EPISODE 8

[lost wedge]

yeah, since there's not a Theorizing channel, this has to be it.

[brittle vortex]

yeah i dont really think thats the case, they NCR was more than shady sands

[long valve]

When did the helmets have a comms link?

[hexed cosmos]

Well she did a Lone Wanderer and took down a Super Duper Mart for medicine

[long valve]

and invertedly killed two innocent drug makers who just vibed

[brittle vortex]

made a quick mock up, this actually seems to line up pretty well

[hexed cosmos]

They were harvesting people and enslaving them

[long valve]

well they kept the ferals locked

but they also were both just vibing even though they enslaved ghouls and had Snip Snap harvest organs

[pure crest]

...innocent? they were going to harvest her organs too

[long valve]

innocent to an extent since they knew what they were doing keeping the ferals locked

[hexed cosmos]

You know I really loved that part it felt right out of the games

[pure crest]

who cares that they were "vibing", they're human traffickers

human/organ traffickers are never innocent, idk what you're on

[long valve]

Its Fallout, let there be some silly

[long valve]

again its Fallout, we need some silly even if its something bad

[pure crest]

...silly innocent human trafficking

[radiant latch]

Holy crap that was awesome. I feel bad for the ncr but they were bound to fall

[long valve]

Like how Thaddeus had his foot crushed by a 1 ton mech suit

[radiant latch]

Sucks its by the rinky dink brotherhood tho thats annoying

[brittle vortex]

if my mock up is correct though vegas is missing the neon shop and vault hotel

[long valve]

Dane can't be a synth?

[lost wedge]

Mojave Outpost looks pretty spot on
And think I can see Willow's tent and she's dancing
naked as usual !

[hexed cosmos]

I guess they avenged Helios

[long valve]

They seem rather human to me. Also their actor do be non-binary as well

[radiant latch]

mofos played the long game

[lost wedge]

it was more I had to stop and use my brain to try and remember if Synths could bleed, cause of her foot injury but think, yes.

[long valve]

We have Dane, Burke, and Orlando for non-binary characters, who's the fourth non-binary character?

I do think its implied Dane is a they/them. The Elder even said "You're aware of their injury?"

How scared were they that they injured themselves intentionally to not go to the Wilds and let Max do it instead?

[rare acorn]

I wasn't expecting Dane to have done that to herself

[long valve]

they

[rare acorn]

Oops

[long valve]

The show and the website sorta say that Dane is non-binary due to them using they/them pronouns

[warm ermine]

that was a big drop with the "I did it"

I kind of suspected it but damn

[rare acorn]

I honestly thought he might have done it

[long valve]

also me thinks the Timeline article on the wiki needs to be updated for the events of "The End" from the show with Cooper Howard and his daughter being at a child's birthday party and they see the bombs fall and try to run before the shock waves hit

I'm still glad we got to see more of pre-war America and learned more about Vault-Tec itself

because holy shit this is the most we will ever see physically of pre-war America

[lost wedge]

She clearly didn't know they would send Max, and she even
says so.

[signal plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thinking-looking-what-do-you-want-gif-3598499330704574829

New Vegas will always be peak.

[empty idol]

hey what do you think if new vegas ending is NCR dominated strip and the courier six is the one leading it (general)

anyway new vegas game has so much ending heck anything in new vegas is cannon because idk which ending gonna Bethesda took it

[empty idol]

i think moldaver is a synth

[long valve]

she's prewar

[empty idol]

but how shes lives for so long?

[long valve]

She was 219+ when she died. Synths didn't exist until the 22nd century

[empty idol]

oh yeah youre right

wait so the institute is not related to vault tec agency? or is related

[warm wyvern]

BRO THEY COLONISED FILLY

[empty idol]

yeah filly is now bos teritority

[warm wyvern]

That’s actually insane

This episode is probably gonna be peak idk

[empty idol]

so bos had new base now in the west

[warm wyvern]

They can expand like crazy with that tbh

[empty idol]

i can see bos divided into two part bos west and bos east because the elder form the tv show is power crazy

and the elder want new "power on bos" with cold fusion

or maybe he just refurbish the entire bos into his will because he had a cold fusion

[quartz pendant]

OH MY GOD THE VAULT TEC MEETING SCENE AND THE REFERENCES

[regal carbon]

Man hank fucking blew up the ncr

[quartz pendant]

AND THE MAP

[empty idol]

i wonder does that means the vault tec bombed america it self? so what happen to china and ussr? they got nuked by america or just died by time?

[warm ermine]

the map has 115 vaults

visible anyway

[quartz pendant]

I think they encouraged the bombs to drop

[empty idol]

oh

[quartz pendant]

They probably pressured the sides to finally “press the button”

[regal carbon]

Also it's interesting that Sinclair was with big mt

[quartz pendant]

Through their ways

Weird Michigan only has one.

Also, Canadian vault?

Oh wait, Canada was annexed. I forgot

[regal carbon]

Only one it seems

[quartz pendant]

I’m curious how soon before 2077 that scene was

[long valve]

maybe before October

[empty idol]

tbh i dont really like vaults in fallout lore, i just liked the faction lore like ncr, legion, enclave and house

[long valve]

or any time before the 23rd

[quartz pendant]

It just seems insane there’s no vault near/in Detroit

[warm ermine]

Probably like within a year I'd say

[long valve]

so 2076-2077 after Anchorage?

[simple basin]

detriot can survive by itself its fine

[warm wyvern]

BROOOOO

IS IT BAD THAT AS SOON AS I SAW MR HOUSE I KNEW EXACTLY WHO HE WAS AND STARTED JUMPING AROUND GIDDY WITH JOY?

[untold escarp]

if this show doesnt get an S2 we riot

[warm wyvern]

Bet

BRO MR HOUSE HOLY SHITTTTT

[warm ermine]

he suave

[empty idol]

mr house had swag

[warm ermine]

drippin swag

[warm wyvern]

BIG MTTTTT HOLY SHITTTTT

[empty idol]

the house always wins

[ember crag]

I freaked when I saw him too , I never do his ending but man is he cool asf

[warm wyvern]

New pfp moment?

[warm ermine]

do it

[warm wyvern]

Let’s go. Out with three dog the goat in with live action Robert house

[warm ermine]

just dont obviously go running around the server in other channels talking about how hes in the show until spoiler protocol lifts

[ember crag]

I've done every ending for a decade just haven't done his in a while

[warm wyvern]

No worries. I’m just going to have it lol

[ember crag]

Old man ain't telling me what to do

[warm wyvern]

This is the greatest show of all time

[signal plover]

Mostly a mix.

[untold escarp]

I'm very excited for the future, 5 seasons and a movie

[empty idol]

i like how ncr defeated the power armor

[warm wyvern]

Mr house just made me hop around and genuinely go fucking mad. Same with the others. West Tek CEO is actually insane

[warm wyvern]

Said who? Wait what

[signal plover]

Maybe a well persevere ghoul.

[ember crag]

Man the ghouls wife I forgot her name was really up there with vault tec I was surprised she was in such an important meeting

[empty idol]

so new form of ghoul who can taste food?

[untold escarp]

its a meme. Dan Harmon would always say Community would get X seasons and a movie

[ember crag]

Also bud being a evil cunt wasn't surprising

[warm wyvern]

Bro sat in the same room and Mr house. Genuinely crazy

[warm wyvern]

Oh lmfao yeah true

[meager basin]

House supported the bombs dropping so he wouldn't have to pay taxes

[signal plover]

I don't know trouble figuring that out. More likely the ghoul see her as a person from the past.

[ember crag]

So the ghouls daughter must be alive right?

[warm wyvern]

I SHOULDVE KEPT WATCHING WITHOUT TALKING. REPCONN TOO? HOLY SHIT

[ember crag]

How did he get her to safety but he didn't?

[untold escarp]

I'm mostly excited for Big Iron to play while Lucy and Ghoul walk around

[simple basin]

Still wana know the guy watching them

[signal plover]

Wait what fallout companion we mostly see in the big screen?

[ember crag]

?

[simple basin]

Theres a guy watching the meeting

[untold escarp]

there was somebody watching the meeting up in the rafters

[ember crag]

Oh , wasn't there a bunch of people up there? Did they focus on one dude specifically?

[untold escarp]

for a brief moment

[warm wyvern]

Does the show reference palowski?

[ember crag]

I watched all episodes in one sitting my memory is hazy

[simple basin]

nah

[untold escarp]

I think the idea was that Ghouls wife got a message to tell them all to shut up

[ember crag]

Ohh I must have missed that fuck lmao

[empty idol]

do you remember that squire that got injected to ghoul serum and he healed instantly back after being shot in the neck with an arrow? i moldaver is that too

[warm wyvern]

HUGE missed opportunity however I’m pretty sure they’re only east coast? Either way could’ve been atleast mentioned

[ember crag]

I'll force my partner to watch with me

[simple basin]

idk if they are as big tbh

these guys stretched coasts(aside from big mt) Pulwaski idk

[signal plover]

What was the name of the serum that creates Super Mutant.

[ember crag]

T virus

[warm wyvern]

They mentioned like competitors. Maybe that’s why I thought they would’ve been like referenced or something

[ember crag]

Jk

[signal plover]

I know.

[empty idol]

idk but the doctor injected the serum from his briefcase

inexchange of single fusion core

[ember crag]

FEV

[untold escarp]

yup thats it

[ember crag]

I doubt that guy had Fev

[signal plover]

That's it.

[ember crag]

But he was hilarious

[regal carbon]

My guess he had something radioactive but had a quick effect

[signal plover]

He said hadn't have to worry about rads. And we just seen multiple times it's extreme healing capabilities.

[warm ermine]

the running idea is that its a healing factor mutation serum

[warm wyvern]

WAIT WAIT WAIT. SO BUD IS THE FUCKING OVERSEER ROBOBRAIN ROOMBA OF 31?

