Card Balance

[fickle tendon]

1. Why are there mass removals in this game that have no answers?

No matter what tactic you choose, your opponent is killing your entire table and there is nothing you can do.

These cards are not even elite, they can be cast several times during the game. This is just stupid.

Such cards should be severely limited in use.

2. Case two OUTRAGE - why is there a Retribution that gives you two more Retributions. Another idiotic idea where the opponent plays with himself by doubling the number of cards in his hand and throwing another Retribution.

OUTRAGE is too strong a card anyway - it simply ruins the game.

[cunning goblet]

the answer for mass removal is not to spam your unit over the board, always keep some in your hand for the case

for only 1 or 2 units mass removal is such too expensive for it function

also most of strong removal is either special or elite

monsoon a special case is rotated

their nothing to complain about mass removal

for the outrage it was nerfed severely since release , it good but not so op

[fickle tendon]

@cunning goblet It's hard to keep troops on hand when you need to kill your opponent.

And it's even harder to win when your opponent casts mass removal 3 times per game.

A good card game should not have such cards. You should always have an answer to this.

Playing against an opponent who is playing against themselves, controlling the table because there is no answer and no sideboard in this game is not fun.

[sullen bone]

What mass removal are you talking about?

[vivid crescent]

Pretty much all card games have AOE cards as it is the only way for slower decks to truly put a stop to aggro. WIthout them aggro decks are generally to good to stop. As said above there is a skill in playing around such effects by not committing to much to the board so you can rebuild from it. Most decks when built well have draw options to make sure you have gas to recover if played carefully. Or you can also look into certain buffs that can get your units above the damage from most AOE orders

[sullen bone]

Bud thumbs upped his own post

[sly briar]

I like how 1939 can print covert units, remove ss mr from the game, such that all the good Aoes are now elites and a few specials, and people will still complain that there’s no counterplay to board wipe spam

If people are gonna complain anyways, might as well bring back ss mr, just saying

[granite osprey]

wdym no counter what counter should there be to mass removal

we do have stuff that counters deployment and orders

like ultra or evasive

but also not all card games have that at all

[sullen bone]

The counter to mass removal is playing mill

(Or just not playing all of your units)

[pale pebble]

Outrage is shit game design, but mass removal isn't broken
you shouldn't be putting all your eggs (units) in one basket (field)

outrage fundamentally goes against the basic rules of the game, but its fun and devs seem to be butchering it with nerfs to all retribution cards so its not too big a deal

[fickle tendon]

@sullen bone
Bomber Mafia
Carpet bombing
Naval Engandment

Each od this Cards you van cast twice.

[sullen bone]

Italian, British and US

So at most you'll encounter any 2 in combination

So 4 board clears

Seems not too hard to avoid then

Considering two of them require you to just not play too many units at once, or have units above 3 health

And Naval Engagement requires you to just play into the frontline more, and again not play out too many units at once

IDK, seems like these are all fair mass removals that just require some thought/experience to counter/mitigate

[fickle tendon]

@sullen bone Everything sounds nice in theory...
In practice, you have mass removal cast every other turn.

[granite osprey]

that's not enough cards to cast every other turn lol

without some serious order copy shenanigans

in practice none of these cards are meta or very good

bomber mafia is def prolly the best

carpet just doesn't see as much play as it used to, and naval only matters, as said, for support line stuff

It just seems like you'd do better learning the strategies and playing the right cards to counter these other cards rather than make a suggestion

as said, a good way to make sure you don't get your back blown out is to not overplay on board if you suspect a board clear is coming, you can instead use a turn to hit face and draw cards etc

[pale pebble]

carpet bombing is only good against specific nations

and its very situational

but yeah, just dont overplay

board removals exist to punish shitty planning and overplaying

if you get punished, chances are, you fucked up somewhere

[sly briar]

@fickle tendon what rank are u playing in

[granite osprey]

and even THEN, good aggro decks run cards like 35(t) or tk early that can hit face the turn it's played and dont care about board removals the turn before

[pale pebble]

naval engagement is so underutilized its funny
i don't think ive seen it ever

[granite osprey]

and also also if you take that long you deserve the L

naval engagement is mid, because Italy is mid

[pale pebble]

yeah, aggro decks usually start winning way before the opponent has the kredit slots required to board clear

[granite osprey]

like decent card but the buff to decima hurt it but also why would you play much Italy

[pale pebble]

alpine is the only reason i can see someone playing ita

well, that and pizzaggro

or 99/99 horse

[candid thicket]

Just like in real life

[candid thicket]

I’ve seen some crazy US/Ita ramp decks haha

[candid thicket]

These cards are pretty balanced. Bomber Mafia removal only works against weak units and you need to have 9 kredits for it to work. Carpet Bombing has a high cost for what it does and you can just have stronger units to counter it. Naval Engagement isn’t mass removal, it just destroys support line troops, nothing in the frontline. And these cards do have counters, in the form of cards and strategies, just don’t overextend your position or play like Ultra or smth.

[olive brook]

Also remember that aggro/tempo decks are usually 1 of 2 types

One that is too fast to remove and not let it rebuilt in like 2 turns

And one that has too big bodies to get mass removed

In terms of control stuff and matchups

I think that the game is in its best state since

Ever?

I mean

I started playing in BiA

And the balance of AOE and mass removal was never as great as now

1939 is doing crazy work ( if we exclude shibata )

[pale pebble]

yeah, esp with RotSS being removed

there are still funny combo removals like funny japan intel + salvage guard

[heady sorrel]

Babe wake up

Someone’s making the weekly Kards complaint post

[crude socket]

No matter what tactic you choose, your opponent is killing your entire table and there is nothing you can do.
I think the only board clear in the game that you can't just buff your way out of or take frontline, that's also not an elite, is Uprising.

[pale pebble]

!uprising

[barren estuary]

Cards found: 1

[pale pebble]

yeah technically

but uprising takes forever to setup

i guess technically rome + HQ99 + damage spread order is also a full board wipe ?

probs the most obscure one possible

[olive brook]

Not if your opponent has an even funnier setup

[pale pebble]

true

[olive brook]

Technically if u have 2 bushmasters

[pale pebble]

but its close enough, and there's a good chance you'll end up killing their HQ before all their units

[olive brook]

And ur opponent has an immune to damage 1/3 heal fiat

And a bunch of 845th

Thats not a board clear

Thats a game crash 😎

[pale pebble]

and technically with double strength you can make copies of elite board clears

[olive brook]

6 nukes in one game

[pale pebble]

3x last man anyone?

[olive brook]

Same goes for als

Imagine

3x als

And 2x double strength

Thats 6 TTLMs

[pale pebble]

Douglas Macarthur would approve

[heady sorrel]

I mean

A board wipe I can think of rn is winter warfare and the ISU-152

[pale pebble]

probs better if its tora and ISU

[heady sorrel]

Yeah

[olive brook]

Or depths of winter + winter warfare

[crude socket]

yeah but all of these are elites

[heady sorrel]

Bring back monsoon

Trust

[pale pebble]

!isu

[barren estuary]

Cards found: 2

[olive brook]

Fr

[pale pebble]

damm for some reason i thought isu was special

[olive brook]

We need monsoon back

[pale pebble]

tank's so mid for an elite

make isu 9/4

🙏

[olive brook]

Nah

Its crazy good

[pale pebble]

as a board clear yeah

but historically that thing's gun deleted things irl

[olive brook]

Its a 152mm howitzer

What do you expect

[pale pebble]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152_mm_howitzer-gun_M1937_(ML-20)

bonk