EPISODE 8

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Not really, still got revenge

[frigid echo]

And so was the chosen one.

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Arroyo is absolutely fine as far as we know?

[analog mist]

I’m convinced ppl who hate on this are trying to find anything to hate on, it was great

[frigid echo]

That one was completly destroyed.

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Shady Sands was, Arroyo? No?

[analog mist]

Arroyo? Is fine..

[frigid echo]

The enclave is back.

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They have cells across the country

[frigid echo]

I know that.

[analog mist]

Technically they never left, they have splinters all over the remnants of the US

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Fuck are you mentioning they're back for then, never left

[frigid echo]

But he literally blew them out the West coast

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across the country

[frigid echo]

Thats F2's main plot.

[analog mist]

But wilzig whatever his name is LITERALLY traveled across the country to get to Cali

[frigid echo]

Then why not just do it in the east coast?

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😐 the remnants from it go to DC bruh. Are you fr rn

[analog mist]

And we know they aren’t in the west coast, bc if they were NONE of the vaults in the show would still be active

[analog mist]

Bc the plot is set in the west coast, why are you so upset about this

[bright badge]

California is cheap to shoot in

[little condor]

There's also ED-E mentioning an Enclave base in Chicago via his logs, though I'm not sure how Wilzig would be able to galavant to LA all the way from Chicago.

[frigid echo]

I know that! But why are you going to do it if you are just going to destroy what the past games did?

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It didn't though

[analog mist]

That does bring up the question, why did the enclave leave vault 31 as is if they knew they had vault Tec staff in crypto sleep?

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Enclave couldn't force them all open

[analog mist]

It didn’t destroy the games💀 I’m convinced you just want to hate on it atp

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It happened later with 101, couldn't get them to open the vault for them

[proven turtle]

Hey

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They're nuclear bomb resistant doors so the enclave need the residents to unlock it

[analog mist]

True, but Raiders were able to enter vault 32, and if the vault tec people were waiting for the surface to be cleansed, wouldn’t the remains of vault tec be able to help with that

[bright badge]

Wasn't that vault already open though

[analog mist]

No, they used Rose’s Pip Boy, which came from Vault 33, and if a vault 33 pip boy would be able to open the vault 32 door, I assume the enclave would be able to open the doors

[bright badge]

That's where it gets weird. Cause idk if Bethesda added the pip boy being necessary to unlock a door

[analog mist]

Idk, but the brother (I forgot his name) looked through the entrance logs and saw the door was opened by a pip boy

Fallout series was great tho 10/10

[royal cloak]

i just finished the show and i love how they setup the new season

[crimson anchor]

The ghoul bringing in the whole “lower glacis is faulty and pistol rounds can pen it” still sits wrong with me

I refuse to believe that the BOS didn’t discover the flaw even after 200 years

Hell the BOS was literally in a major war with the enclave they would’ve definitely found out by then

[analog mist]

Me too, HOPING we see more Vault 21, or a referance to Sierra Petrovita

[crimson anchor]

Isn’t sierra petrovita still in nuka world?

[analog mist]

Uhh, it’s been years so maybe not?

Idk lmao

[crimson anchor]

I don’t see any reason for sierra to go on a 3k mile hike because there’s nothing nuka cola important in new Vegas

[odd marsh]

It's not a pistol round, it's a gyrojet gun. Hell, it makes people explode.

(though you can say that they should've shot the Ghoul while he talked but movie protagonist logic).

[analog mist]

gambling

[hexed cosmos]

I pray for some Nuka World representation

[royal cloak]

To be fair in ep 2 we see that the ghoul carries multiple weapons, one in particular was showed off a lot during the first major action scene, we are shown the weapons ghoul uses have a HUGE caliber

[analog mist]

I pray for more lore abt the vaults, like which companies came up with which experiments, bc we only got confirms for like vaults 34, 51, and 75

[crimson anchor]

Still it’s in a pistol caliber. For 20 years the lore never mentioned this flaw only for it to be brought to make the ghoul look cool for one scene

[hexed cosmos]

Hollywood Sponsored by Nuka Cola gives me some hope

[royal cloak]

i cant find the exact frame, but the ghoul seemed to have a weapon similar to irl tyrus judge

[crimson anchor]

To call it “a design flaw” means that the armor barely protects in that area. If goggins could pen through it, so could the enclave, NCR, hell probably even raiders

[royal cloak]

a round barrel revolver that uses slugs or birdshot, and i think that would be a caliber big enough

what actually made me a bit more angry is the anti ferral serum

[crimson anchor]

Eh if they would sway one enclave scientist to their side, they could probably sway another.

[royal cloak]

I mean, its not like someone would let themselves get shot in the chest with a shotgun slug, or survive to say "guys i found a flaw in the chest"

[royal cloak]

i would get that, if not for the fact its been dealt like any other chem

[crimson anchor]

They would quickly notice the flaw upon retrieving the corpse.

[royal cloak]

altho i agree power armor feels silly, it gives superhuman strenght yet its inconsistent, and the protecition is quesitonable

[crimson anchor]

Yeah this is how I feel about Power armor in the show

[odd marsh]

My theory for the drugs is that it's a placebo, more than an actual drug.

Some Ghouls stay sane with a specific thing. Dean Domino stayed sane because he wanted to get into the Sierra Madre, for example. Cooper and his friend believe that drugs keep them sane, so they do drugs to stay sane.

[crimson anchor]

Fo4/76 power armor is peak fallout power armor. It feels AND looks like a tank, true to its lore

[royal cloak]

thats a very interesting point tbh

[regal carbon]

tbh t 60 having the same flaw in the wielding as t 45 is kinda funny

[crimson anchor]

Fallout show power armor looks like a tank, but feels like an apc more than a tank

[odd marsh]

When he gets into the supermarket, he starts to snort white powder, drink random vials, grabs whatever he can get his hands on. It's not a specific thing.

[regal carbon]

also it seems the enclave PA has the same flaw

[royal cloak]

now that i think about it the ghoul doesn't seem to have the supply on him after the episode, and we see what chem addiction can do in game like Cait from fallout 4 or fallout 76 and devils blood

[crimson anchor]

Which is stupid since the t60 is meant as a direct upgrade

[regal carbon]

well PA was made to be used basically as a APC

[crimson anchor]

In lore they were meant to serve as tanks. Not apcs

[regal carbon]

like to aid the infantry

[crimson anchor]

You’re thinking ifv, I’m talking apc.

[regal carbon]

yeah the PA that can get pen'd by anything higher then 5.56 is clearly made to be a tank

[royal cloak]

now that i think about the pa strenght, how come the core on Tituses armor wasnt protected ?

[crimson anchor]

If they can get penned with a 308 rifle, then the PA is useless.

[royal cloak]

Is it something they only give to palladins ? It doesnt seem to be expensive yet maximus lost his core in what seemed to be a second

[odd marsh]

Thaddeus used a key on the fusion core to unlock it

[crimson anchor]

308 is really common in the wasteland. If a 308 caliber gun can penetrate a PA user, then no one would be using PA

[regal carbon]

well in fallout it can barely withstand 5.56

[royal cloak]

also we have to keep in mind blunt trauma can kill someone from the bullets impact, so even if the armor plating could stand a highter caliber, the person inside would have their bones broken

given enough strain on the frame that is

[crimson anchor]

Ik the original fallouts had all that joule stuff but I think that’s only there because the original designs thought that 2500 joules sounded impressive but didn’t know how powerful guns are

[royal cloak]

and they show that with how Titus dies, his ribs were simply broken

[crimson anchor]

Based on how PA is portrayed in 4/76, in gonna say that that’s been retconned

[royal cloak]

i dont like how pa in 4 and 76 is shown simply bc the frame doesnt seem to matter

it didnt have to matter in 3 or nv bc it simply wasnt shown as an component but why show it as a component if it has no properties ?

[crimson anchor]

The frame is what gives the user strength. The power armor pieces give protection

[royal cloak]

the frame also provides stability to the plating, reducing damage on impact to the person inside

[crimson anchor]

We see that in 4/76.

I hoped to see that in the show, but it never shows that

[royal cloak]

yea, in fact it feels like the frames are lighter ?

[crimson anchor]

Agreed, it feels less steel and more tin

[royal cloak]

Like you are telling me getting flung 10 meters would break someones ribs in a t60 ?

[crimson anchor]

People shouldn’t be getting flung 10 meters though. Maybe falling down if it’s from a Yao guai or a deathclaw hit but not getting flung 10 meters

[royal cloak]

yea

[crimson anchor]

Turns out it’s hard to knock down several tons of steel.

[royal cloak]

pa should increase your weight enough to prevent it and give you enough stability to make it difficult to get knocked down

[crimson anchor]

I gotta go. I hope they make power armor better in the next show.

[royal cloak]

honestly i was kinda sad to see the final fight scene that ghoul had being so... idk unrealistic ?

[royal cloak]

yea, I would like to see Lucy finding a rusty old set of t45

[crimson anchor]

Didn’t like the final scene. It feels more like fan fiction than fallout

“Oh my super cowboy character decimates entire BOS platoon based off some technicality that only my character knows”

[royal cloak]

yea, and the core that provides INFINITE energy seems like something that shouldnt exist in the fallout universe in general

in my opinion its existence just makes vault tech look like idiots for not reclaiming it sooner, i mean unlimited energy could let you idfk

Terraform entire fucking planets without nukes ?

Sustain an underground civilisaiton indefinitly provided enough water to circulate so plants can sustain themselves with artificial light creating unlimited oxygen and water circulation in an internal atmosphere ?