[ember crag]

Its some new magic make u a ghoul drug probably I doubt they explain it

[warm wyvern]

BROOOOOO HOLY SHITTTT

Nah I’m tweaking too hard rn I gotta calm down bro😭

[ember crag]

We will definitely see that squire as a ghoul* in season 2

[regal carbon]

Man what is up with rich assholes cutting their heads offs and keeping them alive

[warm wyvern]

No way the subs are literally brain on a Roomba

I refuse to believe that

[warm ermine]

thats what the character is listed as on the xray

[empty idol]

fallout tv shows, show how incompetent Bos is... kinda tragic the one who defeated the enclave

[warm wyvern]

Nah THATS actually crazy bro

[ember crag]

He wanted to be head of management super bad

[warm ermine]

banned

[untold escarp]

ayyyyyyyy

[warm wyvern]

Why😭

[ember crag]

I'll be here all week

[regal carbon]

So bud is a robobrain a weird one tho

[untold escarp]

I'm glad Matt Berry got a living cameo after his Mr Handy cameo

[quartz pendant]

It was already renewed

[untold escarp]

thank goodness

[warm ermine]

no it wasnt

it's just HEAVILY implied and likely

[quartz pendant]

I thought I saw a news story

[warm ermine]

you saw the info about cali giving them a massive incentive check

theyd be stupid to not take them up on it but still

[ember crag]

Considering the amount of money they poured into this show I'm surprised they released it all in one day

[quartz pendant]

Oh, just tons of leaks saying they want to

[ember crag]

Did they think it would fail?

[quartz pendant]

I’m not. Most shows are released this way now

[warm ermine]

They want to make like 3+ seasons if they can make it work

[warm wyvern]

BRO THE REFERENCES ARE CRAZYYYYY. So we now know that the vaults experiments were chosen by the CEOs

[ember crag]

Amazon flagship shows aren't

[quartz pendant]

Idk they know us fallout folks

[quartz pendant]

We’ll all weekend all-nighter beat their games lmao

[untold escarp]

God I was so happy to see BIG MT represented

[regal carbon]

That's sinclair

[ember crag]

I'm grateful cuz I for sure watched it in one night but I hope it doesn't hurt the shows longevity

[quartz pendant]

Holy mother of dyslexia moments 😭

[untold escarp]

Truth be told I have NO idea how they could fit Big MT into a show like this

[ember crag]

Is that the real Sinclair?

[regal carbon]

Which is interesting that Sinclair was with big mt

[quartz pendant]

Usually I only struggle with numbers, not sentences

[ember crag]

Like casino Sinclair or just some guy named sinclair

[regal carbon]

Thought he was just a customer and less fat

[quartz pendant]

Rob-co’s CEO is Mr House?

[ember crag]

Cuz all depictions of sinclar are* vastly different lmao

[regal carbon]

No it's Fredrick Sinclair

[ember crag]

What a bummer

At least house looks accurate

[quartz pendant]

Why is Mr House in Rob-co’s chair then?

[simple basin]

lost my mind seeing house

[regal carbon]

The we never saw what Sinclair looked like I think

[dense owl]

Yes

[warm wyvern]

Bro me too pfp buddies 😭😭

[regal carbon]

Aside from one mural

[dense owl]

Never saw him speak or pre war

[ember crag]

Exactly my thinking lmao

[warm wyvern]

U didn’t know that? Yeah he invented most of the robots that wander around

[simple basin]

Ur robots can't compete agasin't my power armor ong

[quartz pendant]

I was never a huge NV fan

[dense owl]

Robco is only perhaps the most famous tech provider for the vaults

[warm wyvern]

Uhhhhhhhh. Fallout 76. All I need to say

[regal carbon]

Doesn't you pa have a massive flaw

[quartz pendant]

I actually moved to West Virginia because of Fallout 76

[warm wyvern]

Actually peak

SHE SAID IT

SHE SAID THE THING, GUYS SHE SAID THE THING

[ember crag]

What

[quartz pendant]

Weird question but did all the kids die in Vaylt 33 during the raid? Bc after the raid we never saw a child again in the entire series

[simple basin]

I like to think now House gave himself a trans atlantic voice changer on his screen

[warm wyvern]

War never changes. She said the thing guys

[quartz pendant]

Other than the baby

[warm wyvern]

Lmfao that would actually be kinda cool

[regal carbon]

Man it's like not see vault security aiding in the fight in 33

[rocky arch]

So.. did they just reveal who started the Great War in this episode

[regal carbon]

We only see one guard being carried off

[ember crag]

Pretty much

[quartz pendant]

I think all of the kids were massacred

[ember crag]

More cake for me

[quartz pendant]

I wouldn’t say vault tec dropped the bombs, but they probably used their ways to get both sides to get to that point

[untold escarp]

I thought prior to the show that that the bombs were dropped by the enclave right?

[rocky arch]

Didn’t she say tho they’ll drop the bomb themselves

[quartz pendant]

I don’t think vault tec could secretly keep that many nuclear weapons

[untold escarp]

or rather, not the enclave specifically but the AI networks or whatever

[quartz pendant]

And then secretly drop them all over the country

[ember crag]

They had a hand in it for sure

[quartz pendant]

But Hank did nuke the NCR city

[untold escarp]

sure did

[regal carbon]

I feel like vault tec fucked up the peace talks

[rocky arch]

They’re more powerful than the US government, and they likely bribed them into giving them nukes

[untold escarp]

shady sands just got way more sandy

[regal carbon]

Or a better idea they messed up the peace talks that were going on

[tulip cave]

I feel like cooper's wife would know when the bombs would drop and she would not have her daughter outside of a vault

[tulip cave]

If vault tec did it

[ember crag]

Good point , I've also been wondering how the ghoul's daughter is seemingly out there but he was with her when the bombs started dropping

[azure marten]

I feel like vault tec was not the one who drop the bomb since cooper's daughter was outisde of the vault

[rocky arch]

Oh they really kept her mother as a ghoul… bro no

[warm ermine]

or she knew but couldnt get ahold of them because it was happening so fast last minute that they forced her into vault 31

[azure marten]

it also would make sense of why Mr. house did not get the platinum chip on time

[warm ermine]

I'm sure whenever he is reunited with them it wont be happy

[quartz pendant]

So the govt and vault tec was fucked up, but I highly doubt the US govt would knowing aid their entire country being turned into a nuclear wasteland. It doesn’t make sense from a lot of fronts (as a graduate nuclear strategic studies and military history student myself)

[empty idol]

if you put it that way I think it's funny to see Cooper havinge an affair with Moldaver and then his husband gets jealous and bomb the ncr because moldaver is one of their leaders

[ember crag]

He must have delivered her somewhere to her mother

[rocky arch]

They did say in the episode that the government trusted them with the future of humanity

[empty idol]

if moldaver is a guy then this reason will make more sense hahaha

[quartz pendant]

I also feel that if Vault Tec did drop the bombs we wouldn’t have so many vaults that didn’t get all of their people. I’m sure they would of made up some bullshit about having to report (except for vaults made to not accept everyone “planned”)

[simple basin]

I assume the govt was in a jp morgan bailing them out situation like in the 1800s but vault tech took advantage overtime and they really just have the wheel. The feds will continously go for peace negotiations but vault tech will sabatoge them in clandestine ways one way or another

[ember crag]

Moldaver is secretly Aradesh

[azure marten]

if the situation become inevitable than the government should have a plan for it

[quartz pendant]

This seems more likely

[simple basin]

I don't think they acc dropped the bombs. That would mean access to the U.S. arsenal itself which seems insane

[quartz pendant]

The idea of Vault Tec not only getting nuclear weapons but also the delivery methods does not seem feasible

[quartz pendant]

They would have had to not only get access to that, but also the delivery methods (mostly planes), and also control who is flying all of those vehicles, and convince them to drop on their own people

[simple basin]

The only possibility is a false flag with a non nuclear bomb somewhere which sets everyone off

[dense owl]

The President legit left america for 2 years before the war, near everything to protect was a scam and a lie

[quartz pendant]

But the further idea of trying to convince so many pilots and maintainers and such to drop on their own people seems extremely improbable

[simple basin]

My only issue with that though is we are already super deep into the Chinese mainland apprently with evidence of the mongolian desert ranger gear right so it doesn't seem the countries are of the "they step on the mainland lmao send the nukes" type doctrine and alaska has already been invaded

[quartz pendant]

The idea that vault tec pushed both sides to the brink? Much more believable

[signal plover]

I think it is pure concentration rads.

[untold escarp]

okay THIS is what I was looking for

"The terminals in Fort Constantine say the American missiles launched in response to an enemy attack. That signal could have been triggered from anywhere."

[quartz pendant]

I like your name

[ember crag]

Whatever it is I doubt it gets an explanation

Unless it is related to whatever the ghoul and other ghouls now have to take to survive

[simple basin]

I could see like near bejing capture setting off the CCP

[untold escarp]

so one theory might be that vault tec or someone like them sent the US military signal that china had launched nukes when they hadnt yet, so when the US started to launch nukes, china also did in response

[simple basin]

We did have bombs fall though in fallout 4 right after the news anouncement of inc missle and they say PA was hit before we get to the vault

[untold escarp]

Tim Cain said in a video recently that China launched first, but that was also a long time ago, and fallout canon is wojnky

[rare acorn]

Is that house or just a rep

[signal plover]

Imagine If Bethesda did an animation adaptation of the elder scrolls.

[warm ermine]

thats robert house

[untold escarp]

thanks!

[quartz pendant]

Don’t hit the bursar

[ember crag]

I think he recently confirmed that isnt happening lol

Oh u said animation

[quartz pendant]

So here’s my theory:

Vault Tec was pushing for the bombs to drop sooner than anyone wanted to, but was trying to make it predicted/on their terms. In the end, I think it still happened sooner than Vault Tec anticipated

[untold escarp]

anyway this super fan needs to go to bed. I stayed up until 3am watching the first half of the season last night and now im very, very tired

[ember crag]

That'd be interesting

[untold escarp]

worth it though!

