deep-dive-discussion

[unkempt saffron]

And drg is doing just fine in terms of player count as of now

[lethal tulip]

Okay my bad I just thought I'd circulate it, it has some cool stuff that I thought people might want to look at and give some food for thought, even if the player count is good now we can always do more to make the game even more great right?

[unkempt saffron]

Sure, but i think this discussion is better continued elsewhere unless if it pertains to deep dives

[burnt sandal]

Why to you keep posting this in every channel ? got misled here, my bad

Anyway, videos go into #drg-gallery
Also you might want to let the creator post it themselves

[azure wraith]

damn this weeks edd looks like trouble

PE+Twins+Rival presence and on stage 3 damn

[astral ore]

I like twins

I think theyre most often the easiest of the dreadnoughts

Not by a large margin but still

[fresh turtle]

twins take damage when i shoot them most of the time and thats good enough for me

having to rely on someone kiting the other two in a way to hit the designated damage area or being the one thats kiting and basically not being able to fight makes me not enjoy them

[vocal saddle]

how is this weeks edd?

[wild cobalt]

So I want ask; whats you recommend secondary weapon with hurricane? Because I use always Bulldog with perk (I dont know how is called, sorry ^^') homebrew.

[dense herald]

Depends of your Hurricane. If you're running an AOE primary you'll want a secondary for single target damage, like Bulldog-Elephant Rounds/ homebrew, a damage oriented BRT or Coilgun-Mole. Otherwise with a single target Hurricane I like to play a Magic Bullets-Bulldog or a Coilgun with Hellfire.

[wild cobalt]

Well I always using jet fuel on hurricane. But I like shooting to Glyphid Praetorian with hurricane and destroying his armor and later end him with bulldog ^^

[latent adder]

To be honest this week is not that hard. I found the normal DD harder because people run around like headless chickens more

[azure wraith]

yeah it went just fine for me

lots of nitra

[latent adder]

True, plenty to spare

[wraith shard]

TÜRK VAR MI LA

[random rampart]

wrong channel to ask. but looking at #fan-communities, there seems to be a turkish only people server, if youre interested

[dawn zealot]

Twins are either easy or hard depending on what the arbalest decides it wants to do

[jolly hazel]

or how good your team can read a hp bar

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
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[quasi pond]

Man, the third stage of the edd is kinda ridiculous: extract, rival, dread. It was pretty crazy

[errant moat]

Going all in with damage BRT isn't a bad way to go

[errant moat]

Some smooth brain shot the egg in the middle of a rival wave during our first run

[tranquil apex]

This happened in my run too 😂 scout shot the egg mid swarm and we almost wiped

Iron will ended up saving us though and we completed it

[jovial carbon]

hello. any suggestions on edd. I am driller. i am running solo. i have a hard time dealing with dreads tho

[hushed sequoia]

what primary are you using?

@jovial carbon

[jovial carbon]

either flame or cryo

i have sludge blast oc which is very good on dreads but i have hard time with swarm with it.

[twin tundra]

Hello

[hoary cove]

just use cooker with boiler ray alongside it

[hushed sequoia]

yeah that's what i run for sludge blast too

and if you're doing solo you can usually afford something a bit more ammo hungry like sludge blast

i take neurotoxin grenades with sludge blast

pretty good grunt clearing and good slow for dreads

[wild cobalt]

Anyway you have some tips for beginner scout? Because I want play all classes and promote them - so I know scout is great to attacking big worms and hiting the weakest points. Also he is great to give accuracy for team, haha xp

[waxen terrace]

keep using your grapple to kite bugs, mine whatever ores your engi has platformed and ask your engi to platform ores that are up in ceiling

[wild cobalt]

So that means the Engi is the best friend of scouts?

[waxen terrace]

for mining usually yes

platforms are a good safety net for everyone

[sick lake]

Cave gen on Dd#2 this week is 🗑

2 attempts, 2 fails. Play with my wife and each time this goddamn cave gets me.

At least i got the blank core i guess. Still mad about it tho

[hollow veldt]

i keep crashing/disconnecting when loading into stage 2

on attempt # 3

[thin wigeon]

can I get a driler to join our deep dive?

\

[random rampart]

this is the wrong chat. the right one is the lfg chat of your platform

[thin wigeon]

sory lol\

[lone agate]

can someone give me a rundown about deep dives?

[burnt sandal]

what do you want to know ?

[lone agate]

like, what exactly are they? just a harder mission?

there isn't really any in-game explanation

[burnt sandal]

I can share you the wiki page if you're interested, or I can explain it quickly

[lone agate]

oh yes that would also work

[burnt sandal]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Deep_Dives?so=search

here we go then, have a good read
One advice though if you start looking around in the wiki : Try to not look at everything, keep the surprise of the discovery. 😄

[lone agate]

thanks 😝

[burnt sandal]

no problem, have a good read 👍

[radiant helm]

why does the last mission on the deepdive basically have swarmageddon why it doesn't list it as a modifier

[oblique echo]

What is a good overlock for "Thunderhead" Heavy Autocannon" damage build?

[burnt sandal]

Depends what you intend to use it for

[oblique echo]

My friend has AOE

We just need damamge

[radiant helm]

i use carpet bomber

[burnt sandal]

Then if you're looking for direct damage, Big Bertha is the way to go

[oblique echo]

Not sure about the insane negatives

[burnt sandal]

If you're looking for more AoE damage, there's carpet bomber, splintering shells or neurotoxin payload

[radiant helm]

then use upgrade to counter the negative

[burnt sandal]

Still worth it, despite the maluses

[oblique echo]

Alright thanks

[radiant helm]

doesnt it do like 34 dmg for direct

[burnt sandal]

with all damage mod, yeah

[sick torrent]

does high intensity heating on the shard diffractor reduce direct damage?

[burnt sandal]

no

[sick torrent]

nice,

is the armor breaking any good?

[burnt sandal]

it's okay but not amazing

[sick torrent]

yeah, i figured

one last question

how should i be placing magma with that one OC

in a line? or should i just squiggle it everywhere

[wild talon]

you only really take armor break on the sd for dreadnoughts as you cant light them on fire anyway

and as for the magma oc

uhhh havent used it yet

[waxen terrace]

squiggle everywhere for trash fodder bugs

straight line for praets if you wanna burn them

tho for praets and high priorities you should be directly beaming them anyways

[nimble pulsar]

Anyone else's Mule continuously move back and forth at the end of the second mission in the EDD rather than actually proceed to the pod?

[potent vector]

maybe drill a straight path to the pod?

[dull nexus]

Ngl the shard diffractor is fun af but man the breach cutter really blows it away with its versatility

[jolly hazel]

au contraire I find shard pulls double duty really well

overdrive will still melt bugs clumped together with or without boosting

and the magma oc does ok single target

breach needs bugs all to be chasing you to get max use imo

[dull nexus]

yea it does but man the windup can be painful sometimes

[jolly hazel]

windup?

the slowdown?

feedback module has the windup and thats nice too

[dull nexus]

like windup meaning you can only target one enemy first before it spreads to the rest, while the breach cutter instantly wipes the whole group out

idk how to use it when the bugs are already biting you

[jolly hazel]

oh I see what u mean, fire and forget

well the goal is to never let them get that close lol

I use it with my ecr lok1 so I am not chewing throw lok ammo

cuz I have to use the lazor for half the swarm

[dull nexus]

yea thats the goal

[dull nexus]

yea, cos man, HAZ5 can really throw insane swarms at you

i joined a haz5 server where it spawned a tyrant weed, a nemesis, mactera swarm all at once

[jolly hazel]

I usually write those ones off lol

[waxen terrace]

EDDs dont spawn korloks

nemesis is just part of the cavegen package

[jolly hazel]

I dont think he said edd

random spawn nemesis aren't seeded though right?

[waxen terrace]

there is no random spawn nemesis outside of rival presences

[dull nexus]

yea i meant in general

wrong chat channel i guess

[dull nexus]

what do you mean by write those ones off?

