Macteras are the bane of my existence
#deep-dive-discussion
digital basin
visual lake
Macteras are okay ... mass trawlers are where it gets dicey
Had 3 trawlers spawn one EDD and grab most of the team
thorny geyser
5 second stun is days in this game
you can stun praetorian, shoot down two mactera, reload and mag dump in praetorian's arse in that time
ashen moat
@ashen moat nope not even close proxy fatboy #1
@visual lake Ignoring overclocks, which the player who asked certainly doesn't have yet.
bleak gull
first ever deepdive here we go
bleak gull
wow that was a complete failure
sonic anchor
how do you consistently beat the second stage of current deep dive elite
ive had many many attempts, and only 2 were successful
thorny nymph
sonic anchor
nice
knotty rampart
it's practice
i recommend playing haz 5 to train
difficulty on edd goes haz 4.5, 5, 5.5
odd comet
Practice, and find a good team.
If there's one part you particularly struggle with, alter your loadout to deal with that specifically
For mactera plague, I would recommend breach cutter with triple line on engi or cryo cannon built for high freeze rate on driller
Both gunner and scout should be able to deal with mactera with any of their loadouts
sonic anchor
yeah im an engi player
idk honestly, the breach cutter doesnt seem good aside from these situations
pgl outclasses it in almost every field it feels like
steady narwhal
Idk man, I've never killed a bulk detonator in 5 seconds with the PGL
wraith shard
Guys! Deep Dive needs to warn player about other players can't join mid game or be replaced mid game because I doubt most player will click the "i" in the menu
gritty dagger
how easy/difficult are DD/EDD this week?
feral atlas
Do you play Haz5 missions and expect to win?
gritty dagger
usually. not by myself. haz 4 yes.
feral atlas
point is, when you play haz5, do you expect to win
as in, your default expectation is that with your skill set, you're walking out with the w
if it's yes, this EDD is just slightly harder than normal
if no, you'll need somebody better than you to help you through it
deft kite
i feel usually the deep dives are a bit on the easier side though
despite going all the way to 5.5
i think they are made to be a bit more manageable
fringe kettle
I believe Jacob mentioned a few weeks ago that the difficulty can't be reliably measured as 4.5-5-5.5 due to how the missions are structured.
deft kite
i agree
vertical mission can be considerably harder
if you don't have a decent driller or your team doesn't know how to work around it
worldly valve
SOOOOOOO do we actually do deep dives?
tough jungle
i beat the deepdive twice. I logged in today and saw that i cant do elite dives. said i never played a deepdive before despite that fact i played the elite one by myself last night (and lost). Has this happened to anyone else?
frigid marsh
So i would like to do a deep dive for the first time. what boxes should i tic before considering myself ready to attempt it? additionally, what's the best way to get a group for one? (i've promoted, and done haz 4 a few times)
deft kite
@frigid marsh deep dives are accessible
elite deep dives i reccomend at least playing haz 5 somewhat regularly or listen to the person who does haz 5 regularly
frigid marsh
so just joining one from the terminal wont end in certain death'?
signal fog
if you do a regular one, not really
the regular deep dives are not that hard
Regular deep dives are 3, 3.5, 3.5 hazard
elites are 4.5, 5, 5.5 hazard
@frigid marsh
frigid marsh
thanks.
gritty dagger
id if you want you can join me
wraith shard
i beat the deepdive twice. I logged in today and saw that i cant do elite dives. said i never played a deepdive before despite that fact i played the elite one by myself last night (and lost). Has this happened to anyone else?
@tough jungle i haven't had this specific thing happen but i have had steam weirdly roll back my progress on other games before
spent a few hours on RoR2 to unlock better characters to play with my friends, and the next time we queued in i was back to only the default character
tough jungle
Iv been stuck with commando but only in multiplayer. My single player stats always save. I figured it was because i was modding
wraith shard
i only ever play multi (was just queued with one person helping me, instead of several doing some insane difficulty as usual), so it was definitely some kind of wig out on steam/ror2's behalf
tough jungle
Maybe some fluke with the 1.0 release? Either way steam should be a lot better at keepingn our data together...
brisk ledge
whats stabilization damage bonus?
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burnt sandal
whats stabilization damage bonus?
@brisk ledge Mod from which weapon ?
flint zephyr
@brisk ledge If you're a gunner, your minigun and autocannon take time to wind up to full speed. That's stabilization. You can get extra damage at that point if you use that mod.
silver stirrup
I thought stabilization was the time it took for the reticle to shrink, no?
vague elbow
On the minigun it's the reverse-spread, on the autocannon it's max fire rate
quaint quarry
Officaly done with any Deep Dive on Magma core.
There is a Challange and then there is Eating glass is less painful.
frank ore
embrace the fire
plucky dust
i suck at this game so much... cant get remotely close to finishing even the basic deep dive i keep getting wrecked at the black box
its just swarmed dead bosco reved mauled dead rev dead repeat
frank ore
i suck at this game so much... cant get remotely close to finishing even the basic deep dive i keep getting wrecked at the black box
@plucky dust what class ya playin
frank ore
i like engie for solo cuz its so versatile
but gunner should be pretty strong for black box
plucky dust
i just get completely swarmed being forced in the tiny green bubble
then either run out of ammo or get mauled
would be nice to have overclocks but i need overclocs for that lol
frank ore
one thing that u can do is terrain modify
make sure the box is flat and u got good vision of enemys
line of sight
so u can go boom boom before they even come close\
plucky dust
so guessing i should use the cannon not mini gun?
plucky dust
guess deep dives just arnt for me, whats the difficulty set for deepdives anyway
frank ore
its like 3-4 haz ish
plucky dust
i can kinda sorta handle hazard 3 with like a 35% success rate
odd comet
I mean, leadstorm is pretty good at clearing swarms with 'blowthrough rounds' and 'cold as the grave'
I would suggest finding a team to play with
plucky dust
yah teams drop me since i literally drop dead
frank ore
damn that sucks
plucky dust
o well guess i can just hope for something from the weekly since i can make those haz 2 and win
ill just stay in my difficulty lane where i belong
frank ore
š© nah man
ull get better
maybe find some one to carry u at first so u can practice at high diff
ive played w team that dies 20+times in a dd and it wasnt that bad
plucky dust
i kinda hoped after 5 months i could do more then haz 2 lol
think i started in april
anyway gonna try the deep dive again, gnna try the blowthrough and cold as grave idea
frank ore
im not too fond of blowthro stuff, but a lot of ppl like em
graceful mica
someone gift this game to me on steam please
frank ore
no
graceful mica
worth a try
frank ore
lol nvm
frank ore
xd
plucky dust
anywho ill do my weekly in 12 hours
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simple remnant
no issue with magma core , but no shield magma core is rough. 2/3 last 3 weeks like this i believe
limber sluice
it is a nasty combo. this weeks wasnt too bad after the first mission tho
burnt sandal
guess deep dives just arnt for me, whats the difficulty set for deepdives anyway
@plucky dust Regular deep dives are haz 3/3.5/3.5
Elite deep dives are 4.5/5/5.5
plucky dust
Thanks that explains why I can't do it remotely well
tropic flame
You can do it, buddy! Take it slow and communicate with your team.
cursive pollen
People who queue with an open mic, why
whole fiber
This weeks EDD is killer though
Freakin' mactera spawns
First level didn't -nearly- hurt as much
flint zephyr
@plucky dust If you're having difficulty with deep dives and breaking into haz 4 as a gunner, it would be good to play a bunch more haz 3 until you got it down, and play as a driller or engineer. Footwork is key to survival, and you don't tend to practice your movement as a gunner very often so you can't learn effectively.
Also, ziplines around the blackbox help gunner out a lot if they're decently high off the ground, especially if you're swarmed by little guys. Just make sure you take care of spitters and mactera.
robust sedge
New dives soon?
burnt sandal
every thursday
wraith shard
The new Dives should start in 5,5 hours.
burnt sandal
At 2PM european standard time or something like that
mortal thorn
I wonder, where can we expect the new mission types to be added into the pool of deep dives' missions?
Prolly 1-2 months since some players still cant beat even regular EDDs with old mission types
hollow wasp
Why would they delay adding the new mission types to the DD/EDD?
mortal thorn
People need to get used to them, also bugs (no puns here)
Ok, I was wrong
I just checked the DD speedruns' discussion and some guys already saw them in the DD/EDDs
hollow wasp
I would expect that once the update is ready, the new types are added to the pool as well. I mean, just thinking about it, I can see this Discord exploding with questions like "skating in EDD when?"
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vital peak
quiet mortar
Bit late on this...