[simple basin]

Then anyone yh bc Mr.House was also off with his calculations

So it seems they pushed too hard and fucked over their partners aswell

[quartz pendant]

That or some other random variable happened

[simple basin]

Its honestly crazy the US was able to penetrate into China the way it did without nukes going off

[quartz pendant]

I mean this as nicely as possible, but as a graduate student who studies nuclear warfare/strategy, not really.

Almost any sane country/person does not want nukes going off, even conventionally

Even advocates for conventional nukes in history, even on the losing end of wars, pretty quickly changed their stance once they started learning more and being exposed to more

[ember crag]

No one wants to Thanos snap the world

Well at least not sane people

[quartz pendant]

Even Kissinger, who spent the first part of his career advocating for regular use of conventional nuclear weapons was extremely clear halfway through his career that he was wrong and that it should never happen

[simple basin]

Yeah sure just China was already extremely desperate in the lore. Capitulation to the frenzied US putting chinese citizens in camps and on the hunt for energy resources and uranium sounds like a nightmare equiv to the germans surrending to the soviets. I think of it like if the Nazis had nukes when Berlin was about to fall or even earlier would they be used

[dense owl]

We don’t know if they did it tho. That establishes a precedent they can doesn’t mean they will

[simple basin]

It was gonna be joeover for like chinese society in some way or another just looking at how the US treated canada a formerly friendly neighbor

[quartz pendant]

I’m also trying to remember - was there any development of nuclear weapons past atomic bombs in fallout

[azure marten]

everyone want to avoid a nuclear war, but if they all believed that a nuclear Armageddon is inevitable, than they will make sure the other side is worst off.

[simple basin]

Idk tbh i've heard like the bombs are pretty underdeveloped compared to our own irl

Idk if that was a shoddycast video or what

[quartz pendant]

Most nuclear advocates wanted preemption. Strike targets and neutralize the enemy with a limited nuclear war

[dense owl]

More the opposite irl we went for destruction in lore they went for radiation widespread and long lasting

[quartz pendant]

Shit, I still believe in the idea of MAD and preemption

[signal plover]

Who was going to tell me that the actor who plays Lucy also voices Jinx in Arcane?!

[quartz pendant]

Do I believe we should have MIRVs and ways to obliterate an entire country? Hell no

[azure marten]

it would be really funny if the nuclear war happened because of a computer error like we have with false alarm except they actually push the button

[quartz pendant]

Sorry I’m trying not to be to like in your face about my education

[quartz pendant]

That has actually nearly happened on multiple occasions, on both sides.

Every time it was avoided by either a human not wanting to start a nuclear war, or a human not being able to believe one was actually starting

There was even a Soviet sub who had lost communication and thought a nuclear war had started, I think it was one officer who refused to launch a nuke as commanded to and surfaced, compromising his position near the US, to verify

[simple basin]

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Yangtze_Campaign like shanghai and nanjing being lost by the chinese is wild

[quartz pendant]

War games was also loosely based on a real incident when an exercise nearly started a nuclear war

[simple basin]

Idk how the US pulled off pushing from there and guangdong and mongolia

[regal carbon]

well it seems like the invasion of china was massive and likely had every resource the US could spare in it

[azure marten]

yeah I am more thinking that since tension is so high and you have vault tec pouring the gasoline that a computer error is enough for someone to push the button

[simple basin]

logistic officers would be down catastrophic

[regal carbon]

that was the final push to stop "communism"

[simple basin]

it would actually be a clown endeavor

[regal carbon]

but yeah logistics would have been hell

[quartz pendant]

So, here’s my thought:

The actual final reason for the bombs dropping has never been explained nor will be because frankly, it’s inconceivable. I don’t think there’d ever be a fully accepted reason for it, even in fallout lore

[regal carbon]

likely the peace talks failed

vault tec messed them up with their power afforded to them by the enclave and government

[quartz pendant]

Frankly in the end the reasoning doesn’t matter all too much, because it happened (in game).

[regal carbon]

yup

[azure marten]

I think we will never know who actually started it and just leave it vague with some bits and pieces about it

[regal carbon]

tho i wonder where the fuck hank got a nuke

[quartz pendant]

So I think for those two reasons we’ll never get the end-all-be-all reason why the bombs were dropped

[azure marten]

which I think it better overall.

[regal carbon]

maybe he went to hopeville and lauched one of those nukes

[quartz pendant]

How do randos in Appalachia get access to ICBM silos and launch codes?

[simple basin]

game mechanic things imo

[regal carbon]

by becoming US military personnel thats how

[quartz pendant]

I’m just saying lol

[rocky arch]

Wait I’m confused on how they retconned New Vegas

[quartz pendant]

And being the executive director of vault tec with all their govt access, it makes sense

[regal carbon]

the vault dwellers in 76 are all US army generals

[simple basin]

its still a thing dates are just weird emil confirmed its not retconned

[warm wyvern]

OH MY GOD BRO BRO THE FINAL SCENE GENUINELY MADE ME SCREAM NRO LIKE FULL ON SCREAM

[quartz pendant]

The Hollywood sign scene?

Or like the credits

[warm wyvern]

NO THE STRIP BRO, AND THE SIGN TOO

[regal carbon]

i cant wait to see live action securitrons

[azure marten]

well new Vegas is canon based on Emil tweet and the date on the chalkboard is just speculation until confirmation since the fall and the bomb can happen in different time

[warm wyvern]

Season 2 is going to be the greatest thing of all time, this is the best show of all time

[quartz pendant]

lol sponsored by nuka cola made me LUL

[regal carbon]

gotta love nuka cola

[warm ermine]

ded, so much ded

[azure marten]

elijah ending canon?

[warm wyvern]

So the ncr is gone… like fully?

[simple basin]

Idk if it was intentional but it's cool the wes tek guy is japanese being Chinese people are basically second class citizens now. I hope they should how fucked the US got with that in season 2 flashbacks

[azure marten]

they still around since the final episode show what appeared NCR fighting the BOS

[quartz pendant]

Anywho, good night yall

[simple basin]

NCR is still alive just fractured patriots are in control trust the plan hanlon is immortal

[regal carbon]

i feel sorry for the ncr civilians in vault 4 in a way

anyways i think the last of the major ncr based forces fell at the observatory

[ember crag]

The real question is which new vegas companions are alive

Boone is probably dead if the courier doesn't exist to save him

[regal carbon]

they all might still be kicking

tho cass might have drunk herself to death

[ember crag]

Raul is still captured or dead

Rex is definitely dead

[regal carbon]

relly depends on what happened in nv

[ember crag]

This is all assuming the courier didn't help them

I mean the strip itself looks to be in ruins in the post credit scene

Rex joins the kings in whatever battle ensues and likely dies

Or dies of age

[azure marten]

I have a feeling that the tunnler will appeared if vegas is in ruined

[ember crag]

Fallout Dust being the canon ending would be kinda rad

[azure marten]

I want to see Elijah and ulysses in the show

[quartz pendant]

I hope Curie is still around 🥵

[regal carbon]

todd finished what chris started

[ember crag]

Ain't you supposed to be sleeping

Dream of Curie

[astral maple]

Don't dream of curie it's weird

[ember crag]

I'll dream of Tabitha like a true man of culture

[quartz pendant]

[ember crag]

Can we dream about Fisto

[steel warren]

LOL at that ending

[rocky arch]

Mr House fafo’d apparently

[warm wyvern]

Bro I can’t believe how good that show was still

[rocky arch]

Better than Halo and Last of Us

[warm wyvern]

Best game adaptation of all time+my inherent bias because fallout is my favourite thing of all time= peak

[warm ermine]

fallout fans eatin good

[steel warren]

I love that the show destroyed what Fallout 1 and 2 built up. And very last shot is sneak peak for the next game to be ruined by the Besthesdahood of Todd.

That was hilarious

[warm wyvern]

Bro these last few years have been good but this year we’re fucking DINING.

[azure marten]

bruh if fallout only problem is the date issue than I would take that over wtf they are doing with the halo show

[tribal belfry]

We know the Chinese were able to infiltrate America very well. Could they have found out vault Tec wanted to drop the bombs first and so the Chinese decided to launch their nukes first instead?

[warm wyvern]

I mean not really lol

[rocky arch]

Halo doesn’t follow the source material and is a separate timeline apparently, also master chief literally bangs a covenant spy

[vale harbor]

oh my god
episode 8 .... the final episode
its one of the best episodes of any TV show ive ever seen , it brought the show up from a 6 or 7/10 to a 10/10 masterpiece

[steel warren]

Yeah, NCR is reduced to ashes. The West Coast now mirrors the East Coast, a desolate wasteland where civilization is nothing more than a few tin shacks and hobos living in it

[warm ermine]

Hiya, you're allowed to not like how they handled it but just making you aware the "bethesda is ruining the games" "todd is ruining things" perspective rides on the dev bashing rule we have so just adjust how you're talking about it thank you!

[tribal belfry]

No it isn’t lmao

[rocky arch]

Since this was a sequel to Fallout 4, I wonder what happened to the Institute

[tribal belfry]

Destroyed

[rocky arch]

[regal carbon]

the commonwealth BOS issued the order to hunt the enclave guy so they survived

[warm wyvern]

Not really bro, and even then LA suffered some of the worst nuke damage across America, so having it be super desolate in some regions makes a lot of sense

[tribal belfry]

Yes the canon ending for fallout 4 is the bos one

[regal carbon]

it seems so

also i feel like the enclave being added to 4 will tie into the show

[warm wyvern]

Every ending besides their own they get destroyed lol

[tribal belfry]

Enclave wasn’t in fallout 4

[regal carbon]

new update is adding the enclave

[rocky arch]

Rip bozos

[warm wyvern]

Next gen update, adding remnants tools

[steel warren]

Is this just a friendly gesture or is the Discord monitored by Bethesda hence why it’s prohibited to be openly critical towards the company’s decisions?

[tribal belfry]

wtf? There’s a new update?

[regal carbon]

with a questline to tie into the main story

[warm wyvern]

It was announced today

[tribal belfry]

Holy shit it’s like a dlc?