[jolly hazel]

huh thats a relief, I thought there was a random chance

like dreads

[jolly hazel]

I dont get too mad if we all die to that bullshit lol

normally I only get korloks if I do something memey like all driller or all scout

nemesis should be random chance like dread swarm imo

outside of rival

[dull nexus]

yea but i saw this gunner literally kiting everything and i was so shocked how he was still alive

[waxen terrace]

nah we dont need 3 bulks simultaneously

nemesis was already bullshit enough in rival presence

[jolly hazel]

you are right we need 4 bulks

[jolly hazel]

I mean I dont give up, still try my hardest but I'm not gonna flip out if a greenbeard chokes

[dull nexus]

Aye yea, but I wanna learn how he kites and kills so well

[jolly hazel]

make a mental map of the cave and never stop moving

also combat mobility for ac helps

or the damage reduction mod

keep your head on a swivel too because there are probably bugs flanking you

[dull nexus]

ac?

[jolly hazel]

autocannon

[dull nexus]

Oh

How about engie

What can he use

[jolly hazel]

thats what engie is mediocre at

[dull nexus]

Oh

[jolly hazel]

your 2 best bets are panic grenade (esp lure), and rj250 rocket jump overclock for grenade launcher

other than that, you have to tools to absolutely delete anything chasing you as long as you dont get caught

alternatively with prep time you can make a platform maze/jumper course

[dull nexus]

Oooo

[jolly hazel]

usually putting platforms on ledges just enough that u can jump across

the bugs cant follow

or on a bunch of pillars and you jump around the pillars

but you can get caught if you dont pay attention to what's below you

the above applies to non engie classes too

but engie can bridge gaps that weren't possible before

but can only do it on the fly with a lot of skill

[dull nexus]

Any guide on this?

[jolly hazel]

I mean

just figure out how far you can jump

and if you know you are going to have to fight somewhere

make gaps that you can jump with platforms

[dull nexus]

I see

[jolly hazel]

in regards to the maze, its just laying platforms down and running through them

can funnel the bugs

or divert them

*laying them down on flat ground

[dull nexus]

Ooo I’ll try that

Thanks

[jolly hazel]

even on haz 5 I generally don't need to do more than bridge a few gaps because engie killing power is so good

[dull nexus]

Damn I must be playing engineer wrong I’ve been maining him for over a hundred hours now and I struggle at Haz5

[jolly hazel]

well

just gotta kite

I could give you individual pointers if you are struggling with anything in particular

[dull nexus]

Do you eventually master this skill the more you play?

[jolly hazel]

yes

its the key skill that comes with time

certain fps games teach it as well but only some

[dull nexus]

It’s mainly knowing when to not overkill and waste ammo and knowing when to hold your ground or to start kiting

Those are the 2 I struggle with

[pine epoch]

It's easier to analyse what you're doing wrong in hindsight and improve like that

For me, I usually hold my ground unless I see something coming at me that can stun or slow me and prevent kiting
(Not really relevant if you have a grappling hook, but hey.)
Also, if my shield breaks, I yeet away (or put up a shield immediately, if I'm a gunner)

[jolly hazel]

the only time id ever hold my ground is on stationary events like salvage and black box

there is no reason to be standing still when there are enemies around unless you really need to make some good shots with scout guns

or if you have REALLY good position with gunner up high or something

and even then you are probably going to get ganked by a slasher

also standing still means spitters can and will hit you

spitters can almost never hit you while you are moving

what do you mean by overkill/waste ammo?

[dull nexus]

What about refining?

[jolly hazel]

keep moving

you arent forced to stand still during refining

take advantage of pipes too because you move a bit faster

[dull nexus]

Like how do I know that I can trust my teammate to take care of the praetorian coming

[jolly hazel]

usually i dont

if we have a cryo driller or something ill ping it and hope

but ill try to keep a mental track of where everyone is

and usually if i see a praetorian i am going to kill it

basically

if you are killing something

you are not wasting ammo

[dull nexus]

What do you prioritize first? Like assuming there’s a bunch of patrol bots and a praetorian

[jolly hazel]

if you are doing all the work, you can always ask to take someone else's ammo

especially with engie you have that perogative

because you have the most killing power and the most ammo consumption

[jolly hazel]

i dont have the handy chart with me but its usually spitters/menace>slasher>praetorian>grunt>guard

spitters ruin clutches and slashers make everything else able to catch you

patrol bots are probably at the same level as spitters unless they got themselves trapped in a hole in ball mode

[dull nexus]

Ohh I’ll try this out

[jolly hazel]

and i know i just said dont rely on teammates but patrol bots are most easily dealt with by fire driller and gunner

you can kill em in a pinch though

shellback is priority one if it spawns

they can and will end dives

[dull nexus]

But assuming like there’s a horde coming from the ceiling and the gunner is already shooting at them, then should I reprioritize elsewhere to focus on other targets and trust the gunner to kill that swarm?

[jolly hazel]

hmm

thats up to your judgement

you are actually the best at horde clear

[dull nexus]

What would you do?

[jolly hazel]

I just like to inflate my kills so id try to kill as many of them as possible before gunner can

[dull nexus]

Even on EDD?

[jolly hazel]

aim for largest bug density but watch out for flankerse

[dull nexus]

Oh I see

[jolly hazel]

yeah usually its only one or two flankers

you will usually be able to hear if theres a second group approaching

either the burrowing audio cue or the screeching

or praetorian stomping

if you dont play with audio turned up i highly reccomend it

[dull nexus]

I do but there’s so many targets that I often lose priority lol cos I didn’t know which enemies were the most dangerous

[jolly hazel]

as engie your main priority is swarm clear but you will probably be pulling single target duty as well

basically if its not a grunt, shoot it first

[dull nexus]

Aye alright

What perks synergizes well with engie?

[jolly hazel]

i always take dash

[dull nexus]

Right now I’m using iron will and field medic but idk if I should switch out field medic for thorns

[jolly hazel]

because engie in particular needs a get out of jail free card

[dull nexus]

Oh

[jolly hazel]

and it helps with platform jumps

field medic is very nice

[dull nexus]

So dash is a must

[jolly hazel]

it is better than iron will imo

because it also provides the revive speed passive

plus the free insta revive

[dull nexus]

Oh I see

[jolly hazel]

yes

do not take beastmaster

iron will/field medic is up to you but i would take field medic

[dull nexus]

I almost never end up using field medic tho

[jolly hazel]

the insta revive?

you are benefitting from it whenever you revive someone

when to use the insta revive comes with experience

[dull nexus]

Even the passive because my teammates tend to be near invincible

[dull nexus]

When do you use it?

[jolly hazel]

well thats good lol

then you wouldnt be needing iron will either

[jolly hazel]

when team is faltering and we REALLY need people back into the fight to clear bugs

or when there are spitters/menaces up

or when im being chased

as i go to revive

basically when you cannot spare the time/risk to stand still and revive

[dull nexus]

I see. Is the T3C armor mod worth using in EDD then? The one that gives extra 3 seconds of invul when you are revived

[dull nexus]

It’s good but I feel bad for dying so much and in really bad spots where the gunner is forced to use his shield to revive me so I run iron will to kill as many bugs as possible before going down

[jolly hazel]

yes it is mandatory

that 3 seconds equals a free revive

[jolly hazel]

usually you want to save your iron will for very desperate situations when almost everyone is down and not to clear a wave

if you see red sugar or know where it is, you can always pop iron will and get revive yourself

alternatively have vampire and melee/power attack a bug

and dont necessarily feel bad about gunner using shield to rez

thats basically his job

unless its on something like salvage where the shield is really important for breathing room

[dull nexus]

I see. So only when shit hits the fan. Got it

[jolly hazel]

yes

you are sacrficing a perk slot for that last chance

have to make it count

[dull nexus]

Honestly I’m open to anything, maybe I’ll try dash+field medic first

[jolly hazel]

i mean

[dull nexus]

What about the passive perks?

[jolly hazel]

if you can revive yourself during a swarm, that is extremely helpful as well

[dull nexus]

What passives are mandatory for engie?

