established lore 🤷🏻‍♂️

[whole drum]

[sharp trail]

OK the NCR could collapse. But wouldn't it realistically fracture into little city states controlled by Brahmin Barons, the different trade caravan companies, etc.

No apparently not

[whole drum]

It's perfectly fine if they have to rearrange lore to fit the tone of the TV show

[sharp trail]

Sure it's fine if you think the tone of the TV show is fine

[whole drum]

As long as they don't just completely rewrite everything from scratch

[sharp trail]

But if you think it makes for a less compelling story than what otherwise could have been, it becomes not fine

[whole drum]

Name a way that would've been better

Give insight into this than just saying it could've been better

[sharp trail]

and I really liked what FNV did with the lore

Sure. Instead of a bunch of flashback sequences showing evil baddies prewar, use the existing factions already fleshed out in FNV and in earlier games as frames to explore core fallout themes. Have the three characters explore different environments controlled by these factions

[whole drum]

Would that work for the shows pacing and core plot though

[sharp trail]

'might makes right' morality and slavery could be shown through the legion and corruption, heavyhanded tax extraction, colonization and displacement could be shown through the NCR

Well I think the core plot is bad, so no

But the point is I think they had a good foundation there that they didn't need to change

unless you want to add in the marketable thematic elements like vault tec, enclave, bos and you need to make them all major players again

[whole drum]

Then if the core plot sucks, how would the core plot be to make that fit into your version

You have to include all 3 characters because they were advertised

[sharp trail]

I mean, it would just be a different show

You put the cart before the horse when you said it's okay for them to rearrange lore for the tone of the show. I am saying they could have changed the tone of the show and left the worldbuilding intact.

[whole drum]

The characters were established before the show released, so that was set in stone, not necessarily the plot

So you MUST create a story with all 3

[sharp trail]

I didn't follow the show much before it was released, I don't know what was revealed about the characters

But it's a bit of a weird discussion

[whole drum]

Well they were revealed, not so much the story. So if they had to be more accurate they had to include all 3 somehow.

Otherwise the show simply wouldn't exist

They also have to be given a goal, in your version. What's the goal

[sharp trail]

So the main issue I have with the plot is that it kind of sabotages the main theme of Fallout - the main tagline "war never changes". It's about the new world struggling to rebuild itself after a nuclear war and failing due to old world conceits

That made sense in the games: the international conflict, nuclear war, etc. were all the result of a struggle for resources, a struggle for survival, and the struggle by some to survive at the expense of others

That is theme is exactly reproduced in new vegas

[small linden]

Isn’t this what Old World Blues is about

[sharp trail]

But when the show reveals that shady sands was nuked because of some evil vault tec guys pettiness, and that the nuclear war itself was potentially caused by a secret cabal, where does that theme go?

rather where does it factor in?

[carmine path]

Dangers of capitalism?

[sharp trail]

I don't think that it does. It feels like everything could be rosy if you could just get rid of the bad guys who want to ruin it for everyone, and that just misses the mark for me

[sharp trail]

not necessarily, right. resources are scarce and you gotta get them to survive

At least that's what I think fallout was trying to say by equivocating China & USA. Of course you could come up with a story where the need for infinite growth leads to ecological collapse or war or whatever but I don't think that's what the message was in fallout.

[bright badge]

Not doing so accelerates feralisation

They can exist of radiation but it's probably less comfortable than just eating anf drinking

Generally it helps them retain their humanity, like how socialisation does

[smoky hill]

generally you dont realy notice something is "falling" until its to late
in NV people already talked about the state of Shady Sands and the NCR in general those cultists simply marked the first battle for hooverdam as the start of the fall

[worn crescent]

If mr house is born in 2020 then why do we see him as a young to middle aged man in episode 8?

[smoky hill]

money, money solves that problem

[carmine path]

I mean 50s is middle aged

[worn crescent]

Lol imagine he was balding

[carmine path]

He has money He will fix it

[smoky hill]

plenty of people that are not balding
he'll just take their hair instead

[ember crag]

He's him

[zealous gazelle]

||So Is the Brotherhood of steel ending in fallout 4 canon? I ask because I forget if there are any other endings where the prydwen doesn't blow up. also dont mind the spoiler, just being careful.||

I always kept thinking abt big boss from MGS every time I saw her eyepatch tbh.