LIVE BUILD DIVES ARE -
DEEP DIVE
Region: Sand Blasted Corridors | Code Name: Massive Track
Stage 1: 
7 Aquarqs + 
1 Dreadnought | 
Shield Disruption
Stage 2: 
225 Morkite + 
2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 7 Aquarqs + 
2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Bare Downfall
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + 150 Morkite | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 250 Morkite + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Mactera Plague
Stage 3: 4 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Shield Disruption
tranquil urchin
wouldnt be EDD without Shield Disruption and Mactera Plague
heavy oriole
Yikes, I hate shield disruption on radioactive
ā ļø
(But yah, whatās been up with shield disruption and mactera. Itās been like that for Atleast 3 weeks)
heavy oriole
Iām all for harder missions, but this has been a bit...Repetitive
in fact, the hardest ones to me are the most memorable. And the last 7 EDDs have been leaning on the moderately easy side.
There was one a while ago that was a ghost bulk on extraction with dreads for the final stage. THAT one was fun, lots of losing was done that week
Then again, I think to spice things up, my friend and I should start inviting randoms to get a full 4 person party.
We usually do them 2 man
mortal thorn
Guys who completed EDDs with all possible team compositions, what is the most difficult out of them all? Like, I usually just solo them, or if my friends have time to play, we full team 'em, both solo and 4man are easy, what about duos or 3-man teams? Are they worth doing?
of course, the more players the better, but what about scaling of difficulty? I remember someone on reddit saying that you dont have a full team, you'd better just solo something, than play in a team of 2-3 players
heavy oriole
2 man teams and 4 man are extremely different
2 man teams, thereās a high risk of accidentally immediately losing (99% of my games are 2 man)
4 man teams, thereās a huge chance that youāll need to get 10+ revives to keep your team going
Iāve found 4 man to be consistently harder in terms of average difficulty. But 2 man is way harder during that one very hard wave, since you canāt go down without losing the mission.
Solo is the easiest, Bosco can revive you 4x per stage giving you a potentially free 12 revives. Given you can get a free iron will revive on each stage, this can be 15 downs total.
Generally on two man teams, I get 0-2 downs, and 1-2 revives.
Four man teams I get 3-4 downs, 10-15 revives.
I donāt usually play solo so I canāt comment, but the times I had, I believe I get 0-2 downs.
@mortal thorn
When you lose with a four man team, usually it feels like the team went down because shit was hard.
When you lose on a two man team, usually itās from a silly mistake or slip up.
mortal thorn
Yeah, I know that feeling. I also get 0-2 downs when solo, and it ALWAYS happens when something very unexpected happens (detonator during the black box part, or I get caught by a leech and bosco decides to watch some youtube videos instead of saving me), but when we get wiped as a full team, we are like "wtf dude, that was some crazy shit". I think that your own perception is important here too, because when you are solo, you know that you dont have anybody to help you if shit hits the fan, so you plan how much nitra you need, what objectives to do first and so on (I also take some breaks before stages, to relax my eyes and do some physical exercises, no idea why, but it helps lol), so you go down only when you dont expect something, but when you play in a full team, you are kinda relaxed, because... there are four dwarfs here.... what can go wrong? and when it happens, when all start align, you are shocked and you think that you were the one who got into bad situation like that, but in reality it was just a chain of unfortunate events (RNG+lazy play of your teammates and you) that every player can meet during his missions, nothing special.
Also, thanks for the info on 2man missions, I have a friend that I have some good synergy with, so we'll definitely try to do it later @heavy oriole
heavy oriole
One thing I think 2 man teaches pretty well, is how to play well/patiently when youāre about to lose the mission
Thereās a natural urge to rush to your teammate and try saving them; but 90% of my missions losses are from timing that incorrectly, or making a dumb mistake when I walk over to them
Handling a dread during a wave when your teammate down is definitely a good example of this
full arrow
oooh i like this week's dives i think i might use driller to do DD/EDD this week for a change
feral atlas
@mortal thorn This is 100% dependent on teammate quality.
If you're a Haz5 vet, solo is always the most consistent team size, because Bosco doesn't do anything unpredictable.
3 and 4 man teams usually play the same assuming the same quality of players
with 4 tending to be easier
Duo is the most bipolar experience
2 good players on duo is honestly pretty easy; you have solo level spawns but twice the firepower
but if the other player isn't good, it's gonna be clutch or lose half the time
karmic valve
Driller's pretty good for EDD solo this week, good luck if you get grabbed on stage 2 though.
Bosco didn't help me at alllll with that shit :/
visual lake
Anyone know if the DD /EDD this week is any different for the experimental build and if the new mission types are seeded in there ?
Wondering about how bad a haz 5.5 magma core macta plague egg + escort would be
elder shoal
^If they clean up the logic for placing turrets on Loretta, 4 engi strat
worthy crag
how's edd look this week?
fringe kettle
- Turrets on doretta is something the dev team doesn't want to have happen.
- Topics surrounding the experimental branch should be confined to #experimental-discussions to minimize spoilers for people who want to wait for the update to be released on the live branch.
naive creek
cursive coral
Is there an ACTIVE community of people who only play HAZ 5 and deep dives?
worthy crag
who only play that? probably not...
cursive coral
Im mostly looking for a discord server or something with people who know a ton about the game and play on a regular basis
i used to play DD when they came out but playing with random people who just got them unlocked killed my mood to play this game all together
lusty flare
I pretty much only play haz4/5 and deep dives but mostly with randoms and sometimes a couple people I know
Not sure if there is a server of people
dim trellis
idk whats the strategy, like most ppl i talk to say to knock the EDD first but then the counter to that is, finding a chad group doing a deep dive, like everyones doing their part and stuff, and then the off chance they did not do the EDD, you can knock that one out too
but yeah i did both š even after that s*storm i posted in gallery
plain charm
@cursive coral I feel you. I wish there were filter options or some sort of level restrictions.
Its very frustrating when you join EDD lobbies and its nothing but bronze level players over and over.
Frankly its unfair for everyone involved, because the overclocks you get are random.
Theres a lot of junk OCs you gotta grind through to get proper ones.
feral atlas
simple strategy to EDD queueing: be good enough to play Haz5, start a Haz5 lobby on Thursday, or peak hours Fri-Sun,
once you've had a game or two, queue for EDD
or find a regular group
whole fiber
I just completed my first EDD tonight
Got carried by a bunch of PL 100+ but, it was hella fun.
vocal bolt
I'm going to be masochistic and try to solo the EDD with scout
dim trellis
not knowing every mule leg that is dug up spawns bugs
is painful to realize too late
but finally did both
whole fiber
Better to dig 'em all up at once, take care of the mini-wave then bap.
near swift
anyone know if the current basic DD contains an elim?
grave scarab
How does this work? Trying to do my first deep dive
burnt sandal
How does this work? Trying to do my first deep dive
@grave scarab Gotta be more precise : How what work ? ^^
grave scarab
...deep dive missions
burnt sandal
Well, you're going to need at least a promoted character, since only promoted dwarves can get into deep dives
Then you'll have to start the deep dive from the deep dive terminal, which is the one in front of the big window, next to the forge
Deep dives are a serie of 3 missions which have a shared seed between all players (meaning everyone will play the same levels, with only a few enemy variations)
Those missions are bit different of the standard ones as they are composed from 2 primary objectives (meaning you can't skip one to leave early), you carry your nitra/ammo/health over from one mission to another and they have a different set of difficulty. They also have higher chances of being affected by a mutator (like Cave leech infestation or low O2, but also positive ones)
Talking about the difficulty, the regular Deep Dives are hazard 3/3.5/3.5 and elite deep dives are 4.5/5/5.5
Each level reward you with a core. A blank one for the 1st level, a weapon overclock for the second and a cosmetic overclock for the third.
And I think that's pretty much it.
Oh and there are no minerals in the deep dives. Only gold and nitra. Also, each deep dive only reward you once. Meaning you can't farm it to get overclocks very fast.
grave scarab
Thanks
burnt sandal
No problem
The deep dives reset every weeks so if you wanna go through the overclocks fast, you gotta think about doing them every week ^^
Deep dives are around 45min of playtime, if you're wondering.
Every Thursday at 2PM european standard time
Same time for the weekly assignment
twin stag
I did a deep dive yesterday for the first time, then when I wanted to do an Elite one today I joined a normal one by mistake
But I still got rewards from it, when do deep dive rewards reset?
And what rewards do Elite ones give?
burnt sandal
Same reward as the regular ones (you'll just get different OCs) as to when it resets, just check 3 messages before yours
twin stag
Oh just noticed yeah sorry
Define different OCs, are the loot tables the same?