[lost wedge]

It took me a minute (haven't played in about a year) but that's what I recalled too, thanks! 🫶

[royal cloak]

and all we are shown is BoS has access to it and prob wont be able to move it ever, and just a stunning very cool but ultimately useless lights show ? ( that shouldnt even happen bc the bombs would shatter the light sources )

[daring pilot]

He maxed out luck and intelligence

[daring pilot]

2500 joules is any round beyond 7.62x39/5.56

[uneven badger]

I JUST FINISHED THE SHOW

WHAT. THE. FUCK. (In a good way)

[lost wedge]

It's showing on my map, headed there now, thanks!

[sturdy bone]

I think it was more there was still stuff there needed to be worked on and the enclave was doing it and succeeded. The scientist defected to give it to the people(or attempt to) instead

[lost wedge]

Actually I was going to say, it seemed like Ultra Jet and another chem, stacked.
His knowledge and experience with T-60 is about 220 years, iirc.

[royal cloak]

Dude stacked jet and deadeyes on a pistol

[golden crest]

you know what he says

[vocal dew]

Plot armor is the best it seems

[golden crest]

he does this shit for the love of the game. and that means being able to deadshot a bunch of bos knights right in the weak spot in the dark

[tribal belfry]

Everytime I kill ghouls in game now I feel bad because I remember how the ghouls became feral in the tv show

[vocal dew]

Eh technically no.

[tribal belfry]

Tf your denying my own feelings

[vocal dew]

A lot of people instantly were feral ghouls

[tribal belfry]

Yeah for every one that became feral instantly, there’s more that go through a slow process. Cuz technically they all will become feral without that drug

[vocal dew]

In the game lore it saids that Mexico has thousands of them along with New York being overrun.

[tribal belfry]

Also they shoudve shown a jump scare from ferals or at least let them crawl out of some crevice or something

How do you know all of them instantly became feral. Some could’ve just had access to no drugs

[vocal dew]

Game and tv aren’t the same

[tribal belfry]

Tv is canon

[golden crest]

yeah its in the official timeline

[vocal dew]

I’m not gonna treat that Chem keeping ghouls from becoming feral canon

[golden crest]

methinks the drug is a regional thing

[tribal belfry]

I don’t even wanna fucking argue about this. All I said was I feel bad for killing ghouls because of the process they coudve gone through, and somehow we are arguing

[vocal dew]

Well how about scorched?

Or super mutants.

[tribal belfry]

Well if the tv show shows us the process about those in real life yeah I’ll feel even more bad just like ghouls

wtf does this have to do with anything your just trying to argue with me

[vocal dew]

** is only game bro why you have to be mad **

[tribal belfry]

I am bewildered

[sturdy bone]

Why?

It seems to be only something ones that are already going feral need to take to slow/stop it

The ghoul specifically said he was going feral for like 26 years

[daring pilot]

Just like when Han Solo points his gun to a random direction and kills someone

[sturdy bone]

idk why people see shit for a race and automatically assume that means it's now the norm for everyone of that race.

(this goes for all scifi)

[daring pilot]

Literally anyone with crippling addictions.

Body and brain becomes dependent out of it, body can't work properly

[sturdy bone]

I'd kinda say it's more like aids or something

Take meds, it doesn't progress and do any damage, stop taking them and it will lead to death

[azure marten]

I assume that some ghouls can go on without med with no fear going feral but other defiantly need it

[warm ermine]

neat

[clear iron]

Omfg perfection

they didn’t retcon new vegas

how does nuking shady sands = new vegas ceasing to exist

a lot of people never played FO1 and FO2 and it shows

[golden crest]

its the chalkboard from episode 6 i think. the way its drawn implies shady sands was nuked the same year new vegas took place, which i honestly think was just a production error

since emil has confirmed new vegas absolutely still happened

[clear iron]

Yeah 2977 is not the year they were nuked, but even if they were nuked maybe word hasn’t spread to the NCR on the frontline. But yeah most likely a production error

on the chalkboard it’s 2977 ->

[warm ermine]

The biggest debate is when actually was it bombed because the arrow after the "fall" indicates later

and the lack of a date seems on purpose because they probably want it to be in question

[clear iron]

it 100% was later, maybe we will find out with season 2

[golden crest]

if the NCR lost in new vegas and then bam, their first capital and probably considered historic city gets nuked a cpl of years later

just cant catch a break

also not even nuked for any strategic reason, hank was just upset that his wife had left him

[clear iron]

the only way that could’ve happened while still being tied in to new Vegas is if Mr House won and somehow found out about shady sands and decided to nuke them

[golden crest]

one man's ego

[clear iron]

Because vault tec is evil, actually my most hated faction

Move out of the way facist enclave we got a worst faction to replace you

[small linden]

What an ending lol

Might season 2 have huge lore issues with new vegas ? The show is set only 15 years latter so we'll know if the courier took over or not eh

[clear iron]

Doubtful

they stayed pretty true to the lore in season 1, these writers did there research and did fan service

they even finally confirmed some long running theories, I always thought vault tec nuked the world.

[small linden]

Yeah they at least initiated the attack which caused counter attacks and boom war

[clear iron]

and also how ghouls survive for so long without going feral, it makes sense even looking back at the games, most conscious ghouls are drug addicts

[small linden]

But what I meant was more about the new vegas endings

[clear iron]

nothing is concrete or has been said about it

They will pick one to be canon, my guess is Mr house

[small linden]

Hopefully they go with the independent route when they show it next season lol

Or yeah Mr house, I'm purely leaning towards because they showed him in that meeting

[clear iron]

Mr house would 100% blow up shady sands if he knew about it and had the means to

[small linden]

Man I just hope it makes sense at the very least

[clear iron]

yeah I hope so too

[small linden]

The shady sands stuff is already causing lots of issues with people

But I found it easy to interpret and works with the game lore fine

Then I just read some people are yelling retconn because of how vegas looked in that few seconds at the end, to me it was just artists interpretation 😂

They're saying it looks destroyed/ransacked

But thats how it looked in the game?😂 and the inside looked fine to me, 38 intact and all

[quartz pendant]

To be honest, I'm glad I survived to see this series.

[warm ermine]

hmmmm behavioral engineering

guess just the dog testing

[small linden]

I mean the dog seen is a super good boy

[clear iron]

yeah enclave aren’t known to be experimental with any humans or anything like that

[warm ermine]

very good girl*

https://i.imgur.com/a5l9Mju.jpeg

super mutant def

[clear iron]

I wonder what innocent experiments they were cooking up in there

[small linden]

Yeah that lol I forgot what gender the doggy was

[clear iron]

Smallest super mutant ever

[warm ermine]

well its enclave

failed super mutant

[small linden]

Hey actually I was confused, so the enclave had cold fusion but it was vault tec patented ?

[warm ermine]

guess they're workin together

[clear iron]

yeah, the government and the biggest Corp worked together, like how they do irl

[warm ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/ArJts12.jpeg

looks like they're wearing a lab coat

[small linden]

Would of been real useful to know, could of skipped the hoover dam nonsense 🤣

[warm ermine]

whats that doo dad

[small linden]

We'll never know, I thought it was a camera or locator or something

[warm ermine]

this is my third time watching the second episode but my first time being able to pause and analyze and screenshot

[small linden]

Lmao I spent my entire first rewatch HATING everyone except the ghoul

I guess I still hate them but at least the protagonists are sort of better by the very end

[lyric bramble]

Is it wrong for me to say that Decimus is a cool cat

[shrewd rune]

They say that because it actually being 2277 would directly contradict New Vegas. I imagine it was afterwards but they already contradict 1 and 2 with the placement of Shady Sands.

Hopefully this is all clarified eventually

[clear iron]

Maximus is a horribly written character. How does he feel like he’s more unaware than Lucy is. Also he’s a selfish weirdo

[small linden]

people have deduced that 2077 was the fall, and the nuke came some time after

[shrewd rune]

Yeah I know

[small linden]

Copers are also deducing that most denizens are dumb as fuck, so they probably got the numbers hella wrong lol I believe it

[warm ermine]

max grew up in the brotherhood being picked on by people so he probably was very reserved and anything he learned from people is probably limited/made fun of

[clear iron]

Yeah the shady sands placement was weird, last I knew that place was called the boneyard but hey what do I know I’ve only played all the games

[clear iron]

yeah too many ass whoopings got his brain not working correctly or something

[shrewd rune]

Uh…okay

[small linden]

It's just too risky

[clear iron]

uhhh okay

[warm ermine]

stop being goofballs

https://i.imgur.com/FjRC7t2.jpeg

look at all that damn science

[small linden]

I kind of wished they wouldn't include past game lore too much, or not do it at all

Should of been contained to LA mostly, but oh well its their decision

[small linden]

hmmmm yes square of triangle divided by mcdonalds

[warm ermine]

hmmmm hmmm yes of course

[shrewd rune]

Me anticipating the third destruction of the Enclave

[small linden]

They seem pretty fine lol

Show made all the factions look soo crap they actually got me rooting for enclave on the account of being functional

[warm ermine]

[small linden]

Got so heated when Lucy choose a shitty handgun at the store as she pans over laser guns and a heavy

[shrewd rune]

Ngl the Enclave had that professionalism in the beginning, can’t wait see an Enclave Sweep. USA USA 🇺🇸

[small linden]

And why the fudge all the brotherhood knights using shitty machine guns ? No galting or plasmas?