[jolly hazel]

as long as you can find the red sugar

mandatory is born ready

auto reloads your long reload secondaries

[dull nexus]

Oh I have that already

[jolly hazel]

i take thorns and resupplier

the extra heal from resupplier helps a lot and being able to grab it faster during a fight helps a lot

thorns is because i fucking hate jellyfish and swarmers

and i am not going to stop fighting because one is biting my ankles

[dull nexus]

Oh ok I’ll try that

I was running born ready, second wind and elemental insulation previously

[jolly hazel]

second wind is the sprint perk right

[dull nexus]

Yea the 12% speed boost

[jolly hazel]

the bonus will almost never kick in during a fight

only real use is running to drop pod but that doesn't matter usually

[dull nexus]

Oh so it’s a wasted perk slot

[queen patrol]

first time in 450 hours ive seen somebody using second wind

[jolly hazel]

basically yes

[queen patrol]

incredible

[dull nexus]

Damn

[jolly hazel]

its kind of a stinker

[dull nexus]

What about environmental insulation?

[jolly hazel]

elemental preservation is basically only acceptable on magma core

and even then the damage is usually negligible

only real use is on shield disruption missions where the dumb lava will add up

I would advise against it

[dull nexus]

Alright then

Is there a “most commonly used” weapon for engie’s primaries in EDD?

[jolly hazel]

I use electro chemical rounds lok-1

magnetic pellet alignment warthog and em refire stubby are also in my selections

[dull nexus]

If you don’t have that OC, what else do you use?

[jolly hazel]

I have also heard good things about mini pellet shotgun

[jolly hazel]

overclocks make or break the lok 1 imo so unless you have executioner i wouldnt use it

[dull nexus]

I only have MPA warthog, Eraser Loki, and lightweight cases stubby

[jolly hazel]

use mpa

or lightweight cases

I dont think stubby dps is that great without em refire

[dull nexus]

Which is “better”? Meaning like which is more commonly used?

[jolly hazel]

that is honestly whichever you prefer

i dont like the shotgun

I like the stubby

[dull nexus]

I like the stubby too but lightweight cases feel so painful to use

[jolly hazel]

isnt that a green oc

build for electro proc and weakpoint damage

[dull nexus]

Nah it’s a balanced. Gives you 180 rounds but 1 less damage and less rof

[jolly hazel]

or plus electro damage

hmm

that kinda stinks

id stick with mag pellet then

[dull nexus]

So just stick with MPA for EDD until I get em refire or ecr loki. Got it

[undone parrot]

Tfw 2 bulks show up during your black box

[jolly hazel]

imo yes

for your best success rate

and usefulness

[dull nexus]

Any commonly used build for MPA warthog EDD?

[undone parrot]

Choke mpa

[jolly hazel]

I genuinely don't remember my mpa build

haven't used it in a while

anything that increases total ammo and weakpoint damage

[undone parrot]

I like turret whip, extra pellets, both mag upgrades, +1 damage

Imo I don’t really need the ammo increase

Prefer loaded shells

[jolly hazel]

ammo increase increases total amount of damage you can possibly do

unless the math says more damage with shells

i can plug it i to karl.gg and check

[dull nexus]

if im new to EDD, is it a better choice to use loaded shells or 132 ammo?

[undone parrot]

I don’t really feel I run out of ammo much when using the warthog even without the extra ammo, so I’m fine as it is

Maybe it’s just me tho

[jolly hazel]

as u can see me and proximity prefer two different things

both work

[dull nexus]

ok

[jolly hazel]

you have to figure out which you like more

[undone parrot]

I usually run clean sweep so I can just clear groups without having to magdump into it

[dull nexus]

just never use armor breaking on the warthog right?

[undone parrot]

And lure

[jolly hazel]

yes

[undone parrot]

Correct

[jolly hazel]

its bugged/shit

[undone parrot]

Both probably

It’s bugged and shit

[dull nexus]

should i keep doing haz4/5 missions while deep dives refreshes to get used to the intensity of EDD?

[jolly hazel]

you already did this week's edd?

yeah i almost exclusively do haz 5 unless i feel like i want to carry some greenbeards through 3/4

[dull nexus]

yea i did, it was an absolutely horrible experience

[dull nexus]

ah ok

[jolly hazel]

well ill be available this week if you want someone to do it with

ok I just checked my build

its 21122

that the full auto upgrade 5 instead of turret whip

[dull nexus]

ooh okay

[jolly hazel]

and I like no recoil whatsoever on shotyun

[dull nexus]

thanks for the offer but we live in different regions so the ping would be an issue sadly

[jolly hazel]

wait how can you tell

[dull nexus]

which secondary do you use with the warthog?

[jolly hazel]

[dull nexus]

from your steam profile, it states you're from USA

[jolly hazel]

wtf i didnt realize I had my profile linked

[dull nexus]

im from asia so the ping would be massive

[jolly hazel]

meh

I play with Russians from time to time

or slavs at least

I can probably tolerate being a client as driller or something

[jolly hazel]

all engineer secondaries are godlike

do u have clean sweep for grenade launcher

[dull nexus]

i only have hyperprop pgl, electrocution/spinning death for BC and overdrive booster/feedback loop for the shard

[humble sparrow]

Overdrive Booster is incredibly potent when you need to melt something fast.

[jolly hazel]

the shard diffraction ocs are good

od is really good at single target^

and it also melts swarms

[dull nexus]

which should i take for the next EDD?

[jolly hazel]

if they are on the same plane as you

how experienced are you with the shard diffractor

[dull nexus]

or wait till the next EDD's mutation comes out first

[dull nexus]

very new

[jolly hazel]

it takes a different approach versus other two fire and forget secondaroes

hmm

id run a few high hazard missions with overdrive/feedback shard diffraction and see how you like it

electrocution is ok for bc

spinning death is very niche

hyperprop is also niche but you can also use the grenade launcher with no overclock and have major success

[humble sparrow]

If you know how to handle the Minigun, the Shard Diffractor won't take much to learn

[dull nexus]

which is the better OC? i am assuming its overdrive since the downsides only kicks in when you press R

[dull nexus]

sadly i dont know how to handle it, gunner is like my 3rd least played class

[jolly hazel]

the upsides and downsides only kick in when you press r

you cant move while boosting so you can easily kill yourself with it

and if u panic switch to get moving you burn ammo

it requires a bit of forethought when to boost

[dull nexus]

which is pretty bad for EDD since you should always be mobile right?

[jolly hazel]

feedback has constant buff/drawback

well there are situations where you are ok being immobile for 3 seconds

[humble sparrow]

Kinda, the massive fire-rate hike means it's a short time.

[jolly hazel]

if something needs to die right now

it will die immediately

if you know the way ahead of you is clear and you have a bunch of bugs behind you

you can probably get away with popping booster and kill them all

because you already slow down while firing

making the difference between barely mobile and immobile not as big of a deal when you basically double your area dps

[dull nexus]

i see, but for this upcoming EDD, do you recommend the safer option feedback loop first?

[jolly hazel]

yes but I highly reccomend experimenting with od booster as well and getting used to the shard diffraction in general

[dull nexus]

any builds which i can copy for both OCs?

what builds do you use for od booster and feedback loop?

[sly vapor]

overdrive kills easily prets and opprs but at the end it still wastes ammo because you have to wait, i just use the oc for more ammo because from like 5 prets/opprs kill i go to 7

[jolly hazel]

I'll check but its ammo+charge size+aoe+kill extends beam charge

[jolly hazel]

how does it waste ammo?

oh I see what u mean

I usually boost in target rich environments lol

[wild cobalt]

Anyway I want ask about the scout weapon - m1000 classic. Because I don't which builds pick but I prefer more damage and easy kill the biggest worms ^^

[unkempt saffron]

what ocs do you have

[humble sparrow]

I usually save Overdrive for situations like Dreadnoughts that can eat most/all of the beam

[dull nexus]

ah i see, do you use T4 heat mod on the shard instead of armor breaking?

