EPISODE 8

[lyric bay]

they were involved

[empty idol]

why there arent modern guns like 90 guns on fallout tv i meant fallout 1 and 2 had g36 and ar assault rifle?

[dusk fog]

nah this one was a fun spin on what happened in fallout 3 and well her father kinda was in a vault longer than anyone not frozen

[tribal belfry]

And nv is now a ghost town

[bright badge]

They didn't fit so they didn't appear again

[dusk fog]

they went more into the atom punk esthetic

[little condor]

Though at least this time the dad was a bad guy, so no one would give a crap if he dies in S2 along with whatever comprises Vault-Tec and even House if that rat bastard's still alive somehow.

[lyric bay]

ar-15s in NV disagree

[plain gyro]

Given an NCR victory that makes sense honestly

[autumn sundial]

The TV show mostly used art from Fallout 4

[lyric bay]

BIG MT

[tribal belfry]

But now the NCR got nuked and is probably severely weakened and the only major power is the bos

[autumn sundial]

The gun styles, the vertibird style, the colours etc

[tough gyro]

less than half of the fanbase likes good writing then

[plain gyro]

I do enjoy 4s style, its obv the assault rifle and thats it

[lyric bay]

vertibird is just a different variation of them from the ones the enclave/NCR used

[dusk fog]

only Shady Sands got nuked

[tribal belfry]

Yes the NCR got nuked and that weakens them.

[little condor]

Still, the BoS are probably necessary if S2 has Hank and Vault-Tec be the proper bad guys. Can't stomp a centuries-long corpo conspiracy with just a bunch of assorted randos.

[tough gyro]

because the tv show is following the bad artstyle

[plain gyro]

So ||we flat out confirming that Vault Tec caused the Great War?||

[dusk fog]

they got nuked bout 20 years before the show, it mightve been a part of their downfall but its probably cause they spread themselves too thin

[dusk fog]

yup

[little condor]

Though that doesn't explain why New Vegas looks like a dang ghost town. You'd think the Mojave would take major precedence after Shady Sands's destruction given Hoover Dam and its electricity output.

[warm ermine]

I forgot how chilling that fallout 4 screen music was

[tribal belfry]

Maybe the NCR pushing for Vegas sort of caused that

[lyric bay]

holy shit the Vault Lore we're getting

[warm ermine]

I love all the prewar stuff

[lyric bay]

off-brand Robert House

[lyric bay]

no damn doubt

[tribal belfry]

They took significant casualties, and now are weakened to a point they have no answer for any other threat

[dusk fog]

well either Legion won or NCR did but still had to get out because they spread themselves too thin to hold the Mojave or House won but his predictions were off by a significant margin or Yes Man ending is canon and Courier sucks ass at being a leader of a nation

[dusk fog]

You mean Rodrick Residence ?

[plain gyro]

well damn, obv the primary suspect but should it have been kept a mystery?

[lyric bay]

the De-aging on Hank is a little iffy tbh

[tribal belfry]

Is there a way for the tv show to exist without making nv non canon

[lyric bay]

it doesnt make nv non-canon

[dusk fog]

Yeah, plenty in fact

[warm ermine]

some things just need to be clarified

[lean solstice]

WHOLE LOTTA NOTHING

[tribal belfry]

Then I’m gonna wait until they clarify things before criticizing Bethesda for ret conning

[warm ermine]

Give all the investigative nerds time to scour stuff

[tribal belfry]

I just feel like maybe the tv show could’ve done a better job at clarifying the situation of the NCR

[mortal yarrow]

So the reasons for the war were far.... how do i say this...|| far stupider and insidious than we thought? Or was the enclave still involved like one level deeper? ||

[modern cobalt]

I’m gonna let them do it so I don’t have to 😂

[tribal belfry]

Either could be true

[plain gyro]

My interpretation is that NV is still absolutely canon, ||FO4 went with the NCRs victory so they were still spread too thin, Shady Sands happens, NCR gets weakened even further. We have no confirmation that NV is a ghost town just yet so they might still be around||

[lean solstice]

new vegas is canon

[dusk fog]

EMIL PAGLIARULO I LOVE YOU

[warm ermine]

What’s the significance of this date

[lyric bay]

the only issue with the NCR is they could've done is not had the fall of shady sands happen in 2277 but like sometime right after FNV

[tribal belfry]

And now the bos is back under maxons leadership

[tribal belfry]

Yeah and push the current date of the show further back

[lyric bay]

was gonna say Fallout 1 release date but that was in September of 97

[tribal belfry]

Also I think any people who never played the games might be even more confused at the story of the show lol

[warm ermine]

wait no

[empty idol]

so if ncr victory house is out of lucky 38 or not?

[warm ermine]

10/10/97 was the first release of the first game yes

[mortal yarrow]

cuz the reason given is like ||so whoevers vault/s lives is the winner. but also lets put these deadly situations in there to make it more fun??|| i havent watched it all cuz i have a limited attention span and read spoilers, but id love to know what episode its also in

[tribal belfry]

I think we will know in season 2

[lyric bay]

grammy google says otherwise

[lyric bay]

house cannot live if you side with the NCR or Legion

[unborn spoke]

Emil should just come out and tweet what is going on with the NCR

[tribal belfry]

The interconnected vaults were simply an experiment, but it was not competition between the two vaults

[lyric bay]

then why google lie

[warm ermine]

they actually asked this as a trivia question at the early screening I went to and there are 2 release dates

[rich iron]

Unless there was a dragonbreak.

[lean solstice]

he already confirmed that new vegas is canon

[unborn spoke]

It would help a lot

[empty idol]

oh so why lucy dad goes to new vegas to meet the one behind the wheel like the ghoul said?

[rich iron]

Thats what Cooper thinks at least.

[warm ermine]

its also possible they're dead whoever hes going to see

there are so many options

[tribal belfry]

The NCR doesn’t seem to control Vegas. The one behind the wheel could be hiding out there

[empty idol]

new vegas is canon but the ending is new vegas destroyed haha

[rich iron]

Cooper vs Courier. It'll be the gun fight of the centuary.

[lyric bay]

google is using the steam release date thats why it lies

[lean solstice]

we got a small glimpse at vegas

[little condor]

Maybe the one behind the wheel is House? Not sure why he wouldn't kill Hank on sight for destroying his primary income source, but still.

[empty idol]

oh so the one behind the wheel on new vegas isnt appear on new vegas game?

[pure crest]

It does feel like a mashup of everything in Fo3 and Fo4

[warm ermine]

yeah the other release must be physical

[lean solstice]

“erm… why don’t people in new vegas comment on shady sands being nuked?” Well maybe because the show DIDNT EXIST

[tribal belfry]

Idk, and house’s situation is unknown

[lyric bay]

steam didnt exist in 1997 Grammy

[pure crest]

A pre-war father who isn't ghoulified, a child looking for their father and a mcguffin across the wastelans...

[warm ermine]

LOL dont mind me

[pure crest]

This show is literally fallout 3 and 4 combined, in the west coast

[warm ermine]

I went to bed at 4:30am after finishing the show and arguing with you guys and I woke up at 8:30

[rich iron]

Wait... You know who we might see? Desmond Lockheart.

[tribal belfry]

Maybe house is gone and somebody else who’s more sinister is in Vegas

[dusk fog]

A father searching for his kid

[empty idol]

and the west coast had those disgusting fallout 4 arsenal and not new vegas arsenal

[meager basin]

Looks like Emil confirmed NV is still canon

[tribal belfry]

4 hours of sleep lol

[rich iron]

Courier 6?
Easy Pete?

[bright badge]

Worse. Fisto.

[empty idol]

I MEAN ITS NCR I NEVER SEEN SERVICE RIFLE ON THE TV SHOW CMON!!! or anti material

[warm ermine]

yeah dont judge me for goofy things like "yeah steam released fallout in 1997"

[dusk fog]

Was the guy from Big Mt one of the 5 "brains"

[tribal belfry]

Maybe

[lyric bay]

butcher Pete

[little condor]

Would be a.... gutsy move to have a player character be canonically a monster like that.

[pure crest]

You don't think House is sinister?

[bright badge]

Fisto made NV assume the position

[meager basin]

No he was the guy who created the Sierra Madre

[lyric bay]

no, probably one of the guys who funded them?

[tribal belfry]

I said even more sinister

[bright badge]

more sinister

[dusk fog]

SINCLAIR WAS IN THE SHOW ?

[pure crest]

Lol no he's Sinclair

[meager basin]

Yup

[little condor]

Though still, why would House be onboard with destroying his primary income source? Without the NCR, his plans are shot.

[dusk fog]

I thought that was House

[pure crest]

Sinclair is a heavy set bald military dude apparently

[tribal belfry]

He’s affiliated but not completely with them right? Why was he at the meeting?