If so then why should I run Elite
burnt sandal
Well, you can't farm the deep dives. Once you get the reward once, the level count as completed and you won't get any reward from it.
burnt sandal
So if you do both, you'll get 6 OC totals (2 blank, 2 weapon's OC, 2 cosmetics)
twin stag
And I noticed that the rewards I got are visible in the terminal
So I can see that I did 1/3 on one
burnt sandal
Yep
grave scarab
why cant i join these deep dives? pic in gallery
burnt sandal
You can't join a deep dive who's already started
frank ore
greyed out means in progress
full arrow
not knowing every mule leg that is dug up spawns bugs
@dim trellis just 1 out of each 4,
- approaching the mini MULE itself spawns a larger wave
limber sluice
Just going near it or repairing it?
rose thunder
I need to know how drillers use the plasma charger to dig holes
urban sorrel
Sorry for the newbie question, do you get items directly from the deep dives, or does it allow you to craft with the forge? On that same note is there a point to doing the deep dive before I promote a character?
fringe kettle
you can only do a deep dive with a promoted character. You get matrix cores (blank or infused (cosmetic or overclocks)) after completing each stage of a deep dive once per dive per week. You forge those cores in the forge by spending credits and crafting resources.
spiral seal
dense spear
@rose thunder so you charge up a full size shot, then shoot it with a regular shot to detonate it
there's mod settings that make it easier, and an OC that makes it better, but that's about it
flint zephyr
The last six EDDs have had either mactera plague or shield disruption, and most had both. This is getting kinda old honestly.
limber sluice
Low gravity haunted caves for all 3 missions when
near swift
what's the current EDD look like?
burnt sandal
The last six EDDs have had either mactera plague or shield disruption, and most had both. This is getting kinda old honestly.
@flint zephyr It's all random though so we're just out of luck
deft kite
yeah they should bring old combination
like lethal macteras
heuheuheuheuheuehueheuheuhe
dim trellis
is it really ārandomā though
when we complain about mactera and magma core
at least I have in the past
idle tinsel
short charm
EDDs always seem to have red modifiers and none that help the team out. I approve, they SHOULD be challenging.
I like seeing the tougher ones these days, but... I also have 980 hours in the game, so there's that.
vocal bolt
I've got 100 and I find myself craving challenging content already
ancient beacon
you don't need to keep playing the same game forever
if it poses no challenge to you at 100 hours, then perhaps it's time to move on?
that said, I would totally be down for a haz4-haz5 style difficulty with longer maps or more challenging spawns
if they added haz6 that just drives all the numbers up, I don't think it would play it
heavy oriole
I support Haz 6
The game is so good, that itās fun to play for a long time. If itās fun to play for a long time, itās fun to have options in terms of challenge.
Doesnāt matter if option A is more or less fair than option B, I just want the options.
Someone before mentioned customizable Challenge Sliders for games. This idea I think is the best.
Thereās no leader boards, thereās no anti cheat. So why would it matter if some people want to challenge themselves?
10$ DLC for customizable difficulty sliders for hosting games, Iād totally buy it
I understand there are mods btw, but honestly I like the game devs a lot more, and I like peer to peer game compatibility
Could even say āCustom Gameā for Haz, and only grant 1/2 exp/gold rewards for mission completion or something
heavy oriole
I think after player level 50 or so, credits arenāt much of a thing anymore unless youāre trying to forge every over clock for every class
whole fiber
Or get every cosmetic
heavy oriole
I mean, you can GET every cosmetic without forging it
whole fiber
i'm just talking about the store xD
heavy oriole
I mean, unlocking things doesnāt cost gold unless youāre talking about the forge
The shop isnāt very expensive either if thatās what you mean
heavy oriole
Thatās not expensive at player level 50
odd comet
The shop is pretty expensive, especially when you're trying to keep up with promotions at the same time >.>
tall matrix
I'm at player level 150 ish and I dont have all the shop items yet
And I've been aiming to get them all
heavy oriole
Well that confuses me
odd comet
I'm player level 350ish
tall matrix
You underestimate the cost
odd comet
When every promotion costs over 100k, and I make about 130k over the course of leveling a dwarf, and I have OCs to buy too
heavy oriole
Iāll be honest, Iāve only bought like 1/3rd of the shop items, but I wasnāt aware people were itching for more credits to buy them all
tall matrix
Its something to do
odd comet
^
tall matrix
That's why I do it
heavy oriole
Iāve been promoting all dwarves minus scout and never once ran into credits issues. Iāve also got 2/3 classes almost every OC
Forged that is
odd comet
I mean, I'm down to just scout cosmetic OCs
I'm very close to being done with them, until the next update adds more, at least >.>
heavy oriole
So you guys are worried that a custom difficulty mode, will make people farming for gold too easy?
I honestly didnāt expect people to be so concerned about the credits part haha
odd comet
No, I'm just saying, credits are expensive :p
I can understand someone wanting to use a custom gold-farming mode
Though I wouldn't do so myself
tall matrix
^
heavy oriole
Also, @tall matrix I thought you started playing like 2 months ago. Thatās some hardcore farming youāve been doing to hit 150 already.
tall matrix
I'm at 300 hours played in 2 ish months
odd comet
Quarantine hit this dude hard :p
tall matrix
I just didnt have other games I cared about. I'm currently playing drg less then before.
heavy oriole
Iām at 300, playing for maybe 4 months, but have played exclusively Haz 5 once I unlocked it (which was maybe 15 hours in)
tall matrix
This has been off topic of the channel for awhile
heavy oriole
Youāre right
Mb
In any case, maybe then reduce the gold/exp of a custom game to zero
If farming is the worry
Iāve never once worried about farming tbh, but maybe Iām an outlier
tall matrix
Farming isn't a worry imo. I think a slider system would undermine the design of all the rotating buffs and modifiers that exist tho.
And would contradict the decision to tie gold and xp multiplier to haz levels.
Which leaves few options left to customize. And at that point it's not a meaningful addition.
It would make more sense if it was more like a party game then a co-op challenge
wary fog
just failed a deep dive with my friend because on the last stage a trawler carried me under the minehead and I got stuck there, unable to escapae at all -_-
strong notch
strange perch
no
flint zephyr
There are a few ways to counter mactera plague so it's a lot less painful. On haz 5 and EDD runs, massive clusters of mactera spawning in not-very-open areas tend to take care of themselves with a well-aimed aoe like grenades or C4. Drilling an emergency bunker or tunnel to funnel the mactera one way or another also helps a lot. If all else fails, gunner with duration upgrades on the shield can be an emergency backup, but you really don't want to be caught in that sort of situation if you know you're playing mactera plague.
The only times when mactera plague can become inexcusably punishing is in aquarq missions where the cave is really wide open, but at that point you could always try to hug the walls when moving to aquarq patches, and you shouldn't be spending too much time digging for them anyway.
This week's EDD with the matera plague was fairly easy because most of the cave in stage 2 was a series of tight tunnels. The mactera funnelled themselves.
short charm
After all this time, I dont really fear that particular modifier, in fact its one of my favorites. It doesnt matter if a hundred mactera target you, as long as you walk perpendicular to the swarm they will all miss their shots. And if you play as a Scout with Cryo grenades, then its open season. Bring it on!
And if you dont use cryo grenades, then there's Bullets of Mercy + stun on the GK2, precision terror on the M1000, triple line breach cutter, PGL wiht proximity trigger + fire, cryo cannon + snowball etc.
flint zephyr
Cryo cannon kinda sucks at taking out mactera in my experience, but I never found the snowball overclock so I can't judge. It just takes way too long to freeze the mactera and ends up being a massive drain on ammo. Will try that out if/when I find snowball. Flamethrower has been a very trustworthy weapon as a driller in taking out mactera as long as I get just one range modification.
warped citrus
yea
flint zephyr
Running in a straight line is usually not an option for me, especially when there's a swarm. With all the ground glyphids running around, there's no way you're dodging mactera at the same time, and they still spawn in fairly plentiful quantities.
warped citrus
Mactera as driller is a problem
flint zephyr
You can still adequately deal with mactera as a driller, but you can't take them on directly like all the other classes usually do.
warped citrus
specially goo bombers and grabbers take farrr too long to freeze so you basically either need to spam the subata or EPC lol
@flint zephyr yea
flint zephyr
I never use the Subata without the flamethrower, so I play either flamethrower + handgun or cryo + plasma. The extra damage to burning targets on the handgun sorta makes the weapon really great at melting away big targets with full-auto overclock, and can deal with mactera on its own even if you decide not to take the 20% mactera damage mod.
If you do build driller to be good against mactera, then you're going to be mostly useless against dreadnoughts unfortunately. Can't burn the guy and the handgun is still pretty weak against it in a four player party. At least the cryo can freeze it for a little bit for everyone to do the extra damage for a second.