[shrewd rune]

We all know the reason. TV show

[small linden]

In fact, where the paladins at??? Was this just a low tier brotherhood chapter with helicopters? Not a paladin in sight

[shrewd rune]

Well the Knights weren’t even from the local chapter but came with the reinforcements from the East

[small linden]

It's just confusing because the show and the elder kind of made it sound like they're it

[shrewd rune]

It does defacto treat them as the same but the Blimp and Vertibirds came from the East

[small linden]

OK good

[shrewd rune]

This chapter sucks ass though. Using Squires as fodder 💀

[small linden]

So imma assume the incompetence and shittiness just comes from the fact they're out there while the real brotherhood is doing cool stuff elsewhere

[small linden]

Chapter in shambles man, they died to a single ghoul

[hexed cosmos]

I mean isnt Head Cleric man wanting to make the brotherhood stronger and feels they've gotten too weak

[shrewd rune]

I mean to be fair after wiping out the NCR and winning the day

[small linden]

He said he wants to start anew lol he's like that one Veronica questline

[shrewd rune]

The main force didn’t even arrive yet either. That was just 5 Vertibirds with 7 more and the Blimp on the way

[autumn sundial]

Just watched some episodes again and you can see a plasma rifle behind Ma June in her shop in Filly

[bright badge]

There's no real BOS, they're all different chapters interpreting the codex different

[small linden]

I'm just saying the one from the show seems wack

[bright badge]

Bos generally tend to be tbf

[runic shuttle]

idk whats happening but the show was amazing, cant believe were gonna see nv in the next season since thats how the clif hanger ended 😭

[kindred solar]

So why did hank agree to the tradedeal with moldaver at all if they knew each other?

[uneven badger]

Hmmmmmmm, from what I understood they were only communicating via terminal messages, so maybe he didn’t know her name at first

Also the whole, vault tec dropped the bombs thing is today breaking my brain

I love the way their going with it though

[bright badge]

I think it's implied they didn't do anything to stop it as opposed to directly doing it tbh

[uneven badger]

Ohhhhhh ok

[rare acorn]

Wdym implied, Coops wife literally says we drop the bomb ourselves

That being said they could also just secretly make China launch nukes through trickery starting the war in that way it wouldn't even contradict the games

[small linden]

So, Vault Tec dropped the bombs - NCR is gone - and New Vegas is fucked?

Is that pretty much it?

[dry barn]

No?

Where are you guys getting the idea that new vegas was retconned when in reality it just canonized one of the endings

There are two theories that I know of

first: 2277 marks the beginning of the fall of shady sands (it started to decline) because we don’t see a date under the mushroom cloud. It’s likely that they just either made it so it looks kind of confusing or did it intentionally

[small linden]

I don't think it canonized any ending because of the chalkboard, BUT the ending credits having crashed NCR Vertibirds and Czech Hedgehogs laying around + destroyed Securitrons... seems like the NCR and someone else was fighting in Vegas itself, either House the Legion or even an independent New Vegas?

[dry barn]

If the bomb dropped somewhere nearer to 2282 (AFTER new vegas) then the new vegas timeline is completely fine. Also lines up with the age of Lucy and Max who were both there as the bombs fell on shady sands

If the bomb did drop in 2277, that would give NCR four years to regroup if they didn’t already have an establishment in nevada beforehand, so again new vegas timeline is fine

[small linden]

Nope that doesn't work.

[dry barn]

Elaborate?

[small linden]

Shady Sands is mentioned a lot in New Vegas

Not in any way that suggests it's no longer there

So it's gotta be the first option

[dry barn]

i think that’s more plausible as well

[small linden]

After New Vegas - Shady Sands got nuked by Vault-Tec

I think we already understand at this point what happened to the NCR

I wanna know what happened to Vegas - place looks like a goddamn warzone

[dry barn]

Because again, Lucy and Max are roughly the same age (born in 76/77) and were both about 6-7 when it was destroyed

[dry barn]

I think it canonized either yesman or house ending for nv. We don’t know exactly what happened to new vegas after the events of fnv

[small linden]

Actually to be honest it could be either ending - all we see is Vegas as a war zone, NCR vertibirds and securitrons laying around doesn't actually tell us who controlled New Vegas by the end of the game.

What does concern me is how barren New Vegas looks at the ending scene.

[dry barn]

right

[small linden]

It's not supposed to look that way right? It's just Vegas - in the game there's a hell of a lot of things surrounding it.

I think either New Vegas ended with the NCR ending, and when Vault Tec sniffed around and found out about them they nuked everything NCR.

[dry barn]

Yeah we don’t know much, i mean the show does take place like 15 years after the events of fnv.

[warm ermine]

Did you see their birth year mentioned somewhere?

[small linden]

or the show is just lazy with the enviornment

[small linden]

dude when I saw Shady Sands was a fucking crater I literally thought the canon Lonesome Road ending was Nuke NCR or both

yoooo hold on

[dry barn]

all we have is assumption based on their appearance and known dates. They look in there early 20’s by 96 which would make them born around 76.

[small linden]

remember the NCR guy in New Vegas

[dry barn]

And around 6 or 7 in shady sands

[warm ermine]

Bleh. I'm trying to find it confirmed somewhere lol

[small linden]

that asks you questions in Freeside to see if you're an NCR citizen?

[warm ermine]

Thought maybe you saw a date

[small linden]

So you can get a free meal or whatever for that quest with the kings?

[dry barn]

well all we have right now is appearances. Hope we get a confirmed age for season 2.

[warm ermine]

Yeah or an interview where they casually mention their age

[small linden]

was

Maybe Shady Sands really did fall before New Vegas and we just didn't really realise it?

I guess we'll just have to wait until a new season comes out to find out

[dry barn]

To me the first theory just makes the most sense, I doubt they’d add another arrow pointing to the mushroom cloud if it didn’t mean another time skip.

[small linden]

It's just weird and misleading since there's no year underneath the mushroom cloud - unlike every other event.

I literally wojaked when I saw New Vegas

[warm ermine]

it seems most likely they left it empty on purpose to gather intrigue

[small linden]

Probably

[warm ermine]

and for the same reason there isnt even a whiff of how old max and lucy are

[small linden]

I guess we should've known it was Vault-Tec that fired off the first nuke all along - it was literally the main plot twist for two different cancelled fallout entries.

[warm ermine]

All we know is that it was bombed when lucy was 6 or younger

[small linden]

I guess

[warm ermine]

we also know the year that hank was promoted from vault 31

[small linden]

2268

[small linden]

Well

It's probably reasonable to assume that since they get married off the moment they leave the Cryochamber, they'd probably have had lucy almost immediately right?

[warm ermine]

maybe

that wouldnt work for time

lucy was 6 or less when shady sands got bombed

[small linden]

So assuming it's like a year later and Lucy is born - 2269 - Lucy would be 8 years old by 2277 which looks about right to when we see her in the flashbacks in Shady Sands.

[small linden]

how do we know that?

[warm ermine]

because she said she thought up until she was 6 that the thing her mom brought her to was the real sun

[rare acorn]

Imo the downfall of shady sands is what the intro NV mentions when it talks about NCR spreading out to find resources

[warm ermine]

and she flashed back to her at shady sands, which based on what moledaver said about the mom taking her kids there, that was the only time she was there

so when she was 6 and up she hadnt seen it anymore, since she realized the vault sun was what she thought she saw before

[small linden]

ohh

yeah makes sense

[warm ermine]

I've been analyzing a lot lol

"was the real sun" is what came next

and based on the quotes at the end she was only in shady sands the one time, before hank came to take them

[small linden]

yeah

I guess we just don't know when Shady Sands gets nuked.

[warm ermine]

so if it was really bombed in 2277, the latest lucy could have been born was 2271

thats why I'm scouring for confirmation on age

[small linden]

I still don't understand what's up with the NCR

Shady Sands is gone sure, what about the rest? Picked off by BoS maybe?

And what about Vegas? oh my god I can't wait for a second season I'm literally dying to know what happened.

Yo imagine this is a setup to a New Vegas 2 game or something?

[rare acorn]

Well capital is shady sands so you can assume all the main decision makers are there and then basically it's a case of cutting the head off the snake and the body dies

Leaders gone, now you got a bunch of independent states

[small linden]

That doesn't make much sense though, there's so many NCR politicians and military outside of Shady Sands - in fact mostly outside of Shady Sands. Sure maybe the President and the big wig leaders were in Shady Sands?

But the rest still exist and they can't just ignore their existence and handwave it - at least I hope they don't?

NCR had 400,000 citizens - there were 38,000~ in Shady sands at the time according to the sign.

There's at least 360,000 remaining citizens of the NCR and we did see a few of them at the observitory at the end of the show

I'm wondering what the hell the BoS was doing at Shady Sands when it got nuked? A search party? seeing what's going on? Maybe they were involved?

[rare acorn]

Vault tec nuked it

[small linden]

You think Vault-Tec nuked the rest of the NCR?

[rare acorn]

Bos just there to pick up young impressionable recruits and technology

[small linden]

yeah probably

[rare acorn]

Idk because moldover is active

And there's that scene where NCR Rangers capture the ghoul

[small linden]

They weren't NCR rangers

[rare acorn]

Also the scene where a Veteran ranger and his sons

[small linden]

They were just a gang

But yeah there is a whole ass village of Veteran Rangers

[rare acorn]

Wasn't it just 3 guys

[small linden]

Just farming lead - whatever that even means.