[meager basin]

That's Dean Domino

[rich iron]

Sinclair got fat off of his unlimited junk food machines.

[pure crest]

Simple bad writing

[tribal belfry]

Dude does not represent big mt lol

[lyric bay]

nope

[rich iron]

Sinclair was a customer.

[pure crest]

...no, the mural of the sierra madre doesn't have dead domino on it

[dusk fog]

How did he plan on getting into the sierra madre vault then was he stupid ?

[pure crest]

Once again, more evidence NV has been entirely overwritten

[rich iron]

That was a joke Flaplis.

[dusk fog]

So was my response OverbossWarden.

[tribal belfry]

Could the enclave be in nv

[rich iron]

Oh, my bad.

[dusk fog]

It was in NV

[tribal belfry]

As in completely taken over

[rich iron]

That said, does sort of ruin Sinclair a bit. Hard to pity the guy after this.

[tribal belfry]

The dad might be trying to find the enclave

[little condor]

Though that certainly doesn't let Dean off the hook, that bastard deserves to die still.

[lyric bay]

OH HE GOT CUT THE FUCK UP

[dusk fog]

Unless MODUS somehow survived till the events of the show its unlikely, they wouldnt have anywhere to get resources from

[tribal belfry]

I swear no matter what happens the enclave somehow survives. They’re like that annoying cockroach you can’t kill

[rich iron]

Oh yeah, Dean is still the most pettiest mother fucker in the wastes.

[dusk fog]

Yeah, guys a cunt.

[tribal belfry]

Imagine 76 being tied into this lol

[rich iron]

That said, can we just appreciate that the serum guy is genuinely a miracle worker. Like, not only did he make the guy a ghoul, but made him immortal.

[little condor]

Like, I could see them being around in Chicago given what we found out in NV from ED-E, but for them to be close enough to Cali for Wilzig to be able to bolt there is a bit strange.

[dusk fog]

There is a 76 pip boy in the show so maybe

[autumn sundial]

the serum guy also apparently fucks some chickens in an earlier episode, so miracle worker isn’t exactly a fitting description

[tribal belfry]

Damn they need to show a 76 descendent as one of the protags then that would be awesome

[lyric bay]

rpk in the show, peak

[rich iron]

You can be both a miracle worker and a chicken fucker, one doesn't rule out the other.

[autumn sundial]

I guess so 🤷‍♂️

[tribal belfry]

The dude probably used fev

[lyric bay]

Harold style FEV Ghoulification

[rich iron]

Possibily, but at least you know he's an honest salesman. I thought he was a snake oil salesman.

[tribal belfry]

Also the dude was trying to kill himself before

[dusk fog]

Thats how they listed him on imdb too but somehow he is the best doctor in the fallout franchise

[tribal belfry]

I will say it tho this show has made me love the t60 pa more than any other pa

[lyric bay]

they did not fix the welding

[tribal belfry]

There has got to be a catch to his serums man

It’s gotta be FEV or something

[rich iron]

Maybe he's a wizard.

[autumn sundial]

Genuinely one of my best scenes is when Cooper points out a flaw with the T60 armour then proceeds to fuck up like 5 knights consecutively

[tribal belfry]

Wait is t51 after t45 and before t60

[lyric bay]

little too metagamey to me

[autumn sundial]

Maybe but it was cool

[lyric bay]

no. the numbers are exactly how it goes

[tribal belfry]

45, 51, then 60

[lyric bay]

yep

[rich iron]

Shame Moldaver is dead.

[lyric bay]

wait my brain broke you were right

you worded it weird

[tribal belfry]

I wonder why the bos has access to so many t60s I thought they’d be using other PA as well

I wanna see t51 in the show

[lyric bay]

east bos sent west bos schematics to make it? or they found a stockpile like the east did

[tribal belfry]

They probably do manufacture them

[rich iron]

Yeah, Maxsons been reinforcing the western chapters.

[shrewd rune]

Yeah The T-60 Knights came from another chapter

[rich iron]

Man is basically King Steel right now

[unborn spoke]

So Emil saying that confirms my theroy more

[tribal belfry]

We need elder maxon to appear he’s gonna look really badass

[shrewd rune]

One of the Squires even ask what power armor the T-60 is

[unborn spoke]

That Shady Sands was nuked however the NCR still exist and are a powerhouse still but less powerful

[rich iron]

He'll probably appear eventually. And if not, he will return to the west eventually.

[lyric bay]

WHERES HIS FAMILY MCLEAN

[empty idol]

tbh i just knew squire treated that harshly on bos

[unborn spoke]

And their capital is near the HUB with those NCR members being outcasts

[autumn sundial]

I’m excited for an explanation as to how the fuck Moldaver survived 219 years

[tribal belfry]

So is maldevers faction just a resistance/guerilla that is funded by the NCR

[unborn spoke]

Something like that yes

[lyric bay]

have you finish episode 8?

[autumn sundial]

Likely cryo tech of some sort but what/where

[rich iron]

It looks like the ncr might of fractured into several warbands, each proclaiming a president.

[unborn spoke]

Millions of people in fallout are not just going to vanish somewhere

[autumn sundial]

Yea I did finish it, did I miss something

[tribal belfry]

I’m betting we see a bos ncr team up again against enclave

[unborn spoke]

I hope Fallout 5 has you being a member of the NCR

[lyric bay]

Vault 31

she likely got in bc she knew Coopers wife

[upper forge]

Oh wait

[autumn sundial]

Yeah but Moldaver is a staunch opponent to Vault Tec even pre-war she was

[warm ermine]

I'm convinced she lied to sneak in

[empty idol]

so vault 31 is only for rich people like very rich??

[lyric bay]

its the only explaination

[autumn sundial]

And she’s not on the terminal at Vault 31 listing the occupants

[warm ermine]

vault 31 is vault tec management

[upper forge]

I just realized, Lucy’s dad is cooper and the ghoul is also cooper 👀

[rich iron]

31 was for managers.

[lyric bay]

its a big list with a lot of people

[tribal belfry]

She probably used their technology to some extent though

[warm ermine]

I think that one screen probably wasnt everyone they had

[small linden]

ITS STILL CANON

[autumn sundial]

True

[warm ermine]

and also if they do it there they probably do it other places too

the screen didnt have any huge names

[small linden]

ITS STILL CANON!

[tribal belfry]

Now how did the ghoul lose his job with vault tec

[empty idol]

tbh there alot of new vegas ending so everything is cannon

[lyric bay]

he learned how evil they were and quit doing anything with them

[autumn sundial]

he never worked for them apart from advertisements

[rich iron]

Also, Bud or whatever his name, the now robo-brain? I like to imagine that General Atomics gave him that Roomba body just to fuck with him.

[autumn sundial]

BUDS BUDS let’s go

[warm ermine]

yeah they hated him for that

[fresh cosmos]

The strip has seen better days, theres like no light lol

[tribal belfry]

Well yeah that’s losing his job with them, he probably ripped his contract up

[unborn spoke]

I think a small bits of New Vegas may not be cannon due to the ending varitious but everything apart from that is cannon

[tribal belfry]

So did he divorce his wife and take their kid?

[autumn sundial]

he probably told them to fuck off after he heard his wife say she would drop the bomb herself

[empty idol]

what do you mean small bits wont be cannon?

[unborn spoke]

Like to do with the endings

[lyric bay]

like anything like siding with the Legion or Mr House/Yes Man

[unborn spoke]

Bethesda will pick an ending, the other endings won't be cannon. Same thing with Fallout 4

[fresh cosmos]

Depending on when the nuke was launched it could retcon the NCR in NV

[rich iron]

We might see a mash up ending, a hybrid of House/NCR.

[lyric bay]

holy shit they got POWA

[tribal belfry]

It’s been pretty much confirmed Shaun and the institute is blown up

[unborn spoke]

Yes but who directly did it

[shrewd rune]

Well the ranks got reshuffled. It’s basically the Initiate in this show

[tribal belfry]

Considering how the bos is so powerful, I’d say them

[unborn spoke]

Railroad, Minutmen or BoS

[tribal belfry]

Bos has direct influence in the east now and they are a major force

[rich iron]

BOS and Minutemen are probably still around.

[little condor]

I mean, it functionally doesn't matter who blew it up so long as it isn't the Railroad given their BoS hostility. Minutemen could blow the Institute up without fighting the Brotherhood, so there's that.

[upper forge]

That part makes no sense since how much they can salvage from there

[tribal belfry]

The bos probably looted and pillaged their way through and then destroyed it

[upper forge]

I mean it’s still a useful underground facility

[tribal belfry]

Also liberty prime seems hell bent on destroying it, are you gonna stop him?

[rich iron]

Oh. Holy shit. I think I figured something out.

Vault-tec hired the gunners and Talon company.

