EPISODE 8

[small linden]

shit made inception feel like tylenol pm

[hexed cosmos]

Dude a streetcar is your desire

[small linden]

btw does this mean the tv show is ultimate canon or we should still defer to the games

[little condor]

Would the Brotherhood be interested in joining the Hank hunt in S2, albeit on their own side for rather obvious reasons?

[small linden]

i love public transport so much u dont get it

[hexed cosmos]

I don't and I don't think I ever will

[small linden]

i full soyjak faced when i saw the 2 seconds of screentime of that tram

[hardy tundra]

This show made me want to play nv for the 8th time

[small linden]

is it just me or nv looked rly diff in the end credits

no outskirts no freeside just the whole thing walled in
and no lights its all dead

in nv im p sure its outer blocks and only the inner part of the city is walled off

[hardy tundra]

My question is when is the show set ?

[hardy tundra]

Thanks

[little condor]

Yeah, that's gonna need splainin'. Are we sure some Vault-Tec wagie didn't get butthurt like Hank and decided to blow up Hoover Dam or something?

[hardy tundra]

That would be funny

It was weird to see all the sunset suparila advertisment but now it makes sense

[sturdy bone]

I think the legion did it as a fuck you before they retreated/fully collapsed

[regal crow]

Seeing House at that meeting was awesome

along with the others of the major executives

Hulligen notably absent :p

[hexed cosmos]

Where's Bradberton

Okay I know why he wasn't but if he was it would be funny in a Crowd of execs of the most cutting edge tech monopolies in the franchise he'd be there like " I make soder"

This is how we get Vault 10 canonized

[little condor]

Or something like "What about a vault where all the residents have to drink Nuka-Cola products only?"

[analog mist]

Probably already in his vault

[hexed cosmos]

That's what Vault 10 was in the fan series Nuka Break

[slate turtle]

Can someone explain how it's beneficial to Vault-tec in dropping the bombs?
Vault-tec cared about money and Share price, both of which would be non existent if the bomb dropped

[hexed cosmos]

They directly profit off the war and without it they loose all their power and money

[slate turtle]

War is beneficial, Global Annhialation is not

[bright badge]

They want complete autonomy over humanity

[little condor]

Not if what emerges afterwards is some kind of corporate neo-feudalism under Vault-Tec.

[bright badge]

They can rebuild the world in their image

[slate turtle]

So they were planning Centuries into the future?

[quartz pendant]

Release of something in November?

[bright badge]

The vault Hanks in is designed to make loyal vault tec employees, so yes

[quartz pendant]

Uh, are you sure? 32 seems like an experiment

[bright badge]

All the overseers for lucys vault are unfrozen vault tec employees

The employees then steer the population into vault tec allegiance

[slate turtle]

A little unrealistic tbh. In real world corporations always prefer short term profits over long term.

[bright badge]

It's cyberpunk influenced writing

[little condor]

Though not the execs, those fellas seem to be MIA at present until this mystery control Vault is located.

[quartz pendant]

They all knew the world was going to end lol

[bright badge]

^

It was an inevitability due to the resource wars

[slate turtle]

Not really. In the meeting we see the concern brought up of Profits falling as there are peace talks

[bright badge]

Tf you mean not really, they knew

House is literally there and he predicted it

China would've found out about FEV like they did anyway and freak out

[slate turtle]

If the world was ending, its coz they wanted it.
Vault tec took away cold fusion, somthing that would solve everything
Plans to bomb themselves.

[little condor]

Heck, combine cold fusion with those vending machines at the Madre, and you'd be quite close to some form of post-scarcity.

[bright badge]

It wouldn't, the series concept is the perpetuity of war

If not resources, it'd be something else

[slate turtle]

I am still pretty sure Vault-tec didnt drop the bomb.
The bombing was a bit abrupt.
Vault tec wasn't ready

[quartz pendant]

Vault Tec literally pushes both sides to drop the bombs

[quartz pendant]

They wanted it to happen, but not as soon as it did.

[bright badge]

We never actually see any high ranking execs reactions to it iirc

[slate turtle]

Atleast Vault tec didnt initate it.
They might have added to the global destruction

[quartz pendant]

They pressured both sides using clandestine tactics

[slate turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c2qtwu/vaulttec_likely_didnt_actually_do_it_show_spoilers/

This explains it well

Nonetheless, an amazing Show. Loved every second of it.
xcept when the doctor and Dogmeat escaped every bullet from the machine gun in Episode 2

[little condor]

Though considering Hank was able to banhammer Shady Sands with a nuke, that implies Vault-Tec at least has their own nuclear arsenal. Maybe Hank was able to only access one silo, considering he didn't bathe all of New California's major cities in nuclear hellfire.

[normal crater]

probably the only one that still works

[quartz pendant]

Just so you know I am a masters student for nuclear strategy and military history.

The likely event was that vault tec continued to pressure both sides, but some outlier happened that caused the bombs to drop sooner than Vault Tec had hoped. That exact reason has never been explained, and frankly I hope it never does. It doesn’t need to be. The end result is the same, and i believe there would never be a reasoning that everyone is happy with because the reality is that no one really wants nuclear war. Even the most hardcore.

Hell, even Kissinger who spent the majority of his early career advocating for nuclear weapons and their use conventionally changed his position and spent the second half advocating against them after realizing the reality of what even a limited nuclear war would do

[sturdy bone]

Call that number if it's the one from the show

[quartz pendant]

I have but if you text it, it says the next appointment is in 33 weeks. Hoping it’s a hint to an announcement or something

[daring pilot]

USA Vs China TDM

because why not?

[empty idol]

tbh i think there a way to save fallout tv either they use fallout new vegas ending because there alot of new vegas ending so everything is cannon just put aside that sandy sands got nuked on 1st battle of hooverdam and maybe thats the reason why they wanted to take strip for a capital city

[short dagger]

The show doesn't need to be "saved"

[sturdy bone]

Dude, shady sands wasn't bombed in 77

[empty idol]

well aside from that

[sturdy bone]

That literally destroys your entire point about needing to save it

[bright badge]

The shows fine

It actually manages to capture the vibe and tone well

[sturdy bone]

There was no retcon.

[bright badge]

People know this, they're acting in bad faith

Or they're simply idiots who can't comprehend arrows

It's why the only debate is one sided rants

[sturdy bone]

I'm trying to come up with creative ways to tell people their media literacy skills are lackin but it's so hard without being a total dick lmao

I never thought i'd have to explain how a flow chart works to people in my life

[bright badge]

Need to be direct

Even if it's an insult

These people will not stop unless you make sure no one engages their rambling

[empty idol]

anyway aside from that what happen in vegas stay in vegas

[small linden]

the interpretation of this seems to be at the core of most of the review controversies ive watched on youtube so far

i dont think it was oversight i feel like theyve left that vague on purpose to give them more freedom to do different things in the show

but i guess well see already cant wait for season 2 :''')

[sturdy bone]

They left it vauge for NV fanboys to block out the sun with their collective hate boners for todd howard and perpetually keep the show as a topic of discussion in the community until S2 is out.

They're solving climate change, bless them.

[small linden]

even without controversy im sure ppl would be talking about it for a good while theres so much to unpack

theres all of these fact and easter egg videos i dont even want to touch yet cos im pacing myself

[little condor]

Just wait, we'll have whole video essays coming out before long.

[small linden]

they find some funny reasons to be angry tho - ' his wife is black ! ! ! woke !!!! ' is my favourite one so far , like a black woman existing is enough to make guys mald for minutes on end , sad and scary but also rly funny

its like the thumb that got angry at starfield for pronouns

[small linden]

theres already tons of content out

im usually late to media im glad i got to watch it all and it released recently

probably ill be good to rewatch it and watch youtube essays and rants on it until s2 comes

[finite flax]

God Mr house is so hot

[small linden]

Whazzat

[warm ermine]

its the vault tec number given on the show

[small linden]

Oh shit, time to text

[sturdy bone]

call it

have it right up to your ear full volume

[quartz pendant]

better yet, on speakerphone in a public place

[sturdy bone]

also max volume

[small linden]

Something tells me that’s something I shouldn’t do.

[sturdy bone]

We wouldn't betray you, we're all wastlanders and a family here

[small linden]

My ears are screaming.

[blissful notch]

she fall on my shady till I sands

🗣️ 🔥 ‼️

[lethal rock]

If you genuinely thought an organization like the enclave was just at Navarro I’d say no way in hell. They are meant to be a contingency plan and all of the groups after the bomb drop. No way in hell would they not have multiple bases across the US and probably Cuba too. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had bases in Canada or Mexico as well.

And I’m assuming Hank took off to Vegas to link up with House?

[hard ibex]

That’s a strong theory. I mean the Lucky 38 was standing strong in the credits…

[shrewd jay]

i just hope they don't make house some mustache twirling villain, but i'm not gonna get my hopes up

[sturdy bone]

lmao sorry

[glass hill]

Man when I saw New Vegas I about jumped out of my chair

My god…

And yeah, the Lucky 38 is still standing…

Interesting

[alpine carbon]

to be fair mr house surived the war and only come out to rebuild vegas so the possible of him surving again isnt out of the line

[glass hill]

Idk how new Vegas could continue without House

Like the only reason it exists after the bombs is because of house

[alpine carbon]

yea

the only reason why the ncr wanted it was cause of powering electricty and water supply

[glass hill]

I’ve never played all of the way through new Vegas, but there is a Mr House ending, right? I heard it’s really bad, but why exactly?