[rare acorn]

I don't remember that scene tbh

[small linden]

No it was pretty explicilty multiple people

I'm pretty sad that the NCR is gone

[rare acorn]

Could literally be a 76 reference

[small linden]

It feels cheap - right now at least.

[rare acorn]

Where we can set up lead extractors

[small linden]

Just wiping away the biggest most advanced faction in post-post-apocalyptic America

Like the entire point of Fallout is how the world moves on after the post-apocalypse, and how everything gets rebuilt and whatnot.

It just feels like Bathesda wants to wipe it out for the sake of "muh world never changes - wasteland and wood shacks an shiieeeet"

[rare acorn]

Maybe this is why Todd Howard told Chris avelone to remove the line in NV about San Francisco being nuked by enclave

[small linden]

What line lmfao?

[rare acorn]

It was cut from NV there's a line from an NPC that mentions the enclave nuking San Francisco after we blow up the oil rig

[small linden]

daaaamn

alright

[rare acorn]

Todd wanted it cut because he wanted to do stuff with the west and I think that could be what it was

[small linden]

I do wonder what's happening with San Fransico and the Hub and whatnot

Nothing but "Filly"

Why not just use Junktown or something?

[rare acorn]

BOS also own filly now

[small linden]

It's so weird that we literally see nothing from the old games considering this takes place in California

[rare acorn]

Pretty sure they killed everyone in filly

[small linden]

Which - that's weird right?

Why did they do that? and why now?

[rare acorn]

I bet that's where the airship is docking

[small linden]

yeah the airship

You guys think the Midwestern BoS came to play?

[odd marsh]

Because the show happens within a very limited space, so we don't get to see the entirety of cali

[small linden]

Has to be right? Considering there's a whole ass Airship

[small linden]

I really have no idea how to feel about this show so far

[rare acorn]

No the elders in episode 2 or whatever that has the ship first show up says it was sent by the Highest Clerics in the Commonwealth

[odd marsh]

The airship is the Prydwen 🥹

[small linden]

It could be good but it could also be very very bad depending on what they plan on doing with the NCR and Vegas

[small linden]

I mean is it though?

[rare acorn]

Kinda interesting they use Clerics as a rank now

The ship was called Caswenan from some thing we got pre release of the show

[small linden]

yeah see it's a whole new Airship

so it probably IS the Midwestern BoS right?

I mean how could the BoS still be in California at all? Didn't they get wiped out by the NCR or the Enclave or something?

I know the NCR and Mojave BoS went to war but I can't quite remember much about the Californian BoS

[rare acorn]

I mean the show says it's from the Commonwealth

[odd marsh]

No, the article was wrong. It's the Prydwen. Hold on.

[odd marsh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c1xpht/the_name_of_the_airship_in_episode_1_of_the_new/

[small linden]

There are 13 commonwealths in the US in the Fallout Universe

From what I remember

[warm ermine]

are they all referred to as "the commonwealth"? Because that generally is reserved for boston

[small linden]

Well is it really reserved for Boston or did we only really see it being used in Fallout 4 and that's why we associate it with Boston?

Because "The highest clerics in the Commonwealth" could just mean the highest clerics around

Notice how it's also "the Commonwealth" and not "The Commonwealth"

[odd marsh]

Eastern BoS was in the Commonwealth - Boston - last we see them, so it's not a stretch to think they come from there.

[small linden]

I'm pretty sure that the only real reason that Boston is referred to is "The Commonwealth" is because... what else could it be called really?

[rare acorn]

The airship is called the prydwen...... They're definitely referring to Boston as the Commonwealth

[small linden]

In Fallout 1 and 2 it's just "The Wasteland" if I'm not mistaken

[small linden]

In Fallout 3 it's the Capital Wasteland because it's the Capital obviously

Fallout New Vegas is the Mojave Wasteland because well it's the Mojave

What else would they have been able to call Boston in universe?

[rare acorn]

Highest clerics of Boston just don't roll off the tongue quite the same

[small linden]

Yeah but they really could've made it more clear

The Commonwealth can refer to the local Commonwealth or The Commonwealth of Boston.

[rare acorn]

If they wanted to be clear they would have put the date on the mushroom cloud in the classroom, instead of being ambiguous

[warm ermine]

seems really unlikely they'd refer to another place as the commonwealth

[rare acorn]

I agree

[small linden]

maybe

Maybe the BoS really just up and completely fused back together?

[rare acorn]

Commonwealth was a prewar government thing, it's very unlikely that multiple places go by that name, Boston probably kept it because well they have a lot of history involved with that kind of stuff

[small linden]

Yeah maybe

[rare acorn]

I swear in the Filly town gunfight episode there's a dude using an M1a1 carbine as a bolt action

[rare acorn]

Also the BOS elder mentions them having once ruled the wasteland

[opal plinth]

Dude

that end scene

I watched the entire show with my friend, we both freaked out when we saw ||New Vegas|| in the distance

[rare acorn]

Did you keep watching when the credits start

[regal carbon]

then it would have said the highest clerics from the every commonwealth or commonwealths

but it clearly pointing to the commonwealth

like why would they call a random place that likely have a different name the commonwealth

[bright badge]

They're all commonwealths but they have unique names

[regal carbon]

like you dont call the mojave wasteland the southwest commonwealth

[bright badge]

Like the four states commonwealth iirc

[regal carbon]

also Appalachia region is likely the Appalachian commonwealth

[mellow depot]

Was new vegas at the end of ep.8?

[regal carbon]

but yeah the places that once were commonwealths dont really go by commonwealth anymore aside one one place

[regal carbon]

yup

[mellow depot]

Ok

[regal carbon]

so it makes the most sense when they are talking about the clerics of the commonwealth they mean Massachusetts aka the commonwealth

[mellow depot]

Wait so the bos started in the commonwealth and then went all the way to mojave wasteland

[regal carbon]

different chapters working together

[mellow depot]

Wdym?

[regal carbon]

the BOS started in california

[mellow depot]

Oh ok

[regal carbon]

and the mojave lads started before the east coast BOS

[mellow depot]

I have only played fo4

[regal carbon]

but at the time of the show the east coast BOS/commonwealth BOS are the most powerful likely

[mellow depot]

So i dont know much about the other games

So im guessing the series takes place after fo4.

[regal carbon]

i think 9 years after

[bright badge]

Decade later

[mellow depot]

Ah ok

I loved the codsworth reference tho

[regal carbon]

codsworth reference?

[mellow depot]

In one of the previous episodes

[bright badge]

Aren't all handys called a variation of -worth tbf

[regal carbon]

only know of two tbh

the one in 3 that is your guy in megaton and codsworth

tho worth is a referance to butlers

[mellow depot]

Cooper was with this man in a yellow suit and he said something along the lines if “im codsworth and im proud to serve” not exactly that but something simmilar, my memory is crap

[rare acorn]

Yea also the ship is literally the prydwen

I wonder if Maxson is aboard it

[warm ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/QZcIYLQ.jpeg

sad to realize this is not a working map coordinate

[regal carbon]

Prydwen looks different to the ship we see in game

[rare acorn]

Wdym

[regal carbon]

Likely the Prydwen became a class of airship

[rare acorn]

It looks the same to me

[regal carbon]

Not really

[rare acorn]

What do you mean not really

[regal carbon]

Compared both the prydewn and this ship both are different

[regal carbon]

The prydwen has less of those square things

And each letter in the other ship is on its own square

[rare acorn]

Maybe

[regal carbon]

The prydwen looks more professional made

[rare acorn]

It's also a different artist team remaking it so it's not going to be 1 to 1 plus it's 9 years later it probably got lots of upgrades and repairs, and maybe the entire reason they wanted the cold fusion tech was for powering the prydwen lol

Beryllium agitator gave out

Did anyone see a Fatman launcher in the show?

[warm ermine]

I think it looks almost exactly the same

with some obvious slight difference to game to show translation

[opal plinth]

Do you think Maxon was on it in the show?

[solar turret]

Nah y would Maxon leave east coast if he’s alive. Maybe after 10-20 years once things stabilized or they finished looting

[crisp gorge]

There's only 1 cold fusion...particle? reactor? cylinder? And Moldaver already got it hooked up to LA's power grid. So if the Prydwen is one ship, i don't see a way to shutdown the reactor, land the ship and transfer the tech to it. The problem becomes even worse if you have multiple Prydwen-class airships. What, it dragging a giant ass cable around to power it? Also also, how does cold fusion power a combustion engine?

[rare acorn]

I meant the reason why the Bos was chasing it, obviously those plans changed after it's used by moldaver

Although it's also possible they were chasing the enclave guy simply cuz he was an enclave guy

But they knew of the chip in his head and had a gun specifically for finding it

[crisp gorge]

Don't think the device is specifically for finding the dude. It's just a directed Geiger counter, and they use it to track Cooper, not the Enclaver

[rare acorn]

No I'm talking about the one the guy with the Bos cleric/elder is using

When maximus presents the fake head

It scans the head and they find no signal

[warm ermine]

they said relic not detected

guessing it was scanning for tech

[rare acorn]

I like the cool tech they had in the show, I think it's actually a lot closer to Tim Cain's vision for the games than we know

Like the girl with the robot voice

And the big metal foot

Definitely feels like the show was made by a real fan of the games

[crisp gorge]

Also, kinda funny that Moldaver's NCR somehow found some RPDs while there are no Garands, M14s or M16s to be found. The show is set in LA, well within range of the Gun Runners and they are NCR, why would they ditch their service rifle?