[tribal belfry]

Oh shit is liberty prime still functional and with the bos?

[little condor]

Though how the BoS clerics in the Commonwealth got wind of Wilzig or at least the cold fusion thingamajig, I don't know.

[upper forge]

Ehh…

[unborn spoke]

Most Likley

[rich iron]

What better way to take out to competition Lols.

[upper forge]

It doesn’t feel like the commonwealth tbh

[tribal belfry]

I swear the bos gotta airlift liberty prime with an airship here

[lyric bay]

Deathclaw Skull!!!!!!

[rich iron]

Also, wtf even is a bos cleric, we seen that term before?

[upper forge]

Feels like they were still based o none west coast since Maximus was recovered from “shady sands”

[lyric bay]

priest

[rich iron]

I know what a cleric is, I play dnd, I mean in context.

[lyric bay]

NEW VEGAS BABY

[little condor]

Would be kinda overkill to sic Liberty Prime out West; not much there that could do more than maybe scratch his paint job.

[tribal belfry]

Nuke enclave and vault tec

[lyric bay]

a... priest

[tribal belfry]

Also fans would probably wanna see it

[little condor]

No complaints there, they have a centuries-long bill that's long past due.

[rich iron]

Alright, what is a bos cleric?
Or are bos knights landed nobility?

[tribal belfry]

Enclave is a literal cockroach that survives anything, liberty prime gotta nuke them again

[lyric bay]

and another chosen one to blow up another oil rig

[tribal belfry]

That’s just Lucy Maximus and the ghoul lol

[rich iron]

What nickname is Lucy getting given? I heard someone toss around "The Dipshit."

[lyric bay]

welp, thats the show done chat

[lyric bay]

the tourist fits her character i think

[tribal belfry]

Or just vault dweller

[autumn sundial]

Nah the dipshit works

[warm ermine]

I like the dipshit

[tribal belfry]

How come the bos got the coolest names like Maximus and titus

[warm ermine]

Thaddeus isn’t very cool

[rich iron]

Because they're more into larping than Caesar.

[autumn sundial]

Maximus may not have been named by the bos

[empty idol]

fallout 3 bos is overpowered

[warm ermine]

“We gave you a name”

[autumn sundial]

Oh yeah nevermind

[tribal belfry]

Bos is just a highly militarized cult

[empty idol]

those nickname sounds like LEGION to me

[warm ermine]

Haha lol lmao what if legion somehow infiltrated some group

[rich iron]

They really went into the cult side, I like it. I was worried that they were gonna have them be the "pure good guys", but I'll admit when I'm wrong.

[empty idol]

to me bos is highly militarized tech scavenger

[tribal belfry]

The bos are jerks that do good things sometimes

[little condor]

Who knew Moore and, as much as I hate to admit it, House was right about the Brotherhood all along?

[simple basin]

West Coast chapter no doubt

[rich iron]

Depending on the chapter, they are either self righteous raiders, a zealous paramilitary organization, or something inbetween.

[empty idol]

thats y miniuteman is the best faction

[tribal belfry]

Nah I don’t like helping settlements over and over

[empty idol]

tech scavenger to me or just robbers

[rich iron]

Magpies.

[lyric bay]

says the guy who isnt even a minuteman

[autumn sundial]

preston garvey S tier

[tribal belfry]

Also is every bos knight somehow celibate now

[lyric bay]

where do you get that

[rich iron]

To be fair, Maximus was not a knight.

[tribal belfry]

Maximus

[rich iron]

Yeah, he wasn't a knight. He was an uppity little shit.

[tribal belfry]

He was pretending to be one though

[lyric bay]

hes just never been with a woman, and hasnt gotten much (if any) sex ed

[simple basin]

I doubt they are acc celibate that are just calibate with non-bos people

[tribal belfry]

I’m willing to accept the fact that Maximus is more clueless than the average bos member

[rich iron]

Honestly, I feel conflicted on Maximus's character. I sort of wanted to see him get executed there.

[simple basin]

Nah im rooting for the love story lmao

Though he has 😐 character traits

[rich iron]

Like nearly squashing his squires head.

[tribal belfry]

He’s not entirely good, that’s what I like about him

[autumn sundial]

Yeah Maximus seems to have narcissistic tendencies

[little condor]

Though that jerkbag Knight he squired for certainly didn't earn himself any favors.

[autumn sundial]

And also a power trip when he gets a squire

[tribal belfry]

He has flaws that put him in bad situations, and I think Lucy brings the best out of him, and the bos brings the worst

[rich iron]

Oh yeah. The characters great. He's the sort you like to hate.
But I really, really want him to suffer a bit. Go through some character development.

[simple basin]

I like that he got what he wanted in the end but he is more focused on lucy now

[hexed cosmos]

Oh my god........oh my god

I cant believe they actually did that

[tribal belfry]

He seems to realize that staying in the brotherhood isn’t exactly good for him

[rich iron]

Did which part, exactly?

[simple basin]

i'd be down catastrophic going back to the BoS after that vault experience

[autumn sundial]

but fish babies 👏👏

[tribal belfry]

That sort of applies to many his knights too. Hazing within the military becomes a tradition and when they get promoted they take out their anger on their subordinates, resulting in a cycle

[autumn sundial]

Yes I suppose so

[tribal belfry]

That happens in the real world as well

[rich iron]

I think it also comes from the reason he joined the BOS. He was weak, so he covets power and prestige.

[simple basin]

I feel like the military dicipline in this chapter was extremely lacking though lmao

[tribal belfry]

Pretty much, he wants power because of his past and insecurities. Seeing a bos PA pretty much inspires him to be a hero

[simple basin]

for what the brotherhood is. These arent NCR enlists

[shrewd rune]

Yeah Elder Maxson doesn’t look so bad now in comparison does he lol

[rich iron]

Comparing a cancer and a shit there, though.

[simple basin]

Maxon I dont think would be down with a bunch of the weird stuff this chapter does

[tribal belfry]

Well He never branded anyone so yeah

[simple basin]

Maxon is a pragmatist and still has the Lyons Pride raised DNA in him

[tribal belfry]

Seriously Maxons bos seems less like a cult and more so just a paramilitary organization

Like they don’t have any weird rituals

[simple basin]

Its bc Lyons prob dropped all the nonsense

[real osprey]

Thanks Todd…. || wiped his behind with new vegas||

[empty idol]

i love new vegas i hate how they butcher it

[rich iron]

Yeah, but we he has also been influenced by the outcasts and folks within the bos that did not support Lyons.
Still pretty sure the Lyons were assassinated, or at least Sarah was.

[hexed cosmos]

This should not be canon at all

[little condor]

Yeah, I'm not sure he'd be down with continuing the war with whatever's left of the NCR. Cold fusion doodad or not, they're hardly a threat anymore, let alone an existential danger.

[rich iron]

What shouldn't be canon?

[simple basin]

Nah he would be diplomatic even with things like helios one exsisting. That war would be cancer and prob destroy the BoS along side the NCR

[real osprey]

Now I know how Sequel haters feel

[hexed cosmos]

Like everything involving the NCR and New Vegas they shouldn't have touched.

[rich iron]

Why?

[tribal belfry]

Wait so is the new airship from Maxons chapter?

[shrewd rune]

lol right

[empty idol]

tbh the only way i see is lucy dad going down ULYSSESS path by finding nuclear sites and blow BOS

[small linden]

Well

[long valve]

||finally finished it. And holy fucking shit the ending of episode 8. The New Vegas Strip and the Mojave Desert.||

[simple basin]

We don't know I don't think

[real osprey]

Also fine show but I won’t forget this todd

[shrewd rune]

They’re under orders from the Commonwealth BoS and aren’t from the chapter Maximus’s group is so probably

[simple basin]

FNV is canon still bro go on emils twitter

[small linden]

I’m ngl the show now feels like the main story and the games are just side stories now lmao

[rich iron]

"32 and 33, 33 and 32. East, west west east. Now tell me why I shouldn't blow up Shady sands?"

[real osprey]

Then who won?

[long valve]

We don’t know

[shrewd rune]

I mean he included Tactics there too. He’s just giving him a timeline of the games

[tribal belfry]

So they just come in and order the west bos around?

[small linden]

Prob Mr house NCR and then it causes the whole NCR to collapse since no one mentions Legion at all

[long valve]

None of the endings are canon. So there is no way to know for sure who is in control of the Mojave

[real osprey]

This is killing me

[empty idol]

if its not nuke then sierra madre cloud

[real osprey]

Holy crap!!