[shrewd jay]

it isn't really bad. people just don't like house because he's very blunt and rude

[alpine carbon]

its not bad tbh its really indenpence from both factions

its only bad for the factions who want it

[shrewd jay]

but i like house the most because he's incredibly smart and resourceful. i feel like he's really the only one who has the capability to get humanity in that sector truly back on their feet

[alpine carbon]

yea either way idk why people freaked about the ncr if they still won they were gonna struggle with faimine

[hexed cosmos]

And yet he cant be bothered to fix the slums right outside his city

[shrewd jay]

he's not exactly nice, which is why i said people don't like him. to him they aren't worth the resources when he can put those into better venues

[glass hill]

From the clips I’ve seen of Mr House, I agree. He’s very intelligent and one of the very few people who have common sense in fallout lol. He’s just an unapologetic capitalist

[hexed cosmos]

I dont trust this man running a government at all. He's all talk

[shrewd jay]

you should definitely play it all the way through! such a fantastic game

[hexed cosmos]

That being said Im gonna start a House Playthrough now

[alpine carbon]

Im thinking that if the show gets a season 2 we might get an ending for NV might be house ending or yes man im assuming

[shrewd jay]

he's not though. you see how the strip has been maintained this entire time and the fact that he saved it at all from the bombs is a testament to his capability

[little condor]

Though House at least seemed to not be all that enthused about Vault-Tec's whole plan, and certainly would not be onboard with Hank's little nuclear temper tantrum.

[glass hill]

Like he’s just living the good life while everyone else is fighting each other like cavemen.

[hexed cosmos]

So again he literally only cares for the societal elite who can run his own pockets. Like the 1% of the population. This guy is gonna run the whole Mojave?

[glass hill]

Now that’s something I can’t see Mr House doing

[hexed cosmos]

He also slaughters people out of pettiness

[shrewd jay]

who though?

[hexed cosmos]

The Kings and Primm if they sided with the NCR

[glass hill]

I don’t think house has any interest in anything outside of new Vegas.

[little condor]

I mean, the guy's leagues better than goddamn Vault-Tec, though that's so low a bar to clear a zygote could clear it without issue.

[hexed cosmos]

He's completely "you're either with me or against me"

[shrewd jay]

he just wants whatever will help the caps flow so he can build the future

[hexed cosmos]

Ironic since he said he's above such petty squabbles and then does this

yeah good luck making rockets with absolutely no industry

Im sure you'll make them out of casino chips

[glass hill]

I think Mr house is very resourceful. He may not have rockets, but he has the caps

[shrewd jay]

yeah i wasn't happy about what happened to the kings of course, but from his point of view he is trying to get rid of all sources that have a chance to screw him over. that's why he has you ||blow up the BoS||

[hexed cosmos]

I thought it was because they're silly

or at least thats the first reason he gives

[shrewd jay]

yes and he's incredibly intelligent. he knows how to build this stuff

[little condor]

And in retrospect, House was ||100% on the damn money about the Brotherhood.||

[hexed cosmos]

Is he gonna magically get the steel and fuel?

[shrewd jay]

the way he talks shit about the BoS is HILARIOUS and one of my favorite things about NV. even if he has a negative opinion about them he wouldn't have asked you to do that unless he truly perceived them as a threat. with him it's all about the bottom line. if you are a threat you are eliminated

[shrewd jay]

i've always felt that way about them, for the most part. it was very nice to see a smart character in the FO universe just call them out for what they are. some chapters can be pretty chill, but for the most part i think what he said is completely right

[glass hill]

I kinda wish the actor they got in Episode 8 had his original accent

[shrewd jay]

no, but that's what the caps are for

[shrewd jay]

me too. always loved his stupid smug VA

[glass hill]

His accent is iconic

Btw who were the other people in the roundtable? I didn’t know anyone except Mr house

[shrewd jay]

anyway, yeah i'm a house simp, but i'm not pretending he's some super great nice guy. he's a capitalist jerk. a very smart, capable capitalist jerk. that's what makes me believe in his vision

[shrewd jay]

i have to go back and look at the names. i saw big MT and repcon i think?

[glass hill]

I think I’m there with you. I think I’d be following the guy who made the most sense even if he was a dick

[glass hill]

Yeah who is this big mt character?

The vast majority of my time spent in fallout is in fallout 76

[little condor]

Frederick Sinclair from the Dead Money DLC of Fallout: New Vegas.

[shrewd jay]

oh thank you. i've played all the games several times, but my memory isn't always the best

[glass hill]

As I understand, the tv show actor looks nothing like him in the game? Is that true?

[shrewd jay]

i don't think we ever saw sinclair in game, but i definitely didn't imagine him looking like that

[little condor]

Eh, I chalk that up to the mosiac taking about fifty different liberties. Kinda hard to sell folks on the Madre if its poster boy is a fat old dude.

[glass hill]

Big mt is that big tall cowboy dude, right?

[glass hill]

What corp did he control again?

[little condor]

Big MT, though I assumed before the show that he simply contracted them for the Madre.

[glass hill]

I assumed Big MT was his nickname

He’s a pretty big dude lol

Shit, I need to watch some lore videos

[shrewd jay]

Correct

[shrewd jay]

If you have the time just play NV. It's so good!

[glass hill]

The last time I played New Vegas, the furthest I got to was the NCR statue monument

The two big statues

Very early in the game lol

[shrewd jay]

Haha yeah. I love how Cas talks shit about it. She was fun

[little condor]

Would be cool to see that statue again in S2, even if it's a bit more rundown than in NV.

[glass hill]

Isn’t it a monument to the Hoover dam battle?

[little condor]

Nah, it was a statue about the Ranger Unification Treaty, if memory serves.

[glass hill]

Was it? I don’t remember. I think I might just go redownload new Vegas asap

[shrewd jay]

There's a really nice mod setup guide if you like that sorta thing. Just some qol and stability stuff

[glass hill]

Unfortunately I play on Xbox

No mod support for new Vegas

[shrewd jay]

Oooo okies!

[little condor]

Yeah, I'd recommend a NV playthrough so you can more easily understand anything from that game that gets brought up in the show next season.

[glass hill]

My biggest frustration with the game was that there was no sprint mechanic

[little condor]

Otherwise you're gonna be confused if, say, Veronica shows up or something, or it turns out Hank's ultimate goal is the Divide's nuclear arsenal.

[glass hill]

I didn’t even really understand what they said about Hank

Ex-vaulttec, he was frozen and used as an overseer?

Did I get that right

[little condor]

Dude was an executive secretary for Vault-Tec, if memory serves.

[glass hill]

Same with the villain woman?

Or something lol

[little condor]

Jury's still out on Moldaver.

[glass hill]

Well she’s not a ghoul, is she? Lol

Idk why she seemingly didn’t age unless somehow she also got frozen

[sour plover]

We needed another episode or two to explain some stuff…especially Lee Moldaver and how she survived. Now that she’s dead, I doubt they’ll even bother with it in season 2

[shrewd jay]

the annoying vault tech management guy in the flashbacks named bud had a program to basically freeze people in the vault and then put them into management positions, which is why betty and hank were the overseer. as for moldova, there was no explanation why she was in the future. she was the one researching cold fusion, so perhaps she found a way to freeze herself. it's pure speculation

[glass hill]

Also was Coop outed as a “communist” as well? There’s definitely a lot of stuff missing

[sour plover]

That seems to be everyone’s question

Re: Lee

And why coop was left out of the vault

[shrewd jay]

i'm sure they will at least get into more info on coop. who knows about moldova

[sour plover]

We can thank game of thrones for This 8 episodes recipe…

I hate it.

[glass hill]

Quality over quantity

You can’t make the same show with a budget stretching for 20+ episodes lol

[shrewd jay]

i'm just happy i didn't have to wait a week for each episode. my memory isn't the best, so i like to just marathon things

[sour plover]

10 would’ve been fine

[rare acorn]

Maybe it's his dad or something

[glass hill]

Was Coop’s wife in the birthday scene?

I don’t think she was, was she?

[shrewd jay]

no she was not and those dudes were mocking coop talking about alimony

[glass hill]

Yeah that line definitely feels like coop was found out

Maybe his wife helped him avoid a lengthy prison sentence?

Idk

[rare acorn]

What, he divorced his wife because he found out she's evil

[shrewd jay]

mere speculation at this point. i gotta say walter goggins killed it in the scene where he was listening in

[shrewd jay]

maybe. you can still care about someone and threaten them. perhaps she threatened him but didn't want to completely screw him over for the sake of their daughter. or maybe other people at vault tek found out he knows what he shouldn't. it's all just guesswork now

[glass hill]

Well that too

[rare acorn]

What does that have to do with him paying alimony?

[shrewd jay]

either they were just talking shit or maybe she financially ruined him\

[glass hill]

I don’t see how Coop just gets divorced without something happening to him. He’s gotta tell his wife what he learned. I just don’t know how that plays out

[rare acorn]

Wish they told us what year these scenes took place because there mustve been quite a few months of events or years prewar when he divorced his wife

[glass hill]

Side note: for new viewers, I wish the first scene had something that told the new people what year the nukes were dropped.

Like maybe a blank screen with 2077 on it right before the scene starts

[rare acorn]

Yea something like that

[glass hill]

Like for all they know, it’s 1960 with advanced technology lol

[rare acorn]

That's what my mom thought,

[glass hill]

Exactly

[rare acorn]

I had to explain that yes it looks basically like 1950s but it's 2077

[sturdy bone]

1950's with no transistors

[glass hill]

I’m not at all much of a technology nerd but what exactly are vacuum tubes?

Because isn’t that what was basically used instead of transistors?