[rare acorn]

The BARs were nice to see too

[rare acorn]

Maybe when shady sands got nuked somehow that just completely destroyed their supply line of equipment, but also I have a feel that maybe Moldaver's group isn't representative of the actual NCR and are more like NCR extremists in a splinter faction

Especially with that flame mother shit

[warm ermine]

smh cadillac bob

[rare acorn]

Lmaoooo the anti communism humour is actually great, it's not racist cuz it doesn't matter on people's color it's more like McCarthyism

[regal carbon]

Maybe they needed more firepower that the m16 and garands couldn't provide

[rare acorn]

Thought it was funny in episode 1 when those guys call Coop a pinko

[warm ermine]

It was discussed earlier about how they just kind of sneak in the communism stuff without specifically referring to the chinese

I guess that does feel safer for tv

[rare acorn]

Yea it's better that way anyways cuz Communism isn't about being Chinese

Although the games were racist with it

[warm ermine]

the games dont really hide away from it yeah, thats how it was back then though

[rare acorn]

Chinese people constantly harrassed by the government prewar

It's more realistic cuz they'd definitely do that irl but I can see why they can't show that on tv

[warm ermine]

me in game talking to npcs who refuse to talk

[rare acorn]

I thought all of the humour was good

I don't remember anything making me cringe, definitely a few shock value jokes like the pregnant girls water breaking and Lucy n maximus sexual exchange lol was so funny

I didn't think there was going to be any real nudity in the show so that also caught me off guard when suddenly just people started stripping and the camera doesn't look away

[cerulean coral]

Well, after spending all night binging the entire show

I can confidently say that it was AMAZING

||I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEW VEGAS||

[cerulean coral]

Yeah, overall a great show

I went into it thinking it'd be super unfaithful, and would feel like someone who has never played Fallout sorta describing it to you, but nah, it was great

the details were right, the characters were fleshed out and felt like actual people, the factions, while not super full of depth, have a lot of groundwork to be super interesting in Season 2

And the creative liberties were nice as well

I'm honestly really excited for what's coming next, I hope it's soon ngl

[wintry linden]

Time zones 🤯

[cerulean coral]

||Now, if they DON'T give us a season 2, and instead give us a game that takes place in New Vegas again, I wouldn't complain.||

Not gonna happen, but hey, a man can dream

[somber drum]

I was hoping fallout 5 would pick up after season 2, that's would be sweet

[hexed cosmos]

Favorite episodes of the show?

[small linden]

episodes 1

[final gale]

Probably 2 and 8. Loved the western vibe in 2, and Filly was really cool. And 8 with the big BoS/NCR battle, the prewar revelations, the ending. Really awesome !

[clear iron]

Episode 7

[elder lava]

The outro + Mr House of the last episode gave me goosebumps.

[lost wedge]

Sounds like you and I were watching different shows, get with the program! 😜
He clearly wasn't rando aiming, demonstrated super speed before, special penetration ammunition,
200+ years experience with PA and jacked on chems. 🎉
Let's hope that was a joke, not false equivalency. 😅

[hollow gate]

That was

[lost wedge]

Synth lore has always been broken to me because of all the scanners.
The whole "you can only tell if you kill them first to find a chip" has always seemed like
bullbuggers. 😱

[hollow gate]

Interested in seeing how they handle NewVegas

[lost wedge]

Outside was pretty clear but inside NV was hard due to direction and angle.
I couldn't believe we got to see GoodSprings and Mohave Outpost! 🫶

[hollow gate]

The end credits give a small story of its own

Indicating a lot of shit went down in New Vegas presumably after the PC Courier left.

Which tracks, without the PCs holding things together in their main games, things might just go to shit.

[small linden]

PC?

[clear iron]

playable character

[hollow gate]

I have a feeling Thaddeus is going to be a supermutant.

And yeah, playable character, the main protags from the games.

[small linden]

Ghoul or supermutant yeah

[sturdy bone]

I'd guess some kinda super mutant

[hexed cosmos]

is it weird that I keep forgetting Wilzig's name and instinctively call him Wizpig

[clear iron]

I just keep calling him enclave doctor

[fluid basin]

HOLY SHIT1

That was a good final.

I wonder how far that power will keep lighting up until BoH unplug it to "save the world"

Are those all the completed vaults?

[hexed cosmos]

Why does southern Texas get so many

[short dagger]

There’s a strong US military presence in Texas, it’s also the second-most populated state in the country, and San Antonio, Austin, and Houston are all within (relatively) close proximity of each other

[sturdy bone]

Texas is a massive industrial hub too

[fluid basin]

I wonder if Fallout 5 will be in Texas?

With Dlc to New orlean?

[sturdy bone]

ehhhh fuck texas. Let's get something on the border of canada

or PNW

[short dagger]

I wouldn’t be opposed to PNW, would be nice

[sturdy bone]

I like how oregon has like no vaults lmao

[hollow gate]

San Antonio was home to a lot of Air Force bases we still have a lot but not as many as we did back in the day.

[sturdy bone]

That looks like it's portland, redmond, and just north of seattle

[hollow gate]

Fort Sam Houston, Kelly Air Field (AFB), Randolph Air Field (AFB), Lackland AFB is where the air force has basic training. WWII San Marcos, TX was home to Gary Edwards Army Base/Camp. There's also Stinson Air Field.

So San Antonio having at least one vault makes sense, there's also a naval air station/coast guard station in Corpus Christi which I think i spot a vault somewhere near Corpus.

[quartz pendant]

Why are people saying FoNV was retconned?

[quartz pendant]

Lackland is the only base that houses USAF Basic Training

What I don’t understand is how Michigan only has one and it’s not near Detroit

[hollow gate]

Because New Vegas has gone dark from what we can see, but also by nuking Shady Sands in 2277 it makes it so that the FoNV game doesn't comment on that event happening. Which is a bit paradoxal but it at least gives way to reasons for a remaster.

[sturdy bone]

Shady sands wasn't nuked in 2277 lmao

Get better media literacy for the love of fucking god plz

[hollow gate]

I mean you could be more civil about it.

[quartz pendant]

Ok chill dude

Don’t be a dick

[hollow gate]

There's absolutely no reason to be rude, or foam at the mouth.

[short dagger]

They didn’t say when SS got nuked, which is strange to think about logically, you’d think it would be a key date to know historically

[sturdy bone]

It's like the 10th time i've seen that because people don't understand flow charts are sequential steps which means the fall and the nuke have to be entirely seperated events.

[quartz pendant]

You still don’t need to be a dick

[hollow gate]

This still sounds like a you problem.

[quartz pendant]

[short dagger]

I didn’t even notice that, weird

[hollow gate]

https://www.pcgamer.com/movies-tv/in-which-i-mostly-debunk-the-latest-fallout-controversy-that-claims-todd-howard-used-the-fallout-show-to-retcon-non-bethesda-fallout-games/

Yeah m'bad, it just points to the explosion but doesn't say when that happens.

[short dagger]

Looks like it’s closer to Grand Rapids

[quartz pendant]

It’s not even near anything (in the real world) that is even remotely important , other than Grand Rapids but I mean, unless vault tec had some vested interest, isn’t important

[hollow gate]

So it could've been after the Courier leaves New Vegas, given that Lucy and Max had been in Shady Sands before means it is relatively recent.

[quartz pendant]

Lucy is only what… mid 20s?

[sturdy bone]

Lucy/Max are like early/mid 20s and in the flashbacks like 8-10 which would place the bombings 82-85ish

[quartz pendant]

There’s our answer

How the fuck does Grand Junction have a vault but Detroit doesn’t

[hollow gate]

Without the protagonists of the games holding things together, factions looking to off each other would take the opportunity to do so.

[quartz pendant]

And why does middle of nowhere Canada have one

Bc that ain’t Winnipeg

[hollow gate]

I think the US took parts of Canada during one of the wars.

[short dagger]

Looks like saskatchewan

[hollow gate]

Canada, referred to as Little America by many Americans before the Great War, was a pre-War country in North America, annexed by the United States on June 3, 2072 for its vast natural resources.

[quartz pendant]

But still, why would this area have a vault

And not Detroit? 😭

[hollow gate]

As far as I can see there are military installions almost anywhere else but Detroit.

[quartz pendant]

The Detroit Arsenal?

[shrewd rune]

lol I guess Detroit went through the same decline in fallout too

[hollow gate]

Clearly was repurposed for something else.

[quartz pendant]

Where the army makes tanks 😭

[hollow gate]

Yeah I thought the Arsenal too but

Yeah, Detroit being in decline no matter what universe.

[quartz pendant]

Either way, it can still be assumed Detroit was a manufacturing powerhouse

[quartz pendant]

I mean racism existed in fallout too

[short dagger]

That map of vaults seems like they marked the vaults in the games on the map and then just closed their eyes and threw darts for the rest

[hollow gate]

Sort of yeah.

[quartz pendant]

But even leaving Detroit out of the argument

Why here?? 😭

[hollow gate]

I am hoping we get more settings/cities with the show than we're afforded with the games. Would be cool to see other wasteland cities, beyond what we can explore in the games.