[small linden]

Great show but the whole new Vegas game feels pointless now lmao

[shrewd rune]

🤷‍♂️, we aren’t told shit. Brotherhood rank structure is completely reworked again, can’t even tell who’s who

[simple basin]

Nah I mean we all made the world to get here. Whoever chose to not to fuck over shady shands in 1, whoever destroyed the enclave in 2,whoever destroyed the enclave in 3(lmao),FNV's ending is the only ambigous one,and whoever chose to help the brotherhood in 4 got us too this show

[real osprey]

Ahhh I love and hate this as the same time

[simple basin]

Im pretty sure they never said tactics wasnt canon and have used tactics lore before

[real osprey]

It’s tearing me apart

[long valve]

Minutemen Radio is nation wide

[small linden]

Tactics and BOS are not canon

[simple basin]

Brotherhood ranks are different between chapters tbf

[real osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-nose-tearing-me-apart-sad-gif-26892333

[shrewd rune]

It’s semi canon but they’ve never used lore from it

[long valve]

It was heard all the way in California, so they had to have gotten enough numbers to be broadcasting their music

[small linden]

This show was great it’s kinda crazy how lore accurate it is and how it used details from everywhere

[empty idol]

imagine if lucy dad meets courier six that will be epic

[simple basin]

nah id rather player characters be ambigous

[warm ermine]

What episode said minutemen radio

[empty idol]

so the one behind the wheel is courier six HAHAHA

[shrewd rune]

[tribal belfry]

They didint say it, they played it

[warm ermine]

Which one

Because there was a local radio also

[shrewd rune]

True but this is a radical difference, the leader isn’t even called Elder

[tribal belfry]

Oh forgot but it’s one of the later ones

[rich iron]

Wait... Hm. If we are going to new vegas...
Tunnelers.

[long valve]

I think episode 6?

[small linden]

Also why is new Vegas so barren in the ending

[empty idol]

courier six will absolutely destroy the ghoul lucy and his dad combined

[warm ermine]

There was two different radio stations?

[rich iron]

Assuming Ulysses was right for once in his life.

[long valve]

Amazon’s X-Ray said “Minutemen radio”

[small linden]

Where is free side

[warm ermine]

I’ll have to rewatch that one

[little condor]

Would be a... bold move to pull something like that, given how it'd kinda be a slap in the face to NV players to be told 'yeah, you're canonically playing a monster'.

[long valve]

It showed the entirety of New Vegas. So we’ll get to see everything in season 2

[rich iron]

Its not barren, its far off.

[simple basin]

I mean I guess. You have all the lower ranks. Paladins arent mentioned but theres no reason to think they don't exsist? If cleric is the only issue eh

[empty idol]

evil karma playthought is a thing on fallout too

[small linden]

Do u guys think OJ Simpson watched Fallout before he died

[primal heron]

Buds buds was not something i saw coming

[autumn sundial]

Buds buds are amazing

[warm ermine]

Buds buds

[shrewd rune]

No Initiates which were replaced by Squires, Squires replaced by Aspirants that were higher ranked than them

[long valve]

We’re leaving California and going to Nevada, aren’t we?

[primal heron]

Oh she said the thing

[simple basin]

Werent squires in 4?

[primal heron]

she said the thiinnnnngggg

[hexed cosmos]

The original storyline was great but I hate how they needlessly retcon and ruin the game lore when uneccesary

[autumn sundial]

Yes they were

[empty idol]

lucy dad prolly searching those nuclear sites like how they blow out shady sands but its on the divide and hes blowing bos across the wasteland

[rich iron]

Why do folks think he is searching for nukes?

[long valve]

Why not go to Appalachia? Their silos can reconstruct themselves

[simple basin]

I doubt FNV is retconned. The real lore issue I have is Robert House being cool with vault techs plans lmao

[empty idol]

the only way to get rid everyone and "only us left"

[shrewd rune]

As the lowest rank below Initiate for children born in the Brotherhood.

[long valve]

That is unless the Vault Dwellers of 76 completely burnt out the silos and their seemingly infinite nukes after 200 odd years

[autumn sundial]

Because Appalachia is a bit of a fuckin trek from California lol

[little condor]

That assumes the dingbats that came out of Vault 76 didn't manage to blow up Appalachia in the interim between 2104 and 2296.

[simple basin]

Ah well idk if it really matters much

[empty idol]

if its not nuke then its sierra madre cloud or any mass destruction weapon

[tribal belfry]

They probably did lol

[long valve]

Also I did not know Frederick Sinclair was a big guy or representing Big MT

[empty idol]

lucy dad searching for a weapon thats 4 sure

[lean solstice]

independent ending probably happened

[long valve]

Mr House has to still be alive

[simple basin]

is this real? if so everyone can chill lmao

[lean solstice]

yeah it’s real

[long valve]

The NCR is damaged and there is no mention of the Legion. I doubt they would canonize any of New Vegas’ endings

[rich iron]

Yeah. Time.

[simple basin]

lets gooo. my only issue then really is Mr House

[hallow tangle]

they done my boy NCR so dirty

[rich iron]

He's younger, but the actor did alright on house I thought.

[lean solstice]

Independent ending makes the most sense with the themes of new vegas

[simple basin]

NCR is still alive ong they will come from the north west and save us all

[lean solstice]

Independent ending isn’t the best ending for the Mojave, but it fits the most with the themes of letting go of the past and starting anew

[hallow tangle]

Fact checked by real american patriots

[tribal belfry]

Is there any significance of 76 vault dwellers within the lore. Do they have an impact

[spark maple]

That last shot of New Vegas, holy moly

[long valve]

But why would an AI and a rogue Courier takeover the Mojave and New Vegas?

[rich iron]

An independent ending would allow them to not show the courier. Cause lets face it, no way the courier stayed in new vegas for more than a year.

[simple basin]

Hanlon is immortal ong

[long valve]

We haven’t even seen the Securitrons yet. And I doubt they would even let us see any of the protagonists

[simple basin]

The nukes in the divide are secured

[spark maple]

Maybe the NCR ending is cannon? And with what happened to the NCR maybe it will be another faction power struggle?

[long valve]

They slowed/stopped the Scorched Plague

[tribal belfry]

Did they rebuild Appalachia?

[simple basin]

The legion is being wiped out by a frontier conteingent and will return soon to stop the BoS

[little condor]

Assuming the Securitron army didn't get some kind of shutdown command after NV by, say, some hidden directive implanted by House in case someone managed to kill and usurp him.

[hallow tangle]

Courier probably still stuck at Villa

[lean solstice]

also are we not gonna talk about tactics being on this list

[long valve]

Yesnt

[lean solstice]

Because the Courier wanted to . That’s why

[long valve]

It’s strange how Shady Sands was nuked on the same year as Fallout 3’s events

[tribal belfry]

76 faction vs west enclave we need this

[long valve]

Also how much of New Vegas changed between 2282-2296?

[spark maple]

For a moment I thought New Vegas was set after the TV Show which really confused me,

[hallow tangle]

also its kinda strange that shady sands is now in LA or something?

[iron dew]

A bit upset by the lack of NCR. Was hoping the show would have them rebuild the NCR from scratch

[long valve]

It was originally in a different part of California, I think Boneyard was in LA

[spark maple]

Also how tf did the lights come on in LA? 200 years those power lines gotta be gone.

[hallow tangle]

Its made by Bethesda duh

[iron dew]

True it was originally what mid to norcal?

[long valve]

Cold fusion energy.

[spark maple]

Never known a lightbulb to survive an atomic bomb

[simple basin]

The cold fusion energy thing is cool and all but I stg the NCR had like power infastructure already

[hallow tangle]

im suprised that super mutans didnt showed up because some "VAULT 137267 totally also had FEV!"

[simple basin]

I thought they especially would in the Boneyard lmao

[long valve]

They did

[spark maple]

Yes but how did the lights/cables survive long enough to be powered. The bulbs in my house go out every month

[tribal belfry]

FEV does seem to be overused in fallout

[little condor]

Also, what's the difference between the cold fusion doodad and the regular fusion stuff strewn across the Wasteland?

[rich iron]

They are saving super mutants and deathclaws for season 2 it seems.

[hallow tangle]

you tell me

[long valve]

It’s been 14 years since the events of New Vegas

[rich iron]

That said, wish they called the strange finger creature something other than a gulper.

[long valve]

Apparently cold fusion is much more potent than normal fusion

[tribal belfry]

Also I was hoping we get to see super mutants

[hallow tangle]

real question.... Is Easy Pete still alive???

[long valve]

We’d get a She-Hulk CGI mess

[iron dew]

They did have a super mutant wanted posted

[simple basin]

Tbf arent they like basically gone in the west?

[warm ermine]

I think the minutemen radio is only in the credits, not part of the show

[hallow tangle]

dude stopppp

[sick verge]

What an absolutely fantastic show

[long valve]

Idk why NV fans are seething at this show

[tribal belfry]

True lol

[hallow tangle]

time to let go man

[sick verge]

That was genuinely a love letter to fallout.