[rare acorn]

Somehow it makes a radio work so maybe

[whole drum]

Something really cool i liked about the show, is how they actually showed the terminal hacking. Love how they literally copy and pasted the video game design into the show

[small linden]

my guess is that NV was warred over and now it's in ruins besides the lucky 38, where Mr. House resides and has barricaded himself in. He's too big of an iconic character to be killed off. I'm assuming the House Always Wins will be the canon ending, but somethings happens years after NV.

[glass hill]

Holy shit yes lol

Also the video game logic behind stimpacks

Great fan service

[whole drum]

well actually i think stimpaks are explained in lore

[little condor]

Though Norm certainly maxed out his hacking skill if he was able to pull it off on the first attempt.

[whole drum]

they arent just video game logic i dont think

I think they genuinely are very strong at restorative properties due to science or something

[small linden]

i also predict in s2, the courier will be referenced as fan service to NV

[rare acorn]

Maybe

[small linden]

most likely referenced by Mr house

[rare acorn]

Maybe the NV ending was courier keeps House alive but goes with independent Vegas and that's why it's so screwed up on the end slides

[whole drum]

and yeah

dude didnt even fail one attempt. Dude got it first try.

he did NOT need to compare words there.

[glass hill]

That’s still video game logic lol. There’s nothing in the real world that can instantly heal stab wounds lol. Lore explanation just makes it sound not completely absurd lol

[small linden]

Yes man ending? i always assumed my courier (i like roleplaying opportunistic evil) becomes a tyrant and takes it over. killing anyone who disagrees with me. but that'd be a cool storyline too

[whole drum]

idk nanobots or something

[rare acorn]

The independent ending says Yesman goes into sleep mode for weeks while he upgrades to be more assertive so maybe during that time the people of NV just straight up took the place over and removed Yesman before he could finish upgrading

Or something, NV looked like a Hell hole in the credits

[small linden]

either way, i never saw NV as something that would stay standing, given it's attraction and the money it brings in. NV looked like it was ransacked

[whole drum]

by who and what, thats the question

[glass hill]

It’s like plasma guns. Just put in a plasma core and shoot. No need to explain much past that because it just works in video games lol

[small linden]

idk depends on the canon ending of that game. Mr house seemed to side with Vault Tec in the end, so i doubt it was vault tec

[whole drum]

Because it had robots to defend itself. a lot of them, and if not that, then it had an army, and if not that, it had one badass courier.

[small linden]

and lucy's father undoubtedly is going there for Mr house's help

[rare acorn]

The casino gangs just trying to fill the power vacuum after the courier kills off Legion and NCR in the Mojave

Wonder if we'll see the NV bos branch

Be really cool to see hidden valley on tv

[whole drum]

they better play Johnny Guitar in S2

itd be a crime not to

[rare acorn]

Bruh big iron will be the s2 opener no doubt

[glass hill]

I’ve always wondered where tf the robco bots were in other places in the fallout universe

[whole drum]

Johnny Guitar and Big Iron better be playing in S2. otherwise instant rating drop

[glass hill]

Not putting the Ghoul’s gun in Fallout 76 was a big mistake

[rare acorn]

Maybe we'll follow an ex Desert ranger in NV walking the land while big iron plays

[small linden]

so if Mr house is still on good terms with vault tec, im guessing with Yes man ending, Robots vs Brotherhood destroyed Vegas and made it not worth claiming anymore. or NCR control, and brotherhood fought them, just like at Helios

[rare acorn]

Should do Lucy's outfit and Titus/maximus scratched PA

[glass hill]

Why not all of that too lol

[rare acorn]

Ya

[glass hill]

I’ve always wondered why the dev team for fallout 76 feels so understaffed

[whole drum]

that reminds me, titus was a fucking idiot

[small linden]

understaffed? haven't they been releasing expansions for that game, latest one is detroit

[little condor]

Doubt House would be even the slightest bit on board with Vault-Tec considering one of their employees severely damaged his meal ticket.

[whole drum]

why the fuck would you call the person that holds your life in their hands, useless?

[glass hill]

Detroit? You mean Atlantic City? Lol

[small linden]

idk, i haven't played it since i 100%ed the base game

[small linden]

what do you mean meal ticket

[glass hill]

The newest expansion has just been a new expedition which are basically repeatable missions that you grind 50+ times to get stamps to buy new plans

Not exactly quality content

[small linden]

does it have the environmental storytelling of the base game?

like notes, terminals, holotapes?

[glass hill]

Story is basically nonexistent. They aren’t like side quests lol

[little condor]

Simple. House needs the NCR around, or more specifically their tourists and gamblers coming to Vegas, in order to achieve those long-term goals of his and keep the city running. NCR takes a nuke to the face, well now that'd dramatically pose a threat to House's goals. And as we all know, House does not take kindly to such things.

[small linden]

yeah but it does have notes and the typical environmental storytelling of the past games

[glass hill]

They’re comparable to dungeons in other MMOs. You talk to a few people and do X, Y, and Z and rinse and repeat

[glass hill]

Yeah there’s some of that

[small linden]

forgot about that. with the NCR in shambles, that leaves house with only his robots to defend NV

[little condor]

House'd presumably sooner sic Securitrons on Hank than work with him unless he saw fit to do so in order to reveal why exactly Hank's barging into his city, then kill him and either co-opt or dispose of it.

[small linden]

where did vault tec even launch the nuke from to destroy shady sands? did i miss that or did they not reveal it

[glass hill]

That’s my question lol

[regal carbon]

my guess hopeville

closest known nuclear silos

[glass hill]

Is Hank heading to new Vegas because House is the last living member of the pact they made in the finale or something?

Idek

[upper forge]

What if yesman went rogue?

[glass hill]

I doubt yesman could run New Vegas lol

[little condor]

If so, how would Hank know House was still alive if he was cooped up in 33 beyond however long it took to reacquire Lucy from Shady Sands?

[upper forge]

Yeah and that’s why it’s ruined

[glass hill]

Like from what we see, New Vegas looks as good as ever?

[small linden]

its look like what it looks like in the artwork in the strategy guide for the game

[little condor]

Unless the Vegas thing is a Hail Mary on his part, and he has no plan beyond either contacting House if he's alive or scouring the Mojave for anything useful to whatever his next plan is.

[glass hill]

Yeah lol. I don’t think it has been damaged much at all?

[small linden]

ransacked and fucked, but im guessing in this case it actually is

who knows honestly

[little condor]

Though even if Vegas itself is a wreck, that doesn't inherently mean the other Mojave settlements are. Goodsprings could be just fine considering it's out of the way.

[glass hill]

Hank’s escape felt so weird. It’s like he had a plan but didn’t think about it until the very end? Lol?

[small linden]

vault tec bombed Shady sands, NCR knows of Mr house's allegiance (because of that lady who dies at the end), and attacks Vegas, is that viable?

[glass hill]

Is Vegas a wreck though?

[small linden]

assuming the NCR didn't take it over and it became bustling and as a result ransacked too

i think it'd be pretty ridiculous if Vault tec actually nuked multiple towns/cities

i hope it's just shady sands. i think anymore is too overkill for any story

[little condor]

Yeah, maybe that nuke was the one VT originally intended to kickstart the Great War, assuming China jumped the gun and unexpectedly launched before VT and by extension House were ready.

And Hank just repurposed it for his little temper tantrum, hypothetically speaking.

[glass hill]

Off topic: but is it just me or did they like completely avoid saying China throughout? Like they reference them by saying “communist” or “reds”, but the only time we see anything Chinese is that satellite in Episode 2

[small linden]

yeah they did

[glass hill]

lol gee I wonder why

[small linden]

gotta play the games to get it uncensored

honestly i think they're going with it that vault tec dropped a bomb first. it makes sense given how evil they are anyway

[glass hill]

That is true

[glass hill]

I don’t think there should’ve ever been a concrete answer tbh

[small linden]

i agree

somethings are better left up to interpretation

[glass hill]

I guess it is still kind of up in the air though? Fallout 4 only has one source for the answer to the question and the tv show shows VaultTec’s intentions but they don’t go past that?

[small linden]

could be that they were lying at the time

[little condor]

Yeah, it kinda messes with the overall theme if it's just 'oh, some corpos got angy and launched first'. Though it would admittedly have some parallels to when Hank did the exact same thing to Shady Sands, except Hank's excuse is 'wahh, society rebuilt without Vault-Tec and also my wife took my daughter and is roommates with a surfie!' instead of 'waah, muh profits' before the War.

[small linden]

to get everyone on board

but same people who experiment on people in the worst ways possible

[glass hill]

I don’t even really think they believed in what they were saying. Like it was super illogical lol and house absolutely wouldn’t follow up with it

[little condor]

Though maybe he played along just to be more prepared for the bombs dropping? He never exactly said 'Go Team Nuke Da World!', after all.

And it would be in character for him to have BS'd Vault-Tec, the other corpos, and even the Enclave, just so he'd be in an advantageous position.

[small linden]

yeah he seemed neutral and calm compared to the others

[glass hill]

Like resetting the world through genocide? That seriously just sounds like bad writing to me lmfao. VaultTec is undeniably evil but they have a sense of logic in what they do

Just severely twisted logic

[little condor]

If that was Vault-Tec's plan, then the Enclave's whole plan in 2 would've achieved the same thing.

[glass hill]

Oh definitely. House is the world’s best bullshitter lol

[orchid stone]

Was house and Sinclair involved in the bombs dropping?

[little condor]

House was in the room when Coop's psycho wife brought up firing first, but he never definitively signed off on following VT's lead.

[glass hill]

Speaking of the Enclave, what was even the storyline with them in this season lol. One scientist discovers cold fusion, runs and somehow everyone knows exactly what it was? Am I missing something?