[undone parrot]

Zip lines tho

[jolly hazel]

yes heat mod is god

[jolly hazel]

true but gunner is being a fat fuck on it

[dull nexus]

aye thanks ill try your build

[gilded tide]

What does the pickaxe icon next to the name mean?

[prisma lake]

it means that you bought the supporter pack dlc

[bleak dagger]

EDD cleared

someone accidentally popped dread too early on last stage but Iron will clutch saved the day

[queen patrol]

there is no "too early" for dreads on point extractions

[humble sparrow]

It honestly keeps getting worse the longer you take since it uses PE enemy spawning

[split marlin]

drop into cavern

shoot dread egg while still on the ramp

[wraith shard]

Made it to round 3 of EDD twice now. It's an Aquarq extraction and brutal endless waves.

[severe finch]

^

Our scout was the last one alive, and tried their best

But a mactera was just picking em up 3 times in a row

They had to ditch one of us mid revive and I watched as the bugs swarming their body increased by ten fold

[bleak dagger]

truee but like with the amount of Hp we had n stuff

we needed a breather

[queen patrol]

[dawn zealot]

This is my emotional support pog plant

[jolly hazel]

I always power attack pog plants

[queen patrol]

start running

[knotty frost]

Thoughts on some of the better (non-OC) set-ups for solo EDD?

[oak jay]

I have a lot of success with Cryo + Subata + Axes. Vampire is a must.

[knotty frost]

Purely relying on Subata for dreads?

[analog thistle]

cryo + axe cancelling works great for dreads

though for driller i prefer to go sludge pump

[knotty frost]

Yeah I thought of sludge blast maybe just to delete Dreads but my swarm clear seemed a bit too spicy. Though I'm still relatively fresh as a player.

[knotty frost]

What do you mean by axe cancelling?

[valid ginkgo]

Probably animation cancel after throwing axe to throw the next axe in quick succession.

[analog thistle]

sludge's charged shot works well against swarms

[oak jay]

Subata for birds, weak spots. But yes, after the Sludge was released, it's up there.

[analog thistle]

cryo subata setup is a bit shaky this week because stage 3 is rival presence

[waxen terrace]

if youre using cryo id just tell you to use epc over subata, part of subata's strong suit is the +80% bonus dmg which gets disabled on anything frozen

and epc having higher base dmg

[analog thistle]

crspr isnt that great too because dreads

[waxen terrace]

yea subata is ideally paired with crispr or if you use explosive reload with the other primaries, and dreads resist crispr hard

[knotty frost]

Fair fair, I've only played around with the shotgun OC for elims myself.

[severe finch]

Alright, figured out the last map

Was scout this time. Our team started fighting the dread twins first thing, BUT I kept on digging for Aquarqs during the fight. Only time I stopped digging is to revive someone who got downed.

By the time the twins were dead, we were 6/10 for Aquarqs

[tranquil apex]

that's a neat strategy. I've never done that.

We usually all do the aquargs then hit the dread

[waxen terrace]

PE is the one time where you do the secondaries first

[plush plover]

that last edd area

is actually awful

[hoary cove]

not a good idea since that means there will be alot more bugs during the fight

[plush plover]

that last one though was pretty rough

in terms of like stuff to do, the start is bad, and you get hit with a big swarm

[mint frigate]

you just gotta deal with the rival presence stuff first

we did the dread last after we did the other objective

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[wild cobalt]

Sooo I have simple question - how turn on the option of having one of the classes

[waxen terrace]

go to options, search for "prevent late join class duplication"

[wild cobalt]

Oh, thanks 😊

[dull nexus]

oh boy cant wait

[river pawn]

i got a fucking bulk on EDD stage 2

holy shit

[prime egret]

Oh yeah, happened to my team too

That was interesting

[waxen terrace]

bulks during black box is the ultimate fuckyou

[echo storm]

going clutch with gunner shield and cryo driller for bulks always feels good

[hoary cove]

cryo driller helps with bulks how

[jolly hazel]

freezing it

I think there's a range where it freezes outside aoe range but no epic cold radiance

[echo storm]

when you kill a frozen bulk there is no explosion

just a blast that pushes u back a little

so if everyone knows what they are doing u can delete a bulk real quick

for bulks during escort i like to plop the gunner shield to redirect the bulk then driller can go for the freeze

if everyone is in sync then it's not too bad

although i have made the mistake of doing this on a crassus

lol

[short raft]

That's gotta suck lmao

[jolly hazel]

you're pushing your luck that close especially if its not a good driller

[lunar radish]

Heya! Is there a better class than others for deep dives solo?

[minor bloom]

Scout or gunner

If you are going for speed that is

[hoary cove]

but that’s the best part

[unkempt saffron]

depends on the deep dive usually

[forest temple]

I avoid scout for deep dives with escort and salvage. I don't really have any hard and fast rules for myself beyond that.

[copper delta]

why don't i get blank core matrix everytime i do it

of is it just 1 per week

[unkempt saffron]

once you complete a stage youll get the matrix core reward once, after that theres no more until it resets to new dives

[copper delta]

so twice per week

one for DD and one for EDD?

[blazing current]

Yes

3 times if you include the weekly assignment

[echo storm]

9 cores a week not including seasonal events if pretty good

also doesn't including mastery rewards

[wispy sparrow]

Spent 8 minutes looking for the last 2 veins of aquark on the the edd and died to the continuous swarms.
Whoever placed those veins I hope you stub your toe

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
_ _

[jolly hazel]

can ai stub their toe

[wispy sparrow]

I hope so

[manic rampart]

When you tried your first deep dive solo this morning, the final mission takes an hour because of the horror, and you go down mere feet from the open drop pod right as you're about to leave. Life is pain

[lusty shuttle]

At what time is the info thing on this week's deep dive usually updated?

[burnt sandal]

around 1-2pm CET

[sweet tinsel]

can't wait till we get the new deep dive

[dull nexus]

No pls

No refinery

Deep dive is ok

But elite deep dive hell nah man

Morbite

[lusty shuttle]

I hope the elite deep dive has a haunted cave refinery.

[dull nexus]

Stop

No

The ultimate nightmare

[lusty shuttle]

Wasn't that actually a thing in this week's normal Deep Dive?

[dull nexus]

Last week I think

I forgor

Or was it this week

Ah this week

[junior fossil]

More eggs please

[tranquil apex]

ye it was this week

i've seen it before too

new dives soon 😮

[hollow citrus]

salt pits this week pls

[bleak dagger]

im hoping for an easy edd

[hushed sequoia]

hoping for the triple escort shield disruption hollow bough

with dreads

[copper knoll]

deep dive here yet?

[burnt sandal]

no

[copper knoll]

how much does it have left?

[burnt sandal]

deep dives reset around 1pm CET

so 2 hours from now on

[copper knoll]

ah alright

ty

[dawn zealot]

Wait its Thursday?

[copper delta]

Veteran Diver
Complete Any 5 Deep Dives
to do this achievement do i need to be the host??

[burnt sandal]

yes

[dawn zealot]

Deep dive prediction: all objective is bet c

[stoic thunder]

First time doing Deep Dive solo to boot too, Boi barely made it at all... That Horror/Liquid Morkite combo is not fun at all

[dawn zealot]

Trouble making pipelines? Horror Mines for you

[stoic thunder]

Yeah issues with making pipelines

At least it was a victory proud of myself

The Dreadnought/Rival was hectic too

I got the twins and a Nemesis spawned in the middle of the fight, so had to fight all 3 at once

1 hour and 58 mins, I don't think that's bad for solo and first time~

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
_ _

[dawn zealot]

deep dive more like uhh, deez dive haha got em haha i am funny and original

[sly kettle]

Soon™

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives are now available!
_ _

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone!

[marble veldt]

It's Muffin time!

