#opt on / off to share your played deck to everyone

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void magnet
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EDITED! everyone can copy your played deck?

when was this introduced?
and when were the players asked?

well, I don't want that.

I don't support other people, who don't want to or can't create decks themselves.

copying is one thing, or video recording or remembering.
but you still have to do it YOURSELF! do something and use your head. AND it takes time! if the time is not worth to do, then you are not worthy to get it.
PS. it is not a copyright or policy thing/violation ,it is only a "minor" or private case of intellectual property...and the fairness to let the player decide!

That's why I'm asking for an optional one!
everyone can decide for themselves!
may be general opt on for friends

pastel light
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eh

obtuse hedge
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Copyright only applies to things that have the potential to make money

pastel light
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i dont think it matters much from a deck builder in FM

pastel light
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it doesnt really matter

abstract lynx
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Bro is actually asking if copyright applies to a deck he made in a video game he didn’t make

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And also the insults we could do without, it’s just a deck in a video game and you are neither stupid nor incompetent for using somebody else’s deck

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This feels very elitist to me. “Do something and use your head”, “I don’t support lazy and/or incompetent people, there are enough of them in our society”

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There is nothing wrong with copying someone else’s deck in this game, it’s not an issue at all. It’s not gamebreaking nor does it lend an unfair advantage. It just allows people to play the decks their opponents used against them, there is nothing wrong with that

obtuse hedge
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In fairness, I'm not fond of deck copying either. If 39 was to get rid of it I'd be all for it.

But there is something to what Melon is saying about the inappropriate wording. I would recommend softening the wording quite a bit before a mod gets involved.

umbral oracle
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Make sure to only give constructive criticism. No tolerance to insults like that. Will close this post if people start insulting each other , fair warning

obtuse hedge
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Worth mention: although there is no excuse for the OP's insults, the fact that feeling cheated in that way yields such strong emotions should by itself be considered an argument against this mechanic. It is a very strong irritant for a lot of players. Even if some of us are better about keeping it civil (as we must)

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That being said, that's hardly new information to anyone.

abstract lynx
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You shouldn't be getting upset over somebody using your deck in a deckbuilding game. Why do they feel cheated if they aren't being cheated. It's not a harmful mechanic in anyway, nor does it cheat people. Infact it aids the community being able to use all of these decks, it helps new players learn to deck build and it doesn't harm you if somebody else uses your deck

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This mechanic is a good one, not a bad one that should be opted out of

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Also, they won't get immediate access to your deck, they need to work for the cards first as well

obtuse hedge
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I wouldn't say I get upset over it anymore, but I used to and I understand the sentiment.

When I build decks, it can take me a dozen or more games to get the combination just right.

Think of it like if in F1, any team could have access to an exact replica of any other team's car and setup immediately before the race. Each driver is different (though I'd argue the mind of a given player in cards during a game matters quite a bit less here), but fundamentally it hurts investment in R&D.

As far as access, that's mostly a matter of how long a player has been playing.

abstract lynx
obtuse hedge
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You can look at it as gatekeeping, or you can look at it as sportsmanlike mystery.

Or the saying, "a good magician never reveals his secrets."

Perhaps a more familiar phrase in the furry community would be "don't ruin the magic."

Sometimes keeping something quiet can prolong the intrigue.

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obtuse hedge
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Really? I went to a convention in Virginia twice, heard it often there. Granted, online not so much. It's in reference to fursuiting.

I can't put exact words to it well. But there's something to going through half a person's deck, knowing that they for sure had 2/3 limited cards and wondering after the game (or presuming the other person may) whether the guy was crazy enough to use / not use that third one somewhere further down the deck.

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desert ether
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LOL

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either way i understand

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obtuse hedge
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If it's not your experience, I don't know that I can explain it better. But know that it can be extremely irritating for some.

But in general I've found it more fun to draw out certain puzzles longer.

I do, in fact, share some decks here anyway. Though I do feel like a certain mystique is lost.

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Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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Maybe if I compared it to fursona stealing that would ring a bell?

abstract lynx
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Fursona stealing is different from using someone else’s deck in this game

desert ether
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I guess its just like if someone used your pencil that just happened to be lying around. i fraction of people do get uncomfortable with that

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lol

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umbral oracle
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It’s weird arguing about this when tournaments in kards are open decklists

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lol

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Even before the copy feature

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umbral oracle
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Everyone copied top players decks from tournaments

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Albeit 1/2 adjustments

abstract lynx
umbral oracle
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But otherwise, everyone is to an extent, copying top players anyway

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obtuse hedge
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desert ether
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well i personally dont mid people copying my decks cuz more push and mill the better :>

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and tsuruga

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and discard

abstract lynx
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obtuse hedge
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Another person having it doesn't affect you outside of the attachment

desert ether
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imagine a society where people face push and copy it and everyone is using push

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: D

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obtuse hedge
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In mathematics, a similar shape may have different dimensions, but the same fundamental layout.