And wtf is this massive facility they have? Isn’t the enclave like on their stomach crawling and 2 minutes away from completely dying by this time in the storyline?

[little condor]

Yeah, that felt weird. Wilzig bolts, and suddenly half the dang continent knows about it?

[livid bramble]

Wowowow just finished the finale

[glass hill]

It’s also an open air facility? Lol?

[little condor]

And also that he stole something from the Enclave? Shouldn't the Enclave have simply sicced a black ops team or something after him?

Instead of hiring bounty hunters, aka the humans who the Enclave hate with a passion for being mutants?

[glass hill]

At the fucking minimum, I would think they would’ve had better security than one turret? Lmao. And since when do enclave scientists get out of top secret facilities?

[livid bramble]

Kyle Maclachlin in power armor reminded me of Matthew Lillard Spring Bonnie from the Fnaf movie

[little condor]

And how was Wilzig able to bolt from the base after the alarm was raised. Shouldn't the security there be very suspicious of a scientist walking a dog away from where they're supposed to be during an emergency?

[glass hill]

No lock down procedures I guess? Lol

Makes zero sense

[little condor]

Wouldn't be the first time the Enclave fumbled basic security procedures, just look at Fallout 2.

[livid bramble]

Question: is the liquid that the ghouls need to drink to not go feral RadAway?

[glass hill]

I think so?

Lucy was given the same liquid

Which was radaway

Maybe I’m wrong though because the ghoul needs these specific vials?

[livid bramble]

At the beginning of the show, we saw an iv pouch of it over The Ghoul’s grave.

[glass hill]

Yeah I was thinking about that too

But again, it doesn’t add up because the ghoul looks for the vials specifically. I expect radaway is much more common

[small linden]

Personally, I would have written it so that the NCR did collapse, and Shady Sands being destroyed fast forwarded it. But I wouldn't have had Vault Tec let alone Hank bomb it for the reasons that he did. I would have written so that perhaps there was a civil war (that turned violent because the citizens dont approve of the NCR spending all these resources to win territory), and the biggest leaders got assassinated or something

[glass hill]

Didn’t Hank nuke shady sands just because his wife was living there? I don’t remember exactly

[small linden]

yes but then he also said it was because they becoming sustainable (NCR, shady sands) were a threat to vault tec (a competitor) so the likely nuked it more because of that

[livid bramble]

If I had a nickel for every society that got completely back up and running, only to get nuked, I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.
(The Divide and Shady Sands)

[small linden]

i just think NCR destroying itself from within sounds cooler rather than vault tec being the big bad guy that did it

[glass hill]

Each settlement gets raided or destroyed eventually, except for new Vegas, I guess?

[livid bramble]

The credits of ep8 beg to differ (but I guess I’m not sure if the credits are canon)

[little condor]

Yeah, what Hank did was a rather high-risk gamble. If the NCR didn't poop the proverbial bed, he'd have inadvertently united them bigly around finding who the heck just lobbed a nuke at them.

[glass hill]

Again, this is something I don’t understand either lol. VaultTec is still functioning? Lol?

Or is Hank one of those mfers who wake up and think the world still works the same it did 200 years ago lol

[little condor]

Their middle-management at least, along with maybe their control Vault if that isn't Vault Zero and thus got wrecked by the BoS during Tactics.

[livid bramble]

Who was the big M-T guy at the vault tek board meeting? Were they one of the dudes in the Think Tank in OWB?

[small linden]

they werent too clear on that. as far as im aware, in the show, the only "vault tec" they've shown were those 3 interconnected vaults

and the tiny robobrain was that guy on the board, so he is technically the one in charge?

[little condor]

And if Vault-Tec really was still around and affecting things on a larger scale beyond Hank's temper tantrums, you'd think they'd have dealt with the NCR sooner than Hank did.

[glass hill]

They haven’t shown any other corporate remains either

Except the enclave if you count them

[small linden]

before the show, i always thought Vault-tec weren't too smart if they died with everyone else, but something tells me that vault is the only remnant of them they're going to reveal

[whole drum]

my dad questioned how he even dodged every bullet

i gave him the explanation of, hes a scientist, maybe he knew it was inaccurate as hell...because he sure was not in a hurry to run and dodge the bullets, he was walking at a brisk pace.

[small linden]

i forgot the enclave was even in the show

[glass hill]

It’s a reference to how shit the turrets are in the games lol. That’s 100% the reason lol

[whole drum]

they literally get like 8 minutes of screentime

and then never seen or heard from again

[glass hill]

Fallout show does like their game references

[little condor]

Yeah, you'd think they'd have joined this post-apocalyptic Wacky Races for the cold fusion doodad, or at least tried to yoink it at Griffith while the NCR and BoS were distracted fighting each other.

[small linden]

idk. in s2, at this point id rather have NV's factions get spotlight over the enclave, but i highly doubt any are left standing. any caesar's legion remnants have probably integrated with raider factions. unless one of the higher ranked ones have taken over a raider faction and have organized them. that'd be a pretty cool storyline if they at least want to keep the legion's memory going

[livid bramble]

I have always thought that it’s been weird that Vault Tek set up all the social experiments and proceeded to completely disappear from the face of the earth, so there’s no way of actually getting the results.

[glass hill]

Nuking Shady Sands is like something the enclave would do and have the resources for. VaultTec is only known for their dehumanizing experiments. I don’t get why VaultTec is the big bad all of the sudden?

[small linden]

yeah, that thought has come up several times in several games whenever im reading a terminal in a vault

[livid bramble]

I just want to see live action enclave power armor 🥺

[little condor]

Speaking of, I do wonder if Cooper's ever been to the Mojave before. Seems like that region would make for excellent bounty hunting territory.

[small linden]

i feel like we'll definitely something that pays homage to fallout 2 intro, given how menacing they've made the BoS look like

[glass hill]

This discussion has me thinking about a lot of problems the show has

[small linden]

guy's over 200 years old, probably

hank sure got to NV pretty fast

[livid bramble]

I think it only was a sort of impulse move by Hank, as he felt betrayed by his wife and wasn’t thinking straight, not some malicious move by VaultTek as a whole.

[glass hill]

I wonder if the enclave still has functioning satellites

[little condor]

Enclave vs. BoS would be a good even fight; at long last, the BoS would face an enemy they can't just throw power armor and Vertibirds at.

[glass hill]

That actually sounds like a really good explanation

[odd marsh]

Vault Tec didn't nuke SS, Hank did

[glass hill]

That’s also good to point out. I didn’t consider that

[small linden]

theyll probably find a way to write that. just like Mr. House being alive and being on screen (literally), these are big name events that'll garner views

[glass hill]

Did Hank venture outside of 31 after being frozen or was that just Rose?

[little condor]

He left 33 to go and retrieve Lucy from Shady Sands, if that counts.

[glass hill]

Okay so yeah he did go out. I think this is a plot hole lol

Pip boys have radiation detectors

No one ever radiation checked Hank?

[small linden]

can write it off saying he used a shit ton of radaway and rad x

[glass hill]

I guess? I also noticed a plothole in episode 2.

[odd marsh]

...and even if they did, what's the point? Like, nobody ever said that Hank leaving the vault was a secret. Lucy just didn't remember ever being in SS because she was too young.

[glass hill]

Maximus was fighting the ghoul and throwing him around but he never tried shooting that weak spot he knew about lol?

[orchid stone]

Is hank going in search of house you guys think?

[glass hill]

The weak spot pointed out in the finale

[small linden]

yeah... im gonna pretend that didnt happen

[glass hill]

[small linden]

that is obviously a blatant plothole

[glass hill]

💯

[small linden]

Yes. I think that 200%

[orchid stone]

Wonder if that means house winning is canon

[small linden]

whether NV will be littered with the corpses of NCR soldiers and dead robots, or bustling with prostitutes and junkies, idk

[glass hill]

It very well could be

[orchid stone]

Looked dead

[small linden]

concept art of NV makes it look about the same. if it was night time, that would be a better indication

[glass hill]

I have no idea why he would otherwise want to go to new Vegas

[small linden]

no lights = dead

[orchid stone]

Gamble lol.

If new vegas is dead than NV fans will prolly be mad

[glass hill]

New Vegas isn’t dead though

I mean just judging from the last scene anyway

[small linden]

NV is my favorite game of all time. i wouldnt be angry. i expected it to be a prime target always for those who were big enough to challenge house's army

[little condor]

True, it's admittedly hard to tell what the city's condition is like.

[hexed cosmos]

He does it for the thrill of the game

[glass hill]

Well it definitely isn’t a crater like sandy shores so I guess it did survive NV. Walls are still standing, the lucky 38 looks in tact

[glass hill]

That was definitely not what was going on in that scene. He unloaded the rest of his ammo and didn’t do anything to it lol. Despite knowing its weakness. Obvious plothole

[livid bramble]

Something I liked about the show is that it didn’t really outright confirm any single possible ending in the games. I hope they do the same with new Vegas and season 2, but I’m not sure how they will

[glass hill]

I’m pretty sure at least the everyone dies ending is ruled out lol

[small linden]

i really hope it isn't the yes man ending. none of the characters from the previous games should make an appearance in the show. that'd really kill the immersion for me

[glass hill]

But I DO think house did win

[little condor]

Though hopefully Hank isn't stupid enough to try and bust into, say, Big MT.

[glass hill]

Bro doesn’t have full stats though. He’s missing the helmet piece

[little condor]

And he's also rather obvious with the power armor; if Lucy and Cooper were to ask around about a middle-aged dude in BoS power armor minus the helmet, just about anyone would be able to point them in the right direction.