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Hollow Bough | Code Name: First Gods
Stage 1: 200 Morkite + 📡 1 Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | No Mutators
Stage 3: 4 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Critical Weakness Lethal Enemies

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Fungus Bogs | Code Name: Gunner's Enclosure
Stage 1: 10 Aquarq + 📡 1 Black Box | Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 225 Morkite + Dreadnought Classic | Parasites
Stage 3: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Swarmageddon

[mint frigate]

damn EDD trying to 1 up the last couple weeks

[dull nexus]

Oh god not that map

[sick ginkgo]

Noooooooooooo

Enramada espinosa no por favor (hollow bougth please no)

[dull nexus]

You jinxed it

[stone chasm]

DD stage 2: 7 aquarqs and 2 eggs, no mutators

[junior fossil]

dread in EDD2 is defualt dread

[ebon anchor]

Love me some classic dread

[midnight ivy]

4 eggs + 2 mini mules critical weakness + lethal

for dd stage 3

[hollow citrus]

fungus bogs and shield disrution are a bad combo

damn fart shrooms everywhere

[blazing current]

Good thing it's in first stage

[junior fossil]

there arent that many toxic plants on the first stage too

so it isnt as bad as one would think

[opal latch]

The regular DD is so fast

Took me and 3 randoms 23 minutes

[summer forge]

“Attention bugs, there is huge swarm incoming!”

[pine plover]

EDD didn’t give me a blank wtf?

[burnt sandal]

probably a bug

[vocal saddle]

this weeks edd went all gunners

[subtle acorn]

wait what, is this weeks EDD the same as the last week's?

[summer forge]

How good is morkite on last edd stage? Should I go solo driller or it’s fine for other classes

[burnt sandal]

you might wanna restart your game

[summer forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/vdhcq2/weekly_deep_dives_thread_16th_june_2022/

This is last weeks

[junior fossil]

you can do the refine with other classes on the EDD because of the low grav

just make sure to bring something for all the swarmers...

[summer forge]

I’d go scout most likely, it’s just the problem with making pipes without driller or engineer

Aggressive venting it is

[subtle acorn]

very curious. It was the host that wasn't synced but guess playing on a host like that rolls your seed back as well. Strangely enough it seemed to give me rewards for the second time. Guess they fixed the stages going haywire when you're out of sync

[junior fossil]

so this normal deep dive is oddly short done in under 30 min without trying to speed it :/

[jolly hazel]

low gravity refining = easy modo

[hollow estuary]

Deep dives and elite deep dives are a weekly thing correct?

[knotty frost]

Yes.

They reset weekly (new map and ability to get rewards again)

[hollow estuary]

Ok so no rewards after that. And they reset Thursday?

[dawn zealot]

Yeah

[knotty frost]

Rewards once per stage (3 stages) once per week.

[hollow estuary]

Thanks fam

[thick jetty]

aw hell naw not shield disrupt on the edd

[potent vector]

wow, regular DD is so easy

[dreamy terrace]

deep dive elit thirs stage get disconected yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[potent vector]

only 1 down and that's due to fall damage

sub 30 mins run

no bulk, no nemesis, only 1 oppressor

[bleak dagger]

edd looks real easy

[karmic folio]

Just did an elite deep dive where I got no rewards. I'm relatively new to the game, can anyone explain?

[jolly hazel]

did you do it twice?

[gloomy dome]

how's this week's deep dive?

[knotty frost]

Normal DD is super easy, super quick. Didn't do EDD myself yet.

[blazing current]

EDD is pretty easy. Stage 2 is probably the easiest since you can fight dreadnought directly in the start room

Stage 3 can be problematic, but I got a very competent team

[radiant fern]

Did this DD then went to do the edd and it was showing me last week edd, I closed app and opened it again and now I can do DD again to get cores again

[potent vector]

EDD was pretty lively. although I think the host modded his game to have more spawns? there's literally 50 bugs waiting for us out of drop pod in stage 1

and the swarmageddon in stage 3 spawns like 20 swarmers every 5 seconds

[thorn flower]

anyone else have really weird spawns in the DD stage 2? i feel like it spawned large numbers of one bug, and then large numbers of another

I had three wardens and no other special stuff in my first wave, next wave was a bunch of goo bombers, and now its just like 7 web spitters

[glossy walrus]

that's how the spawn system works yeah, lower haz you can only get 1 disruptive enemy type, then 2 at mid and 3 at high (I forget the exact haz numbers)

there's also chances of getting all of one type wave, though somewhat low

[jolly hazel]

oops, all detonators!

[river pawn]

this week's DD is really really easy

[blazing current]

There's a mod for that if interested

[violet warren]

Why does the game never give me the option to rejoin the deep dive on losing connection

[tranquil apex]

carried this engi through a normal 3 man deep dive (gunner left) and they said "this is rough" 😭

poor guy still learning, hopefully they enjoyed the dive atleast

[solar holly]

what is deep div

[fresh turtle]

You cant late join deep dives at all so it probably prevents a reconnect as well

[tranquil apex]

would it be better to do the black box first in this weeks EDD?

or does it not matter?

[echo storm]

so long as you are under 15 minutes

[wary dirge]

In Point extraction the time between waves gets shorter every Wave, so its propably best to do it first. AS longer you stay, the quicker the waves will Spawn.

[blazing current]

It's in stage 1 so not really a problem. We did the black box after we get all of the aquarqs

It also happens that the blackbox is in the end of a large room, so we dont need to care about bugs flanking us

[frank canyon]

yall the nitra was insane this time on the normal

I got around 900 this time

[violet warren]

It's stage 1 but it's also shield disruption which means it's automatically the hardest stage of the dive

My team did the box after the aquarqs, I think the idea being that after we get the aquarqs the scout can start the timer and we can keep using the defensible position we set up for the box

[maiden river]

you can definitely reconnect to a dive, you just need to do that manually through steam

[violet warren]

How should I do that in the future?

Also, stage 3 of the EDD was an absolute mess, at least partially because the scout called in a double-swarm and I just ran around spamming sludge and having no idea what I was doing and it worked out

[maiden river]

the reconnecting through steam? find their profile

[hybrid violet]

That's actually incorrect. Waves just become bigger over time making you think you have less time between them.

We got randomly thrown out from DD stage3 loading screen into the medbay. First time this EVER happened to me XD Very weird bug

[burnt sandal]

No, they are correct

[hybrid violet]

Wait really? Was this changed? I'm positive I watched a dev stream once and this was said by a gsg staff member

[burnt sandal]

it wasn't changed
I remember it being tested and timed. It's possible the spawn size change as well but I can assure you the timer does decrease.

Now it also depends on what waves they were talking about, given Point Extraction has 2 kind of swarms.

[hybrid violet]

From drg wiki:
''Throughout the mission, waves will be spawned in at intervals. These waves continually increase in size, potentially reaching a point where the previous wave had not been dealt with before the next one spawns. This effect is multiplied on higher Hazard Levels."

[hybrid violet]

I think they were talking about ambients while explicit swarms staying the same. But this may be incorrect

[burnt sandal]

hold on, trying to find you that old thread where someone timed it

[hybrid violet]

Thanks a lot

[burnt sandal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/ehqnfy/no_swarm_frequency_doesnt_increase_with_time_on/

found it

EDIT: I've done some more extensive testing, and tracked the spawns in a 30 minute hazard 2 point extract. No, the swarms do not come in faster (and seem to be the same size - it's hard to say on haz2). But the ambient waves of enemies between swarms* increases in size.
so my bad, you were actually right. My apologies

[hybrid violet]

Cool, thanks! Good to know that I remember both facts (about intervals staying the same and ambient waves' growth) correctly 🙂

[burnt sandal]

yeah and I need my memory checked out

[hoary cove]

Does anything even affect the time between swarms besides haz

[jolly hazel]

wow i was wrong too lmao

i thought swarm size+frequency both increased

[burnt sandal]

just the hazard

and the mission type, obviously

[jolly hazel]

dont forget luck

[cobalt cliff]

IN THE DROP POP OF STAGE 3 https://i.imgur.com/gnLprZk.png

😭

edd moment

[frail sorrel]

that is a MAJOR oof

that bites too cause stage 1 is the gatekeeper, so many bugs with no shield

[tall meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565850434376302613/989686357561577472/20220623171835_1.jpg?width=1155&height=650

Smooth EDD this week also

[tranquil apex]

wait, so it doesn't really matter then?

as it just increases the normal mobs?

