PANZER IV-H

[true thistle]

Can’t fight covert units on deployment. Please fix this 🙏🤞

[sly pike]

!panzer iv-h

[worldly granite]

Cards found: 2

[sly pike]

Normal, not a bug

Covert units cannot be targeted by deployment effects or orders unless they say so specifically

[true thistle]

They should be able to tbh 🤔

It’s a unit even tho it’s covert right?

[sly pike]

No, covert is just special in that way

Yes it's a unit, but no it cannot be targeted by enemy orders

Or deployment effects

Until it is attacked by another unit to reveal it

[dense bear]

Covert cannot be targeted by deployment effects
The only can only be flipped over by attacking them directly
and currently fight is not actually an attack (different rules of how units damage each and what not)

It's the same way you like won't be able to fight the king tiger

!King Tiger

[worldly granite]

Cards found: 1

[dense bear]

Since it can't be targeted by deployment effects if it's in the backline

[true thistle]

Roger. Thanks for the feedback

I’m down for special needs

Even in the military

Covert troops are people too

[fiery charm]

Covert are already so weak.
If they can be target by deployment effect. Then why we need covert

[blissful tangle]

Because you only get targeted by Fight (and it's still a fight) and some specific effects.

You can't get targeted by artillery, bombers, CMs , majority of orders, etc...

[buoyant kite]

I think people missed the fact that Fight is its own effect like Retreat or other. Fight is weird because it ignores heavy armor but not passive effects. It also applies before any buff or debuff

[clear anchor]

👆

[solar dome]

technically speaking they can also be flipped over by at least 2 cards: the polish Lublin fighter and Hidden Plans (as far as I know)

[buoyant kite]

and by that german countermeasure

[solar dome]

yeah though I wonder how much it is a "flip it over" vs. a "comes into play suppressed and not flipped over"

[buoyant kite]

well Hit The Drop Point flips it over and suppresses it if I remember

and then*

[eager badger]

The whole point of Covert is that they can't

[eager badger]

Oddly enough, it triggers healing effects

[eager badger]

!spear

[worldly granite]

Cards found: 2

[solar dome]

good find yeah

[eager badger]

Tip of the spear also allows

[solar dome]

healing effects like?

[eager badger]

Like from that Italian plane

!fiat

[worldly granite]

Cards found: 6

[solar dome]

ah yes

[eager badger]

Fiat G50

[solar dome]

because it doesn't specify combat damage, but any damage

[eager badger]

It's an odd interaction, but it's less problematic than it seems at the surface

[solar dome]

basically anything is applied to fight if it DOESNT specify combat

heavy armor specifies combat therefore doesn't work

[dense bear]

Passives do work though

Fight is just messy atm
Hope it gets fixed

[solar dome]

yeah passives don't specify combat specifically

yeah I hope it gets a bit more streamlined/clarified

currently hull down is a bit worse since part of the tanks' value (the HA) doesn't apply

[dense bear]

It also just isn’t clear exactly
Not intuitive which is never great

[buoyant kite]

Define healing, like, when this unit is attacked give it +1 +1 type of thing? Cause that's just a passive so yeah it makes sense.
Countermeasures also activate mostly after Fight, some like deployment effect Countermeasures work before it but yeah

[eager badger]

Healing I mean adding HP to the HQ

[buoyant kite]

Oh yeah I noticed that

Some units it makes sense like the Soviet one which converts damage received to HQ health. But yeah Fiat for example isn't really clear to me lol

[modern vector]

no thay arent weak?

[fiery charm]

You never see a covert deck or even a single covert unit in FM

I think covert is a fun way to play. But they are so limited. All being cost3 meaning, you aren’t fast enough to compete with aggro and not bulk enough to hold the board with control deck

[thorny wyvern]

There’s some tech choices with them, but it’s few and far between

[clear anchor]

They are more gimmicky than anything else