[regal carbon]

its free i think

[warm wyvern]

Creation club stuff coming for free, so kinda?

[vale harbor]

isnt it just a bunch of weapons though

[tribal belfry]

Is it console only

[warm wyvern]

Ye lol

[astral maple]

its to promote healthy discussions and tone down the fanrage

[warm wyvern]

Pretty sure everything, but idk

[eternal temple]

it's because otherwise, NMA-dwellers come running in to insist that bethesda ruined everything

[tribal belfry]

IGN never mentioned pc

[astral maple]

you can criticise things in a constructive manner, etc

[warm ermine]

If you had been here for awhile you'd see we have no problems with people being critical. It's just that the "bethesda ruined fallout" trope is extremely overplayed and always leads down a non constructive dev bashing hole. So, just adjust how you phrase it while being constructive. You started off fine until the phrasing you used at the end there, just be mindful!

[steel warren]

Fair enough

[eternal temple]

ever since fallout 1 todd howard himself has been editing your favourite lore just to spite you
source: NMA

[vale harbor]

the very final shot of seeing new vegas gave me actual goosebumps

[warm ermine]

If we banned people for hating something the games do we'd have like, 5 users

[tribal belfry]

“Players with PC versions of Fallout 4 on Steam, Microsoft Store and GOG will receive stability, mods, and bug fixes, Bethesda said. Fallout 4 will also be sold on the Epic Games Store, and will be Steam Deck verified”

[warm wyvern]

They said that pc will be getting wide no extra wide screen support, which means they’re atleast getting an update maybe some bug fixes, so like they should be getting the cc stuff too

[warm wyvern]

I screamed like genuinely idk why😭

[tribal belfry]

Damn

[steel warren]

Is there any explanation how the NCR is bumpin in New Vegas but their HQ and everything went boom boom couple years before that?

[tribal belfry]

But no enclave, I guess I can only play it on my Xbox

[vale harbor]

i was acting giddily like a little girl throughout the episode lol

[tribal belfry]

All we see is a downed NCR vertibird in Vegas that’s not evidence of much

[warm wyvern]

Me too bro I was almost jumping around giddy with joy lol, but that was most of the series tbh

[rocky arch]

FNAF has moved to #2 on my favorite video game live action adaptations list

[tribal belfry]

Nor is the NCR destroyed

[vale harbor]

when the vault tec wife said "war ........ war never changes" i was acting like a 5 year old on Xmas day lol

[warm ermine]

The hugest point of contention is the question of when actually did shady sands get bombed because there is miles of room for interpretation of the literal only date which is on the chalkboard

[astral maple]

genuinely, it seems like they left it ambigious to expand on in season 2

[warm ermine]

I am totally convinced it was on purpose to get people talking and demanding more

[astral maple]

seeing how new vegas seems to play a role and the downfall of the NCR being a center theme of the entire storyline

[steel warren]

How did the Indian lady who was leading the NCR survive 200 years? Was it explained?

[astral maple]

yeah, 100%

[rocky arch]

WrestleMania got me hyped this week and now Fallout. Thanks Nolan (and Todd)

[warm ermine]

explained no but seems implied she got into one of those cryo things somehow

[vale harbor]

didnt shady sands get bombed after lucy was moved to the vault ?

[warm wyvern]

@vale harbor i said this lmfao

[warm ermine]

lucy was 5-6 when shady sands got bombed

[astral maple]

itll most likely be expanded upon in S2, they did show multiple cryotubes aswell, and we know that people can be in statsis for hundreds of years

[tribal belfry]

Judging by her past, she most likely has access to vault tec technology

[astral maple]

from what i've read, it seems like shady sands was bombed sometime during/after new vegas, with new vegas also being bombed

[astral maple]

or there was a war being fought in new vegas and the lonesome road DLC's "canon" ending was that everything was nuked by the courier

[azure marten]

I don't think new vegas got bomb since there no evidence of that happening

[vale harbor]

new vegas itself got spared of bombs

[warm ermine]

it looks like it got fucked up a lil bit

[quartz pendant]

Are there bethsoft people in here

[eternal temple]

I didn't actually notice, but was the Lucky 38 still standing?

[azure marten]

but the Tunnelermight be a big issue for new vegas

[warm ermine]

probably

[eternal temple]

aha, so it was
good screencaps

[steel warren]

Thanks, you guys are like ChatGPT. Here’s the next question:

Was the west coast Brotherhood of Steel depicted faithfully to the established story?

[vale harbor]

this blew my mind for real

[warm ermine]

forgot these guys

[warm wyvern]

I mean they were just as cult-like as the west coast maybe a bit more militaristic

[warm ermine]

so NV clearly happened, stuff was built up and existed

but something happened here

[steel warren]

Are the ones in the show not West Coast?

[warm wyvern]

I just realise the game has been torn down?

[rocky arch]

Ngl after thinking about it, both Lee and Hank are trash human beings

[warm wyvern]

They are but they look to be assembled differently to the west coast BOS seen in the games

They maintain the whimsical religious side of the west coast but use a more east coast approach to the military and arsenal side

I think they’re awesome in the series, still the bad guys tho

[azure marten]

the show approach brotherhood steel more toward canticle of leibowitz (which is the main inspiration of the BOS in the first fallout) aspect so I would say faithful to the established story

[astral maple]

crazy techno cultists?

Yes

[warm wyvern]

Real

[steel warren]

I think you can understand why that’s the case.

[astral maple]

i loved how the BoS was portrayed because it was faithful to the current chapters and further underlines that Lyon's chapter was borderline heretics

if you compare it to the outcasts in 3 that was reintegrated into the BoS in 4 then it adds up

[warm wyvern]

Yeah ofc, because it takes place after the events of 4, so they maintain the heavily militarised structure maxon left

[warm wyvern]

Lyons the goat

[turbid iris]

Oh cool Robert House is in this

[regal carbon]

and sinclair is also

[steel warren]

No, it’s because the team that designed East Coast created this show. That’s why the Vaults also mimicked the updated style of F76 and not earlier depictions

[azure marten]

it funny in bo3 the BOS outcast is more aligned with the original chapter than lyon chapter

[regal carbon]

lyons is in more ways similar to rogers idea

[eternal temple]

right, that's why Lyons is a borderline heretic to the modern BOS

[turbid iris]

Ohhh it's all crypstorage

[astral maple]

to sum this whole BoS thing up quite nicely before we dwell into semantics and specifics

[regal carbon]

i wonder why repconn was at the vault tec meeting

[astral maple]

Lyon's chapter in 3 (And Rahmanis in 76) focus more on the humanitarian aspect rather than the BoS Codex.

Maxson's chapter in 4 (and Shin in 76, NV's) are more codex focused with less, if any regards to the humanitarian aspects of protecting the wasteland, they are more militaristic and techno cultist aligned.

[vale harbor]

probably because of all the energy and space technology they had access to ..... or plain good ol fanservice 😛

[regal carbon]

there is tbh two sides rogers idea and the extremists

[astral maple]

the outcasts in 3 aligns with the codex and see Lyon's as tech heretics because they focus more on the humanitarian aspects, they get reintegrated with the BoS in 4

[turbid iris]

So this show, shows how the experiments where desig8ned

[regal carbon]

i wonder if house influenced any experiments for the vaults

[astral maple]

the original Maxson was also focused on the humanitarian aspect, but 20 years after the war there is already a focus on techno cultism blessed by the codex, which is why rahmani rebels in 76

[turbid iris]

WAIT VAULT TEC STARTED THE WAR

[regal carbon]

they likely fucked up peace talks

[astral maple]

the BoS in the tv show aligns with 4's BoS, which makes sense

[vale harbor]

FO4 had hidden notes and terminal entries that alluded to vault tec starting it all and now 9 years later it got confirmed

[turbid iris]

The fucking twist in ep8 is wild as shit

[astral maple]

its always been hinted at and it makes sense aswell

[shrewd rune]

Nah disagree they’re pretty significantly different outside T-60 power armor

[regal carbon]

wait oh my god julia masters is referenced in nv

[turbid iris]

FUCKING NEW VEGAS ON SEADON 2 LETSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOO

[regal carbon]

same with leon von felden

everyone of those guys at the is a reference thats cool

and leon was shot by roger

[turbid iris]

I still don't know how I feel about Shady Sands being nuked

[shrewd rune]

Yeah remains to be seen wether it was a good decision imo.

[eternal temple]

honestly, I hate it.
"nyeheheheh it was me barry vault-tec i nuked your world" feels like a much weaker and less interesting approach to conflict than basically anything else

you know what makes more sense? two nuclear powers amped up on hatred and patriotism fighting to the bitter end ends in nuclear war, and that's a heck of a lot more thematic than the outside-context problem of "suddenly vault-tec"

[regal carbon]

tho i do wonder why big mt sent fucking sinclair to the meeting

[eternal temple]

absolutely baffling that sinclair is representing them at all

[regal carbon]

guess this what happens when you buy a fuck ton of shit from big mt

[azure marten]

I don't think vault tec is the one that nuke the world. Cooper daughter was still outside before the bomb fell (which if they know when the bomb drop the daughter should be in the vault by then). Vault Tec may plan of doing it but I think they are not the one that did it

[eternal temple]

Near as I can tell, he's willing to not only bankrupt himself for these devices, he's struck a deal with the Big MT executives, letting the Villa become a lab for the supposedly-harmless prototype tech here.
why were the Big MT executives not the ones there?

[dense owl]

Well problem every game states China except nv

[eternal temple]

answer: fanservice, same reason House is at the table alongside Repconn, which he owned

[odd wedge]

Isn't he the number 1 investor of Big MT?

[astral maple]

how so?

[regal carbon]

my guess is vault tec fucked the peace talks so they didnt know when the bombs would drop

[eternal temple]

since when were there ever peace talks to screw up?

[regal carbon]

i think so

[dense owl]

I mean that sounds like what house would do

[regal carbon]

i think the show talked about peace talks being underway

[dense owl]

I’m gonna sit next to my pawn so I can guide them

[astral maple]

honestly, in hindsight it does make sense.

