#Ban Finland in Draft

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prisma hawk
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Hello everyone,

Cards are primarily balanced for constructed and not limited play. This means that situations can occur where the powerlevel of a nations' cards differs greatly between these game modes. To balance draft, 1939 normally adjust the rate at which problematic cards appear in draft.

Finland might not be the best ally nation in constructed, but has been the best ally nation in draft ever since they got added to the game. Finland got great additions to their already insane card pool with the recent United Front mini-set.

My fear is that while all 4 ally nations got nice new cards added to their card pools, Finland will continue to pull ahead. I think that the difference in the quality of draft decks between Finland and non-Finland decks is so big that it would probably be best if Finland is banned or disabled from being selected as an ally nation for Draft specifically.

Given the recent announcement about draft (here: https://discordapp.com/channels/261080886743793665/566233671594672129/1346841899314446417) I do think that Draft is still a relevant game mode for Kards, which means that there is an interest in maintaining a healthy meta/balance in Draft too. I believe that a Finland ban in draft would add balance to Draft.

Feel free to give feedback, ask questions and discuss.

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shadow egret
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Completely agree. I’m not a big draft person, I’m to short tempered for that mode (KEKW ) but I was playing one yesterday. Extremely tired, not really focusing, with us/fin meh deck - easy 7 wins.
Finland is crazy.

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And before we’ll see typical response like: „Finland as last minor nation got small card pool to choose with, that’s why it’s so strong blah blah blah…” let me say this:
Devs can put specific restrictions on anything, cause it’s their game. Just balance it, please, instead of looking for excuses.
🙂

finite lava
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Completely agree. Finland as an ally in draft = most op win condition the game has to offer. It's very unbalanced

full gazelle
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Honestly I’d have separate reserve pools between constructed and draft for this reason

plain wadi
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luke warm conservative take: figuring things out is the best thing in draft, the best time to get in is with a new expansion because even experienced players take time to adjust to the new format. therefore the format have to be changed more regularly to remain interesting:
Ideas for that:
1/ have rotating allies every week have only 2 of the 4 minor nations present in the draft pool, since minors are the better allies this will boost main nation allies' pick rates and dampen the finland fatigue, this is probably the easiest to implement
2/ have a different reserve list for draft. it doesnt make people feel bad that they cant play with the most overpowered cards like in constructed since they didnt pay for them. this is probably a headache to implement but the devs dont have to worry about messing with people's investment in their collection and even if the screw up the format they can just revert/change them regularly

unkempt solar
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I disagree

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finland is fun

prisma hawk
# plain wadi luke warm conservative take: figuring things out is the best thing in draft, the...

I agree that the 2nd idea is a headache to implement. I don't think it will solve anything though, as Finland has almost exclusively strong cards. How do you balance this nation with others that also have a lot of average or bad cards? Is the idea to take their bad cards out of the pool so that all nations have only strong cards left?

To the 1st option: I don't think being unable to pick 2 different minor nations each week would help balance Draft, unless the unavailable nation is Finland. Inability to pick Poland, France or Italy does not lower the stark difference in card quality between Finland and non-Finland decks

lethal saddle
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I think the most funny thing is that after ALL THE OP CARDS Finland is still missing on the ladder or official games. 1939 should be ashamed. How disrespectful to their sugar daddy.

unkempt solar
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tf lol

sinful dove
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whar

plain wadi
sinful dove
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finland is only good in draft cause its got big units and good effects that dont have consistent counters

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unlike constructed

lethal saddle
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I think a well designed nation should shine in constructed. If a nation can't enter the ladder or tournaments, it simply means that its whole system is less efficient or less powerful than the other. Players vote by their choices.

unkempt solar
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just

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it kills stuff

sinful dove
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nah stuff like the %sturmi% is a menace in draft

rare daggerBOT
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Cards found: 1

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sinful dove
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but in constructed you will not see this anywhere except for heinz

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and heinz isnt in the best spot rn

lethal saddle
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Yeah, one card alone Finland might be nice. But it's the whole Finland system that's absolute shit

prisma hawk
# plain wadi draft will never be balanced, its too random for that. draft should be INTERESTI...

I 100% agree with you that draft will never be a "balanced" format, and also agree that the focus should be on enjoyment and being interesting and fun to play.
Exactly this part is what I would argue for: I think that moving Draft from less to more balanced enhances players' experience of the format and gives space for other nations and cards to shine.

In constructed it is known that some meta decks are "oppressive" in the sense that they push other decks out; once or if these decks are nerfed we regularly see a bloom of all the once suppressed decks that become playable. In that sense, banning Finland in draft as the clear best nation (by a very long shot) should give rise to other nation combinations and let them breathe more

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Oh lastly, one of the things I am most confident in regarding the Draft meta is that Finland is the best nation and no other nation comes close. A difference that is too vast is not good for the game mode, in my opinion.

unkempt solar
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bomber mafia of cyclone

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i have one cyclone alr

plain wadi
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banning all of finland isnt the way but imagine if you will t26 strigdsgruppen and sturmi are reserved for draft, they are still good but no longer opressive

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take 3 from each nation if you want to

unkempt solar
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oopo wrong chat

prisma hawk
hollow pumice
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I feel like this makes sense in a balancing sense but I don't think removing an entire nation from draft really makes sense just because it's powerful.
I dunno just entirely removing a choice feels weird

lethal saddle
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Removing Finland might violate the contract between Finland government and 1939. They does not pay for their nation to be limited access

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Overall it's the crappy card design of 1939 to blame.

hollow pumice
lethal saddle
lavish tiger
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What is draft?

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hollow pumice
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Frick

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That was a bad typo

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Got an E instead of W

lavish tiger
thorn plover
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Almost 90 tickets with ours combined

hollow pumice
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HOW

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How does one get that many tickets?

thorn plover
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Years of national progression and never playing draft

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I've probably only played it like four or five times lmao

hollow pumice
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Why not try it then?

thorn plover
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I have but draft just doesn't appeal to me very much as a gamemode

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But that's not me saying draft is bad

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I just enjoy constructed more

unkempt solar
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man can we ban US instead

hollow pumice
unkempt solar
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US is arguably more annoying

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just becuase of develop

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lmao

plain wadi
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im sorry but they are not a problem. infinite outrage starts at like turn 10 fin bullshit start at turn 1 and never stops

copper fern
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OR... we could make Finland more balanced so it wont need to be banned? thonk

prisma hawk
inner ridge
lethal saddle
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no, countermeasure is not the biggest issue. The new Molotov and the finnish boy is beginning to become a trend on the ladder

unkempt solar
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molotov

hollow pumice
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I'm looking at this again
Just played a draft and realised how fricking ridiculous the difference is
I had a good German Italy deck but still found it insanely difficult to beat any deck with Finland ally.
The moment they pulled out a sturmi, I was cooked
Something does need to be done.

inner ridge
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finland cards should be nerfed, as simple as that.

marsh finch
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Finnish cards should not be nerfed because they are good in a side mode. Balance should focus exclusively on the main gamemode of the game.

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That being said, simply banning finland in draft allows for greater flexibility in constructed finnish balancing since draft is no longer a variable in balance (which even if it should never have been, it being completely removed is even better)

hollow pumice
ionic niche
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Draft should never drive balance changes
Nerfing stuff for that mode is a bad idea

prisma hawk
true comet
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besides, infantry regiment 36 is a nightmare everywhere

blitz, shock , draw a card, 4/3, op cost 1

this is a ridiculous card design ever
even if it is a elite
they bring back something like the old California