Decisions, decisions...
worthy crag
I think personally I'd rather be weaker against the dreadnought than the macteras
Odds that you're left alone fighting a dreadnought are lower than odds you're alone fighting macteras
flint zephyr
This is true. Driller is an aoe class to begin with so it takes priority.
Revised opinion on EDDs with two elimination missions. Either stay aoe and be eye-candy during the dread fight or try to spread yourself a little thin.
warped citrus
Heavy hitter fire epc + cryo built for straight freezing (not damage) is really good
also I swear damage cryo atm is kinda like "but why"
flint zephyr
I build my cryo to be straight freezing and it still takes a lot of ammo to freeze the dread unless a scout helps me out with a cryo grenade. It's not really worth trying to freeze him multiple times in my experience because it otherwise leaves you open to swarms when you run out of ammo before you could call/collect a drop.
worthy crag
not to mention that the window in which they're frozen is tiny
odd comet
Direct damage flamer is actually pretty good against mactera
They're weak to fire, so it practically melts them, especially with the +range mod
visual lake
dunno alot of other things AOE clear macta better than flame
BC / snowball / cryo
for flame they are still zipping about
empty topaz
flame is still damage over time though, at 1/3 health they just cook.
near delta
Engy and scout are the best classes to deal with macterra period. BC and PGL are both pretty good at one tapping swarms and scout has cryos period. Anything that can't 1 shot at haz 5 isn't really worth considering for macterra plague because the whole point is to kill them before they can shoot. If they fire you're already dead.
the only recourse driller has is to dig ino the ground or a wall and make a grease trap out of the tunnel to force them to peek over
In my experience neither flame or cryo really kill them fast enough to stop a swarm from murdering you out in the open.
Bonus tip: Snowball is laughably bad, not only does it disable your primary for a not insignificant time but the ammo per shot is just absurd. The snowball projectile is so massive when it spawns you'll shoot yourself most of the time because of any bug, dwarf or map geometry immediately to your right, infront of or behind where your driller is holding the weapon will catch the projectile and blow it up in your face.
Like dead ass, never try to use this feature unless you're standing on completely flat ground. And even then teammates, any grunt sized bug at your feet will still often cause you to chill youself and waste 50 ammo.
flint zephyr
Are there any good overclocks for the cryo gun? I have ice spear which I found to be somewhat unhelpful, and the one clean overclock I have for it ups the stats by a tiny bit smidge. I was hoping there is some overclock that exists that makes it more interesting or useful. The one closest to that which I have is one that makes depressurization much faster when not firing but also lowers max output before needing a cooldown, but it just feels like more high maintenance usage when mods are fine enough to give it that effect I need.
Like I love me my driller class and the cryo gun is so nice, but I'd love a good overclock on it at some point. I have only three unlocked and I'm not particularly hopeful that the rest will be any good, either.
near delta
@flint zephyr The clean freezing one? TLDR:Yeah thats the best one imo. Like others have said, I never bother building cryo for damage if I wanted dps i'd just use the flame thrower. The cryo is specifically best at immobilizing targets that are either so dangerous or annoying you don't want them to have achance to do anything. i.e. pratorians that die while forzen don't gas or leave radiation, exploders can't detonate(especially good on radioactive ones) spitballers can't spit, slashers can't stun you etcetera.
I'd like to say there's more than just freezing for the cryo but yeah that's about it.
flint zephyr
Unfortunate but I understand. Thanks.
clever shadow
anyone down for a deep dive?
tacit cargo
anyone want to do a deep elite now? we need 2 people
sleek solar
Anyone know if hosting deep dives counts towards the It's My Party achievement?
hollow summit
dang, that mactera plague really stymied my group
I was driller so I just did HeadMaths and drilled us back to the pod and we still got overwhelmed
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flint osprey
LFG EDD
quiet lodge
dear god does the EDD have mactera plague?
flint zephyr
This week? Yes. @quiet lodge
quiet lodge
gross
odd comet
Okay, but
Has there been a week in recent history where the EDD DIDN'T have mactera plague?
flint zephyr
This is in fact the fourth week in a row that has mactera plague.
heavy oriole
Yah Iām not complaining about it being hard, but it is old
pallid shoal
Is there anyone looking to do the EDD on xbox/Windows? Looking to get a group going.
Solo'd first deep dive and it was fun. But not as hard as expected.
Oh, and shield disruption seems a popular deep dive one too
vernal swallow
I just did my first deep dive and I'm just wondering, what's the difference between regular and elite deep dives??
obsidian gorge
@vernal swallow
haz 3 - 3.5 - 3.5 for Regular
haz 4.5 - 5 - 5.5 for Elite
merry monolith
oo is it mactera plague again? I love me seom mactera plague
triple line shot + roll control makes for some really satisfying moments
obsidian gorge
you can sleep
fiery canopy
Did deep dives reset today?
robust sedge
Said half a week left just yesterday
Couldn't see it on mobile but it's not far to scroll on desktop
spark kite
what are deep dives?
tropic flame
Deep dives are end game content in which you go through a pre-seeded set of maps to collect blank cores that allow you to provide overclocks to your dwarves.
Deep dives have difficulty of 3, 3.5, 3.5 in order.
While Elite deep dives have a difficulty of 4.5, 5, 5.5.
Deep dives will not have lost equipments or cargo crates and procedural minerals, but will still have huuli hoarders that can spawn.
warped citrus
if the next EDD has mactera plague, i'm gonna plant a C4 in the drop pod
fiery canopy
Oh
warped citrus
cause Iirc the last 4 weeks had mactera plague LOL
fiery canopy
Yep
Been around for 3 weeks but yep
So I didn't play since 2nd of October, was 2nd day of these deep dives
So I guess didn't reset yet
heavy oriole
I think reset is ~40 hours from now
hearty thistle
Hello all. Can one help me with a big problem.. I just reinstall DRG But all my progras is gone. And the last save it got is from 2018.. Which got nothing on it..I know is bug because i can't see or buy my MK5 armor. Help D:
round flare
hearty thistle
Thank you!Ā§
light magnet
is there much of a community for deep dives? I feel like there's never many games on...
whole fiber
Usually, there's a prime time on the day they first come out, and the day they're about to reset. You can always ask in LFG if anybody wants to group up for it, since it's good exp even if you've finished the DDs and EDDs for the week.
I can usually set up a DD lobby and get a team together within 15 minutes with randoms.
odd comet
Try doing it either on Thursday, Friday, or the weekend. Most people do it then
bright oracle
Where would I look to get people for the Elite Deep Dive?
deft kite
@bright oracle #lfg-steam
bright oracle
ty
zinc coral
damn theres so much nitra from this edd
mortal thorn
Hey guys, my friend has severe case of FOMO, and he wants to know, are the rewards you get in DD exclusive to DD or you can get them just playing the game? (sometimes he doesnt have time to play at all, so he fears he can miss some overclocks and cosmetics)
zinc coral
There isn't a specific overclock that you can get exclusively from DD. However, the DD and EDD gives a blank core, gun overclock, cosmetic overclock each
slate mulch
You have all the time in the world to get every OC and cosmetic core in the game, they aren't going anywhere. There are some exclusive cosmetics from past events but they aren't tied to DDs they are just for having played at the time.
mortal thorn
I know, and I told him about it
He's just afraid that if he misses some DDs, he wont be able to get the rewards (cosmetics and overclocks) anymore
Like one time reward and never again
mortal thorn
Thanks guys, he will be glad to hear it)
Btw, how often do events happen in this game? I bought it like 1,5 months ago and still havent seen any yet
But I met some dwarfs with pumpkin hats and so on
slate mulch
The last one with cosmetics attached iirc was the 2 year anniversary event back in February if I recall correctly
So it has been a while
mortal thorn
Yeah, actually its not what I wanted to hear, but devs are cool, so Im not gonna be pissed because events are so rare, the main game is super polished and gets a lot of updates, so you dont have to wait for events because devs take too long to make any new content (looking at you, Fatshark)
slate mulch
The next update will come with an assignment that unlocks a unique cosmetic on completion but I don't know if that will be an event or just a new assignment
vocal wyvern
so took 2 tries with 2 teams at the elite deep dive any tips? 2nd level crushe both teams
guner bubble shield worked wonders but ran out
zinc coral
I played as Gunner for this EDD and the shield definitely helps a lot especially on the 2nd stage. The mactera plague spawns actually wasn't hard at all for our team cuz our team always stuck together and we would pretty much wipe out the spawn pretty fast. Would've made it even easier to deal with the mactera if our engineer actually actively used his Breach Cutter though
I didn't spawn the shield everytime, mainly only when the mactera plague spawn was quite big/we were taking a bit longer than normal to clear out the wave or there were more mobs crawling on us while getting shot by the mactera spawn. Although looking back at it now, I would've used shield more because there was so much nitra u can get from this EDD.
plain pawn
Hey I got a group of five and we're trying to run a deep dive, can we get one of the pods with a cap of 5?
vocal wyvern
every team i get is random first timers and wont listen wont stick together wont gather for egg one guy went around solo trigering all spawns with eggs and got us all killed its just so bad
im not even concerned about time just want to survive and cant get a team thats patient
hollow wasp
For DD or in general? Rando's can be a gamble. Especially when not using voice chat/discord. Hop in a pod here and post an invite in #lfg-steam, you'll have a much nicer experience in general.
warped berry
so took 2 tries with 2 teams at the elite deep dive any tips? 2nd level crushe both teams
@vocal wyvern If you're having prob with mactera then engi with BC or rocket launcher with proximity trigger and flames. When you go into lobby try to go EDD with people that have decent levels.