In the end, no matter what the answer was people would be dissapointed, its been speculated upon by fans for decades

[eternal temple]

I think it's very strange writing to have every named corporation in the games all secretly be cooperating to end the world

[dense owl]

episode one in when they switch away the channels.

[eternal temple]

why they answered it all is kinda questionable
of all the stories they needed to tell, how the world ended absolutely wasn't one of them

[astral maple]

and the people watching it being the enclave? it does make sense, to be honest

[dense owl]

Is it not already strange how every single one of the names corporations has military ties and was used to fund war effort or destabilize the nation?

Only one that’s not been apart of it being Garrahan

[astral maple]

fallout has always been about fanatic capitalism gone wrong in some sense, having all the ceo's and leaders of the biggest companies ruin the world for their own profit 100% aligns with capitalism

the countless pre-war experiments, etc

[azure marten]

one thing I do like that the show explore more about the great game that mention in point lookout

[dense owl]

SCYTHE Program, Stem Cell Research, Genetics Research, Chemical Indulgence and Approved Capturing

[eternal temple]

you can make more money and spend more money if the world isn't dead
I mean, like, you can vaguely justify it, if you squint a lot
I just think it was a bad direction to go in, and it probably won't help the lore any

[dense owl]

House doesn’t like challenge or those he can’t get to play along. Hence his destruction of the brotherhood.

[regal carbon]

if everyone isnt dead how would house take over vegas

[tribal belfry]

How come nuka cola wasn’t part of that buisness meeting

[dense owl]

“My City Now” - Bob Home 2078

[tribal belfry]

They’re a huge company and they have defence contracts too

[eternal temple]

I don't hate the Enclave watching
I just think it seems like fanfic-tier writing
"and here's House! he says something smug and vaguely intelligent, because he is big brained"
"here's Sinclair because you know his name. he owns Big MT now, because you know that name"
"also Big MT is willing to cooperate with House for reasons, despite one of their top guys hating House"

[dense owl]

they had to get the robots somehow

[shrewd rune]

The Fallout 4 BoS shows loyalty, honor and kinship to its own members, Maxson is specifically against religious Zealotism, being against cults that worship him, and outwardly shows that he cares about the wasteland. The chapter is far less hostile to wastelanders and many of its members are genuinely against harming them.

The TV show BoS are basically everything that could be wrong with the BoS and are a dark twisting of the Fallout 4 BoS imo

[dense owl]

Would be funny is the trauma harnesses were houses design.

[regal carbon]

that would tbh

[azure marten]

during the meeting house was the one who was most skeptical, so I have a feeling house leave and do his own things.

[eternal temple]

we could have just had vault-tec execs being cunning
we could've had faceless enclave goons being cryptic!
spelling it out that bluntly was just...one of the choices of all time
also:

Bud: All of our work, everything that we've accomplished is the result of this fruit-bearing collaboration between like-minded corporations that make America great.
no it wasn't. the corporations are constantly screwing around sabotaging each other

[astral maple]

the BoS in the show isnt the same chapter as the one in 4.

There is tons of differences between the chapters, mainly due to distance, etc. It does make sense imo.

[dense owl]

actually has there been any sabotage regarding vaults that wasn’t from say the residents themselves?

[shrewd rune]

I completely agree, I’m just saying that despite similar looks they are very different chapters

[astral maple]

if you keep in mind how the chapter in the show is portrayed, most of them are regular people that dont have much faith in the techno bits, thats all from the upper management.

[dense owl]

I don’t think anything’s been sabotaged outside of what was intentional

[astral maple]

the aspirants for example seem like regular wastelanders who got picked up by the BoS and are aligning with it out of survival, Titus thinks its all bullshit aswell

[shrewd rune]

With completely different ranking structure, organization and equipment outside air vehicles and power armor too.

Trying to classify the Ranks for this chapter is a doozy, pretty sure a guy is called a petty officer at one point too

[regal carbon]

my guess it goes aspirant, squire, knight, paladin

[shrewd rune]

The fighting force being Squire and Knights is so completely removed from basically every games BoS organization

Their leader is a High Cleric

[regal carbon]

tbh squires are a type of an initiates

elder cleric i think

[steel warren]

I guess the lads over on the wiki are gonna have some fun after this.

[shrewd rune]

They’re traditionally below Initiates and are only for children

[regal carbon]

different chapter

[dense owl]

Fanaticals simply put.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the steel plague 2

[shrewd rune]

I know I’m pointing out the differences mate

[turbid iris]

Imo the entire show could have just been Coopers chaotic evil adventures int he wasteland and I would have loved it

[steel warren]

I’m sure it’s been discussed over and over, but there anything about how they got the airship? Is it prydwin? Is it a new one?

[regal carbon]

its prydwins sister ship

likely shipped off from the commonwealth

[astral maple]

how was it different?

[dense owl]

Caswennan

[shrewd rune]

The show never states but a prerelease article claimed it was a different ship

Given it says Prydwin on the side maybe that has just become its class

[dense owl]

ie named after the riverbank where King Arthur’s ship was wrecked

[regal carbon]

my guess the cassennan just arrived to the base during that whole thing

like from the commonwealth

[turbid iris]

No it's a ship they always had. The Brotherhood built and designed their own airships

[regal carbon]

i did say like a few weeks ago the pyrdwen likely did become the prydwen class

[shrewd rune]

Complete use of Ballistic weapons, no combat armor, Knights only use Power Armor, officers wear unarmored Red uniforms. Squires are the main fighting force. Squires serve as auxiliary support for Knights, no Field scribes

The ranking goes Aspirant<Squire<Knight. No, Initiates and Paladin or Knight Ranks.

Clerics are a role, the chapter is led by a High Cleric.

Etc etc

[regal carbon]

my guess the petty officers are scribes

or are apart of the scribe system

[shrewd rune]

They’re not they’re showing commanding the attack

And have completely new fits in line with what these Squires wear

[regal carbon]

its led by a elder cleric

so its an elder leading the chapter

[proper quest]

soooo, NCR ending is not canon anymore?

[shrewd rune]

New rank

[regal carbon]

indeed new rank

[shrewd rune]

But thanks for the clarification. Interesting developments, I hate this Chapter lol

It’s all the criticisms about the BoS made real except they are apparently good at recruiting

And are pretty military efficient got damn they wiped the NCR at the observatory

[astral maple]

the chapter we see is tiny with a few knights and an elder cleric.

The ship arrives with more men, but if you take a look at it, it doesnt seem like they have a "full" chapter yet aside from a few core roles, they are training new recruits and seemingly dont care much about the new recruits survival, lol

[proper quest]

my favourite ending is where you can do Barter check on Gen.Oliver to have NCR kicked out of Vegas but let them secure the highways leading to city and securing House victory with Very Good karma.

anybody else?

[astral maple]

the chapters also scavenge what they can find, so different gear makes sense.

[astral maple]

there has never been a canon ending to NV

[shrewd rune]

Yeah the Knights are from a different chapter but the show makes them follow and believe the chapter tenets they arrive at

The show itself just treats them as one unit

[proper quest]

yeah, that's the whole point

i mean what could be hypothetical canon one for the show, since NCR has been nerfed to oblivion (pun intended)

[turbid iris]

I wonder if the Courier is gonna be in Season 2

[regal carbon]

what if the petty officers are in a different group in the BOS

more towards communication

and logistics

letting scribes have more freedom to do missions

[astral maple]

Yes? i dont see how thats an issue

[astral maple]

they are though, they are all BoS.

[shrewd rune]

I’m saying the show itself treats the aspects as universal despite chapters being different, other than T-60 the arriving BoS aren’t actually using different gear and even that’s dubious given Maximus’s flashback of the T-60 Knight.

[dusk fog]

The specifics of how you said that is veeeeery suspicious

[shrewd rune]

New chapter explains differences but the commonwealth reinforcements are using and following that chapters ways. I’m just pointing out that these chapter differences aren’t presented in the show itself.

[steel warren]

How come?

I applaud the casting for the majority of the show, I don’t think they nailed Mr. House. The actor is much younger, doesn’t attempt the trans-Atlantic accent. Doesn’t share any striking facial structure resemblance. Without the costume moustache and the Rob Co desk plaque, I don’t think anyone would’ve picked it up it was him.

[regal carbon]

i think people would

there is very few rich assholes in fallout that look like that

[steel warren]

No disrespect to the actor either. I think the informality of his dialogue bears no resemblance to how House speaks in FNV as a formal, cold and cunning man.

[steel warren]

Fredrick Sinclair in his Dead Money mural looks exactly like House lol

[regal carbon]

i dont think people know how Sinclair looks like

like with the mural

[shrewd rune]

Ok so scouring the show Ranks I’ve seen are
Aspirant<Squire<Knight
Cleric<High Cleric<Elder Cleric
Petty Officer

[steel warren]

Regardless, I believe House was a miscast. I’m sure it was unbelievably difficult to recast René which they would’ve had to even if the actor was still alive, House just wasn’t House in this show. Student film depiction at best.

[regal carbon]

petty officer might be a knight rank tho thats a guess

might be a lancer rank tho

[dense owl]

Lancers have more traditional ranks overall compared to others

[shrewd rune]

Well they’ve only appeared in Fallout 4 and they mostly followed Knight ranking schemes there

[shrewd rune]

Well they seem to be dedicated to commanding the Squires and Knights during the battle so it’s hard to say. First time we’ve seen dedicated BoS commanding units that aren’t geared up

[regal carbon]

to goes initiate, lancer, knight, sergeant, captain with lancer in front of everyone aside from lancer

kinghts are a little different

[rare acorn]

Be sick if they add the Bos robes into 76

[shrewd rune]

Yeah in 4 it’s

Lancer Initiate<Lancer<Lancer Knight<Lancer-Sgt<Lancer-Captain.

Only unique thing from Knights being the lancer rank separate from Lancer Knight as you said

[regal carbon]

as for knights it goes knights, senior knights, sergeant, captain, commander then head knight

[shrewd rune]

?