[glass hill]

I didn’t think of that somehow lol

I do wonder if the brotherhood somehow got more of a presence in the Mojave

I think that’s more or less a given though from what we saw in season 1

They definitely have a large foothold in the west

[small linden]

if NV isn't in ruin, I'd like it if Mr. House is in control of the NCR outfit, at least the ones in and around the immediate vicinity of NV. That's one way of keeping the "NCR" alive

[little condor]

Wonder who'd be in charge in the Mojave chapter by then assuming Hidden Valley didn't shit the bed; McNamara certainly would be chickenshit enough to meekly obey the Brotherhood's current course.

[glass hill]

I noticed one thing in the show that I haven’t seen people talking about. We know know of the location of every vault. Including some in Canada

[little condor]

And Hardin? Yeah, that dude wouldn't need convincing to toe the current BoS party line.

[glass hill]

The US invaded Canada in the lore, right?

Like full on annexed them

[orchid stone]

Can't wait till we see a deathclaw

[livid bramble]

Yep

[glass hill]

Fuuuuck that’s something we definitely need

[small linden]

if the yao guai can wreck a knight, a deathclaw would be equivalent to a giant in skyrim

[glass hill]

I wonder how they would do a death claw in live action canon though

[orchid stone]

Same. We did see a skull at the end

[livid bramble]

It would be cool if it was a stalker type enemy that followed the group throughout the season until a big fight in the finale

[glass hill]

I don’t think anything short of a special massive weapon would kill it. I feel like it would even take out BOS knights

Because live action tends to be more grounded

[livid bramble]

Like how they eventually killed Nemesis in Resident Evil 3

[small linden]

I expect we'll see cazadores, and someone making a reference to the nuclear winter line

[glass hill]

Yeah lol. When I imagine a deathclaw against a guy in power armor, I imagine the deathclaw just instantly tearing it apart in one swoosh

I wouldn’t be surprised if they made it bulletproof from regular weapons

[livid bramble]

What if the plot of season 2 is that our main group has to transport a deathclaw egg throughout the wasteland to a shady buyer, but the mother is trying to get the egg back. The twist could be that our group doesn’t know what they have is a deathclaw egg and have to struggle with the morality of giving this much power to the shady buyer.

Just spitballing here tho

[glass hill]

Could be a subplot but they’re definitely focusing on what Hank is doing

[livid bramble]

Tru

[small linden]

what if they know it's a deathclaw egg and make a deathclaw omelette out of it

if NV is alive and well, i hope there's a diner that sells them, as a reference to fo2

[livid bramble]

The concept of controlling and taming a baby deathclaw and how powerful the tamer would then be seems like an interesting concept that I don’t think already exists in the series.

[glass hill]

That sounds more like a cutaway in a dark comedy

Still a funny concept though lol

[small linden]

i really hope they're able to license the songs used in NV though. if they use fo3/4/76 songs, it wouldnt feel right

[slender maple]

So... I think Mr house ending is canon

The destruction of new vegas was inevitable
Ulysess warned that

[glass hill]

What other ending could it be. I think Hank going to new Vegas is because of Mr House but how many endings does Mr house live lol

[slender maple]

So the state of new vegas was Nothing to do with yes man, house, NCR or legión

[glass hill]

Isn’t there only one lol

[little condor]

And heck, wouldn't House hate Hank's guts for destroying or at least crippling the NCR?

Guy needed the NCR for his long-term plans, after all.

[blazing perch]

Bro the ending is insane

[slender maple]

I dont think he would care at least it mess with his plans

[blazing perch]

I'm honestly proud of Bethesda for not completely ignoring the existence of New Vegas.

[slender maple]

If you kill president kimball and you answer Him "he want me to pay taxes" he only responds "understandable"

Do you guys realize we could see COURIER SIX?

Not much time passed since new vegas to fallout TV show

[glass hill]

I agree. Mr House would more than likely hang him on his arrival imo lmao

He wouldn’t just hate him, he would despise him

[little condor]

Though maybe he'd play along just long enough to find out why Hank's in Vegas, then kill him.

[slender maple]

It wont surprise me if he sends his Best allie
Courier six

[little condor]

Eh, including player characters on the show would be rather dicey.

[slender maple]

Oh I wanna see a meet up between Raúl and howard

[slender maple]

At least a mention

When lucy and max where talking and she said "can you tell me what happend those years" I was dead hoping reference to pasts games

[little condor]

I mean, Maximus was way too young to have noticed what went on in NV, and all that BoS indoctrination probably didn't help matters.

[slender maple]

And then...
"oh well, shady sands got fuck up!"

[orchid stone]

So was that the prydwen?

[glass hill]

Even Mr House recognized the importance of the NCR even if he didn’t like them. He knows that taking out competitors and factions would just lead to a power vacuum he couldn’t entirely control and would eventually create more new competitors. He keeps people at an arm’s length until he knows how to destroy them

[slender maple]

HOW IN HELL THEY DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE MASTER OR THE EVENTS OF F2?

[little condor]

If it is the Prydwen, then hopefully someone has the balls in S2 to do what the Sole Survivor failed to do and send that dang airship crashing down to Earth.

[smoky hill]

loved the last episode, did not like the reason why shady sands got fucked

[slender maple]

They could mention enclave and they previous appearences

[glass hill]

Fucking nuking the NCR did nothing but create more chaos and frustration for Mr House

[slender maple]

I think that could mess on new vegas fate

Or maybe after hoover dam lose, they moved away to shady sands again because they are bad losers... And I dont see NCR agreeing with house

[little condor]

Hence why he'd string Hank up from the Strip North Gate if House is still alive by 2296.

[glass hill]

You talking about the airship in the show? That isn’t the prydwen

It’s a sister ship

[little condor]

Wait, what? I thought it had the word 'Prydwen' on the side? Or was that a snafu?

[glass hill]

Called the Caswennan

[slender maple]

You know... Even if we dont see courier six or a companion from previous games... I just want to see mysterious stranger

[glass hill]

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/fallout-first-look

It’s explained in this article

[slender maple]

I didnt get something

[glass hill]

The airship is an identical sister ship to the prydwen in Fallout 4

[slender maple]

Does this show was going to canonize a fallout 4 ending?

At the end
No shit about events of F4

[glass hill]

I don’t think it did

[little condor]

Though they did mention that the BoS has clerics in the Commonwealth.

[livid bramble]

Didn’t they make a reference about the blimp being from the commonwealth tho? Or am I confused

[slender maple]

Sooo they still alive

[glass hill]

I don’t think it really showed anything except that the brotherhood now has a big foothold in the west

[livid bramble]

Or it could take place before fo4

[slender maple]

It happends after fo4

[livid bramble]

Oop

[glass hill]

There’s a 7 year jump from the end of Fallout 4 to the tv show

[slender maple]

Like 9 years later

[smoky hill]

it actually DOES say prydwen on the side

[glass hill]

Something like that

[smoky hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c1xpht/the_name_of_the_airship_in_episode_1_of_the_new/#lightbox

[whole drum]

this is meme material

[livid bramble]

If done right, I’m kinda hype for Synths to be in the show sometime in the future (I’m not necessarily saying for season 2)

[slender maple]

I mean
So all that liberty prime comeback to end with the brotherhood like a irony... Aint canon?????

Fuck you bethesta

You cant even give your on lore a good canon

[whole drum]

they are good story tellers, not good story keepers

[glass hill]

This is from the article I linked a few minutes ago

[orchid stone]

So means either minuteman or BOS are canon for 4

[warm ermine]

Presumably that was a production nickname

The ship in the show says prydwen on the side

[livid bramble]

At least it’s not as bad as FNAF lore. Fnaf is a massive steaming mess right now

[whole drum]

fnaf x fallout collab

[smoky hill]

what happened to the BOS anyway? they seemed more like a offshoot cult then the real BOS

[whole drum]

one shitstorm of a story right there

[slender maple]

Scott be like
"so you see matpat, fnaf 1 take place after the events of segurity breach"

[glass hill]

I just looked at this… wtf lol

I’m genuinely confused now

[warm ermine]

we got jebaited

[smoky hill]

so the bos is canon ending for F4 yet they seem nothing like the BOS of either coast that we know

[glass hill]

Wait so it actually was the prydwen all along?

[warm ermine]

seems so

[slender maple]

Soo... Did maxon didnt get his ass kicked?

[glass hill]

[slender maple]

Didnt*

[smoky hill]

maybe Maxson is still on the east coast with the rest of the brotherhood? seeing how the west coast is now also fucked beyond reason

[little condor]

Maybe this is what Quinlan was referring to back in FO4 in his Maxson fanfiction with the whole 'cults back West' thing?

[glass hill]

I’m still confused? Was this vanity fair article purposely misleading fans then?

[smoky hill]

it really does seem like a cult instead of the normal brotherhood its weird

[slender maple]

I dont understood why people complained of enclave still being there
Doesnt fallout fandom doesnt know that they still got people at Chicago?

[warm ermine]

they probably asked the name of it and they gave this bs name so it didnt seem suspicious

[smoky hill]

so NCR is dead
BOS rules east coast
enclave is still alive
and Vault tec are the reason why everything is the way it is because of money
did i miss anything?

[dusty breach]

certainly doesn't look like the scientist dude walked all the way from Chicago to LA

[slender maple]

Well even people didnt like enclave because what bethesta did on Fo3 they aint a bad antagonist

[small linden]

no apparently in lore china fired first, so the show didn't specifically state vault tec did it

[whole drum]

AH I JUST REALIZED.