Nitra was excessive this EDD so don't be shy with using it up
Really easy EDD this week
Think it's my first ever dd/edd where no one went down at all, with randoms too.
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thorny geyser
Really easy EDD this time. Didn't break a sweat with rando greenbeards, I hope next one is actually hard like that one lethal enemies magma core.
lilac crystal
Cue Magma Core with Shield Disruption
wraith shard
anyone doing deep dive?
flint zephyr
I swear if we get shield disruption or mactera plague again I will eat my keyboard.
cosmic niche
be sure to video tape it
wraith shard
^
warped citrus
@flint zephyr I said earlier, I'm gonna c4 the drop pod if it is mac plague again on the EDD
old basin
we'll probably just end up getting a haunted cave PE in a painfully small cave instead
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solid hornet
question.. are the modifiers fixed on a deep dive?
as in, is the first part of this week's normal dive always Shield Disruption?
limber sluice
yup, everything about deep dives is the same each time
solid hornet
fuck.
dim trellis
no
modifiers change but conspiracy theory: ppl complain the most about shield disription, mactera plague, and magma core map --- past 6 deep dives have involved all 3
disruption*
regal nymph
modifiers change but conspiracy theory: ppl complain the most about shield disription, mactera plague, and magma core map --- past 6 deep dives have involved all 3
To be clear: Modifiers are consistent throughout the week of the deep dive. They will not change until the entire deep dive changes. But the modifiers change week to week
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gleaming tinsel
flat terrace
wraith shard
flint zephyr
Time to find out whether or not to eat my keyboard.
hollow wasp
Time to find out whether or not to eat my keyboard.
There is a screenshot for the DD in #deep-dive-speedrunning, but I see Muffin Cat typing...so the I think the usual update is inbound š
flint zephyr
Normals are normals. I honestly forget what they have. I'm really only worried about the elite dives.
quiet mortar
Bit late again but...
LIVE BUILD DIVES ARE -
DEEP DIVE
Region: Glacial Strata | Code Name: Unhealthy Ideal
Stage 1: 2 Dreadnoughts + 150 Morkite | Haunted Cave
Stage 2: 2 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 2 Eggs | Regenerative Bugs
ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Crystalline Caverns | Code Name: Darkest Hole
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + š” 1 Black Box | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 2: 200 Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators!
Stage 3: 4 Eggs + 1 Dreadnought | Parasites
hollow wasp
We can't all be elite š And I couldn't remember if your dare was for the DD or EDD...
flint zephyr
I never specified which. But all my complaints about mactera plague/shield disruption was always towards EDD.
quiet mortar
Do you have a Screenshot of the Stages?
quiet mortar
The Mutators seems kinda nice this week lol
tropic flame
Yep
wraith shard
Weird bug. No blank core or cosmetic item for me
flint zephyr
Nice mutators. Love crystal caverns. Most of all I'm glad I don't have to torture my digestive tract this week.
wraith shard
This weeks was super easy tho. Wish these things were harder lol. The final stage is in a tiny ass cave with no negative mod. Way too simple
Gotta be some new bug people maybe hold off before attempting this week. I only got 1 reward for EDD and it says the regular and Elite DDs are both already rewarded everything. The 'new dives' timer is also counting upward as a negative number
median siren
What is the black box in the elite deep dive?
Never done it before
What do we need to do? Is it hard?
flint zephyr
Black Boxes function just like the comm/fuel supply sections during a mule mission, however you need to do it only once, and leaving the zone too long will not fail the mission, but rather reset it.
flint zephyr
Exactly.
random lagoon
ye agree this EDD was missing large caves
even the morkite mission felt small
only trouble was the dreadnought but thats if a detonator spawns
flat terrace
EDD is bugged ?
the HUD after finishing stage 1 doesnt show what's happening in stage 2 and 3 respectively
and i got weapon overclock mod for stage 1 instead of the usual blank core
is it just me
wraith shard
That happened to me pew pew
I reset my game and it says I have no progress done on it, even tho I finished it. Hopefully when I redo it I get my 2 other cores
@flat terrace
flat terrace
oh man, so i have to redo EDD and DD ? @wraith shard
wraith shard
Possible? This is the first I've had a bug like this. And I'm yet to retry the EDD. I also haven't done the regular DD yet this week. Did it happen to you for both?
@flat terrace
flat terrace
I tried restarting as per advice
and another grey beard mentioned it
now my EDD and DD are showing correct maps after restarting
initially it was same conditions but different zones lol
wraith shard
Yea same, only after EDD victory tho
Ima wait til tomorrow to retry see if sometbings fixed
tulip sequoia
fervent kite
Does anyone happen to know what promotion level or level you should be to do a EDD? Just wondering what would help me out.
obsidian gorge
@fervent kite that helps ?
haz 3 - 3.5 - 3.5 for Regular
haz 4.5 - 5 - 5.5 for Elite
limber sluice
Gear wise it's good to have a good overclock on your primary, obviously all slots on all gear having an upgrade. You also need to understand enemy spawn patterns for each mission type. Definitely have 3 leveled perks and 2 leveled active perks.
cosmic niche
spawn patterns as in knowing when spawns show up? Like mining being time-based, egg hunt having a chance to spawn?
limber sluice
Yeah exactly. They dictate the pace of the mission. Taking it slow is good on eggs e.g. but really bad on mining and PE
near swift
just had a scout spawn in with us in the deep dive
immediately run out of spawn leaving behind two platforms underneath big ore veins
get killed by a cave leech
complain
then when someone else got caught by a cave leech trying to save him
he quit
cosmic niche
I learned the point extraction lesson the hard way, our poor engineer was kiting for 30+ minutes staying alive trying to get us all back up
Sounds rough for all parties invilved
limber sluice
Yeah I think for them the swarms come more often as the mission goes on so if they go late you cant stabilize.
cosmic niche
pretty much, it was at a point where everytime a new swarm would come in, a big chunk would despawn
raw jacinth
that story makes me happy that I have friends to play with
near swift
ough
that EDD was
a lot easier than the last couple lmfao
i was pleased to not be confronted with mactera plague for the 800th time
near swift
they do a shit ton of damage, but there's something even worse
mactera are priority targets and they just don't exist along the same space that all other enemies do
so while you're blasting at mactera in the sky you are not focusing on the swarms of glyphids coming at you like a freight train
or maybe the q'ronar shellback that's about to roll into your entire party and shout "STEEEEE-RIKE!"
limber sluice
They're kinda similar to spitters in that way. I just hate the way they juke
next garden
Always bring cryo and senses to m. plague
raw jacinth
I find the air grabbers the least of my problems
its audio makes it easy to track and determine what its up to
compared to most enemies
near swift
yeah the air grabbers aren't a huge issue
the grabbers are all or nothing
either they do absolutely nothing to a well-organized party, or one slip up and a grabber causes a total party wipe
i've had a grabber spirit someone away in the middle of a brutal swarm and then drop them off a cliff and we lost because he was just Out of the fight after that
but most of the time they just fly up, get shot, fly off
median siren
Anyone has tips against the haunting oppressor?
The ghost that follows you in stage one
obsidian gorge
it is "Unknown Horror" , and its model is based on the Bulk Detonator
other than knowing it is the black spot on the terrain scanner, I guess you just have to guide it far away enough if you need to focus somewhere
azure spoke
Do yo uhave to have haz 5 unlocked to do EDD?