[dull nexus]

omg volatile impact reactor is strong af

[burnt sandal]

it does matter, it's still pretty significant

[tranquil apex]

gotcha

[dull nexus]

@jolly hazel thanks for the advice dash really is awesome in EDD

[jolly hazel]

it really is

[dull nexus]

I gotta say tho, I had more success with the loki than the warthog the swarms for this EDD was too crazy

[jolly hazel]

its probably the only "required" perk except on scout

well

think of it as warthog is for blapping bugs one at a time

especially with mag pellet alignment

as in you are kiting backwards and shooting bugs in the face one at a time for a one shot

if there are more than a few bugs or they might catch you, whip out the lazor

lok 1 with blowthrough rounds is probably technically better at big groups

versus mag pellet warthog

but warthog has a lot more sustain throughout a mission

imo

[dull nexus]

Yea the laser is insane, I got a new OC yesterday too, volatile impact reactor

[jolly hazel]

vim is the best for wave clear/cc so yeah

id definetly stick with that

use it kind of like sticky flames

[dull nexus]

I definitely need to work in kiting tho, I died like 10+ times in 2 EDD stages today

[jolly hazel]

as in you can be very ammo efficient just laying magma down

[unkempt saffron]

Vim is best for anything if you set your mind to it

[jolly hazel]

true but overdrive boosting big stuff is hilarious

and feedback isn't too bad either

[dull nexus]

I really wish it one shot bodyshot grunts

[jolly hazel]

thats why you have a weakspot damage bonus!

[dull nexus]

I was panicking so much during the swarms that I didn’t aim properly

[jolly hazel]

aim for the face

ah well

that comes with time

be cool like a cucumber

and take the swarm one at a time with mag pellet warthog

[jolly hazel]

comes with time, should eventually feel like you have eyes on the back of your head

from both being able to hear what's behind you while looking back and having a mental map so you dont get stuck

[dull nexus]

Yea

Are you allowed to take an extra resup if you are totally 0 on everything?

[jolly hazel]

ask

first

[unkempt saffron]

Depends, you can always ask first

[jolly hazel]

generally yes

do not assume though

if anything press tab and check other players ammo counts

and ask someone who's relatively full

[dull nexus]

If they don’t respond?

[jolly hazel]

you are not entitled to their resup though

well

that would be unfortunate

[dull nexus]

💀 I guess it means no

[unkempt saffron]

Shoot them, but seriously just take one resup and deal with it

[jolly hazel]

if you are hypercarrying the answer is always yes

but also if you are bone dry and they arent, they will probably have to deal

because engie dps is too important

[unkempt saffron]

If no one takes it and everyone leaves its a free for all for that resup

[jolly hazel]

especially versus scout lmao

[dull nexus]

Yea I was kiting the swarms on 0 ammo just now

No grenades too

No turret bullets

[jolly hazel]

yeah then take it and then explain after

[dull nexus]

Aye alright

Shield disruption was so insane this week

[jolly hazel]

at least its stage 1

haz 4.5 bugs shouldn't catch up to you

[glossy schooner]

On EDD?

[dull nexus]

Yea EDD

[unkempt saffron]

Yes

Check pins

[glossy schooner]

Okay, I haven't done the deep dives this week

[jolly hazel]

do them

NOW

[glossy schooner]

Okay shit fine

[jolly hazel]

management approves

[glossy schooner]

Cyberbullyed into playing DRG

[dull nexus]

Yea thank goodness for that

Shield disruption is prob the worst

[glossy schooner]

That's why we use Healthy

[dull nexus]

Healthy?

[glossy schooner]

Upgrades health on your armor

[dull nexus]

Ah

[glossy schooner]

The other option is for shield

[dull nexus]

Dash is now my fav active perk

[glossy schooner]

Scout's wet dream tbh

Dash fully upgraded is such a godsend

[dull nexus]

Yeah

Better than iron will

For me at least

[glossy schooner]

I have a friend who uses iron will on every build but he plays gunner so..

[dull nexus]

Does gunner need iron will?

Or still dash too?

Man if only they gave us 3 active perk slots

[glossy schooner]

I would have it, but you know, idk

[dull nexus]

I used to run iron will and field medic in my previous EDD

and it really didn’t work out well

Then again I also had second wind as my passive too

[glossy schooner]

"Look man I'm gonna need you to stay alive before I go down in the next 7 seconds okay?"

I use second wind on almost everything tbh

[dull nexus]

I don’t think it works for EDD

but what do I know this week’s my 3rd EDD

[glossy schooner]

I don't think I've ever completed an EDD

[dull nexus]

Oh

[glossy schooner]

I've started them but my friends haven't played this game for long and just recently got their first promotions

[dull nexus]

I see

For me I played with randoms LOL

[supple quarry]

In a sense, no class needs any perk, it's up to your tastes, dash may be the exception because it's so gamechanging, that usually people plays it on every class (exception with scout)

[glossy schooner]

I used to play with randoms but there would also be this one guy that quits as soon as we start the first mission, made DDs a pain

[dull nexus]

Yea, I wish I knew about this perk sooner or how good it was

[dull nexus]

That is unfortunate

[glossy schooner]

Is what it is

[dull nexus]

I also learnt today that stacking 2 engies is a no go

2 engies, 1 driller 1 scout

Worst decision ever

[supple quarry]

I encourage you to try things out and not entirely listen to people. Sure it's always good to hear other's perspective, but what matters in the end is what works for you
Like iron will ? Go Iron will. I don't see lot of people liking shield link, I play it because I like it and it works for me, as simple as that

[glossy schooner]

Might work out, depends who's playing the characters tho

[dull nexus]

I like iron will but I hate how it only gives you one usage instead of having like a long cool down

[glossy schooner]

Shield link and field medic for the ultimate support character

[dull nexus]

Plus I don’t know how to kite well and dash saved me a lot for this week’s EDD

[supple quarry]

without a specific number of use, you could run 4 iron will and rotate, and pretty much never loose a mission
That being said the usage reset between stages of DDs and EDDs

[limpid pond]

Iron Will is kinda just too good to not have by design. Literally nothing else lets you just get back up after a full team wipe, and if everyone has it, it's effectively four extra tries after everyone goes down. Compared to the zero if no one brings it, you're giving up far too much power in exchange for what's most likely going to be a convenience at best by using other active perks over it. If you don't need it, the mission wasn't that hard anyway. If you need it, it does a completely irreplaceable job. Even if you argue "Just play perfect 4Head", Iron Will gives you the means to deliberately play much riskier and just auto-revive 12 seconds of invincibility your way out.

[dull nexus]

Yea but I don’t have the “game sense” yet to know when to use iron will

[limpid pond]

This is how it used to be and it was reworked because it pretty much made missions unlosable

[dull nexus]

Oh damn

[supple quarry]

It will get better, game sense is a thing that will come naturally if you pay attention to it
If you really don't want to make a mistake in your perk loadout, I'd say it's safe to go with Iron will + dash on everyone, except scout I'd go Field medic + Iron will
Reserve a passive slot for vampire (For Iron will synergy)

[dull nexus]

For me right now I’m using field medic+dash btw what do you mean by “pay attention to it”? Like watch how others play?

[limpid pond]

Vampire isn't 100% necessary for IW tbh. I used to run Vampire on every loadout, but I swapped it out for Sweet Tooth and haven't looked back. But it is pretty good for effectively guaranteeing you stay up.