[quartz pendant]

The only thing I can think about is there are a few Canadian Forces bases around there

But they are all extremely small

[short dagger]

I’m not sure the show would do the cities justice, since they would only really depict what’s necessary to advance the storyline

[regal carbon]

only closest CAF base is CFB Winnipeg

[quartz pendant]

I’d love to see the Midwest as it’s reported to be relatively unscathed

[quartz pendant]

RCAF Rivers

[regal carbon]

that is not a military base

[quartz pendant]

Oh wait it closed

[regal carbon]

was once in the 40s

[quartz pendant]

1971

[regal carbon]

good point

[short dagger]

Agreed

[fluid basin]

I bet you that the creator of the New Vegas didn't think there would be a tv show on fallout world. Hence no mention of it. Also, it's unavoidable for franchises that existed for decades to avoid retcon at all. Star Trek and Star Wars have same problem, and guess what people got over it.

[fluid basin]

Wont it be better to compared to 1950s military bases?

[bright badge]

Weird how people forget that

They expect perfection

[fiery phoenix]

Doesn't changing the yesr of the show fix all this

[bright badge]

It's already fine

Like legitimately it's from people not understanding how arrows work

[fiery phoenix]

Yeah nah I havnt played 1 and 2 but people seemed to dwell on shady sands

[odd marsh]

I spent the past three days explaining arrrows.

I'm tired, boss.

[fiery phoenix]

Let's talk about thumbs instead

[bright badge]

You need to understand a lot of fallout fans... Are idiots

[fluid basin]

Guess what? I didnt give a fucking shit about Shady sands location or it being nuked.

And I still enjoy the show anyway.

[fiery phoenix]

Is it my thumb or yours

[bright badge]

It's inevitable it would be, fallouts main theme is self destruction

[fluid basin]

I find New Vegas game boring.

[hollow gate]

Yeah but I'm not from Michigan so I have no idea what their installations are like, I could comment on Texas because I'm from there. Also, I'm not upset over any retcons. I was just making a statement.

[shrewd rune]

I mean people still constantly complain about the Sequels lol

[fiery phoenix]

Is there a gif for horseriding away from 5 nukes

[fluid basin]

Fuck yes, they think Todd is out to kill anything to do with New Vegas which sounds like a cult bullshit.

[sturdy bone]

The fact that after so many games a lot of them still haven't picked up on the whole "capitalism bad, vault-tech helped drop bombs" theme that's alluded/point blank is most games is uh, saying a lot.

[fluid basin]

Wait, there should be bases in detiort as well!

[hollow gate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fluid basin]

There is one nearby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfridge_Air_National_Guard_Base

[hollow gate]

How dare someone have a conversation with another person, oh no.

[fiery phoenix]

It was unkown before now confirmed as vault tec

[livid torrent]

ok how close to the lore is that vault-tec dropped the bomb themselves?

[sturdy bone]

It's oddly something that's found in a lot of sci-fi fandoms lately.

Star Trek's show runners are perpetually persecuted by a large part of the fanbase

[bright badge]

Cause you can't compete with their fictionalised idea of what the ip is

[livid torrent]

anybody can share their insights

[sturdy bone]

... It's spot on. It was always hinted at in the games they had a huge part in the bombings

[bright badge]

It's why nolan said that he wasn't making the series for the fans

[fiery phoenix]

The funny thing is it seems everytime there's any kind of civilisation they drop more bombs

[bright badge]

Human nature tbf

[livid torrent]

nice

[fiery phoenix]

OK funny might be the wrong word

[short dagger]

Been a popular theory for years, I always preferred it to stay ambiguous, though

Not surprised they went that route in the show

[bright badge]

You can take it a few ways tbh

[livid torrent]

mfs lmao if the lore is well connected, i loved the show

[fluid basin]

Yeah, and yet people still watch it. They think shit should remain the same forever and forever with no changes at all. I bet you that if they keep Fallout as a role-playing video game , fallout will be a niche community, maybe dead by thne.

[bright badge]

They're always complicit though

[odd marsh]

tbf they suggest dropping the bomb themselves

but we don't know who dropped the bomb still

[fiery phoenix]

War. War never changes

[shrewd rune]

^

[bright badge]

Then they complain Bethesda don't take risks

[sturdy bone]

Even if they didn't drop it, they had a huge hand in creating them in the first place and why the vault tec logo is on the bomb in megaton

[livid torrent]

i mean yea but since vault-tec people were such an asshole and they did talk about all those experiments, i would go with them dropping the bomb

[fiery phoenix]

All the corps were involved

[hollow gate]

Yeah, all the experiments, in the different vaults.

[sturdy bone]

Also apparently the enclave hijacked vault-tec pre-war if wikis are to be trusted

[fiery phoenix]

Vault tech mearly suggested the idea

[fluid basin]

YES!

[sturdy bone]

Ongoing drills in completed Vaults slowly created a cry wolf effect: Turnouts for the drills fell as the years went on, limiting the Vaults' future role in ensuring the survival of humanity.[Non-game 9] However, even if they didn't, the shadow government decided against Vaults being shelters for preserving humanity.[Non-game 13] After establishing control over Project Safehouse, they subverted it to their own ends. Rather than act to save humanity, Vaults were built to test their population as part of the Societal Preservation Program.[28] Only 17 of the Vaults were designed to work properly as control Vaults.[29] The 105 other Vaults featured a variety of scenarios, ranging from annoying to downright lethal, to gauge how humans acted in these scenarios for their own, nefarious purposes.[Non-game 14] Some were not provided with enough food synthesizer for their population, others had only men in them, or were designed to open prematurely. The purpose of this experiment was to gather data for the Enclave's own projects, the exact purpose of which is unclear.[30]

[fiery phoenix]

Noob question but what's the timeline change so that the great war doesn't happen until 2077

[livid torrent]

i mean, it is safe to assume they did it.

[sturdy bone]

It always happened in october 2077?

[fiery phoenix]

So it's our history still

But then in 2077 there's a nuclear war

[sturdy bone]

It's a retro-futuristic society that didn't invent transistors. They deviate from our own global history by a long shot for over 100 years

[fiery phoenix]

Thankyou

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-vault-boy-fallout-gif-20127287

[quartz pendant]

That’s a guard/reserve base

[fiery phoenix]

Did anyone else hold thier thumb to the screen

[quartz pendant]

No

[dusk fog]

It says prydwen on the airship lol

[regal carbon]

Both are different ships in construction

And the prydwen might have become a class

[shrewd rune]

We can’t say for sure yet , the show itself never does

[fluid basin]

Oh oops

[shrewd rune]

It’s evident those BoS forces came from the East though

[fluid basin]

I mean if you are on phone, nuke will be smaller. 🤔

[fiery phoenix]

Yeah I dieded

[shrewd rune]

Glad to get that validation I was right all those months ago 😎

[sturdy bone]

Do classes of ships usually cary the name of the class it is?

[regal carbon]

Not that I know of

But the bos could operate differently

[odd marsh]

It's really easier to explain that it's the Prydwen rather than assuming the BoS has begun to churn out new airships like that

[sturdy bone]

Then I'd say it's highly unlikely that's whats going on

[regal carbon]

Well this ship is off less professional build then the prydwen

[sturdy bone]

How can you make that claim when the only other time it's seen is in FO4 9 years before the show?

wear and tare happens

[regal carbon]

And random sheets of metal wielded to form massive plates to make the ship don't also

[sturdy bone]

Oh no it's not the exact same model as in FO4 clearly it must be different!

[bright badge]

It's a different ship, was confirmed

There's nothing to argue about

[sturdy bone]

Citation needed

[regal carbon]

If it was the prydwen why not use a updated fallout 4 model

Why change it so much

[bright badge]

Just google it

[sturdy bone]

Those looks pretty much the same to me dude

[regal carbon]

It doesn't

[bright badge]

Legit just google it

[sturdy bone]

For a game that couldn't introduce more polygons for realism / limitations of a console it sure as fuck does

[sturdy bone]

The name "Caswennan" is an alternative name used in some versions of the Arthurian legend for the ship sailed by King Arthur, more commonly known as the Prydwen.

Dunno if it's really confirmed or more a deflection to keep people guessing at the plot when the trailer was released

But it says Prydwen on the hull sooo

[bright badge]

It'd be used because it's also an airship

[bright badge]

Send the screengrab

[shrewd rune]

Yeah that article isn’t hard proof. It’s never named in the show so it’s open to debate

[bright badge]

Considering the information comes from the production team though

[shrewd rune]

That said it’s been 9 years after 4, that means the BoS could have built 2 more ships in the meanwhile

[sturdy bone]

From before the show offically released

[regal carbon]

It took 10 to make the prydwen

[bright badge]

NCRs gone so it's not impossible

[shrewd rune]

6

[regal carbon]

So another could be produced

[sturdy bone]

NCR isn't gone lmao. They expanded up to oregon. They're just not in SoCal

[shrewd rune]

2 to design, 4 to build.

[fiery phoenix]

Idk if the writers went this deep into ship lore

[shrewd rune]

Probably not tbf

[opal hawk]

i think they just changed Caswennans name back to Prydwen

sorry I cannot write that lol

[sturdy bone]

im tryna edit the color levels of it but you can clearly see the N in the last panel before the BOS Logo

That's also one panel per letter of prydwen

[opal hawk]

that literally says Prydwen

[bright badge]

It's too blurred to read anything in full

[warm ermine]

That’s a bad photo

It does say prydwen

[sturdy bone]

Well it's def one letter per panel and that's not enough panels for the name caswennan

[shrewd rune]

Yeah that literally says Prydwen

[opal hawk]

yes

[regal carbon]

Also another point is why send Arthur's airship to the west

[opal hawk]

cause they have only 1? and they need transportation

[shrewd rune]

I’m starting to think them not confirming canon endings was cap

[regal carbon]

Why not just make another

[sturdy bone]

So after FO4 they're supposed to have magically gotten all the supplies needed to make another airship and still create power amour/weapons for all their soldiers?