Imagine that emotion on a smaller scale.

And let's be fair, some fursonas are extremely generic.

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Just that some of us really do put a lot into our decks. I find that control in particular is very sensitive to changing even one or two cards.

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Whereas Brit air I find I can switch out a lot for basically the same effect

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As long as it follows the same fundamental theory

abstract lynx
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Okay?

obtuse hedge
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I guess I just don't know what else to say. It's okay for us to disagree. Just something I thought I'd mention.

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Not that I'd defend the sorts of insults the OP was making, just to be crystal clear on that point.

abstract lynx
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Okay

void magnet
void magnet
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however, it should be every players own decision. like it is in every other card game, where such an option exists (runeterra, cue - there no copy, only watch)

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it is one thing to play what all others play, and work to workout a deck to play against these decks... but do it yourself

void magnet
# abstract lynx But in this case, a fursona is an alternate identity for someone and someone can...

you have understand nothing from the other discussion. your "logic" is so wrong. let us look in commercial . if my idea is sold only in europe yet and someone in China copies it and sells only in Asia, so you think I can keep calm , as I would not loose anything??? I am very sure, you have never had any own creative ideas. ah yes, you will reply, it is not commercial, yes, it is not, but I want only to compare your point of view, like everyone can copy all everywhere. totally equal if here or somewhere. the different to commercial is only money and penalties.

abstract lynx
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This is nothing like selling something and somebody else taking your idea, this logic is flawed. If somebody uses your deck it doesn’t harm you in anyway, you won’t even notice it

bold flax
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I don't even know if I like the deck copying but bro made me swing the other way the weird way he talks about it lol IP and copywrite don't apply here

umbral oracle
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The only IP and copyright here is 1939, players do not have IP

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Decks and cards all belong to 1939

bold flax
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Like it's just weird to open ur suggestion insulting people and calling them lazy and incompetent, doubly if you proceeded to misunderstand laws ngl

umbral oracle
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Yes, opt out feature is good, but I wouldn’t call people lazy or incompetent. If the feature is there, players will use it to copy, why would I do the hard work when someone else already did it for me? I think not using the feature when you can and want to, is not smart imo.

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I personally would opt out too, but that’s just me. I could see a world where someone wanted to play a competitive deck or have a reference, they could just copy deck and go from there

clever bluff
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I have a great story

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Once i was playing skirmish

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Playing some generic list likr everyone else

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Then i met one guy with amazing list who beat my ass

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Hard

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I copied the list and reached 90% winrate even tho it was pauper

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What does that mean?

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I stole their shit

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I abused their creativity

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I was too dumb to find out about a deck like that

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Beacuse of the copy deck feature i could throw the entire need for deck making skills out of the window

abstract lynx
# clever bluff Beacuse of the copy deck feature i could throw the entire need for deck making s...

That doesn’t matter, people who are new to the game can use the feature to test out different types of decks, look at how to structure a deck and learn how to make a deck fit their playstyle by changing certain cards in the decks. They can learn how to deck build by checking out other people’s decks. And if you are an advanced player, it doesn’t matter because you know these things. Adding an opt in/opt out feature gate-keeps decks, not allowing newer players to learn the game by getting a play style and learning how a proper deck is made. You aren’t stealing their ideas and you aren’t abusing their creativity, you are just using their deck. Copying someone else’s deck is only good for the game and there are no downsides to it. Like I said earlier it’s not gamebreaking or adds anything negative to the game

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clever bluff
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I will ask you one simple question

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Is piracy a theft?

abstract lynx
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How is using someone else’s deck, piracy?

umbral oracle
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Copy feature just makes it easier to do so

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Someone with a pen and paper can do the same thing

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Nothing in Kards belongs to you, not the cards in collection and definitely not the decks.

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It’s all digital, 1939 can go bust one day and you won’t get a single thing

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It’s all trivial, yes I don’t like it when people take my ideas and make them their own. But let’s be honest, all the top decks in the meta, at least in high FM, are all variants of the decks posted in #tournament-results-and-decks anyway.

Sure there might be one or two decks that aren’t in the OCC but make top FM, but that’s the very small minority anyway

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I don’t believe it for a second when someone says “i invented jalvage” or “I invented Heinz” because it’s all nonsense. They might be the one who publicised it but i can guarantee someone out there somewhere has been playing it before the so called “creator”

bold flax
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I've been explained why it's not quite the same as pen and paper, nor is it the same as tournament decklists, because it disincentivizes pro players from testing specific tech in games since it can be easily found out before said tournaments.

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also piracy isn't theft btw

dense blaze
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is someone gonna shoot me for screen recording matches and then copying the concept of the deck

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oh no!
i used the concept of someone else's deck!
I've now stolen their creativity!