[supple quarry]

Being pro active in your games, I'm not a coach so I may have a hard time putting the right words on it, but try to look what works in general for others and yourself
Try to think what went wrong and what went right, and why, and learn from that

[dull nexus]

Well I just need to learn how to kite and I need better OCs for my primaries

[supple quarry]

Sure I mean I don't play vampire neither Iron will so things will be fine whatever what people choose ^^

[dull nexus]

That’s my 2 problems now

[glossy schooner]

Field medic+dash is pretty good, I actually use it on one of my engineer builds

Not for DDs tho

[limpid pond]

It's hard to go wrong with some assortment of Dash, Iron Will, and Field Medic

[supple quarry]

It's a good thing to keep the list of improvement short like you do, don't try to solve 20 issues at a time. That being said, I don't think OCs are a problem, H5 existed before OCs did and the game right now isn't really balanced for them

[limpid pond]

I think Overclocks are a huge design issue even just by the simple aspect of massively empowering your weapons, particularly disproportionately on Scout, but it's not something you as an individual player can really solve or fight against 😔

[stoic thunder]

Kinda want to try the Elite one but kind of nervous as I've never done something at Haz 5

[supple quarry]

They are for sure, but without them I doubt I'd playing the game as much as I am, it would turn out boring way faster imo
We already got the the solution for the balancing issue : mods, the support for them is really good, put a H6 x2 ennemies and you're good to go I guess

[limpid pond]

The thing is, it's not just that some are too strong, it's that I feel like their existence is used to justify shoddy base weapons (Minigun, all non-Drak Scout weapons, LOK-1, ArmSkore, etc.) because they let people point and go "Oh, just get Explosive Chemical Rounds, just get Hellfire" as if a timegated gacha system is a reliable form of upgrading your gear. Of course they're cool and fun, but they're used as a balancing crutch, and they're a huge pain in the ass to obtain.

[limpid pond]

This one's fairly easy as I've been told. If you're consistently winning Haz 4, an EDD shouldn't be too insane. Haz 5 just punishes sloppy habits more than anything. Grunts destroy your shield in two hits, everything's faster, and timed swarms are bigger and more frequent. Just have to dodge well and play fast, and you'll be fine.

Another Haz 5 tip people don't bring up often: Bring CC. Sticky Flame Slowdown, Electrocute, IFGs, Stun, anything at all to slow groups and pin down priority targets.

[supple quarry]

They are a pain to obtain yeah, on the balancing thing I won't really take a side on it, I'm still playing some gun vanilla because I'm lazy to try some OCs I got for them and it's working fine
Base minigun is fine to me, base M1K is fine to me ... I know a bunch of people are going like "Oh M1K? Yeah put hipster and you're good to go", it is an actual thing going on, but I just don't agree with those opinions so it's not an issue that appears to me i'd say

[dull nexus]

The base stubby and warthog are really not ideal for EDD

[limpid pond]

Honestly? The no OC Engi primaries blow ass on the feel side. Warthog and Stubby are statistically fine, but they don't feel nearly as good as they do with MPA, or Cycle Overload, or Turret EM Discharge, etc.

[supple quarry]

Stubby maybe, I got EM refiner soon and pretty much didn't try the gun vanilla so maybe, Warthog I played it for a long time without OC and it was fine

[dull nexus]

Yea but damn this game really doesn’t wanna give me good primary weapons oc

“Luck issue”💀

[limpid pond]

When I first started, the only Warthog OC I got was Mini Shells, and I fucking hated it. Didn't get Hyper Propellant for a fair bit, and Diffractor wasn't a thing yet, so playing Engineer vs Dreadnaughts was a sanity test.

[dull nexus]

Damn

I perform best with the loki but damn it game give me ECR OC please

[supple quarry]

I thing I was playing for a long time on engi with the clean oc on PGL that give a bit more aoe, and the clean oc on the shotgun that give more ammo, Felt fine to me
I don't know it's maybe just me, I didn't at any time felt like base gun had extreme balance issue. Do I see some now with experience ? Yeah like GK2 needs a bit of love, but I'd not say that any is extreme to my taste

[dull nexus]

Loki needs some love

A gun really shouldn’t need to rely on only 2 OCs to perform best

[limpid pond]

Yeah, that's the thing. Argue about how X and Y is balanced all you want, the 6 random Weapon OCs a week also timegates fun. Personally, Engi felt really unfun until I got Hyper Propellant, and Scout felt really unfun until I got Cryo Minelets. 2/4 of the classes in this game felt as fun as a wet fart to me until a roulette wheel decided otherwise, and I don't think that's great design.

If Overclock obtainment was far more consistent and accessible, I think you could even excuse things like X weapon being bad without Y OC since you could more reliably make it viable. It wouldn't be any different from Cryo Cannon not kicking off until you unlocked Cold Radiance.

[burnt sandal]

That's interesting, because it doesn't

[glossy schooner]

It's my new favorite gun, I love it, why wouldn't anyone like it?

[stoic thunder]

Yep, I've been winning Haz 4 so far not solo though. I mean I've been able to keep my bearings so far so wondering how bad it'd get. Though I kinda perfer the Cryo over the IFGs dunno just more fun seeing the enemies just freeze xD

[dull nexus]

I love it too

[dull nexus]

It does or idk I only have the eraser OC on loki right now

[limpid pond]

I mean, Freeze is crowd control too. All of Scout's grenades are CC, I just like IFGs the most and it's the best one for literally controlling crowds.

[burnt sandal]

Those 2 OCs are great, but they aren't the only way to play lok-1 and the weapon still does great even without OCs

[stoic thunder]

Does the IFG work on Oppressors actually? Cause that's the main menace usually

[dull nexus]

Do you have a build for eraser?

[burnt sandal]

People shoehorn themselves into meta without trying stuff out for themselves

[burnt sandal]

I do, hold on

[dull nexus]

Aye I’ll try yours

[limpid pond]

I tried LOK-1 for myself and I can confirm it sucks hot ass without ECR or Executioner tbh

[burnt sandal]

2X111 is what I use with eraser

[limpid pond]

Not only does it have way less ammo than the other two primaries at base, it's also fundamentally a bad gun. Executioner still has to fight against the lock-on system, and ECR just avoids it entirely.

[burnt sandal]

I've been constantly using it without those 2 OCs and the gun's been doing great

[dull nexus]

Alright I’ll try

Is the +6 dmg really not as good as more ammo?

[burnt sandal]

it's good too, especially if you can hit weakpoint consistantly but with eraser I prefer the ammo since I'm gonna try to lock on more bugs at the time

[dull nexus]

I see so for the X, do you recommend zoom lens then?

[burnt sandal]

I put an X because it entirely comes down to preference and how much control you want to have over your lock

[dull nexus]

What’s your preference?

Zoom lens?

[limpid pond]

This post came out shortly after Season 01, and it still nails the issue with LOK-1 perfectly. Shame it didn't get any buffs in Season 02 https://old.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/qyae2x/massive_post_warning_after_a_good_20something/

[burnt sandal]

With eraser, I prefer to go with T2c, as I'm looking to put the electrocution DoT on as many enemies as possible

[dull nexus]

Ah I see

I’ll try

Loki is really fun for me, I can focus on kiting instead of shooting lol

[dire terrace]

Swamers in EDD stage 3 gave me depression

hard to do things because THEY ARE EVERYWHERE

(I played duo Engi and Scout with my friend both don't have much AoE power)

[limpid pond]

What'd ya bring?

[dire terrace]

Me: Fatboy + Minishells
Scout: Hoverclock + Embedded Deto

[limpid pond]

Yeah, no wonder

[dire terrace]

Lure and Freeze grenade

[limpid pond]

You've both got precision weapons and Fat Boy is overkill for Swarmers

[dire terrace]

we now both have depression

[dire terrace]

I know that

[azure ivy]

Someone with stick fuel/stun slowdown is pretty mandatory for this EDD, 2/3 stages have swarm fiesta

[dire terrace]

I thought engi with fatboy and lure would take care of those but boy were I wrong

I regretted my decision

[azure ivy]

No, too many lmao

I just prop a firewall and have my mates sit behind me, really wasnt that bad

had over 1k kill at the end, i wheezed proper

[dire terrace]

I wanted to go driller but my friend scout

[dire terrace]

I had 2100 kills

[limpid pond]

Drak (any OC) is Scout's best anti-Swarmer tech, Engi will have a host of different options depending on OC like Volatile Impact Mixture or ECR, but I'd say for base weapons, a more spammy PGL (RJ250-ish) or Plasma Trail Breach Cutter are your best bet for dealing with Swarmageddon.