[long valve]

Caswennan is a separate ship

[shrewd rune]

Again we can’t prove that

[regal carbon]

They did it before 4 happened

[opal hawk]

maybe they dont have enough resources or time? we also don't know what canon ending Fallout 4 has, maybe they are retreating cause BoS in FO4 is no more? TV adapation is 9 years after FO4

[shrewd rune]

Preproduction info isn’t canon to what’s shown in the finished show. Until a dev or the show clarifies it’s up in the air

Just like so many other things

[regal carbon]

Took 6 years to build the prydwen

Including planning

[sturdy bone]

6 years with resources they had on hand. Who said they have enough to make another?

[regal carbon]

They had to find the resources

[opal hawk]

it took 6 years only because they had Dr. Li and Enclave Technology

[sturdy bone]

That's my fucking point. Just because they could do it once in a short time frame doesn't mean they'll be lucky again

So 6 years for one might be 10 years for a second one

[shrewd rune]

Doctor li left before they started building the Prydwen

[sturdy bone]

or maybe even never for a second one

[fluid basin]

Many flat screens tv look the same nowadays, but it didn't meant it's all the same brand.

[regal carbon]

The scribes likely planned the prydwen

[sturdy bone]

Most flat screens don't need to have their polygon count adjusted so it can be rendered on a console lmao

[shrewd rune]

Yeah it’s a completely BoS original invention

[regal carbon]

The scribes are known to make weapons plans and such

[opal hawk]

guys, let's not forget that Brotherhood had airships in Fallout Tactics -

[shrewd rune]

Always have since Fallout 1 yeah. The Super sledge in fallout 1 was made by the BoS

[shrewd rune]

Kells specifically says the Prydwen is far more advanced and better than those ones

[opal hawk]

of course, but i'm just saying that they could have built Prydwen from EXISTING airship zeppelin

[shrewd rune]

No he says the BoS had none when they started working on the Prydwen nor have they for quite some time

[sturdy bone]

The Caswennan was prob just the production name used by the people making the models for prydwen as is the norm for film production type shit

[shrewd rune]

Reminder Lyons walked to the East Coast from the west . All the eastern BoS knows by the time of fallout 4 is that the BoS used to have old less advanced blimps

Not saying this prevents this from being a new ship of course but it’s not tied to Tactics blimps

[opal hawk]

i've been thinking - if Vault Tec can destroy any faction, why didn't they destroy BoS yet? Why let them have so much power?

[shrewd rune]

Too mobile maybe now, too widespread

[opal hawk]

i mean, they can nuke Pentagon, which is Brotherhood HQ

Enclave could do it too

[sturdy bone]

Vault-Tech is the enclave

Well Enclave is vault-tec is a better way to put it

[shrewd rune]

Enclave didn’t want to destroy the pentagon in 3 that’s why they didn’t nuke the Citadel

[opal hawk]

but why? they could've saved themselves and taken control of DC

[shrewd rune]

Probably only nuked Liberty prime cause they had no choice. Same reason the covenant don’t Glass Areas with forerunner artifacts in Halo.

Symbolic meaning, data and tech stored there,who knows

[fluid basin]

I am surprised there is no vault under Pentagon

[quartz pendant]

The govt had their own bunkers and vaults (white springs for example)

They wouldn’t be on vault tec’s map

[fluid basin]

Ahh ok.

[humble rock]

So let me get this straight, did Bethesda just kill off literally one of the most iconic factions in all of gaming, OFFSCREEN?!

[sturdy bone]

No ffs

NCR was massive and spanned up to oregon

But because they don't show them still in socal they're just gone?

[humble rock]

Maybe.

[opal hawk]

their main capital? yes, but not the whole faction

[sturdy bone]

It wasn't even their main capital bruv. The sign in the show clearly said "the first capital" which means they had a second one by the time the bomb dropped

[humble rock]

Thing is the NCR also had a tenuous grip on the Boneyard even back at their peak

[opal hawk]

i think the show combined Boneyard and Shady Sands into 1

[humble rock]

So I guess I could buy it

[sturdy bone]

2277 = first battle of hoover damn = ncr overcomitting to the mojave = fall of shady sands

[opal hawk]

overcomitting to Mojave has nothing to do with Vault tec dropping a nuke on their capital tho..

[sturdy bone]

That's more or less how rome was starting to fall. too many conflicts, too much corruption

[sturdy bone]

Ffs Hank dropped that shit because Shady Sands started to get into Vault 31/32/33's water supply and drained it and because he hated his ex wife for leaving him (ig)

The bomb had to have gone off after 2281 because of how old lucy/max are in the flashbacks

[shrewd rune]

An Incel killed NCR, is what it is lmao

[sturdy bone]

Again, their capital was moved before the bomb dropped and expanded up to oregon.

How is it NCR was killed?

Just because they left socal != they died

[quartz pendant]

Not really no

[shrewd rune]

The show doesn’t reference that all or even refer to the NCR at all outside one name drop by Maximus, you are inferring with no evidence in a show that moved shady Sands to Los Angeles.

It remains to be seen all you people need to accept things are ambiguous right now and open to debate

[quartz pendant]

And I think white springs happened after the events of FoNV, right?

Or at the very least I’m guessing there wasn’t enough time for the news to get to new Vegas

[shrewd rune]

The Blimp, Madover, Shady sands, NCR, New Vegas it’s open to discussion right now both sides need to stop being radicalists

[sturdy bone]

They moved shady sands closer to LA because who wants to watch an entire episode of them just walking back and forth in the desert?

But what they DID do was say that shady sands was the first capital, which means there is definitely a second capital from before the bomb dropped.

That wording is way too specific

[quartz pendant]

I’d enjoy it

[shrewd rune]

They spend like 2 eps in the city, you could have the same ruined city vibe with Shady sands in its og location.

And for all we know Hank deployed multiple bombs since his goal is to destroy the factions , it remains to be seen

[humble rock]

I mean we all know the Legion probably is gone anyway.

[quartz pendant]

Womp womp

[quartz pendant]

Good

[little condor]

Though I doubt he'd waste a nuke on, say, Flagstaff. Whatever state the Legion is in, they're certainly not as much a threat to Vault-Tec's goals as the NCR.

[shrewd rune]

So yeah the capital may be different and it may be destroyed too. We don’t know

[humble rock]

I mean does the NCR even still have a prescence in the Boneyard or is that territory lost?

And given the state of the Republic, my guess is the canon ending for New Vegas is either Mr. House or Independent Vegas

[shrewd rune]

Well Madover lit up the whole city and before that we see BoS bombing all of Los Angeles in view so who knows

[humble rock]

The thing is how did the Lost Hills Brotherhood get so strong?

[odd marsh]

the East got strong and reunited with them

[little condor]

Reinforcements from the East Coast + whatever refugees from the NCR were willing to join up?

[quartz pendant]

Mr house is canon

[shrewd rune]

We don’t know which BoS this is, looks like a new Utah chapter

[sturdy bone]

Him being a character is canon.

His ending might not be

Independent vegas without upgraded securitons also seems likely

[shrewd rune]

The State of Lost Hills also remains to be seen. We don’t know the context of Maximus being saved by that Knight in the flashback

[lament folio]

doesnt the positive ncr ending in new vegas imply they are still too over stretched and corrupt to actually maintain control of that territory anyways?

[humble rock]

So, if anything of the NCR is left Hank McLean is a marked man for absolute certain

[little condor]

Doubly so for House if he's still kicking; Hank did just gut his meal ticket big-time, after all.

[quartz pendant]

How the hell can you make the entirety of new Vegas canon but also not tell us which ending is

This is what I hate. People using Twitter to change lore

It’s like jk Rowling

[opal hawk]

house is long dead, look at his broken securitrons and the whole vegas being in ruins.

[quartz pendant]

We should honestly ignore Emil’s twitter ramblings

[opal hawk]

Emil wrote that whole Fallout 3 destiny bullshit

[hexed cosmos]

I mean they're probably gonna explain it by Season 2 it was just a post season hook

[shrewd rune]

Not really no, Infact NCR has the most good ending for the wasteland

[humble rock]

I mean the man nuked their capital

[quartz pendant]

He’s acting like jk Rowling.

[opal hawk]

will we have to wait 5 years until Season 2 drops?

[hexed cosmos]

Maybe

[lament folio]

Sure it's a "good" ending but you're still told that the cattle barons run the ncr now and not the government. the president you empower is shown to be a corrupt idiot.

[little condor]

Ex-capital, though the point still stands. Hank's dang lucky the NCR's either too weak to sic Rangers on him or flat-out pooped the bed after Shady Sands went boom.

[sturdy bone]

They're aiming to make no solid reference to any game ending being canon

[shrewd rune]

The most factions and settlements get good endings with the NCR ending and if you spare Hanlon it says he became a senator that fights against the Kimball administration

[shrewd rune]

Oh I know I’m just saying the sides don’t

[humble rock]

And spiritual home

[lament folio]

im starting to wonder if folks who are whining about the lore even played new vegas

[quartz pendant]

I’m still on the boat of new Vegas not being canon

[quartz pendant]

I did

250 hours

[humble rock]

I'm in the boat of if crap hits the fan, the series can always be declared a separate tineline

[opal hawk]

but Emil said that it was canon

[little condor]

True, it'd be like nuking Philly here in the US. Dude went full Ulysses and didn't even hit the dang current capital of the NCR.