[regal carbon]

knight ranking just in general

[shrewd rune]

No game has Knight ranking like you listed

[regal carbon]

commanders show up in 4

[shrewd rune]

As in all those ranks together. Chapters that have Senior Knight don’t have Knight Sergeants and Captains

[regal carbon]

knight captains show up in 3

sergeants show up in 3

[shrewd rune]

Which doesn’t have Senior Knight. I know we’ve been over this

[regal carbon]

senior knights show up in nv and 76

[shrewd rune]

Senior Knight is a West coast only rank

[regal carbon]

nope

it saw action in the east with the WV BOS

before the new arrivals from the west

[shrewd rune]

Virginia isn’t East Coast but yes I should have said the Pre West Coast expedition BoS too but it follows west coasting ranking

[regal carbon]

virginia literally has coast on the east coast

[shrewd rune]

Ok I’m stupid mark Virginia not being east coast that was a geography brain fart

[regal carbon]

and west virginia is literally beside DC

[shrewd rune]

I know I know that was me being dumb, on me, but anyways that’s pre Lyons

[regal carbon]

yeah

tho he could have kept the rank just we never see anyone with it

[shrewd rune]

Given it doesn’t appear in 3, 4 or any supplementary material for them, doubt it, he removed Knights from being their own branch

[astral maple]

how so?

T60 was discovered by the BoS between 3 and 4 as far as we know, there has also been a difference between the gear used by the local chapters aside from PA due to the limited amount of models that existed when the games happened

[shrewd rune]

Logically yes I’m saying the show doesnt show chapter differences between the chapter and the reinforcements

And Nah man this Show treats T-60 as pinnacle, I doubt T-51 being better. Lucy Confirming T-60 became the standard power armor for the army after Anchorage

[regal carbon]

i think t 60 would be better for like costs to repair

[astral maple]

because the only reinforcements that arrived was the knights and the vertibirds.

We dont see any personnel from the new airship.

[tranquil skiff]

Quick thought: In the first episode why doesn't Hank off the rip recognize Moldaver?

I've been pondering that for the last five minutes after rewatching the episode

[shrewd rune]

Which is a fair point but the Knights are participating in the ritual, having squires and doing the branding. Makes that aspect look like a universal tenant now

[astral maple]

Is that a downside?

Its nice that they expand on stuff

[shrewd rune]

Goes against how the Maxson Bias is run despite these Knights seemingly coming from the commonwealth. The Elder Cleric also mentions High Clerics in the Commonwealth. I think it’s just an oversight/don’t think about it moment

Alright going through the eps I’ve gleaned all I could about this BoS. Gotta wait for season 2 now 💀

[worn mortar]

So are we not talking about New Vegas?

[astral maple]

Not really.

It's been years since FO4, we saw how the BoS changed between 3 and 4, it changing post 4 also makes sense

[white flax]

Imagine season 2 is set in new Vegas

[shrewd rune]

That logic only works if Maxson is dead. And even then the Fallout 4 BoS shows more continuity to the Fallout 3 BoS then this chapter does with any other preexisting BoS chapter.

I’ll admit I’m putting more thought into the BoS organization for a tv show then the show writers probably did but I stand by it regardless lol

[astral maple]

the thing is, we dont know if he is.

As i mentioned, the show takes place several years after 4, and thats the last we got of the BoS timeline wise until now, so there being changes also makes sense

and we also know how the BoS leader shapes the chapters and so on, so it being more tech cultist does add up

what im more trying to say is that the BoS peaking in cultism isnt something new, its always changed depending on who was the leader and which game it was, the show having a similar but different BoS is a natural development aswell

[dense owl]

She did look very different from how she did pre war.

[regal carbon]

also its been 200+ years

[shrewd rune]

And I agree with that, but the show treats it as universal for convenience.

I imagine actual differences will be shown in Season 2 since the Elder Cleric wants to reform a New Brotherhood.

[astral maple]

It does and it doesnt, it treats it as universal for the commonwealth chapter + the small one the elder cleric wants to reform into a new brotherhood

they could be hinting at a new Elijah for all we know.

[vale harbor]

so ... who else noticed the code hank punched in was the release date for fallout 1 ?

[shrewd rune]

I just noticed Michael Rapaport as Knight Titus has a New York accent so it’s further support they are commonwealth BoS reinforcements

[graceful crater]

I'm sad that he died guy's a hilarious actor

[regal carbon]

maybe hes from a new chapter in new york

[shrewd rune]

I hope his death speech about hating the Clerics is relevant

His roast of Maximus was hilarious

[regal carbon]

i liked his fuck fuck fuck while running away from the bear

[graceful crater]

"Listen, I'll do five years at Riker's just to prove my point, I don't give a shit."
Rapaport is a funny actor. Always has been

[shrewd rune]

Bro was Valid Maximus watched him get fuked up

[daring pilot]

Synth can bleed, they are undistinguishable from human except the chips on their heads

[daring pilot]

This could be easily explained as the Army (Enclave) cheapening out the divisions that were not under Enclave control, so redistributing the gear towards enclave facilities. Which during war efforts been observed armies cheapening out entire divisions to give others better gear.

Enclave already killed high up goverment officials just right before the Nuke fells because they were not "in the list"

[small linden]

why is there a normal chicken? in fallout 76 the chicken were mutated and it was 20 years after great war

also what is the ghoul drinking to keep it from being feral?

[tulip sphinx]

I have a question, Moldaver and Rose, what was their connection? is it purely because Rose escaped with her kids and spent some time with NCR?

and was Moldaver somehow in V31? how did she survive?

[sturdy bone]

I think Moldaver was in a different cryosleep vault or something

Otherwise she would've been known right away by the 31 peeps who were awake

I think the connection overall is just that she happened to be in charge of shady sands and rose lived there/became best friends with her

[tulip sphinx]

that makes sense, yeah

[odd marsh]

I have a crush on Dane

my boy is loyal yo

[tropic lava]

oh fuck me. they absolutely know how to tease. that very last scene blew my mind

[empty idol]

haha

the last scene makes me want to play fallout again for 999th time..

oh god please make it stop...

[empty idol]

is dane a female or male

[odd marsh]

nonbinary

[empty idol]

oh

but tbh dane kinda selfish

dane hurt himself but make maximus get into trouble and confessing it later after maximus come back to the mission

[spare leaf]

Biologically, Female.

[empty idol]

okay

[astral maple]

Dane goes by he/him, so its a dude.

oh, make that non binary per the fallout character page

so they/them, etc.

[spare leaf]

I watched it in Thai language dub so Idfk

Bro sound like a girl tbh

[odd marsh]

Dane's pronouns are BROTHERHOOD/OF STEEL

[astral maple]

the actor is a trans man

[spare leaf]

AD VICTORIAM 🗣️

[spare leaf]

oh, no doubt why he sounds so feminine

[astral maple]

[fresh cosmos]

I thought Dane was just a tomboy lol

[small linden]

yo season 2 gonna be in mojave??

where the courier 6 at lmao

[crimson anchor]

Wait what?

Dane is Dane, his pronouns are badass/BOS/soldier

[small linden]

new vegas at the end scene

[dull oxide]

fuckin loved this show man, the best tv adaptation ive seen of a game , nailed every detail,

kinda bummed we didnt see more mutated nature but thats smth i can overlook

season 2 better be better man

[opal cipher]

If we're going to New Vegas in season 2 i hope we see our favorite cowboy securitron Victor

[hexed cosmos]

I mean it would eat a ton to the CG budget so I understand why but still dissapointing

[fresh cosmos]

You know what the more I think about it Shady Sands getting nuked would be the kick in the butt that the NCR needs assuming of course that they dont dissolve into splintered factions. A nuke would be such an extreme event that they would become more isolated and more heavy handed both government and public wise in terms of how they handle people and organization that are hindering them. I can see the public and officials deciding to be no bullshit with the brahmin barrons, and basically any other form of corruption.

[lethal topaz]

finished fallout, it was amazing

LOVED the twist of the dad and the mom, actually jawdropping

my only gripe is that i wish they showed us more monsters, other than that it was so good

also it didn’t show us where that guy who turned into a ghoul went who was with max :(((

[vale harbor]

obviously setting up a sequel

[lethal topaz]

no but they could have at least given some closure on him like the rest of the cast

also barely any brett screen time :((
he looks familiar i swear i’ve seen him in another show

[meager swallow]

So if this cold fusion was so important then what the fuck are microfusion cells and fusion cores?

[odd marsh]

Both run out of juice when used. Cold fusion doesn't.

[warm ermine]

Hard to make money on infinite

[little condor]

No need for Hoover Dam or HELIOS One in that case.

[rare acorn]

Be cool if when they go to NV in s2 they reference the dlc

[little condor]

Not sure what ol' Hanky's looking for in Vegas considering it looks like a major dump. If House is somehow around, I doubt he'd be willing to collab with the rat bastard who wrecked the NCR. Rat bastard as he himself might be, dude kinda needed the NCR to achieve his ambitions. No NCR/dramatically weakened NCR means no/reduced tourist dollars means his plans either need to be scaled way back or flat-out go out the window.

[short dagger]

I agree. Not really sure why he’s heading to NV. Big MT I could understand, but unless in the 15 years between the game and show something happened or Vault-Tec moved, I don’t really see the connection.

[little condor]

Though even Big MT would be a major ask for one schlubby Vault-Tec exec to bust into. There's a reason only a dang Fallout protag managed to tame that place. Hank'd get walloped by the roboscorpions before he could reach the Sink.

[short dagger]

I doubt House is still around since, if he was, I don’t think those walls could’ve ever really have been penetrated with the upgraded securitrons. Maybe they went with an independent ending but The Courier didn’t actually do anything (as in no side quests)? I’m also feeling confused as to where The Courier even is. Maybe they retired or something. Also, who could’ve possibly broken down those walls, and why? Perhaps I’m overanalyzing the credits.

I mention The Courier because of how bad of a shape New Vegas is in, but I also understand that they were never really obligated to care about NV as is.