[limpid pond]

What's wrong with Driller + Scout? That's the best 2P comp for most missions IMO, including this EDD since all the objectives have timed swarms

[azure ivy]

lmao

jessus

[dire terrace]

he doesn't use to no-plat plan yet

also we met another dread in stage 2

depression

[azure ivy]

What i learned playing this game is that everyone swears by one or two "best OCs" but i found out that if you get people that are the best with the loudout that suits their playstyle is when shit really kicks off, EED or haz 5

[limpid pond]

Rocky Mountain? Using Hoverclock to dodge fall damage?

[dire terrace]

no beer because pot o gol

#deep-dive-speedrunning message

conclusion: never bring engie with my mate scout when there is swarm in stage 3 EDD

[azure ivy]

2 Dreads`? yikes, at least nitra was easy to find

[dire terrace]

lucky that dread spawned at near the end of the mining so we just ignore it and go on

[azure ivy]

we a detonator spawn on the first stage literally right in front of us at the blackbox

[limpid pond]

What's the point in Hoverclock if you're not gonna use its best use case? Just grapple towards a vein, power attack the wall or try to mine out a ledge, and if you miss and fall, just hover right before you hit the ground, or stall in the air for your grapple charge and you'll be fine

[dire terrace]

tell him, not me (I don't even got that OC yet)

[azure ivy]

Like it literally popped into existance in front of us

[limpid pond]

Well, relay that to them

[azure ivy]

nah only happened once, was fucking hilarious way to wipe

what can they do? jusst cave rng

[dull nexus]

VIM is so awesome

[limpid pond]

I FUCKING LOVE VIM
I WANT STICKY FUEL ON ENGINEER

[dull nexus]

Not only is it sticky fuel

It melts praetorians good

[rain monolith]

w

[unkempt saffron]

Edd was quite easy, though swarmy on stage 3 did pose quite the challenge for a bit

[echo storm]

this edd was about par for me

[paper oasis]

i had 950 nitra at one point in the edd

[potent vector]

it's different from sticky fuel

because sticky fuel "disables" creatures' innate environmental heat shedding while VIM doesn't

[jolly hazel]

I mean

its nearly functionally identical

but thats interesting

[wraith shard]

just got a connection error in the middle of the final stage of the elite deep dive, AMA

it was going so well too

[jovial turret]

God damn EDD 1 is filter

[hoary cove]

sticky fuel is a lot better at lighting things like nemesis on fire, since it completely cancels their cooling effect

[limpid pond]

They're just basically the same for Grunt clear with some differences like range, lifetime, Diffractor being much stronger for direct damage, etc. I just mean the ability to effectively build a No Grunt Zone with the assistance of Repellant Additive

[jolly hazel]

by sticky fuel do u mean if the nemesis is hovering above the sticky flames

I didnt know if vim magma heated up nemesis like that

never tried it

[jolly hazel]

also engie has a very good alternative while driller has epc/subata/cancer gun

[flint orchid]

Almost finished the second stage of EDD, was under the drop pod and died to swarm

[brisk pagoda]

ground fire disables the enemy's cooling stat, magma does not. so magma is notably worse against nemesis

[jolly hazel]

yeah thats what I was gathering

only when nemesis is over fire though

[brisk pagoda]

the magma does still heat him when hes above it, but it wont do much on its own without a teammate to help since his cooling will be active

[jolly hazel]

well at least I can apply heat from across the map with lazor versus danger close driller

[brisk pagoda]

yeah the range is a big bonus

[prisma thistle]

best engineer perks?

[brisk pagoda]

resupplier, born ready, and then like thorns or veteran depositor or sweet tooth

[prisma thistle]

ty

[lusty shuttle]

I just had a team of two great gunners and we were on the final part of the Elite Deep Dive and my game crashed. I was hosting.

[wraith shard]

i got a connection error on the final part, i feel your pain

[wraith shard]

anyone else getting connection errors? just tried the elite deep dive for a second time and got another connection error

[brisk pagoda]

probably steam being trash like usual

[hoary cove]

you don’t even need to be that close to kill nemmy with flamethrower tho

just lay lines of heat and he’ll never cool down

[brisk pagoda]

yeah but depending on the terrain and your flamethrower build your range can be anything from 7m to 20m, which makes it a lot riskier to get grabbed especially with facemelter

[hoary cove]

i dont really use facemelter

anything that increases rof isnt that good for cryo or flamer imo

[brisk pagoda]

yeah i agree, but facemelter was a fairly common choice for sabotage when it came out

[hoary cove]

its probably the worst oc for killing bots to me

id rather have more ammo and less flow rate so i get more ticks of heat radiance

[brisk pagoda]

if youre willing to close the distance it does have a faster kill time due to the rate of fire and i think maybe the damage increase also increasing heat but not sure if i remember that part right

[hoary cove]

you dont even need to invest in sticky fuel to kill nemmy easily with flamer, just 10 m range so you can keep a comfy distance

[hoary cove]

damage increase does not mean heat increase

[brisk pagoda]

personally i used fuel diffuser for the max range to peel snipers off the ceiling

[limpid pond]

Really? My experience has been the exact opposite: Fuel Stream Diffuser had miserable TTK while Face Melter annihilates them.

[brisk pagoda]

when using fuel diffuser you focus on heat and range, and heat radiance. radiance helps a lot against patrolbots, and the range lets you easily shatter snipers since snipers have a super low ignition temperature

[limpid pond]

Snipers I just Explosive Reload, being able to quickly dumpster any given Patrol Bot with a single Face Melter mag is much more important than "ammo efficiency" while it's rolling around, barely ticking up heat, blasting you.

[wooden cliff]

ayo uhhhhhhhh

strat for the first part?

shield disruption is tough, at the end

like, when its time to wait for the drop pod

[jolly hazel]

nemesis pathfinding feels to random for me

also yeah facemelter against nemesis

sounds very fun

[brisk pagoda]

you could consider scout pheremone or engy lure if point extract + box is giving you issues. you also want to try to finish point extract as fast as possible since that gamemode will infinitely increase the enemy count the longer you take

[neon wing]

whats the difference between an elite deep dive and a normal one

[brisk pagoda]

regular is hazard 3ish elite is hazard 5ish

[neon wing]

oh ok

thanks

[brisk pagoda]

the weekly loot applies to both, so you would do both each week if you want to get overclocks faster

[jolly hazel]

https://files.catbox.moe/vmv89l.png

theres a lot of small stuff

1 bulk on stage 1

2 bulk on stage 3

[wraith shard]

we had like 6 detonators

[hoary cove]

he travels in a straight line towards you lol

and if he switches targets, that just means the shield won’t be blocking u anymore

[fresh turtle]

Two weeks ago during deep dive with the stage 2 escort and eggs on fungus bogs I had 2 bulk detonators spawn at once at the first stop and a 3rd during the first healthbar of the heartstone

My teammates kept killing them next to doretta

Probably my worst detonator experience

[jolly hazel]

ya but I dont understand what causes it to switch targets besides proximity

and I see what u mean now in regards to sticky flame usage

if I want to take advantage of it when its chasing someone else its usually requires some finangling

[ebon anchor]

damn level 18 doing EDD already

some people really learn the game so fast

Maybe they come from other fps backgrounds so they are already so skilled

[opal minnow]

Anyone else get a random dreadnaught in stage 2 of EDD this week?

Killed the classic dreadnaught and the next swarm was a random twins encounter

[burnt sandal]

oof

[opal minnow]

It really be like that sometimes

[ebon anchor]

Twins really love edd recently huh

Can't stand a week without them so they decided to pop up in your game uninvited

Lmao

[fresh turtle]

hot take, twins is my favorite of the 3 to fight

classic dread is nice but kinda boring/easy and hiveguard is just so annoying