[sturdy bone]

you mean people with poor understandings of how flow charts work 💀

[quartz pendant]

Emil is a SINGLE developer who had nothing better to do but pretend like he speaks for the entire series

[shrewd rune]

For example the Independent New Vegas slide says the NCR never again got control of the Strip yet we see a NCR Vertibird there at the end of the show so..,

[little condor]

Vault Dweller and Sole Survivor gonna strangle Hank once he gets to the afterlife.

[quartz pendant]

Worse than JK Rowling changing lore via Twitter

[odd marsh]

Emil is the lead writer lmao.

[sturdy bone]

He was only nuking shady sands because they started to tap into Vault 31-33's water supply...

[lament folio]

the ending in independent vegas is that they will be open for trade

[quartz pendant]

Who gives a fuck? He shouldn’t be changing lore via twitter

[sturdy bone]

And because of his ex wife leaving him for a woman

[lament folio]

hence the vertibird

[opal hawk]

why Didn't they nuke Brotherhood in DC? Enclave wanted to emerge and win over DC..

[odd marsh]

"Guys, New Vegas is canon don't worry!"

Fans: NO IT'S NOT CANON ANYMORE YOU RUINED IT

at this point ya'll just want to be angry

[shrewd rune]

Yeah Emil’s word is law, even if I think he’s a bad writer his words are canon

[sturdy bone]

NCR coming back to fight something in vegas inbetween NV and TV is possible

[sturdy bone]

Because the enclave -is- vault-tec

[lament folio]

new vegas is my fav but its die hards are the worst in the series, slightly behind the 1 + 2 brigade

[quartz pendant]

Nah, I’m just pissed someone is changing what is and isn’t lore and what is and isn’t canon via a social@media app

[opal hawk]

so why not save your own troops and territory?

[shrewd rune]

But would directly contradict the independent ending.

I think we’re getting a canon ending in season 2

[odd marsh]

He didn't change anything. He just confirmed that NV is canon, when people thought it wasn't anymore. That's all.

[humble rock]

Does that mean Mr. House is also tied to the Enclave?

[quartz pendant]

But it was never confirmed as canon

[sturdy bone]

idfk, maybe the nuke used for shady sands wasn't a missle but a suitcase one or something

[opal hawk]

Todd siad that they will never declare what endings are canon, to keep it ambiguos

[little condor]

Which then begs the question of why that'd cause the NCR to poop the bed. Like, dude just nuked the NCR equivalent of Philadelphia; used to be the capital, but not anymore. Maybe at most the NCR bailed from the Boneyard afterwards, and are further up north, though perhaps some of the more outer states bailed as well.

[shrewd rune]

Yet we have the East Coast BoS in the show

[sturdy bone]

NCR pooped the bed by being committed to the mojave since 2277 and the first battle of hoover dam

[lament folio]

^

[sturdy bone]

They stretched themselves too thin and couldn't sustain themselves without hoover dam by 81

[shrewd rune]

With a ship that may or not be the Prydwen and now we’re going to new Vegas

[lament folio]

the last we're shown of ncr is that they are being beaten by dudes in football outfits

[sturdy bone]

Everything about that vanity fair peice is saying that was an error and it really is the prydwen

[opal hawk]

what is the actual point which faction is destroyed, if Vault Tec always has the means to kill everyone? it's like they are used by Bethesda as a tool to reset everything back 😦

[humble rock]

Which I still hate by the way

But good thing there's Fanfiction if all goes bad

[shrewd rune]

Bros acting like the Legion isn’t also said to be defeating the BoS in the East. They’re a real power under Ceasar but looks like Ceasar is dead given the BoS have a base sitting in Utah

[lament folio]

vault tec putting their thumb on the scale isn't some big fan fiction change. its the obvious conclusion of their entire purpose for exsistance

[shrewd rune]

Sorry wrong reply Sivat

[sturdy bone]

The legion would have to expand over all of middle america? They didn't even have that much land in NV tho

[shrewd rune]

I mean on their eastern border not the East Coast BoS

Ceaser talks about fighting BoS who don’t even know who Maxson is.

[odd marsh]

I think it's a reference to the tactics BoS

[shrewd rune]

It probably was

[shrewd rune]

lol

[steel warren]

The actor who should’ve played the role

[fluid basin]

Does divorce even exist in vaults?

[opal hawk]

Nah, i think current actor is good!

[sturdy bone]

I mean, probably not but do they really need to be divorced for a woman to tell her man to fuck off and then go become roommates with another woman?

I am getting way too much milage out of that roommate joke

[steel warren]

Too young looking. Plus, his facial structure is too weak

No defined cheekbones or jawline like house

[opal hawk]

he is young in that flashback..

he is suppose to look like that

[steel warren]

What year is the flashback confirmed to be?

Isn’t supposed to be in the 2070s?

[opal hawk]

there is no year confirmed

[rare acorn]

Why'd they call it Rob Co in the show isn't it just Robco

[shrewd rune]

That flashback is only a few years before 2077 he shouldn’t be that young but it’s a minor thing

We can tell from the age of Coopers daughter

[steel warren]

Right, House would be in his 50s which aligns with his TV screen photo and his portrait

[opal hawk]

guys, those flashbacks have no dates..

[rare acorn]

Are you complaining that a TV screen art of House doesn't look the same as a real human?

[steel warren]

Hope if House appears in season 2 in new vegas, he’s recasted. No disrespect to the actor at all. I just think both appearance and voice don’t line up with the character we saw in the games

[sturdy bone]

if so please touch grass for at least one hour before responding

[humble rock]

I do hope however that the NCR does still exist and is rebuilding in Season 2

[rare acorn]

I think moldover is a splinter faction of NCR extremists

[opal hawk]

he wont appear, he's long dead after events of New Vegas

[sturdy bone]

That entirely depends on the ending

[steel warren]

Flashbacks, portraits, etc

[rare acorn]

We'll probably see the proper NCR military in S2 after they find out one of their fringe outposts got rocked by the Bos

[humble rock]

And I'm guessing Hank McLean is priority target

[little condor]

Though maybe the NCR and BoS could finally put aside their differences in S2? Hank/Vault-Tec's clearly the bigger threat atm, along with the Enclave if they're still around out West.

[opal hawk]

they were worshipping her portrait in Vault 4, in rememberance of Shady Sands, so i think she is part of NCR Remnants

[steel warren]

I’m saying it doesn’t resemble any of the imagery of House depicted thus far. His TV screen image, Golf portrait nor his playing card. It’s not a huge detail. It’s just proper casting.

[rare acorn]

They call her flame mother

[humble rock]

Shady Sands residents being tribal is a little odd

[regal carbon]

She literally has a Base with a ncr flag it in

[humble rock]

Given that Shady Sands had been civilized for at least a century

[sturdy bone]

She was probably the mayor of Shady Sands or something and why she has the power she still has at the end of the show

[regal carbon]

And her troopers look like beat up ncr troopers

[hexed cosmos]

My guess is they were so traumatized they turned into a cult like faith to try and cope with it

[rare acorn]

No wayz bos seems way too extreme in the show to even consider an allegiance with the NCR imo

[opal hawk]

it's a flashback ffs, he looks perfectly fine and It makes sense for him to be younger

[humble rock]

And now we saw the BoS get wanked in typical Bethesda fashion

[rare acorn]

Show BOS is basically like if you get rid of McNamara in fonv bos branch it gets taken over by a hardline hardass pos extremist elder

[shrewd rune]

I mean house would be in his 50s during the flashback but it’s a minor thing

[little condor]

Fair enough.

[regal carbon]

Hell Sinclair looks like a fatass but his mural in dm makes him look skinny

[shrewd rune]

House was born in 2020 lol

[rare acorn]

Is he in the show?

[sturdy bone]

a 50 year old who'se wealthy as fuck could still easily look like that

[humble rock]

I mean again, their birthplace and historic capital got nuked, of course they'd go extreme

[regal carbon]

He's the guy behind big mt

[rare acorn]

I meant the Bos not ncr

[humble rock]

So what are the BOS going to be the secondary antagonists?

[sturdy bone]

Joel Mchale is 52

[regal carbon]

Also the other two guys in that meeting are references

[sturdy bone]

Doesn't look it at all

[rare acorn]

Why would the owner of the Sierra Madre be representing Big Mt

[regal carbon]

Biggest supporter idk

[opal hawk]

this is Freddric Sinclair

[humble rock]

You know will there be an NCR prescense in the Mojave?

[regal carbon]

I kinda like the fatass Sinclair look

[humble rock]

I do hope Season 2 does tell us a bit about the Legion too, whether they still exist or if they collapsed

[rare acorn]

That's dumb

[sturdy bone]

Highly doubtful, I think NCR ultimatly had to fall back to central/northern california to maintain control

[steel warren]

No wonder why Vera didn’t want to marry him

[shrewd rune]

They went too far with Sinclair but it’s obvious why they did it.

[sturdy bone]

Ceaser was already dying so i'd imagine they fell apart to infighting

[shrewd rune]

Can’t have 2 similar looking businessmen in the scene

[rare acorn]

Sinclair has nothing to do with Big Mt other than them tricking him into turning his casino into an experiment, he ain't the CEO or whatever of it, so dumb

[regal carbon]

Might have changed the lore a little

[shrewd rune]

Sinclair is just there for fan service

[rare acorn]

Should've had a robo brain at the meeting representing Big mt

[opal hawk]

this is sinclair in the game

[humble rock]

Was Moldaver going to execute McLean after she activated Cold Fusion?