I've been considereing trying EDD this week, but I still haven't pushed myself past Haz4, and still struggle with that on some classes
obsidian gorge
@azure spoke you have to finish DD once to access EDD
devout kestrel
oh wow no mactera this time
azure spoke
might try it tonight then
near swift
for the most part, the way to deal with the unknown horror is to just try and work around it. be smart, pay attention to who it's following and coordinate to have your team move it away, and keep an eye out
it doesn't deal nearly as much damage as a bulk so you won't be punished TOO severely for getting near it but it's a bad idea
it'll probably chunk half your health instead of all of it
worldly vigil
Do deep dives vary wildly in difficulty? I've been mostly unsuccessful in my few efforts.
fringe kettle
normal is roughly 3-3.5 with the elite being somewhere between 4.5-5.5 depending on the level layout and hazards.
vague elbow
A bad cave layout for your class/group composition can multiply the difficulty
But if you handle haz 3 regularly you should be alright
granite rampart
Is the autocannon better than the minigun for Gunner or is each gun a situational kinda use?
fringe kettle
AC for swarms, minigun for single target damage. Some OCs blur that line a bit.
dense spear
Yeah the Big Bertha mod for AC absolutely shreds dreads/oppressors
IF you can land consistent soft spot hits
does everyone get the bulk deto during the black box in EDD? or am I just that unlucky tonight?
quaint lily
How do i rejoin a deep dive?
got dc'd and i was wondering if there was a prompt or something that lets you rejoin
tawdry lodge
Did anyone else have a nitra shortage during the normal deep dive?
Always felt like we barely had enough for one drop at a given moment
wraith shard
Can we get harder EDDs with maybe some stronger rewards over regular DD? I'm rather new and haven't had much issue with these things. Kinda disappointing there's no challenge to strive toward where proper OC / top level perks are needed.
gloomy herald
I had a team full of just promoted noobs for this weeks edd and we had no problems
worthy crag
Funny, I was doing this weeks EDD and we couldn't get past the first stage
But two weeks ago on the dumb shield disruption into mactera plague (my first EDD) I did it as a duo successfully (also my partner's first EDD)
dim trellis
noice
my first edd was back in august with the stage 3 kill 2 dreadnoughts
tried it like 8 times, nope
flint zephyr
Dreadnoughts and aquarq are probably the worst for stage 3.
visual lake
@dense spear we got 2 bulks but during regular wave/egg wave. Nothing during BB . Overall rather easy just watch your positioning when pulling the eggs
Some rooms are terrible though just donāt get bogged down fighting there
For the dread just fight it all the way at the bottom
I think stage 3 macta plague aquaros+Egg is the worst
The aquaros spawn rate increase ends up being ridiculous
And you get a wave every 90s towards the end lol
flint zephyr
Elite dive aquarq missions on stage 3 are a lot worse. You have basically no room to breathe. By the time you kill the current spawn group, another one has already crawled up.
visual lake
Thereās also the bonus wave on EDD3 final obj completion
zinc coral
is there pretty much a nanocyte breeder in every stage of either DD/EDD?
tough zodiac
should i do the normal deep dive with scout?
vocal wyvern
Going to try the EDD tomorrow anyone got any advice for Engineer or Gunner load outs? Could also play a decent Driller
zinc coral
does morkite transfer from one stage to another
next pebble
no
vocal wyvern
Gold and nitra carry over weather deposited or in your inventory. Dont know about anything else
vast crag
i'm curious
are overclocks randomized?
or are they fixed?
like am i gonna get a weird overclock
frail vortex
@vast crag There's a fixed amount of OCs each with specific stats, but you get them randomly
regal nymph
Not Diablo/PoE style where you have to farm perfect overclocks.
Any overclock X has the exact same stats as any other overclock X
vast crag
ohhhh
was hoping you could get random stats
i finished my first elite
played with these koreans. only one dude could speak English but since we're dwarves. we all spoke Rock n Stone
they used bunkering a lot. i know it's a cheesy tactic but the reason why i failed in other deep dives was because no one wanted to bunker
vast crag
there were moments when Macteras would have us for lunch
LOL HAHAHA
unfortunately beign a Dvamain only means she controls your mech or your gun. not your language hahaha
but yeah, bunkering is cheesy but it can get tricky so I don't see why it's so bad hahaha
regal nymph
I'm a hammy guy myself. Though DRG has taken all my times lately. Can't get enough of it lol
vast crag
i still play Overwatch when i wanna hehe but i forgot that you need to promote a miner to be able to use them in Deep Dive
Dva can take a break hahaha
regal nymph
I think bunkering can be a valid strat, just needs to be done correctly and accounting for the risks.. Obvious risk is a bulk. Mitigation might be a scout to lure it away or an engi with stubby to slow it down to buy time. Or even knowing when it's a bad idea. Like if rolly pollies are spawning, you probably don't want to bunker
regal nymph
I'm a big fan of a platform roof. Doesn't restrict mobility at all, but blocks spitters and mactera
vast crag
though it really worked cauase we had 2 gunners
i'm wondering, how hard are lethal maps?
distant trail
im bastion main soo
vast crag
petition Bastion DLC for Deep Rock
distant trail
lol at least bastion is cute xD
it couuuldbe fitting bosco and mule. mule aint cute but okay 
vast crag
or a 5th member hehehe
median siren
Hey any fo you have tips agains the ghost?
In the first stage, there is haunted cave and itās hard if youāre alone
Any way to kill him or lose him?
visual lake
@vast crag learn to not bunker/roof as youāll need it when the escort missions hit
Right now ommoran destroys all plats in AOE
Also defending drill while moving means you will have no cover
vast crag
@vast crag learn to not bunker/roof as youāll need it when the escort missions hit
@visual lake
Iike using bunker for dealing with swarms
visual lake
Yeah thatās not gonna work cus they will target drill and then you will fail
vast crag
Then don't use bunker in escort missions
visual lake
Yes but itās a crutch that will just hurt later
Thereās other ways to ābunkerā without actually bunkering
I.e trenches or platform funnels
visual lake
Itās not risk free and is actually more dangerous in an uncoordinated group
Like this week we got 5 bulks during our run
Then if the bunker group isnāt aware it gets troublesome
And you run a bigger risk of failing if the bulk explodes ontop of the uplink or BB
That and you are hosed on ghost missions
Rng has been kind as we havenāt gotten an EDD ghost in a while
wraith shard
anyone wanna elite deep dive?
heavy oriole
Donāt bunker EDDs. Dig little escape tunnels, but bunkering is a trap.
Let me rephrase that;
Do not seal yourself and your allies into a hole in which to funnel enemies.
But yes, manipulate the terrain and use platforms to make a decent defendable area,
I think the term āBunkeringā can be a bit broad, and sometimes pools in very valid defensive positioning/terraforming
dense spear
time to try the EDD one last time for that final reward
cosmic niche
As a driller, bunkers sound like a decent time, but in practice I have yet to get it to work fully, even with backdoor
smoky thorn
random question. I lost connection on the last stage of the deep dive. Will I have to complete the first 2 stages again before re-attempting the 3rd?
next pebble
Yes
smoky thorn
Alright, Thank you š
mental thunder
As a driller, bunkers sound like a decent time, but in practice I have yet to get it to work fully, even with backdoor
@cosmic niche same lmao
frozen thicket
I dont know why, but when I play driller I have the curse of cave leech during a swarm
vague elbow
I think the term āBunkeringā can be a bit broad, and sometimes pools in very valid defensive positioning/terraforming
The distinctions do get glossed over a lot. The objective + supply drop + completely sealed in hole is the bunkeriest bunker. A flat floor and ceiling with two walls and two open sides I think someone described as a hanger, and works great without trapping you
dim trellis
1 long hallway to the outside
2 supply drops*
seal in the hole, with the objective, (then seal the 2 holes each supply drop, made)
engi mines on the hallway
make escape tunnel if and only if,
you see a bulk
when Misson Control puts another out of the way black box defense on EDD/ etc, hope this helps y'all who are open-minded to bunkering (especially if it's your umpteenth time trying the dive.. LOL
vital raptor
When are they not unexpected?
thorny geyser
when you can hear the HSSSSSSS and try to dash behind a stalagmite
but cant quite make it
nova quarry
I had a Black Box Spawn in a cave near the Drop Pod on the DD
So I just sealed up a huge hole in the wall, and used the tunnel as an impromptu Bunker. The Fuel Lines landed inside the same cave.
robust sedge
new dives yet?
proud fulcrum
deep dives are reset every thursday at 1pm bst
short charm
I mean, on the topic of bunkers... Line of sight is king. If youƤre stuck in a hole, classe like the engi and Scout cant do more than just sit there and toss a grenade once in a while. In a big open space, that is lit up by the Scout, you can kill stuff from a great distance, removing most of the hrode before it gets to the group down at the uplink.
Personally, when drillers make a bunker, I decline the offer and tell them Ill stay up on the surface and kite things until the uplink is done.
