#bruh, i just create a monster

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hot mica
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its back and better
Major power: Japan
Ally: France
HQ: TRUK

Japan:
3x (1K) TYPE 94 TK
3x (1K) SURPRISE ATTACK
2x (1K) HONORABLE DEATH
2x (2K) TORA! TORA! TORA!
1x (2K) ISOLATION
1x (2K) DESPERATE MEASURES
1x (3K) NAVAL OPERATION
1x (3K) Ki-46 DINAH III
1x (3K) LAST RITES
2x (3K) D4Y SUISEI
1x (3K) AUDACITY
1x (3K) 2nd RAIDING BRIGADE
2x (4K) SENDAI REGIMENT
1x (4K) Ki-83
1x (4K) BOMBING RAID
3x (4K) 61st INFANTRY REGIMENT
1x (5K) N1K-J SHIDEN
1x (7K) KIKKA
1x (8K) HOME DEFENSE
1x (10K) TO THE LAST MAN

France:
3x (1K) VIVE LA RESISTANCE!
2x (3K) DEFEND IN DEPTH
2x (5K) PHONEY WAR
2x (6K) LIBERATION

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sudden snow
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2x phoney but no arming?

hot mica
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no

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no need, theres no synergy with long range recon

sudden snow
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So what abt it's synergy with long recon

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Arming helps when u go 2nd

hot mica
hot mica
sudden snow
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Explain the synergy instead of just saying"they used to synergize but now they dont"

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And pin in jap res isnt good enough AOE for aggro decks and clog your hand against control decks

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at least aoe focused decks using all copies of tora or using imperial decree can at least deal damage to face as well as helping clean up the board

hot mica
sudden snow
hot mica
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sorry new version

sudden snow
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so you're saying your deck is outdated

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?

sudden snow
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like

hot mica
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i have no long range recon in my deck bruh

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check again

sudden snow
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wym by recon then

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scouting party?

hot mica
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old long range recon used to heal by counting cards on board and in your hand

sudden snow
hot mica
sudden snow
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no????

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arming is used as a win more card

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as it slows down the enemy even more after using a card like vive

hot mica
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yeah but there are better cards than arming in the deck

sudden snow
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example

hot mica
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audacity

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deal with aggro stuff

sudden snow
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maybe

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but like

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if you want to handle aggro well

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you need more early AOE instead of just pin

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pin is really good against other control but it still is pretty slow and stuff like tora can still hit face and keeps ur hand from capping out

hot mica
sudden snow
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mhm yes

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1 dmg face

hot mica
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yeah but its stays on the board

sudden snow
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it is just

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not enough to handle with aggro

hot mica
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but it is tho

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go play with the deck first

sudden snow
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nah

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ive tried pin res b4

hot mica
sudden snow
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from my experiences it is too slow

sudden snow
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raiding gets 2 cards off the board

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just the general concept of this deck isnt good enough imo

hot mica
sudden snow
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but hey if it works it works

hot mica
sudden snow
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naval is bad against air but then again air was nerfed
isolation is weird
guards is ok
pins like i said is better against control and at times can be slow
heal is ok
suisei is ok
sendai is meh against control
bombing is good

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desperate is alright as well

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u can more value w/ desperate and toras with imperial decree

hot mica
sudden snow
hot mica
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im not too keen with adding more aoe in the deck, it wont be that good against big health units and often times u need a ton of heals to get to the point of winning with your aoe which something that this deck doesnt have anymore

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and your opponent will play around your aoe a lot honestly

sudden snow
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i mean how many cards do you need to kill big units?

sudden snow
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no like

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in the deck in general

hot mica
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surprise attack

hot mica
sudden snow
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omg...

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im talking abt deck composition

hot mica
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more, if you want to combine it naval operation

sudden snow
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not what cards you need to combo to kill big units

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naval op only hits ground units

hot mica
sudden snow
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like

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how many cards you need to run

hot mica
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also if you cant deal with untargetable units, just sendai them

sudden snow
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for big units

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to kill big units in control

hot mica
sudden snow
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and most of the time sendai just gets hit from annihilation or anything that can deal 3 damage to a smokescreen card

hot mica
sudden snow
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yeah that is what im saying

sudden snow
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imo it is too much

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not flexible enough

sudden snow
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hmmmm

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that is very fair

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ill give u that one lol

hot mica
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and suisei is deployment effect, which is amazing enough

sudden snow
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eh

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pin for one turn

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oh wait

hot mica
sudden snow
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i dont think that is how suisei works

hot mica
sudden snow
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doesnt say anything abt pinning 3 times in a row