[spark maple]

They are? I love the fact that we are gonna get NV in S2. lol

[long valve]

It was well (had comparably better writing than 3, 4, and 76) and that’s saying something as somebody that enjoys all of these games

[tribal belfry]

Cmon super mutants are a core staple of fallout

[long valve]

Yeah but it’s the west

[warm ermine]

Super mutants exist in the show, we just don't see a live one

[tribal belfry]

Not exactly

[hallow tangle]

cause west lost its touch? It was defined by grand cities and politics and now its just barren dessert with Brotherhood being the only powerhouse.. AGAIN

[long valve]

They’re almost extinct in the west coast

[spark maple]

Yea we only get an arm shot from the Enclave

[iron dew]

I'm really worried what bethesda gonna do to NV

[simple basin]

the misscommunication or misunderstanding with the shady sands thing i think upset people but aside from that idk what else there could be aside from Robert House character retconning in ep 8

[long valve]

It’s a different chapter. It isn’t the Mojave, 1 or 2 chapters

[hallow tangle]

They dont have to be hahah they are just overused

[rich iron]

NV fans ironically not letting go, and begining again.

[spark maple]

Also, what was with the Enclave? Why were they wearing those goofy outfits, I thought they wore all black/dark navy?

[long valve]

At least we have best girl, Dogmeat

[hallow tangle]

They can pull out any faction using this convenience

[long valve]

I love her. I’m glad the Ghoul/Cooper let her live and Stimpak’d her

[hallow tangle]

Like there were a second oil rig guys!!!

[tribal belfry]

Thought she would’ve bled out already

[shrewd rune]

Also got damn BoS did not use a single energy weapon

[rich iron]

Church of Atom making a pilgrimage to Shady Sands would be funny.

[long valve]

At least the AR was not shit in design

[tribal belfry]

Too much cgi

[hallow tangle]

Only god awful ww1 monstrocities

[shrewd rune]

Only the Enclave were shown with Laser rifles

[long valve]

It actually compliments power armor. Also the Colt 6520 is now a revolver

[spark maple]

They should make America Rising canon and bring the Enclave back from the East

[little condor]

Hopefully the doggo gets to maul whoever's leading the Enclave by now.

[long valve]

The cylinder rotates and the magazine is just cosmetic

[simple basin]

theres BoS chapters literally everywhere with extremely different cultures tbf

[long valve]

I think the 6520 is a revolver in terms of functionality since the cylinder rotates

[hallow tangle]

well in lore maybe.. i dunno if we still count in tactics

[spark maple]

Was anyone else wierded out by the fact the NCR soldiers at the end were wearing OPS CORE HELMETS ?

[long valve]

Maybe it’s a 10 round cylinder or the magazine feeds each round into its cylinder?

[hallow tangle]

and bos

[long valve]

How tf does the 6520 work in the show since the cylinder rotates like a regular revolver?

[tribal belfry]

How much was the budget for this show?

[hallow tangle]

i was too busy crying over ranger costume

[iron dew]

Not enough lol

[long valve]

$153 million dollars for all 8 episodes

[tribal belfry]

Not bad

[warm ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/35NZKzO.jpeg

thas all you get

[simple basin]

rangers in season 2 ong

[long valve]

$19 mil per episode basically

[tribal belfry]

I’m assuming this show is paying for elder scrolls lmao

[warm ermine]

I know when that scene opened up I could practically hear the gasping on the internet

[hallow tangle]

thats not ranger thats StRanGEr

[iron dew]

Sadly ive seen cosplays better than that ranger setup lol

[simple basin]

anti material rifles about the absolutly RUIN the brotherhood's day

[spark maple]

I feel the Fallout films on YT did a better job. At the ranger

[long valve]

Everybody busted 💀

[warm ermine]

yeah its just them wearing the helmets outside

[hexed cosmos]

Also Im kinda upset they virtually confirmed Vault Tec did the Great War

[spark maple]

Whats yalls opinion on the vehicles?

[long valve]

Oh well, answered the biggest question for nearly 30 years

[simple basin]

I was never a fan of the vault tech theory

[hallow tangle]

Btw can we talk about ... EVERYONE wearing t60s?

[hexed cosmos]

I mean I know it was an idea LONG ago but the ambigiuity was kinda the point

[tribal belfry]

It’s just the bos that has them

[hallow tangle]

And them being Iron man suits?

[spark maple]

I thought the BoS wore T51s ?

[shrewd rune]

Welp at least the BoS did not nuke Shady Sands, instead it was an Incel 💀

[tribal belfry]

? That’s what PA has been like since fallout 4

[hallow tangle]

i hate t60 retconn with passion

[long valve]

The wrist jetpack are a bit interesting

[hallow tangle]

with opening masks? and i dont remember FLYING

[long valve]

Wish we got them bulky ass jetpacks. And how do these fusion cores last DAYS? They last a few in game hours

[tribal belfry]

Jet packs exist just not the wrist ones

[shrewd rune]

TV show reestablishing T-60 as the best

[spark maple]

So is the NCR fully cooked? Or is it just smaller? Surely Shady Sands being nuked didn't completely destroy it? I know it was really big but cmon

[simple basin]

We dunno

[hallow tangle]

dude comparing jet packs to this?

[iron dew]

Remember a producer just recently made a space flight game ha

[warm ermine]

lets talk about something totally different to defuse the arguing - I want clarification on what chem the ghoul was huffing

https://i.imgur.com/5lheK5f.jpeg

[long valve]

I think some sort of RadAway?

[spark maple]

Radaway ?

[tribal belfry]

Don’t ghouls get healed by rads tho

[astral maple]

looks like he is huffing/puffing some radaway

[simple basin]

idk seems fine tbh

[warm ermine]

I dont know why theyd use that instead of the packs though

[lean solstice]

tactics got canonized

[long valve]

It prevented him from going feral. If only Oswald had that 9 years ago

[hallow tangle]

ah another plot hole

[warm ermine]

Like why have it be in 2 different variations

because they show the packs in the show also

[astral maple]

it could just be buffout aswell

[long valve]

Oswald the Outrageous is seething in his grave at Nuka-World

[tribal belfry]

Because with the packs you need an iv

[astral maple]

but they keep calling it the medicine?

[warm ermine]

hmmm I dunno

[hallow tangle]

how will this affect fridge boy quest😭

[tribal belfry]

The iv take too much time, inhaling it is better

[long valve]

So is his wife. She’s also rolling in her grave after taking her life

[warm ermine]

why not just have everyone do it then its so confusing to me

[astral maple]

also, that doctor somehow turned the other scribe to a ghoul, which gave him instant regeneration

[long valve]

They both could’ve had something to slow down going feral or prevent it

[astral maple]

... or he gave him healing factor from 76, lmao

[hexed cosmos]

Maximus out of the Milk Machine made me jump to that

[hallow tangle]

i doubt its radaway

[autumn sundial]

answering the real questions here

[warm ermine]

ok so the issue is hes not "technically" a ghoul? but he gets the regeneration mutation shit yeah

[spark maple]

I really can't wait for S2. With the NCR cooked who knows what is going on in NV. Legion Control? House Control? NCR Soldier Control? Someone else?

[hexed cosmos]

Thats what I said

[long valve]

I wouldn’t be surprised if mutation serums did exist. But they would be very hard to come by

[warm ermine]

maximus the cooler fridge boy

[hallow tangle]

cause there were IV bag right next to it

[tribal belfry]

That just screams FEV

[astral maple]

honestly, we've only seen people be ghouls and not turn into ghou

[warm ermine]

I need answers!!!!!!!!!

[hallow tangle]

every ghoul now have it i guess? cause of that scribe healing too

[long valve]

Hey we got season 2 confirmed

[iron dew]

Would be cool if a NCR faction survived out there

[astral maple]

if i recall the lore mentions that bits and peaces start to fall off, so having thaddaus? whatever his name was, turdicus turn into a ghoul slowly over the seasons would be nice

[hallow tangle]

what if they stuck up north... in the nuclear winter?

[warm ermine]

I love how punchable so many characters are

[meager swallow]

T-60s are supposed to be low cost low end suits for domestic use, yet Todd loves them and the T-45 for some reason

[long valve]

Thaddeus was a bit of an ass

[iron dew]

Keep going. I like this

[meager swallow]

T-51 is the iconic BoS look, but no

[hallow tangle]

Fallout 4 and power armour lore are quite uhhhhh tricky

[long valve]

He abandoned Dogmeat

[astral maple]

T60 was supposed to be an updated t45 at first, but it got turned into the t60

[hallow tangle]

i get the diversity but man

[tribal belfry]

That’s probably why there’s so many t60s in the wasteland

[astral maple]

and honestly, its the bethesda BoS armor, so them rocking the T60 makes sense

[long valve]

You never abandon best dog

[astral maple]

would be nice to see the t45 and t51b in future seasons (if we get them)

[long valve]

The voice filter was also interesting.