They ruined the ncr flag scene

they played the fallout 4 theme over it instead of new vegas's

[slender maple]

Well, it could

[small linden]

i originally thought that, but the theme sounds more like a general theme for the games

[whole drum]

no its not, i put it in #1225376838973653022

its literally 1:1 fallout 4

[slender maple]

Yea but still got me to cry of emotion

[dusty breach]

you are aware of how far apart the two are right

[little condor]

Yeah, it felt honestly right for the scene.

[slender maple]

I dont think even if is like that, he didnt just walk...

[whole drum]

you had one job bethesda, one job.

[slender maple]

And, I mean
Frank walked from los ángeles to new vegas

Even using a power armor I think that would je more a torture that a good thing

[whole drum]

out of all the themes they couldve used, they used the theme of the game that has no trace of them

[glass hill]

Everything except MAYBE the NCR and BOS makes no sense lol. The enclave is nearly extinct, that has been confirmed and reconfirmed multiple times

[small linden]

yeah i haven't played 4 since it released, so you're right

[glass hill]

The show’s Enclave gives the impression that they are thriving

[smoky hill]

im alright with Vault tec being the baddies
i am just NOT okay with the way shady sands was nuked
"oh you, my wife wont come with me? well fuck you and your entire city casually nukes a city"

[slender maple]

Enclave got pursuit, they got their ass kicked from California and Washington so they could just thing
"I dont thing is a good idea trying a 3rd strike against wasteland, lets just keep a low profile"

[warm ermine]

shady sands was syphoning water from vault 33 and they are a threat to vault tec by existing

[whole drum]

I just tested out the main theme of new vegas with the flag, and with some edits to the song, it wouldve fit WAY better

[little condor]

It honestly makes Hank seem more pathetic than threatening.

[dusty breach]

yeah it feels kinda shitty that the great end of the NCR is cause of some dude's marriage dispute

[whole drum]

damn, imagine being a threat to someone by existing. Thats sad

[smoky hill]

how does hank even get his hands on a nuke?

[warm ermine]

the point of the vaults was for them to be able to determine the world on their own terms, these were obviously not people that would cooperate

[slender maple]

I just think he just actually wanted to destroy the competence
Just like a corp

[glass hill]

Nuking Sandy Shores feels more like an Enclave thing but sure this high level executive at VaultTec can access some unknown silo 200+ years after the bombs. Ok!

[little condor]

Though honestly, I like the bookend factor. The NCR began when a Vault Dweller first came to Shady Sands, and it ended after another Vault Dweller arrived.

[whole drum]

well you just combine 1 giant lunchbox, 10000 caps, about 20 sensor modules, and a massive crate of cherry bombs

[slender maple]

Poetry

[small linden]

i think at the end of the day, you have to pass it off as the lone wanderer flicking the switch that blows up megaton and extrapolate it to vault tec launching a nuke from "somewhere" and blowing up shady sands. this is really the only criticism i have

[whole drum]

or, if you want to go by fallout 76 standards...
500 Adhesive
400 Circuitry
300 Lead
500 Nuclear material
1000 Screws
1000 Steel

that should be a big enough mini nuke to destroy an entire city

[slender maple]

To be honest
Tecnically they are a lot of nukes out there on the wasteland

Like divisory

[whole drum]

also those numbers are just estimates, take them with a grain of salt

[warm ermine]

is this him implying something other than being stuck out in the nukes made him a ghoul?

[dusty breach]

characters do call him the ghoul, so perhaps he is the first?

[whole drum]

could be, or could be bad choice of words

[glass hill]

I am curious about what the snake oil salesman gave that squire

[warm ermine]

[whole drum]

no thats just because hes a badass

hes a one of a kind ghoul

[blazing perch]

Bro how tf is the Enclave alive and seemingly thriving?\

[warm ermine]

I have so many things like HMMM this seems wrong

[little condor]

Once the show itself wraps up, what if the final scene is ending slides that details the effects of Lucy, Maximus, and Cooper's journey, sort of like how the first two games and NV did it?

[glass hill]

Apparently now you can just inject yourself with something and become an immortal rapid healing ghoul? Lol?

[warm ermine]

I don't care what else happens I'm just vibing with the fact that walton goggins is vault boy canon lore

[whole drum]

irradiated blood

[glass hill]

I feel like that breaks canon

[little condor]

Though if Cooper is Vault Boy, who'd be the model for Vault Girl? Stephanie?

[slender maple]

Man, if that scene where the ghoul meet up those scavengers where actually rangers
He would go longer than there

[whole drum]

so does many other things in the show so

[warm ermine]

I dunno it could just be a fake companion

[whole drum]

why not add to the pile

[glass hill]

I was expecting them to give coop a wig to wear lol

[warm ermine]

his hair is the right shape at least, but maybe in marketing they said hey blonde goes better with the yellow, make him blonde

[whole drum]

just thought of this.

They better, BETTER! Include the line "Truth is, the game was rigged from the start"

[whole drum]

in s2

that is the best possible line they could have someone say in S2

[slender maple]

I wanna see Raúl meet the ghoul

[little condor]

Though by all that is holy, keep Johnny Guitar out of the song selection for S2.

[whole drum]

no, it must prevail

they will play it again

for johnny

[slender maple]

Would be fun if they make a joke about Johnny guitar in a loop

[whole drum]

johnny guitar is a requirement for the song selection

[little condor]

Big Iron would be a banger of a track to include for a big shootout.

[slender maple]

Man, if big iron started sounding at the appearence of New vegas

[faint cobalt]

id kill to see danny trejo all ghouled up

[whole drum]

johnny guitar would fit every other scene

[slender maple]

That would be a dope ending

[little condor]

Though I legit would shit a brick if they also included Begin Again somewhere.

[glass hill]

What did you guys think about the War never changes line?

[faint cobalt]

begin again would make me make love to jonathan nolan

[whole drum]

lame

shouldve been at the start of the series

[little condor]

I found it funny that it was spoken in-universe by Coop's psycho wife.

[slender maple]

Nah having bad karma goes brrrrrr

[glass hill]

Idk but Goggins said it really well

Might just be me though lol

[little condor]

Complete with Ron Perlman narration?

[whole drum]

yes

we need an entire script read out by ron perlman

beginning with, war never changes

[slender maple]

She got that paranoid of the war that she thought
"if nuclear ending gonna happend, at least I Will know the date"

[glass hill]

Holy shit I didn’t even make that connection but the ghoul is actually quoting what his wife said?

[slender maple]

Imagine an actual ron pearlman cameo

[whole drum]

yknow i just remembered
this

[glass hill]

I feel like fallout is ripe for celebrity cameos

[whole drum]

so hes the one that started the icon

interesting

[slender maple]

Well, he is the one Who does the monologue at the start of some fallout games and his voice is iconic

[glass hill]

They definitely did a couple of random encounters in the first season haha

[slender maple]

Aint that bad idea

[whole drum]

I saw someone made a good point.

The ghoul has perks

one of them being Finesse I think

[glass hill]

Max VATS

[slender maple]

He appearing like a hystorian of wasteland and concluiding that all factions are just pre wars ideals that would send everyone to hell

[faint cobalt]

do we think thaddesus is gonna turn into a monster with that healing factor

[warm ermine]

the ghoul juice is packaged up like some party drugs lol

[slender maple]

I wanna se mysterious stranger at some point

[whole drum]

someone said the ghoul has the following perks, bloody mess, cannibal, gun-fu

and it all shows

[whole drum]

ghoul juice, dear god

is that what we are calling it now

[glass hill]

I wonder what Ron Perlman’s thoughts on fallout are today lol. He did that one line years ago. I don’t think he’s involved in anything else, is he?

[warm ermine]

thats what Imma call it

[whole drum]

ghoul juice

[slender maple]

Imagine if they make an use of sierra madre biological weapon

[whole drum]

[faint cobalt]

moldaver and rose were roomates

[smoky hill]

Maxson could actually still be alive and well since we havent actually seen anything on the prydwen itself so he could just be there looking out the window like he usually does

[faint cobalt]

man child

[whole drum]

The next fallout game will have a consumable.
Ghoul Juice. +20 rads, +10 hp

[faint cobalt]

man that looks 40 but canonically probably 20

25

[smoky hill]

the next Fallout is gonna be in california now that the NCR is gone

[slender maple]

He maybe gonna be at some tribe telling them How he fu- like 15 deathclaws at the same time being a 3rd year old baby

[glass hill]

Knowing how they label other chems, it’ll definitely be called Ghoul Juice

[faint cobalt]

lets give young kid maxson benefit of the doubt say hes 15 in falliut 3, hed be like 27 or so in 4

[faint cobalt]

Ghuice

Goose

Jhoul

[glass hill]

My favorite character

[whole drum]

[slender maple]

You know
I like to see what happend to Joshua graham

[faint cobalt]

i hope he survived well with the

[whole drum]

he ascended

[slender maple]

He is the only one could make someone like judge holden feel fear

[kindred otter]

Do you really belives about NV game being "decanonize" ??

[slender maple]

Thats bullshit lol

[small linden]

People are saying the positioning and naming as well as the timeline is fucking up the framing of the lore

Naming such as shady sands

[slender maple]

Spanish fandom are just either 2 things
Trolls
Or cry babys

First: new vegas destruction was marked even it happend
Ulysess talked that about on lonesome road

So what ever it happend on new vegas, it wasnt because a faction war

[dusty breach]

I think there's a way it could sorta fit into canon, if shady sands being nuked happens like directly after NV

[slender maple]

I think NCR leaved NV since they lose at hoover dam and they denied to agree at house terms

That left new vegas vulnerable

They came back to shady sands, and the nuke happend and that could explain why the NCR fall down

Funny thing is, if is this what happend
They could survive by just agreeing with house
Even if they got shady sands nuke, they Will still have power and even they could ask house a hand to do a comeback

And the funny thing is, he would agree with kick Frank ass

[kindred otter]

but in the series the shady sands destruction happened in 2277 before even the events of new vegas

[slender maple]

Shit

Well
A wizard did it

[smoky hill]

RETCON!