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its the same with copying a deck, who cares, does it make a diff if someone copies your deck 1:1 or if they copy the core concept of your deck

obtuse hedge
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Playstyle, sure. Exact combination is a bit sad I think.

bold flax
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unless they went through their entire deck, which is unlikely, you'll have more info than you would otherwise

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and again like, I can see how it hurts comp players trying new little bits of tech that weren't revealed

dense blaze
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better file a patent to the patent office for "new tech" in a card game

bold flax
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yeah that's what that means

dense blaze
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even before the card deck copying button came into the game, you were able to copy card deck info during the match using exploits

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this just leveled the playing field

bold flax
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what lol

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what a horrible argument lmao 'well you could exploit it and this is the same thing'

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that's clearly not uh

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what's intended

dense blaze
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oh no!
lemme go press charges for someone copying my deck!

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but but but he stole my idea!!!

bold flax
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buddy took the L hard

dense blaze
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its almost like what card games are supposed to be, people figuring out the meta, and other strats, and implementing it into their own playstyles

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copying decks makes it easier for community to iterate on new strats

crude solar
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ya know what they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

obtuse hedge
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Someone using pen and paper can only do that if all cards were used, and that rarely happens.

Even if they saw every card between different games, they can't be sure it was the same version of the deck

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void magnet
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you are resitent to read, I will block you now

abstract lynx
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Okay?

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dense blaze
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this seems hella elitist for a mobile card game
"Oh no someone isn't sweating as hard as I am to win in this game!!!!!"

abstract lynx
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This is super elitist for no reason

dense blaze
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90% of this game's playerbase is casuals who don't give a fuck how "meta" or "original" your deck is as long as it can get them some fun out of this game

void magnet
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read it

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and who cares about meta??? this topic is not about. meta decks are free

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to find everywhere

dense blaze
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and so are your decks

void magnet
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ah no

dense blaze
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oh, cause your deck is just so original

void magnet
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you need to rebuild

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read my name,ok???

dense blaze
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so whats the difference between rebuild and importing the deck

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both are 0 effort

void magnet
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then read the topic

dense blaze
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oh no! the opponent isn't sweating as hard as I am!
I'm so mad!!!

void magnet
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quote:

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copying is one thing, or video recording or remembering.
but you still have to do it YOURSELF! do something and use your head. AND it takes time! if the time is not worth to do, then you are not worthy to get it.

abstract lynx
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Bro edited out all of the insults lmao

dense blaze
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do you really think your time is worth anything LMAO

void magnet
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yes,this were great times, analog tournaments.... none couldcheck your deck.... great times for creative people

dense blaze
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and not worthy to get it?
Do i have to pull an elite card out of a rock otherwise im not allowed to use it?

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come forth, Excalibur, your help is needed, for i cannot use the deck of the opponent without going through the trials and tribulations he went through

void magnet
dense blaze
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damm, i didn't know other card games had tanks and planes like this

void magnet
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can't you discuss objectively??? How old are you?

dense blaze
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you know, in other card games, people were face to face

void magnet
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like noted above, not read?

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explains a lot

dense blaze
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that's about as subjective as it can get

void magnet
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no ,not feelings

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are you unable to read???

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my time and my creativity

dense blaze
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your time (in a mobile game) and your creativity (something other people have also thought of)

void magnet
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yes, my time, and not yours

dense blaze
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like i said, want to make sure nobody copies your deck?
go to the patent office
file one

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go ahead

void magnet
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again unable to read???read the topic. I copy for you

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copying is one thing, or video recording or remembering.
but you still have to do it YOURSELF! do something and use your head. AND it takes time! if the time is not worth to do, then you are not worthy to get it.

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there is the answer to your reply...

dense blaze
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oh no!
i violated his copyrights regarding his deck!
i'm going to be sent to internet gulag by the internet police!

void magnet
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and n ow.... block

novel saddle
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I copy every deck I encounter an memorize all the cards in case I face it again

void magnet
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lucky me, 46 years old, 3 kids, self-owned business...

novel saddle
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It gives me an advantage

void magnet
dense blaze
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Fails basic english skills
tells others to reread his original feelings
starts bragging about his irl achievements
cries about people copying his decks™️©️
Blocks everyone who disagrees with him

novel saddle
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I know all the cards in all the decks now

void magnet
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yes, so it is your own work if you make a deck or rebuild. this is fine. and ways better than to copy a complete work

dense blaze
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next time ill make sure to sweat buckets while trying to build an original deck

void magnet
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and if you have nice fun deck, you should decide if everyone can copy it. this is my intention. I play only fun decks.... just as a note.

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desert ether
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funnily enought he suggestion itself got more thumbs up

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(maybe you remove the part about laziness even if you think so?)

void magnet
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checkout

desert ether
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im sure people will agree with the suggestion

void magnet
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already edited

abstract lynx
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void magnet
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however, it is a kind of laziness. but if the players here a fkd up with this, ok.

abstract lynx
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Yeah, the op doesn’t strike me as the best person to be around

dense blaze
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him as a person is whatever, i doubt anyone is good deep down

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but his opinion aint that great

void magnet
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I see a lot blocked messages...no way to make the topic ridiculous so that it is closed