[hallow tangle]

he just sent it to a nearest settlement

[ember crag]

Can't believe I didn't check discord yet for people's reactions

[spark maple]

Whats your opinion on the helmet being able to open up? Like the face plate?

[long valve]

She was put in a Nuka-Cola freezer without being able to breathe

[hallow tangle]

I wonder if they ever depict APA

[meager swallow]

They only came out like right before the Great War, unless they had 200,000 ready with a million more on the way I don't see how when the T-51 had been in mass production for like a decade

[long valve]

Advanced Power Armor is almost non-existent

[hallow tangle]

she could... she survived long enough for cowboy to find her

[tribal belfry]

They were meant for domestic use and for riots, I’m assuming they mass produced them quickly. And the bos probably had the schematics to produce them themselves

[ember crag]

Whats with that drug ghouls need now? Is that new or something they're establishing

[meager swallow]

Marvel garbo

[hallow tangle]

shhhh let me dream

[spark maple]

Maybe the only added the openable power armor face plate for the show. Like how the Last of us Show removed spores so they actors face wasn't covered by a mask.

[long valve]

I loved Snip Snap “I am merely going to harvest your organs!”

[hallow tangle]

also if they could pull out t60s out of the thin air im sure they will manage

[tribal belfry]

Also I’m assuming it’s hard to breath in there, and taking the entire helmet off is impractical

[shrewd rune]

Got damn the BoS beat the NCRs ass in this ep though

[spark maple]

I think it's so we can see the actors faces more

[meager swallow]

I assume nothing has been clarified since I checked this morning on the timeline and New Vegas' canonicity?

[tribal belfry]

And maybe contract wise the actors face needs to be shown for a specific amount of time

[long valve]

Lucy was down bad for Maximus. She was willing to do it with him in Vault 4 💀

[hallow tangle]

They had airpods too apparently

[tribal belfry]

That in pretty sure is just the soundtrack not actual radio inside the helmet

[ember crag]

Not that I've seen no

[hallow tangle]

Halo show all over again hahaha

[tribal belfry]

This show is way better than halo

[warm ermine]

I love the holotape of being someones last words explaining a thing that happened

[ember crag]

Emil just tweeted the official timeline but it doesn't clear up the current confusion

[hallow tangle]

nope i meant the pre war scene where he wears it to listen on meeting

[long valve]

I wish the fusion core charge was consistent when Max was wearing the PA

[meager swallow]

I mean she boned her cousin, repeatedly. No accounting for taste I suppose

[tribal belfry]

That I don’t remember

[hallow tangle]

its enjoyable but lore wise its quite depressing

[long valve]

It was from our front view, but I couldn’t tell if it was at 100% charge or lower

[warm ermine]

she was very excited for the "real thing"

[tribal belfry]

I have problems with some of the lore such as the ghoul thing but objectively as a show it’s not bad at all

[long valve]

And her first actual time was with some sterile raider so. Oh well

[spark maple]

I feel the vault dwellers are raised to be less restrictive with sex tbh, the whole breeding to save america thing. If it's normalised to screw your cousin and she just causually asks someone if they want sex then yea

[hallow tangle]

i just think they didn't want to deal with "civilized" land... also Todd loves "rebuilding"

[long valve]

And is Vault 33 the only “normal” of the 30 Vaults?

[tribal belfry]

Were they raiders? Or NCR guerillas?

Cuz they were with maldaver

[iron dew]

We cant have cocks poppin now

[meager swallow]

33 and 32 were experiment Vaults but nondestructive ones like 101

[warm ermine]

need more answers

[long valve]

Vault 31 has them pre-war people, Vault 32 was something else, and Vault 33 is itself

[spare leaf]

Breeding simulator (save America ong)💀

[hallow tangle]

he actually looks like a product of Oblivion customization, great detail

[tribal belfry]

Vault 32 and 33 had the same experiment, it’s just that 32s dwellers found out about it

[long valve]

I wish they showed more Sunset Sarsaparilla ads or bottles

We only had Nuka-Cola in its rocket bottle design

[warm ermine]

there was at least one sunset sarsparilla ad

[long valve]

Yeah and one bottle from Vault 4

[ember crag]

Only saw it once in like episode 7 or 8

[spare leaf]

And that's the only one 💀

[spark maple]

Yk when the rangers were digging for lead I was thinkin, "Watch one of these mfs dig up a blue stared sarsaparilla cap"

[long valve]

What do y’all think Lucy’s SPECIAL and her skills are?

[spare leaf]

Nerd Rage

[meager swallow]

Can we assume that all Vaults had that massive scale we see when Lucy leaves 33 and what we see in the games are just for gameplay conventions?

[tribal belfry]

Also why is there no colour tv

[hallow tangle]

charisma 1 build all the way

[long valve]

Also I think she would be level 10 if she survived out here for 2-3 weeks before she found Hank

[warm ermine]

Ok so they played the radio and it's called that on the amazon xray because thats just what the radio is - I dont think there is any in story mention of it being that, could just be another radio

[tribal belfry]

Some vaults were intentionally designed to be small and cramped, but yes for gameplay purposes they had to be small

[hallow tangle]

just like founding fathers intented

[warm ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/SL7q56z.jpeg

[long valve]

Her carry weight is likely 30-40 pounds. She is playing Survival mode and is on hardcore/Permadeath

[spark maple]

I think games are limited by their time, the vaults are smaller in the games because they ran on the 360, TV shows don't have that issue, they could CGI a vault the size of a stadium lol

[hallow tangle]

she downloaded preset mods tho

[spare leaf]

I wonder what's that medical thing in the bag-

[long valve]

Her Speech skill is like 67

[hexed cosmos]

No Nuka World acknowledgement I am sad

[iron dew]

I originally thought he gave the scribe a super mutant potion

[spark maple]

Isn't that in the East tho

[hexed cosmos]

But at least they kinda ruined Far Harbor so its only fair

[ember crag]

That doctor was hilarious bro was gonna kill himself

[hallow tangle]

shes like what level 8 by the end?

[meager swallow]

Too bad the Vault 4 guys didn't have the serums from the Whitesprings Bunker

[long valve]

Also this BoS chapter is more of a cult than any other chapter we’ve seen in canon

[hexed cosmos]

I still would've liked to see a billboard or soemthing

[long valve]

They had interesting mutations

[meager swallow]

I must've missed something here

[iron dew]

The sierra madre

[hallow tangle]

yeah... I think they overdid it with whole "Knight-Scribe" relationship

[long valve]

“Hail Knight Maximus!”
Yeah they chant and shit

[hexed cosmos]

They kinda changed Gulpers to be weird human hybrids. Unless thats just a blanket name for them.

[tribal belfry]

The show has shown me how scary radroaches can be

[hallow tangle]

considering them always lacking manpower it would be just incredibly stupid

[spark maple]

How did it compare to the Washington Brotherhood or the Chicago Brotherhood lol

[spare leaf]

Mf somehow got a kill assist 💀

[tribal belfry]

That one was specifically vault 4s doing

[ember crag]

It's fallout 76 I guess

[meager swallow]

I don't know,it seems in line with the pre-Arthur West Coast.

[hexed cosmos]

I know but I really didn't like it

[meager swallow]

Wearing their Crusader pastiche on the nose

[long valve]

Also like I’ve asked many times, is the Colt 6520’s magazine cosmetic? The cylinder rotates when it shoots

[tribal belfry]

What? You’re telling me you don’t like humans giving birth to monsters?

[hallow tangle]

? Elijah is sane compared to those

[hexed cosmos]

Someone saw the Fertile Breeder mod and said "Wait thats a brilliant idea"

[ember crag]

Actually

[tribal belfry]

That fish tank was fucked up

[long valve]

Also the Ghoul’s gun sounded like a musket whenever it shot

[spare leaf]

• watched the first episode
• had a sex scene
• considered it peak

[hallow tangle]

Fallout 4 legendary weapon

[long valve]

What’s his legendary effect? Anti-armor?

[meager swallow]

FO1 and 2 BoS is super culty

[tribal belfry]

It’s not peak until you watch fish tank

[hallow tangle]

a mini mini rocket i guess

[iron dew]

Wasn't expecting nudity but it was well timed

[hallow tangle]

nudity? that guy ass?