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only up to 3 units can be pinned

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tezan with suisei can kill "cannot target by orders" units

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but it is 8k and 2 diff units req

hot mica
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oh, im saying 2 suisei, and 1 naval operation takes care of untargetable units

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so 3 max potential

sudden snow
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oh alr alr

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i mean

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jap res will need those 3 turns

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but from what ive experienced jap res is more abt getting the enemy to fatigue instead of getting turns for ur big plane wincons

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and said big planes are really expensive and slow

hot mica
sudden snow
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fair

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but that is one card

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no blitz

hot mica
sudden snow
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unless u give it blitz with the 1k jap general 💀

sudden snow
hot mica
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yes

sudden snow
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but kawanishi makes them way more valuable

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the kamikazes

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3 dmg for 1k

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and a draw

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makes last rites 11k for 8 dmg to 11k for 33k dmg

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but you usually get 10 dmg b4 it dies

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which would be down to just 3 dmg without kawanishi

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(11k due to last rites cost & the cost of kamis)

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obv excluding the cost of the bombers but you can get what i mean

hot mica
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kawanishi is fine, but its not anti aggro

sudden snow
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seiran is tho

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kawa is more for fatigue

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seiran makes all of your tora's desperate measures without the loss of a kredit slot

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or your desperate measures into a carpet bombing that also hits face

hot mica
sudden snow
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how is it more consistent?

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seiran is special and can run 2 copies which is consistent for control

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and toras by themselves are still pretty good

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and can still get value with imperial decree

hot mica
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because you have to wait until turn 6 to play seiran + aoe

sudden snow
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you dont have to use seiran with toras

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you can use imperial decree w/ it

hot mica
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and that usually happens if you want to kill 2 or three health units

sudden snow
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or just by itself

hot mica
sudden snow
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so?

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it still gets really good value

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2 standard cards for 2 damage across the entire enemy board

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and 2k cost

hot mica
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yeah but you ran out of juice after that

sudden snow
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not really

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it doesnt affect your hand that much

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you must be running a really slow deck for that to happen

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or just no draws

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scouting part or the 1/2 recon special card can give draws

hot mica
sudden snow
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i mean that is the reason why aoe is better

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you can still use the aoe cards without having to wait for a card to get on the board

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the pin cards can only be used against units so if the enemy is running a control deck then it will req to have little draw

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but by that point draw might just out compete you with draws

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and imagine if the enemy is running USA/FR unitless

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at least it is something

hot mica
sudden snow
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you arent piloting it correctly

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even if the enemy plays around it they are still playing around it

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and it still stalls the enemy

hot mica
sudden snow
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and with resistance it can make their hand even more clogged

sudden snow
hot mica
sudden snow
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just run 4x tora and desperate 💀

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and maybe naval op

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and stuff like defend in depth, sendai and honorable death for single units

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aoe w/ maybe a little pin/big card removal is way more flexible and applicable comparted to a primarily a pin deck

hot mica
sudden snow
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yes running less of a card makes it more consistent 💀

hot mica
sudden snow
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elaborate

hot mica
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running different cards will be more useful against a wider range of deck archetypes

sudden snow
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that is fair

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but aoe is just generally applicable

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good against aggro and decent against control

hot mica
sudden snow
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or

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seiran into imperial into tora and then desperate measures

hot mica
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like i ran more threats to make the deck looks as scary as possible

sudden snow
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you mean wincons

hot mica
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yeah i guess

sudden snow
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that's fine

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the wincon for any res in general is just

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fatigue

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that is what you should be going for

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if you want a deck more around wincon cards specifically just go play ger/ita ctrl

hot mica
sudden snow
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but

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no arming...

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2x phony is ok but

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sucks ass against aggro

hot mica
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last rites and kikka is enough i think

sudden snow
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12 dmg is fair

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but the synergy with the dmg buffing cards makes fatigue way more easier

hot mica
sudden snow
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fair

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aoe counters frontline way better tho

hot mica
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inb4 we can do it

sudden snow
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any midrange is dead outside of ladder

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just control them b4 they can even use wcdi

hot mica
sudden snow
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then that's just a bad control deck

hot mica
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well this deck can do that

sudden snow
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have you played it against a frontline deck then?

hot mica