If Im an engineer Ill do the same. Because my fat dong does not fit in tight tunnels. Huehue. Seriously tho, I prefer to fight out in the open. As soon as a horde spawns on a wall nearby, I will fire a fat boy right at it and eliminate the threat immediately. So imo, bunkers are not needed at all.
limber sluice
Agree they're more risk than they're worth and cost a ton of drill fuel. Finding just a good spot to fight a swarm or just clearing out the obstacles around the box is much faster and more successful than bunkering in my experience
frozen thicket
I disagree with this opinion but i respect the opinion. Bunkers are very useful if you have an experienced gunner (or any other class, but 60% goes to gunner) the gunner can throw a shield or cluster grenade to eliminate/stop the swarm, and if the uplink did a stupid and is down from the droppod, the zip line can help a lot, because you can shoot most of the enemies going up (or down, if you wanna shoot them instead of escape) I agree with bunkers arent needed some times, because if you get a detonator, crassus or bulk, your fucked. The only way your getting out of that situation, is to 1: Make sure there ARE NO EXPLODERS, 2: Make sure that there are no holes: Once they get through, oh boy. 3: Please, and I say PLEASE make sure your driller has rock carver. It opens alot more space, and doesnt require (as much) resources.
while it may be more I dont give a care, im lazy than lets actually play the game Im just trying to get past this damn cave leech cluster and shield disruption morkite and egg mission, please
Another great strategy is to have somebody (most likely the scout,) have see you in hell and be on top, so when the team wants to get out they can use see you in hell and clear most of it
frank shuttle
all about set up really. That and situational awareness.
either method can lead to failure
azure spoke
A good cryo will make most bulks a non-issue. Guner with mini + driller with cryo, + engi with breach cutter makes bunker tunnel a good kill zone. I'm not sure where that leaves the scout.
not that I favor bunkers, but I have had some decent experiences with them.
also I think it is unfair to say that bunkering is a matter of not actually playing the game. If it's effective enough that it's considered boring and a bypass of the risk, then it is simply an effective strategy. if it is ineffective, well, then it is a matter of misinformation and either timidity or lower skill level of players.
slate mulch
I'd usually say the scout should be outside the bunker hitting praetorian/oppressor weak points from outside and kiting some enemies to take some of the load off the bunker
Plus that way if you get caught off guard by a bulk or something like that, you have someone not getting nuked
frozen thicket
Going off this idea, ^ the scout can just grapple around and kill most problems for the team that isnt guards grunts or swarmers
azure spoke
I can't say how often as a gunner or scout I have really wished I had an effective driller/engie taking out swarmers with fire and turrets
as driller, I usually consider the little shits my top combat priority
as engie, I just put up my turrets and try not to die. maybe shooting some flyers if I have time.
toss a hologram to give hte littel shits something to focus on besides my, ahem, "precious minerals."
visual lake
@azure spoke nothing is more frustrating as cryo than is freezing the bulk and everyone else is too busy panicing to shoot it
worthy crag
or telling people to wait so you can freeze that bulk when it's on that last quarter of it's health and they just kill it anyway
heavy oriole
Frozen bulks exploding is the best
They launch you, but you donāt get hurt. Which is weird because I donāt think bulks exploding normally launch people
abstract pulsar
Iāve had great success bunkering with flame driller, but ya one bulk and wipe. Considering I went through a mission with 4 bulks and five oppressors in 30 min imma have to pass on bunkers
cosmic niche
I have yet to effectively freeze a bulk before it explodes, I'm either too early or too late ;o;
tawny trench
abstract pulsar
First annual hoxxes dwarf chucking. I can see it being a modifier
vital raptor
Oh yeah, canāt wait to see some dwarves fly
Wait, theoretically this would be more of a red mutator, so you might also get low gravity, now that would be awesome
abstract pulsar
Low grav would be great for dwarfs but for the mactara and corpses not so much, Xbox would be sol as soon as the first grenade left the tube
shut sierra
after beating the first stage too
fallen sage
So is their any way to defeat the phantoms? or do we just have to run like hell because you can't kill it???
next pebble
Just run
heavy oriole
I thought the EDD was a DD the whole time, so I kept doing stupid shit like FF and mining stuff solely with my guns...By stage 3, I legit thought maybe our kits/builds were terrible or something since we went down a few times. Then I checked and just realized it was an EDD.
thorny geyser
@fallen sage if the ghost aggroes you, draw it away from rest of the team
brave shuttle
If you are level 50ish and play haz4 is edd too hard?
Asking for a friend. I myself do it weekly but my friend is afraid to try
fringe kettle
Difficulty ranges from haz 4.5-5.5 depending on the terrain, mutators, and objectives.
It may be too much, it may not.
obsidian gorge
I know the difficulty can be affected by many factors, but the hazard is fixed
brave shuttle
I think this weeks EDD looks easier than typically so I though its good time to get my friend to try it out
(no mactera plague)
so i was hoping this week its haz 4-4.5
fringe kettle
obsidian gorge
enemy damage, enemy speed, enemy HP, projectile speed,
thorny geyser
@brave shuttle if you get through initial hell of leech grabs, detonators and pretty aggressive spawns, this week's EDD should be doable at those levels
slate mulch
Regular deep dive was a little annoying but the ghost doesn't do that much damage on haz 3 honestly
EDD was fairly tame, much appreciated after all those mactera plagues
The dreadnought in stage 3 for some reason decided to not really attack me much, even though I was dancing around it in close range š¤
timber whale
^
pure ravine
For elite deep dive, there should be two negative multipliers
Parasite and explosive guts 
visual lake
@pure ravine that would be crazy watch you get noshield macta plague or haunted + exploder infestation on magma core with 2x dreads lol
or haunted + noshield on salvage
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heavy oriole
Explosive guts is a positive mod
slate mulch
Oh yeah. Doesn't feel like it sometimes
pure ravine
lethal + no air 
vague elbow
Haunted + Low O2
azure spoke
I'm terrible at low o2
I played a point extraction tonight on low O2, and completely forgot it was low O2.
Jumped out and started looking for aquarqs to mine. had no clue wherehte minehead was
died a few times, but we made it inthe end
visual lake
im surprised they dont make an underwater biome
with low O2 + modified low G to zero G
azure spoke
underwater might be hard to properly balance for the classes. Seems like a dramatically different experience to the other biomes. Still, i'd like to see it.
cosmic niche
they can't do anything water with their current set up last I checked
azure spoke
Sounds about right. Doesn't seem like the game has water physics established.
be kinda weird to do with the fully destructible environment, I think.
I'm sure there are ways to work it though.
cosmic niche
totally would be whack, I think it's something with the netcode that prevents it as well. Probably have to completely change how things work
thorny geyser
Subnautica meets Deep Rock Galactic, I'd love that stuff but seems unlikely
heavy oriole
I hate underwater.
Also, fire based weapons and bullets wonāt make sense.
thorny geyser
like, made of fire or incendiary weapons in general?
incendiary weapons make a lot of sense when torching 2 ton space spiders
paper swallow
Incendiary weapons in general are good against organic matter.
flint zephyr
Imagine using the cryo gun underwater to freeze a barrier in place and block all spiders from coming towards you in survival missions.
heavy oriole
no, @thorny geyser @paper swallow , I was referring to fire and bullets being used underwater XD
paper swallow
Oh, the devs have stated for a long time no underwater levels.
The engine would have to be redesigned...
Although, if a DRG2 ever comes around? š¤
That is if once this is done, another separate project isnāt started.
fringe kettle
just a limitation of how everything is implemented. Although as Jacob has suggested; if you want underwater just do low O2 with low gravity and turn up the blue filter on your monitor.
I do know the dev team has said they plan to continue supporting DRG as long as it's financially viable.
obsidian gorge
it is on the steam posts
fringe kettle
Personally I hope for their next project it's built with mods in mind from day 1.
scenic lantern
Let's do a deep dive!!!!
who is down?
found one
anyone wanna join a deep dive?
quiet tulip
Had a full team on the fuel rods in stage two. A detonator spawned and we were all shooting it trying to prevent it from reach the fuel rods. Suddenly everyone fell dead at once. Another detonator had spawned right behind us and one-shot everyone with one attack. What were we supposed to do to prevent this situation?
hollow wasp
Not everyone staying with the uplink/fuel cell. Have someone lure it away...preferably so that the others can still shoot it.
minor meadow
Also, always watch your back
median siren
It happened to me to
We were in a duo engi/driller
I died from the slam and iron willed to breach cutter the crap out of it then Rez my dead friend
hollow wasp
The last couple of solo salvage missions spawned a bulk on me as well during the uplink/fuel phase. Key is noticing it in time and having a visual so you can bring it down in time or down far enough so that briefly exiting the sphere to hide from the blast doesn't fail the mission.
median siren
I think that Iāll tell my driller to pick the flamethrower to defend our bunker under the fuel cells while I am distracting the bulk
hollow wasp
And don't bunker š
median siren
Nah bunker is the key when duo engi/driller
Iāll breach cutter the bulk the itās ez
heavy oriole
@median siren
Bunkering is a pretty frowned upon strategy in general. Not because itās good.
silver summit
is bunkering a valid strategy at all? people said that was the go-to before bulks apparently
every time i try any bunker i get clapped by bulks and oppressors lol
obsidian gorge
as far as I know not doing it results in a better time, without much rng needed, if anything making a bunker work is so complex that it should be easier to not do it
heavy oriole
Bunkering is a valid way to make absolute garbage defendable terrain into bad defendable terrain
Itās like bringing your terrain from a grade F to a D. Or bringing your terrain from a grade A B C to a D.