[tribal belfry]

The cult one was weird

[warm ermine]

there was 2 butts, and some tiddies

[ember crag]

The ghoul served in Anchorage right? Or some other time period

[hallow tangle]

yeah

[long valve]

The Ghoul’s gun
Damage: 759
Accuracy: 120
Range: 300
DPS: 1649
Legendary effect: Anti-Armor, ignores 95% of armor

[iron dew]

Thy cult in vault 4. Lots went topless

[long valve]

Value: 399,999 bottle caps

[meager swallow]

AAE25 Revolver

[long valve]

Seems to be a 4 barrel revolver thing

[hallow tangle]

They destroyed NCR just to use caps #conspiracy

[long valve]

Everybody has 0 damage resistance or threshold

The guys in T-60 cheated. They had 1000 damage resistance, 98% damage reduction, and 400 damage threshold

(Except in the torso area, that area deals 70000x damage to power armor people)

[tribal belfry]

Wait there’s no inflation with caps is there

[hallow tangle]

Plot Armor... probably stolen from a previous game mc

[spare leaf]

What is that guy's name, the guy who followed Maximus?

[hallow tangle]

so i guess Hub is still online?

[tribal belfry]

Thaddeus

[long valve]

But everybody else has like 1 damage resistance and 1 damage threshold

[meager swallow]

Titus getting fucked up by a yao guai while in PA was mega dumb

[spare leaf]

He turned to ghoul, right?

[long valve]

Also Lucy had like 1 point of rad resistance

[meager swallow]

Especially when Maxipad tanks explosive bullets 10 minutes later

[tribal belfry]

We don’t know

[long valve]

He probably had the healing factor serum from 76. He regenerated

His lifespan was reduced since he can regenerate damage

[tribal belfry]

So no chems work on him

[hallow tangle]

internal trauma i guess?

[warm ermine]

ok but why did they conveniently leave this bottle unlabled

[spare leaf]

I've never seen a M14 in any fallout games except the TV series

[long valve]

Healing factor mutation in the show
Positive effect: regeneration of all damage
Negative effect: Chems are worthless

[warm ermine]

https://i.imgur.com/2W1rzhb.jpeg

[long valve]

That was an M14? They downloaded mods mid game

[hallow tangle]

would be funny if helmet was permanently dented

[ember crag]

They never say chems

[warm ermine]

radaway doesnt heal you, just cures rads

[long valve]

We haven’t seen Rad-X, Mentats, or Psycho

[hallow tangle]

wait you label your meds?? lame

[warm ermine]

all his other bottles have labels

it just feels convenient that this one isnt

since it seems easily up for debate as to what this is, and is probably the same stuff the ghoul is huffing

[long valve]

Think that one guy in the beginning took some Jet?

[hallow tangle]

enclave had a hand in this

[warm ermine]

yeah that was jet

[spare leaf]

Jet is basically deadeye from RDR2. That's why that cowboy ghoul is so fucking skilled

[long valve]

What did it do, increase his AP?

[warm ermine]

well he died right after so we dont know lol

[long valve]

It sure as hell didn’t slow down time for him

[tribal belfry]

How long do fusion cores last

[hallow tangle]

i wonder if jet is prewar in this version.. wouldn't make sense otherwise because how our beloved dwellers would know about its effect

[long valve]

The Ghoul used VATS

[ember crag]

How did that turret miss every bullet

[long valve]

Specifically the Fallout 76 VATS and had like 500 AP. Damn herbivore build

[hallow tangle]

i hope it will be permanent like before, short fuse cores never made any sense

[long valve]

The fusion core lasted like a few days without change

[hallow tangle]

its pretty accurate to fallout 4 depiction

[tribal belfry]

I think it doesn’t last forever, but it’s not as short as gameplay

[hallow tangle]

well if it can power building for 200 years +

[long valve]

“Please remain calm”

[tribal belfry]

I swear Maximus used up all his ap with that jet pack thing

[ember crag]

I guess my memory fails me then cuz those are annoying on survival

[hallow tangle]

i wonder how Mojave chapter is doing

[shrewd rune]

Me when they destroy Shady sands just to restore shady sands

[long valve]

Hank felt silly

[hallow tangle]

probably all died out

[long valve]

He did what the people in 76 do, but it’s permanent and not a temporary thing

[shrewd rune]

Sigh makes New Vegas pointless

[hallow tangle]

well i meant the ones YOU build

[hallow tangle]

exactly

[hexed cosmos]

maybe the Tunnelers got them

[long valve]

I knew where season 2 was going to be when I saw the Lucky 38

[shrewd rune]

At least it being the couriers nukes wouldn’t invalidate a whole game

[hallow tangle]

all because 1 random overseer got divorced

[long valve]

Hank is pre war

[shrewd rune]

Also not confirming any games ending but blud is going to New Vegas

[iron dew]

They better have Victor in season 2

[long valve]

He did a Fallout 4

[hallow tangle]

and all ghouls are now deadpools

[tribal belfry]

I like how Hank nuked a city just because he couldn’t get custody of his kids

[long valve]

Also Vault 33 is now Vault 13 with the water crisis

[tribal belfry]

Imagine nuking your ex wife

[hexed cosmos]

Also not sure about seemingly canonizing the reason for the vault expiriments

[hallow tangle]

Barbara i want to see my kids

[shrewd rune]

Except ferals who are now the easy ones to kill lol

[tribal belfry]

Hank is toxic af

[warm ermine]

Also to clarify for anyone who was talking about the minutemen radio - it's not the actual minutemen radio

[hallow tangle]

Vault tec starting the war is kind of goofy... cause why would House miss his delivery then?

[long valve]

Just Minutemen Radio to play its songs?

[hallow tangle]

if he knew about planning of it

[tribal belfry]

Bro sabotaged himself

[warm ermine]

It's just called that on amazon basically yeah

[hexed cosmos]

Also I dont think House gave an expiriment idea

[hallow tangle]

should have payed for premium

[tribal belfry]

Well we don’t know whether or not they actually did that. They suggested it as an idea during the meeting

[long valve]

House didn’t. He was more concerned over the Strip

[shrewd rune]

To be fair he never actually proposes an idea unlike the other people in the scene

[hexed cosmos]

I mean Robco has always been connected to the Vault since theyre the ones who gave them all Pip Boys

[long valve]

What did Sinclair propose?

[warm ermine]

Shows minutemen radio on the xray, but it's this guy playing it on his station

[hallow tangle]

or his idea were "Casino vault" which would be very funny

[iron dew]

Maybe house has a city wide vault setup?

[hexed cosmos]

but then why would he get rid of it?

[hallow tangle]

he literally cemented strip vault

[long valve]

Who was against Sinclair?

[tribal belfry]

I don’t think he gave af about the vaults unlike the other companies

[long valve]

And when did he ever work for the Big MT?

[hexed cosmos]

Wait Sinclair was there?

[long valve]

Yes. He was representing Big MT

[tribal belfry]

He supplied them with tech sure, but that was for money. But he doesn’t care about experiments

[hallow tangle]

no wtf

[hexed cosmos]

Okay yeah thats fucked

[long valve]

It said that at the meeting. Big MT

[hallow tangle]

yes but how was it sinclair?

[long valve]

And the X-Ray said his name was Frederick Sinclair

[tribal belfry]

Which is bad writing, he wasn’t even apart of big mt

[hexed cosmos]

maybe it was coincidentally another guy named Sinclair?

[simple basin]

Robert House shouldn't have been there imo either but you know

[iron dew]

Thanks todd

[hallow tangle]

its so over

[dense owl]

He was directly apart of much of the experiments

[simple basin]

Idk stuff like that is eh. Show was pretty good

[dense owl]

even went out of his way to form multiple Psuedo vaults

[tribal belfry]

Well it could make sense for rob co to be apart of the meeting, but he probably ended up disagreeing with them

[hexed cosmos]

I really wish the show didnt muddle up the lore so much at the last second because it was fantastic until then

[simple basin]

Yeah im not a fan of him being apart of the nuclear holocaust conspiracy. He would be 100% agasint that

[hallow tangle]

So Sinclair and House BOTH knew about start of the war and BOTH fucked up with their plans

[simple basin]

He should've left midway imo

[long valve]

Yeah

[dense owl]

He imprisoned himself in the lucky 38 because he knew

[long valve]

Who was with Repconn?

[tribal belfry]

We don’t know if he did. We never saw the end of the meeting, in fact we only saw the start of it

[hallow tangle]

i guess richest people on earth has the shitiest schedules

[dense owl]

that’s why the entire events of nv happened because he miscalculated

[lean solstice]

correct me if i’m wrong, but aren’t the hazmat suits from big MT?

[dense owl]

and the chip didn’t arrive on time.

[simple basin]

But he also miscalculated in his game theory stuff and thats why bombs hit nevada it doesnt make much sense

[ember crag]

Ye

[simple basin]

Especially if he was this deep into the conspiracy

[long valve]

This is going to rewrite so much of canon

[dense owl]

Makes sense for him to be apart of the vault tec upper echelon.