[kindred otter]

i want to think it's just a mistake

[smoky hill]

damnit bethesda

[bright badge]

There's an arrow

[rare acorn]

It's interesting because the symbols are a ghoul and mushroom cloud

[slender maple]

Holy shit I did a better lore writing than bethesta

[smoky hill]

now if New vegas was nuked instead then i would have 1000% subscribed to that piece of lore

[bright badge]

Shady Sands nuke occurred after the fall of the NCR

[dusty breach]

you could technically argue that the nuke drawing comes after "the fall of shady sands" on the timeline

[rare acorn]

In fo4 he's the news anchor

[slender maple]

Lets be honest, that would just make bethesta rep. Worst

[bright badge]

He's in every game

[slender maple]

They already have reputation of hating obsidian side of lore

[smoky hill]

altho now atleast we can stop the bear vs bull arguments BECAUSE THE BEAR IS DEAD! HA!

[bright badge]

Thank fuck

[slender maple]

Nuking NV would just bring hate to the show

[kindred otter]

also the house won

[bright badge]

And the enclave burning underweight puppies kills the enclave are good argument

[slender maple]

Bear and Bull bear and bull
BEAR AND BULL OH ULYSESS DOESNT STOP
BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL

[bright badge]

The shows like the second coming in terms of shutting down arguments that've lasted years

[bright badge]

Ulysses only had to wait like 6/7 years lmao

[slender maple]

I wanna know what influenced courier six to destroy the divisory

[kindred otter]

not if the canon ending is that the courier doesn't kill him

[smoky hill]

now all we need is to see that the bull is also in fact dead

[bright badge]

Accident

Ulysses thinks the fuck up was his responsibility so he wants the courier dead

[kindred otter]

The series also can confirm us that in 99% the house ending is the nv canon ending now ??

[bright badge]

But the Ncr found and brought the detonator to the divide, courier was just delivering

[slender maple]

"dont you hate when you Pass by a City and accidentaly you bring chaos and destruction to it?
damn it happend me a few times"

[bright badge]

Fuck knows, NV would he in turmoil in any ending

[slender maple]

It always was

[bright badge]

Legion raze it. House and NCR lose the NCR backing and it fucks trade. Courier doesn't take over without trouble

[slender maple]

Dont forget it was implied that new vegas without any faction intervenion gonna fall down

Just like benny said
"the truth is
The game was rigged from the start

[dusty breach]

kinda wondering how they're gonna work around the courier in s2, surely they wouldn't kill a player character offscreen

[kindred otter]

*he was trapped in sierra madre

i would be pissed off if that was canon

[little condor]

I mean, OWB says they returned to and took up protecting Big MT after the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, so presumably they've been chilling there since.

"The Courier watched over the Big Empty for years to come, caring for it, and keeping its discoveries safe until they were needed to help others."

[kindred otter]

they could use that for season 2

[little condor]

What, Hank busting into Big MT? Good luck getting past the roboscorpions, lobotomites, spore zombies, corrupted Securitrons and a pissed-off cyborg mailperson. Hank might be a rat fink, but he ain't no Elijah or Ulysses.

[dusty breach]

I feel like this line was just meant to imply that the courier just made sure the dorks there didn't escape containment, not straight up living the rest of his/her life there

[little condor]

Though now that I think about it, the Madre's vending machines which Big MT made would pair nicely with the cold fusion technology.

[kindred otter]

"Hank enter the lucky 38 to see Mr house, the first person to see inside was a man in a vault 21 suit carrying a beautiful revolver..."

Imagine a duel Corier vs The Goul

[little condor]

Would be interesting to find out just what the hell the Courier's been doing since Hoover Dam considering shit's hit the fan big-time for the West Coast.

Though I feel like it'd be a mistake to include them in S2; they'd be rather redunant considering Cooper already fills the experienced category of protagonist.

[glass hill]

Wait fr?

I did not know that

I still need to play fallout 4. I’ve been intentionally avoiding it. Just waiting for the next gen update.

[sturdy bone]

Except they're not canonizing any ending and it's entirely possible to write s2 without endorsing one. If they have mr house it's gonna be like robo brain or something that can happen after

[sturdy bone]

He'll just be out delivering mail again like a real og

Best move is to have an off hand comment from a random about someone delivering mail and say "that dudes a legend" and nothing else

No face, dress em in a trench to avoid telling what gender

[little condor]

That works, maybe have Cooper say 'Oh, I remember that crazy bastard, they still owe me a hundred caps' or something.

[sturdy bone]

Nah that's too much of having games cross path

I want it to be really subtle as is Nolan's style

[blazing perch]

Anyone have any idea how the Enclave is reestablished?

[sturdy bone]

you really think they -all- die whenever we've encountered them and their not spread out all over the country in individual pockets willing to take up the cause>

[hexed cosmos]

My guess it was just a Research Base and not one of their military ones

[shrewd rune]

“Nothing ever truly Dies”

The Enclave Motto everytime they need to be resurrected

[blissful notch]

Hey so neat thing, in the intro to episode 1 we didn't see any particle trails or physical bombs dropping. We only saw detonations

Either an oversight or Vault-Tec and the Enclave had some follow through

[warm ermine]

oops they forgot to clean the other side of 33 door after doing the 32 cleanup lol

[little condor]

Wouldn’t be Vault-Tec if they didn’t miss a spot somewhere.

[warm ermine]

missed 2

[steel warren]

Doesn’t matter, won’t be applicable to any future instalments as something that trivial of a detail is almost never crossed referenced during the development process of both a show or a game.

[rare acorn]

True

[steel warren]

People that work on this stuff aren’t nearly as hyper obsessed, have the time nor are as autistic as the folks that notice all these details.

That’s why virtually every fictional world that has entries which span the gap of years or even decades have pretty huge inconsistencies, especially if said IP has swapped hands like Fallout has.

Bethesda or any other studio will never pull one of the lore megaminds from a Discord like this or the wiki that know everything typically because they have no legit writing credentials, smell bad and are socially awkward.

That’s why at the end of the day, you’ll always have game/book adapted shows/movies with big plot inconsistencies as the studios will hire an excellent writer who really only has time to do surface/immediate level studying of the source material. At most, they’re a casual reader/gamer of the series before being hired.

There are some very rare exceptions, but this is the case for 99% of all the material adapted to screen.

[rare acorn]

There's a reason I don't enjoy most story mods

Usually have cringe voice acting for one on top of bad dialogue

[bright badge]

Which works better than hiring a mega fan

There's a point where detail becomes excessive

An outside influence can trim a lot of the fat

[steel warren]

Can also introduce new ideas when not burdened by the bloat of lore that prevents anything from happening because you have to account for XYZ12345

[rare acorn]

True

If fans made the games nothing new would happen

[small linden]

Hi hawke

[rare acorn]

I wonder if we'll get any dunwich references in s2

[bright badge]

Frontier proved it

[steel warren]

Nope

[bright badge]

Instead of using the new location they made to introduce new things. Same legion vs ncr

[steel warren]

Not true either, look at Fallout London or whatever. That shit looked pretty unique. Really, it just comes down to not being hyper anal. Alright, Bethesda and the showrunners came in and boom boomed up the big boy NCR in a point that largely conflicts with the events of a previous instalment. No biggie, I’m sure this discrepancy will never be addressed or rectified in any further Fallout title and I hope it doesn’t. The consumer masses don’t care, why should you?

Just enjoy things the simple things in life, don’t look beyond the surface.

[bright badge]

Idk looking beyond it isn't inherently bad, just don't let it overwrite the good in a series

[small linden]

Make a falloutrp server next thanks

[steel warren]

I agree, enjoy the good things about the series. Enjoy it as the surface level entertainment it is and continue on with your day.

[small linden]

[steel warren]

What’s a falloutrp

[small linden]

The friends we made along the way.

[bright badge]

Fallout roleplay?

[steel warren]

Yeah. Can’t go anywhere without these nerds from the Half-Life gmod community following me asking them to make them an RP server in a different genre.

[small linden]

Happens all the time to him, call the combine the universal union.

It will really sting

[small linden]

You chose this life.

[steel warren]

If you really want some fallout roleplay, hire an escort and make a special request to refer to your unbelievably small piece as a tunnel snake

[small linden]

Hell no

I don’t want to run that shit

Besides, you’d do better

[steel warren]

do better for what

[small linden]

This

[steel warren]

you're going to need to go into specifics, because I don't get it

[small linden]

Just take this and refer it back unto yourself.

[steel warren]

take what?

[small linden]

You’ll get it.

[steel warren]

i wont

[small linden]

Oh well.

[steel warren]

are ya done?

[small linden]

With what?

[steel warren]

this is a tv channel, fat boy

[small linden]

Yes. I was just about to ask a question before you replied back to me.

[rare acorn]

Seems pretty obvious what they mean

[steel warren]

theres more than one?

[rare acorn]

One what

[steel warren]

the weirdo asking for fallout larp

[steel warren]

this nerd

[small linden]

Anyways. I don’t know why people are complaining about new Vegas in season 2 and how it looks run down since it looks absolutely fine, and I still don’t understand how people think they wrote it out of the lore

[rare acorn]

Do you understand words

[small linden]

The shady sands bit I understand but the rest, not so much.

[steel warren]

no?