[azure marten]

I think hank is just looking a place to stay safe and think the only safe place is going to House. Whether House will accept him is another question.

[short dagger]

That’s a good point

[azure marten]

hank know that house was one of the person in the meeting, so it make sense he think house is an allied .

[short dagger]

I’m not sure, I don’t think House would ever care for the assistant of someone he only really talked to in meetings. Plus, he erased Shady Sands, and that clearly dealt heavy damage to the NCR.

[azure marten]

but house with being really skeptical about the vault in the meeting might viewed hank as a possible threat since he represented Vault tec

[little condor]

Yeah, I don't see how Hank wouldn't at least get the cold shoulder from House, if not immediately cut down by Securitrons if he'd still have some around.

[azure marten]

or he going to Sinclair in the sierra madre

[short dagger]

I doubt he cares about the Sierra Madre, and Christine would never let Hank in, even if he did.

[little condor]

Dude outright declares war on the Courier for destroying his Securitron bunker in NV, there's no way he'd make even an uneasy alliance with the dude who destroyed his meal ticket.

[azure marten]

yeah I have a feeling house at best will capture him and interrogated him

House don't fully know who nuke shady sand yet.

and if hank ever revealed that he is the one that nuke than...he likely be dead.

[little condor]

Perhaps Hank could try and pin the rap for blowing up the NCR on the Brotherhood? Not sure if House would buy that.

[wintry linden]

Holy shit, I just finished the show and Hank is at NEW VEGAS

[short dagger]

I’m not sure House would buy that either.

[little condor]

True, I'd think even House would know nuking a city like that isn't the Brotherhood's MO.

[azure marten]

it possible House already have theories of who nuke it. I am betting he have one theory it was vault tec.

[wintry linden]

So House is almost positively the canon ending for Vegas right?

[short dagger]

Yeah, there isn’t much of a tactical nor technological advantage to nuking one of the most advanced cities in the west.

[azure marten]

I am more interested if tunnlers will be a problem in new Vegas

since that been hinted in the game it might appeared in the Mojave

[short dagger]

Hard to say

[wintry linden]

Probably is tho

He’s Vegas’s best hope

[azure marten]

House been teased in episode 8 so it make sense that House will play a role in season 2

[short dagger]

I just can’t imagine New Vegas falling after House’s ending. Maybe the BOS in the east eventually set their sights on NV after destroying the Institute.

[lethal rock]

All we know is it got nuked…nothing else

[azure marten]

I mean a nuke to House best customer and tunnler problem will be enough for New vegas to taken down a peg

[lethal rock]

We know the enclave is still kicking strong, shady sands got booped, the hell is going on in Vegas, and vault tech still sucks and other people coming out of cryo. Oh and The BoS are still butt holes and not “good guys”

[azure marten]

also you got sierra madre gas and whatever experiement from Big MT to also wreck havoc if gotten into Mojave

[jade hazel]

House would probably know what caused the NCR loosing their capital

[little condor]

And if he didn't immediately, I'm sure he has... ways, shall we say, of finding out.

[jade hazel]

I think House may just kill Hank if hes still alive

Since if hes nuked the NCR, thats one of the Strips major customers gone

[dull oxide]

I wish I found this show 6 years in the future so I could binge watch it all

Such a great adaptation

[short dagger]

The show confuses me when I think about the lore, which I usually wouldn’t but Fallout lore is very interesting to me so I can’t help it, I find myself with more questions the more I think about it (the show).

[jade hazel]

All lore lines up with the games though

[little condor]

Yeah, I'm admittedly not a fan of how they characterize House, and by extension make any of us who pick him in NV look like idiots retroactively for backing one of the rat bastards who ended the world.

[shrewd rune]

Not Shady sands location

[jade hazel]

It does feel weird now playing NV

[shrewd rune]

Yeah cause NV is pointless now

[jade hazel]

Apart from that

[jade hazel]

NV is not pointless, it's still cannon

[little condor]

Though honestly, it just makes it easier to bash House's head in with a golf club, or even leave him to die in that pod after disconnecting his neural interface.

[shrewd rune]

Let me spend 50hours knowing everything I did was destroyed a year after the game

Epilogue slides obsolete

[azure marten]

I don't think Mr. house was all in on the end of the world. in the show he is the one who is the most skeptical, pointing flaw and hole of their plan. It likely he was invited to the meeting but still do his own things.

[shrewd rune]

Yeah house is skeptical in the scene

[jade hazel]

I don't think House wanted to ever be in a Vault ever

[little condor]

It also kinda undercuts Lonesome Road. You telling me some schlubby Vault-Tec exec somehow managed to do what Ulysses failed to achieve?

And that all the Courier presumably managed to do was delay the destruction of the NCR by maybe a few years tops?

[short dagger]

Not exactly. The Hub and Boneyard are nowhere to be found, it sounds more like Moldaver founded Shady Sands, and California looked more civilized in 2241 than it does in 2296.

That was meant to be a reply to Hiccup.

[little condor]

Gee, really making me want to replay NV if we achieved precisely jack and shit in the end.

[shrewd rune]

Yeah can’t shake that feeling.

[azure marten]

we don't know what happen in new Vegas other than NCR is defiantly not the one taken the dam

[little condor]

If NV looked to be a functioning city still, I'd agree with you, but at present the place looks like the Boston ruins.

[short dagger]

That’s what confuses me. Who could’ve broken down those walls and destroyed the Strip, and why would they have?

[azure marten]

it also possible something else bring ruin to New Vegas after the main quest like the tunnler.

[short dagger]

Unless there were hundreds of them invading simultaneously, I can’t imagine MK2 Securitrons losing to them.

[shrewd rune]

Yeah we got a crashed NCR Vertibird in the city and dead Securitrons all around with a hole in the wall

[little condor]

That'd just return to the same problem of 'Don't bother replaying NV, your efforts were rendered meaningless by X', whether X is Tunnelers or the NCR taking a nuke to the face.

[azure marten]

I won't trust the art at the end credit too much since in episode 7 they show the griffth observatory to be in absolute ruined

[little condor]

Now, if S2 has NV be more or less fine under whoever's running the place by 2296, I could live with that. At least in that scenario, my NV playthroughs aren't being spat on.

[jade hazel]

The NCR ending could be cannon

[little condor]

If anything, refugees from the NCR could help boost the Mojave's population.

[jade hazel]

Which just don't know

People think the NCR are like on their last legs, they are not

[shrewd rune]

Fair but from Hanks look we can see the city ruined

[jade hazel]

They are most likley a powerful force

[azure marten]

actually the ncr ending is possible

[azure marten]

you could say the same thing of fallout 4 canonized the fallout 3 ending or fallout 2 canonized the fallout 1 ending. just play the game and think of it your own canon

[short dagger]

It’s hard to say, the show didn’t do a great job of showing the NCR to be what it is, or at least what it’s supposed to be.

[little condor]

I mean, 2 didn't render 1 meaningless, because the end results of our actions, aka stopping the Master, meant something. Heck, us saving Tandi allowed the NCR to form.

[warm ermine]

I wanna say this in the nicest way possible but all video game play is meaningless when you’re done playing it lol just enjoy what you enjoy

[jade hazel]

It also didn't show the entirty of the NCR being destroyed

[shrewd rune]

Doesn’t treat it as an entity either

[little condor]

You'd think the NCR would just shift its capital to the Hub, Vault City, or some other major city of theirs, instead of being all 'eeeyup, better collapse'.

[jade hazel]

This is what i think

[little condor]

Especially if Shady wasn't even the capital still, and Hank just nuked the equivalent of Philadelphia.

[jade hazel]

Also the Enclave have been defeated twice now, and they still exist. The NCR probably still exist aswell

[shrewd rune]

🤬

lol I knew it would happen eventually

[little condor]

Yeah, the Enclave thing's gonna need some splainin'. Where even was that base Wilzig escaped from with the dog and the cold fusion thingamajig?

[azure marten]

isn't there enclave reminant in chicago?

[shrewd rune]

Yeah but he immediately runs into Lucy

[little condor]

If so, dude somehow has fast travel.

[azure marten]

either he from Chicago or another place close by where a enclave taken ahold

[little condor]

If the Enclave still has a base on the West Coast, then how in the heck did they go undetected for fifty dang years since Navarro?

[short dagger]

Everyone in California has 0 perception, I guess. Considering how the 3X vaults also went unscathed while the Master and Enclave were pirating around for unopened vaults as well.

[little condor]

Side-note, did they really have to have the Enclave toss puppies in incinerators? Felt way too on the nose even by the Enclave's standards?

[shrewd rune]

I mean they are pure evil

And Wilzeg knew it was time to defect once his project was discovered

[azure marten]

what else enclave do with the unfit puppies? the would kill it one way or another.

[shrewd rune]

Rip Wilzeg, need context from him knowing everything

[little condor]

Yeah, but maybe do so after the pups die? There's no reason to toss living puppies in incinerators like that.

[shrewd rune]

Because they’re probably creating genetically superior dogs, if the dog doesn’t meet the standards it dies

[hexed cosmos]

they're the enclave its entirely within character

[azure marten]

also they need to tell newcomer that enclave are insanely evil

[hexed cosmos]

I mean its not like the Enclave aren't cartoonishly evil in game

[warm ermine]

Ez

Totally on brand for them and yeah easy to be like hey these are the bad guys fyi

[hexed cosmos]

Actually I legit wonder if the Enclave as they are presented exactly was instead made by Bethesda would the fans say that they made them too shallow and unrealistically evil and bad writing.

"Don't they know that killing all life would destroy humanity they can't repopulate these guys are idiots"

[azure marten]

hell, Bethesda made the enclave abit more nuanced with colonel Autumn not wanting to kill everyone

[shrewd rune]

Yeah ironically Autumn is the most chill Enclave member we have seen and he still shoots you if you decide to help him

[azure marten]

autumn was an interesting character that I wished the game allowed me to side with him

go great with a lawful evil playthrough

[hexed cosmos]

TBF your dad nearly killed him

[hexed cosmos]

Were factions even really a thing until NV?