[simple basin]

It does and doesn't. He should've rejected them

[dense owl]

Sinclair was from Sierra Madre dead money whom also knew

[iron dew]

Already has. Yea i fear its gonna get worse in season 2

[long valve]

I also loved how much of the licensed music from the games was used throughout the season

[lean solstice]

adding lore is not the same as retconning lore

[dense owl]

house cares about personal profits. Wouldn’t be surprised if vault tec connections were what enabled him to get the chip to begin with

[primal heron]

My guess is its a mutation from 76

[warm ermine]

gasp

[simple basin]

I just don't like that change to his character. I never got the vibe or notion in NV he was cool with the literal destruction of civilization

[warm ermine]

Also this is 76 players

https://i.imgur.com/lzjfjpC.jpeg

[hallow tangle]

meh i think you are doing writing for writers here... lore wise this is very bad

[dense owl]

He literally let everyone in Vegas die

[primal heron]

It cures all but has a downside to me thats a mutation

[tribal belfry]

Maybe he knew they were gonna drop the bombs, but he didint think it was that soon

[dense owl]

he destroyed vault 21 to protect himself. He’s that fuckin petty

[simple basin]

I don't think that implies he is okay with the literal destruction of all of human civilization

[lean solstice]

Right on point

[hallow tangle]

also that way he lost all of his assets... doesnt really make sense

[long valve]

So. Vault-Tec dropped

[dense owl]

Again. He let everyone die. Didn’t even attempt to build bomb shelters

[primal heron]

oop lucy killed her mom

[simple basin]

And customers

[warm ermine]

it was a mercy kill

[dense owl]

he’s basically Andrew Ryan

[long valve]

Why did Vault-Tec decide to nuke the U.S. and force China to retaliate?

[simple basin]

That doesn't mean he would be okay with nuclear holocaust bro

[iron dew]

Dont need bomb shelters when you have vaults

[primal heron]

100%

[long valve]

Also we didn’t learn shit about Vault-Boy. He’s still a mystery

[tribal belfry]

I don’t think he could’ve stopped it either way

[hallow tangle]

cause writers loved the idea of evil corportations being evil corporations

[dense owl]

Idk house was well protected and abused his mentally Ill brother to collect his company

[iron dew]

Asking the real questions

[simple basin]

He shot down a couple of warheads to my understanding

[primal heron]

Also why the fuck did the ghoul leave cold fusion with the brotherhood

[long valve]

Not his problem

[hallow tangle]

his brother was a massive dick tho

[dense owl]

sold faulty products that would rather kill you then he fixed

[hallow tangle]

most of them*

[tribal belfry]

You said nuclear holocaust, which would mean destroying America. You can protect nv but nuclear destruction will still happen

[dense owl]

and that’s not counting all the other stuff from 76 dudes an asshole and only cares for himself.

[iron dew]

Only 2 nukes landed in Vegas i think. Or a handful

[hallow tangle]

he planned on all but amazon did its thing

[simple basin]

Idk really could care less about most lore changes if FNV is still canon. My only issue is this change to House's character tbh

[dense owl]

that directly fits houses character

[tribal belfry]

I think it was a handful

[dense owl]

notice how he doesn’t give any vault concepts only asking for profits and control

[hallow tangle]

No its not,his only interest is a technological advance

[dense owl]

nope. Nv and 76 state otherwise.

[hallow tangle]

Nuclear war is not exactly ideal space for research and development

[tribal belfry]

He also criticized the vaults and didint believe in its purpose

[dense owl]

77 launched because irony, I think 67 or so shot down

[simple basin]

I still think it goes agasin't his overall philsophy especially considering his goals for HUMANITY in FNV. He doesn't care to destroy the sectarian conflict in the world so he has a clean slate to do what he wants. He literally likes the NCR bc they are customers and consumers to him

[hallow tangle]

dude? 76 maybe but NV? in what way man

[simple basin]

He wanted to be Hong Kong/Singapore

[dense owl]

He doesn’t care for humanity in nv. He literally kicks out the homeless and kills anyone he doesn’t see as useful lol

[tribal belfry]

He couldn’t stop the destruction of America either way, he could only protect NV which he did to an extent

[simple basin]

He cares for the advancement of humanity on a wider scale bro

[dense owl]

freeside westside and north Vegas square are erased and the rest of the Mojave falls

[tribal belfry]

So he made the best out of a bad situation that was handed to him

[simple basin]

He is a sociopathic utilitarian

[dense owl]

somethin somethin space we’ve argued this to death before it doesn’t work

[long valve]

When did he preserve himself in that chamber?

[dense owl]

He’s an autocrat. He states that himself.

[simple basin]

I didn't say he wasn't

[tribal belfry]

Like what’s house gonna do to stop vault tec from dropping the bombs on America? Every other company also wants this he can’t do shit about it

[dense owl]

About 1-2 year or so prior to the war.

[simple basin]

but vault techs plan goes agasn't his implied philsophies in Fallout New Vegas

[dense owl]

lucky 38 was removed of all staff and closed off house was never seen again

[long valve]

Vault-Tec*

[tribal belfry]

Vault Tec doesn’t give a shit about houses plans

[hallow tangle]

I think you misunderstood "humanity"-as a passion for all humans and "Humanity"-As a man kind

[long valve]

Vault-Tec was the most powerful corporation prewar

[primal heron]

Hollywood sponsored by nuka cola!

[dense owl]

you mean his plans such as “everyone in my company should cut out their brains to be used in the future of nuclear war”

[primal heron]

[simple basin]

I didn't say they do lmfao my issue is his lack of opposition to their plans in the meeting scene and voice overs about his interest in it aswell with his vault suggestions

[long valve]

It had more money and influence than even the United States Government. Vault-Tec could not be bargained with

[simple basin]

He would not be pro-vault tech in that scene

[primal heron]

S2 just gonna be lucys dad becoming the new house

[dense owl]

House cares about himself and his city first. Real Andrew Ryan hours

[tribal belfry]

He did voice his concerns of the vaults because he didint like it, but even then the vaults are a thing and nuclear destruction is going to happen.

[meager swallow]

This is a retcon too

[hallow tangle]

he would probably just place production lines in them hahha

[long valve]

Vault-Tec*. And House did not care

[meager swallow]

All of the big corps were supposed to be in on it with the US Gov to form the Enclave

[hallow tangle]

and i hate it 😭

[dense owl]

Vault tec was literally ran by the government.. >_> it’s enclave property

[simple basin]

They all do in the beginning

[tribal belfry]

So again it doesn’t matter what house thinks, because his beliefs are irrelevant

[hard portal]

Nah that i think of it

[long valve]

But then what purpose did the Enclave have if Vault Tec was the most powerful entity prewar before the Enclave?

[bright badge]

I mean he's a business man, he has none

[meager swallow]

That's why the Oil Rig could monitor all of the Vaults

[tribal belfry]

Yeah and we never got to see the end of the meeting and what house does

[simple basin]

House knew it was going to happen but from what I remember he knew in the sense of game theory calculations not a vaulttech conspiracy he was in on

[bright badge]

Enclave were trying to get control of the US

[hard portal]

Fanatically wanting to advance humanity, with psycopathic dendencies, would definitely lead to cutting away humans who are unhelpful or useless

[meager swallow]

The Enclave was the US

[hallow tangle]

well at least thats what he told courier

[long valve]

Keyword WAS

[simple basin]

I mean we can do the he was lying meme if we want

[hard portal]

Tossing out the homeless and such seems perfectly in line with the thought of Mr. House wanting to advance humanity

[dense owl]

It’s only about I wanna say 30-40% of the government?

[long valve]

They were barely even alive in the West Coast. We don’t even know if they still exist by 2296 in any part of the U.S.

[bright badge]

^

[meager swallow]

I really really really hate the idea that VT launched the first nukes

[long valve]

I’d be damned if MODUS and the Whitespring still existed after 200 years

[hallow tangle]

"only"

[dense owl]

It was a proposition doesn’t exactly mean it happened.

[shrewd rune]

So do we actually know how Madover lived so long

[tribal belfry]

What would destroy it?

[simple basin]

wdym was? Yeah we knew everyone knew but no one aside from the in-universe RAND corproation was doing game theory as extreme as he was. It implies an ignorance to a wider conspiracy with him doing that which is not shown in the show is all

[hallow tangle]

its heavily implied... and overseer had access to nukes

[long valve]

Also Vault-Tec is the proper spelling correct?

[meager swallow]

And it doesn't make sense. We have radar and sonar data of Chinese bombers and subs on their way well before the first detonation

[hallow tangle]

Vault Technology yes

[long valve]

Its name has no h I’m pretty sure. Even subtitles spelled it as Vault-Tec

[dense owl]

correct

[hallow tangle]

Also fallout 4 chinese sub sending out nukes ... first?

[dense owl]

In general companies are either Tec or Tek not Tech

[long valve]

West Tek, Vault Tec

[unborn spoke]

What do all the companies that sat on that board do