[rare acorn]

Your reply to me makes no sense to what I said

[bright badge]

He's being sarcastic lmfao

[steel warren]

he gets it

[rare acorn]

There's being sarcastic and then there's dumb

[steel warren]

here comes luda

[rare acorn]

But ya stop rping

[steel warren]

yep

[small linden]

Idiot Savant perk comes in clutch for hawke

[rare acorn]

Especially your weird horny rp

[small linden]

WHAT

[steel warren]

still larping

[rare acorn]

Why you acting innocent

[small linden]

Anyways, this

[steel warren]

you cant just come in here asking for a gmod RP server and then act innocent

[small linden]

Hawke, you are unfamiliar with jokes. I understand this.

[rare acorn]

Wdym absolutely fine, there's crashed NCR vertibirds littering the streets, dead securitrons everywhere, rubble and decaying buildings

[steel warren]

Then do not joke with me

Ever. Even at a comedy show

[small linden]

I humbly apologize hawke. Maybe you’ll understand the funny sometime later down the line

[small linden]

Do you mean for the credits?

[rare acorn]

Jokes so bad they won't even host you at the atomic wrangler

[steel warren]

No, I refuse

[rare acorn]

Ya the credits slides

[small linden]

Every single credit scene has been like that, I think that’s just the style and it doesn’t represent the actual finality of the situation. I think it is just to keep up with style consistency. Everything still looks mostly decent when we actually get the aerial view.

If not, I am sure they would have intentionally done something to convey ruin.

[rare acorn]

Idk

[small linden]

Maybe it is but idk, I just don’t think they’d have Hank go to a ruined New Vegas. That’d be pretty boring. And on that same note, the house always wins.

new vegas

[zenith pollen]

Who else thinks at timestamp 19:28 Episode 8 that when barb howard gets the ping on her pop boy it’s from an enclave deep state senator or high ranking general to keep the meeting going smoothly

[rare acorn]

Isn't that directly implied in that scene

[coral mortar]

Does anyone have the screenshot of the US vaults map on hand?

The one specifically in the prewar CEO round table flashback scene

[rare acorn]

Google had it on hand

[coral mortar]

God bless you and google 🙏

[small linden]

its because cooper is highjacking the signal to hear whats goin on

[rare acorn]

Oh I didn't even think of that

[steel warren]

LOL

[small linden]

sup

[steel warren]

you've been here a while cheezit

[small linden]

yes

[small linden]

Good for reference

[small linden]

i get that the dots are probably approximations and not exact locations of the vaults but some of the locations rly surprise me

Like is that a vault in . . .northern saskatchewan ?

and why is that the only canadian vault

[rare acorn]

Southern Saskatchewan

[small linden]

They don’t deserve them?

[rare acorn]

No it's why would it be in Saskatchewan

When Ontario or Quebec got way more people

[small linden]

i also noticed the vault in baja california

[rare acorn]

Imo maybe it's the main Management vault, they put it in Saskatchewan cuz why the heck would anyone nuke that place

[small linden]

Convenience would be my guess.

[rare acorn]

For who? The moose and reindeer?

[small linden]

They had to store some somewhere…

[rare acorn]

Lol gourmet moose meat vault

[small linden]

my geography isnt great so im trying to guess where locations are , maybe an overlay of a north american map over that image would be useful

like along the coast and major cities i can guess but the dots in the middle i have no clue

i just remember watching the show and being like ' no thats def way too far north to be america thats canada '

is that a crescent city vault

im rly surprised by some of these locations

[rare acorn]

You mean a map like this

[small linden]

u beautiful bastard

god they are fast

[rare acorn]

Idk if that's accurate tho it might be a little small

Looks like a vault in mexico

Or whatever that is on the west coast

[small linden]

yeah but its close enough , and i figure the vaults are approximations to show on a visual not an exact location

[rare acorn]

Below LA

[small linden]

yes that is baja california

[rare acorn]

Is that apart of Mexico? Or something else

[small linden]

yes , it is

south of san diego is mexico's portion of california , baja california

[rare acorn]

It's cool they had a vault built in Mexico and Canada

[small linden]

mhm altho ig by that point both of those places were annexed by america

[rare acorn]

Most definitely at least Baja California was maybe not all of mexico

[small linden]

im surprised the vault in michigan is kalamazoo / battle creek and not detroit

its definitely not an exhaustive map , im p sure some vaults are missing from that map

[rare acorn]

Ya no idea idk American geography outside of iconic locations

[small linden]

its ok im american and the way the map is shown in the show its hard to tell when its not the coast or major cities either bc of how theres no lines

[rare acorn]

Ya it looks more like Canadian provinces with the lines they had

[small linden]

fallout florida fans in shambles as barb howard completely covers the state

[rare acorn]

I tried counting the vaults on the map

Got to 86 before I lost my place and stopped incase I started double counting vaults

Think it's in the 120s tho as far as I remember we've never see a vault in the 130s

[sick verge]

So I’m guessing the show confirms dogmeat in the games escaped from the enclave

[rare acorn]

See that's what I was saying to my coworker earlier, maybe this new enclave questline in fo4 is gonna drop backstory on dogmeat having come from an enclave outpost or something

[sick verge]

Nah

The enclave thing is literally just a few reskinned things and a tiny quest. Think the level of the tunnel snakes CC. It’s nothing substantial at all

[normal crater]

Seems like Vault Tec isn't popular in canada

I wonder if there will ever be a DLC in Canada. A main game is probably a big NO since it would go against what Fallout is about

[dusk fog]

It ain't a questline, just padding to give some explanation why the Hellfire and X02 PA are available in game

Creation Club is essentially glorified modding

[dusk fog]

They hardly had the time to build any Vaults there since annexation was complete only in 2077

[smoky hill]

Seeing as the prydwin is in california will we see liberty prime in s2 as well then?

Unless the writers just tried to misdirect us by naming it 2 different things

[sturdy bone]

Writers didn't misdirect with casweasen, that was just a production goof based on code names.

Can y'all imagine how much more hate the series would've gotten before it aired if they had that the prydwen was in CA?

It's already a lot of lore fanatics have issues with because it took 5 years to get from DC to Boston in fo4

[odd marsh]

It's more like, the BoS decided to pop into the Commonwealth after sending three scouting expeditions

[small linden]

it was 6, they lose 3

[odd marsh]

my fallout knowledge has failed me

[small linden]

and there was another team, 3 years ago scouting the commonwealth

[empty idol]

i think the ghoul is seasoned veteran ranger then became bounty hunter thats why hes so skilled

[normal crater]

Guy's a pre-war marine though

[zenith pollen]

No I mean at least 19:28 when each corporate entity is getting more argumentative, Barb peers up towards the unknown man in the viewing area seen only in the shadows. This occurs After Barb gets a ping on her pipboy

[normal crater]

Your average wastelander is no match for an actual combat vet

He's a ghoul, so he has time on his side

After 200 years the only ones that actual can fight decently is the ones with a proper army and governments like the NCR or Enclave

[zenith pollen]

They did bud dirty, Brain on a roomba… not even bud gets the robobrain

I swear to god, the more I watch each episode, the more I further dislike the brotherhood and reinforce my love for the enclave

[visual carbon]

"I don't like these violent facsists so I'm going to love these violent fascists that may have caused all of this"

Ok then

[visual carbon]

I think this even gets mentioned in the games.

You don't survive for 200 years, as a ghoul, unless you're damn good at it.

[zenith pollen]

Nah I don’t like these violent facists that pretend to be the good guys, but I do like the ones that are clearly the bad guys but I joke about them being the good guys. The enclave are the good guys team. So to sum it all up…. I would rather and will support the faction that would kick the brotherhoods ass in a 1 on 1 if the BOS didn’t have plot convenience and pretend to be the good guys

[visual carbon]

"The enclave are the good guys team."

Do we enjoy the same franchise?

The enclave was more than willing to just let the US burn

didn't give a shit about anyone in it

They're not the US government.

They're a secretive cabal within the US government.

[zenith pollen]

Erm nah they were pretty pissed that the Chinese nuked the shit out of America, kind of the reason why the enclave still despise the Chinese

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Of course they hate the chinese. But they just wrote off the US.

No attempt to fix or save anyone in it.

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They are the closest thing to pre war govt in the wasteland, they were the deep state of the US govt

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That makes them the "good" guys?

Christ man

who do you think did the vault experiments

[zenith pollen]

Nah they had their own agenda, their original goal was to yk rebuild a pure America, or if we wanna go old school logic, repopulate a planet

[odd marsh]

The Enclave in their first depiction were cartoonishly evil who wanted to genocide the entirety of the United States and take over.
Hell, the intro even shows them shooting at unarmed civilians who were waving at them.

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Which they don't even change that much as you go through the franchise...

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Nope it's to make a fascist state based on eugenics

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^

[odd marsh]

(and they were also parodying other political parties irl)

[zenith pollen]

Not exactly, yall only say it’s facist because apparently you believe the post apocalypse is better off with mutated creatures

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They burn puppies

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It's because they're actually fascist

This has been discussed at length, they are a parody of fascism.

[odd marsh]

The 'mutated creatures' are anyone who lives in the mainland

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Which is Eugenics

[zenith pollen]

Look I’d rather prefer the “facist” faction over the one pretending to be the good guys like the BoS

[odd marsh]

Like, imagine.

You're writing silly things on a Discord server, right, and someone wants to gas you for just existing. That'd be pretty evil wouldn't it.

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Christ

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I mean they fucking burn puppies

[zenith pollen]

Yeah anyone who survived the apocalypse, if we wanna get barebones here, the enclave wants to wipe out any mutated human that lives outside a vault