@silver summit
silver summit
I see, so I guess use it when the terrain is really really bad lol
heavy oriole
Totally
Perfect example would be when an objective for black box or salvage falls into a glacial or magma core crevasse
obsidian gorge
wouldn't it be easier to modify the terrain without going into a corner, might need pictures for examples
heavy oriole
It might be easier, both options are better than a crevasse
Also, using too much C4 to make bunkers is blegh. C4 is a great way to kill stuff, but it also makes lava surfaces on magma core, so not ideal
Can always drill out the surfaces tho
But thatās a lot of resources
/time
tropic shadow
i m looking for a group
winged shuttle
sorry guys
dont mean to be abrupt
i mean
this is a pretty DEEP chatroom
haha
ha
ha...
lilac jungle
cue the crickets
hollow wasp
@tropic shadow #lfg-steam
nocturne elm
somone want to make edd ?
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wraith shard
Good for you
light magnet
looking for a group for a dive
wraith shard
@light magnet elite?
ancient beacon
are the new deep dives out?
obsidian gorge
only 9 hours passed, not 24
cosmic niche
Think they're out tomorrow
ancient beacon
Oh, didn't notice it's past midnight
The discord timestamp said "yesterday 3 pm"
which was "today 3pm" just seven minutes ago š
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wanton remnant
anybody wanna do the dd with me i'm in pod 11
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thorny geyser
Oh holy diver
hollow wasp
You've been down too long in the midnight Hoxxes
warped citrus
pls no mactera swarm on the EDD
we need a long break after the 4 weeks of hell in a row it was in lmaoo
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quiet mortar
LIVE BUILD DIVES ARE -
DEEP DIVE
Region: Salt Pits | Code Name: Driller's Grotto
Stage 1: 4 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators!
Stage 2: 7 Aquarqs + 150 Morkite | Low Oxygen
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + 2 Eggs | Lethal Enemies
ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Magma Core | Code Name: Sunken Ground
Stage 1: 6 Eggs + 2 M.U.L.E.s | Mactera Plague
Stage 2: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 1 Dreadnought | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3: 250 Morkite + 2 M.U.L.E.s | No Mutators!
Thanks to Silaise for the Dive Info! 
wispy karma
hey i just unlocked deep dives, how do they work?
lilac crystal
@wispy karma
Deep Dives consist of three missions, each with two primary objectives you have to complete. There are no crafting minerals, only gold + nitra + red sugar. Nitra you mine stays the same between each mission so you have to plot each ammo drop fairly carefully. Also, the maps are always the same (though waves you get might be different between tries).
The big reason to do them is you always get 1 blank Matrix Core, 1 cosmetic, and 1 weapon core per mission. This means you can get 2 of each by doing both the Deep Dive and Elite Deep Dive (DDs are basically Haz 3 / 3.5 / 4 while EDDs are Haz 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 IIRC)
Oh, and you can only do a Deep Dive mission of either type with a promoted dwarf only.
wispy karma
Nitra you mine stays the same between each mission
what about stuff like ammo and grenades?
flat terrace
anyone keep getting game error in stage 2 of EDD?
the first run i went, we fell off the droppod, hence losing the round
second run, the transmittor fail to detect us even though we are standing inside
wispy karma
it just works
ripe hound
what about stuff like ammo and grenades?
@wispy karma The ammo and grenades you have stay between the mission/stages as well (i.e. they are not refilled)
wispy karma
so its like a giant game of attrition
ripe hound
Boscos revives (when playing solo) are refilled however
heavy oriole
Not really a game of attrition, usually you have more than enough on the last stage
vivid sequoia
hi
wispy karma
how tcome i cant join any deep dives? all of them are grayed out for me
lilac crystal
You cannot late-join a deep dive
wispy karma
what does that mean?
wispy karma
oh
lilac crystal
And yeah, perk abilities are refreshed between levels
Like insta-revive or iron will
but ammo / nades / tool is the same, so you gotta watch how much you spend
Just, y'know, don't panic because of that?
Honestly, regular Deep Dives are a breeze if you're even moderately okay with Haz 3
sacred fiber
i hate this week EDD with a passion
mactera just spawn everywhere and one shot your revived teammates
flat terrace
i had a double bulk detonator at the last cave in stage 3 of EDD
silver summit
magma? mactera plague? cave leeches? my favourite š
vague elbow
Easier than last week?
Given there's no haunted cave, yes
silver summit
low oxygen for regular DD sounds like doing it solo might be easier
I once tried a low O2 and everyone died when they ran off all in different directions š¤¦āāļø
ancient beacon
DD is trivial this week, EDD is good ol' magma core and mactera plague
if you score a mactera wave during an earthquake, gg š
ancient beacon
driller with flamethrower is good vs mactera
silver summit
i end up camping behind a wall or something to bait them lol
ancient beacon
drill a tunnel and dive into it
mactera ball up
kill entire wave with about 30 flamethrower ammo
if you are in a tunnel when the mactera wave spawns, it actually spawns balled up
ancient beacon
yes, the spitters clip into each other and get clustered almost into a single ball
and since both of driller's main weapons penetrate, you can hit them all at once
mactera are terrible at tunnels since they can't dodge in them
silver summit
good points, TIL they spawn together
sour storm
How annoying is this weeks EDD? I'm at work for a few more hours.
ancient beacon
the only downside is that the bombers can get literally in your face
like they clip inside your model and only then start attacking
and they are huge so you can't see shit
sacred fiber
This week EDD maps are just awful
Almost impossible to pay attention to the magma grounds with annoying gaps to fall while also fighting swarms of macteras that literally spawn on top of your head
My team only gotten through the second stage by ordering 7 supply pod
old basin
stage 1 is fine imo
but stage 2 is probably one of the worst salvage stages in a long while
absolutely massive, 3 menaces right off the bat & 2 breeders
with the cave leeches completely stopping a scout zipping around the cave in order to 1 shot the breeders with cryo's
sacred fiber
Yeah stage 2 was nightmare and we were completely crippled economically (nitra) and mentally by stage 3
wraith shard
EDD was ez as pie. All these comments just sound like good ol fashioned difficulty forcing people to play as a team to me...
near swift
why on earth would you need player level 100 for normal deep dive
EDD i get i guess maybe but for normal deep dives? normal deep dives aren't even hard
wispy karma
you can never be too sure
tropic flame
Its just a server name
wispy karma
how do you name servers btw
wispy karma
thanks
eternal isle
No shield disruption I like
near swift
just joined a lobby for the DD in which i was instakilling every enemy
why do cheaters exist
like what on earth is the point in cheating in a pve game
azure spoke
people are weird, that's for sure
azure spoke
Had a good run on Deep Dive today. Elite we did fine on the first stage, but the second stage we died to the swarm in the big room.
I'd like to blame my internet for a bit of the problem, but positioning was also part of it. I think we just got a little ahead of ourselves and didn't have a great plan of attack or a good fallback point.
Probably what we should have done is step into the room to trigger all the enemies to chase us, then run back tothe previous room where we knew there weren't any cave leechs and where we could funnel the enemies better
vapid monolith
Edd was nasty this week, took three attempts solo
So many barrel caverns to platform up and down, not to mention stage twoās room of doom
Lastly, is it just me or did management forgot to put an exploder infestation tag on stage three?
visual lake
Itās magma core thereās always exploder infestation by default!
pseudo plume
oh sweet christ the elite is magma core
near swift
horrible first attempt at EDD
decent enough team but the gunner fucking disconnected halfway through stage 2
and we were slaughtered during the escape attempt
flint zephyr
Oh hey! Mactera plague! Fuck, well I'm a man of my word so I must keep my promise and eat my keyboard.
fringe kettle
~~coat the keys in egg yoke, dip in seasoned flour, then deep fry to maximum crunchiness ~~
||Don't actually eat a keyboard||
wraith shard
i will sing muslim songs
warped citrus
LOL