[azure marten]

nope only karma

[shrewd rune]

Yes but he is still okay with Ghoul death camps and controlling the water to force the wasteland to obey enclave rule and genetic testing

[regal carbon]

autumn was more in terms of killing the genetic unpure in camps then just out right gassing them

[shrewd rune]

I hope it means we get to see this Prebomb shady sands in its glory

[azure marten]

he still evil but he at least does not want to kill everyone like president Eden.

[steel warren]

So nudity is canon now?

I thought everyone in the Fallout world had same brand undergarments sewn into their skin

[warm ermine]

Enclave guy spotted

Sewing underpants on

[kindred solar]

Ok so just finished the show
so
1.why did they need the enclave guy's head?
2.why did lucy shoot rose?

[warm ermine]

I’m not sure if 1 is serious

You watched the show?

[kindred solar]

like, why did they need it to activate fusion

[warm ermine]

In the very beginning you see him injecting the code on the little doo dad into his head

The little blue thing

And Lucy shot her mom as a mercy because she was feral

[short dagger]

Thought it was more of a mercy-killing than because she was feral.

[warm ermine]

Well it’s mercy because she’s feral

She knows what happens with the ghouls who turn feral, they don’t know themselves anymore

She knew that it was the right thing to do after learning that

[kindred solar]

dont get why is such a dumb question consideirng it happened 6 episodes ago

[warm ermine]

Well it was the entirety of the show them going around with the head and it being important

[kindred solar]

But before episdoe 8 you didn't know why the head was so important

[warm ermine]

You know it was for the info but you don’t know what the info or medicine or whatever is

[kindred solar]

i understood that i just didnt understand how they actually get the info from the head of a dead person

[warm ermine]

Oh yeah it was a little thingy and moledaver uses the machine to pull it out

[kindred solar]

anyway imma ask here bc #1225375124237062195 is too active

any chance mouse utopia could be a refernece to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o

[obtuse salmon]

I just finished AND I TOLD YOU SO, I knew shady sands in the trailer was the real city

people said "nah its a pre war ruin named shady sands, they wouldn;t have skycrapers and stuff" and I said "shady sands has been aorund for 100+ years now, it has to have a library and shi

And im glad bethesda didnt make the BoS the good guys... again

[shrewd rune]

Yeah we coped hard and were wrong, I'll sadly take that L. And now we have a lore problem of Shady Sands location

[meager swallow]

I don't understand how bombs could fall on LA early in the morning when the first nukes hit New York around 9:30AM Eastern Time.

It would've been around 6:30AM at that birthday party in the opening scene of the TV show, unless somehow the attacks took hours and people were somehow completely unaware until they got hit locally

[regal carbon]

fallout has been weird with when the bombs dropped if im right

like in one of the nv dlcs said it was at night while 4 says otherwise

[hexed cosmos]

I mean the only time they made them the pure 100% good guys was in 3 and they constantly said that it was a deviation and Lyons is a traitor that caused a massive sect in their chapter.

[echo holly]

fav moments yall?

wait do we know what the city hank is going to at the end is ?

[odd marsh]

New Vegassss

[echo holly]

imma have to check that out again

cause come to think of it the spire looks familiar

[warm ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1225376618084827146/1227933928271380551/chrome_VPGY6xi2yc.jpg?ex=662a3596&is=6617c096&hm=e24175f216685ea9827b496808a7cd10a18c7fd7c8d02719a3e193a58c5c08c3&

That’s the strat

[coral mortar]

Its the lucky 38

[echo holly]

yeah i just rewatched the scene and recognized the circular spire thingy

yeah yeah that. its not that tall ingame though

itll be interesting to see the strip in 2XXX <-whenever the show is i forget

[timber raptor]

Have you played Vegas before

[echo holly]

yes

[warm ermine]

Show is 2296

[little condor]

Hopefully we get an explanation for why the place looks more run down than the Boston ruins at first glance.

[echo holly]

so will we finally find out which NV ending is "canon"

season 2

or do we already know

Also i find it funny that its implied the BOS never tought these aspirants what sex was

given max's lines about cocks exploding

[little condor]

Maybe the BoS only teaches about the birds and bees to those who reach Knight? Seems like it'd be a good way of getting fresh members, if nothing else.

[hexed cosmos]

I dunno you'd want to keep these rowdy boys away from that stuff especially if you want to militarize them

[odd marsh]

sex gets in the way of being cannon fodder for the Knight

[echo holly]

we see someone jacking off under covers in the first or second episode

one of the aspirants

[hexed cosmos]

I didnt notice that

[echo holly]

Interesting, theorising about sexual education in the brotherhood of steels aspirant program is new

[brittle vortex]

one thing im a little confused about, wre those raiders or NCR that moldaver inflitrated lucys vault with?

[hexed cosmos]

They likely were raiders with how disorganized and dirty they were

[odd marsh]

There were two groups. A group massacring everyone, and then a second group - with Moldaver - that looked a little more disciplined. But yes, they were raiders. Not sure if all of them were, though. Idk.

[hexed cosmos]

I theorize Moldaver didnt want to waste her few troops and risk them if the Vault retaliates so she hired expendable raiders to do their dirty work

[odd marsh]

Could be!

[echo holly]

also i didnt really get the whole mutant vault 4 thing ill need to wait for someone to summarise it

[hexed cosmos]

Yeah honestly I didnt either it was insanely confusing

[brittle vortex]

i think the people with like, extra limbs and stuff are the ancestors of the people who were experimented on

[odd marsh]

Vault 4's experiment was splicing human genes with animals, to create new life meant for the radioactive surface. The mutants we see in V4 are the descendants of (likely) the less animalistic results of these experiments.

[hexed cosmos]

Best I saw was that Vault 4 tested radiation and wanted to try and create radiation resistant humans by hybridizing them with rad resistant mutants creating abominations and using test subjects from the surface with the mutated members being the descendants of those remaining who revolted after the scientists were killed, and now welcoming people from the surfact to make a better society and welcoming refugees from Shady Sands who then formed a cult in order to cope with their loss

[odd marsh]

However, the Vault's governance by scientists led to unrestricted research, including human testing, which led to the scientists' downfall. The Hawthornes and their staff began working on hybridizing humans with radiation-resistant species, which instead led to the creation of mutants such as the gulpers. Eventually, the test subjects (who were refugees lured in from the surface)[2] rebelled, killing the scientific staff. The Hawthornes, in particular, were killed by a gulper which broke into the overseer's office; Benjamin, overseer of Vault 4 in 2296, claims that that gulper was formerly his Great-Uncle Peter.

Since then, the Vault has been governed by the former test subjects and their descendants, who have tried to make the Vault a true sanctuary from the wasteland, continuing its refugee policy but for truly benevolent purposes.

[echo holly]

hm

[hexed cosmos]

Also I fucking hate hybrid Gulpers keep my Gulpers as Gulpers

[echo holly]

also most of vault tecs secret shadow govmnt vault ideas were really stupid but i guess thats the fallout we know and love

[hexed cosmos]

Gary

[echo holly]

Milk delivering robot = overseer

[odd marsh]

I liked the mouth full of fingers 🥺

When I first saw it, I was like: "YES THIS IS A WEIRD EXPERIMENT"

[echo holly]

???

gotta say repconn and robco are my favourite fallout megacorps

ⁿ_ⁿ

[little condor]

Thought RobCo bought Repconn.

[hexed cosmos]

I kinda assumed it was just weird mutations

[opal hawk]

so is Fallout New Vegas (the game) made irrelevant? literally ncr is no more, freeside and new vegas abandoned and destroyed - and the whole hoover dam no longer necessary for electricity..

[regal carbon]

here look at this

oh misread that

eh shit happens like if you think about it 1 and 2 are irrelevant

[lean wasp]

so question for everyone that has seen all ep

would it be wrong to say that all the us corp where acting like a us mega corp/cobol only caring about profit and deciding that nuking the world to keep the vault profitable

[little condor]

House certainly would have some major 'splainin to do in that regard if he's still alive in the show.

[lethal topaz]

oh yeah what was hank looking at in the ending

what place is that, i’ve only played fallout 4 and a bit of 3 i think💀

[odd marsh]

New Vegas

[lethal topaz]

ohhh i see thanks :3

[opal hawk]

correction: ruins of New Vegas

[little condor]

Which in of itself requires a major explanation in S2 as to why it looks like the Boston ruins when it was fine a mere fifteen years prior.

[frigid echo]

Fuck this show.

I hate it. I hate you. I hate all.

[warm ermine]

Ok have a cool day

[frigid echo]

Can't. It's already ruined

[warm ermine]

Have a day

[frigid echo]

Nah, I might just die already. No new Berserk chapters, Halo is also trash and now this. Maybe god has left us after all.

[analog mist]

Why do you

[analog mist]

Hate it so much

[bright badge]

They're tv shows

[frigid echo]

Yes. And at least Halo is not a part of the canon. But this... they just showed the middle finger to all the work Obsidian made into the franchize.

[analog mist]

What😭 why are you so mad the show was great

The ending with Maximus could have been BETTER but yk, power restored to Cali is fun

[frigid echo]

I mean, shure. Music and aesthetics are great.

But they did my West coast wrong...

[analog mist]

The story was great too, the twists and Vault Tec confirmed dropped the bombs

[tribal belfry]

Maybe he was responsible for vault 21s experiment

[bright badge]

Change is the nature of all things, just ride it out and see where it ends up tbf

[tribal belfry]

He may not have disagreed with them, but had his own motivations for it

[bright badge]

They're not delisting NV

[frigid echo]

I know. But they fucked up three of the main games.

[analog mist]

It’s HORRIBLE and ironic that companies made up the vault experiments, we got 34, and 75 confirmed to be made by them 😭 but it’s a great story point

[bright badge]

1+2 are fine

[analog mist]

Nah they didn’t lmao, it was great

[frigid echo]

Maybe. But that means the courier's story was pointless

[analog mist]

Literally how